13.274 (avg about 20)

[wintry snow]

This is really pointless

Please can you request with a normal solve

[steep stag]

i literally generated a normal scramble

[wintry snow]

Good for you

[steep stag]

so this is normal

[wintry snow]

But critiques are very very pointless unless it’s a typical average solve

[steep stag]

so 5 solves?

[wintry snow]

No

Just do a solde where it’s similar to your normal times

And where you don’t skip steps

[steep stag]

ok

i delete this?

[wintry snow]

No because then you won’t be able to post another for a while

Just send your new request here

[steep stag]

ok

R F' R2 U F2 B' R U' B' D2 R2 L' D2 F2 U2 D2 R F2 B2

17.777

I FORGOT HOW TO RECONTRUCT

YEAH I FORGOT

[lavish gale]

its alr

mostly just work on ur lookahead

thats really all there is for me to say.

[steep stag]

wait i just woke up

i think i can recontruct

[lavish gale]

pff good morning then

[lavish gale]

no its alr

[steep stag]

inspection: y2 Cross: R F R' D2 R' U' R'

FIRST PAIR: d' R U R'

SECOND PAIR: Y' L' U' L y' U' R U R'

THIRD PAIR: R' U R U R' U2 R

FOURTH PAIR: U L' U2 y' U' R U R'

OLL: U2 F R' F R2 U' R' U' R U R' F2

PLL: U x R' D R' U2 R D' R' U2 R2 b

[halcyon fulcrum]

@steep stag has reached level 6. GG!

[steep stag]

RIght when i finished lol

[lavish gale]

lmfao

[steep stag]

there

[lavish gale]

A perm?

also u write rotations in lowercase btw

[steep stag]

and i know its right cuz the last layer is stuck in my brain

[lavish gale]

pff

[steep stag]

so did you even need that

[lavish gale]

not really 😂

but

still can be useful

ur a perm is interesting…

[steep stag]

how?

[lavish gale]

usually we do A perms differently

we do D2 instead of U2

[steep stag]

i learned that alg for corner orientation when i first learn ed to solve it

x R' D R' U2 R D' R' U2 R2

then i found out its just a version of Aa perm

and for Ab perm i just mirrored it

[lavish gale]

Ab perm its better to do the reverse

[steep stag]

dam thats too hard for me

[lavish gale]

u get used to it

i used to mirror my Aa perm for Ab perm too

but when i switched to reverse Aa perm its alot better

takes a while to get used to but its worth it

[steep stag]

but i mean yeah the Ab perm alg for me is kinda uncomfortable

[lavish gale]

also the standard A perm alg is x (x follows direction of R btw) R’ U R’ D2 R U’ R’ D2 R2

Aa perm

Ab perm is just reversed

[steep stag]

oh

[lavish gale]

the D2 might be tricky to fingertrick (pinky-ring/ring-pinky) but when u get used to it its insanely fast

[steep stag]

ill stick to my upside down a perm please

[lavish gale]

no do the standard alg

it might be harder to switch

but really worth it

[steep stag]

mine is just as fast

i can do it in 1.338

and all my other pll algs are like about 0.9 - 1.5

[lavish gale]

i can do my a perm in 0.7 seconds

[steep stag]

my cube rn is a lil slippery

[lavish gale]

same

[steep stag]

and you have a gan

[lavish gale]

which is known to be uncontrollably fast

hardware isnt the factor here

[steep stag]

this is my a perm

[lavish gale]

haha funny cube throw

anyway but um

i think the D2 is better cuz AUF

[wintry snow]

more of a disadvantage

[lavish gale]

exactly

i havent put any slow lubes on it aswell 💀

[wintry snow]

aperms are a shit alg in general
personally I just pray that I dont get them

[lavish gale]

i kinda like a perms…

[steep stag]

i prefer G perms honestly

[wintry snow]

I mean

[wintry snow]

my aperms are worst and I can still get sub 10 with them

its not the problem

[steep stag]

sub 10 wat da hell

[lavish gale]

id prefer a perms than g perm lol

i did sub 10 a few times with A perm

[wintry snow]

sub 10 isn't that impressive when you get to it

[lavish gale]

yeah

[steep stag]

whenever i get a perm, it ruins my sub 20 solve

[lavish gale]

use the standard alg

please

or at least give it a try

[wintry snow]

thats just a problem in other areas

[wintry snow]

what's the standard?

[lavish gale]

yeah usually we blame pll for slow solves cuz recency biasness but really f2l is probably slowing u down the most

[lavish gale]

x R’ U R’ D2 R U’ R’ D2 R2

[wintry snow]

yeah

[wintry snow]

I'm legitimately trash at pll tho

[lavish gale]

Maybe doing time attacks will help

[steep stag]

idk how max siauw does it

[wintry snow]

my cross and f2l are usually better, I took a 2 week break

[lavish gale]

some sub10 guy recently recommended me doing time attacks to i prove pll

[wintry snow]

what are time attacks

[steep stag]

he was at my first competition and he solve my mega minx in like 10 seconds

[wintry snow]

sure...

[steep stag]

no but just tge last layer

[lavish gale]

pll spam

[steep stag]

i figured out the rest myself

ok so what should i fix in my solves othe than the a perm

[wintry snow]

Ll sub 10 isn’t that difficult

Wr for full solve is like 25 or smth ridiculous

[lavish gale]

lookahead

[steep stag]

nothing else?

