USC (2022-2023)

[timid forge]

Ill just have to work my way through the uc system

[brisk orbit]

❤️

K I’m gonna get some Taco Bell

[timid forge]

I didnt even apply comp sci to the ucs 😭 so I cant switch

[brisk orbit]

LMAO

[brisk orbit]

Noooo

[timid forge]

So I am desperate for an ivy or t10 acceptance

[brisk orbit]

I believe in u

[timid forge]

I shotgunned them all

The good news is that a lot of pressure will be taken off me if I dont get money

I dont have to try nearly as hard to maintain a’s

And usc doesnt even rescind

Unless you have d’s or below

If I dont get into ucla im probs gonna go to usc anyways lol

Just full tuition 🤷‍♀️

[young ivy]

for the ucs i applied for game design related stuff to boost my rates up not sure if it will work :’)

[lime salmon]

Ouch

[timid forge]

Yeah im gonna be forced to do cognitive science at berkeley which I genuinely dont wanna do

[lime salmon]

What’s wrong with cogsci

[timid forge]

At ucla I can at least switch to data sci

I wanna do comp sci 🤷

[lime salmon]

Lmao u didn’t apply CS tho

[timid forge]

I just applied cog sci to them bc I thought I wouldnt get anywhere else

[lime salmon]

Damn

[timid forge]

Nope, but no regrets at least I can do comp sci at usc

Switching to viterbi is easy and dornsife has a cs plus physics major anyways

[lime salmon]

That’s true

I wouldn’t count ur eggs until they hatch tho lmaoo

[timid forge]

Wdym doe ??

[lime salmon]

Unless u got in

To usc ea

[timid forge]

I got in

Yeah

For dornsife

[lime salmon]

Oh lmao niceeeee

That’s great

Yea ur gonna bite the bullet on usc for sho

[timid forge]

Im really hoping for money since 80k a year for a usc degree… ehh not the happiest with

Would rather spend that on an ivy or t10 but

[lime salmon]

Yea you’ll get $

[timid forge]

Hopefully 🙏

[lime salmon]

USC Trojan network is supposed to be unmatched

But my cousin just graduated from Marshall and can’t find a job lol

[timid forge]

Oof

Not many opportunities at marshall tho

[lime salmon]

Marshall + Virtibu

[timid forge]

Ohh shit

Viterbi + marshall is op how is he not able to find a job?

[lime salmon]

I have no clue

[timid forge]

Did he do cs?

[lime salmon]

No

Applied analytics

[timid forge]

Ohh that makes sense it should be achievable to land a faang job out of usc comp sci

[desert ice]

Oh by the way I dont have that travel stipend thing

[timid forge]

Ohh makes sense

[desert ice]

So it must mean something

[timid forge]

Domestic?

[desert ice]

Yes

[timid forge]

Oh weird

Are u um white?

[desert ice]

Nah hehe

[timid forge]

Apparently its for minorities(???)

[desert ice]

Hm ig we will just find out soon

Anyone know a tome

Time

[timid forge]

Probs 4-5

[brisk orbit]

Yea I assume 4-5 because that’s the range they released EA decisions in

[brisk orbit]

At UCLA it’s called “Data Theory” which is a bit more introductory than pure Data Sci but it’s comparable

[timid forge]

Ucla even has cs plus linguistica

And mathematics of computation

But i dont have a perfect 4.0 lol so

No way ucla’s gonna happen

[brisk orbit]

USC’s data science program u have to apply for during spring of freshman year which is kind of annoying but it allows u to graduate with two degrees

It’s open to any Dornsife major so I’d recommend doing it if u end up going

You get a BA in Data Science + Bachelor’s in your original Dornsife major

[timid forge]

I am probs gonna switch into viterbi if I land up in usc

[brisk orbit]

How easy is it to switch schools

[timid forge]

People tell me that no one who tried failed

And you can do it within 1st semester

I do think they made the reqs harder now a little

Instead of bs in three core classes

You need b+s

For cs

[brisk orbit]

That’s surprising since they admit by school and the rates are quite different

[timid forge]

I know ig thats the benefits of going to a private school

[brisk orbit]

Well other private schools I think it’s harder? Like Penn

[timid forge]

At penn its easy to switch into seas but near impossible to switch into wharton

[signal patrol]

how about getting into seas first year

[timid forge]

Yeah its as hard to get penn seas as cas

Both near fucking impossible

However dornsife is achievable

And viterbi is harder

[high pilot]

bruh is it not gonna come out?

[green jewel]

nothing yet…

[severe field]

Same

[green jewel]

fuck

[high pilot]

same

lmao

[signal condor]

Anyone here got a schollie?

[wintry cosmos]

Holy shit

You guys

I got selected as a finalist for trustee and presidential

[lime salmon]

AYeeee congrats!!

[green jewel]

congrats!!!!

[low sluice]

W

[timid forge]

Same😭

interview time :)))

[copper laurel]

I also got selected as a finalist for trustee and presidential

But if i don't get one of these, will i not get the smaller ones either

[wintry cosmos]

yepp

[wintry cosmos]

No you’ll probably get something for sure

[copper laurel]

Damn thanks

[crisp halo]

Congratulations to all the interviewees!

[copper laurel]

Thank you! Do you have any experience with them?

[crisp halo]

I personally havent, however I can answer any questions that you may have about the process :)

[wintry cosmos]

thanks for all your help kiley!

[wintry cosmos]

@crisp halo had a q

is the Mork family scholarship still active at USC

and if so, then how do we apply for it?

because in the email i received it says i'm being considered for trustee and presidential

[crisp halo]

Unfortunately I don’t think that scholarship is active anymore. If it is, that is completely separate from admissions and the scholarship interviews that you will be conducting for the trustee and presidential scholarships

[wintry cosmos]

ahh okay oof

thanks tho

[crisp halo]

Sorry I don’t have all that info!!

Best of luck on your interview though :)

[wintry cosmos]

no worries, you've helped enough lol

[wintry cosmos]

thanks!

