#elder-scrolls-lore

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sleek grove
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I like that name

stark socket
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It's straight from the sources "Tiber War" is

sleek grove
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Well yea, multiple seasons

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or have a bunch of multiple eps

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It'd be nice to see them adapt certain events for TES but I think they'll go for something original if they did

stark socket
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Ah, I had the plural in mind. "Tiber War". But many campaigns over decades.

hardy quarry
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I'd like Tiber Septim if they could do him right. He is a very complex character

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It's hard to write a man who wants the world and loves it but is willing to kill anyone who gets in his way. Even people he loves

sleek grove
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With the Right Actor and right script, i think Tiber can be done

hardy quarry
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Tiber would probably be most interesting seen from a third person view and lacking all of the information

pastel sorrel
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Plus also there's the complexity with his various shared identities with Wulfharth and Zurin

hardy quarry
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Well this presumably would be Tiber the man

sleek grove
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Could always set the War in the perspective of a Solider and what it was like to be fighting in the war

pastel sorrel
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Sure, Hjalti, but there's Tiber the man and then Tiber the men.

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sleek grove
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In the final ep just have the Numidium going, blow all the remaining budget on it

pastel sorrel
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Nah, pull a fast one and make the Numidium sequence a tokusatsu sequence

sleek grove
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Was it confirmed that the Numidium broke time because of the Thalmor?

pastel sorrel
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it's just a dude in a rubber suit

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... where are the Thalmor involved in that

hardy quarry
pastel sorrel
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Numidium's broken time every time it's been activated, i've literally never heard any notion of the Thalmor having anything to do with that.

sleek grove
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Hmm, the Thalmor would of been doing something though right? Didn't the Numidium explode?

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The Blades try and peice it together which results in the Warp in the West

pastel sorrel
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... no

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@ the Thalmor having to do with anything

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The Numidium was destroyed in the battle between Hjalti and Zurin

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well after the conquest of Tamriel was complete

sleek grove
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I c, I was thinking it shouldn't just explode even if it hates reality

pastel sorrel
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It exploding again ion the Warp is, as far as anyone knows, attributed to the Underking reclaiming his heart and destabilizing the Numidium again

sleek grove
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In the Warp wasn't it destroyed for good?

pastel sorrel
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There's no indication either way

sleek grove
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hard to tell, I wonder how Akulakhan would of reacted to reality

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Same design, not sure if material wise it's different

stark socket
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Numidium does not break Time=Dragon by purpose and design. That's just a side effect.

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sleek grove
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No I meant Akulakhan was from the same blueprints

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I know the reality breaking is a side effect

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pastel sorrel
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Never said it was necessarily by design (though to be fair, i doubt it's unintentional), just that it happens anyway

stark socket
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^ yep

sleek grove
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I see it as a new born child, but a angry one with god powers

stark socket
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More an artifical brainchild of Kagrenac's teachings.

fallen panther
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If each continent is a part of the past, present and future as has been suggested, there may be good reason why other continents are not explored.

sleek grove
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Depends if you follow MK but Tiber Septim went to Atmora right? The last to do so and meet something

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Or if he didn't it's a wasteland?

robust lintel
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Whats wrong with seeing them on different timeliness or different sections? I'm not saying the entire thing. Time-travel could eventually be expanded on as well.

fallen panther
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I couldn't remember if that was Kirkbride or not

sleek grove
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I'm stepping into outside my territory in lore but I like learning new things

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robust lintel
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They did certain sections of Skyrim again in ESO (ZoS)with different content too.

sleek grove
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I think if we will ever see Yokuda it'd be in TES VI. Providing it's hammerfell

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Still has trade routes and stuff and not as mysterious as say Akavir. A chunk of it is underwater too

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But I think it was Todd that said there is plenty more to do in Tamriel, so it's unlikely

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Could see the Redguard afterlife again tho

fallen panther
sleek grove
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Out of all the other continents I think Yokuda is a best bet, if ever. Maybe Pyandonea as that'd be interesting, with the vegetation

uncut hatch
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It’s not big too… I dunno where that sentence was going

fallen panther
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Dunno how accurate this is but thought this map on the ESO forum was interesting nonetheless

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sleek grove
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We had a map of Akavir nearly but it's not canon as that art was cut for having a fan rendition of Akavir on it. and they don't want us to know what it looks like

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Pyandonea was on it too

uncut hatch
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I still find it odd nirn’s continents are islands

fallen panther
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It's certainly a Mercator Projection style so the scale gets more distorted the further from the equator you go

sleek grove
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Atmora, or at least an big island, was north of Tamriel too

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lemme find the image

fallen panther
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Australia and Antarctica are both islands in the real world

sleek grove
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on the actual card notice Nirn is blank

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plush orchid
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Aldmeris on a map KEK

sleek grove
fallen panther
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And if Central America was underwater, both Americas would seem to be islands as well

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plush orchid
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Yeah they removed it the artist made Nirn off fan art

sleek grove
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Pyandonea must exist but Aldmeris idk

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Maybe Pyandonea was Aldmeris once

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sleek grove
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interesting

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quartz shuttle
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Aldmeris is probably not a literal place, but rather a pre-Convention concept of Merish unity.

plush orchid
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In short, the Barrier is weakening, and I know why. Moreso, I have uncovered a conspiracy that stretches back to Dawntime and the split of Aldmeris. Empire Actual is threatened by forces of previous realities, and the Ayleids are not destroyed at all. -Nu mantia intercepts

sleek grove
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We got nice art of Tiber Septim out of Legends though so I'm happy. First saw him fully in Redguard of all things as he sat of his throne

pastel sorrel
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Reminder that continents are islands, they routinely float around on tectonic plates. Every now and then they mash back up like with Pangaea

fallen panther
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Continents, if you really get down to it, are just islands of granite floating on top of the denser mantle.

pastel sorrel
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an island is just a wide section of the crust that's poking above the water

sleek grove
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Earth once kinda looked like Tamriel

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when everything was together, or am I thinking of forward in time? idk lol

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robust lintel
sleek grove
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Pyan? That's the Maormer home or Tropical Elves

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I just picture a prehistoric jungle

pastel sorrel
sleek grove
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Thalmor were formed in the mid Second Era

pastel sorrel
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they already existed as a small faction

sleek grove
pastel sorrel
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"tasked with safeguarding Altmeri heritage", whatever that entails.

sleek grove
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Aldmeri Dominion as a name came from Queen Ayrenn tho right?

quartz shuttle
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Really bot? Fine.

sleek grove
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Dyno strict

pastel sorrel
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then when Ayrenn formed the AD, she elevated the Thalmor to its executive branch.

quartz shuttle
sleek grove
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The first only let men join because it's in a MMO

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They do treat you different slightly if you are one of the Man races i think. Could be very wrong on that, haven't really fully tested it

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Only in passing tho

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Well in Skyrim we know they are all Altmer, so it's any race but Altmer they dislike

fallen panther
sleek grove
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do we know how they operate?

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Like is there a council or a leader

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in ESO it's through the Queen of Summerset

fallen panther
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Well, we have Skyrim as the only real example. Pretty brutally judging by that

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Oh I see what you meant

sleek grove
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They are brutal, they took out my boi from Oblivion

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Ocato I think his name was

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He saw they were a threat while he controlled the Empire and they took him out, there is like one book on it

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All early Fourth Era, they became a superpower fast. Got control of Summerset back and manipulated the Khajiits

golden sierra
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Potentate Ocato, yeah

golden sierra
sleek grove
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Kinda Scary as in-universe goes. The one person who knew the threat gone

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Got worse from there, all clashed with the great War, the Dominion got their 3 Provinces back by then

golden sierra
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well, the Blades knew it (you are talking about the Thalmor, right?) was a threat, but uh

no one listened to em

sleek grove
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So with the Blades were they banned and hunted because they were connected to Tiber or?

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Before Tiber they were the Dragonguard right?

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Or am i thinking of way before that

golden sierra
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i'ma get banned by the end of the month at this rate, pfft

golden sierra
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sleek grove
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They got reformed anyway as a completely separate operation faction

golden sierra
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less reformed, more replaced, tbh

uncut hatch
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Where did my blades character end up though…?

sleek grove
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The way Delphine talks about the Blades it just makes me think they are just the Dragonguard again now

uncut hatch
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Oh wait he’s retired

golden sierra
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individual members of the Blades seem to have taken entirely separate paths after it was disbanded

sleek grove
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Serving the Dragonborn, that was after Tiber right?

