#UMass Amherst! (we are the flagship) (2022-2023)
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lmao
a college platform would be good. but discord wouldnt be the place for it ig
students are always faster than the school
Does teams work with such a large volume of ppl?
Thought it was maxed out at a few hundred
yup used to use it for online schooling
if you could localize it to mjors
or like subjects
Oh damn
I think zoom also sells commercial licenses to create a suite which is basically like teams for large businesses and stuff too
zoom privacy tho
Is it that bad?
Oh
google meets is where it's at 😎
only for meetings tho
a platform would require efficient chats, file transfer and other tools
time for me to make a app called Google Chat and have google pay me
idk how to tell you this buddy
uh im shocked
someone must of time travelled 😭
the fact that i really didn't know that existed 🤦♂️
LMFAO
when does the admission office open again i.e. when does the next wave of decisions release
what does this mean 😰
The University of Massachusetts at Amherst.
The University of Massachusetts at Amherst.
The University of Massachusetts at Amherst.
The University of Massachusetts at Amherst.
The University of Amherst at Massachusetts.
The University of Massachusetts at Amherst.
The best university in the world
The University of Massachusetts at Amherst.
The University of Massachusetts at Amherst.
Pls release decisions today
I get why they started small bc it was before the break and they prob couldn’t deal with such a large amount of emails
But they’re back now so pls
Do you guys think they’ll release batches today?
hope so
Do we need to send Hard copy packets of our documents also for admission purposes.
no
nah they prefer digital stuff
okay, not even after acceptance?
if they want to verify anything in paper format
or everything works just in digital format only
everything is digital
your school is responsible for sending things like your transcript, rec letters, etc.
nowadays everything is verified digitally.
I am an international applicant
so everything goes from me and my counsellor
alright, thanks
fr alex
yes even if your international
you’re responsible for filling out the commonapp meanwhile your counselor handles things like rec letters, transcripts, etc.
😔
when I see comments on their insta I see people protesting against Agnés Lacreuse's animal cruelty against marmosets, what's this about?
Got it, Thanks
I have also heard some Univ do give out their decision by sending packets, is it true?
Like a physical acceptance letter or so
Where on the insta I’m looking rn
I thought they’d release batches every week or smth
One of their posts, they commented
okay
Damn just saw that
So fr.
which post was it?
The Amherst at Universty Massaschusets
The Massachusetts at Amherst of University
at The of Massachusetts University Amherst
la universidad de massachusetts en amherst
the first wave of ea decisions announcement
The University of Massachusetts at Amherst.
BRO
THE ADMISSIONS INSTA PAGE
ARE
SO
FUCKING
EVIL
atp umass amherst needs to come groveling with that aid im seething
They said touch grass but nicely
cmonnnnn
guys the next three weeks count as mid january!!!
IT COULD BE ANY DAR FR
I just wish it comes out before my ED2 does
when does ur ed2 come out
will you withdraw ed2 if you get in?
anytime between now and February
depends what major I get in Umass amherst
what school is it? ed2 usually comes out like mid february so after umass amherst
ur prolly gonna find out umass before brandeis
okay that’s good
ed2 is usually mid-feb
Okay
i’m prolly not gonna get into umass for cs so i’m banking on northeastern and bu
I also applied to bu
i-
really?
umass cs is more competitive than NEU and BU?
i thought the acceptance rate hovered around 35
😭
yea but umass cs is insanely popular my school
and umass admirs by major unlike bu/neu
nah its not too bad
what r ur stats tho
my stats r fine for umass but not for cs and umass didn’t get my qtr 1 senior grades (bu/neu require them) meanwhile my grades from freshman-soph year r shit
this is me with all my low reaches. good for school, not for major. purdue, uw madison, umass, umd
etc etc
Has the next wave been confirmed
It’s not that good and im going optional. And I only took pre-calc so I believe it’ll lower my chances
oof yea the math is kinda a big deal for CS
but I applied to Umass for an accounting major instead of cs
Cs is my second choice on there
Idk if Umass amherst is flexible on changing majors but I really prefer cs over accounting
GUYZZZ
OMG
the a2c decision calendar says late jan for Umass EA
but check @umassadmission 's latest IG post
in the comments
they said mid jan
🤩
Are they gonna release it all in once or batches?
