Help | Current time 1:13 on this solve

[silver tusk]

You use cfop right?

@coarse frost

[coarse frost]

yes cfop with 4 look ll

[silver tusk]

You mean 2 look oll and pll?

[coarse frost]

yes

[silver tusk]

So all i want to see is how did you do the cross solution?

[coarse frost]

i can't help u much there, ik the angle is bad but i don't do it from one position so i can't give u a written solution

[silver tusk]

Ok then

[coarse frost]

let me try to explain the best i can tho, let me do the scramble rq again

i remember what i thought, i can type that here

[terse path]

So your cross is not the best

Orange front yellow top
R D' R' D' L

And from there

We have many options for good pairs

[silver tusk]

That is such a lucky cross

I cant belive it

[coarse frost]

idk what i did but i can't seem to find the scramble right lol I must have made a wrong move idk

[silver tusk]

Aw shucks

[coarse frost]

u mean f2l pairs? idk man i probably shouldn't think of f2l already given i m not even sub 60

anything else?

[terse path]

I mean you can always record another one

[terse path]

F2l is everything, the earier you learn it the better

[silver tusk]

So yukio are you in beginer cfop?

[coarse frost]

bro i m using f2l, i meant trying to look into f2l pairs while doing the cross is too early

if my cross is so bad

[terse path]

Ah

No

[coarse frost]

yes

[terse path]

Dont do c+1

Not now

[coarse frost]

what did u mean by this then

[terse path]

After you do cross

You do f2l

[silver tusk]

You do f2l

[coarse frost]

yes that is what i do

what abt it

[terse path]

You need good f2l cuz its 50% of the solve

The earier you learn good f2l the easier it will be to progress

[silver tusk]

Thats true

[coarse frost]

so u r saying my f2l is the problem?

[silver tusk]

Yes

[coarse frost]

or is it cross or both

[silver tusk]

And maybe cross

[coarse frost]

dont bother with lookahead, c+1, xcross etc
just work on getting a cross in around 10 moves (ideally under 8) and being able to plan it all beforehand
also try to improve f2l efficiency, but dont learn it as algs
mainly, for a person with times above 1min, you can get a lot faster with decrasing the time you spend overall on pauses

so train oll, pll recognition. tho imo dont bother with 2sided pll yet
and work on recognising f2l cases faster

[terse path]

Also, you seem fixated in inspection

[coarse frost]

and try to decrease unnecessary rotations

[coarse frost]

wdym

well thats all good, but how

lol

[silver tusk]

Practice

Watch example solves

[coarse frost]

all i m hearing is, ur entire thing is bad, practice more

get better

[silver tusk]

Watch tutorials

[coarse frost]

that's nothing solid, i already knew all that

cross is not good, f2l needs to be better

[silver tusk]

Find some tutorial about those things

Like those j perm video

[coarse frost]

bro thats what i have been doing

[coarse frost]

well, at ur level, its largely about practice
dont bother with any new algs yet, since you lar know 4lll

ah i knew recording a solve won't help, like nothing new can be told other than the common stuff that we already know

basically improve cross, f2l efficiency and oll,pll recog times
all thats is basically practice, both times solves and trianer

[coarse frost]

I see i need better cross, f2l efficiency would be like the advanced f2l stuff from jperm

[terse path]

You grab the cube, look at it and plan some cross

But you dont even consider rotating and choosing a bettwr side to do the coss

Like i showed what i would do for the cross, id never go for it facing green like you did

Rotate in inspection and not only plan your cross, think about from which sidd you do it

B moves suck so the less B moves the better

[silver tusk]

Just learn beginer stuff

And once you get good go to intermediate stuff

[coarse frost]

nah nah thats cuz i already inspected the cube, i messed up pressing record so i had to repick the cube, all i looked at was, oh yea this was the side nd this is what i need to do

[terse path]

But still

You chose the wrong side

[coarse frost]

yea again my cross is bad

i can't plan it like u guyz entirely

but we already knew that

[terse path]

Dont need to rn

[coarse frost]

what else then

lol

[terse path]

