upenn (2022-2023)

[urban charm]

Np

[median tree]

Alright thank you

This really helps Penn has been my dream school since I’ve been a kid

[gloomy galleon]

fr bro my awards were ass

😭

honestly my whole application was ass I have no idea how I got in 😭😭😭

[median tree]

u definitely deserved it never doubt that u worked hard to get to where u are

admissions officer that have been reviewing apps for years and see thousands upon thousands of applications every single year saw that ur valuable

[digital forum]

What I want this

[gloomy galleon]

they must’ve slipped up after all those apps smh

[gloomy galleon]

but really thank you that means a lot

[idle tundra]

Tea

Real***

[clever palm]

No Penn shirt in package?

[urban charm]

No

But we get merch on quaker day and orientation

[clever palm]

u guys suck

[urban charm]

Nerd

[digital forum]

Bruh

I want a shirt now

[median tree]

its a sign for u to commit to penn.

[urban charm]

So commit

🫵

[feral hornet]

the merch they give us on quaker day is so cute btw

[urban charm]

What is it

Also r u in the wharton gc on insta

Theres a lot of huntsman kids on there

[feral hornet]

they gave us a super good quality totebag, a bread sticknotepad, a mini journal, a pen, and some stickers and probably smth else i just forgot

that was for non-main quaker day visit so maybe the 3 actual quaker days you’ll get even more stuff

also i’m not in the insta gc but i probably should be lol. is there a way you join it?

[urban charm]

Wait wdym they gave u it

Quaker day hadnt even happened yet

Also yea follow shafaam09 on insta and ask her to add u

Or wait i can add u too

Whats ur insta?

Also i just read the middle

Was it just a regular admitted students day u went to?

[gloomy galleon]

Ok real

I can’t go to Quaker days tho 💔

[clever palm]

ill give my merch to you because your bio is interesting

[urban charm]

Ur not coming to quaker day either

[clever palm]

I might

[muted cosmos]

Will I have any luck trying to get UPenn to match my Harvey Mudd financial aid package, or do they only match Ivys/Ivy+?

[urban charm]

Prolly only ivy/ivy+

[gloomy galleon]

ily

I will serve you for the rest of my life

[urban charm]

What day

[low yacht]

they almost matched to williams for me

its worth a shot

[low yacht]

what even is ivy+

[muted cosmos]

The issue is that the financial aid HMC gave me was merit based. I’m just hoping they don’t ask if it was need based.

[low yacht]

ok, if its merit based probably not happening

[clever palm]

It’s another made up thing, but usually it refers to MIT, Stanford, UChicago, etc

[muted cosmos]

Yeah, but since it shows up in my financial aid package, Im hoping they don’t ask if it’s merit based.

[low yacht]

they will definitely know HMC does merit scholarship, but good luck nonetheless

[cold echo]

can you get yeild protected from an Ivy? my cousin says that she has been yeild protected (overqualified) from the Ivy schools lol

[clever palm]

No, you can’t. Your cousin is lying/coping.

[cold echo]

thought so

[feral hornet]

i went to the visiting days bc i can’t go to the actual quaker days. so i’m assuming the merch they gave me will be the same as what you guys will get (or you’ll get more)

[median tree]

how are the penn pre-professional clubs like the consulting/finance/business clubs etc are they genuinely competitive with fair odds or is there nepotism when friends (or even family) of board members try out

[odd basalt]

oooh i want

[odd basalt]

BRO SAME

[idle tundra]

can i join even though im not admitted or a sr-

[muted cosmos]

Has anyone gotten an acceptance package yet?

[low yacht]

No

[odd basalt]

nope

[clever palm]

Got it yesterday

Folder, tiny flag, and some stickers

underwhelming kinda

[gloomy galleon]

yeah it’s not bad tho

[odd basalt]

ok just got it today

it's nice

not the best, but pretty good

[odd basalt]

and the card holder

[clever palm]

True

I don’t like putting stuff on the back of my phone though

[odd basalt]

yeah me either

[feral hornet]

wait are you guys on the east coast? i wonder how penn sends their admit packages bc i haven’t gotten one yet

[clever palm]

Yes

[feral hornet]

ok ty!

[low yacht]

its so convenient

i assume its the same at harvard but you need your card to get into any building, your dorm, some bathrooms, pick up packages, get food, etc.

so being able to just tap my phone to every scanner is so useful

recommended fr

[urban charm]

Is it a case or an attachment

[low yacht]

attachment

sticker kinda thing

[urban charm]

Does it stick for long

[low yacht]

Yes

[clever palm]

It has a kite on it and says bound for greatness

and the Penn logo

I can’t be caught using this at harv though so I’m prob gonna give it to my younger sister lol

[urban charm]

If u go to a quaker day which one r u going to?

[clever palm]

the first one

[urban charm]

Nerd

Everyones going to that one

If i go to that one i gotta drive 4.5 hours alone

[gloomy galleon]

I just realized the penn logo has some fish creature on it

[urban charm]

its a dolphin

smh smh

[feral hornet]

a dolphin for a uni in a state thats just barely clinging to a coast to not be landlocked 💀💀💀

nvm ben franklin was the reason as usual

at least that makes more sense

[urban charm]

the goatr

also

r u committing to penn?