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The Dragonguard just hunted them, Dragons not Dragonborn whoops, which is essentially what they do in Skyrim

golden sierra
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the Dragonguard hunted dragons, and then served the Dragonborn (Reman and his bloodline). it just so happens that serving the Dragonborn and serving the Emperor were the same thing for a long time

sleek grove
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I'm assuming the Dragonguard that Tiber reformed was the Dragonguard ||Sai Sahan reformed in ESO||

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ESO Dragonhold spoilers if you care

golden sierra
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haven't played Dragonhold and don't know much about it, so i'm not sure

sleek grove
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basically ||reformed to do their last purpose||

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Sai very talented boi

pastel sorrel
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In lieu of all that, all they've got left is going back to their roots in response to the return of the dragons.

sleek grove
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If they return with the name Blades in VI I'd prefer if they became Dragonguard again

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Same thing but name sake

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I'm sure one Dragon will appear in VI, maybe. Maybe not but depends how far ahead we are going and such

pastel sorrel
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Doesn't have to be ahead, Blades is set 21 years before TES5 and has a dragon. They're still around, just hiding.

sleek grove
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True, in ESO ||many were hiding||

golden sierra
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again, it appears that different Blades went looking for different purposes. some, like Delphine, went looking for the Dragonborn. some simply retired, like Fultheim, and drank their life away. some, like the Warrior or whatever his name is from TES: Blades, just returned home to settle back into life (if you could call it that in this case). some became mercenaries/adventurers (i believe one example of this appears in TES: Legends)... so on and so forth

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some straight up just hunted dragons ||(this also appears in TES: Blades)||

sleek grove
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||Nafaalilargus, also known as Nahfahlaar is in ESO|| Again DragonHold spoilers if you don't want to be spoilt. I know it's 2019 content but

golden sierra
sleek grove
plush orchid
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Lol

golden sierra
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wow. again. i really have to get better at this, heh

sleek grove
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I simp for Dwemer Lore, so the gods don't really interest me, but I think Tiber Talos should be a god. hides Talos Amulet merch

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Sry Talos is 3 things *I put Tiber

golden sierra
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there's very little "should" about it, he pretty much just uh

is

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although i guess you could claim that he shouldn't be a god despite being a god, or that he both should be a god and is a god

robust lintel
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If the original blades were Akaviri, why do they look so human? Or was this before the humans all got eaten in Akavir?

sleek grove
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Did Lorkhan use any of his power to make Mundus? His body is the Moons and the Divines bodies are Planets and Moons of Planets.

golden sierra
sleek grove
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Well after the Warp there are 4 moons I think?

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Necro Moon, Normal moons and the third one that is weird and is tied to the Mane

golden sierra
sleek grove
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The way I see it is there should be 9 divine spots

golden sierra
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there are 8+1

sleek grove
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Talos is taking a empty spot, well idk if Lorkhan is dead, dead or not

golden sierra
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8 (the 8 Divines) + 1 (LKHAN)

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right, sorry, prolly shouldn't use Ehlnofex there

  • 1 (Lorkhan/Shezarr/Shor/Talos/whatever)
sleek grove
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Lorkhan the trickster, idk why I think of Loki when I think of that. I wonder why

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To some he's a god like the others as Shor but to other's he's a curse and a liar

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Lokir of Rorikstead says Shor in his plead to the gods

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I've seen people get confusion over Trinimac/Malacath and are they the same entity. I see why but I'm sure he's the same thing just different titles

golden sierra
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he is not the same thing just different titles. Boethiah ate Trinimac and Trinimac came back out as Malacath. they have many of the same core ideals, just Malacath's versions are a bit... twisted. the elves that followed Trinimac and continued following him after he became Malacath turned into the Orsimer, or orcs, their forms changing to match his new form and the change he underwent

sleek grove
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I thought people still name and follow Trinimac?

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idk anymore lol

golden sierra
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some orcs, for example, believe that Trinimac just tricked Boethiah and everyone else into thinking that he was corrupted. Altmeri religion uses Trinimac as an example for why Dunmeri and Daedric influence is dangerous

sleek grove
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But Trinimac is now Malacath once he was reformed

golden sierra
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yes

sleek grove
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Interesting to know

golden sierra
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i believe there's a legend about it in a lorebook somewhere, i can probably find it. gonna have to gimme a sec tho

sleek grove
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Do we have an understanding why King Dumac of the Dwemer had the title Dwarf-Orc? or Dumalacath?

golden sierra
golden sierra
sleek grove
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Nice to know, helps with my lore writing books. I have a book on Dumac in my Kagrenac temple with those titles and his Dumac Dwarfking title Skyrim mod work I'm doing

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Not a temple in the way you think. Not praise to Kagrenac, well beside his intellect

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In TES VI i'd like to hear more about how Dwemer leader Rourken used Spellbreaker to fight against Shalidor

pastel sorrel
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The relationship between the Dwemer and Orsimer (and especially Malacath) is unknown, but there's something going on because Malacath is strangely present in Dwemeri matters, even listed as an explicit enemy of theirs

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Snagging Volendrung, "Dumac Dwarf-Orc", various other stuff

sleek grove
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Malacath got hold of Volendrung but it is not a normal hammer

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I see it as it'll come to a worthy wielder

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Or some god summons it, like Malacath

pastel sorrel
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It's Malacath's hammer now, only time someone else calls it in is if they stole it like Sheogorath likes to do

sleek grove
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I wanna know how Rourken threw it over a continent. The thing could never do that under normal swinging

pastel sorrel
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Rourken was just built different

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Or the hammer was. Might've been some Mjolnir-style shenanigans where the thing basically flies by itself

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dude was just like "YEET" and it travels a whole continent

sleek grove
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I have a vague tie in to Volendrung since I'm using Dwemer as a core theme in my mod. My City will hold it till Malacath gives you it in his quest. Providing you complete the quest after installing my mod. Issues arise else.

proven gust
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Hi all! I'm not a loremaster by any stretch, but love to read about it. I'm usually a fly on the wall but was recently thinking how in TES VI I'd love it if the different guilds offered a lore/history class that you could pay for and attend in-game, answer questions from the professor and even go on lore-based quests/field trips to search for knowledge. At the end of the course, you could write an exam that, if you pass, you would get a degree as a Loremaster in that Guild or something. I'm pretty sure even if Bethesda reads this, they probably wouldn't implement it, but maybe it's an idea for any modders out there.

Anyway, I'm really enjoying reading all these messages about ES lore. Going back to my wall lol. Cheers!

sleek grove
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Outside the Dwemer ties I know little other Lore. I try and keep up tho

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I'm a curious one

sleek grove
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Usually if I can't make it work I cast it aside and work on it later on

sleek grove
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I reference it was semi used in the Three-Banner War slightly. In a note with the Hammer. PvP item but still thrown in to be wielded

pastel sorrel
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That was Sheogorath's shenanigans, stealing other Princes' artifacts and tossing them into Cyrodiil to watch the ensuing chaos

sleek grove
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Pretty much, just a reference. my Dwarf remembers the latter part of that war so it goes into his note about the hammer

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But in Cyrodiil that Hammer is crazy

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Although he never got the hammer until after Oblivion happened

brave shoal
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i usually took argonian to be ''primitive'' living in the swamp and all, but doing a quest in ESO, there talk of some ancient argonian empire/civilization who built pyramid ala aztec/maya? wonder why argonian never returned to that civilization's height ?

golden sierra
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the xanmeers?

brave shoal
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i think, not sure being some week i played but just remembered about those and it got me wondering

golden sierra
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tbh i think part of it is their structures just don't get destroyed as frequently, so they don't have to buid/rebuild as frequently

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i'm not saying they're primitive, i honestly don't think that's true, although i guess it depends on what you view as primitive

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i've never seen them as primitive, at least

brave shoal
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i mean, that ancient civilization built stone monument and seemed to have high level mages, compared to what ive seen of them living in mudhut and not being really know to be good mage (maybe that why, maybe ancient empire mage gone evil and argonian said nope? like night elf in wow)

golden sierra
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what makes you think mages are particularly uncommon in Argonian society in comparison to most?

brave shoal
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outside my player character in eso and maybe one novice in skyrim, never really seen or heard any

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while elves and human seen to have mage bleeding from everywhere

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except maybe nord but they still have enough,they just seem to not brag about magic

golden sierra
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Histmage, TES:Legends

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oh you were talking about ziggurats! 👀 i haven't really looked at these

anyways, afaik there's not much reason to think argonian mages are particularly less common than, say, Nord mages, Redguard mages, or Orsimer mages. i can't imagine they're as common as, say, Breton, Altmeri, or Dunmeri mages, although i guess i don't know how i'd go about proving any of that

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i can't really think of anywhere that their magical proficiency is mentioned, unless you for some reason consider racial bonuses to be indicative of it, which isn't always true. i guess i could double check the game's racial descriptions quick, but shrug

as for primitiveness, i don't quite know how to address that from something close to an objective point of view, either

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They are adept at any art involving the arcane, or involving thievery and sleight of hand.

  • Excerpt from Arena's description of Argonians

An intelligent, quick-footed, and agile people, Argonians often train in magery and thievery.

  • Excerpt from Daggerfall's description of Argonians

An intelligent, quick-footed, and agile people, Argonians often train in magery and thievery.

  • Excerpt from Morrowind's description of Argonians

The Argonians are possessed of a cool intellect, and are well-versed in the magical arts, stealth, and the use of blades.

  • Excerpt from ESO's description of Argonians
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4 of the 8 games that have Argonians in them describe them as magically proficient in the character creation screen

brave shoal
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i mean, if i go by racial (especially eso) i would say argonian may be good priest, which is still a type of magic. but otherwise from what i know of lore, high elves and breton are all uber magic user, other seem mixed (being good but not focusing on that study like the elves/breton) and then there (to me) argonian and orc that dont see to be sorcerer (orc seeming to favour martial art) while argonian seem maybe more about other type of magic than what a typical sorcerer do if any?

golden sierra
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hm... i really wish i knew how to address this in an unbiased way, cuz rn it's pretty much just us disagreeing on them seeming primitive, which is kinda at the heart of your question ("why did they start being primitive?")

robust lintel
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What I think it boils down to is the type of magic and magical sources?

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Pretty much all races have magical abilities. But they have different areas where they excel. For example, the Nords are exceptional when it comes to ice magic

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I could see Argonians having more of a voodoo, witch doctor, shaman vibe. The healing makes sense too with the hist and their regenerative trait in skyrim. So I'm guessing they were going for that kinda Mayan or Aztec theme there

brave shoal
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yeah, healing seem to fit with nature/druidic almost (?) kind of magic in many way since like bosmer, they seem very close to nature in many way

robust lintel
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Someone mentioned druids before, I ghink it was the cat man. But he associated druidery with High Rock and I kinda agree on that

golden sierra
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High Rock has druids somewhere in its history. i forget the specific places they're mentioned besides a dialogue or two from like, Daggerfall i believe

brave shoal
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yeah, by druidic, i mean nature magic. if there druid i'd imagine a bosmer first,not an argonian

robust lintel
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Nature or forest magic would prob fit wood elves the most and their archery.

