Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) (2023-2024)

[azure rain]

well, i will be very grateful for cornell either way

[spice wigeon]

Getting mit interview in a few minutes

[azure rain]

ANYWAYS!

[azure rain]

GL!!!

[inland flicker]

Wdym? like you're DOING IT IN A FEW MINUTES?

[azure rain]

you're gonna crush this!

[inland flicker]

It's 10 PM

GOOD LUCK YoU'VE GOT THIS

[spice wigeon]

yes

[inland flicker]

are you intl?

[spice wigeon]

it’s 9pm and it’s happening

not intl

[inland flicker]

oh wow

OK good luck

be confident

go with the interview flow don't try to force anything

even if you plan to talk about a topic if it goes another way just keep with the flow

[austere vapor]

my fellow MIT appliers

what did y’all put in as your 4 ECs

[trim flame]

speech & debate, robotics, weekly publication, math/chess (also research programs I did in 9th/11th grade summers and math self-study in 10th grade summer but added those to addtl info)

u?

[gusty siren]

gl to yall who’s applying this cycle!! 🫡

[austere vapor]

this is pretty good btw!

u definitely got a shot

now go rizz up your interviewer

Mine was obsessed with my passion project fr fr

[trim flame]

already done (she did the same research program I did and I know her debate coach from when she was on high school)

[austere vapor]

what program?

[trim flame]

garcia

[austere vapor]

oh cool

Im forgetting is that Harvard or CEE

[trim flame]

sbu

CEE is rsi

[austere vapor]

Wait Garcia summer scholars or whatever?

[trim flame]

ye

[austere vapor]

cool!

I wish I applied to RSI now fr

[trim flame]

I was going to but then I saw how many supps it had 💀

[azure rain]

i'm sobbing the naviance looks so bad

[azure rain]

BRUH SAME

I AM FURIOUS I WILL NEVER GET OVER THAT

[austere vapor]

Especially after I got the BWSI acceptance

but oh well

That and primes

[inland flicker]

I wish I knew what MIT Primes was before this year lol

[inland flicker]

• My Tech Startup (Software Engineering & Tech Consulting; 100K Revenue)
• Campaign Manager for Local Town Council Candidate, County Clerk of Court Candidate, and State Senator candidate
• Class President (I kinda regret this one idk)
• Online political simulator I developed (30K users; only 600 active rn in progress of developing second version) (Not-for-profit game so 0 Revenue but still good)

And then kinda a faux EC which is baked into my essay is non-profit work that I did.

[trim flame]

damnnn

[inland flicker]

?

[trim flame]

no it's just that

those r impressive ecs

[inland flicker]

I put Class President to kinda mellow it out with some school related stuff

[river sky]

if u dont mind, what is your online political simulator called?

[inland flicker]

It has IRL info abt me on dev page or I would 😦

[river sky]

i legit used to play political simulators a LOT during covid lmao

[fierce gust]

bro got the most impressive ecs and is like "theyre not good enough" 😭

[river sky]

oh rip

[inland flicker]

yah rip

[inland flicker]

I don't know. I try to be pessimistic about MIT admissions because even though it's been my dream for so long, I don't want to be as disappointed as I know I am going to be.

[austere vapor]

bro why did you put class president on there lmao

[river sky]

tbh MIT should be seen as a lottery

[river sky]

its good

shows leadership

[inland flicker]

Class President shows leadership in my peers

As a school activity

[river sky]

its not caltech where they ltierally say they dont care about well roundedness lol

[inland flicker]

I think of it as MIT is still a school. ECs that aren't school related are great like my business or my development or my politics

But MIT still wants to know you're going to be a good fit for their community in school

so I put Class President

[austere vapor]

Everyone has it tho I put that shit 7 on my ECs list

[inland flicker]

Lol

I'll DM my full list of ECs

Well it doens't matter already submitted

But some of my other big ECs are written about already so no need to include them both

[raw spoke]

bro what ive never ran for a single position 💀

[austere vapor]

I used robotics to talk about this 🤷

And the summer program I did

[inland flicker]

My other ECs are Software Development/Business, Software Development, and Politics

[austere vapor]

w

[trim flame]

which summer program did u do?

[inland flicker]

I needed a school-related one

Other than Class President I mean I was FBLA President but I already had business stuff on there

I am FBLA president*

I am Science Club President but it's obvious I'm good at science if I'm applying for engineering lol

History Club President but irrelevant

I was over tech for 2 non-profits (both in my essays so no need to mention)

Class President was the only logical one

to fill the 4th

[austere vapor]

Beaver works at MIT

It’s their cs eng summer program

[river sky]

how hard is it to get in btw

[inland flicker]

MIT?

Difficult

[river sky]

i wanna try doing quantum software this yr

beaver works

[inland flicker]

oh

[austere vapor]

The sub program I did was 10%

quantum would definitely be lower like 5 maybe

[sinful sky]

I did qubit by qubit years ago

Idk how it looks in apps but it was fun

[austere vapor]

thats diff from bwsi

[sinful sky]

Sure I mean they could try it as well

[inland flicker]

@sinful sky is ur Interview virtual?

[sinful sky]

Didn't get email yet

Like I said before, internationals get late usually

[inland flicker]

Was your interview virtual last year?

[sinful sky]

Yes

[inland flicker]

Was it had

Bad

[sinful sky]

Why would it bad?

Virtual is better

[dire saffron]

oh? When did you get yours last year?

Cause even I'm waiting for mine

[inland flicker]

He said closer to January when he did RD last year

But EA decisions come out Dev 10-20

So they have to be done between now and then

[dire saffron]

exactly

Bro istg I need the interview

[inland flicker]

Are you international

[dire saffron]

yeah

[inland flicker]

Do you live in a city or a rural area?

[dire saffron]

City

[inland flicker]

hmph

When did you submit ?

[dire saffron]

25th

[inland flicker]

tf

What city you live in if you don’t mind

[dire saffron]

exactly

[inland flicker]

there is 0 penalization for no interview so if you don’t get one don’t worry

[dire saffron]

Bangalore. It's the IT Hub of my country India

[dire saffron]

But i was hoping it'd give me an edge tho ://
I'll just hope for the best

Did you get yours?

[inland flicker]

Ah it’s probably just a long list of interviewers. i wouldn’t worry too much!

