Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) (2023-2024)

[twilit siren]

Strongly agree, in most countries you can find people truly passionate about their field from olys. People that do olys for extended period of time only stay because they truly enjoy it and most people join before even thinking about colleges in most countries.

Whereas in other activities outside of olys, it is actually more blatant that someone is only doing it purely for college. They stopped doing it in college.

[fierce gust]

but academic rigour is just a threshold lmao like a shitton of people can cope up w mit's rigour

and i didn't specify mit when i wrote that but it's obviously very clear (for other colledes esp) that there are diversity admits.

[granite terrace]

if they can handle the rigor they are qualified 💀

after a school deems u can be successful there and have academic curiosity, its then up to you to have a great personality and story/passion that they want in their class

[strong torrent]

i have a friend (co'23) with multiple research papers published, got into multiple ivies and choose mit. she's almost done with her first semester and she is STRUGGLING so hard because of how hard the classes are. mit is mit.

if you mean diversity admits in the sense that some people got in with a profile that is insane for their circumstances and resources but would seem "lesser" without their context, then yeah those exist but they are admitted with the belief that if they could do so much with a lack of resources, they could do so much more without that lack. however there are no "diversity" admits in the sense that people are taken in just for the sake of a quota

[fierce gust]

country quota for internationals exists

[strong torrent]

on second thought this discussion is toeing the line of AA so let's end this here

[fierce gust]

publishing papers doesn't generally translate to handling hard courses

and if we're doing anecdata then someone with an IMO gold(which is like an upper bound) from my country can definitely do anything thrown at him but he got rejected so..

[strong torrent]

they had a 1590 sat and took max APs and was valedictorian

[fierce gust]

again traditional high-school valedictorian and high SAT doesn't really directly correlate to doing well in hard problem-solving heavy courses

high-school classes and APs aren't hard at all (in the college sense)

if you can take too many courses it's just an indicator of your work-ethic

[strong torrent]

those are typically the hardest classes a high schooler can take

college in general is difficult and mit has some of the toughest courses

my point is if you're admitted to mit, it's because they believe you can handle that

not saying that people who don't get in can't tho

[fierce gust]

and they can be wrong because people do fail there

[strong torrent]

not disagreeing with that

[granite terrace]

at the end of the day, people get admitted because they have the characteristics that the college wants including being able to handle their courses

[fierce gust]

and i didn't intend to argue about mit in the first place because i've always believed mit is as meritocratic as it gets in the US app game.

[candid wave]

it kinda does tho thats why theyve done extensive studies on it and have an established procedure for evaluating academic preparedness

correlation isn't causation but the same qualities that make someone successful in hs/at the say are the qualities that would help them in classes like that even if they haven't had prior exposure

at the sat*

[grave token]

not for academic reasons

fwiw

MIT has one of the highest graduation rates in the country and the students who have to leave are predominantly someone where something unexpected/unanticipated happens in their life

levitating like the yogi from infinite jest why does everyone presume "diversity" and "merit" are set against a tradeoff

@fierce gust i'm sorry you're hitting a wall. the american admissions system sucks hard for intls

[cedar hornet]

because the connotation for a "diversity admit" is generally someone who only got in because of their "diversity" over those who are more qualified

its generally not the case but thats what ive seen the most

[grave token]

ya and what i am saying is that this is the wrong way to think about it

https://mitadmissions.org/blogs/entry/diversity-or-merit/

[cedar hornet]

i agree thats just a kind of common sentiment lol

especially with asian communities

[grave token]

oh yes i know

i have been battling this for 14 years

(that post is from 2011)

so i just use every chance i can get to try to hammer it back into the earth for a new audience

my second year in the office i just decided to blog against every misconception i found on collegeconfidential and that produced applying sideways, diversity or merit, and https://mitadmissions.org/blogs/entry/the-difficulty-with-data/