[feral hornet]

idkk i’m going back and forth like crazy

i love penn sm tho and visiting it made me like it even more so i’m rly considering it

[urban charm]

Between what schools

And what career r u thinking

[feral hornet]

i’ve narrowed it down now to mainly just between stanford and penn. i’m not 100% certain what i want to do (which is why i’m hesitant w penn) but international policy analysis or financial/econ modeling & data analysis is what i’ve been pretty much thinking rn

[urban charm]

Anything finance/econ related im taking penn tbh

Ive been looking over a lotta placement stats and stuff for wharton

And it is the #1 target school for basically all things finance/econ

[gloomy galleon]

It looks nothing like a dolphin 😭

[odd basalt]

SAME

[median tree]

u got into huntsman right? so that would combine finance and international policy

[feral hornet]

yeah 100% but i’m lowk worried i’ll switch my mind and want to go more into the stem field or something and not go into finance/econ so that’s probably my main hesitancy honestly

[feral hornet]

yup!! i’m super glad ab that bc for my current interests it’s definitely the dream program

[clever palm]

I would personally pick Stanford

[feral hornet]

and stanford having their admit weekend literally right before we have to decide is so cruel too 😭😭😭

[urban charm]

Yea if ur thinking of goinng into a stem field go stanny

[clever palm]

Stanford will leave more door opens for you

Plus finance/econ modeling at Stanford isn’t bad

Penn Wharton is just better

stan beats Penn at literally everything else though

[urban charm]

^^

[median tree]

yep

but i think since huntsman aligns both of your interests into 1 program lean towards there

[feral hornet]

yeah i’ll have to see which way i decide

maybe i’ll base it off of which one gives me a better admit package 🙈🙈🙈

[odd basalt]

yeah like i want to have made a decision by then and i'm also not missing my senior prom for admit weekend 🫣

[urban charm]

What manir

Major***

[odd basalt]

poli sci and econ

[urban charm]

At wharton or cas

[odd basalt]

cas 😭 i regret not applying to wharton sm

[urban charm]

Yea if u were gonna be at wharton i’d say for sure penn

But u can still get a wharton minor

[odd basalt]

it's hard to transfer into wharton once you're there right?

[urban charm]

Yea

[odd basalt]

dang

sad

i love penn too

i also get no aid so i'm having trouble saying no to full-tuition at vandy 😭 this is so hard

[feral hornet]

i think it’s possible tho or at least possible to do an unofficial dual degree w wharton since one of the girls at the admit day i went to was a cas and wharton dual degree student

[urban charm]

Honestly i’d say full tuition vandy or stanny depending on aid

[urban charm]

Its hard to get into dual degrees from what ive seen tho

[odd basalt]

yeah stanny won't give me anything...penn also told me last night that i get nothing 😭 oh to be middle class

[feral hornet]

yeah most likely

[urban charm]

How much is vandy

Bc ngl full tuition sounds very nice 😧

[gloomy galleon]

damn

im sorry but if penn ain’t giving you aid you ain’t middle class

[median tree]

vandy 60k with room n board i think

[feral hornet]

wait for the ppl in this channel who have committed to penn, what made you choose the school?

[gloomy galleon]

well my other option was Ohio state soooo

[odd basalt]

90k total but b/c of full tuition only 30k per year

[urban charm]

Compared to 90k at penn and stanny?

[odd basalt]

idk i think i am but if my parents are going to be stretched thin to send their first child to a school like penn ik i'm in the weird middle ground between not getting aid and not being a gazillionaire where money is not going to be a problem when choosing a school

[odd basalt]

yup

[urban charm]

Are u gonna hage any debt from penn/stanford?

[odd basalt]

yeah i think so i need to have another convo with my parents ab the financial situation but they've alr told me that they're going to be stretched thin

actually no wait i won't

on the condition that i pay for grad school by myself

[urban charm]

Tbh if u can transfer into wharton at penn u wont need grad school

Nobody from wharton goes to grad dchool

[gloomy galleon]

If it’s about supporting kids that will go to college concurrently with you later you can always renegotiate aid under the new circumstances

Usually people pay for themselves in grad school anyway

[muted cosmos]

Isn't grad school fully-funded, or is that only for PhD students?

[feral hornet]

fr like everyone gets such good jobs literally right after graduation

[odd basalt]

yeah i have a little sister but she'll enter college right after i graduate 😭

[odd basalt]

SAME HAHAHA

[median tree]

no real reason since wharton provides every opportunity you would otherwise need with an mba from like hbs

[urban charm]

Yea if u check the post grad stats, everyone from wharton ends up at some top firm its insane

People are getting investment banking offers at blackstone and stuff before they even graduate

Like in like november senior year

[low yacht]

some do

[urban charm]

4.4% bruh

[low yacht]

largely not MBAs tho

[urban charm]

And thats prolly like the weird law school / med school kids

[low yacht]

nah engineering

[urban charm]

2 comp sci vs 9 law/med

I was right

Monkey

[gloomy galleon]

Twinsies!!!

Lmao

[boreal steeple]

yeah my interviewer went to medical school after going to wharton

[feral hornet]

yeah mine went to law school but that was after he worked for a bit

i don’t think anyone rly needs an mba after wharton tbh

[tiny helm]

Do we have to send past mid year grades if we don’t offer a formal grade report and it wouldn’t add any context (more hurt the context)?

Also how do we send LOCIs?

[idle tundra]

oh

another reason why wharton on top ig

🥱

[feral hornet]

LOL real

but have you guys seen the starting salaries for some of the wharton grads?? it’s insane

i’m not even gonna go into finance probably but that finance salary is insane

[urban charm]

Yes u can be making like 150k easy doing ib

Or the ppl who get into pe and make like 200k+ 😰

[feral hornet]

crazyy and only after 4 years of school

also penn kids are just stacked with internships every summer. like i was looking at some of their linkedins and ppl graduating in 2025 and 2026 already have 5720 internships

ngl business/finance/econ from wharton is like cs anywhere else lol

[urban charm]

Better tbh

Its like cs at mit lol

#1 feeder for all high finance jobs

Its crazy

[feral hornet]

no fr

love penn for that tbh

[median tree]

what makes it even better is that wharton dominates the buy side in terms of newgrad employment

i saw a table/graph i have to find it but wharton had almost triple the amount of PE new hires compared to the #2 on the list (harvard)

(the junior statistic since thats directly out of college)

[urban charm]

Im going pe 🙏🙏🙏🙏

What is ivey business school

[median tree]

basically wharton of canad

canada

its the #1 business school in canada it's apart of western university

[idle tundra]

Western University

I’m manifesting Wharton

😀 all my graduate friends are there

[idle tundra]

Is there anyone here who got into Wharton for undergrad as a IB student

[urban charm]

Me

But as an ap student

[median tree]

IB/AP has same prestige i wouldnt worry about it u could argue IB is probably harder

[idle tundra]

no idc about like which one is better or not

im just concerned about the application for ib students

im pretty sure ib students dont use gpa

But we use x/45 as our predicted marks and send predicted to unis

i just wanna know in term of high gpa out of 4 what would it be for IB?

