Stop users with VAC bans from playing!

[keen tundra]

So many videos of cheaters and reports sent in for report and my guild and I, hear nothing back. Cheaters are able to continue to cheat, let alone play at all. Not only on PVP but they are running riot on PVE too.
I know the devs have been hard at work banning people but sorry guys, its not enough.

Block VAC banned accounts from playing. PLEASE.

What is even the purpose of having EAC? They have to turn off this automatically on setting. Also I see no EAC bans go through, only reported players that have been checked by devs...

[silk wharf]

having a VAC ban doesn't mean you're cheating in the game. it means you've been banned in the past for using cheats in another game.
EAC is just there as hurdle, you can't prevent all cheats, rest needs to be done via moderation.
Thinking that the majority of cheaters have a VAC ban on their account is naive, but I do agree, someone with a prior VAC ban should be moderated more closely.

[keen tundra]

Correct. I completely agree. However, someone who has just been obviously cheating with undisputable video evidence, that has VAC bans on their account.... come on man.
Once a cheater, always a cheater.

Also please don't downvote for a technicality. We all want less cheating in games right? Seems insane to want them to be more relaxed on the idea.

[silk wharf]

as someone who doesn't cheat, i disagree.
video evidence, yes, but the VAC ban part would be an indicator at best. your suggestion doesn't solve the problem of cheaters, it simply would affect everyone that has a vac ban, not taking into account where it came from in the first place or whether they are actually cheating or not.

[silk wharf]

i downvoted it because it's a short sighted solution for a complex problem that would barely affect it

[keen tundra]

I once was given a VAC ban incorrectly... I fought it with evidence, and they removed it.
If the user has not fought the VAC ban (in my opinion) they know the result. They know what they did.

[meager tinsel]

You have tons of account that got hit by VAC ban in the past and it never got resolved even tho they actually didn't cheat. So basically your point is to just automatically deny access to a game based on a thing that has nothing to do with said game?

[silk wharf]

lmao, sure. even if i'd be the most rampant cheater of all times in another game, it still shouldn't matter here, as long as i don't cheat in moe.

[silk wharf]

this exactly, VAC bans are notoriously hard to get rid off, even with evidence

[meager tinsel]

That's like saying you won't allow a person into a store just cause they got past criminal record including theft lmao

[keen tundra]

What is the point of VAC bans, and EAC if they don't use them at all...
Cheaters don't deserve to play any game IMO. Regardless of what game they cheated in...

[meager tinsel]

Point of VAC bans is that Steam as company can deny you from playing all their games cause VAC is theirs

Usually VAC gets triggered if you cheat in their games anyway

[keen tundra]

It's literally super easy to not be VAC banned... millions do it every day. Don't be a cheater and your all good.

My mind is blown at the response here. I thought everyone wanted a fair gaming experience.

[silk wharf]

you must be living in a very simple world. i envy you.

[meager tinsel]

VAC has nothing to do with EAC tho? It's like day and night difference mate. Also game developer is the one who sets the rules in this regard. Also going with your reasoning they would just hurt possible sold copies based on something that doesn't have to happen in their game 🤷‍♂️

[keen tundra]

A VERY high percentage of VAC bans are pushed through because of EAC reporting them to steam.

[meager tinsel]

Yeah, it's fair to prejudice against people based on the past and not let them do something. I would wonder what would your life look like if you had comitted crime and everyone would just point a finger at you for being a criminal refusing to even bother with you

"Fair" right

People just use that word while spouting nonsense

[keen tundra]

If I committed a crime, it would be my fault... I deserve all the punishment... how very woke to not think this way.

[meager tinsel]

So basically you're saying if you do single bad thing in your life, you're automatically "f**ked" xD

[keen tundra]

I would never say I didnt deserve the punishment for sure

I would understand the reasons why.

[silk wharf]

you deserve punishment for THAT specific crime, yes. it would be unethical to punish someone for something and then add punishment ontop of punishment based on nothing

[meager tinsel]

What you're saying is people don't deserve to get a chance at something just because of a past mistakes

[keen tundra]

No, Gamers cheat, they can't game... simple enough.

[meager tinsel]

You just don't see it man

[keen tundra]

If I drive illegally, I lose my licence, I cant drive again.

[meager tinsel]

You can drive again actually 🤔

[silk wharf]

so why would you then be prosecuted for stealing while you never stole?

[meager tinsel]

There's just certain time period while you can't

[keen tundra]

I wouldn't.... I am asking for people who game, and cheat at gaming, to not be allowed to game... stealing has nothing to do with driving.

[meager tinsel]

I don't know if you're either trolling hard or you just didn't have the chance to experience actual life

Same concept man, just different setting

[silk wharf]

trying to figure this out, too, im drawn back and fourth lmao

[meager tinsel]

If that's too hard to comprehend for you, I guess you shouldn't dive into this kind of stuff head on without thinking it through

[keen tundra]

I am ex-mil, 40, and work security, and when I was young I got f***ed for graffiti.... I have paid for it, my entire life... my fault, I accept it.

I totally get it, and would say that I am pretty experienced...

Maybe, just maybe it might not be me thats wrong here?

Or are you too short sighted to see past your keyboards?