Yes I got mine yesterday at like 8 PM EST

[dire saffron]

yupp

[dire saffron]

all the besttt

[trim flame]

u got this

[distant ridge]

If I applied to mit on November 1st when would I get an interview (if I do ofc)?

[austere vapor]

i had my interview on nov 1 but yes

[distant ridge]

When’d u apply?

[austere vapor]

29th

[distant ridge]

Oh damn

Aight

[cerulean trail]

how do you get qualified for interviews??

[fierce gust]

it all depends bc I applied like 10/21 and haven’t gotten an interview 💀

[cerulean trail]

would I even get one cause I submitted on Nov 1

[fierce gust]

based on interviewer availability 🤷

[distant ridge]

Is it bad to not get an interview?

[dire saffron]

Nahh

[distant ridge]

Word

[fierce gust]

do u guys think its fine to write about covid in this essay: How did you manage a situation or challenge that you didn’t expect? What did you learn from it?

since MIT doesn't have a covid prompt other than their additional info

[austere vapor]

no

[austere vapor]

use addl info

[sinful sky]

Depends on what you'll write about tbh

It is cliche and it's very likely that many others would/did do that

but if it shows a great personal growth without going into classic cliches, I'd say go for it

just remember to never write about tragedy

[fierce gust]

yea its like not a full covid essay

its like how covid sparked me to do something

its not a tragedy thing

[sinful sky]

yeah then sure

the actual difficulty in the difficulty essay isn't really important

it's what you did that's important

it is good to show a little bit struggle though

[inland flicker]

I’m nervous for@my interview tmmr but at the same time I’m also not

I dont have any notes. Not sure if that’s good or bad

I just feel like the best case scenario is that I talk with the flow so it’s actually my@voice and not me reading off my resume

[austere vapor]

dont bring your resume

you're not supposed to

also, does anyone know if MIT considers non core classes (ie: band, art, pe) in GPA

[inland flicker]

They do

[inland flicker]

First it’s virtual

So I could have it there if I really needed it

But second I said I didn’t want to lol

[austere vapor]

then make a notepad file with bullet points to cover for all the common questions

but like one thing per max because otherwise it will be obvious

[shrewd basalt]

There are ways to have your notes sit transparently above the zoom screen

That is how I cheat on behavioral interview

[austere vapor]

lmao

[inland flicker]

Lol

[austere vapor]

or just.. split screen?

[inland flicker]

What kind of notes though? I know what I’m going to talk abt and I obviously know what I have done

Like do I really need notes?

[austere vapor]

take every advantage you can

already taking an L by during it virtual

so take some W's on the other side

[inland flicker]

Why am I taking an L by doing it virtual?

[austere vapor]

doing an interview in person is better for obvious reasons

if its an option/possible

[inland flicker]

I don’t know that I agree lol

I’d love to do an in person one just to get to know them more

But I think virtual provides me a better level of comfort to be calm and concise for my interview

Though like I said what notes should I have? Like I know my accomplishments should I be noting something else specifically?

I think I’ll write something abt Why MIT

And keep it up on my screen

[austere vapor]

i think every question you think could be asked and then one bullet point about a story you could tell

[fierce gust]

look up a few common interview questions

like "Who are you"

[austere vapor]

holdup i got u

i can telll you what my interviewer asked

for an MIT interview, the questions i was asked where:
Tell me about yourself
Why MIT
Tell me about a time you overcame a challenge
Tell me something your proud of
Who's a hero to you in your life
Why should MIT admit you
What do you do at school
What do you think about your school
What do you do outside of school

[inland flicker]

Really?

sigh

Ok

It’s tmmr at 1

I’ll wake up early and make some notes

[sinful sky]

I disagree

Virtual interviews are better

You're more relaxed

You can hear the other person perfectly

Because of headphones

You can look at notes easily

[austere vapor]

average high schooler take deadass

If your a personable person you can rizz up any interviewer in person so well fr

[sinful sky]

Nah bro I had both types of interviews many times

Both are okay, in person just doesn't really have any advantage

[austere vapor]

Maybe not from your perspective

But in general interviewers prefer in person

At least for jobs

and college interviews are similar

my interviewer legit said he was glad we where doing it in person

[sinful sky]

What does it matter?

Their report won't change based on what they prefer

What you say will change it

And in virtual you're more likely to be able to say everything you want

[austere vapor]

are u serious

[sinful sky]

Yes?

[austere vapor]

Do some thinking and figure out why thats silly on your own at this rate lmao

[sinful sky]

They can't put you at disadvantage just because your interview is virtual

You should think about this lol

[austere vapor]

This is really fucking obvious and cannot believe I have to say it

But in the real world you are not always measured on just your merits

[sinful sky]

Ah also virtuals are recorded, they can rewatch to write the report more clearly

[sinful sky]

Yeah and what you're doing different in real life than virtual interview?

They're still hearing the same words

[austere vapor]

💀 Find me one interviewer that prefers online over in person

[sinful sky]

I don't see how does that have anything to do with merits

[sinful sky]

My interviewer I had a week ago

[austere vapor]

you're intl your case is a lil diff id imagine

[sinful sky]

Don't remember saying interviewer was in a different city

[austere vapor]

wild then

still as a rule of thumb i'm pretty sure you'll find most interviewers prefer in person

maybe thats just the culture where i am

but in general i think if youre a good talker and have a good presence in-person is to your benefit

[sinful sky]

If you're a good talker in doesn't matter if it's in person or not

If you can talk in person, you won't have difficulty online

The other way around doesn't work though

[sinful sky]

Well I interviewed at least 10 people, half was online

My friends did the same as well

[austere vapor]

If you're communication skills shine in person that generally speaks a lot louder in person, since most people waffle

[austere vapor]

how have you taken 10 college interviews already 🤨

[sinful sky]

I said I interviewed

Ah also, I took college interviews last year

[austere vapor]

confusing.

but ight

[sinful sky]

I'm not senior, just didn't bother to change roles

I applied last year as well

[austere vapor]

u @ MIT?

[sinful sky]

No I was waitlisted

[austere vapor]

rip

[sinful sky]

Well I reapplied

[trim flame]

oh shit 💀

[austere vapor]

gl!

[sinful sky]

It doesn't matter that much. They're not interested in your resume but if you find good topics to talks thanks to it, then it's okay

[sinful sky]

You too

[fierce gust]

who cares enough to rewatch

[fierce gust]

I think biggreen who's done interviewing and is a consultant said it doesn't hurt to bring one

basically to ask if they want it, so you have the option open

[sinful sky]

Interviewers who care about the applicant

[austere vapor]

mit it seems like ur not supposed to

other colleges i think its pretty standard?