[urban charm]

I think near a 40 is near a 4.0

My guess

[idle tundra]

oh okay just wanted to confirm with a IB student

[muted cosmos]

Is Penn good for physics and mathematics, or is it mainly just really good at biology/medicine, business, and some others?

[gloomy galleon]

it’s very good

Not the best of the ivies

Cornell Princeton Harvard def beat it out

but still quite good

[idle tundra]

Stem is mot

MIT

[feral hornet]

is penn good for econometrics?

sorry i keep asking random questions as if i shouldnt be researching these myself lol

[clever palm]

if that has anything to do with economics, yes

[urban charm]

Penn is good for all things econ

[modest solar]

mepenn

[bitter carbon]

if anyone is coming to quaker days lmkkkk

[bitter carbon]

you can make up to 300k with IB and 500k+ PE if you get really lucky literally starting out of Penn

[median tree]

The elite boutiques pay extremely well

[idle tundra]

WhTs PE

[median tree]

private equity

[idle tundra]

oh

[urban charm]

Thats gonna be me 💪

[median tree]

this is centreview

theyre considered one of the highest paying ib firms its sick

analysts making near 400k

[idle tundra]

does everyone become a ib after wharton??

[median tree]

the amazing thing about students interested in IB at wharton is their network is to the elite boutique banks

[median tree]

nah

[idle tundra]

it seems like thats the norm

[median tree]

finance just the most well known

by far

[idle tundra]

oh

[median tree]

like some examples that r famous

obviously u know elon musk he attended wharton

jerome fisher he has a penn program named after him

and donald trump

[urban charm]

Its very very popular

[median tree]

yep

[urban charm]

But not everyone does it

[median tree]

its just not genuinely meant for some people

most of the people r just doing it for the money

not passion a wharton degree can take u far in any business aspect

[urban charm]

Didnt mean best

Oops

But yea its def not a job ppl do for fun

Ib work/life balance is horrible

Among the worst out there

People generally do ib for the exit opportunities

[median tree]

yep

but also wharton has the most out of undergrad hires into the exit opportunities people strive for from IB

triple the amount of junior hires harvard does

[median tree]

id argue the worst compared to other careers at the beginning

80-90 hours consistently as an analyst theres no other field that comes close to that

but veteran people in finance also dont work that much, the longer ur in finance the more u get paid for doing less stuff

[bitter carbon]

Everything biz

[clever palm]

Wait, @low yacht could you help me with fin aid appeal thing rq? Do I just fill out the form and email it to them? There’s no change in family status or work, I just want them to match/beat Harvard aid

Once I complete the reevaluation form, do I upload it on the financial aid portal or should I email it to [email protected]?

[low yacht]

I don’t think it’s necessary to do the form then

I’d just email

I only filled out the form after they instructed me to

[clever palm]

I think I’ll just fill out beforehand to avoid wasting any time

Can I see the email you sent them? @low yacht

[low yacht]

Yeah lemme find

[clever palm]

Thanks

[low yacht]

Wait I might be talkin out my ass lol

Email I sent + the response

Follow the response not me lel

[clever palm]

Gotcha lol, ty!

[cyan aspen]

Did you end up appealing aid

Or did they not

[low yacht]

Yes

They pretty much matched it

[cyan aspen]

Nice, what do you think will happen if my efc is 40k?

💀

The only significant thing that happened is my family lost 3k in their business net income, they want to send my brother to college in 4 years and then med school which is going to be like 200k

[clever palm]

Worth a shot

not like you lose anything by asking

[cyan aspen]

Yea but like do they care abt my brother in four years or nah

[clever palm]

I’d think (or at least hope) they would because they ask about where your siblings are going to college and how much they’re paying on the Penn fin aid supplement

[median tree]

@urban charm yo when u have free time can i dm u and can u tell me if the "spike" in my application is significant

[clever palm]

he doesn’t know what he’s doing

but I’m sure he would love to help

[urban charm]

Who got demodded in 5 mins?

[clever palm]

who didn’t even get mod

[urban charm]

Im too qualified

[urban charm]

Also sure send me rn

Remind me in an hourish

[idle tundra]

wait just a general question im getting lots of different signals, i have half of the undergrads saying "spikes" are fake and other half saying they are real

😭 why is it so inconsistent

[urban charm]

Spikes are definitely real

Their impact on results is debatable tho

Its pretty commonly accepted that strong spikes are very helpful tho

[median tree]

theres that one saying colleges are looking for well rounded classes but strong students

im not sure the extent of that but that's acknowledgment of "spikes"

[median tree]

but they definitely exist

some students are just alot alot stronger in certain categories

[idle tundra]

okay so basically i shoudl spike in somewhere but also be well rounded?

[median tree]

find an interest and build around it

[idle tundra]

What are some really "popular" spikes that ppl may have, should ppl try to join these popular ones or make themselves stand out

[median tree]

its not popularity

i have a spike in business because i have business related ECs

it depends on ur major

if ur a medicine major theyre looking for medicine/science spikes in students extracurriculars

[idle tundra]

yeah ok same

[median tree]

business theyre looking for economics and business related stuff

[idle tundra]

alr

so just keep developing that

and also do some other shit on the side

[median tree]

yeah but also if ur applying business major

ur spike doesnt have to be business

it could be about religion

[idle tundra]

yeah that i understand

[median tree]

you're president of your schools diversity club you're a fellowshiip leader at your local place of worship and you have joined several organizations for diversity among your ethnicity/religion

[idle tundra]

how much spike do u need to have in order to actually stand a chance

[median tree]

that im not sure of

[idle tundra]

cause like at this point having everything or none still prob have similar acceptance rate

😭 ppl with insane stats and still rejected

[median tree]

well we were talking about this earlier college admissions are transitioning from

recruiting the best students they can find but instead the best people

stats matter less than ever now

and it'll continue to go down

[urban charm]

You could have no spike and get into every school u apply to

[median tree]

yep

[urban charm]

You can have a spike of 3 ecs like i did and get into ivies

[median tree]

a spike just shows concentrated interest in a field

and for some people that helps alot but for some people being well rounded contributes to their application more

its different for everyone

[idle tundra]

yeah

[idle tundra]

toss some of that luck and personality 😩

[idle tundra]

alr

[median tree]

what do you want to present yourself as

[idle tundra]

ig imma just focus on more business ec, do as much as i can

pray that i get into some decent uni

if not we ball

[idle tundra]

is this a question u want me to answer u or like consider for the future?