[copper laurel]

Do you know what I should expect for the interview? And it says 'video interview' in my email, so does that mean it'll not be with an actual person and instead be something like those pre-recorded questions ones

[crisp halo]

It will be live! Just over zoom. Your interviewer just wants to get to know you better in a way that they can’t necessarily see just in your transcript or essays. Just be yourself!

[copper laurel]

They specifically said it isn't on zoom though, instead it's on their custom portal or something. Thank you though !

[manic fulcrum]

SUP

I GOT USC DEANS

KINDA COOL

considering my EA apps were all MUCHB worse than RD i am inda happy

[keen nova]

They said zoom

[keen nova]

Congratulations

[wintry cosmos]

Ayyy lfggggg

[manic fulcrum]

congrats u guys

[wintry cosmos]

Nah

[manic fulcrum]

these seem so cool,

[wintry cosmos]

The email says it’s their own platform

[manic fulcrum]

usc is such a W platform

[wintry cosmos]

Well at least for viterbi

[keen nova]

In mine they said zoom

[manic fulcrum]

i hope you guys all do really well

[wintry cosmos]

Which school

[keen nova]

In brackets

[manic fulcrum]

for your presidential and trustee scholarship interviews

it seems so scary

[keen nova]

Dornsife / Viterbi

[manic fulcrum]

good luck guys

[wintry cosmos]

Viterbi said their own platform

[manic fulcrum]

anyone else ride the niche major wave?

[wintry cosmos]

Maybe dornsife is doing zoom

[keen nova]

Thank you

Possible

[crisp halo]

y'all got this!! if theres anything I can do to help/any info you would like I'm always around :)

(also come to admitted students day so i can give u a tour hehe)

[wintry cosmos]

i would love to but international 😔

[crisp halo]

sad day

[copper laurel]

I'm international too 😞

[crisp halo]

pain

sadness

dispair

melancholy

[copper laurel]

Haha, USC is also the only uni that might give me scholly so I'm atleast grateful for that

[crisp halo]

we love usc scholarships

[copper laurel]

Btw is the intl community at USC as it's stereotyped to be?

Or is it different

[crisp halo]

idk what stereotypes you've heard, but we do have a very strong intl community here. about 15% of our undergrads are international students!

[tender pier]

help my first interview ever is gonna be for usc merit 😭

any tips?

[lime salmon]

check pins in #💋-interviews ..
in particular check my pin

[crisp halo]

be yourself! We want to learn about you in ways beyond your transcript and essays :)

[tender pier]

thank you both!

[copper laurel]

Like here, it's thought of as very elitist, and a bit spoiled(?). Though my experience with USC students has been different in general.

[signal patrol]

ah shit

[crisp halo]

There are definitely going to be those types of people who come from wealthy families and have those luxuries. however, 2/3 of our student population is on some type of financial aid, so there are definitely more people who are just regular people like you and I than the "spoiled children" stereotype

[copper laurel]

That sounds reasonable, it's good that USC fosters such a diverse community!

[wintry cosmos]

India?

Yep lmao

Thought of a rich kid school

“University of spoiled children - USC”

But well I think those children go to annenberg or the film school usually

[copper laurel]

yeah

[signal patrol]

yess lol

cuz not many can afford it

[signal condor]

Yessir!

[signal condor]

Same

[signal condor]

And same, especially the extracurricular descriptions… those were horrendous

[timid forge]

I did

[timid forge]

Yeah got deans too

[signal condor]

It’s not bad it’s just not worth the cost for me

My in state university is ranked pretty much just as high and will cost me little to nothing

Unless the March schools hit…

[timid forge]

U shotgunned t20s?

Also u in cali?

The thing with usc is that

I can switch to cs + viterbi really easily here

I applied cog sci to all my schools to have easier admission

Including ucs

[wintry cosmos]

same

[timid forge]

But actuLly want to do cs

[wintry cosmos]

not shotgunned actually

but yes only T15s 💀

[wintry cosmos]

what major are u rn

cog sci?

[timid forge]

I applied to all t20s except mit caltech Nd columbua

[timid forge]

Cog sci primary enviro studies secondary

[wintry cosmos]

my school has a 12 college limit so i just did T12 💀

[timid forge]

OOF lol

Ngl

Usc for me takesprescidence

Over notre dame

And even vanderbilt

I just applied to notre dame bc the penn rejection made me fearful that I wont get in anywhere good

[stone spoke]

Schools have limits for colleges ??

[timid forge]

And wustl id rather go to usc over wustl

[wintry cosmos]

mine does yeah

and a lot of top schools in my country do as well

anywhere bw a 10-15 college limit

[timid forge]

Well usc vs vanderbilt will be a tough call

If it comes down to that

At ucla I can finnese my way into a cs adjacent field

So id probs pick ucla over usc just bc of the cost

Ooh and idk about rice vs usc

If it comes down to that

[stone spoke]

where u from?

[wintry cosmos]

india

[stone spoke]

i am too but idk any schools that such a limit

how do they even keep a check ?

[wintry cosmos]

Quite a few top schools like

DAIS JPIS to name a couple

[wintry cosmos]

The counselor can see the common app list

Cuz they’re invited to see which colleges their recommendation is going to

[signal condor]

Nnr my state school is t30 and free so I shotgunned t5s and applied to a select few other t30s

[timid forge]

Ic ic im in cali

The thing is at usc ican major in cs

While in berk or ucla i cant

[signal condor]

Nah if you’re in Cali it def makes sense to go

Because pretty much aside from berk and ucla (Besides Stanford and some of those lacs) the other schools in cal aren’t as good

It just doesn’t make sense for me to go since my state school is pretty much usc tier, and I’d get to study what I want, and it’s pretty much free

[manic fulcrum]

USC w school

fr

fr

frfr

[signal condor]

It def is, it’s just expensive

And there are other w schools

[stone spoke]

oh well yeah

[young notch]

they only send transcripts to 12 schools

so if we apply to more than that they just wont send it

and yell at you

make u withdraw maybe..

but some people tried to be smart and say they only applied to 1 uc and then applied to a bunch of them

bc sending transcript to one uc goes to all i guess

[stone spoke]

u dont send transcript to uc

[young notch]

oh

well lors or something i dont know

whatever theyre supposed to send

[stone spoke]

schools dont send anything to ucs

[narrow mortar]

you forgot caltech

best schools in ca are Caltech, Berkeley, Stanford, UCLA, USC (debatable due to suspicious YP). UCSD and HMC for CS, Pomona for Econ

[lime salmon]

UCSD!!