this is so stressful ughh
batches
i only like umass for their cs program so if i don’t get into umass cs then i’m prolly not going
Same
hypothetically, which between college or Umass of the amherst is better at cs/recognition
UMass Amherst CS >>> Amherst College CS
if that’s what ur asking about
oh rly? interesting
Facts but even then would have to depend on if other schools accept or not
yes umass is top 25 in cs
isnt amherst college too?
oh damn alr
and tbh umass amherst is prob easier to get into for CS than amherst college
even if ur OOS
im intl lmao
bro u got the paid version??
bro is a hardcore a2c player
real
gotta know the stats
where does he go
OMG
AND
THEY SAID MID JAN
SO
ofc he does
no I didnt
idk if its true tho
ah shit i dont have my real nickname doesnt work
bro went from 0 to 10000000 to 0
"(former) NYU Simp" 😭
when was the first wave again>?
there was a first wave??
idt they've started yet
i got EDed
nah their IG implies they haven't started
they did
it was before the hollydays
lo
l
So like UMass is a reach for cs in general, what about schools like Rutgers and stony Brook
Y’all looking at Amherst college for cs 💀
it depends on a lot of factors
for if a school is a safety, reach, or target
for schools like HYPSM it's a reach for everyone
but UMass not so much
as a basic example
in state + high stats = safety
OOS + high stats = target
OOS + low stats = reach
and things like your major and ECs/essays are all very important too
so you gotta look at everything on a case by case basis
Would 4.0 uw, 6 ap classes, and a 1410 be the low or high stats for cs?
thats like medium stats ig
are u OOS?
Yep lol
ok then i think solid target
slightly on the reach side
but like ofc ur ECs and essays and LORs play a role too
Expected
LOR? Really. I think those have no effects. Rarely are lor red flags
i mean they can get u over the edge ig
like if they're outstanding
they matter the most at like T20s tho
the super selective schools
UKy accepted me so my LOR can’t be bad
😂
UIUC counselor told me the reason they don’t require it is bc every single LOR they got were good and they got nothing out of reading them
LOL
its not really a reach in general if ur stats are aight
mine are p low
i think the sat is a bit low but gpa is good
760 math which I why I submitted my score
I submitted my SAT for every school even if it didn’t fit past the 25th percentile bc my thinking is that at least gives them a datapoint to look at compared to those that go test optional
W
i’m honestly guessing the 17th at the earliest which is pretty terrible
december decision mfs were sooo lucky
Nah UMass is slacking this year
Last year, there were 2 waves in Dec
And a wave in the first week of Jan
wasn’t umass late jan
the fact that they are planning a release so far in advance means the have a bunch of decisions just lying around
they should just release them
true
my original plan was to get umass by mid december and just be settled and not applying anywhere else
but now i got essays to write
umass is competitive for major whereas NEU is competitive for the school as a whole
no that i know but NEU cs is still more competitive than UMass
I don't think that NEU cs is more competitive because neu cs is the same as neu communications
yk what i mean
in terms of acceptance rate.
actually thats wrong. they accept by school I think.
northeastern is weird
so true
isn't UMass Amherst CS like
higher ranked tho
lol
ranking !== program strength
OSU is higher ranked, but you'd likely not get into Amherst College.
Same deal
Also I think we all know of the absolutely devious tactics Northeastern uses to "stimulate" competitive admissions.
why
delete
yay
isnt their ED super easy to get
and RD impossible
or smth
they've had housing issues rihgt
in the past
lol
no but like i thought they're fixing it this year or smth
or at least not worsening it
well not super easy? its probably gonna be between like 25-30% this year
RD will be living hell though
also just submitted CMU haha
yeah if by fixing it you mean admitting people to four year degrees at oakland and london then sure™️
neu is very devious
oakland and london??
they have satelite campuses??
i thought that was only publics ngl
OH YEA ALSO
OMG
I WAS DRIVING NEAR SACRAMENTO THE OTHER DAY
IT SAID "UMASS" BRUH
that's how i learned about the existence of satelite campuses
(i think that's what they're called?)
no well
these arent technically satellites
"technically"
because that implies that the main campus is best
NEU is going for something along the lines of what the UCs have (weird comparison ik but whatever)
no flagship
in a few years, NEU will become a system (it already kinda is)
and i guess NEU Boston is the "most prestigious™️?"
idk man
@cursive compass thoughts?