[median tree]

consider for the future and in general for all facets of life

admissions officer will have no context to you

they'll see a list of activities and a 600 word essay

[idle tundra]

yeah

[median tree]

how do u want ur essays and ur entire persona to come together is the biggest decision u make before applying probably

[idle tundra]

yeah

imma start that this summer

[median tree]

theres like 50k applications to each ivy and they review them in like 6 months chance is they spend barely 10-20 minutes

on 1 application maybe less

[idle tundra]

yeah

i think for essays having a good interesting first sentence is important

[median tree]

yep

a strong hook

[idle tundra]

yeah

[median tree]

enticing the reader and pulling them in because if u dont

it's like every other essay

it's gonna be a sob story or an injury or you moved across the nation

if its not something interesting what reason does an admissions officer have to keep pouring their attention into it

[idle tundra]

yeah

i dont think i wanna do a sob story

i may write smth that shows like how i think or what type of person i am

hopefully that aint too generic

[median tree]

generic is generic its not bad

its just like everyone else

[idle tundra]

yeah ig

[median tree]

u can make a great story that's generic

[idle tundra]

hopefully i can do smth unique or generic but its good

[tiny helm]

how long should penn loci be

mine is like a page and chage but idk how to make it shorter

[urban charm]

There isnt a exact like requirement

A page and a little more would be fine

[tiny helm]

ok that is good mine is like a page and a third ish, including a signature

[clever palm]

Any idea if something like this showed up for you on your portal when you appealed aid? @low yacht

It says submitted but there’s the exclamation mark thingy, so I’m not sure if they received it or not

there’s also no option to upload a document to that

They asked me to upload the financial aid letter to the portal and title it competitive letter this morning

I uploaded it a few hours ago and just checked the portal again rn and saw that new thing pop up and the document I uploaded disappeared

[idle tundra]

do yall know crimson? the college prep service

is it "legit"/worthy like has anyone got accepted through it

[urban charm]

People prolly got accepted thru it

Worth it? Probably not

You can find all the info they’re gonna give u online

And you can have people edit ur essays online for free / much cheaper too

[idle tundra]

true

@urban charm if it's not too much to ask do u know any resources that u used that were helpful for u?

[urban charm]

A lot of a2c, tho u gotta be careful bc some ppl on here are just sayin shit thats not true, some tiktok (check out limmytalks, nickmarcenelle, and ivy_roadmap)

If ur first gen and/or low income theres a discord server for that

That server is very good imo

[idle tundra]

uh what's considered as low income again? and first gen is like first gen here or first gen attended uni

[urban charm]

r/collegeresults (again some ppl fake stuff so u gotta be aware of that) i used this to check out applications and how ppl from diff backgrounds got into diff schools

[idle tundra]

how did u use a2c? just asking questions or what else?

[urban charm]

Asking questions and looking at other ppls questikns

[urban charm]

Like lower class vs middle class or upper class

And first gen attending uni

[idle tundra]

o ok

[idle tundra]

well i mean income bracket

[urban charm]

Uhhh idk that would depend on ur families income/location/ppl in household etc

But i think if u were low income it would be clear

[idle tundra]

well yeah

but im not exactly sure whether im considered as low income 😭 which is why im asking

cause obviously u mentioned being low income or first gen for that server

so i thought u would know more about the rough range of low income students

https://admissionboost.podia.com/my-essays
^ also is smth like this even worth it 💀 feel like lots of students the moment they get into schools they start charging random stuff that most of the time arent always the most useful

[urban charm]

No

U can find essay examples for free online also

[idle tundra]

yeah just found them

[royal river]

I got waitlisted at UPenn and I'm writing a LOCI rn. I submitted an update around 2 weeks before decisions came out, so my AO probably did not read it. I want to add my achievements since submitting my application, but my strongest ones are already in the update. Would it be redundant to add them (though I am adding some context to them) to my LOCI?

[urban charm]

I mean mentioning them again cant hurt

[waxen trout]

Hey need some input from other ppl here

I am heavily considering Penn but my allegiance has drifted a bit elsewhere (namely Duke) since I’m intimidated by the stressful social environment.

Anyone else feeling this?

[urban charm]

I was the same

But i went to quaker day

And everyone said it wasnt rlly that bad

Like some ppl are super competitive but a lot of people arent at all

And apparently theres lot of group assignments and stuff which push collaboration over competition

[tiny helm]

Sure you can drop penn and give me a chance at the waitlist 😊

Nah but on a serious note I’ve heard Duke is worse, one of my friends transferred back to state school due to toxic ppl and another who finished there said it’s pretty bad

[clever palm]

^ avg comment by a noob on waitlist

[tiny helm]

I’m a septuple t20 waitlister

[bitter carbon]

mmm

it for sure is stressful as hell

rewarding too though

[bitter carbon]

its giving wharton brochure lmfao

[urban charm]

I mean it is a business school

How hard can it be

[bitter carbon]

you in for a humbling

come find me in a couple of months

[median tree]

the competition is kind of cool being cutthroat isn’t that big of a con too me competition breeds success

[urban charm]

Actually i just heard they changed the competitiveness

They changed the scaling system

So it can no longer deflate grades

Only inflate

[median tree]

is it like a curved system where only X amount of people can get A's

X amount B's etc

[urban charm]

It was before

Its diff now, idk exactly how but it can only boost grades

[tiny helm]

don’t tell them the good stuff about penn come on

they should stop considering penn and boost the waitlist acceptance rate for me

[median tree]

juniors plz do not apply to penn next yr it is very competitive and cutthroat plz do not apply plz plz 🙂

[clever palm]

I will do it for you

🤩

gimme $5

[tiny helm]

YOO I LOVE YOU

[median tree]

@low yacht i saw a percy jackson and Japanese monsters class have u taken or heard of those it sounds fun af

[low yacht]

It was offered last in fall 2022 when I was still in high school

Dang it was only offered once ever

It looks well received, low difficulty ratings and high course/instructor ratings

[median tree]

Which one Percy jackson or the Japanese monsters

[low yacht]

Percy Jackson

[median tree]

In Percy Jackson one it says u do a video game play through LOL

[low yacht]

No way

[median tree]

Damn

[low yacht]

I hope she teaches it again

Though it looks like she didn’t teach this year at penn so idk if she’s still with us

[median tree]

Apotheron is the games name

[median tree]

UPenn has alot of super cool xlasses

[urban charm]

u were in college fall 2022?