[sinful sky]

They won't reject you because you brought resume, it doesn't hurt

You hold the power to decide what to talk about

If you keep talking about your resume, then it's your fault

If you use it for ideas about more interesting stuff, I'd say it's better you bring it

[inland flicker]

It’s a personal preference. It doesn’t matter virtual or not. Infact, I know two alumni’s from MIT who are doing only virtual interviews even though they live in the same area as the applicants.

Would I have preferred in person? Yes! I’d love to meet someone from MIT. But I don’t think it will have any adverse affects on my outcome.

[eternal jasper]

yeah my interviewer lives probably like half an hour from me but it's still on zoom

he didn't give the option to do it in person

[inland flicker]

Yep. Some interviewers themselves prefer Zoom, some prefer in person

But alike, they are going to give you the same “write up” either way

[eternal jasper]

yeah, i hope my dude is chill

apparently he's an author and anthropologist, which is really interesting considering MIT

[maiden tundra]

got my interview finaly (i submitted on nov 1st)

[inland flicker]

Interview in 16 minutes

[outer hollow]

trying to figure out what to put on my activities list, should I add all my CS / math related activities, or mix it up a bit? Do they want a huge CS spike or some diversity? If i did a huge CS spike, then in my essays I would write about my other activities (for example, in the what do you do for fun essay i could write about playing and watching tennis)

cuz on one hand i dont wanna seem like a robot with my stats and CS related stuff, but at the same time i wanna make sure my activities list is cohesive and demonstrates my love for cs and math

[inland flicker]

For me personally, my activities were diverse.

I feel like this is where you can see the distinct difference between MIT and Caltech really. MIT is, obviously, a big STEM school. They pride themselves on engineering, math, science all that cool stuff that probably most of our ECs are going to skew too. However, MIT is also a good school for the humanities. They want a well-rounded student. They want someone who isn't just going to stay in their dorm and study 24/7 or code 24/7 the ywant someone who is going to add to the community as well.

So for me, I opted to diversify my ECs by putting 2 CS/Business (my spike) 1 school related and 1 politics/community

I then wrote about, for the most part, CS/Business in my applications as well as non-profit work and community work.

[tribal ether]

omg does everyone have a nonprofit

[outer hollow]

yeah thats a good point, i need to show throughout my application in what ways ill add to the community besides coding and math

i could talk about club tennis, being a part of the sandbox program, etc

[austere vapor]

top 3 for econ but for the other humanities they really arent all that

[austere vapor]

not a non-profit but a lot of people do something in that vein

for example i founded a coding bootcamp for my county that runs every summer

[inland flicker]

how long was your interview? @austere vapor

[austere vapor]

2

hours

~7:10-9 PM

[inland flicker]

I showed up early on accident I didn't think he was going to be in there lmao

[austere vapor]

its generally polite to show up 10-15m early to an interview

[inland flicker]

Mine went from 12:40-3:11

[austere vapor]

good stuff

[inland flicker]

Yuh

It went really good

[austere vapor]

nice!

[inland flicker]

He was literally me from the future ngl. He had a degree in political science, but he has been programming and developing software since highschool and is now a software engineer

(literally me)

[austere vapor]

thats pretty cool

i dont get the poli sci degree part legit a fake major

he do grad or undergrad at mit?

[inland flicker]

undergrad

[austere vapor]

my guy did it for grad at the same time that he was working a job so he only did like 1 class at a time

[inland flicker]

Noice

[trim flame]

mine had a masters in comp sci and EE but does financial consulting lmao

[flint wigeon]

interview T-21 😭😭😭

[inland flicker]

GOOD LUCK

[flint wigeon]

ahdhfjaklad

[inland flicker]

DID IT GO GREAT?

[flint wigeon]

idkkk

[inland flicker]

wdym you don'tk now

[remote vessel]

WHAT WERE THE QUESTIONS PLEASE TELL US

[flint wigeon]

they were like

very basic interview questions

he didn’t ask any weird stuff

[remote vessel]

like?

[inland flicker]

you know only two of the questions that you were asked were asked to me; I guess the interview questions are on an interviewer-basis @austere vapor

[austere vapor]

yeah i think the only one youre 100% gonna be asked is tell me about yourself

worlds most common interview question

[inland flicker]

"Why MIT" is asked by all

[austere vapor]

id imagine thats required

but yeah those 2

[inland flicker]

It's the only one that is required by MIT yah

[austere vapor]

how long was it

[flint wigeon]

1 hour ish

😔

[austere vapor]

thats not bad i guess

did you talk about anything actually interesting?

[flint wigeon]

could be worse yeah

idk i don’t think he was too interested

[fierce gust]

what were your questions (im asking like im gonna get an interview 🤡)

[inland flicker]

still no interview?

[fierce gust]

nope

[inland flicker]

don't worry it's not joever yet

[fierce gust]

😔

my inbox has been dead this entire weekend

[inland flicker]

you said michigan right

[fierce gust]

hoping for brown ED ig 😭

yea

[inland flicker]

do you live clsoe to detroit?

[fierce gust]

suburbs

[inland flicker]

wtf

[fierce gust]

like 1 hour away at most

[flint wigeon]

wait what

[inland flicker]

I know for a 100% fact they're alumni in the detroit area

[austere vapor]

check pins

[flint wigeon]

you should get one soon

[fierce gust]

its definitely joever

[inland flicker]

no

[fierce gust]

i was wondering if az had different ones

[flint wigeon]

similar ish
but different order (?)

[inland flicker]

Mine were completely different

I had mine earlier

[fierce gust]

oh interesting

[austere vapor]

at minimum be ready for:

• tell me about yourself
• why mit
• what do you do outside/inside of school

[inland flicker]

My interview wasn't as question based, we have the exact same interests and infact the exact same career that I want and have been pursuing (software engineer) so we had so many things to talk about it that the questions were strangely the SECONDARY part of the interview

[fierce gust]

thats cool

ill just continue waiting 😭

when do you guys think i should stop waiting

[inland flicker]

december 17th (roughly)

when decisions come out

[fierce gust]

damn ig ill just be stressed for the next 1.5 months

[inland flicker]

A girl that is a junior at MIT said she got her interview the DAY before decisions came out

[fierce gust]

NAH

thats vile

[inland flicker]

And what my interviewer actually said is that sometimes MIT AO's will view your application and send out a message saying "Hey, we need an interview for this person."