[cedar hornet]

its very hard to hammer in any alternative view of college admissions i.e applying sideways becuase people are more likely to trust what they see firsthand

someone might see a very accomplished asian applicant get rejected and a less accomplished hispanic applicant and get in and correlate that asian = hard to get into mit and other race = easier to get into mit

the same with applying sideways: if kids who actually pursue their passions get rejected while some other kid who had a consultant just very carefully crafted/fabricated a profile and got in, that person is going to think that applying sideways doesnt actually help

no amount of blog posts is actually going to convince someone whose seen a different reality themselves because people tend to be naturally skeptical of things that arent themselves

[grave token]

skill issue

[grave token]

that’s because they still have the wrong mindset

applying sideways isn’t a rule for getting into MIT

it’s a way to not be sad

it’s a way to accept the things you have no control over and live the best life within what you can control

it is the monk who climbs to the top of the mountain and asks the Buddha the secret of immortality

[cedar hornet]

if applying sideways is do what u love then whats appying forwards and applying backwards

[grave token]

applying forwards is with some sort of fixated and impossible overconfidence on a narrow goal

applying backwards is idk man I was shitposting poetically

[cedar hornet]

LMAO

[cedar hornet]

applying backwards is actively sabotaging urself for admissions

yyou commit as many felonies as possible

to make sure you are an auto reject

[grave token]

applying backwards is like when you do stuff that seems actively counterproductive but it helps you anyway through some way you coupd@have never predicted

that’s how I got my job at MIT admissions more or less now that I think of it

god’s most fortunate clown

[cedar hornet]

isnt that just applying sideways to an extent

u play yugioh all day

and somehow u become really good at it

and make a shit ton of money

oh yeah

how much money would i need to wire into an AO's bank account to get in ut hink

like 50m?

[granite terrace]

one ao doesnt make the final decision alone

so you'd need to send every ao the same amount

[cedar hornet]

ohhh damn

[granite terrace]

and have them all agree to take it

which is unlikely

[cedar hornet]

dang

[pastel marsh]

Damn this is such a great article

[jade wyvern]

🎉🎉

[candid wave]

💀

[strong torrent]

😍😍😍😍

[raven heron]

OMG THAT'S A LIKELY LETTER

[unique vortex]

what if u get into harvard

[grave token]

to be honest we should have these

[cedar hornet]

how many red flags would have to be on my application to recieve a letter of disinterest

im tryna be the first one

world record holder

[gleaming solstice]

that's a thing??

[cedar hornet]

imma make it one.

[gleaming solstice]

ok lol

[river sky]

if you think about it mit is the ut dallas of cambridge, ma

[junior heath]

what

[river sky]

Upon embarking on a reflective journey of introspection, one would inevitably arrive at the realization that the Massachusetts Institute of Technology stands as an imposing and meticulously constructed analogue to the University of Texas in Dallas, albeit distinguished by its geographical location nestled within the bustling confines of Cambridge, ensconced within the historic and intellectually vibrant state of Massachusetts, rather than being situated within the urban sprawl of Richardson, situated within the expansive state of Texas.

[junior heath]

😭

[spare rune]

i did not know people hated schools because of its prestige

very strange

[unique vortex]

are mit interviews selective for intls (europe) @grave token

[raven heron]

naurrrr 💀

bro did not just ping the ao 💀

[candid wave]

fr lmfao

[strong torrent]

💀 💀 💀

also? mit rd results are literally out? what is bro trying to achieve

[stray lark]

could be for next year

[gusty siren]

did that take down that mit 2028 acc by the igotin thing 💀

[ionic spindle]

lmfao

[inland flicker]

MIT did not accept me but I will be across the river

[gusty siren]

You can still take classes at MIT so honestly still a w 🫡

[ionic spindle]

There isn't a river between harvard and MIT?