Just avoid B moves in cross

[coarse frost]

u always say improve cross but then say do it one by one

[silver tusk]

Yes its bad

[coarse frost]

in the video i did better than 1 by 1

i dont get it

[terse path]

@simple osprey help

[coarse frost]

ok but shouldnt this be about how to improve instead of : cross is bad, f2l is bad, last layer recognition is bad

dont pause, do better

[silver tusk]

No the b move on cross

Is bad

[coarse frost]

yea but u r talking about planning how to avoid a b move when i think i don't know how to plan the cross like that yet

[silver tusk]

Just do what you could do

[coarse frost]

don't plan out the whole thing, but i should plan how to avoid certain moves

thats not possible

[silver tusk]

No don't do that

Do that if you are good at it

[terse path]

0.09s.

D' L B L F' U F R' U2 B' L2 F2 D B2 L2 U' R2 B2 U' B2 D2

[coarse frost]

bro

[terse path]

Whats ur solution to cross

@coarse frost

For this scram

[celest wave]

@coarse frost heres a walkthrough solve of this scramble explaining my thought process

im gonna critique you solve too in just a bit

[coarse frost]

gimme a sec, i was solving a different one, just finished that

[terse path]

My solution
|| z2 F D' R' D U2 L R2 ||

[celest wave]

wayyyy too much effort, just do D2 L D' L' D or y2 D2 R D' R' D

[coarse frost]

Facing Green front: F U2 L R2 D' R D

[celest wave]

mb thats a different scramble

[coarse frost]

@terse path

[celest wave]

i didnt realize

[coarse frost]

this is the one u gave me

[silver tusk]

y2 R F D2 R' D F D'

[coarse frost]

this is what i did

[simple osprey]

2nd pair y' U' R U' R2 U' R

tho

[terse path]

If u do U instead of U2, then L and then U R2 you get a pair btw

But thats not important

[coarse frost]

bro lets keep this beginner

guyz guyz keep it beginner, it's about improving my solve here rn

💀

[terse path]

Thats why i said its not important

[silver tusk]

Yes

It's only important if you are at intermidiatish level

[celest wave]

same STM as my solution

[simple osprey]

broski can't count

[celest wave]

i sent a walkthrough of the solve, did you see it?

[celest wave]

o yea its 1 stm higher

[coarse frost]

wait i did scramble right, yea i saw 3 of them r at the bottom, the way i did it i solved 3 right away and then entered the last one

altho i didn't think of any replacement technique, idk what that is

[celest wave]

i showcased it

in the video

[coarse frost]

yea

but i think stuff is a bit much especiall the f2l u showed

so what is yall's final verdict on what do i need to do to get sub 60

[terse path]

That last pair aint begginer to me lmao

[coarse frost]

I heard a lot of, cross and f2l efficiency, don't pause too much, a lot of confusion on recommendation on cross, some r saying solve the whole thing in inspection, some say 1 by 1 idk a whole lot of jumbo mumbo

but honestly, as a beginner, none of what u guyz have makes any sense to me other than hey ur cross nd f2l is bad, get better at that

which is something i already knew nd tryna watch a lot of videos on them but again nothing is helping a whole lot

which is why i made this video

lol

[simple osprey]

you could also just L' U L y' U R U R' U R U' R'

[celest wave]

D' L B L F' U F R' U2 B' L2 F2 D B2 L2 U' R2 B2 U' B2 D2

y // inspection
D' F L D' R' // cross (5)

view at CubeDB.net

[simple osprey]

.

[celest wave]

very simple

[coarse frost]

💀

i knew this was a waste of time

[celest wave]

wdym?