[fierce gust]

oh wow

so if its late its them first reading your app?

scary

[inland flicker]

no

there are so many interviews to be done and there are NOT many Alumin Volunteers

[austere vapor]

my interviewer did engineering and im interested in econ but my passion project goes hard so that carried otherwise i woulda been done fo

[austere vapor]

dec 15.

[inland flicker]

how you kno

w

my interviewer said mit hadn't released it yet to even them

[austere vapor]

thats what my interviewer said idk

could be off

[inland flicker]

he said they aim for the Saturday in the middle of December

Which would be the 16th

[austere vapor]

23 is too late

9 is too early

so 16 would make sense then

[inland flicker]

QB NCM get on Dec 1 thats crazy

[austere vapor]

wild

[fierce gust]

ivies is dec 15 right

[austere vapor]

a lot of schools are dec 15

[fierce gust]

well idk abt brown but it should be dec 15

[inland flicker]

I couldn't EA to any ivy because they all do REA

[austere vapor]

oh also important note for the questions pinned in general as far as this goes:
he only really explicitly asked:

• tell me about yourself
• why mit
• why should MIT admit you (paired w/ above)
• what do you do outside of school

[inland flicker]

mine didn't even ask me why should MIT admit you

[austere vapor]

why should mit admit you is a tough ass question to answer in a humble way

[inland flicker]

I did such a good move bro

I wore my companies merch shirt (its a shirt that has my company's logo and name) and so when he asked what it was called I showed him my shirt

[austere vapor]

w

oh actually i rizzed my interviewer up talking about doing model rocketry

[inland flicker]

was it a woman

[austere vapor]

since he worked on re-entry systems for spacecraft

he

lol

no

[inland flicker]

you didn't say he

you said "My interviewer"

smh

[austere vapor]

u right lmao

but like

we where talking about doing amatuer rocketry

and it was actually perfect

and then he was asking me about my programming projects and got to talk about doing like complex physics simulations with like magnus effect and quadratic drag for it

and that was like exactly what he'd done at his actual job

w

that and HAM radio

ham radio is a win

[inland flicker]

HAM radio lol

[austere vapor]

the boomers always love the ham radio license

he was like 80 so

[inland flicker]

LMAO WHAT

[austere vapor]

no like deadass he was 80

no joke

[inland flicker]

NAH UR JOKING BRO

[austere vapor]

nope dead serious

[inland flicker]

no way

[austere vapor]

had been retired for like 20 years

[inland flicker]

mine was retired too

but he was 57

[austere vapor]

now he just does the MIT stuff and thats it

w for him tbh

[inland flicker]

thats crazy

[austere vapor]

yeah

which is also why i went for an in person interview

i figured older people might care about that stuff more

otherwise i woulda gone in person so i could have like a notepad up on my computer

[inland flicker]

i didn't keep a notepad on my monitor lol

i didn't take any notes tbh

i know myself and i knew what to talk abt

[austere vapor]

tbh i wish i coulda spent more time in my interview talking about stuff other than my passion project

but oh well

he seemed interested in it so we spent like the entire time on it or hopping back to it

[inland flicker]

request another interview

[austere vapor]

💀 defo not it went very well

but ofc i wish i coulda added more in retrospect

hindsight bias and allat

it actually lowkey has me delusional thinking im gonna get in

[inland flicker]

LMAO me too bro

[austere vapor]

its wild

because my app is defo better from the people i know from my school who've gotten in

but way worse than all the IMO tryhards

[inland flicker]

at the end of my interview my interviewer told me I had a good chance of getting in lol

[austere vapor]

he said i have a decent chance early but if i dont get in early i'd probably just get waitlisted regular

oh well

[inland flicker]

0 get off waitlist

[austere vapor]

32 did last yr

[inland flicker]

what

it said 0

[austere vapor]

out of 619

https://mitadmissions.org/apply/process/stats/

[inland flicker]

?

This is their common data set

[austere vapor]

weird

oh wait

i think thats the wrong year lol

[inland flicker]

COMMON DATA SET 2022-23

wdym?

[austere vapor]

very confusing

who knows

[inland flicker]

well whatever the case

its unlikely to say the least

[austere vapor]

yeah

praying my LOR's and EC's come through for me

my essays where pretty fire too

[inland flicker]

i like how Character/personal qualities is the only very important

[austere vapor]

its cap tbh

someone can fake it

[inland flicker]

bro that's crazy

you can postpone your MIT admissiosn by two years

[austere vapor]

just read that lol

[inland flicker]

you know mit doesn't do

any honors for graduation?

they don't do class rankings iether

so theres no valedictorian or salutatorian

there i no cum laude

[austere vapor]

🤷 some schools dont even do gpa

[trim flame]

wait yall asked your interviewers what they think of your admission chances?

[inland flicker]

No

He said it unprompted

Do NOT ask your interviewer about your chances that’s a way to get them to write a red flag on your report lmao

[trim flame]

i figured lmao

[trim flame]

i would never ask my interviewer that lmao 💀

[inland flicker]

Oh ok good

Yah he just told me at the end

He said I had good chances and he’d be surprised if I was rejected

[eternal jasper]

ok guys my interview is later this week

did you guys who already had an interview bring anything special to show them

[river sky]

i think getting into MIT is the big achievement out of all of it tbh

[inland flicker]

Just my company shirt lmao

[plucky monolith]

@flint wigeon when's your interview again?

[flint wigeon]

uhm like 6 hours ago LOL

[austere vapor]

gotta get the company pants on too

[sinful sky]

Wrong, my friend did

Btw guys try to not seem to arrogant about your stuff

I heard many students do it even without knowing

From interviewers

[exotic briar]

☠️

[inland flicker]

according to the CDS of 2022-23 0 were admitted of the waitlist

THOUGH I think thats for Fall of 2022

So yeha you're probably right

[sinful sky]

yes that's for the last year

[austere vapor]

waitlist is actually a lottery

id cry if i got waitlisted

im so delulu i rly be thinking imma get in

[exotic briar]

fr 💀

[austere vapor]

my essays are fire but i just realized i think i wrong "send" instead of "sent" in one of them

L typo 😭

not sure if i corrected it or not

[inland flicker]

bruh

[fierce gust]

https://tenor.com/view/e-there-is-nothing-we-can-do-gif-1915861908606230748

[austere vapor]

im delulu because i dont know if i fixed it in the app or fucked it up in my apps doc after clicking yes on random autocorrect stuff

either way the essays themselves are heat so idc

[sinful sky]

thanks

I was waitlisted

👍

[austere vapor]

rip

[inland flicker]

Did you apply anywhere else other than MIT

[sinful sky]

last year yes

this year not yet

[inland flicker]

rip no acceptances?