[timid forge]

cmc for econ?

[narrow mortar]

idk about its prestige but cmc and pomona are both decent for econ i think

[timid forge]

Whas yp?

[signal condor]

My B lol

I often forget schools like mit, caltech, and CMU Bc I’m not a stem kid 💀

[south shale]

ayo what rating are u chess if u dont mind

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[signal condor]

Like 1000 uscf 1200 chess.com

Not very high but I literally just started

[south shale]

Cool cool

play on lichess

Lmao

only advice

im 2300 lc bullet 2000 lc blitz and idk what my rapid is probably in the middle of the two

No established USCF or FIDE

[brisk orbit]

i also play on lichess

and will also say lichess is better

[brisk orbit]

that rating gap = too much bullet

I should know

[south shale]

Meh

I basically only play bullet

other time controls are not exciting to me I wont lie

Im stronger rapid than blitz though

blitz is like the exact wrong amount of time for me

[brisk orbit]

Higher rapid rating on lichess =/= stronger at rapid than blitz

I took a hiatus from bullet and now I’m so slow

[south shale]

whats ur ratings for the two?

i feel like people exaggerate rapid rating inflation vs blitz

on lc

[brisk orbit]

2400 bullet 2340 blitz and rapid

[brisk orbit]

Maybe but there is a bit

Blitz is the most played after all

[south shale]

idk

the most beginners play rapid

since theyre afraid of low time

which is natural

but still

[south shale]

u have chess related ecs?

my ecs are basically a barren wasteland but at least im varsity chess team captain

[brisk orbit]

Yea

I also wrote about chess in my 10 minute essay for usc LOL

[signal condor]

I suck at bullet and blitz

[south shale]

Haha no obligation to be good at them

Just play whatever is the most fun for you

[signal condor]

Ong

Maybe when I become better I’ll also become quicker

I’ll see tho

[brisk orbit]

Prob better to stick to long games

[wooden dome]

yessir

also cuz of free puzles

i hate the chess.com paywall

[timid forge]

BEN!!!!

[timid forge]

IVE BEEN AKSING BAEN

IF I WOULD GET USC SCHOLARSHIP

HE SAID NO (twice) AND I GOT DEANS LOL

THEN I AKSED HIM IF IM GRTTING INTO T20 and he said no 😭

[wooden dome]

💀

talking ben a big capper

[wintry cosmos]

This is a sign

[signal condor]

Ye for now I’m def sticking to long games

I don’t have the acumen for short games as yet

The recent chess explosion is what drove me to start playing

It started like a month ago I think…?

So I’ve went to three open tournaments so far and played in those

And then chess.com

My peak on chess.com was just above 1400

[signal condor]

Yessir Dean’s gang

I love how on the email they specified the exact number

15,800 dollars per year 🤓

[weak walrus]

so no updates for usc

just deferral form and pray

man

i wish i couljd just give them ecs to make up for my mid year

[tranquil vortex]

What’s good in the hood guys?

[terse juniper]

how do i prep for merit scholarship interview?

if i get rejected from trustee/presidential will i still get national merit half scholarship if im nmf

[twilit citrus]

I just submitted the form to be considered RD

Totally forgot to do that after my EA deferral

It said to do so by Feb 1st but I was too sad from my deferral so I closed the tab and forgot 😢

Idk if they're still gonna consider me RD

[signal condor]

U should find and ask a current student that went through the process on ZeeMee

[signal condor]

Pretty much, so the only thing of value to you is the trustee scholarship

[terse juniper]

Thank you!

[south shale]

USC has scholarship for national merit finalist?

did I have to do anything

[terse juniper]

No just apply ea I think

[signal condor]

Actually, as long as you’re a national merit finalist and end up enrolling, you get the half scholarship

[south shale]

bruh

free money

[livid crypt]

Did you try calling them about it? If you explain the situation, they're usually pretty accomodating

[twilit citrus]

I was able to submit the form just fine

It’s just that the deferral letter said to send it by Feb 1

[cursive swan]

can someone reference me to what the codes mean for housing

for example on the cale and irani whats the difference between 2b2p-sm and 2b3p-sgle

[low sluice]

i suggest you have a look at the floor plans/3d renders to find out what exactly the rooms are like

usually they are subtle differences

[low sluice]

here's what you're looking for

[stable spear]

cant wait to look at stanford rooms for us!!

[low sluice]

if you say stuff like this and only you get accepted i will cry 🥹

[brisk orbit]

How do I view my estimated cost? Got an email from fin aid saying I don’t qualify for need-based aid, but on USC FAST, I don’t see any estimated cost of attendance

[gleaming saffron]

u got usc tho

[low sluice]

if you haven’t gotten any merit scholarships and don’t qualify for need-based, i’m assuming full pay

[gleaming saffron]

imagine expecting to get in to stanford

couldn’t be me

[low sluice]

my interviewer ghosted me 😭

[charred laurel]

for stanford?

[low sluice]

and yes i got usc and i’m super happy about it but i’ll need to pay the sticker price bc im intl, and idk if i can afford that

[low sluice]

yes

maybe she just missed my reply so i’ve sent a follow up anyways

[charred laurel]

how long has it been

[low sluice]

about 2.5 days

[charred laurel]

hm, i wouldn't let it drag on since the "interview period will soon end" - alumni interview office

i got my interview after contacting them and they said the interview period is coming to an end

[low sluice]

yeah, we were supposed to have an interview either today or tmr

my classmate has the same interviewer and his interview is next monday

so let’s hope i can squeeze one in by then

[charred laurel]

gl

[low sluice]

thanks

i’m gonna need it 🙏

[low sluice]

oh nvm she just replied lmfao

timing

5pm today W

[charred laurel]

👍

[crisp halo]

hi besties

here briefly if you have any questions

anything about transfer apps (due today), interview questions, anything at all about student life imma be here for a bit to chat :)

[charred laurel]

On my Financial Statement, my current and Intended US visas are blank, should I be worried about this?