[inland flicker]

Hmmm

I thought Harvard was across the Charles River

could bew rong tho

I've never been

[ionic spindle]

nah they are both in Cambridge

across the river from the other boston colleges but not eachother

MIT and Harvard are like 10-20min walk from eachother

[inland flicker]

oh cool

welp at least I will get to pretend like I'm going to MIT

[ionic spindle]

bro you're going to harvard

no reason to pretend to go to MIT

[inland flicker]

LMAOOO I know I'm just joking

[ionic spindle]

you'll get an amazing liberal arts education and be able to take any STEM classes you want over here

[inland flicker]

I'm still doing CS at Harvard lol

I think I'll get a good STEM education

[ionic spindle]

Oh I'm sure you will

even doing CS at harvard it is still a liberal arts education

[inland flicker]

I probs won't cross-register since they won't count for GPA after this year

[ionic spindle]

since that is simply the style of school which harvard is

[inland flicker]

maybe 1-2 classes

just bc i wanna go to an MIT class

[ionic spindle]

I wouldn't worry about that man

[inland flicker]

fr

[ionic spindle]

You have the best education opportunities in the world available right now

utilize them to learn anything/everything you can

without focusing on silly things like GPA

[inland flicker]

imagine I go to Yael for CS

[ionic spindle]

not saying disregard your gpa and fail all your classes or anything

but focus on actually utilizing the resources available to you and doing what you love vs some silly number

[inland flicker]

Nah I'm going to Harvard I already know Imma be making Bs/Cs

[ionic spindle]

Harvard is fairly grade inflated, or so I've heard

[fierce gust]

Mit best school

[atomic bough]

if u got into mit (firstly congrats!) and have questions, or interested in joining a fraternity shoot a dm

[fierce gust]

nvm one of the best school

[exotic sorrel]

is it really hard to get into mit without olys

[cedar hornet]

even w olys its hard to get into mit

olympiads are just very quantifiable

its easier to see where you stand when ur top 20 us compared to when u have like a similar achievement

[ionic spindle]

the vast majority of us did not do olys

[candid wave]

no

its hard to get into mit period

without olys is not the distinctive factor making it harder

i didnt have shit lol

[exotic sorrel]

YOU GOT INTO MIT STANFORD AND HARVARD?

@misty depot bro's giving you a run for your money

[candid wave]

LMFAOOOO NAHHH

im nowhere near that tier

just got lucky isstg😭

[gusty siren]

lucky cracked

[exotic sorrel]

can i plsplspls dm you

this is iconic ✨

[candid wave]

Ofccc

[atomic bough]

not in the sense that you need an olympiad or else its relatively impossible

im pretty sure the majority of students at mit have not done olympiads

i did not.

[exotic sorrel]

are you a stem major

(planned)

[atomic bough]

Yes

[frozen karma]

no way you get into all of H/S/M on luck

[quartz quarry]

have u decided on where ur gonna go

[candid wave]

so lost

[flint wigeon]

wl’ed

[cyan kite]

Why is mit admissions still sending me newsletters after waitlisting me..

[sleek rover]

I got this as well 😭 (also wl)

[modern lava]

Consider the Harvard diss track https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMM3z3o6BAs

[flint wigeon]

you should choose non mit to let more ppl in from the waitlist 😭

[boreal garden]

colleges overadmit because they know their yield % generally

so it's not really a declined spot = 1 spot on waitlist

[flint wigeon]

but more declined spots is still more waitlists in 😱😱😭

[carmine hill]

actually has mit admitted less people this year than it normally does in RD?

Its like 1275 vs ~1340 ish normally

[sleek rover]

🙏hopefully this isnt due to high ea yield

[inland flicker]

L + mad + cope + ratio

[inland flicker]

bruhs forgot gates

[dull harness]

wait just

out of curiosity

for ppl that got in

did mit ask u to send ur official ap scores through collegeboard

like even before getting in

[humble ridge]

not the official send, but i sent in like the pdf of the overview of all the scores

[dull harness]

Ah gotcha thank you 😄

[cyan kite]

Are there admittance statistics for class of 2028?