[sinful sky]

No comments

[inland flicker]

I think having an interview for MIT really helps boost your confidence perhaps to our detriment @austere vapor

[austere vapor]

The thing that really boost my confidence is having a better app then the previous admits from my school

But they get that girls double admissions rate lol

[inland flicker]

Huh?

[austere vapor]

as in the admit rate for girls is ~2x that for non-female applicants

to my knowledge

but im nonbinary and put that on my app though i dont think they care about gender just sex

who knows

wouldnt want a boost for that either way

[inland flicker]

i think that is wrong

[austere vapor]

which part

[inland flicker]

as in - ethically wrong

[austere vapor]

💀 which part

[inland flicker]

That women have a boost in admissions

oh no I didn't mean anything like what you think I meant

[austere vapor]

phew

[inland flicker]

That would be wild to say here

[austere vapor]

real

But yeah I don't disagree and I think people should be judged by their merits

but to be fair a class composition of 70% men would be weird

[inland flicker]

I've seen so much about MIT having a higher acceptance rate for females

But never really a reason

I assume it's because of something like they have had to worker harder due to stereotypical/historical sexism

or maybe the reason that they have 2x admission rate is because there are 1/2 the amount of males applying

[austere vapor]

5.55% vs 3%

so basically 2x

[austere vapor]

Imma be honest there is a non-zero chance the average female applicant has a better applicant than the average male applicant

Women generally dominate the top of class ranks

[inland flicker]

I'm a male

valedictorian

waht you tryna say

[austere vapor]

congrats

but like on average

[inland flicker]

I think it's different based upon region lol

[austere vapor]

Definitely not enough for a 2x rate 💀

fair enough

im NE so

[inland flicker]

nebraska

?

[austere vapor]

new england

whoops

[inland flicker]

oh thats what I thought first but then I was lik

e

[austere vapor]

nebraska is a fair assumption

fake state but still

oh god home state of thomas jefferson hs

oh 💀

interestin

forgot it was very regional

absolutely cracked school

[inland flicker]

I'm in the yeehaw part of the state lmao

[austere vapor]

yeeehawww

[inland flicker]

My class has 155 students in it lol

My town only has 4k 💀

[austere vapor]

relatable

[inland flicker]

oo

a fellow middle-of-nowhereian?

[austere vapor]

naw just small town masshole

[inland flicker]

ah ok

[austere vapor]

win for MIT admissions though we consistently send 1-2 a year out of a class of <130

[inland flicker]

oh 😦

[austere vapor]

and all i can say is im the only qualified applicant at my school rn fr fr

[inland flicker]

no one has ever made it to MIT from my school

Actually, no one has made it to any T20 from my school

[austere vapor]

whatt???

wild

ull be the first fr

[inland flicker]

Well I think UVA was 20th for a while

[austere vapor]

dont really count for instate ngl

[inland flicker]

Well they're 24th now

Not a single person has made it to a current T20 from my highschool

[austere vapor]

my school does GPA really fucked (counts band/music as more than an AP 💀 and counts electives like art/gym with really strong weighting) so we have an odd splattering of T20-T50 admits across the top 2 deciles

then everyone else goes to random schools

[inland flicker]

wHAT

counts band/music as more than an AP?

Wdym

Is that even allowed

[austere vapor]

7 credits vs 5

its stupid as all hell

[inland flicker]

??

So you're telling me

[austere vapor]

which is fucked because it makes it impossible to get into the top decile unless you do band/orchestra/chorus

[inland flicker]

That you could be like beat for Valedictorian just because someone took band

[austere vapor]

like i have straight A's with 6 AP's but some bum doing 3 band courses with an A+ in all of them and 3 AP's beats me

[austere vapor]

yup

fortunately i think colleges will normalize the grades to just core classes w/ even weighting so W me I guess?

[inland flicker]

Class rank is only considered at MIT

And because its your Academic GPA I think they undo band, choir, guitar, things like that maybe

[austere vapor]

my school doesnt officially report so i didnt put it in my app

[inland flicker]

We were supposed to put in somewhere?

wtf

[austere vapor]

or well if we where supposed to i didnt

[inland flicker]

I hope not

It's on my transcript tho

[austere vapor]

its not on my official transcript i mean when GC sends it in

[inland flicker]

oops

[modern lava]

My interview's tomorrow

End me 💀

[inland flicker]

@modern lava Good luck!

Is it in person?

[modern lava]

Yeah at a coffee shop not too far from my area

Oh god it's 4 minutes from my HS

[inland flicker]

I've had conversations with a few different MIT people about interviews, and of course had mine. A few of the major things that they felt were extremely important were:

• Why MIT? - All of the alumni/current students I have talked about have boasted about this being THE question. They want to know if you are going to be a good fit for MIT and they aren't interested in "it's a top university for my major"

• Tell Me About Yourself - All of them also said that they wanted to get to know your story. Not necessarily your credentials for your academic excellence, but rather what you are and what your core values are as a person.

• Your Passion/What MIT Can Do to Help you achieve your goals/passion - A lot of them are going to want to understand what you're passionate about and what MIT is going to offer you to achieve them. My interviewer straight up asked me "What is MIT going to give you to allow you to achieve your own way of changing the world?"

• Another big thing that a lot don't actually do, is to ask questions about the BAD about MIT. It lets them know that you aren't just choosing MIT for the prestige. You show that you are interested in actually understanding what MIT is about, what they have to offer, and even ||unfortunately|| what they are bad at.