[crisp halo]

financial aid is separate from my office so I don't know that answer directly, however I know they are currently combing through thousands of documents so I wouldn't be too worried about it. If you submitted your current visa/noted the USC visa you should be fine :)

[charred laurel]

im not sure if I submitted it. If they don't have it and wanna accept me, will my regional AO contact me via email for it?

[crisp halo]

do you currently have an E2, H2, or L2 visa?

[charred laurel]

Nope, I intend to go on L2

[crisp halo]

ah okay. so unfortunately I'm not super well versed in international applicants, so I would recommend reaching out to your admissions counselor and confirming with them

[charred laurel]

👍

[crisp halo]

sorry I couldnt be more help! good luck!

[brisk orbit]

i got the deans scholarship, so do i just have to manually subtract it from the estimated cost? online they only have it for 22-23, not 23-24

[signal condor]

It’s 15,800 dollars exactly and a quarter scholarship

So multiply that number by 3 and that’s how much you’re paying

[brisk orbit]

i mean the estimated sticker price

including everything

[signal condor]

Oh like after everything?

[brisk orbit]

yea, don't colleges typically send you like a cost

i've seen some for other schools

[gleaming saffron]

better than me

[signal condor]

I didn’t get one from usc

[brisk orbit]

yea i expected it to be the "financial aid summary in mid-february" that they were talking about

but i dont see it in the fast portal

[mental copper]

Does USC have a deadline for when to submit midyear reports?

[kind lily]

they look at them?

[signal condor]

Ye

[cursive swan]

if we got national merit finalist and put usc as our school is there anythign else we need to do

or will usc notify us about that

[signal condor]

Ye but

U committed alr?

[cursive swan]

no

i just wanna know if they know i got national merit finalist or like if i have to tell them

lol

[signal condor]

U gotta select them

[cursive swan]

yeah i did in the national merit portal

but

is there anything else to do

[signal condor]

Commit

[signal condor]

On the USC portal u gotta accept ur spot

[cursive swan]

im not gonna commit yet lmao im waiting on other schools

does this mean the room is supposed to have 2 or 3 people

bc if you look at the floorplan it has 3 beds but under "occupancy" it says 2-person

[low sluice]

2 bedrooms 3 people

but when you apply for this specific one, you’re opting to be one of the 2 people who share a room

so two-person

[livid crypt]

you dont have to do anything, they know automatically

[south ruin]

damn u got in?

which major did u do?

[cursive swan]

ME

[south ruin]

whats me lol?

[low sluice]

probably mechanical engineering

[south ruin]

ah fair

damn

is that competitive at usc?

more competitive than business?

[low sluice]

probably not as competitive as marshall but viterbi’s AR this time (EA) was like 4% or smth

it’s very competitive nonetheless

[south ruin]

wth

ye i think marshal is slightly easier 🥲

[wintry cosmos]

2.7%

I checked at the admitted students event

15k+ apps and 410 admits

[versed quail]

what was Marshall’s ea acceptance rate

[daring cape]

what are the chances of getting into marshall

[heavy mural]

Everyone here applying to Marshall huh🤣

[daring cape]

but honestly how good is even marshall? i mean compared to say Kelley or McDonough or smth

[earnest glade]

i am also a marshallian

[wintry cosmos]

marshall>>kelley prestige wise for sure

compared to mcdonough, idk

[daring cape]

and in terms of quality of education?

[wintry cosmos]

well I wouldn’t know since I haven’t studied at either

[signal condor]

Definitely better than McDonough too. Georgetown’s prestige comes from the college and Walsh. McDonough is very mid

[earnest glade]

i am an alumni donor

🧨

[signal condor]

Lol

@daring cape spec rankings and job placement stats. If you consider those together, then I’d say USC is right after NYU and the Ivy+ Schools (Penn, Harvard, Stanford, Chicago, Northwestern, etc.) and at the tier of public ivies like UCLA and UMich. Cal is probably Ivy Tier tho.

[daring cape]

ohh, thanks

[crimson lark]

did anyone fill out the usc tax file thingi

[south ruin]

u know marshall's %?

[cursive swan]

damn seems yall are competitive af

crazy

[wintry cosmos]

Nope

These numbers were at a viterbi admitted student even

[south ruin]

ah

[south ruin]

ye

cuz population is rising at a much faster rate than the infrastructures of unis can keep up with

[daring cape]

true business kid right there

[earnest glade]

if yall are real ones

withdraw your app

(please)

[old gust]

Ok I’ll do it

[earnest glade]

W

[south ruin]

lol

man should be honored

he sacrificed himself for our greater good

[timid forge]

what if someone withdraws their application, but they ended up being the kid with a 400 SAT and 2.9 GPA.

[cursive swan]

if we had a new award/achievement how would i notify usc

by email??

[cursive swan]

nvm im dumb lol for some reason i thought i needed to update them

[misty cedar]

how competitive was viterbi last year?

[narrow mortar]

usc not much better than iu, even adjusted for size of bschool

[signal condor]

Stern actually goes crazy

[twilit citrus]

Kelley is probably the best safety school as far as acceptance rate vs placement

Of any major

[signal condor]

Job placement is only one facet of things though, and you have to consider that there might be differences between the strength of a business school and of a business undergrad program

[twilit citrus]

Or any career path

[twilit citrus]

True, and Kelley placement is only excellent for IBW kids

Still okay outside of IBW but not amazing

[narrow mortar]

true

[earnest glade]

Kelley is mid

[narrow mortar]

stern is likely so represented because nyu has so many students

[earnest glade]

Expensive as shit

[narrow mortar]

iu isn't badly priced

being a public

[twilit citrus]

They give out scholarships like candy

OOS is like 50k a year but with scholarships it comes down quite a bit

[earnest glade]

i got a

[narrow mortar]

it's far better bang for your buck compared to usc and vandy whether you're oos or in state