[low yacht]

i just realized my error lol

my brain was thinking spring 2022

[urban charm]

goofy kayak

[low yacht]

my dumass!

[urban charm]

did u find what u lost

[clever palm]

L penn

[urban charm]

I already told upenn

They are rescinding u

[idle tundra]

w

[idle tundra]

wait in general would yall recommending ea or ed upenn

or should u just apply reular

regular

[urban charm]

Ed if its ur top choice

I didnt ea anywhere bc its a harder pool imo

[idle tundra]

whats the diff between the two agin

😭 i keep asking that every couple of months cause i forget

[urban charm]

ED means if u get in u HAVE to go (unless they give u shit aid and u absolutely cant afford it)

[idle tundra]

does ed means like u will be competing against really good candidates in comparison to other like ea or rd?

[median tree]

yep

ed is where all the legacy, super rich children of building donators, and athletes apply

but im still applying ED to wharton

[idle tundra]

@median tree would it be better to apply ea or ed 😭 i wanan do ed but if theres too many tryhards i might ea-

[median tree]

ea

if u dont get accepted you get deferred to rd

unless in the ultra rare chance u get rejected but that means they wouldnt have accepted u in RD anyway

ed if u really want and u would go to penn 11 out of 10 chances you got, but just know the pool is incredibly incredibly competitive

[idle tundra]

ok fuck

[feral hornet]

i’m so stressed ab deciding whether to commit or not to penn

bc i think stanford would be a better fit for me but that huntsman program is unmatched but i don’t get enough math/stats courses through huntsman to do economic modeling and analysis imo and it’s so far away from home

[urban charm]

Why dont u get enough math?

From what ive heard u can make wharton very math heavy if u want, is huntsman not same?

[feral hornet]

nah i’ve checked my four year plan for huntsman and there’s barely any math compared to my stanford four year plan

and i’ve tried making it as math heavy as possible + with bus analysis as my concentration so idk

but it’s also stanford so u know there’s lots of math in any stem related stanford major

[median tree]

ask me, i'd pick wharton in the blink of an eye, but it's not me

from what you've said stanford is closer to home, a better fit for YOU, and it has the courses you prefer

[median tree]

u can individualize a wharton plan

[feral hornet]

yeah it’s just that w huntsman i don’t think you can as much

[median tree]

fair enough a dual degree program is meant to have you classes coordinated for a niche purpose

[urban charm]

Prolly not AS much, but the freedom u have in wharton is sm that i even in huntsman i doubt ur that restricted

[urban charm]

Also do u know who ur advisor would be?

U can prolly ask them abt it

[median tree]

nvm thats the wrong think i wanted

[urban charm]

Yea that just means u have to take like 2/3 more courses than wharton

[median tree]

emre do u know how many credits u need

[urban charm]

Whartons like 33 cu’s

[median tree]

as anything major in wharton

dayum

[urban charm]

Its not a lot tbh

[median tree]

wait

is 33 cu's 33 courses

[urban charm]

Ik one freshman who took like 5 courses and 6 courses this year and he has to stop taking so many or else hes graduating junior year

No

[median tree]

what is it

[urban charm]

A course can either be like 1 cu or like 2-3 cu

[median tree]

oh nvm i see

[urban charm]

Anyway u dont have a lot of requirements in wharton

[median tree]

but in combination with an international affairs major that doesnt have much in common with business analytics

its probably alot

[feral hornet]

yeah i was planning on emailing them tonight LOL

[median tree]

34 + 33

so 77 cus

80 actually

[feral hornet]

yeah i also need to satisfy college reqs which is where i put a lot of my math courses

[median tree]

yep

i mean from what youve said

i'd pick stanford

u said its a better fit closer to home

stanford and huntsman/wharton are both the pinnacle of prestigious universities

[feral hornet]

i just feel horrible saying no to not only wharton BUT HUNTSMAN. fall semester me would have died if she knew i got in here bc i was so obsessed with this program back then

[median tree]

have u visited both?

also what do u aspire to be

[feral hornet]

yeah. i loved penn’s campus but philly is completely different than where i’m from. it’s the opposite for stanford. the campus is ok but the surrounding area is very comfortable and familiar

[median tree]

im speaking with an inherent bias since penn is my dream school, i like penn campus more but it's also due to diversity

im muslim and there's alot of muslims in the surrounding area

not so much in santa clara

[feral hornet]

i’m sort of trying to get into economic or financial modeling, econ policy analysis, quant or smth like that. i’m not 100% sure but ik that i don’t exactly want to go down the typical wharton private sector finance route

[feral hornet]

yeah 100%

it’s honestly surprising but yeah i noticed that too when i visited

[median tree]

philly vs santa clara, philly is 10x more diverse and the communities are more tight knit

but also some people like suburban settings

because that is a big difference between penn and stanford

penn is in one of the largest cities in the world

stanford borders the santa cruz mountains

[urban charm]

Have u reached out to current students or professors abt going quant?

[median tree]

MCF is @ stanford

idk if undergrads have access to it

[feral hornet]

i have and that’s def one place where penn and stanford both are equally rly good tho penn is a bit better bc they have a better program pathway w wharton but it’s relatively comparable

[feral hornet]

yeah i was looking at that (now called data science somehow) or ms&e tho that’s a bit different

[urban charm]

Do u wanna so research?