I was reading about this. I think it's blown wayyy out of proportion by like PETA and stuff. The research for (the most part at least) was entirely ethical. UMass has denied all the accusations I think.
yeah at first I was concerned but then I saw that most of it was driven by PETA which has a really bad reputation for bs.....sooo I had mixed feelings
A good bit of it is just PETA propaganda iirc.
yep
literally that
umass is still slaying
to me at least
praying that they come in clutch and give good aid 🙏
any news on batches yet?
Mid jan
ffs
isnt all decisionss released by jan 15
Give.
hello RD people
they are taking so long
In the meantime, we are all unofficial Minutemen. 😂
The schrödinger acceptance
yea last year it was 35 so its prob around 30 or lower this year. so i wouldnt say its easy to get into
yeah exactly
but idk obv i am biased
haha no well same but youre not wrong
its just a representation of the state of college apps that "30%" is "noncompetitive"
they obv manipulate #s but I dont think it should take away from the school's rep
^^ for sure
and its not like they havent worked hard as fuck on programs
they have a lot going for them
idk its kinda annoying that people shit on the college because of that. right
they've made their rep so strong that i've seen a2c reddit posts comparing them to hypsm
lol
i just saw one shitting on them lmao
YES
haha
the #s are getting better (ed getting lower so they aren't manipulating as much these days). but i think their # of applicants is rising
I wish Umass amherst have ED
^^^
all tenor gifs. the instructions say trending cause its the easiest way to guarantee a tenor gif
how much more competitive is comp sci than the standard admission rate?
Prolly twice as much, for in state
Prolly twice as much, for in state
yall know if amherst accepts self reported ap scores?
afaik yeah
ty
umass wave tomorrow??
unfortunately tmrw doesn't seem to qualify as mid january
so probs not
but we can hope
Honestly I feel like “mid jan” means “whenever we feel like we’re done”
And I bet the waves go by major, so whenever they’re done with a certain major they might just release the decisions
how many more batches do you think they are ganna do?
It could honestly be any number. They could do it by major, school, or even just all at once?
well they released 5000 on first batch
im not sure how many ppl applied total through ea tho
28k
no they committed to releasing all decisions by the end of jan
lol
They also said that for mid December
no i dont think they said that, they said the first wave will be released in mid december and it was
they never said all decisions will go out by then
When rd decision?
nope, 31st of jan max
dude EAs arent even all out yet
OK but do you know when rd is
prolly late march or april
rolling til end of march
Can I withdraw my app on the portal or do I have to email them
on the portal only ig
why did a2c remove ea threads ?
it was so much better
the only downside is ig more channels to monitor for rule violations
discord mods are like black holes self destructing until they reach their final form: a singular channel with only them in it ☹️
such a tragic lifestyle
seen it happen time and time again…
next: ivy league ED/REA/RD
next: all unis in CA ed/ea/rea/rd
us schools ed/ea/rd
LOL
all schools ed/ea/rd
everything in ea/ed/rd
2023-8
+REA
oh fr fr
caught u lackin jatata
oh napoleon 😦😦😦😦
sorry 😦 got exiled again, im pissed, didnt want to hurt u
oof
the umass Minutemen are here for u

fr tho like, I was highly doubting my capacities in attending the U.S, then I went to dinner, my parents and my brother yelled for the 7865678976545678976546 time over the past years, the essays I wrote when I went back into my room after that were the most dedicated I've ever written 😈
Umass has the best of me
Literally 1984
why is this specific thread crazier than all my others
proof umass amherst is just better
that’s been there for a while
@cursive compass almost done?!?!?
🙏
How hard is getting into isenberg from in state
what are your stats
4.39 out of a 4 weighted and test optional
If u have a company you can get up to 2k in tax credits for college expenses
Think 3.51 on 4 scale
That's what i did and it covered 30 apps + 6 sat/acts + transcripts and other costs
Dear god no dont conflate the 2
4.39 could mean all As but 60% college prep
Meaning it could just be 4.0 uw
Dont tell bro a 4.39 is the same as a 3.51 then
One dude is a mad genius
Other going to a CC /s
Ight hold up
This my schools scale
Pretty sure it’s a 4 weighted
And I’m a 4.39 on this scale
Do i need to convert this to a 4 scale and is there an easy way
Take all your courses
Separate into A B and so on
Multiply amount of As by 4, multiply amt of Bs by 3 and so on
Add them up
Divide by total
Anyone plan on joining the power and class of new england
the umass minuteman marching band
everyone's been procrastinating RD supps
😦
should get more active in a few days
OMG
SLAY
BEST MARCHING BAND IN THE NATION
ah. prefer procrastinating on hw more.