[earnest glade]

1k per semester

deans scholarship

from iu

🔥 🔥

[signal condor]

Agreed

[twilit citrus]

Literally everyone at Stern wants to do NYC finance

Vs other business schools where people go to learn how to run their family biz or start their own or work as a VP at some medium/small company

[wintry cosmos]

That data ain’t very trustworthy fyi

Peak frameworks sources data from LinkedIn headlines

But yeah Kelley has good placements as well

But Marshall’s prestige is def a notch above

[wintry cosmos]

Also compare the number of students at Kelley vs Marshall lol

The data just shows placements numbers, not the placement rate

[narrow mortar]

yes, but there isn't much other sources for data than that

[wintry cosmos]

yeah true

[narrow mortar]

unless you plan to query an employment database

[wintry cosmos]

But as a general prestige ranking or placement ranking, WSO has some pretty good posts

[narrow mortar]

ofc

[wintry cosmos]

Undergraduate Target Schools Tier List (2021 Updates) | Wall Street Oasis

https://www.wallstreetoasis.com/forum/school/undergraduate-target-schools-tier-list-2021-updates

This one’s good

[narrow mortar]

I agree with most of these. and it is surprising that usc's placements are not that great despite the influentials' children going there

[wintry cosmos]

yeah true

[narrow mortar]

it might be because many of those students' parents aren't with backgrounds in finance

and rather development/real estate, actor, or general socialite/inherited wealthy

[south ruin]

marshall ranked in top 10 of business undergrad on us news

I think

kelley also roughly same rank

but i think marshall is slightly higher

[crisp halo]

this is true

[south ruin]

ye

but in poets and quads ranking

marshall is still in top 10 (I think)

but kelley dropped to 17 so

im not sure lol

[south ruin]

lol slight W

[south ruin]

fr

[narrow mortar]

i'm anti usnews

their rankings don't play out irl

[south ruin]

lol

i mean fair enough

[narrow mortar]

it's more like a ranking of perceived prestige

[south ruin]

some ranking of theirs are a bit shitty

[south ruin]

ig so lol

i was surprised too when i saw kelley top 8 for bus

with iu being out of top 50

[hazy sorrel]

BYU being above us is upsetting

[wintry cosmos]

lol for business and finance

US news rankings don't mean jack shit 🤣

all you should see is placements

the placement ranking is the real ranking

[daring cape]

couldnt agree more. im probably gonna end up there tbh

[twilit citrus]

It's really a great option for finance. For the right price at least

[daring cape]

idk for which business major specifically but if you look at finance undegrad, usc aint on t12 but kelley is no 7

[daring cape]

ya, i was really keen on ut austin too but got rejected

[twilit citrus]

I should have applied to Austin

Ran out of common app spots though

[daring cape]

you couldve done it from the ut portal

[twilit citrus]

That's true

But then I have to get recommendations in again separately

[daring cape]

my school only allows us to send 12 apps, so i kept kelley and like 2 unis as safety. rest were all overambitious and dream

[daring cape]

ahh ya big hassle..still i mean its wrth it for a place like austin id say

[twilit citrus]

Probably. Or I could have just not applied to Northeastern 💀

[twilit citrus]

How is your school able to limit how many you can apply to? 12 is reasonable, but still it's not really fair to restrict it like that

[daring cape]

idk, they just have a policy. like the school controls all the transcripts and stuff right so for usa they dont allow more than 12

[wintry cosmos]

inb4 we're from the same school

even my school limits us to 12 lol

so i didn't do any safeties 💀

[twilit citrus]

When you say no safeties, what's the "easiest" school you applied to?

[wintry cosmos]

UCSD

[twilit citrus]

God damn

In state?

[wintry cosmos]

i'm intl

😭

[twilit citrus]

Wtf 💀

[wintry cosmos]

literally indian

[wary basin]

[twilit citrus]

Let me guess

Comp sci

[wintry cosmos]

no no lmfao

[daring cape]

that’s a lil risky tho i mean at least 2-3 shud be schools u will 100% get into

[wintry cosmos]

econ

[twilit citrus]

Thank fuck lmao

[wintry cosmos]

nah tbh i would be fine staying in india

[daring cape]

well in that case ig it’s ok

[wintry cosmos]

yea

mine was more like a

go big or go home cuz i aint shelling out 350k for lower ranked places

[twilit citrus]

A bunch of targets is honestly fine though. If you applied to 12 targets and reaches odds are you'll snag at least a couple

[wintry cosmos]

for us indians it's 3 crore bruh 💀

[twilit citrus]

Assuming you're qualified

[daring cape]

ya fair

[wintry cosmos]

is ucsd a target for econ

or a reach

[wary basin]

Isn't there a couple schools in India that are almost impossible to get into

[wintry cosmos]

yeah

IITs

not just a couple

there are quite a few across india

[wary basin]

How does that work

[twilit citrus]

It's a UC

So literally just a lottery

[wintry cosmos]

there's a national entrance exam

called the JEE

[daring cape]

IIM, IIT,

[twilit citrus]

Neither target nor reach. Just good luck

[wintry cosmos]

probably toughest/2nd toughest in the world after Gaokao

[wintry cosmos]

lol makes sense

[wary basin]

So 1 test just decides your future

[wintry cosmos]

yes

💀

depending on ur rank in it u get assigned colleges

[wary basin]

That's scary wtf

[wintry cosmos]

that's for the science people tho

[daring cape]

yep. basically. people literally quit school to prepare for that test for 2 years

[wintry cosmos]

some people prepare from 6th grade lol

[wary basin]

Is it general subjects or how is it

[wintry cosmos]

some even from childhood

[wintry cosmos]

nah it's physics chem math

for admission to a variety of courses in engineering, cs, physics etc

[twilit citrus]

It kinda makes sense in a fucked up way though. How else to stand out in a country of 1.?billion ppl

[wary basin]

🙈

[daring cape]

there is this place called Kota in india which is literally built only and only to prepare for JEE. the entire city has nth but training centres

[twilit citrus]

Especially with income inequality

Education can kinda equalize

[wintry cosmos]

yeah and there are multiple suicides every week

[daring cape]

yep

[wintry cosmos]

they literally installed grills in the dorms to prevent suicides

but students found ways anyway 💀

quite sad

[wary basin]

bro wha

[wintry cosmos]

yeah its fucked up lol

[wary basin]

So many simple things we take for granted here in us

Goddamn

[wintry cosmos]

but thankfully there's also other colleges

that are maybe just as good as IITs

not as prestigious

but definitely good

and they have a different admission process

[wary basin]

Will u be taking the test

[wintry cosmos]

nope

it's mainly for those inclined towards engineering/cs/physics science typa stuff

i'm an econ dude lol

[wary basin]

Ah ok

[wintry cosmos]

@daring cape what's ur major

[wintry cosmos]

btw our school even makes us pay 20k to just send this stuff to the 12 colleges 💀

[twilit citrus]

INR? Or usd?