Maybe one school might have a professor involved in the subjects ur in or something

Idk anything abt financial modeling lol

[median tree]

yea look into the research programs & professors that direct them

most quants have to do their masters or PhD

unless u go to mit or harvard

idk about stanford quants program too much

[feral hornet]

yeah stanford has a coterm program where i can basically get a masters and bachelors in 5 years

[median tree]

i just know mit and harvard are undergraduate feeders to quant

4 + 1 is solid for computational finance

[feral hornet]

yeah its my main plus for stanford

[median tree]

what are you majoring in @ stanford

[feral hornet]

i have to check the researchers and profs tho so we’ll see ab that

[feral hornet]

it’s pretty flexible

[median tree]

right since its all 1 college

[feral hornet]

i was planning either ms&e, data sci, econ, or math and then doing a cs or ms&e coterm

[median tree]

theres no departments

[median tree]

if u wanna be quant data science or math

probably the way2go

[urban charm]

Quant too much work

[median tree]

data science great field, i was talking about this with someone, but as ML/AI continue to uprise

[urban charm]

Go ib

Trust

[median tree]

data engineering just getting more and more important

[median tree]

the different is soft skills

[feral hornet]

LOLLL

[median tree]

PE/IB/VC/MBB are all reliant on soft skills that are impossible to teach

[urban charm]

Quant u gotta create new mathematical models of stuff

Ib u are just an excel monkey

[median tree]

yeah but some people are genuinely good at that stuff

true

[urban charm]

The dream 🤩🤩🤩

[feral hornet]

idk if i have the strength to deal with IB and the soul sucking private sector 💀💀💀

[urban charm]

Its so fun trust me

[feral hornet]

aka the fun part 😍

[urban charm]

I hear they let u buy $35 of dinner when ur pulling an all nighter in the office 😋😋

[feral hornet]

LOLLL

[urban charm]

Now that i think abt it, idk if i wanna do ib 😭

[feral hornet]

guys imagine a couple years down the line we’re all dealing in financial matters coincidentally together and we realize we know each other from the a2c discord server 💀💀💀

the new and improved alumni network

[feral hornet]

exactly

[median tree]

😂

[median tree]

i think i told u i dont even wanna do IB

[urban charm]

Ngl i was thinking abt that

[median tree]

a2c linkedin groupchat ☠️

[feral hornet]

like there has got to be an instance where that happened or will happen in the next couple of years

[urban charm]

When im a multi billionaire ill help u guys out dw

[feral hornet]

same here dw 😍

[median tree]

theres kids here going to harvard stanford (like you) mit

[urban charm]

Im going startup fuck ib

[median tree]

some of them are bound

to help each other

[feral hornet]

omg come to stanford with me

jkjk

[urban charm]

Yea my son has to help me @clever palm

[urban charm]

Rejected

I thought my stanny essays were so good but i realize now that they were fun, but not actually good

[feral hornet]

their loss frfr

[feral hornet]

no bc i still don’t know how stanfords admission office works bc the most talented and fun essays i’ve read got rejected

[urban charm]

Im coming back for an mba ‼️‼️

[feral hornet]

that wharton degree will get you further than a stanford mba just watch

lol jk idrk

i kind of want to do a phd program at stanford now that i realized ppl at the fed need phds 💀 (idk what i was thinking before tbh)

[urban charm]

Fed?

So just go penn undergrad stanny mba ez

[feral hornet]

federal reserve, particularly their economic modeling and forecasting team

[urban charm]

U wanna work there???

[feral hornet]

lowk yeah

it seems interesting

[urban charm]

U got too many options

[median tree]

interesting probably but the wage isnt too much

[urban charm]

Give me some ideas of what to do

[feral hornet]

LMAO

[median tree]

i googled it recently the director of the fed makes like 130k only

[feral hornet]

NO WAY

[median tree]

and he could probably be CEO of a major IB compnay

yea

[feral hornet]

NOT WITH A PHD AND EVERYTHING

WHAT

[urban charm]

Thats crazy

[feral hornet]

no wonder they have horrible forecasting policy issues

[median tree]

180k sorry but yeah

hes the chairman of nyc fed

[urban charm]

Does he live in dc too

NYC

[median tree]

nyc

[feral hornet]

no bc my interviewer for penn said that too. i literally said i want to do math, econ, international relations, and more and somehow i still got in

[urban charm]

bruh

[median tree]

yep

[urban charm]

Cost of living

[median tree]

with his experience and degree he could prolly make 1.5-2mil

as a partner at the buy side

[feral hornet]

yk emre maybe i will consider that ib route

[median tree]

keep ur options open always

alot of people change waht they wanna do

[urban charm]

Nononi

We go startup

[median tree]

my cousin was a 3rd year undergrad student who had all her med school reqs lined up

[urban charm]

Even more money trust

[median tree]

and she changed to IT

and had to stay in school for an extra 3 semesters

she realized the only reason she was in med school was because of her parents expectations

[feral hornet]

omg u go to penn i go to stanford and we can combine the prestige of both and work in startup

[median tree]

i hope ur guys startup goes to flames

[urban charm]

YES

[median tree]

i hope ur risk assessment analysts are the same as FTX

[urban charm]

u get the cs nerds

[feral hornet]

YES

[urban charm]

I get the econ nerds

[feral hornet]

you get the east coast old money connections i get west coast connections

[median tree]

i hope the SVB risk prevention associates are working for u guys

[urban charm]

Stanny penn hired exclusively

[feral hornet]

omg this honesty actually does make sense tho

[median tree]

i hope u guys fail and get annexed by my bank

[feral hornet]

HAHA

never

[urban charm]

@misty sandal new startup member

[median tree]

im UBS u guys are credit suisse

can u guys hire me after u start ur start up

im a year younger so u can develop the company before i take the CEO role.

u can warm my seat my CEO seat at the foot of the table @urban charm

[urban charm]

Hold on driving rn lol

Ill be back in 15

[median tree]

i really am the second coming of bill ackman.

[misty sandal]

startup is growing…

[proud storm]

sounds like stanford is the route to go ngl

you could always do a #954425230896545792 post

even if you get shit advice (which prob wont happen), writing it out may help you nail down exactly what is most important to you

[muted cosmos]

Doesn't Penn let you sub-matriculate to get a masters and bachelors in 4 years?

