#Please help me make my CS list

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prisma otter
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Please help me make my CS list

forest pollen
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UMD,Purdue, UW Madison, UT Austin

left urchin
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Applying to CS + x at uiuc makes it easier

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Since you are interested in data science CS + stats would be worth a shot

indigo notch
worthy sluice
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Rice

prisma otter
true crystal
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I don't know a lot about non-USA schools. but here are some thoughts.
Princeton curriculum is pretty defined, so you won't be able to pursue as many classes on subjects you like. Same with Georgia Tech. For CS, I would look into other top unis like Brown, Yale, JH, Swarthmore, and Rice rather than Cornell + Princeton. Cornell isn't a bad option though. UCB, UIUC, and UCLA are all great options. UMich and UT Austin are also pretty good.

You are applying to a lot of UCs as targets and safeties, but not all of them are great for CS. UCSD, UC Santa Barbara, and UC Davis are good options but Riverside, Irvine, Santa Cruz, and Merced won't be great for CS. It's one application, so you can choose to apply to those if you want, but Instead I would consider other targets/safeties like Oberlin, RPI, UM College Park, UDelaware, UFlorida, UW Madison, WPI, and Virginia tech, to name a few.

prisma otter
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thanks; my school has a limit on 10 applications (UCAS and UC each count as one) so Im not sure if i should try to focus more on reaches in the USA and hope UCs and UK schools can be my targets/safeties

hollow patio
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UCR, UCI, and UCSC have very good CS programs

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that being said the other reccomendations are good

true crystal
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Irvine is decent, but UCSC and UCR i'm not so sure...

hollow patio
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UCR has a 30% CS acceptance rate for a reason

true crystal
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¯_(ツ)_/¯

hollow patio
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It is true that UCI, UCSD, UCSB, UCD are ranked better but that doesn't mean the other schools are bad for CS

hollow patio
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the only UC outside the top 50 is riverside, by a few spots (and merced)

worthy sluice
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Arbitrary rankings mean less than actual concrete results like salary imo

hollow patio
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So the UC's rank among the top in both

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berkeley - 3
Santa barbara - 16
santa cruz - 18
UCI - 25
ucsd - 29
ucla - 31
ucd - 50

indigo notch
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UCI is good for cs, but it’s not in T20 CS schools

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Check usnews for the list

worthy sluice
# indigo notch UCI is good for cs, but it’s not in T20 CS schools

Thats a terrible reason to say it isn’t good. Firstly, T20 isn’t some magic number for every ranking ever made, it was just the cutoff for years in the national universities ranking where top private schools that had a small student body with low acceptance rates and very high grades and test scores were. In law schools for example, T14 is the cutoff, because those schools have consistently been top feeders, so not sure why T20 would matter so much in CS rankings. Secondly, US news rankings are somewhat baloney, because the biggest thing they rely on is professors rating other schools, which just perpetuates past prestige. It doesn’t indicate how successful a school will be for someone. Some schools that aren’t in the T20 for CS have salaries comparable to Berkeley’s CS salaries, like Rice, Duke, or Harvey Mudd.

indigo notch
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And btw who tf said to u the cut off is t14 lmao

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The cut off is T25 for sure

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If you really want to see how successful youll be there you have to visit campus and see how you like it and the ppl there

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That is the list u should use

worthy sluice
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Law has pretty much solidified what the T14 schools are with their medians and such. And it’s a joke to assume someone from Duke, Rice, Brown wouldn’t have as much recruited opportunities (they clearly do based on outcomes) as someone from UMD because they aren’t T20 in CS

indigo notch
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And this list shows the top feeders

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There are a lot more flagship schools that are ahead of other UCS like UC Irvine and Uc merced

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I’m not saying they are bad they are great

worthy sluice
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Look at the adjusted for enrollment and then go adjust what percent of undergrads major in CS or Math

indigo notch
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But there are other schools that have greater success in CS and engineering

worthy sluice
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And then tell me I’m wrong

indigo notch
indigo notch
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This is the main recruitment

worthy sluice
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The adjusted for enrollment graph literally proves my point

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On every level

indigo notch
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And I don’t see schools like rice on the top

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Yes USC is very good and maybe underranked on usnews

indigo notch
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On my link??

worthy sluice
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Yep

indigo notch
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Ok maybe

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But what my main point is they are not known for cs

worthy sluice
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USC, HMC, Rice, Duke, Brown Georgia Tech are ahead of Berkeley in that category

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All lower ranked in CS

indigo notch
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Ok Brown is an ivy so makes sense

indigo notch
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Except for Rice

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Everything else is good

worthy sluice
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Harvard too

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Columbia as well

indigo notch
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Well yea

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But we’re the one the adjusted list

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Or the normal list

worthy sluice
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You can’t directly compare a school with 4000 undergrads to one ten times it’s size

indigo notch
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Ok yea I see Harvard is like 26

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But doesn’t matter

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Harvard is Harvard

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And Columbia is good too I think

worthy sluice
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Or compare schools that have 30% CS majors to one with 10% CS majors

indigo notch
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Like ut Austin for recruitment ig

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Wdym?

worthy sluice
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Like say at Duke or Harvard

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10-15% are in Cs

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In GT, 26%

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Not really fair even compared with undergrad enrollment

indigo notch
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Have u seen the discord

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2888 are cs majors

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But regardless I see ur point

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But for getting jobs idt it matters how many cs majors there are

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At ur university

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It’s not like college apps where they only take a certain number from ur school

worthy sluice
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Again, schools with drastically higher enrollment should be adjusted to enrollment size, and those with more CS majors should be adjusted to per Cs major. So that you see: “what are the chances a student graduating with a CS degree from a school gets placement?”