[wintry cosmos]

its fucked

[wintry cosmos]

INR lmfaooo

if it was USD i would sue the school

[twilit citrus]

Was boutta say

That's still like 200 tho

[wintry cosmos]

yeah it's annoying

especially when they're restricting us to 12

[wary basin]

Do they monitor you or some shit

[wintry cosmos]

monitor in what sense

[wary basin]

How do they know you only applied to 12

[twilit citrus]

They would have counselor access

[wintry cosmos]

oh so they're listed as counselors for our app right

so tey can see the colleges

[wary basin]

Ohhhh yeah

[wintry cosmos]

that the recs are going to

i tried to trick em lmao

applied to CMU after all recs were sen

they found out

[daring cape]

our schools send all the recs and transcripts and everything

[wintry cosmos]

made me withdraw

within 2 days of submitting

💀

$100 + work on 3 essays wasted

[twilit citrus]

Damn

[wary basin]

Damn they keep tabs on everyone

[wintry cosmos]

yah fr

[daring cape]

bro my school doesn’t make us pay just to apply. idk why ur school does that

[brisk orbit]

13 is unlucky so they were saving you from misfortune

[wintry cosmos]

its messed up

💀

[daring cape]

oh and my major is finance

[wary basin]

U pay the school and the app fee

Crazy

[daring cape]

@wintry cosmos

[wintry cosmos]

ahhnice

[twilit citrus]

How did they make you withdraw tho

[wintry cosmos]

yeah even i'm econ/finance at msot places

[twilit citrus]

Like what'd they threaten?

[wintry cosmos]

not sending mid year report

[daring cape]

idk why his school makes them do that. for me i only pay the app feee

[wintry cosmos]

to any of my colleges

[twilit citrus]

Shiiiit

[wintry cosmos]

yeah i had no choice oof

[wary basin]

What if you emailed the college saying they not sending ur stuff 😭

[wintry cosmos]

if it was the US maybe i'd sue em but this is india 😂

[twilit citrus]

Tbh 12 schools is pretty reasonable, though a little arbitrary

[wintry cosmos]

maybe that could work

slight chance

but didn't wanna take the risk of screwing up allmy apps

[daring cape]

by the time your case gets a hearing you will be on your deathbed

[wintry cosmos]

for one extra college

[wintry cosmos]

💀 fr

[wary basin]

True

Where did u end up applying

[daring cape]

i wouodve preferred 15

[wintry cosmos]

i just went all out lol

6 ivys, 6 other T15s

[wary basin]

Go big or go home

[wintry cosmos]

thankfully UCs arent considered in our 12 college limit

otherwise i wouldnt even be doing SD 💀

[daring cape]

for me it’s 1 ivy, 8 t15 and rest safety

[young notch]

wait wtf we didnt have that💀

why are yall paying

thats dumb

[wintry cosmos]

idek man

[young notch]

doesnt basicallt everyone apply us only

[wintry cosmos]

everyone except me jus rich

so they're like

fuck it who cares

no one protests it

for fear of seeming "cheap"

[wintry cosmos]

not exactly

1/2 of our indian curriculum doesnt apply

[young notch]

when u say it in usd it sounds less but in INR its like wtf

[daring cape]

the band wagon effect and peer pressure is mad in our schools

[wintry cosmos]

full IB applies + 1/2 indian

[young notch]

oh right

[wintry cosmos]

yea fr

[young notch]

assumed u were ib

[wintry cosmos]

nah lol ISC

[young notch]

ISC to USC

nice

[daring cape]

cricket u in mumbai?

[wintry cosmos]

🤣

[wintry cosmos]

yep

[daring cape]

imma pc u

[wintry cosmos]

shore

[south ruin]

ic ic

is kelley that prestigious then?

cuz rn i got into purdue and iu bloomington (both for business)

purdue for bus analytics

iu for bsb (bach science for bus)

is kelley better?

[stone spoke]

no ....

not for non ivyies

[stone spoke]

toughest is upsc

[wintry cosmos]

tru

[wintry cosmos]

doubt

JEE generally regarded as tougher

but eh at that level

pretty much doesnt matter

ain't gonna crack either

[stone spoke]

no upsc's rate is less actually

[stone spoke]

its 2cr max for public schools

[stone spoke]

yeah true

jee is a rat race

[wintry cosmos]

but then again

i wouldn't get the STEM OPT

because i'm an econ major

at most public schools, econ is not STEM classified

[stone spoke]

why tf are they charging u to

[wintry cosmos]

so lowkey pointless

[stone spoke]

apply to colleges

[stone spoke]

u can do the bsc in econ

then u can get stem opt

in ucla econ is a stem degree afaik

[wintry cosmos]

yes

i applied UCLA

but UCLA also comes out to roughly 70k bro

[stone spoke]

yeah true

[wintry cosmos]

for 4 year's that's 280k, which is definitely upwards of 2 crore

[stone spoke]

2.3 cr yeah

but i mean ucla might be worth it

[wintry cosmos]

yeh true

[daring cape]

compared to purdue for business i’d say yes. and in kelley if i’m not wrong you can take analytics as a minor right? not sure but smth you can do. in my honest opinion kelley is better than purdue. i didn’t apply to purdue for this very reason

[south ruin]

ye

ok ok

ic thanks

are we all business kids here?