[median tree]

yus

i forgot the name of the program

[feral hornet]

yeah which i also really like but realistically the huntsman program is already difficult to finish in 4 years so idk if i’d be able to do that + submatriculate. i have to look into that a bit more

[idle tundra]

wtf does that mean

[median tree]

Auto acceptance into grad

[idle tundra]

wtf

thats so op

just wharton undergrad then gt into wharton mba

how do u "submatriculate"

[median tree]

Mba only exception

[idle tundra]

oh

wow

[median tree]

Anyway that’s useless Kim

Kom

MBA most useful with experience

[median tree]

Set of requirements, then you would have to talk to your academic advisor

When u sub matriculate you’re supposed to take a couple master courses during ur under grad

[idle tundra]

oh

[idle tundra]

true

[muted cosmos]

You can do it with other majors but it does require an application(which I’ve heard is pretty automatic as long as did well in classes and have decent LORs by professors there) + passing the graduate entrance exam.

[median tree]

yep

mba only school not allowed

[muted cosmos]

If I commit, I’m planning to double sub matriculate(already discussed this with the person who would be my advisor) in both math and physics(I have advanced standing in math coursework which would make it reasonable).

[muted cosmos]

Got it, I misinterpreted you.

[median tree]

that's absolutely sick, congratulations

at HMC would you go for grad?

a good thing about HMC is location

[muted cosmos]

Sorry, I don’t really understand your question?

[median tree]

u said u wanna do physics, JPL (caltech) is only 20 minutes away from the claremont colleges

[median tree]

would you do graduate school if you decided to attend hmc?

[muted cosmos]

I will either way since I plan to do a physics PhD

[median tree]

if ur at hmc, you could look into going to caltech for your masters since it's very close by

you probably wouldn't have to move in terms of housing either

[muted cosmos]

Yeah, Caltech was my ‘dream school’ and I will be trying to do my PhD there.

[median tree]

hmc might be a good opportunity then, since you can intern at the NASA JPL

which is at caltech

[median tree]

good goal, in terms of academia and research, a phd at cal tech would be unmatched

[urban charm]

What do u wanna do with a physics phd?

[muted cosmos]

I plan to go into academia or a national lab.

[median tree]

if u want to do academia and you go to penn, you could look at princeton

princeton's average endowment per student is slightly above 3 million, highest in the country

[faint basin]

Will you be starting college a year early?

[muted cosmos]

Most likely; I realized that would probably be better than waiting another year to try again.

[urban charm]

Why would u even try again bruh

U already got hmc and penn

[muted cosmos]

I was considering trying again for Caltech.

[urban charm]

Bruh

Just try caltech for grad school

Or maybe try transferring

[idle tundra]

😭😭 nah bruh ain’t no way bro gonna pass penn like that

That’s a violation and mad disrespect

[misty sandal]

yeah i’m probably doing that

masters in robotics and undergrad in cs in 4 years 🔥

[faint basin]

Ahh I see

[faint basin]

That's insane
Didn't know about it earlier

[clever palm]

congrats emre

I knew you could do it

[urban charm]

me if i was jealous:

[clever palm]

my son is great after all

[urban charm]

when r u gonna commit

6 days left

[clever palm]

Probably on the last day

idk

[urban charm]

bruh

have u gotten all ur fin aid packages?

[clever palm]

All but Cornell

heard they only give it to committed students which is dumb

[urban charm]

r u waiting on them to commit to harvard

[clever palm]

or at least they prioritize them

[clever palm]

Nah

[urban charm]

yu should have committed then withdrawn

[clever palm]

I could commit rn if I wanted to

[urban charm]

so y not

[clever palm]

idk

Committing rn feels wrong

[urban charm]

why lol

[clever palm]

That’s a good question

idk lol

I’ll commit soon

I just want to do it on the last day for some reason ig

[urban charm]

committing is such a nice feeling

its like getting accepted all over again

[misty sandal]

luck commit to penn

we can all room together

[urban charm]

FACTS @clever palm

me and my sons all side by side

[median tree]

Yea u guys can all wait for ur father to come next year

[misty sandal]

co24…

me luck and emre all sweep

[median tree]

https://tenor.com/view/straight-face-unfunny-stfu-gif-23291823

[clever palm]

I was slightly considering this a few days ago ngl

but if you were in my position you’d pick harvard too so uh yeah

I will not be meeting the a2c bros

[urban charm]

Probably lol

I dont think penn is lacking when compared to harvard, in terms of academics

But i think harvards a much more relaxed, happier place

But we do get another week off for winter break now so 🥶🥶

[clever palm]

yeah, definitely

h just better for me in my case, penn great tho

unless you’re in wharton 🥱🥱

[median tree]

what school did u get admitted into for penn

[clever palm]

CAS

[sturdy bobcat]

is it true that upenn doesnt care about legacy?

[oblique jasper]

no, false

they do care

but they are "trying" not to care in the next few years

[urban charm]

They are placing less importance on legacy?

[muted cosmos]

I’ve heard several people say that Penn’s math department is trash/terrible. Is this true? They also do have pretty poor rankings in math comparatively but rankings aren’t that useful.

[clever palm]

not many penn students here

You’d be better off asking on penn subreddit or a Penn specific server

[urban charm]

^

Want me to invite to penn server?

[muted cosmos]

I'm currrently on it, I just didn't want to ask that there.

[urban charm]

Why

Theyre very honest imo

[next oxide]

is ur waitlist update supposed to show up on ur portal because it disappeared after i submitted it

[urban charm]

You will get an email when waitlist updates come out

[next oxide]

i mean like ur LOCI, like do we get any confirmation that it’s received?

[urban charm]

Oh uhhh no idea

@low yacht @ancient apex either of u remember?

[low yacht]

I didn’t get any

[gloomy galleon]

it’s not

[gloomy galleon]

Robert Ghrist teaches most of Penn math

He’s quite good

[urban charm]

Upenn W

[median tree]

I’m committed to Penn but Penn isn’t committed to me

@urban charm

U do any research into the grays @ penn

Business frats

I was looking at them today

[urban charm]

Nope

[idle tundra]

im committed to u 😩

@urban charm wait dyk about the feastibility of applying a very uncommon major (more easy to get into) at upenn then switching majors

?