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Yes close to nature, but in their own unique ways I think

brave shoal
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but still wonder why argonian prefer shattered clan society living in small village and not being unified under a kingdom (or republic if they want more liberty) like those ziggurat seem to show off. that mostly what make me wonder

robust lintel
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I suppose we'll dwelve into that chapter eventually

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As well as the Khajiit

brave shoal
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i though khaajiit had some central authority? dont know a lot about them but they seem to make major decision for their race/elseweyr more easily than argonian which boil down to: i speak only for myself, gimme some weeks to run to all other clans and try to convince them

plain ibex
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slams down loosely bound pages covered in fevered, nearly illegible scribbles
Thoughts? #skyrim-chat message

brave shoal
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like i read in ebonheart pact story, the argonian leader couldnt speak for his whole race, had to send runner to every vilalge to tell them about the pact and see if they where in/out

golden sierra
robust lintel
golden sierra
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i believe that Syfri has a chart that has crossovers and stuff like that somewhere on it, with the chart as a whole covering the... "levels" of...

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thinkvivec canonicity? that's not the word i'm looking for. idk if he'd be aight w me sharing it tho, although ig it's possible he's already shared it. or something. idk

plain ibex
plush orchid
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Syfri isn’t done writing it yet. I have poked him recently about it.

golden sierra
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ahh okay

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i believe that in the version of it that i saw, crossover stuff was in the bottom category 😛

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i do hope he shares it with the whole community when he does finish it, it seems like a useful chart

plain ibex
golden sierra
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i disagree, personally

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i don't think that viewing the Master Sword and other similar items as existing in-universe is particularly useful when discussing lore. i think it could make for an interesting prospect from a headcanon or fanfiction standpoint, but those are (somewhat) different from what we're talking about here (or at least what i think we're talking about here)

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if an entity or item that is a reference or crossover item is actually given some kind of significance in the lore, then sure, i could see it being useful... liiiike perhaps a Daedra whose name is a reference to a character from another game, or something, i can't think of a decent example off the top of my head. perhaps someone more knowledgeable than me could, but i hope i'm at least getting across what i'm trying to

plain ibex
# golden sierra if an entity or item that is a reference or crossover item is actually given som...

The question is, what constitutes enough lore significance? The Halo gear in Fable 2 all has descriptions relating to Hal, the mysterious man from another dimension who never took off his helmet and once he arrived there, it's mentioned his gear changed to fit the game's artstyle, along with the fact his gun which wasn't in the pre-order bonus (I miss those) shows up in one of the legitimate DLCs.

golden sierra
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as mentioned, i can't think of anything that, in my opinion, has enough significance to be particularly useful to think of as an in-universe item or entity. to go further than that, i would be really, really hard pressed to consider any crossover a full on universe crossover, where you can consider material from another universe that wasn't included directly in the crossover as existing in TES. liiiike, to look at the Zelda gear thing again; just because Link's stuff is in TESV doesn't mean that Link is automatically in TESV, let alone Zelda, or additional gear that wasn't included, so on and so forth

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that's not me saying that you can't talk about "what if" scenarios, just that i wouldn't consider them things that one could safely assume to be canon material in-universe

gosh i hope i'm not coming across overly harsh

plain ibex
golden sierra
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a) that falls under the "is not significant enough to be important" category to me
b) "no smith in Skyrim would make a blade so thin and wieldable." uhhh... could you explain your reasoning here?

plain ibex
golden sierra
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b) the Master Sword has the same issues, at least in Skyrim, if memory serves 😛

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i could double check since i have a Switch, if you'd like

robust lintel
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This is all a question only a traveler such as M'aiq The Liar can answer

uncut hatch
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A elder scroll sent the master sword to Tamriel weirdmer

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It said it’ll be fun

plain ibex
robust lintel
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Can of Raid

plain ibex
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Shadow Legends

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A really, really big rolled up newspaper.

robust lintel
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Lmao

pastel sorrel
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can probably one-shot a dragon with that.

dusky scaffold
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Are these chess moves or what?

pastel sorrel
dusky scaffold
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How's that related to Elder Scrolls lore?

pastel sorrel
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Diiiid you not scroll up ever so slightly to see the context :v

dusky scaffold
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I don't see any context...

uncut hatch
dusky scaffold
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Question remains

uncut hatch
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Because I joked that a elder scroll sent over the master sword and kruller joked that he wants a elder scroll to send a MA3 assault rifle next time

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Guns are lore. Just put a full soul gem on the end of a stick and now you have a gun

pastel sorrel
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Read the post i was responding to and then read the post it was responding to and literally directly above that is the entire conversation it was responding to.

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It's all just above, i'm not sure why you're failing to find the context of the discussion

fallen panther
sand flume
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reachmen come from a large variety of nedic ancestors, not just those of high rock

fallen panther
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You got me there

quartz shuttle
uncut hatch
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do reachmen use nature stuff? like actual question

robust lintel
robust lintel
white garden
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The space core could be used on the attronach forge, that seems pretty significant

robust lintel
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Reachmen to me are more a twisted form of druid ancestors, with their deer heads everywhere and bloody messes, lol. Kinda like the Falmer and Snow Elves

coral mantle
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pretty sure reachmen were written from robert e. howard's pickts (or is it picts). pure barbarians, were apes just yesterday

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oh, you're not talking about reachmen

robust lintel
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They are pretty barbaric lol

uncut hatch
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do reachmen use briarhearts or is that just a forsworn thing?

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im either being stubborn or im trying to dig into their culture more and i cant tell the difference

robust lintel
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I might be confusing the two

pastel pivot
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briarhearts are used by many reach clans, not just the forsworn (see ESO)

the difference is that one is the race and the other is the fourth era post-bear of markarth political faction but the difference is hard to see, maybe because BGS neglected the reachmen intentionally to make nord accounts more correct, maybe because the game was rushed

uncut hatch
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OH

uncut hatch
pastel pivot
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the forsworn faction didn't exist until a couple decades before TESV.

coral mantle
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in robert e. howard's fiction one such barbaric warlord made it as far to conquer fair Aquilonia, the most advanced kingdom in Hyborea, some sort of prehistoric roman empire. ZOS made up Longhouse emperors line, barbaric reachmen who sat on the ruby throne

fallen panther
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to be fair reachmen worship peryite who's like, the most nature guy there is. so i dunno why i asked if theyre nature people

pastel pivot
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bretons have their fair share of druids separate from the Reach as well, see wyrd covens

the reachmen pantheon was expanded greatly in ESO, the core ones are Hircine, Peryite, Namira, and Lorkh (Lorkhan). individual clans might worship others, I know ESO has a molag bal one for example

fallen panther
quartz shuttle
fallen panther
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😂

quartz shuttle
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Seriously though , anthropology is my jam. Even though i do nkthing with my degree

pastel sorrel
robust lintel
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I like Archaeology, which sometimes gets meshed with Anthropology.

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But it's more a hobby. My main thing is writing

robust lintel
ocean brook
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you're a writer too?

quartz shuttle
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So, while i have a degree in Anthropology, my specialisation was, in fact, in Archaeology. But i liked the entire field, outside of Forensics...

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Aaaand i also write. And paint. And draw. jack of all trades, master of none.

uncut hatch
robust lintel
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I only excel at writing. I fail at everything else 😁

uncut hatch
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Maybe painting and drawing too

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Issue drawing cartoony things

robust lintel
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Forensics was interesting to me, just not something I wanted to pursue

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I draw stick figures

uncut hatch
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everyone’s really good at history and stuff and I’m terrible at it

robust lintel
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If I had to do it, I am better with the colors then I am with the lines.

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I was better with Geography than History

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I figured you were good with Horticulture, Mr. Farmlands

uncut hatch
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Horticulture?

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I should change my nickname cause I’m not actually good at farming AA_kanye

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I’ve done it a lot when I was younger but I’m not good at it. I nearly killed my spider plant last year

robust lintel
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Lol

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Oh, is it farming in gamer terms?

uncut hatch
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So my blades character is called Farmer John and I kinda kept it as a name >_>

robust lintel
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Lol

uncut hatch
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Imma just…

sleek grove
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I like Maths, writing is something I only really got into during College. Idk how writing will be for story content in modding tho lol

uncut hatch
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Yeah…

robust lintel
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I hate math, but I need it for various things I like to do

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H7aunous sounds like a garden fertilizer..

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Sorry I know you as your other name so lol

uncut hatch
sleek grove
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I use to fail in Maths but I think my Autism kicked in once I figured out a method of manually working out things. I can't do the complicated maths though as I didn't get to continue college to go further

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By complicated I mean with the lines and x, y zs

uncut hatch
robust lintel
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I mean there is no right or wrong way to write. It just depends what you are going for and if you want other people to understand it or not

sleek grove
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My Dialogue usually comes out in about 2 mins of opening the dialogue window

pastel sorrel
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Writer checking in too.