[thick gorge]

Viterbi applicant here

[south ruin]

ic

[wintry cosmos]

im business but in viterbi lol

Csba

[thin hill]

Low-key think so 😭

But like I put my second major option as a dornsife🙏🙏🙏

[south ruin]

ah lol

[south ruin]

fr business :>

[charred laurel]

nope

[south shale]

is passport scan required for intls?

and if so, why?

[charred laurel]

yea its required for intls since they gotta make sure you can apply for visa with your given citzenship

[south shale]

Oh I see

[wintry cosmos]

yeh

i submitted it before decisions but u can also submit now

[south shale]

Im not INTL, just curious. Thanks, though.

[south ruin]

mine's like this

[thick gorge]

It's not

but also I haven't gotten any missing materials emails from USC so

idk

[south ruin]

not yet lol - i did ed

ye im intl so i need to prove i can pay for the thing lol

[manic fulcrum]

guys did USC yield protect EA

[spring sphinx]

yes

[brisk orbit]

Dw, mine was also just like this with only two things. I applied EA and got in

It’s a very succinct checklist

[thick gorge]

gotcha, thanks 👍

[signal condor]

Nah

Cus I got in 😎

Jk jk jk lolllllllllllllllllllll

[twilit citrus]

Probably not. It was really just a lottery

There wasn't much pattern for who they accepted, from GPA to test scores/optional

And they don't track demonstrated interest so they can't be too worried about yield

[brisk orbit]

they didn’t plan on admitting that many students from ea but got a lot of apps, which gives the low rate. a fair amount of deferred students will be admitted during rd

[wintry cosmos]

RD rate will be higher than EA fs

but it'll still be single digits

or max to max 10-11%

[south ruin]

i think last year overall is like 11.4%

both ea + rd

[brisk orbit]

7% RD with overall being 9-10%

5500 RD offers / 78,000 apps considered

[south ruin]

how?

so low 🥲

[brisk orbit]

total 7900 offers / 81,000 apps = 9.8% overall

[brisk orbit]

RD looks artificially low because they deferred so many people, but there are prob students that they aren’t planning to admit and won’t really spend much time reconsidering during RD

[south ruin]

rough

3.9gpa + 1450 ish average sat yet acceptance rate is so low

[manic fulcrum]

how do yk

[spring sphinx]

/j

[torpid zodiac]

They just get so many apps

And they wanna maximize yield

And they also look for a certain niche of quirky people

They usually accept B+ to A- tier candidates

this is not cope btw I applied RD

[twilit citrus]

It's crazy because they have so many 4.0 1500+ applicants that they reject

It's like they're trying not to be t20

[signal patrol]

they be quirky like that

[brisk orbit]

Actually I’d argue the level of extent USC cares about its yield is significantly lower than other schools. As someone else mentioned, they don’t track demonstrated interest, and interestingly, USC is one of the only schools that doesn’t offer ED.

In the T25, Georgetown and USC are the only schools (besides publics ofc) that don’t offer ED or REA and they also don’t consider demonstrated interest

[versed quail]

usc also doesn’t do interviews/videos or anything either, very different from the others

[gleaming saffron]

bruh, gtown literally has REA

[brisk orbit]

just helps my point even more lol. but it says they have ea, not rea?

[gleaming saffron]

it’s single choice early action

so technically same things

u can’t ed anywhere

[brisk orbit]

u can ea elsewhere tho so it's a lot different from traditional rea and scea. it's far less restrictive which is why i'm guessing they call it ea

[south shale]

I mean most importantly you dont have to go if you get in

[brisk orbit]

yea but rea/scea also allows you to not go but it still helps quite a bit with yield so it's so imposing that typically people rea/scea to their top choice or near-top choice

gtown's extra "no ed" thing prob helps them a little bit since they know they wont be losing to ed acceptances

[south ruin]

lowkey could be yield protect

[south ruin]

ic ic

[twilit citrus]

I'm not saying you're wrong, but ED and demonstrated interest is like a quarter of the yield game though. So much of it is based on demographics, zip code, major, essays, income, and ofc whether you're below, at, or above the median student at a given school

[twilit citrus]

I don't want to say that because it sounds like I'm salty about getting deferred. But on paper, I "should" get into USC and I didn't. Who knows what the explanation is

[south ruin]

ye

but its either yield protect or they just dont like ur app

the one reviewing ur app

[brisk orbit]

isn't this old news tho? for almost every school there are people who "should" get in but don't. that's the randomness in admissions

[brisk orbit]

you mean admissions? yes, that's right, but for ed it's a huge factor, i'd say much more than a quarter. they can admit anyone they want during ed bc they know they are coming so that's guaranteed yield

[twilit citrus]

Oh ofc. It's certainly part of the process to get rejected from schools i could or should get into. I could say it's "yield protection" but the truth is I don't know. And it wouldn't come across well for me to say that

[twilit citrus]

Yes, I mean in admissions at large. There are other more ways to manage yield beyond ED and DI

[crisp halo]

hi besties

im here for like 30 mins to answer any questions yall may have

i work in the admissions center, and I'm a current USC transfer student so I can answer any questions about that too

[brisk orbit]

The rule of thumb is if you didn’t get in, it’s yield protection ;)

no but in all truth, many qualified apps don’t make it. I don’t want to sound like an AO but it’s really reflective of the limited spots so it’s impossible to offer admission to everyone who should get in. Also EA was 6% and you better believe more than 6% “should” have got in. I think a fat amount had stats higher than the median.