[coarse frost]

cuz the only thing i got from all this is: ur cross nd f2l is bad, learn better

i already knew that

[terse path]

Chat

Begginwr mode on

We gotta foeget

What we learned

[coarse frost]

nd respectfully, i have watched a lot of videos on this stuff, but i haven't improved, so watching a quick video on u solving efficiently isn't gonna teach me what u did

[celest wave]

i literally made a 2 min video going very slow and explaining every action i made

[terse path]

No r in f2l

[coarse frost]

from a beginner's perspective i m saying

[coarse frost]

brother

i m telling u as a beginner

💀

i appreciate the effort

but it is what it is

[terse path]

Ur vid made me question ur last pair and showed me one pair i didnt know about

But cross was explained nicely

[celest wave]

ok just dont mind it then, its a very specific solution only catering if you have that as your last slot, its not worth it otherwise

[coarse frost]

i m not being disrespectful, i have watched example solves nd stuff to no avail. that's why i said it was a waste of time for me

i m just giving my side of opinion as a beginner

cuz legit the only thing i understood from all this is that my f2l nd cross is bad nd i already knew that

i didn't find out anything new on how to actually improve it

[celest wave]

ok, what would be helpful for you? can you detail what youd appreciate that would help you out?

[coarse frost]

other than just practice how to solve the entire cross in inspection

[coarse frost]

bro i was asked to do this. idk

anything solid, hey do this here and try to understand this concept right here which is what u did wrong

improving f2l efficiency is what i was already working on, but thats just learning advanced f2l as jperm uses in his video titles

and as far as cross was concerned, i did it similar, i inserted something relative and solved 3 and then inserted the last one

so what did i do so wrong

thats what i mean

by not getting anything new out of it

u r trying to see it from a perspective of someone who can already solve really well

[celest wave]

the cross solution was correct, you did what id do

[coarse frost]

again my time was 1:13 while people r getting sub 60 without even using cfop

nd if i didn't do anything super wrong

cuz my f2l must have been not as efficient

but that means i need efficient f2l to get sub 60 which is not what i heard before

[celest wave]

only issue is that the angle in which you did it from was not the best, ill record another video explaining a bit

[coarse frost]

everyone seemed to treat sub 60 as u can just get sub 60 easily with cfop

[celest wave]

you dont, beginner f2l can definitely get you sub 50-45 even

[coarse frost]

so what am i doing wrong

thats the whole point of this

[simple osprey]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[coarse frost]

cuz ur tips r improve cross and learn efficient f2l

[celest wave]

i never said such things

[coarse frost]

u also said u did it from the wrong angle but ur solution was good

so how am i not sub 60

[coarse frost]

well u have to explain why mine isn't if u can get 45 with beginner f2l

which is what i did

[coarse frost]

lol nd thats why i said respectfully this was a waste of time. not to say u didnt try to help me. but i just shared how i felt cuz nothing can be said

[celest wave]

the moves that you did to solve the cross were good and correct. the angle in which you did those moves could be improved. just give me like 2 minutes, ill record a video

[coarse frost]

no i got that but r u saying i got 1:13 instead of sub 60 cuz i chose the wrong angle

i must be doing something horribly wrong

if sub 60 is childs play

but i m not getting it with cfop

[celest wave]

no, i never even implied something like that

but it will improve your times for sure

[coarse frost]

cuz thats what the community has led me to believe

i m like genuinely just trying to figure out where i m going horribly wrong

ik u r legit, u wouldn't record a video if u weren't genuine

by that logic, i can see i m not getting something here

i get the feeling but i can't quite grasp, what is it

[simple osprey]

i think you should work on your fingertricks

in f2l youre regripping for like every move

and ll algs like you just gotta practice them, it doesnt look like you have them in muscle memory but only memorized algs chopped up in triggers

[coarse frost]

well yea thats how the algs were taught in cube head video, like tryna follow the pair nd stuff

idk if i need to relearn them as 1 whole thing or just doing them enuf times will improve that

cuz without triggers, it's just going to be 1 big alg

[coarse frost]

as for the regrips, yea i need to look for where the edges nd cross pieces are and position them

[simple osprey]

?