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I've got a whole fanfic i'm working on right now.

uncut hatch
quartz shuttle
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I literally dabble in basically everything

uncut hatch
sleek grove
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I might pursue further maths later on, but I have a few things to work on for now

quartz shuttle
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Physics? Check. Biology? Check. History, and anthropology, and math, and chemestry? Check check check

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But again, don't think i'm particularly good at any of it

robust lintel
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It's the Algebra I need, formulas.

sleek grove
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I dropped out of History, so can't know much irl lore, but I can tell you Dwemer Lore no problem

quartz shuttle
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There is too much real world histroy to know much

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You HAVE to specialise

uncut hatch
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But like, story writing is the big motivation I have in life. I need that down and for people to see my characters

pastel sorrel
uncut hatch
sleek grove
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My specialty is Dwemer. Does it help in irl situations? No but I can have have fun with it still

uncut hatch
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Oh god is elder scrolls lore a specialty??

quartz shuttle
sleek grove
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Idk lol maybe

quartz shuttle
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And i was like "Wait? The Eldar are using paper now?"

uncut hatch
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You made me paranoid for a second there

sleek grove
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dexion is an elder, he read the scrolls. The elder scrolls

quartz shuttle
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Oh my god... are the Altmer just the Eldar of the ancient past?

sleek grove
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I think it can be a specialty if you want it to be. Whatever makes you happy is how I see it

quartz shuttle
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The callousness, arrogance, deserved sense of total superiority...

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It all makes sense now.

uncut hatch
sleek grove
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Aldmeri Dominion froge

quartz shuttle
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Aeldari Dominion!

sleek grove
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Not once, not twice but formed 3 times as a superpower

quartz shuttle
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You were warned of the perfidy of your actions. Now you shall pay the price, in blood.

sleek grove
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You'd think in TES they'd learn after 2 previous superpowers being dangerous

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Nope third time

uncut hatch
quartz shuttle
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Oh, just wait till they totally take over, and get so bored they start using childrens innards as painting materials

uncut hatch
sleek grove
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I'll be sitting in my Dwemer city watching the war

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Watching the Dominion win

quartz shuttle
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Seriously though, the Fall makes Molag Bal look tame.

uncut hatch
sleek grove
quartz shuttle
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Like, the internet loves to highlight the 'Murder-sex' thing for the Fall, but it was way, way, WAY worse

uncut hatch
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What’s the Fall?

quartz shuttle
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The collapse of the Aeldrai Empire in Warhammer 40,000

uncut hatch
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Oh warhammer lore

quartz shuttle
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They were so powerful and so self sufficient, they turned inward to stave off boredom over millions of years of ruling the galaxy

uncut hatch
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See this is another problem I have. I don’t really care about a lot of games or book series

quartz shuttle
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The end result was the birth of a Chaos God of hedonism, and the instant annihlation of 99.99% of their species, their souls being sent screaming into the new gods waiting gullet to suffer for all time.

robust lintel
quartz shuttle
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Warhammer is the only fictional setting i am as invested in as TES.

sleek grove
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The Aldmeri Dominion is pretty evil. The Dweemer did some cruel things but they didn't attempt total conquest. totally didn't have Tonal Resonators attempted to mind control armies or anything Wut

quartz shuttle
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The Thalmor have been handled terribly

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They're just comically evil

sleek grove
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The only other series I'm invested in is MCU..

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Well and soon Starfield

brave shoal
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i wish the ebonheart pact thing worked out, i thing their idea of having a council of all race/province to rule the continent would work maybe better than empire number 234

uncut hatch
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If spotted, you are to destroy <him/her> with extreme hatred
-Justiciar Execution Order letter
Makes me laugh every time

sleek grove
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I'm conflicted to how the Thalmor should be shown as evil, not meant to sympathise but they do feel in Skyrim one toned. Mention Talos and fight ensues

quartz shuttle
sleek grove
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I like that in Patrols where you mention Talos is a god and they get angry

uncut hatch
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They get angry if you don’t say anything

sleek grove
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I found out recently that you can if an Altmer can sneak all the way through the Thalmor Embassy

brave shoal
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i always kill them to get their cool robe then i ignore them

sleek grove
uncut hatch
sleek grove
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If you are Nordman then they go "Wait a minute.."

uncut hatch
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I hope they get more stuff added to them in tes 6 cause they make me laugh

sleek grove
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The Thalmor would already hate me. I own a Talos amulet

uncut hatch
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They’re like evil Disney goons that get pushed around but they’re also in a complicated world so they cause really bad issues

sleek grove
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I made them bad guys in my mod, but I'm uaing a split faction that are obssesed with Dwemer things. So they want to prove my Dwemer city exists and weaponise a litteral Time Gateway

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Also adding another side, up to you as the player

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I'm not original enough to make a new faction with history I guess lol

uncut hatch
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When I wanted to make a mod I wanted to add Thalmor that weren’t evil?

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I dunno how to explain it without going into a big ‘rant’

sleek grove
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I want to make them something you can side with as soon as you confront them

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Idk until I do it how well that'll go

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If the player wants to doom time, then I don't want to stop the player making that choice

uncut hatch
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Oh 😳

brave shoal
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could make thalmor group trying to work the ''public relation'' angle. like how they claim to have brought the moon back or beaten the oblivion crisis, despite ''doing that'' (probably all lie but hey), they probably still have to keep doing some good deed just to refresh memory. sure could make such a group cynical but could use genuine altruistic altmer believing in her cause?

sleek grove
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I ended up really choosing the Thalmor because I couldn't think of another faction that would as of Skyrim want to weaponise a time machine. Really basic version of what my mod concept is. It is and isn't

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Well side group of the faction tho, one that wants to prove such a device exists

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Ofc my content could still suck. I know it'll be buggy

fallen panther
quartz shuttle
robust lintel
quartz shuttle
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But really, yes we are.

sleek grove
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I kinda want to do something else with Thalmor after this project

uncut hatch
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They’re fun to use

sleek grove
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The way I picture the subgroup I made is they are conspiracy theorists. They can't prove something exists to their leaders so that's their motivation

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I'm having fun with this mod. Well not in a haha funny lol

uncut hatch
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Wish I had fun with my mod. Now I don’t even want it to be tes related

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The fan fiction has exceeded past fan fiction and into its own thing now >_>

fallen panther
sleek grove
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I use to play alot of that game when I was younger

uncut hatch
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I’ve had fan fictions become original before but it’s annoying cause I can’t put it down

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Oh well this isn’t tes related

sleek grove
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I feel you on that but yea.

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So those High Elves? Destroying Towers

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Anarchy

uncut hatch
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Not sure if they’re actually destroying towers

sleek grove
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Maybe, maybe not. Hard to say what the Higher-ups are thinking of direction

uncut hatch
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They most definitely want to cause genocide though

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True

sleek grove
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In TES VI they could play side again, hard to say

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I only know is probably we'll see largescale battles. Maybe, I know Todd in 2012 was a fan of them but the engine likes to play up rn

uncut hatch
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Why do the Thalmor wear black colours anyways?

sleek grove
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Absorbs heat. Although idk if they've figured it out yet

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That's something Dwemer would think of using a colour to absorb heat

uncut hatch
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Dwemer solar powered spiders

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Oh excuse me I meant Aetherius powered

sleek grove
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Aetherium has many applications, only the Dwemer could cut it. One forge in canon can and one non-canon in my mod

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Dwemer used many different Alloys, mainly in the Infernium Forge

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The most popular is Dwarven Brass which we probably will never know what makes it

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To me it's like Adamantium from Marvel we don't know what the metals involved are to make it

robust lintel
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I know naval warships are already in the lore. But I'm just curious.. any mention of underwater naval vessels yet? You know like subs

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TES and deep sea exploration

uncut hatch
sleek grove
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I don't think so. If anyone would it'd of been Seht

robust lintel
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We've been on the land for so long.. I just wonder what is lurking in the depths..

uncut hatch
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Maormer time

sleek grove
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Supposedly there is a monster out of the sea of Highrock that attacks ships

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One map depicts such a thing iirc?

uncut hatch
sleek grove
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The most we've really gotten was in Redguard

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One large Sea creature

uncut hatch
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In eso there’s sea serpents… and slaughter fish…

robust lintel
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Any gods or Aedra/Daedra associated with the deep underwater sea?

sleek grove
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Rest of the games are slaughter fishes and with no combat underwater you are screwed far out in sea

uncut hatch
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Heard molag is related to the ocean

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Which is weird cause his name means fire stone

plush orchid
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You have Molag Bal who was worshipped by the Dreughs in the previous Kalpa.

sleek grove
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The Maormer can swin fast, but idk. Must be pain to swim from Pyandonea to Sumemrset everytime you want to make conflict

robust lintel
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Fr tho, we got dragons in the sky and Starfield up in space. How about the dark watery depths sometime?

uncut hatch
sleek grove
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Would of loved to seen Sky Whales

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Kinda do if you put on your tin foil hat in a Dwemer ruin

uncut hatch
sleek grove
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That one ruin that is annoying to get to

sleek grove
uncut hatch
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Thank god

sleek grove
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I love that Universe but it's not as grabbing for me, like 3 games in the setting

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Also offtopic lol

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I'm excited to see how they approach VI in size

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In lore and actual size

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I'd love to see more of Yokudan architecture and lore

robust lintel
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It'll probably be a jump. The last real TES they did was Skyrim in 2011 and last big SP 2015 with F4. Yes, it's been that long so far

sleek grove
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Also they are making the game they always wanted to make rn

robust lintel
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Didn't even see a TES title on X1. Besides special Skyrim

sleek grove
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But VI has massive potential, especially for MS

robust lintel
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Yup, next SP won't drop for another year

sleek grove
robust lintel
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I was referring to SP's only, plus BGS did not do ESO

sleek grove
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Oh then yea

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Starfield should hold most of us off

robust lintel
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Yup, but I know some fans who hold no interest in spacey sci-fi at all, so they are kinda screwed lol

sleek grove
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I think there's a chance some ESO crossover could happen. A tiny slight one. Probably not but it's an option in lore terms