ivies are done tho
yea but like usc and stuff ig
ig
this is ong
yes
||i can't play instruments im sorry im an asian dissapointment||
dw
i bet you can dance
everyone can dance
😏
😏
the power and CLASS of New England 💪💪
Do i go first choice engineer second choice cs or vice verse
Im pretty sure transferring into cs isnt possible, but cs is also wayyy harder than eng
do you want to do anything other than CS?
if not dont do eng
Well idrk tbh
Engineering interests me bc im a math focused person
okay
well "interests" is not worth 5-6 figure debt
"i am 100% invested in this if I need to be" is
Well i wouldnt be going into too much debt at umass
Max would be like 30k by graduation
relative to umass standards
but umass is literally a safety
also i j realized u said what ur first choice should be
how does having cs first choice ruin ur chances of eng if its still 2nd choice
j have cs first
Ok
Idk if i dont get into any of my reaches, which i dont feel confident in bc my essays have been cheeks, then i wanna go to umass for cs 😭
umass please come out soon 🙏
give me strength yall
im losing sleep now
@cursive compass congrats on completion!!!
Bruh what the hell is this scale which state are u in.
YESS CONGRATS NEU!! ✨🎉
I’m in mass Lmao
as a mass resident my school uses a similar grading scale
A’s = 4.0 and A+ = 4.3 UW
A = 5.0 A+ = 5.3 UW
im in mass but my school system is so weird. It only goes to 4 and it's unweighted
😭 plus there's barely any APs
do you have IB or dual enrollment at ur school
no i dont
our school has dual enrollment but it’s only for classes that don’t have them in AP form and (i.e we have AP chem but not DE chem)
goddamn so ur only stuck with CP/Honors classes
what is dual enrollment
taking courses at a community college as a high schooler
there is still some ap. it's just mostly only availble to seniors. I took 1 last year and 3 this year
omg that seems so fun
we only have like 6 DE courses and they’re all online
i love online classes. tbh when it was online during 2020, i got so much stuffs done
do you have to take like a test for it? or is it just that there's limited space
nah you need to get teacher recommendations and have a certain grade
ohh
for ap chem you need to have taken ap bio and get like an A- or above for you to be considered
also scheduling issues and if your teacher doesn’t like you at all they can fully prevent you from taking the aps you wanted despite your grade
so despite having like 20 or so aps most only take like 4-6 throughout high school
😭 that's messed up
yeah that’s why i couldn’t take ap chem bc my bio teacher was a bitch and did not like me for whatever reason despite me having an A- in her class and taking the correct math course 😭
We have restrictions, can’t take any APs until sophomore year.
what did u do to her lmao
My bio teacher who also ran the AP bio class interrogated me on “being a good fit” for the class because I got an A- in the class and a 70 on his midterm back in honors bio.
i got put in her class (honors) because my counselor put me in the wrong bio level (CP)
yea we can’t take aps here until like sophomore year and the only one sophomores can take is AP bio or APCSP but for csp you need to take some intro to cs class freshmen year
Same except our options were AP bio and AP US history.
CSP is a junior/senior class.
Easiest AP.
Nice gpa booster.
we can take apush as a sophomore but it’s a 2 year course
🥶
Ah hell nah.
That’s foul.
How do u take the AP exam for it then?
If it’s 2 years.
mass requires 2 years of us history so all the us history courses are split into 2 years
2 year?????
take exam junior year
Balls.
guys is it just me or is senior year getting super tough?
😭 i swear it's hardest than my previous years. im struggling to get an A
nah this is my easiest year
Harder than the previous ones
But that's just math though
for me math is fine. ap environmental science and stats are killing me
😭 my apes teacher makes test worth 95% of the entire grade
THANK YOU BESTIE AND ALSO FUNTRAINNNN
has any1 gotten decisions
not yet
yep
what major?