You could also be an admit that was super close EA and they just plan to admit RD

[twilit citrus]

Yup. It's a crazy system that produces crazy results. I liked USC but I also like the schools that admitted me so it's nbd. But for now, I wait for RD

[brisk orbit]

yep 👍 7 acceptances already is crazy and im sure you'l do great rd too

[old gust]

Hey guys what is the IDENTITY AND STATEMENT OF EDUCATIONAL PURPOSE document all about

[manic fulcrum]

hey

i’m someone who got in USC EA

and looking at the people who got in around me, i was a little confused at first

my EA application was weaker because my school actually made a mistake oh my transcript and submitted a lower GPA than my actual one a

i had picked my least favorite rec letter for it

and had my ECs been rushed quite a lot

so i was very confused when i got in

[wintry cosmos]

Same

I literally typed my essays directly into the common app box

[wary basin]

If u not doing that, u doing it wrong fr

[wintry cosmos]

[earnest glade]

This is insane behavior

[wintry cosmos]

Somehow worked

ffs they even gave me finalist for trustee presidential idk how tf

[south ruin]

handwritten my notes for wake forest vid :>

cuz im just that good

[daring cape]

when does usc rd come out?

[wary basin]

April 1

[daring cape]

damn, apr 1-2 gonna be a hell for me

i get ivy day results, georgetown result, usc deferral

[gleaming saffron]

NAW

[manic fulcrum]

SUP A2C

[twilit citrus]

Yup. Every day between March 24 and April 1 is gonna suck unless I bag a good acceptance on the 24th

[south ruin]

fr

me applying all reaches :>

[mental copper]

I'm dreading the entirety of March and beginning of April

[earnest glade]

march will be a life-changing month

will be choosing where i go for the next 4 years

[south ruin]

damn

never actually considered this till now

the next 4 year and potentially my next 20 years might all be in the hands or in the emails of decisions from those colleges in march + early april

[wintry cosmos]

Same

gonna be thrilling but also scary

[south ruin]

fr

[wooden dome]

bro thinks getting into any ivy will define his future...

[wary basin]

💀 he aint say anything about ivy

[weak walrus]

wish i couljd send an update

mid year bad update good usc no take usc reject me now

[twilit citrus]

Fr no updates is crazy. But at least they got to use the word "equity" another time when explaining why we couldn't give updates lmao

[timid wigeon]

this may be true but youll be fine wherever u end up so dont worry

[south ruin]

fr

[south ruin]

it would definitely define ur next 4 years bro

at least

the other 16 years would be determined in those 4 years

[south ruin]

ik ik

[wooden dome]

Well yes but not the college u get into, it's what u do in the 4 years that determines the 16 years forward

[south ruin]

yes and what u do links with where u are

if i were to go to harvard or some other top schools, the environment, culture and people will be different then some other schools

that'll greatly affect what i'll do, hence affecting somewhat the next 16 years

[wooden dome]

Ig it matters cuz ur a business kid

[south ruin]

it matters regardless

[wooden dome]

I'm doing cs so not important for me

[south ruin]

the opportunities available at lower schools are sad compared to higher-ranked ones

[wooden dome]

What opportunities?

Ig less research opps

But many ppl aren't interested in that

So it's not a big deal

Anyhow I got into a good cs school so idc but it ain't a big deal to go to a lower ranked school as yall say it is

[south ruin]

internships, companies recruitments, ...

[south ruin]

its not but it kinda is at the same time

[twilit citrus]

Exactly people don't wanna say this but it's true

[south ruin]

fr

ppl just scared to face the reality

[twilit citrus]

It's not to say you can't be successful at a lower tier school

But the connections at top schools are irreplaceable

Particularly in business

[south ruin]

ye

[wooden dome]

Idk about business but for cs all u need is to grind leetcode problems and do ur own projects

[south ruin]

u just have to make use of ur time and find ur own internship

ig so

[wooden dome]

They give 0 shits about ur college

[twilit citrus]

For now, but that's because comp sci is in demand

What's gonna happen when all these CS kids graduate

[south ruin]

not really for the culture of america, the college u went to kinda determine a small factor of ur employment

[twilit citrus]

The CS class sizes have doubled or tripled at most schools over the past decade or so

[south ruin]

ye fr

[wooden dome]

Yea ig bc of the layoffs college name is becoming more relevant

[twilit citrus]

^

[south ruin]

the demand supply stuff in econ

[wooden dome]

Bad economy for tech rn

[south ruin]

labour price gonna drop with such high supply

[wooden dome]

Welp

[south ruin]

its gonna get even more competitive to find a job in a tech industry

[twilit citrus]

Every kid going into CS thinks they're gonna land a cushy 300k/yr software engineer job straight outta undergrad

Not every

But yk

[south ruin]

fr lol

[twilit citrus]

It's certainly a lot easier coming from MIT or GA Tech though

[wooden dome]

Ay les go

Idt anyone getting 300k tho

Outta college

[south ruin]

some might

[wooden dome]

Maybe 200k during good economy

[twilit citrus]

180k + a fat bonus or good stock performance

[south ruin]

the economy wont be good anytime soon with ukraine war lol

[twilit citrus]

Nah

War is good for the economy

[south ruin]

ye but living standards aint good

inequality will destroy the poorer ppl but lift the richer ones

[brisk orbit]

180 + bonus is really good for Bachelor’s. Seems more reasonable for a Master’s

[twilit citrus]

Only for Ukraine and Russia. The war has remarkably little effect on anything except energy

[south ruin]

ye thats bad lol

[twilit citrus]

For sure. It's not likely at all, but it is possible

[south ruin]

at least for poorer lads

[brisk orbit]

why not go Master’s for 2 more years anyways. In case you need to move jobs

[south ruin]

waste of time lol

[brisk orbit]

for cs?

[twilit citrus]

It hardly even effects US energy though. Only central European natural gas

[south ruin]

ig u can do part-time master

[brisk orbit]

In a lot of jobs master’s give a notable bump in pay

[south ruin]

ye fair enough

but yall inflation arent decreasing anytime soon

[twilit citrus]

I was saying that as an example of what CS kids expect lol

I'm thankfully not a cs major

[south ruin]

the energy lack doesnt directly affect ur living cost

[brisk orbit]

That was for Felix

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but it affects the transportation of goods through international trade

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Inflation is already going down

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What’s ur major

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Down to 6.5%

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still very high lol

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Finance/econ

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yall was getting 2% a few years ago lol

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Yeah but it'll sort itself out with time

It sucks but that's what happens when you go to 0% rates bc of covid

And inject like fucking $3t at the same time

Powell is a fucking god