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I mean for VI lol

robust lintel
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It's interesting that ESO was made backwards in the timeline.

sleek grove
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I remember watching a Shoddycast video on why it's at the point it is. It needs to be idealy after the Mages and Fighters Guilds are formed to make Magic and such accessable or something

robust lintel
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I don't think Bethesda has any intent in going back, only forward on the timeline. Besides in-game time moments or quests, like the time wounds

sleek grove
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I think going back in the timeline is for film/tv media or spin-offs

robust lintel
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So how will they write the lore of the Civil War in Skyrim in the next title? Did a side win or will they just write off as oprn-ended, like the dragons interfered or something or its simply still on-going?

sleek grove
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Probably have it end in nobody winning. The Thalmor can win either way

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I think by VI the outcome won't matter

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There's a theory Elenwen was at Helgen to prevent the execution of Ulfric. Cut dialogue that only Tulius' side remains

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The war benefits them and if Ulfric wins then they can manipulate him

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I think in VI they might go up to 20 years ahead but I think we'll get 1 or maybe 2 books on the Civil war

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Oh my bad, it was Tulius' side that was cut, it's Elenwen's side that's unused dialogue

robust lintel
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I always wondered if they might could do a mini-world within the world of Nirn. Like hidden deep in the center of Nirn.

sleek grove
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Micro cities exist so maybe. A journey to the center of the earth type thing. More like Center of Nirn

robust lintel
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Like Agartha

uncut hatch
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Hollow earth

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I mean, hollow nirn

sleek grove
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So there's gateways at the poles of Nirn and they have entire worlds underneath Nirn

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Some people get lost there

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In Lore Blackreach was discovered by accident iirc

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The one cave the Dwemer didn't use Resonators or Lazers to make

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Idk why I keep picturing Dr Evil saying Lazers

robust lintel
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Lol

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" ('.') "

pastel sorrel
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Operational Notes: Direct contact remains a possibility (under extreme circumstances), but in general the asset should be considered dormant. As long as the civil war proceeds in its current indecisive fashion, we should remain hands-off. The incident at Helgen is an example where an exception had to be made - obviously Ulfric's death would have dramatically increased the chance of an Imperial victory and thus harmed our overall position in Skyrim. (NOTE: The coincidental intervention of the dragon at Helgen is still under scrutiny. The obvious conclusion is that whoever is behind the dragons also has an interest in the continuation of the war, but we should not assume therefore that their goals align with our own.) A Stormcloak victory is also to be avoided, however, so even indirect aid to the Stormcloaks must be carefully managed.

sleek grove
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I say theory but yea

robust lintel
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Thalmor are such propagandists lol

golden sierra
robust lintel
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The spin-off?

golden sierra
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mhm

pastel sorrel
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the mainline series has always gone forward, but spinoffs have always been in the past (sometimes contemporary with a prior game such as Battlespire with TES1, but it came out after TES2 so that's still in the past)

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Battlespire's at some point during the canonically 10-year events of TES1 (i'm forgetting the exact timeframe off the top of my head), Redguard's in the last years of 2E before Tiber Septim completed his conquest so it's several centuries before any of the other games and was the previous earliest-set until ESO, Shadowkey is also contemporary with TES1's events, Dawnstar is 3E397 which is only a couple of years before Jagar Tharn's defeat so again contemporary with TES1

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actually funnily enough there's more games set around TES1's timeframe than anywhere else

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Legends has its basegame MQ in the Great War so decades before TES5 + its other stories which are generally thereabouts but sometimes closer to TES5 (or even contemporary as with the CWC one), then Blades is a few years later but still 21 years before TES5

slender latch
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Not saying it is them but something to consider.

As for spin-offs always being in the past there is one exception which is the novels.

golden sierra
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parts of TES: Legends also take place concurrently with TESV

uncut hatch
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Maybe the real reason they stopped legends was because it was progressing too quickly… nah

golden sierra
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i don't believe it's a linear storyline

uncut hatch
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Don’t think it was either. I’m just saying random things at this point

dusky scaffold
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well, the "main storyline", with kellen and nagh plays after skyrim

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however, most of the stories were just stories being told, and as such, they're from all over the place

golden sierra
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oh yeaaah

pastel pivot
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The stories in Legends don't take place at the same time.

The Forgotten Hero storyline is at the end of the great war, so 4E 175.
The Dark Brotherhood storyline plays through the sack of wayrest, so 4E 188.
The Clockwork City storyline mentions events that happen during TES5, so 4E 201.
The Shivering Isles storyline is unknown.

Kellen and co. being on the run must be sometime after 201 as he's telling stories of these events

dusky scaffold
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or, well could have been - they all were somewhat between TES4 and 5

golden sierra
dusky scaffold
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don't forget poor kellen

pastel pivot
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Kellen aka "unreliable narrator personified"
"Kelle" even means "elder scrolls" in dragon, since he's narrating the game

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Talym Rend says "Oh for the love of Vehk" which is interesting, as that could mean the Isles of Madness takes place prior to the reclamations, therefore very close to the events of TES4

golden sierra
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Isles of Madness takes place some time before the Red Year, i.e. 4e5

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iirc there's art in it that displays Morrowind, and it's rather clearly uh

not ash'd

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i wasn't quite right. at some point you apparently go to Necrom, which is in such a position that that'd be rather... odd any time after the Red Year

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quartz shuttle
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The Argoniand had already left by then

golden sierra
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um

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did you forget about the volcano and ash and destruction and all that? or am i just being dumb and missing where that's factored in?

quartz shuttle
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That definitely changed things, but by the middle of the first century 4e, the Dunmer were already rebuilding.

sleek grove
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Cept the ones that went through the tunnel network between Skyrim and Morrowind

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Falmer picked them off

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I believe it's the same cave where you find Barenziah's Crown

golden sierra
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i like sources that i haven't seen before, especially for information i haven't heard before

quartz shuttle
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Pieced together from the novels, and stuff in the Dragonborn DLC.

golden sierra
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ahh, okay. shame :/ was hoping there was something that said it more definitively. ah well

quartz shuttle
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Yeah, its not definitive. But we know the Dunmer managed to rally against the Argoniand, and even Ald'rhun had been rebuilt.

golden sierra
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i'll talk to the person who had proposed the evidence and idea to me, it's not originally mine - i'll report back if and when i get a response ^-^

hardy quarry
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Sunbird

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plush orchid
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Seems legit

split iris
hardy quarry
split iris
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. . .

frosty sentinel
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woah, amazing

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is this MK?

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looks like his signature style

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i'm at a loss for words, new MK art

stark socket
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mocklore.

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Still better than Ayrenn per Swanship.

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...

sleek grove
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I did some math, I know the exact rough time from when the Dwemer vanished

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Went through and did basic maths to get a estimate for the end of each era. Plus ESO because I wanted to

plush orchid
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What year did you estimate?

sleek grove
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3750 years by Skyrim

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I have a screenshot hold on with my math

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Never have a full date of when they vanished just the year afaik

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I also used the Planewalker font lol

sleek grove
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I want to work out some other things, including the entire timeframe the Tribunal operated in

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Just finding the time to sit down for 5-15 mins 😄

pastel sorrel
outer sorrel
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I know tiber was a Breton, but geez the dude was short

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pastel sorrel
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Matter of fact even just sitting down he already looks taller than his guards

robust lintel
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Is it just me or does the ending sound of the TES: Blades trailer have the same sound as the TESVI ending sound? Only it's slowed down on the Blades trailer?

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The drumming bit

uncut hatch
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Kinda hard to tell how tall someone is when they’re sitting. Especially if they’re in a relaxed position

pastel pivot
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remember that in Arena and Daggerfall lore, bretons were described as being tall and muscular
That art is from Redguard, the game only had one breton NPC so it's hard to judge whether it was redguard or morrowind that made them short

coral mantle
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as if it was generally acknowledged Hjalti of Atmora is a breton

uncut hatch
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If I wanted to be dumb… real barenziah says tibers really short

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So like, it says he’s middle height but also says he’s half a head shorter than Symmachus who’s a dark elf… so either Symmachus is a giant or Tiber is short (in the real barenziah anyways)

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If I use what college taught me. A average human is seven to eight heads tall

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Ok I’ll stop

coral mantle
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he's one head tall, one head short then

uncut hatch
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I might of got my facts wrong >_>

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I’m never in a serious mood when I’m in this channel

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Sorry about that it was half a head

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Tiber Septim was nothing like the grim grey giant warrior she'd pictured. He was only of middle height, half a head shorter than tall Symmachus, although he was well knit of figure and lithe in movement. He had a winning smile, bright, indeed piercing, blue eyes, and a full head of stark white hair above a lined and weathered face. He might have been of any age from forty to sixty.
The thing I’m referencing btw

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(This was daggerfall so it was before redguard made a new design for him)

coral mantle
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and it's also pulp fiction within fiction \o/

uncut hatch
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Yea…

coral mantle
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too bad Real Barenziah wasn't a thing in 2nd era, my Luurime would love it ._ . she's into erotic adventure stuff

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tell me about your TES characters people \o/

uncut hatch
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I got farmer John my blades character. He’s a high elf cause I thought it’ll be a fun contrast with the thalmor

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It’s a fake name, it totally wasn’t me trying to make a character who looked the most like a farmer