[inland flicker]

yes
acceptances: some number
waitlists some number:
rejections: me 😦

[coarse fjord]

😦🫵🫵

[cedar hornet]

dual enroll at mit

u basically got it fr

[inland flicker]

Lol

[calm kestrel]

does MIT ever overadmit idk how they take so little people off the waitlist if ppl chose not to go

theres no way that that few ppl choose to not go (im coping on WL)

[frozen karma]

maybe because they know that their yield is consistently 85%, so they just do # in target class= number admitted so they dont need to take people off waitlists

[calm kestrel]

if its that consistent thats insane

[grave token]

more than 75%

[atomic bough]

Have not^ right?

[grave token]

correct

rough but anchored estimate

it’s just that the academic competitions are extremely Loud Online

[atomic bough]

Yeah I thought I had no chance cause I didn’t do Olympiads and then I was pleasantly surprised to see that was not the case

[spiral tiger]

me asf

11 waitlists moment

[spiral tiger]

yea, i feel like olympiads give people something to congregate around and work together towards which is why they feel so prevalent

aops, phods, cods, are all examples of this lol

and not everyone who does olympiads gets into mit

[cedar hornet]

its also easier to quantify

[magic spindle]

yo yo yo how's ma MIT guys doing

[flint wigeon]

personal experience 😔

[spiral tiger]

wait were u a camper lol

[flint wigeon]

im intl

participated in 2 olys

[spiral tiger]

ohh i see

internationals have it a lot tougher w/ MIT lol

[flint wigeon]

100 spots 😔

[raven heron]

watch petey come in and say "we don't have a limit on the number of offers we give to international students" because it's true, they don't

[flint wigeon]

fair

also 120 admitteed last year

[unique vortex]

... but they do

i mean sure it's not an exact quota but still

[cedar hornet]

i mean technically the quota is the class size

like in theory they could admit the entire class from internationals

they just never would in a trillion years

[grave token]

that's in fact not true

(there is a limit on the number of international students set by faculty policy)

[runic patrol]

Anyone else going to the tour on the 23rd?

[calm kestrel]

what if your visa status sets you as intl but youve studied HS in the US

are you still intl or domestic

[raven heron]

oh 💀 mbmb

[gusty siren]

someone should mail me a wide tim sticker 🥹

[unique vortex]

i was just looking at this database regarding IMO from different yeears and found this quite curious hehe

USA-B in 2019

[grave token]

and Ghana C in 2023

[crimson garnet]

what is that?

[ionic spindle]

HMM

IMO to MIT AO confirmed

[gusty siren]

👀

dead chat

[magic spindle]

MassTech better 🤧

[candid wave]

everyone is butthurt

lmao

[ionic spindle]

so true

[runic patrol]

this is a decent university

[vernal iris]

(Complete Silence)...

[vagrant iris]

i was too lazy to apply here

[mossy osprey]

hello my mittens

[vagrant tiger]

Reading this has just made me anxious for next year

[dawn root]

facts

[magic spindle]

dead chat just like the school 🫢

[runic patrol]

are there any course 22s in this server

[stray lark]

There's no hope, I was rejected as a recruited athlete

Jk ofc plenty of ppl got incbut goodluck, admissions r ROUGH

Start planning out your app from now, you will not regret it 🙂

[unborn nest]

i wrote the top comment lal lul it's a huge cope

[vagrant tiger]

It's all cope when it comes to mit

[unborn nest]

fr I binge ate canada

[calm kestrel]

any WL come out yet for mit

[grave token]

no

[marble fable]

has anyone gotten access to their student email yet?

[coarse fjord]

i did! you have to login through outlook tho

[flint wigeon]

anyone err hear anything about wl

👀👀

[rose reef]

How do they accept international students? Are they generous with scholarships etc.?