• If you have any cool projects/portfolios/research you can bring it along. They love to see things, just make sure you only bring it out if the conversation naturally gravitates towards it or it is brought up.

there @modern lava

there are a few random questions you'll get asked so be prepared to have hard questions that make you thonk

[modern lava]

Thanks for giving me some more stuff to pin

[modern lava]

Fr tho thanks

[inland flicker]

You're welcome

[modern lava]

The decision dates for QB and EA are just barely a month away, it's horrendous

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[inland flicker]

I'm excited

I'm deliriously confident that I a going to get in

[modern lava]

Mood

Delulu is the solulu

[inland flicker]

My interviewer is confident in me so it made me confient in myself

[modern lava]

Hypeman interviewer 😳

[inland flicker]

He emailed me again yesterday and told me that he had a great time on our interview

made me feel bad

I should've been the one to email him first 😦

[austere vapor]

brudda u gotta send an email the day after the interview

professional etiquette cmon now

[inland flicker]

THAT WAS MY PLAN

HE SENT IT TO ME LIKE 3 HOURS AFTER

[austere vapor]

oh lol

[inland flicker]

My interview was yesterday smh

[austere vapor]

how much do we be thinking the MIT programs help with admissions at MIT (RSI, MITES, BWSI, WTP, SSP, LaunchX(?))

[inland flicker]

Not much

[austere vapor]

cap

RSI is autoadmit

[inland flicker]

?

[austere vapor]

u dont know what rsi is?

[inland flicker]

MIT Admissions Office has stated that MIT Programs such as MIT Primes have very STRONG academic criteria that are required to get in, but ONLY academic criteria. MIT's selection criteria does not align with high profile pure academic programs. That pure academic criteria isn't all that MIT is looking for and really isn't even the most IMPORTANT thing

So, yes, it speaks to your intelligence and academic strength

But as far as helping you a ton in MIT admissions? Not really.

[modern lava]

Tfw through the grapevine I've actually heard of someone that actually did RSI

[austere vapor]

I met a bunch of them at the MIT college fair for summer program students

smort ppl

it seems like what it actually takes to get in is really just mostly previous research experience for a large part tho

[raw spoke]

only 1 person from my state got into RSI 💀

[modern lava]

For some reason they ended up at homecoming - and they were hanging out with a friend of a friend - who they subsequently facetimed, for whatever reason

Iirc they were actually really chill

And also happened to be one of Elon Musk's sons

And, of course, his dream school was MIT

[raw spoke]

what

no wayyy

[austere vapor]

why does the lore get so wild

[modern lava]

Ngl just from hearing about him I really like the dude and want him to get in, but man this competition 😭

[modern lava]

Welcome to L.A.

[raw spoke]

the person that got into rsi from my state last year went to like one of those international science olympiads and also beat cancer in hs

[modern lava]

RSI people are built different fr

[raw spoke]

they're also super nice 😭

[modern lava]

That's the dilemma bro

[austere vapor]

iz wild

[austere vapor]

only part that probably helps is the LOR's from them

tbh

[modern lava]

Like, you wanna be jealous of them because they're so accomplished - but then you can't even remotely rationalize it because they're legitimately really nice

[raw spoke]

idk im not even jealous

im just like so proud of them

idk if they even remember interacting with me once

[modern lava]

True, especially if it's in a state like yours where only a few people manage to do it

It's like seeing someone in your hometown make it big

And then if they are from your hometown

Local pride fr

[raw spoke]

trueee

im pretty sure they're eaing to mit too

[modern lava]

We all 'gon die on December 14th huh (Dec 1 for me)

[austere vapor]

its gonna be mad funny

gotta get a big discord call where everyone opens it lmao

[raw spoke]

i thought it was december 17?

[austere vapor]

dec 17/18 iirc?

[modern lava]

Somewhere around that time anyway

mid-december

[modern lava]

I just wanna say this again - this place is fucking wild sometimes

Like, from my HS, if you go in one direction for a few miles you'd end up at the Kardashians' house, and in the other direction you'd end up in what's essentially the Ghetto

It's boring most of the time ngl but sometimes you legit just hear of some wild shit happening

[austere vapor]

im glad i dont live in cali

shit state ngl

[inland flicker]

Dec 16th @austere vapor @modern lava @raw spoke

They aim for the middle saturday in december

[austere vapor]

september. so real

[inland flicker]

my bad

[austere vapor]

u good lol just messing

[raw spoke]

dang 1 day off 😔

[flint wigeon]

ok kinda necroreplying but still
our school has a 6 year streak of no MIT acceptances 😔

[sinful sky]

My school has 2 year per MIT streak

If I get in it would continue

[flint wigeon]

you will !

[flint wigeon]

but this year we have 4 applicants 💀💀💀

[sinful sky]

Well I haven't got interview yet

But it could be because I already had last year

[flint wigeon]

nah

[sinful sky]

Otherwise I either got 100% in or 100% out

[flint wigeon]

intl alumni take longer i think

depends on where ur at i s'pose

[sinful sky]

Some of my friends got but yeah

I don't really care if I get interview or not tbh

[flint wigeon]

they do claim that if you are not contacted for an interview
it wont hurt ur app

so its probably fine either way

[sinful sky]

Yeah

Logically it shouldn't anyway

They don't always interview someone

They may request "this person needs interview for decision"

So if you don't get interview it could also mean that you don't need it

Which could mean your app is very strong or very weak lol

[flint wigeon]

i think they try to interview everyone?

[sinful sky]

I already got interviewed though

Shouldn't be that necessary to interview me

[austere vapor]

Do we think MIT is easier to get into if you're trying to do econ as opposed to like CS or Eng.

[fierce gust]

U still need great math history

[austere vapor]

captain of the competitive math team and top scoring in the entire league fr fr! i got that math down good

[river sky]

mit doesnt admit by major at all iirc

[fierce gust]

Ur required to take multivar calculus to graduate regardless of major (hence why i am not applying to mit)

[fierce gust]

colleges still consider ur preparation for ur major

[austere vapor]

^

my interviewer said its more cuz they're stats nerds and want to see if people stick to it too

[river sky]

in the case of MIT, applying as a history or gender studies major will be nearly as competitive as applying for computer science or engineering. Yes your major matters in that MIT wants you to be a "good fit" for ur major, but MIT is selective enough & has open enough curriculum that applying for a "less competitive major" wont affect chances too much

in fact applying for a less competitive major could hurt you if your story doesnt suggest a fit for that major

[fierce gust]

I'm aware

I never said it would make it easier 💀

[inland flicker]

no

MIT AOs don't consider intended majors whatsoever during the admissions process

Even though one of the required short responses is about your "major" it's actually specifically worded as "course of interest"

Over 50% of all MIT admits decide to major in something that they had little prior experience in or had no interest at all before coming to the institute.