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A lot of my tes characters are just fan fiction characters who aren’t in specific games >_>

coral mantle
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they are characters regardless \o/

coral mantle
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i dont usually do any complex backstories in single player games, probably because i prefer to 'consume' original creators content, much as possible. becoming leader of every faction isnt exactly rp-ey, ha ha. though i always have some general idea of the character.. when they develop into something interesting, occasionally that happens, i put them in ESO and see what happens. in-character interaction with other players does the rest. little lie here, slip of the tongue there, and personality just grows

ocean brook
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Lorasnna started as a barmaid in the Phantasy Star Online universe, that I decided to port over when I discovered Morrowind. Then, on the lore forums, she became a Nord barmaid who, after the Trial Of Vivec, became the weakened Azura's vessel, and the rest was a tragicomedy of errors 🙂

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the funny part is, had I been a bit more "rigorous" about keeping her race from PSO, she'd have been a Breton; she was a HUnewearl

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. . . or perhaps she'd have been an Ohmes, given that Newmen were, if I recall, made by splicing feline DNA into human; point is, I decided to make her a northern gal, and that ended up hanging the course of her life a lot more than I realized it would

coral mantle
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hah, yeah, 'discovering' who your char is as you play is the best part, right? that feeling when you find something that really clings <3

quartz shuttle
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Seriously though, while i still adore Phantasy Star 1 through 4, never did play Online...

ocean brook
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oh you spoony bard; she's a Valkyrie, not a Falzspawn 🙂

coral mantle
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like Luurime i mentioned, her* ding* moment was when i put her in Mages Guild. was really the only logical step for her development after her majesry Ayrenn opened borders and Lums had to find some occupation in her parents homeland

ocean brook
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and I played Online first, then quickly got into the originasl games

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they were some cool CRPGs

coral mantle
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is it hard sci fi, this phantasy star? never played one

quartz shuttle
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Nooooo

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Straight up space magic

quartz shuttle
ocean brook
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in a way, I think Alys's death hits even harder; she's introduced as your mentor figure, and this kick-ass female fighter that can take on anything

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. . . and then she gets hit with what amounts to a Finger of Death spell and wastes away, dying in her deathbed

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that it happens relatively early on, really serves to up the stakes, both for your main and for the series

quartz shuttle
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And unlike Aerith, who just dies. You actively try to save Alys. And are just too late

ocean brook
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yup

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I remember Rika, hovering over her, trying her strongest healing Techniques to no avail

quartz shuttle
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I love 1 and 2, but 4 is definitely my favourite

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Great characters, engaging story, fun mechanics.

ocean brook
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4 beneffited from learning from all the games that came before it

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they built up on all the fun mechanics from the prior games

quartz shuttle
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I initially rented the cartridge from a local store, before the days of the Internet. It didn't have the manual, so i had to figure out the Technique combos on my own

ocean brook
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ooh; that must have been a hoot 🙂

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though the combined Techniques were super flashy and cool

quartz shuttle
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And then figuring out the Macro system, so you could reliably execute them

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UHG! Such a great game.

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Anyway, back on TES...

ocean brook
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yeah 🙂

quartz shuttle
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Games like PS4 are part of what has shaped my narrative preferences. And my dislike for mutually exclusive outcomes, alternate endings, and the modern fad of 'Choice driven narratices'.

ocean brook
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in a way, TES was Loranna's "ding" RPG; it was the old Loranna RP that really set her on the start of her evolution into the character she's become

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ahh; you prefer the good, old-fashioned approach

quartz shuttle
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My characters are typically self contained on-offs. And yeah. Ive never seen a game where your 'Choices Matter' that has managed to create the same emotional weight and engagement.

ocean brook
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I've felt like my choice matters . . .. once; it was in Kingdoms of Amalur, in the House of Ballads quest line

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I actually agonized a bit over whether to spare the big bad at the end or not

quartz shuttle
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In fact, the lack of permanence, and the ability to make other choices, ultimately robs the stories of any really meaningful impact. You can't save Alys. You HAVE to deal with that, and that permanence allows the world to reflect those sorts of actions.

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Its been a looong time since i played Amalur... can't even remember if i beat it.

ocean brook
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it was a fun game; felt sort of liike TES-Lite, but I enjoyed playing it

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the celtic-inspired lore was interesting to explore

quartz shuttle
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Yeah

fallen panther
uncut hatch
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I don’t talk about em too much probably cause they’re personal to me thinkfun

coral mantle
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ive never DnDd because there's too much human involved \o/ can't even do voice RP cause of that. text chat makes full immersion so easier

fallen panther
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Yeah, I think my friends use a Discord for their campaigns. Not sure if it's text-only or if it includes video though.

ocean brook
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I like D&D, but I'm so used to games where you're the solo protagonist, that I keep trying to build solo protagonists in it

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and that just doesn't work

sleek grove
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I've played 1 or 2 games of DnD. When I had friends Wut

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Jk I do have friends, but no DnD so far

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I know little to no lore about the game either

ocean brook
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there's multiple game settings for the system, so lots of lore

sleek grove
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One of my old friends had more or less every book, or a digital version if not

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I'm only good at remembering Dwemer TES Stuff so I sucked at the lore of DnD

uncut hatch
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So technically I have every book if I sneak in his room and take them

sleek grove
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For Starfield I'll own everything I can get my Elven Hands on

robust lintel
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I want to ro dah the stars!

plain ibex
native olive
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good morning!

uncut hatch
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Mornin

sleek grove
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Morning

brave shoal
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had a small question, is there dwemer ruins in black marsh? having fun trying to make a backstory for my argonian in eso for personal pleasure and that something i dont know

plush orchid
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None that I’m aware of maybe some closer to Morrowinds border.

split iris
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Idk about ruins but I remember reading somewhere about Dwemer trying to cut down and harvest Hist trees

sleek grove
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Ruins are all on the northern part of Tamriel, but the Dwemer most likely got about

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Not like they were pushovers to go far out

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I think there was something about the Dwemer knew of Khajiits and Elsweyr. Also they were messing with the Wrathstone, or at least one piece of it. That was what the Khajiiti people used

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Not entirely sure on who or what made the Wrathstone, I only know the Dwemer had a piece and had some value to them

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I'd say no ruins in Black Marsh though. Unless ofc Bethesda add a ruin into the province. Dwemer Ruins are actually Cities but i wouldn't say they'd have a city deep into the marsh. However I do think they'd of made a mark in the region.

If the Dwemer did go for Hist Trees I think the Argonians wouldn't be too happy with that sooo

brave shoal
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personally, all i know is morrowind is choke full of ruin, skyrim had a lot, and there that one dwarf that threw his hammer to change place and thus hammerfell have some too, but outside those 3 province, i dont know hence my question

sleek grove
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I'd say no for now, but like everything it could change. I think at best they have a city on the boarder for hunts or convience

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I can't imagine much would intrest the Dwemer in the region to found a city in

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Doesn't Black Marsh get toxic toward to middle of the province?

plush orchid
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A lot of books mention this, yes

brave shoal
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toxic? i know black marsh, as classic jungle trope, is full of disease and dangerous poisonous wildlife and stuff that make outsider dead pretty fast,maybe it in that sense? or you mean like literally toxic or some magic protection where only argonian can go in?

sleek grove
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Like dangerous poisons and gases. Out of my area on this, maybe heard the surface of it

quartz shuttle
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Blackmarsh is SAID to get toxic towards the centre. But cyrodiil was also said to be a jungle, and Skyrim was said to be frozen.

sleek grove
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Wouldn't be a first for them to change it no

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I do think a Jungle would of killed a 360. Idk the actual reasoning for the change

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I know they made a lore reason for Cyrodiil, but idk about Skyrim

sleek grove
quartz shuttle
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Yeah, I'm not saying it was a bad change (though it was) but they've changed things before. And making the toxic natrue if Blackmarsh an exaggeration wouldn't be an enormous chmgr

sleek grove
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If they make a change i'd see it if we ever get a game set there

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We nearly got a title set in the region in the Adventure series, and have 2 zones in ESO so far in Black Marsh

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Nearly is a stretched word

plush orchid
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I always wondered if they would implant something like a Rad counter system like fallout but for Toxicity. But likely will just get changed to fit a more open design.

sleek grove
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They seem to be rolling with the rad meter thing for Starfield

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Not sure though, nothing official on that. Just theories on the internet, won't find out till next year probably/most likely

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Who knows tho, maybe a similar system could go forward when we jump to the Western region of Tamriel

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Didn't they, in Creation Club, make a Survival mode for Skyrim with cold elements? Not quite the same but could be a test of sorts. Idk either way

quartz shuttle
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Toxins don't really work like that though, and aren't so easily detectable...

sleek grove
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I guess that'll be up to designers if/when they want to set a title in the whole province

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Idk anything on toxins

quartz shuttle
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Toxins are basically any chemical that is produced by plants or animals which can cause illness or death in low concentrations

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So, exposure to toxins is dangerous from the start.

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Typically, poisons require higher concentrations than toxins but poisons can also be inorganic in nature

brave shoal
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fallout have radiation as environmental hazard, and skyrim survival mode from creation club had frost as his big environmental danger. half the map where deadly (the snowy north obviously) and mostly the south and the middle where safer save for mountain pass and night time

quartz shuttle
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Yeah, you could definitely work more environmental hazzards into the game. But you'd still be toning it down tk make it playable

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The sources which say Blackmarsh is toxic say that it's basically certian death to non-Argonians

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Which, well... can't have a game where only 1 race can explore half the map

sleek grove
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Is there no gear to help traverse the place?

quartz shuttle
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Not generally?