[coarse frost]

cuz i need an empty slot also to pair them up

[simple osprey]

no like regrips, not rotations

[coarse frost]

so i need to insert them better? like that?

nd where can i learn that? cuz videos just teach cases of f2l nd how to insert them by putting them over a slot

[simple osprey]

regripping is when you take one hand off the cube and then grip it somewhere else

[coarse frost]

lol basically my entire solves r fked. cross is bad, f2l is inefficient to the point of regrips and insertion, my ll algs r also done by triggers instead of one whole thing

every step is fked

gg

[simple osprey]

like to do R moves i see you regrip your thumb to the bottom and then to do the R' move you grip your thumb on the top

[simple osprey]

i am not talking about solutions

i'm talking fingertricks

[coarse frost]

no i got what u meant

while doing my insertions or moves i need to do f2l, i m regripping instead of using good finger tricks to do all those tasks

but how do i learn that now

• if my solutions r also inefficient then i also need to first change my solutions then learn finger tricks for those

lol

cuz lets take jperms video on when u first learn f2l

move away the side white corner sticker to where u can still see it

thats the first step

before u put the edge at the correct place

if i move the corner to the left side with a U move

now i need to rotate and regrip if i wanna do the rest

[simple osprey]

f2l fingertricks are pretty simple and they are mostly the same for all solutions

[coarse frost]

that's just insertion, my technique is fine for that

what about others

or if u can link me where i can see good techniques for all

[coarse frost]

I insert exactly the same in this position

[celest wave]

@coarse frost please recognize that i legit wanna help you lol

[trim grail]

You dont need to focus on dont pause

[coarse frost]

ik bro i just dont know how to improve the things that i need to improve

[trim grail]

Your not ready for dont pause

[coarse frost]

thank you

thats what i was saying, dont pause occurs automatically when u get fast enuf on the concept u r executing

lol

its not a helpful comment

[trim grail]

When you have better solutions and better efficiency then you work on lookahead cross+ 1aka less pauses

But i recomend learning better f2l efficiency

And focus on learing better cross solutions

That are at most 8 moves

[coarse frost]

this is great but lol this is not whats holding me back from sub 60

[celest wave]

it is an aspect of whats holding you back

to get faster at cubing you have to improve every step

[coarse frost]

no but saving half a second or something shouldnt be my concern when my concepts themselves r lacking

not to mention i m not even using a 2 hand timer like that

[coarse frost]

I see

[celest wave]

your cross took you 8 seconds to do, these tips could very easily cut the time down in half

https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLI24ciRbl8BWbmb42GW5BDinKfKVq79WD&si=Ol125sJCxESTWWjN

https://youtu.be/BtDLfh0XZkE?si=A8Pe3fBJ7FqdAz-T

anyhow, watch these videos for cross in this playlist (except xcross and cross+1, thats way too advanced)

and these intuitive f2l solutions

[coarse frost]

so u r recommending to learn that stuff in advanced cross video then

[celest wave]

dog, theres no such thing as advanced cross

[coarse frost]

bro

[celest wave]

advanced cross, what is that

[coarse frost]

look at what i said

[celest wave]

its just cross

[coarse frost]

to learn the stuff in advanced cross video

i m referring to the title of the video

[celest wave]

THERES NO SUCH THING AS ADVANCED CROSS

[coarse frost]

nd i didnt say it is advanced cross

i m referring to the video

u gotta ask jperm to change the title idk for me to call it something else

i just said to learn the stuff in this video

[celest wave]

ok im out, were all trying to help you and you just have this sour, contrarian mood

[coarse frost]

stuff in the video, i m learning it. i m not calling it the advanced cross

[coarse frost]

no u r getting mad at me nd i didn't call it the advanced cross

i referred to the title of the video

lol

u r mistaking me, not the other way around

[simple osprey]

? the moves are the same but the way you do them not

[coarse frost]

no i meant for that insertion, that is how i insert it too, same move also.

the other parts ik i m regripping a lot

but is there a video i can watch to see what finger tricks to use in f2l cases

[simple osprey]

idk man i saw you do stuff like thumb to bottom R U then thumb to top R'

[coarse frost]

Aight, so is there anywhere i can learn these finger tricks?

[celest wave]

https://youtu.be/wLuVF9Dk3AQ?si=gj2JBGq-HqnR7Aar