[urban charm]

depends on what school

but ur applying to each school anyway

[idle tundra]

like the schools at upenn or schools in generl

[urban charm]

so like lets say u wanna go wharton but apply to cas, thats basically impossible

[idle tundra]

|| wat cas||

[urban charm]

if u wanna go wharton u apply wharton

[idle tundra]

oh ok

so no shortcuts

[urban charm]

college of arts and sciences

nope

[idle tundra]

ok

@urban charm sorry to ping u again but do u think for profits is better or non profit is better for apps

i think i dont mind either

[urban charm]

as in charities?

definitely dont associate urself with a for profit charity lol

[idle tundra]

wait no not as in charities

for profits as in like

businesses

mb

[urban charm]

like a for profit business vs non profit charity?

or a non profit business?

for business schools go with for profit business

u want to be able to quantify your ecs

[idle tundra]

like a non profit organization?

cause the idea of "helping ppl" without like yk getting money but being able to reach people is good wouldnt u say

[idle tundra]

yeah ig

[urban charm]

Oh yea that would be good too

But i feel like for a business school application they wanna see u making money

[feral hornet]

helping the finance side of a small business also probably would work

thats what I had in my app and idk if that was what they had liked, but i think anything business related that shows initiative is rly good

[urban charm]

Fake

So fake

[feral hornet]

....

not my fault they rejected you

[urban charm]

WOWWWW

THAT IS JUST MEAN

[feral hornet]

hey

youre the one that called me fake

[urban charm]

I was gonna say find me a bunch of cs nerds but deal is sounding too good anymore…

[feral hornet]

....

i'll still remember you when i become a billionaire

dont worry

[urban charm]

Buddy

Ur gonna be the billionaire wishing they were a trillionaire like me

[feral hornet]

never

being a trillionaire is so unethical i could never subscribe to that

[urban charm]

Oh but being a billionaire is fine???

[feral hornet]

ofc!

[oblique jasper]

only from upenn

[gloomy galleon]

Anyone got their penn key email yet

[urban charm]

It drops 2pm i believe

[gloomy galleon]

I see

[gloomy galleon]

It has not dropped

[bitter carbon]

omg

[bitter carbon]

what is this advice below lmfao

they want a diverse class

it depends what you like better and what will have bigger impact

if you want to do the non profit do the non profit

most wharton kids didn't do much for profit work

most of them do like activism and political stuff and then come to wharton

honestly u don't even need to have a money hungry list of EC's

they want well-rounded, passionate people

everyone wants money and to sell out eventually

but who's gonna impact the world at least slightly more positively?

theres enough finance kids here -- they want cool people who will do cooler stuff to change the world someway somehow

[feral hornet]

exactly

like ik for me personally my interviewer made it a point to acknowledge the fact that i was into econ and policy more than just finance

i think also just showing your passions in any way possible — if it is in finance then that’s cool too — is what matters most. my ecs were garbage honestly, but i was committed to them for majority of my high school years and explained their importance in my essays. and i think that probably was relatively helpful for me in terms of getting in

[idle tundra]

So if I do both that’s fine IG

[urban charm]

Hey thats basically what i said stop roasting me

[idle tundra]

?

[urban charm]

Yes 😭

[median tree]

@urban charm

Bro ur tiktok was on my fyp

[urban charm]

did u like it

[median tree]

I liked it

[urban charm]

does ur tt name have money in it

[median tree]

No it’s literally my full name

It starts with my name

[urban charm]

o

go drop a comment

[median tree]

Ok done

I’m the one on the right

In my pfp

[urban charm]

very handsome 😽

[median tree]

Yes when I go to penn I’ll find my Habibi

Emre u need to scout out the MSA (Marriage Student Association)

[urban charm]

i need a harvard wife

my kids gotta have legacy somewhere

[median tree]

Harvard wife btw

The trinity only@marry between themselves

Gossip girls taught me that

[urban charm]

im a wharton man

every girl wants me\

[median tree]

cap princeton phd women don't want u 😠

they're in classrooms for like 15 years

emre how do u say finance

[urban charm]

in turkish?

[urban charm]

yes they do but like they cant understand their feelings

[median tree]

no in general

theres 2 ways to pronounce it

the correct way and the finance bro way

[urban charm]

whats the finance bro way

[median tree]

how do u say it.

[urban charm]

fee on say

[median tree]

??

u say it like beyonce?

[urban charm]

yes

[median tree]

ur actually trolling me

[urban charm]

wdym bruh

[median tree]

it's either

FIGH-Nance (normal person) or FUGH-Nance (FINANCE BRO)

[urban charm]

where is this coming from

i have never heard of a fugh nancre

[median tree]

Ur a fraud finance bro.

Bill ackman says Fugh Nance

u never seen the memes?

check tiktok

[urban charm]

idek who bill ackman is 😭

[median tree]

ur lying LOL

hes one of the most well known hedge fund portfolio managers

on wall street

[urban charm]

he looks like a bug

[median tree]

u should watch some of his videos or read about him he's cool

he does look like a bug yeah

hes worth like 3-4billion

u should aspire to be like him 💯

[urban charm]

nah hes kinda poor

3-4 billion isnt that much

im abt to be worth 300-400 billion

[median tree]

yeah when ur working for my company

(worth 9 trillion)

u can be my second in command

[urban charm]

other way around pal

[median tree]

we can agree on something

DG is gonna be our quant lead

[urban charm]

facts @misty sandal

[median tree]

did u find ur roommate yet

[urban charm]

nope

[median tree]

r u and dg rooming

o

[urban charm]

i think ill end up going random

finding a roommate is so awkward lmao

[median tree]

u dont wanna look?

yea i assume so u have to slide into like hundreds of dms

till u find one

and even then u might dislike them when u meet them irl

https://harnwell.house.upenn.edu/muslimliferp

also u might wanna look into this

[urban charm]

cant i gotta live at hill

bc of the joseph wharton scholars program

[median tree]

whats the incentives of the program