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Airborn toxins require breathing apparatuses generally. And most toxins are either contact absorbed, ir waterborne

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You'd be better off building a mkte involved Disease system

brave shoal
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for exemple, no man's sky got cold,heat,toxin,radiation,o2 reserve(when swimming), could have similar stuff if it logical in some area

sleek grove
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Could be like parts of the province are like the Glowing Sea in Fallout 4

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If you don't have the equipment you'll suffer massivly

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But the equipment might mean you won't have your standard gears resistance to enemies

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Ofc in the case of the Glowing Sea either wear a radsuit, wear PA for some major resistance or spam radaways if you stock them

brave shoal
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i tried hazmat suit, better be a stealth build or you gonna have a bad day xD

sleek grove
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I think for VI Sandstorms or some other region specific thing would work for gameplay.

quartz shuttle
brave shoal
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maybe mana storm if there some magical cataclysm as main storyline?

sleek grove
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If for now yea, for all we know is they actually do 2 provinces

brave shoal
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liek arcane storm/lightning striking random area or sapping life force

sleek grove
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Evidence points to it, but still an if

brave shoal
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plot twist: we all gonna play banjo in black marsh /s

sleek grove
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I think, and it has no evidence, something could lie in Hammerfell. Idk gotta make the plot epic and grand

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The next plot just is, evil person is evil and you must stop them

brave shoal
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invasion from the west? think there some island with an empire or two far away?

sleek grove
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The Thalmor declared war, again, against the Alik'r

quartz shuttle
brave shoal
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or more simple like the thalmor put something in the water and its turning the redguard into elves /s

sleek grove
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People are suggesting a second Great War...

quartz shuttle
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I know, if i were to write it, I'd have the Dominion invading Hammerfell again, akd the Hoonding finally manifesting fully to 'Make Way'. But doing so threatens all of Tamriel, and you have to stop the culture hero this time

brave shoal
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i mean, the first one only ended in a truce, the empire and dominion will go to war again to finish it off

sleek grove
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True. Let's say it's High Rock instead of Hammerfell, do the Breton's have anything like the Thu'um or Sword-Singing?

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Hypothetically

brave shoal
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they have magic, and merchant prince, that all i know about them lol

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(i should make a character in the daggerfall covenant to learn a lil more about them in eso...)

sleek grove
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I think Sword-Singing makes sence for VI, market that with a Redguard Hero. Ofc we could never see it at all, which is a possibility too

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Expand it a little, although gotta make a reason to know it easily. So reincarnation or something else

quartz shuttle
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The Bretons don't have the same uniform sort of identity, but you could absolitely build some Arthurian story around them

brave shoal
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from the surface level of my knowledge, breton are the most vanilla medieval fantasy province in tamriel, so could go deep on their magic side or some political intrigue between noble and merchant lord/cities

quartz shuttle
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I think the 'Main Story' should always be 'Mythic'

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Leace intrigue and politics for a major story arc, but not the 'Main' one

brave shoal
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depending if there some big dominion/empire war or some other continent shattering event. that may overlap with the local storyline too

quartz shuttle
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For Highrock, Dirennei Tower, and an Arthurian inspired story, would work fine.

sleek grove
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Breton structure is very Earth Medieval. Not in the way of Half-Elves etc. Because that is fantasy, but I mean Castles, Kings, Knights, and Kingdoms. If I wanna see a castle, I live in England with plenty of them

quartz shuttle
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Like, say, they have to recover a a chalace of Auri-el to unlock the Zero Stone and save Convention

brave shoal
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from the small blurb of text i read in eso, they seem pretty reliant on trading, so i guess trade league and the like are a major thing in their society too

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like hanseatic league or something?

sleek grove
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Isn't it High Rock that trades with Yokuda. Or is that anywhere on the west coast?

brave shoal
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and if i remember one thng from medieval drama, noble and merchant bickering over money is way too common lol

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maybe we play a breton warlord marching over the alp on an elephant the mountains on back of a dragon to burn down rome cyrodil /s

sleek grove
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If they did choose High Rock maybe they make something new and not well recorded for marketing

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There is also the possibilty they do Oblivion or Morrowind where you have nothing special other than destiny

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Just in a gameplay system something added that's cool to market

quartz shuttle
sleek grove
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Reincarnation is something yea, but gameplay powers i meant

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They'll probably continue through reincarnation in some capacity. Say if you're a reincarnated Yokudan Warrior then you'll have a reason to be back

quartz shuttle
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Fair

pastel sorrel
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You're not the reincarnation of Pelinal, you just step into his shoes to take up the role.

sleek grove
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In Oblivion you become a god, and you aid Martin to end the Crisis. Also stop the return on Pelenial's foe. With Morrowind idk much on what becomes of the Nerveriene

pastel sorrel
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with the Nerevarine it's intentionally ambiguous if you're truly Nerevar incarnate or just someone playing the part

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After all, literally the point of you being there was to play the role for the Empire's benefit

sleek grove
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The only true thing is you complete the warning of Azura

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She said her warrior would return to take the Tribunal down. Whether or not she was lying and things fell into place idk

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All I know is you do what she said would happen

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In ESO we know how she sees false incarnates. I believe you do in Morrowind too right? But yea it's ambiguous intentionally

balmy salmon
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If you mean something to provide a unique Thu'um-like game mechanic, I don't know anything in particular, although the Bretons probably have better access to magic than the Redguards or Nords. Between the Direnni, the witch covens, the Order of the Hour, and the Bretons' own magical traditions, they potentially have some of the widest variety of magic of any province in Tamriel.

quartz shuttle
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There's some serious 1984 stuff going on with the 'Its Vague' argument, i tell you what.

modest helm
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At least not as written in TES2. If you want Arthuriana, MK was more inspired by it

sleek grove
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BGS already did the King Arthur story, kinda, not in TES. Not that they can't or won't use it again

balmy salmon
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Personally it's probably just because I've played a lot of Mount and Blade, but if they go for High Rock, I'd prefer that instead of introducing a special mechanic like shouting, they'd instead improve the combat system to better capture the feel of "knightly" combat. Stuff like polearms, mounted combat, and overall better combat mechanics.

sleek grove
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About as far as my mythology goes, I live in the country of the story

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I have to drive some ways to see a castle but you'll find them here

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Breton culture just never resonated with me. I know about 5% of things about them

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Some of the Castles here have been turned into tourist attractions too

pastel sorrel
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You are the Nerevarine. Whether it's because you successfully do what it's believed the Nerevarine will do and so who's to know otherwise, or because you're genuinely Nerevar incarnate, it's ambiguous by design, because it doesn't actually matter. What matters is by luck or fate you accomplish what was required.

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Dagoth Ur is stopped, Azura has her revenge on the Tribunal, all is well in the world.

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Even up to talking with Dagoth Ur you can deny being Nerevar incarnate, and he'll accept that answer.

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Every single point of evidence is in-universe and subject to multiple explanations. It's most important to remember that Azura has a stake in you doing her bidding; whether she potentially even inspired Uriel to send you to Morrowind to be a puppet Nerevarine, she's keeping an eye on you now, and she wants you to succeed and think you can succeed.

quartz shuttle
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The prophecy LITERALLY REQUIRES Incarnate Moon and Star.

pastel sorrel
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Prophecy as claimed by whom

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The Ashlanders, whom are brought up as not necessarily thinking the whole thing through because there's every potential the Nerevarine is an outlander for instance? Azura, who can claim as she wishes because she wants the job done?

quartz shuttle
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Literally spelled out in the 7 trials

pastel sorrel
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The prophecy was set forth by people with a stake in the job being done

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It's not some objective reading of the Elder Scrolls (and even they don't always show what will happen), it's an old oral myth.

quartz shuttle
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Both versions of it we are given specify, explicitly, an Incarnate. All the Incarnates are in the Cavern of the Incarnate.

pastel sorrel
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all the alleged Incarnates

quartz shuttle
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Again, 1984 up in here

pastel sorrel
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... no, this is literally standard TES fare, and again this has been explicitly talked about by the devs

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the game is very intentionally written to be ambiguous and allow for the Nerevarine to not actually be Nerevar incarnate, because the point is you're there to do what's required of the Nerevarine in the end.

quartz shuttle
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The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears.

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You have to willfully ignore all the evidence to justify that position

pastel sorrel
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Have you literally never heard of the word "propaganda"? You see that with your eyes and ears too.

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The evidence is unsupported but by itself

quartz shuttle
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No, the Evidence leads to only one conclusion

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You have to ignore it to prop up a fantasy constructed tk make the story something it is not

pastel sorrel
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Speak for yourself

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It must be Nerevar, according to a prophecy set down by someone with very explicit stakes in fabricating it and seeing it carried out, and perpetuated by people with the sociopolitical bias to champion it. The Nerevarine is designated according to the trials set forth by that same ulterior-motivated claim of prophecy. The most allegedly ironclad evidence of the Nerevarine's legitimacy is the ring, Moon-And-Star, an artifact blessed and controlled by Azura who, again, has a stake in you believing yourself to be Nerevar and carrying out her vengeance.

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If she wants you to think you're Nerevar, she'll make you think you're Nerevar.

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You're the Nerevarine first and foremost because you manage to do what it's claimed they'll do. Being Nerevar is not a requirement of that.

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Anyone else could've hypothetically done the job and they would be no less the Nerevarine for it.

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You're there in the first place to be an artificial Nerevarine. It just so happens you actually succeed.

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And even if it was an objective reading of the future on Azura's part, she wants the support of the Ashlanders and would be all too keen on seeing them remind the Tribunal of her incoming wrath. She can very easily be lying about it being Nerevar incarnate, assuming she ever made that claim and it isn't just an Ashlander ideology she's happy to see perpetuated.