[austere vapor]

I never said intended major

I mean

Impressive accomplishments in econ for example as opposed to something impressive in cs

a econ admit is probably more likely than a cs one in that case no

[inland flicker]

no

[austere vapor]

wild

mit only has 12 pure economics majors

[inland flicker]

CS & Economics

sounds like a fun one

[austere vapor]

the cs econ data sci sounds cool

i think id do that

or pure econ

[inland flicker]

I'm dying for MIT decisions to come out tbh

[austere vapor]

if i could just have the decision rn id take it

[inland flicker]

me too

[austere vapor]

i need the humbling fr

rly be thinking im a shoe-in 💀

[inland flicker]

me too

Except- I don't need a humbling

I need an acceptance

[austere vapor]

well same 💀

[shrewd basalt]

If you go to a school without T5 acceptances the unwritten rule is that you basically have to be perfect

Oh you’re intl too

[shrewd basalt]

It’s less about them being so selective and more about there being less bandwidth for gender studies ppl

[flint wigeon]

we have other T5 though

like every year at least 3-5 💀💀

just not MIT :(

[shrewd basalt]

oh then your school probably not super stem oriented

They exist but idk of any intls that got in without very strong oly performance

[flint wigeon]

yeah 😭

[flint wigeon]

||i do, but would no golds affect that?||

[shrewd basalt]

nah lmao

Smth like IOI/IPhO?

If you've medaled at intl you stand a solid chance

[flint wigeon]

ibo n iol

[flint wigeon]

okok i can only pray at this point

but tyty

[shrewd basalt]

you're chilling

If not MIT some other top school

[winter oar]

How bout ssp

[shrewd basalt]

Summer science program?

[winter oar]

Yeh

[shrewd basalt]

it's no slam dunk but it's a big plus

It's not RSI

[outer hollow]

yeah no one has gotten into MIT from my school in the past at least 5 years, hoping to break the streak. i saw somewhere that arkansas is ranked 49th in the US for top college admissions lol

i have a good a shot as anyone except for the fact that my region doesn't emphasize academics at all and i didnt get to do many academic competitions, im learning about all of them now when im applying lol. though my resume is way better than everyone else at my school so hopefully that helps me

[austere vapor]

MIT doesnt care what state you're in

also i legit don't think you have to be that wild to get in

i know some people from my school who've gotten in with only like robotics team and 0 state level awards

yall gonna pop off and get acceptance i believe

heres a true and real fact: most people probably come off as unlikable in essays and interviews and get rejected

because most applicants are academically qualified

[modern lava]

My Interviewer actually ended up talking about that (I asked if she's able to see how her previous interviewees decisions went) and she said that she felt that modern college admissions was almost random sometimes 💀

[austere vapor]

well can they or not lol

also im curious do MIT interviewers give a strong accept/accept/waitlist/reject or do they do 1-6 rankings or what

[modern lava]

Yes!

[austere vapor]

i heard it was like 3 categories or something

[austere vapor]

or thats cool

[inland flicker]

They write a essay-format report

[austere vapor]

well yeah but do the AO's actually read the whole thing or do they get a summary and numerical ratings

i know they take notes

[inland flicker]

Yes. They submit it by Nov 14th for EA

[austere vapor]

so what if someones doesnt interview before nov 14 their inteview isnt counted for EA?

also, source?

[hollow sedge]

how much weight do you all think mit puts on essays
my awards section is probably lacking a bit because i didnt grind olympiads but i can essay good

[inland flicker]

MIT Interviewer lol

[austere vapor]

okay but then what if someone applies EA but doesnt have their interview before nov 14 then...

[austere vapor]

🤨 mfw google CDS

[inland flicker]

Exceptions are made

Like an AO can request an interview

[austere vapor]

sounds like that would be a lot of exceptions i feel like a lot of applicants wont have their interviews done by then

[inland flicker]

Dunno about the inter workings I just know it’s due by NOv 14

But not EVERYONE is gonna get one

It’s not counted against if they don’t get one

[austere vapor]

the its not counted against you thing seems kinda bs

someone with a good interview will obv be picked over someone without an interview

all other things equal

[modern lava]

Tbf you could have a meh interview, which would probably around the same as no interview

Its not like it's that significant of a component of the application tho

Ngl after having my own interview yeah it feels like people stress about them way too much

[austere vapor]

how is someone throwing an interview fr fr

just talk normally 😭

[modern lava]

It really is a conversation honestly

It was a really damn fun conversation too

My Interviewer attended MIT in the 70s and she talked about learning programming when computers still took up entire buildings

Ngl really different from me but there was still somehow an overlap in some aspects like how we both ended up talking about Urban Planning

[inland flicker]

Personality is the only thing on the CDS that is very important

[modern lava]

True

Me not having anything to brag about so my character/personality basically carried the entire conversation for an hour and a half be like

[austere vapor]

my inteviewer and i didnt have a ton of overlap in what i wanna do and what he did but he still seemed really interested in my stuff fortunately. we also talked about modelling space reentrys using quadratic drag as that was a random project i did and what he did at work sorta

'twas intruiging

better get some free points for being his first in person interview in 3 years fr

[austere vapor]

w

[outer hollow]

rip 💀 i think even for most states my application is super solid, im just making sure to perfect my essays so they reflect my character and personality

[modern lava]

The interviews are the best advertising for the university fr

My interview made me wanna go to MIT 10x more

[outer hollow]

cuz one of my friends last year who was valedictorian with 36 act didn't get in, and he had usaco gold and some other awards. but my ecs and cs spike are better than his, and idk how his essays were

[austere vapor]

my guy was not selling it super hard lmao he only did 1 class at a time for a masters while working a job full time

@modern lava its fine tho i rizzed him up with one of my projects so

despite the total seperation of interests

we chilling fr

waiting for my acceptance

[modern lava]

We all delulu after our interviews fr

[austere vapor]

ONG

the only thing slightly toning down my delulu level is bro said if i didnt get accepted early then id just be waitlisted regular realistically

which is an L

[inland flicker]

I can’t believe your interviewer was 80

[austere vapor]

turns out i was slightly off

still mid 70's

but yeah

i got a different one from the one that normally does my town cuz of a conflict of interest

[modern lava]

Same

[eternal jasper]

my interview is in two days

i hope its as good as yours

[modern lava]

We managed to strike up a great convo about the evolution of technology over that time period because of how much she's experienced tho, which was great

Even somehow managed to drag in one of my own personal experiences

[austere vapor]

wish i connected w/ my interviewer like that on a shared interest

we talked about a lot of technical stuff too for some reason

bro started talking about laplace transforms and liebenz integrals

[eternal jasper]

i hope i can talk about cool stuff like that

my interviewer has kind of done a bunch of random things so i hope i can channel my inner randomness to have a good convo

[austere vapor]

gl!