[meager tinsel]

I'm ex-SWAT in my country, never broke the law and still have sympathy for people who broke it and could be decent people if they didn't mess up given their circumstances 🤷‍♂️

[keen tundra]

Ok so what about the ones that are VAC banned and are still obviously still cheating... yet they are free to keep doing it?

You good with that too?

insane.

[silk wharf]

you use gaming as umbrella term as reasoning but when using crime as umbrella term you then go into specifics.
stealing and illegally driving would be two different crimes, why would you get prosecuted for both when doing one.
same with cheating. cheating overall is bad, yes, but it's game specific as crime is circumstance specific, too.
VAC bans come for many different reasons of cheating, including false flags. getting rid of them is near impossible and asking to have every user with a VAC ban being banned upfront, without ever cheating in the specific game, is like prosecuting every criminal regardless of their crime. it makes no sense.

[meager tinsel]

If you're dumb enough to cheat but change over the years you're free to do your thing. If someone is drug addict but changes his life I won't discriminate against them cause they decided to be clean

[keen tundra]

No you are splitting gaming up into individual games for your arguement....

[silk wharf]

noone said that lol. but its irrelevant. cheater is cheater, they can have a vac ban or a totally clean account. it's situational and specific case by case, you can't just solve it with an umbrella solution, if it would be that easy every game would do that.

[silk wharf]

im just being specific in your analogy, unlike yourself.

[meager tinsel]

Juvens actually has a good point. If you categorize cheating as different crimes considering it's different game. They have nothing to do with each other and yet you would act like if they're connected

So yeah - Theft = Illegal driving ; Cheating in let's say CS:GO = Cheating in MoE

That's your logic

[silk wharf]

yup

[keen tundra]

Well I stand with my statement, there is not much to discuss with you both, because my point is valid and they need to do something about it...
Many games restrict VAC banned accounts from playing their game... and with the amount of cheating in this game going on, they should seriously consider doing the same.
I really don't care if random people on discord agree with me or not.
Too many MMO's go down the sh*tter because of this very reason, look at the player count and reviews, and you will see its heading in the same direction.
Just trying to put an old head on young shoulders is a virtually impossible task.

[silk wharf]

name one

in my over 8 years since my vac ban i didn't have a single game where i was excluded from playing. so jokes on you.

[keen tundra]

One game that stops VAC bans that uses EAC... Star Citizen.

There are many, just google

[silk wharf]

my MSR and vulture disagree.

[keen tundra]

are you VAC banned?

[meager tinsel]

You literally brought up something for community to discuss but refuse take of others. You think your point is the only right thing here. I wonder why do you even bother bringing the whole thing up if you decide to ignore individual takes on your "issue" which looks like it's personal at this point. I know/knew several people who were dumb enough to cheat while young and after multiple years (5+ for example) were clean whole time since then and changed. So you're biased against anyone who did wrong for some reason we don't know and refure to let go.

[silk wharf]

i think youre mixing things up. a VAC ban is valves anti cheat (VAC). it's steam specific. i did send a screenshot of my existing VAC ban.

[keen tundra]

Sorry I didnt read all of this because you were wrong in the first sentence, I posted this for the devs to do something about it hopefully.

[meager tinsel]

As I mentioned above - Game developer can decide to restrict people to play their game based on Game/VAC bans recorded on their account 🙂

[keen tundra]

Great! Well CIG will be happy you provided them your details.

[silk wharf]

i've been a SC backer since 2016, i'm telling you, they care very little as long as you don't cheat. your ignorance seems to be in the way here.

[keen tundra]

yes and that was a direct reply to me being asked to provide which games do this.

[meager tinsel]

It's entirely up to developer to ask Steam if the said people should be restricted from playing their game. So looking at MoE not having this option enabled means Devs are basically going against your idea

[silk wharf]

and your example was false, same as your other assumptions.

[keen tundra]

Oh how wrong you are. I personally know this information but thats a different story.

[meager tinsel]

Also friend of mine who has VAC ban played Star Citizen aswell. I guess your "source" is wrong then

[silk wharf]

dude, i have over 500 dollars on SC and over 400 games on steam. your source is most definitely incorrect.

[meager tinsel]

You just started pulling some random facts which you made up from your magical hat I guess

[keen tundra]

I am not going to argue the SC point because no matter what I tell you, you both argue.

[meager tinsel]

So I'm not supposed to go against someone who's trying to shut me up with false evidence?

Man, you're just something else at this point

[keen tundra]

No by all means...

[silk wharf]

we are countering your argument with real experience. like dude what is this attitude of superiority. i've given you FIRST HAND account of someone ticking all your examples. how deaf do you have to be to disregard a first hand account like that. like cmon, you won't get a more authentic experience aside from getting a VAC ban yourself and trying it.

[keen tundra]

My brother is employed at CIG manchester studios....

🙂

So at this point, I am not going to respond to people who just want to argue for arguements sake... ttyl.

[meager tinsel]

Well, my friend who is VAC banned apparently works at Steam so he's excluded from this whole can't play Star Citizen fiesta

Hard to believe someone making examples once they ridicule themselves with made up crap

[keen tundra]

I will make sure all the info is passed on, thanks.

[silk wharf]

what the hell dude, you made a suggestion and two people, unrealated from each other, explain why your point of view doesn't work and all you can come up with are passive-aggressive deflects like that.
typical boomer.