[wintry snow]

Your f2l looks quite inefficient

Same with cross

[lavish gale]

yesh

[wintry snow]

Id say it’s more recognition than lookahwad

Id recommend doing slow solves and maybe 2gen

[steep stag]

wait so how do i make when efficient

[wintry snow]

do less moves

[steep stag]

how

i just take out some moves and now its still solved?

[wintry snow]

Pretty much yeah

[steep stag]

you're telling me

i can just do R

and now its solved?

[wintry snow]

Not quite

[steep stag]

THEN HOW DOES THAT WORK

[wintry snow]

R F' R2 U F2 B' R U' B' D2 R2 L' D2 F2 U2 D2 R F2 B2

This was your solution

Imma see what stuff can be improved

[steep stag]

other than the a perm yes

[wintry snow]

First thing I notice is you do 2 rotations for 1 pair

Ideally you should do f2l rotationless

[steep stag]

how do. i do that

[wintry snow]

You’re gonna hate this

But just

Don’t rotate

[steep stag]

..

skibidi toilet

[lavish gale]

u do all 21 plls as fast as possible without stopping

[wintry snow]

You should be able to work out how to do f2l cases from any angle into any slot

work out because algs are bad

[steep stag]

watt ha hellllllllllll

[wintry snow]

There are a few rare cases where it may be ok to rotate but there’s only like 2 cases I can think of

[steep stag]

how many times during all of f2l can i rotate

[wintry snow]

Preferable 0

[steep stag]

but for decently fast?

[lavish gale]

max once

maximum of once

[wintry snow]

Preferably 0

[lavish gale]

yeah

[steep stag]

ok

[lavish gale]

also learn intuitive f2l

[steep stag]

can i still do Dw moves

[lavish gale]

and try to solve each f2l pair in 8 moves or less (apart from a few special cases)

[wintry snow]

They’re kinda an unnecessary gimmick

[lavish gale]

dont

[steep stag]

y

[lavish gale]

unless ur super high level and know what ur doing

[lavish gale]

its unneccessary

[steep stag]

what if i just know what im doing

[lavish gale]

are u sure u know what ur doing?

[wintry snow]

Rotationless f2l can be done quite easily

Even with 1 hand

[steep stag]

like if i would need to do a u move but also rotatde i could do a dw move

[wintry snow]

That would never happen tho

Because you never need to do a rotation

[steep stag]

that happened to me quite alot

[lavish gale]

doesnt really happen much

if u need to do a rotation to insert an edge

U can do Fw moves

[steep stag]

how

[lavish gale]

its pretty advanced but its pretty good too

f R f’

try experimenting with it

f R/R’ f’

or f L/L’ f’

ill send example

[steep stag]

thats just a weird R U R and L U L

[wintry snow]

It’s the back split case

[lavish gale]

yes but avoids rotation

i only recommend doing this if ur lookahead is good enough

cuz its harder to lookahead with this

[steep stag]

😳😳😳😳😳😳😳😳😳

[wintry snow]

There’s also back inserts like this

[lavish gale]

yeah but kinda long

[brazen violet]

dude why are there so much people critiquing his but nobody for mine: (

[steep stag]

cuz look how goddamn fast you are compared to me

[halcyon fulcrum]

@steep stag has reached level 7. GG!

[wintry snow]

That’s not why

[wintry snow]

I just didn’t see your post

I’ll have a look in a bit

[steep stag]

i saw urs

[wintry snow]

There’s only 2 of us here critiquing

[lavish gale]

ok ok ill critique urs

[steep stag]

ik the back insert

[wintry snow]

Then why do you need rotations

[steep stag]

wait why is there a m' move in there

[wintry snow]

Because you need B moves otherwise

[steep stag]

i would just do R' U' R

[wintry snow]

Wrong case

That’s if it’s a split pair

[steep stag]

then R' U R

[wintry snow]

This shows it better

[lavish gale]

just do f R’ f’ wdym

[steep stag]

just do a U' R' U R

[lavish gale]

wut

[wintry snow]

Nahhh

[lavish gale]

thats what i do

[wintry snow]

Then you lose the back edge

[lavish gale]

if its for split pair usuually i just do S moves instead of f moves

[steep stag]

WHAT BACK EDGE

[lavish gale]

try it urself

[wintry snow]

Your original solution fucked up the back cross edge

[lavish gale]

yeah

Its useful for roux tho

[wintry snow]

Idk about you guys, but my solution is cubehead approved

Actually I stole it from him when helping with a secret project 🤫

[steep stag]

I DOnt usually have a problem with swears but now i feel like you're being mean

[lavish gale]

what

[wintry snow]

How old are you?

[lavish gale]

yeah im pretty curious too

[green narwhal]

? No

[wintry snow]

…?

[green narwhal]

Rotations are ok if solving a pair rotationless requires a lot of uncomfortable F moves or other weird tricks

You should definitely rotate max once per pair

[wintry snow]

It’s very unusual for it to be faster

[green narwhal]

I would say it usually is, even if you look at some of the top soeedcubers you’d see that they’d rather rotate and do a standard solution than do unnecessarily many F moves or use fancy tricks

CFOP is not made to be rotationless and it’s often more efficient and faster with rotations

[wintry snow]

Not from what I’ve seen

[green narwhal]

I’ve just looked through some reconstructions on scdb and you can barely see any F moves in F2L, while rotations/wide d moves are pretty common

[lavish gale]

for this level its probably better to not do d moves yet

[halcyon fulcrum]

@lavish gale has reached level 57. GG!

[lavish gale]

but yeah do rotations if u need to

hi matt