[austere vapor]

https://www.tickcounter.com/countdown/4586064/mit-early-action-decision

got bored

[inland flicker]

bro

finna put that up on my desktop

[modern lava]

Hmmmm should I add a timestamp

[austere vapor]

got it saved as this lol

[austere vapor]

not official but its usually from the 14-16th it seems and 16th is a saturday which is what theyve been doing so

checks out

[inland flicker]

16th

[modern lava]

Maybe not if it isn't official

[inland flicker]

My interviewer was pretty confident it was going to be the 16th

[modern lava]

Imagine if someone checks the pins and gets jumpscared by the decision release while the timestamp still says a day away lmao

At least I know the QB decision date tho

[austere vapor]

countdown is also for 16th

[modern lava]

It's gonna be the first friday after thanksgiving break for me, which is gonna be chaotic

Also the day after the UC Application deadline

Istg if I pay UC application fees on Nov 30 (they only waive fees for up to four campuses) and then find out that I actually get matched to one of the colleges I ranked then it's gonna be hilarious

[austere vapor]

Unrelated slightly but I hope yall remember to have your CSS profiles in by nov 30

[inland flicker]

wdYM

[austere vapor]

https://sfs.mit.edu/undergraduate-students/apply-for-aid/deadlines/

[inland flicker]

Does that include IDOC? @austere vapor

[austere vapor]

ja

[inland flicker]

no

i dont wanna do IDOC

[modern lava]

Just do it bro

It takes like a week to process

[inland flicker]

hngeogqgqe45huet

[modern lava]

The faster you do it the less time you'll insane later in November/December

[inland flicker]

ok ok ok you right u right

[austere vapor]

ull need your parents for a lot of it

[modern lava]

Once it's done you're done - if you add new schools then your docs get sent automatically

Get it done fast af

Doing financial stuff a day before the deadline 💀

[inland flicker]

It would be nice if I had some

[modern lava]

Complicated family background moment

[inland flicker]

Indeed

Cutting it down to the wire for my Coke Scholar Semi-Finalist app

[near hinge]

did you guys know that mit students can obtain pirate licenses

[flint wigeon]

yas

i would get one

but one of the classes is pistol shooting 😔

[near hinge]

to think that mit of all schools would offer pistol shooting

quite silly

[flint wigeon]

true

[fierce gust]

@inland flicker I GOT MY INTERVIEW REQUEST

omg i thought it was joever

my interviewer wants to meet in the next few days but ill be AT mit this weekend 💀

im kinda worried bc i feel like our interests dont match up.. he did his undergrad (mit) and phd (caltech) in chemistry

[modern lava]

Masstech undergrad and CIT grad school goes crazy

[fierce gust]

im so unqualified LMAOOO

[inland flicker]

I TOLD YOU IT WASNT JOEVER LETS GO. YOUVE GOT THIS

See my pin for helpful information

[inland flicker]

MIT and Caltech combo goes crazy fr

[fierce gust]

THANK YOUUU

i gotta reply but idk when to do the interview 😭

im packing tmr to be out of town friday-sunday morning & since im waking up at 5 am on sunday, idk if ill be coherent enough to talk about myself + no time to prepare

[inland flicker]

B4 next Tuesday

Next Tuesday is when EA interview reports r due

[fierce gust]

ohhh ok

damn so i gotta either do sunday night or skip boxing on monday

[austere vapor]

doesnt everyone get interviews

like even if u have a 2.9gpa/1290 wouldnt u still get one

[inland flicker]

No haha

They try to give everyone an interview, so everyone has the POTENTIAL to get on

But, it largely depends on area and availability of alumni volunteers in that area.

[austere vapor]

so what if u dont even get an offer u aint getting in

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If you don't get an offer, it isn't held against you!

If you do not get offered an interview because there isn't enough time, or there isn't an interviewer available in your location then you don't get penalized at all.

Now, if you DECLINE/REJECT an interview, your chances fall to near 0.

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@austere vapor I got all kinds of those direct admissions too. Are you going to do anything with them?

[austere vapor]

no lol

[fierce gust]

how important is the interview

im nervous esp w this guys background (even tho im doing it Monday)

[inland flicker]

Not OVERLY important

But, Personality is the only thing on the CDS that is marked as "Very Important" for admissions.

Just be yourself

[fierce gust]

thank you

[austere vapor]

its important to not throw it

[fierce gust]

this is a problem for future me 😭 hoping i can find some point of connection w my interviewer

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It's important to not do TERRIBLE yeah

[near hinge]

Just don’t try to kiss your interviewer 😵‍💫

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Lol?

[fierce gust]

[modern lava]

I mean, this stuff can happen and https://www.reddit.com/r/ApplyingToCollege/comments/m3tbpd/mit_interviewer_accused_me_of_working_for_a/

[austere vapor]

lmao

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LOL

[shrewd basalt]

Lol they’re bsing when they put that

Of course personality matters but not to the degree that they say

[austere vapor]

yall i need my college decisions now fr 😭

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MIT actually cares far more about personality. They’d rather have a less academically competitive candidate who is fit for MIT than one who is more academically competitive but not as fit for MIT. Caltech, on the other hand, would simply go for pure academics.

If you watch the MIT admissions workshops, they explain WHY they transitioned to that over the last decade(s)

[raw spoke]

mfw i was checking my email for any interviews from mit and find an email my mom sent to an mit professor behind my back

[hollow sedge]

mit's vibes are amazing imo

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Before when MIT was, like other institutions, only academics their suicide rate was ABSURD and the depression levels were really high as well:

So they started asking and looking for FIT rather than only academics

A few different sources can be cited for that; but primarily deans and other AOs have corroborated it

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Wut

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I agree!

[shrewd basalt]

This doesn’t negate what I said, and also don’t take everything they say as gospel

It’s literally propaganda lmfao

It is textbook propaganda

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Almost all the alumni I have spoke to say the same thing and say they're looking for that in applicants when they interview