THANK YOU ✨
only 5k people from the first wave
im pretty sure the first wave decisions were for less competitive majors
The University of Massachusetts at Amherst.
The University of Massachusetts at Amherst.
Got da whole squad laughing.
I did first wave
anyone else get their ed decision yet?
Yep and Exploratory Track for stem basically
They don’t offer Ed
ea mb
yep
The Amherst of Massaschusetts at University
why does this feel so uncomfortable to read-
cursed
truly
the Massachusetts at University of Amherst
The Amherst of Massachusetts University
The Massaschsets at UMass university at Massaschusets at Maherst
do you not have any other uni to wait on😭
it wont come so early my g
they'll announce the wave and shit
and considering biz and cs's competitiveness
i doubt they'll release in the next wave
lets hope they do
it has to no?
there are 3 waves
and 5k wave had less competitive majors
noooooooooooooooooooooooo
purdue releases on 15th
i for some reason keep think umass would be earlier than that
idk why
i can wait for purdue only
but thats a fixed date
the only fixed date i have is from usc bruh
20th of jan
i have from uiuc as well and purdue
gatech will prolly announce soon
this umass will end up killing me tho
wouldve applied to gtech but my sat score is mid 😋
SO IS MINE BUT I STILL DID
27th
wish i could change my gt essay
yea
applying a CS major is still making me hella nervous with that score idky
i feel like i need a 1550 min to stand a fair chance at any t20
yes you’ll be fine lol
how competitive is engineering?
do you really think you need to worry?
unless
wait whats your Math breakdown
since its CS, they expect a higher math than your english
uh oh...
nothing to be too worried about dw
SAT is just one component to a bigger picture
your ECs and essays can easily make up for it
790
and how big of a gap is it
20 points
oh thank god
im now anxious if some of the top schools reject everyone with a non-800 math 
i doubt they'd do that
i think they keep room for 780-800
cuz math as u know can fluctuate in that range with just one mistake depending on how steep the test curve was
so they tend to keep that much room
790 is a sweet spot dw
i have a 790 as well
Bro I’m genuinely afraid that I won’t get into umass
no point in worrying bro
just wish for the best
ultimately it is what it is aint it
u never know
even the best get rejected
its like a dice roll
just got a umass amherst ad on spotify
WE ARE THE FUCKING FLAGSHIP. WE ARE THE FUCKING UMASS MINUTEMEN.
its a sign they want u
already accepted :D
they be wanting that admission deposit
OKAY JERRY UMASS BOUND
sheeeeeeewsh
Why am I not getting any????? What the Fuck
i get those lame ass ads for apartments in St. Louis 💀
YESSIRRRR
They're actually pretty good
umass
why
idk maybe cause ur in the umass thread :>
i like the campus better, i like the northeast falls + winters a lot better than hot all year round (personal preference tho!), WAY BETTER FOOD OH MY GODDD, minutemen are cooler, also the consortium is really nice because you have your own ~community~ but you have these 4 other schools in the area — hampshire, mhc, smith, and amherst which is a really nice way to meet people + take classes there + join clubs there, also amherst is a nice college town, plus it’s way smaller than asu which is like 65k undergrad
I expected this, but queen jatao comes in clutch
legend response
bc asu is dogshit
its only good as a low low tier safety
every other school beats in out in countless ways
they have a great b school tho
UMinn has a better one
im not sure bout that but idk rly so
and a better CS school too
Carleton School of M is great for Business Admin and is also well known in Wall Street for Fin
and its also in Minneapolis which yk means local recruitment
you don't have that in bum fuck arizona
cs frsure
Carrey is a T20 and well known in the silicon valley tho
nah it is actually
#2
Supply chain and logistics
#8
Analytics
#10
Management information systems
#10
Quantitative analysis
#11
Production/operations management
#13
Accounting
#13
Management
#15
Marketing
#16
Finance
#17
Entrepreneurship
#18
International business
thats carey
Yea hoping for the same
I really hope so
i just hope it's this week
how u know?
i always get these omg
they remind me of this thread 😭
1500/3.87 UW(although dropped a bit in senior year)/slightly above average ec(Captain of D1 XC team, won state champs; research paper on Alzheimer's published in JSR, 4 different summer research programs, 100+hr of community service-teaching English to 2 Afghan refugees and 1 NK defector, 3 years of student government including writing a bill on racial reform and an act on sexual assault survivor protection), 1 okay teacher rec and 1 amazing one. in state and visited on campus+did virtual tour too
thats crazy bro
they're better than "want a break from the addddddddddddds?"