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That last sentence is the important thing we want to know yes?

indigo notch
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Idk

worthy sluice
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Not some total number comparing a school 5x Harvards size with double the percent in CS and saying well it places more

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Like obviously

indigo notch
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But if u do well at a T20 cs dchool

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And know how to network

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Not that big of a deal

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And btw

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For schools like Purdue and maryland

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U have so many instate students that are accepted and don’t even try that r not actually cracked

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So that’s what causes the adjusted ranking to be less

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Cuz basically more than half are instate students and it’s significantly easier to get admission to those

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But if u take say the oos students for those colleges that are relatively cracked then I’d say the rates would be in favour of the T20 schools

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Schools like duke and brown and northwestern don’t care about accepting as many instate students so the numbers for recruitment seem better when adjusted but in actuality it’s not that much difference when compared to t20s

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I’m not sayinf they are bad they are great

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But the t20s are too

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And if you are a relatively diligent and hardworking student you will do well at them

worthy sluice
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I’m not saying UCI has a better program than Berkeley, or that you can directly compare all of them. I’m saying that it’s ridiculous to look at the US News ranking and assume for everyone applying, that a school will be better at outcomes and placement based on that ranking. It’s not true whatsoever, and rankings should only be used as a general guideline, especially since there are fallibilities for some ranking systems. Look at things you actually care about: salary for major, placements, grad school, student life, etc

indigo notch
indigo notch
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And btw they are changing the usnews rankings soon

worthy sluice
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The guy at Google is not sitting at his computer going, damn, this guy graduated HMC and not Berkeley? What a scrub, no interview.

indigo notch
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Read this

indigo notch
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just because of their national prestige

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Increased weighting on a schools' success in graduating students from different backgrounds; and
Removing the following factors as ranking indicators: alumni giving, faculty with terminal degree, class size and high school standing; such factors will be included in school profiles and comparison tools for students

worthy sluice
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You live in a strange world if you think UMD would “impress” a Google recruiter more than HMC

indigo notch
worthy sluice
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Like all the private T20s use their large endowment, small class sizes, and all top 10% students to stay at the top, that’s why they’ve been T20 so long

indigo notch
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So that’s not good

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So schools success in other schools like uiuc will shine

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That will has tremendous success

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And they won’t look at endowment

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Like Mich say for instance gets so much endowment

worthy sluice
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I mean yeah but all those schools you think are at the top now because of their prestige will not be. I personally don’t care but Princeton will be slammed hardest of all

indigo notch
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Yea

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But MIT will take the spot

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So tbh doesn’t matter

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MIT in most other rankings is #1 in the world

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And then Caltech maybe itll be t5 nationally

worthy sluice
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If enough of them do much worse, because people will realize the rankings have only gained credibility by placing HYPSM at the top for decades followed by the Ivies, no one will look at them anymore.

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That’s the reason they have so much credibility

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Is because you expect Harvard and Princeton and Yale to be at the top

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And they are

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So the methodology must work

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But that reasoning will falter if they bomb

indigo notch
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Yea true

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There prolly will be a good amount of public schools entering the T20 now

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Berkeley should def be t15

worthy sluice
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The survey that goes out and says, what do you professors think of Harvard

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That’s already boosted all the Ivies for so long

indigo notch
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Well ig but im saying public flagships schools will go up

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Schools like rice Washu etc will go down

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Even northwestern tbh

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Not much but still

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CMU will be crazy

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T10 for sure

worthy sluice
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Not sure, as can be seen the outcomes are really good

indigo notch
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WashU?

worthy sluice
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Not sure on CMU

indigo notch
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nah

indigo notch
worthy sluice
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They have placement in a few areas

indigo notch
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Nothing beats it

worthy sluice
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Outcomes are only top in CS

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Good in engineering

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That’s one field

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Music, art, etc aren’t

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Drama is

indigo notch
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Exactly

worthy sluice
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Music and art aren’t

indigo notch
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So schools focused on STEM have better outcomes in general

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Just cuz of the opportunities in STEM

worthy sluice
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Well yeah but CMU has music and art programs

indigo notch
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True

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But their main focus

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Is STEM

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esp CS

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with crazy placement high salary for CS of 250k etc

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Same with uiuc and othe flagship schools

worthy sluice
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We will have to see but the only reason Duke beats out WashU and Rice anyway right now is the faculty rating, not placement or anything like that

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So they would get hit just as hard

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Endowment and class size keeps all of the privates high

indigo notch
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According to the article

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So 2024 rankings won’t take that into consideration

valid widget
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ngl idt any UC is a safety for intl

prisma otter
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UC Ar’s for intls can get prettty low

prisma otter
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Acording to college Vine's chancing simulator even as an international I have a 98 percent chance at UCM

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ik its not accurate

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but it should give a rough estimate right?

true crystal
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I consider safety 50%+

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But it obviously depends on your stats

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You have great GPA and SAT though so they are for sure safeties

hollow patio
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considering you are international

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everything is out the window

hollow patio
true crystal
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oops yeah you are international

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Still, a lot of colleges with high acceptance rates even with the international buff will still be safeties for them imo with a really high SAT and GPA

sage sedge
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Is this just because they are ussually more competitive people applying?

hollow patio
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usually

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rare exceptions are out of state vs international SOMETIMES