Bruh your getting in no matter what lmao
If ur instate and have the stats ur getting in
Im the same as that Volley captai, student council pres, Red cross pres and milliuons of hours of service, coding projects, video prokects, comedy club vice preident, MUN champ with like a million awards
exceot my stats are lower
I'm just praying that I get in BU lmao
I have 3.68 GPA
my counselor still haven't signed EDII agreement
and I went test optional
I applied to bc over bu :p
it was due 4 days ago
bro Idk how to keep my grades up with all the crazy shit I do
I wanted to do bu too but i couldnt take another why us essay
definetly focusing on studies and internships only in college
good choice, I was thinking about BC/BU/NEU
its hard, dw about it now
not that many extracurriculars but @burnt dust u a beast
you did your best so be proud of it
I did bc & neu, but im getting rejected from neu bc theyre aware
im an IB student too
that'll help your weighted gpa a lot
fr bro, but atleast i got into tulane alr
and my dad is a Umass alum too
you're in state I assume?
💀
I MEANT UMASS
I seriously consider withdrawing my application to EDII BU and just go to Umass to save money
like I want to do grad anyway
umass > BU
im ofc biased cause sucks to BU
but bitch you're literally in-state
thats like <half the price
my entire high school goes to umass it’s insane
ong
yeah umass food is better 🤤🤤
ikr
fuck uiuc cornhub dude no #1 college dining
IKR
uiuc cornhub
dawg i hate my high school💀
this is why i wanna leave cali
like they do at umass amherst
this is why i wanna leave illinois! fuck my hs omg
usc and wellesley
comp sci
the info session they were like your second choice school should be in dornsife to increase your chances of being admitted but like
if i get into dornsife it’s a pain to transfer into vitrebi
i mean would you go to a dornsife major
yeah exactly
whats the point of getting into a school if u would go
atp just take the rejection
exactly
but iirc dornsife has like comp linguistics or physics/cs
and a few other interesting things
i think my alternative was computer science and business administration
which was probably a dumbass move on my part
dornsife has only physics and cs
yeah
but i don’t want to study physics tho
true tbh
maybe like mathematics💀
no yeah that makes sense
my alternative choice for umass is statistics or data science 💀
i forgot which one i picked but if i don’t get into cs i prolly won’t go
true
the wait is killing me umass release my decision
i stayed far from data sci with my major choices
i did cognitive science for a lot of my alternates cause thats cool
but idk data science just feels like a concentration of cs
and thats like a bruh moment
it often is
at some schools data science is a concentration of cs
i don’t think i picked that i either did comp engineering or stats
oh my god you’ve asked three times just google it or open niche
the 25th percentile is a 1440, so no, your SAT score wouldn't quite strengthen your application
guys is an 1800 enough for hustler's university
Jfc if u have this why are toy asking us
I stg so many ppl here dont deserve to go to uni
Might be older
Also damn ram chill bruh 😭
thread seems to be losing its vibe
prolly no
u can try checking the cds
not yet, but there might be another wave soon ish
well ig 1 wave of ea already came out
if we are not screaming and crying in the chat it hasn’t been announced yet
ig one wave might come tmrw (i am purely guessing)
Mid January although first wave is out for less competitive majors on 20th dec . 5k decisions were released that day
manifest this for us if you don’t mind
can someone pin this
Guys i can go visit the admissions office tomorrow and ask
there will be at least 3-4 waves so they should have one tmrw or this week
I live 30 mins away
PLEASE DO
pls do
What time do they close lmao
bold assumption the average a2c sweat will open pins before asking when the next wave comes out. losing battle
nothings closed if you try hard enough
A lot of my customers work at umass, but im not working until friday
thanks👍
why does umass have to be so cute sexy hot beautiful gorgeous stunning
@muted elk
Well has anybody emailed, I doubt theyll tell me something different compared to an email
est moment
One batch got to come out this week right
Pray
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"slightly above average" bro if you want an ego boost just say that
bro has his stats in his name, he cant chill
@hard sundial 💪💪💪💪
Average umass amherst scientists
in ohio
HELLO MY MINUTEMEN