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The entire Nerevarine narrative is propped up only by blind belief in the claims being made. You can quote 1984 to me all you want, you very clearly don't understand your own viewpoint.

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And, again, the devs have already confirmed it's intentionally written to allow for ambiguity.

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The evidence of our own eyes and ears is... claims being made that we have no way of verifying as the truth. Everything is myths and legends, and what little we're told directly comes from sources with every reason to be biased towards perpetuating a narrative.

balmy salmon
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A lot of the events of the prophecies related to the Nerevarine aren't Azura's machinations, but rather the logical conclusion of Dagoth Ur having made his own connection to the Heart of Lorkhan, something that Azura seems to have foreseen long before the Tribunal ever figured it out.

quartz shuttle
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You need to claim "it looks like a duck, it walks like a duck, it quacks like a duck, but really, it's a Hippopotamus"

pastel sorrel
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If the hippo's camouflaged as a duck and you only get to see it from a distance, yeah, you can very well think it's a duck.

quartz shuttle
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You also have to now disregard Azura literally calling out Coholda as not the one CENTURIES earlier

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Now you're starting to sound like a Facebook Conspiracist.

pastel sorrel
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Yeah, because Chodola was a screwup being manipulated by the Triad, and Azura explicitly tells us it's not a good time to take revenge yet.

quartz shuttle
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You have to go into Morrowind's story ASSUMING everything is wrong, propaganda, religious doctrine and lies to even come close to arriving to the conclusion that the prophecy isn't exactly what it seems.

pastel sorrel
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You don't have to in assuming anything's wrong, the issue is you're going in assuming it's right

quartz shuttle
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You have to enter into the evaluation determined to make a square peg fit a circle hole

pastel sorrel
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That's literally your entire argument, you're assuming everything's right

quartz shuttle
pastel sorrel
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And what evidence would that be?

quartz shuttle
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You have to actively dismiss or attempt to discredit the evidence in order to even start to make it fit.

pastel sorrel
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Second-hand claims of a traditional oral prophecy propagated by the sociopolitically-based Ashlanders under the watchful eye of a Daedric prince with active stake in your success?

quartz shuttle
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Both prophecies being fulfilled word for word, for one. Azura marking you as chosen before you even get started. Surviving the Corpus Cure. Wearing Moon and Star. The Incarnates. The Corpus Infected identifying you as Nerevar before you even know it yourself.

pastel sorrel
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Does it not occur to you she might as well be telling that to anyone she wants to see succeed?

quartz shuttle
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Where is ANY evidence she's doing that?

pastel sorrel
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Where's any evidence her telling you is actually the truth?

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Again, you're there to carry out a set of instructions

quartz shuttle
pastel sorrel
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When you're assuming that the positive is the truth, yes

quartz shuttle
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I am assuming that the only thing we have evidence for is the truth

pastel sorrel
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And there's where you're blinding yourself.

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You unironically brought up 1984 and then just admitted you're assuming everything you see is on the level.

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I'm done with this conversation, neither of us are going to get anywhere evidently.

quartz shuttle
balmy salmon
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At this point I think that the explanation that Azura telling the truth, that this is something she foresaw far off is a far simpler explanation than the effort that it'd take for her to manipulate everyone- the Emperor, the Ashlanders, Dagoth Ur, Divayth Fyr, the Tribunal, and everyone in between- to make up a prophecy from scratch.

quartz shuttle
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She sees things, she doesn't necessarily make them happen.

balmy salmon
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The prophecy seemed real enough for a Telvanni magister to sell her soul to Coldharbour for the hopes of helping it to come to pass.

ocean brook
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to throw game mechanics into the mix, your PC is the only person in your playthrough who could possibly be the Nerevarine - but you aren't the Nerevarine unless you actively go and do all the things the Nerevarine is prophecised to do

quartz shuttle
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They're the only person with any agency in the world what so ever. Which is a dangerous slope to start playing on

ocean brook
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why is that dangerous? that's literally the whole point

quartz shuttle
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the whole point of the game, yes, but when you start applying that to the world, it basically means that literally no one is capable of doing anything without a Hero

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Which, IMO, totally strips the world of any sort of life

ocean brook
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I could be unchariatable and point out that, unless the game is running on your PC, the world within doesn't have any life, but that would be dishonest of me, as I don't truly believe that

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I will, however, point out that the world of Tamriel is a broken one, which requires the active imagination of outside observers to breathe life into it

quartz shuttle
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Oh, i know. I'm more just saying that it's a slippery slope when you start integrating gameplay limitatiosn too much into the actual setting.

balmy salmon
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Whatever the case, Azura and Dagoth Ur both take note of the character before they start fulfilling the prophecies.

Then again, by being an outlander born to uncertain parents, they were technically already fulfilling them.

ocean brook
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. . . that is the point of Tamriel, though; it's the whole reason Lorkhan did what he did

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well, that or he really liked epic tier trolling

brave shoal
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lorkhan is just loki's alterego /s

robust lintel
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Idk if it's already been done or not, but being the Dwemer were underground, kinda always hoped for some of underground Dwemer rail system or something like that, even a train, like one big subway system underground capable of fast travel connecting Dwemer from different provinces

golden sierra
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i mean... kiiiinda was done?

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but in Creation Club

robust lintel
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Ah I see

golden sierra
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so yknow shrug take that as you will

sand flume
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creation club did underground subway systems?

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trainwiz did a mod for that i think but i dont remember anything like that in forgotten seasons or sunder and wraithguard

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@golden sierra

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In arena there’s dwarven mine cart systems in fang lair

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But arenas pretty outdated so I dunno if they’re still canon

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i dont remember anything like that from playing but i may be wrong

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i think trainwiz actually wanted to add a train but wasnt allowed

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ohh

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i might be misremembering that then

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I only know there is a horse

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I think the train is just in the mod. If there was a train i'd know probably

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It's simple to draw Dwemer Steam power and how a steam train works and then go from there

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Lol just inserting a little humor. I missed a lot yesterday while I was on the beach.

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Yeah. In Morrowind, Dratha is still alive- the oldest living Telvanni aside from Divayth Fyr- and has a reputation as a crazy misandrist because as ESO revealed, she's afraid that any man could be the Dremora coming to collect her soul. ||She's also the only Telvanni to take the Nerevarine Prophecy seriously.||

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Thinking about it more, your character in the ESO Morrowind expansion must be the anti-Nerevarine despite Azura taking an interest in you many times throughout the main quest.

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Also, I solved the whole problem in the og Morrowind that I can't really play by just naming my character Indoril Nerevar 🤷🏼‍♂️

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Oh, I am just making the observation based on the events, not making any actual claim. It didn't really occur to me while I played it, but only after I read that discussion.

Azura does scoff at you if you ask why she is helping/wants you to help Vivec.

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Now that you mention it she got mad at me for asking about Vivec or something

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Well I can't remember the full scene. Played it like 2 years ago now

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I remember pieces of the whole story of the false incarnate

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Dagoth Ur wasn't even kicking yet at that time. I can't remember when he did

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I only started ESO this year so it's still pretty fresh for me.

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I use to grind that game

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Still on a burnout, which sucks

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I do play any new Dwemer lore they dump for me to memorise

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The only member of the Tribunal I like is Seht, because the understands Dwemer work and continued it

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He's the only one to think of more than himself afaik

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Although he had flaws

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uhh... you sit in a bath and get ambushed by dagoth and nearly die or something... i cant remember

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I'm conflicted so they moved the Anumidium away from the Heart Chamber, probably. But they left the heart there?

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i don't think you can actually move the heart

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We know the Numidium was given to Tiber but it couldn't be i the Heart Chamber because Dagoth Ur was blocking the Tribunal

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I have a theory Sotha Sil moved the tower to The Clockwork city

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Without a god-shell like Numidium or Akulikhan, you probably can't move the heart

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i like that theory

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Do we know what Dagoth made the Akulakhan out of? I assumed Flesh

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it has bones

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So the Tribunal left it there. And they were ambushed in the mid 3rd Era and had Kagrenac's tools taken, preventing them from activating the Heart.

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It LOOKS like stone and clay, really. I always assumed it was the 'Flesh of Morrowind', so ash clay

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We get a proper look at the Anumidium on Alduin's Wall

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Gives us a better idea than Daggerfall's version

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Which should be taken into account but predates when the Dwemer were fully fleshed

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daggerfall numidium looked like the valve logo guy but with spikes and very angry

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All we knew was they were Dwarves and were gone

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I'd say Akulakhan was flesh and bone, and Anumidium was Metal and Stone

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Also the third eye thingy

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It has the Staff of Chaos, the Anumidium, Red Mountain the Civil War

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and an oblivion gate

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Damn thing broke, though. I never could find a new one either.

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the staff of chaos is invisible in some versions of the wall 😔

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I definitely saw the Oblivion gate

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I mean what

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We know the Numidium art was Anumidium because it's for the line in the Prophecy. "When the brass tower walks, and time is reshaped"

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where is the staff of chaos?

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Camel broke it down

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It's for the line; "something, something 8 corners" so Arena. You need to find 8 pieces in 8 corners of Tamriel

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I don't think a camel broke the staff of chaos...

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i think

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I don't see any staff here

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i don't think its visible in the actual wall in skyrim which is annoying

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I see a numidium's hand, and two people fighting
actually, three

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WHAT??

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Better image for the staff

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that's so much cleaner

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we lost the little men underneath it though

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concept art, I guess

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so, technically, we gained them

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Someome probably made a mod by going and recreating it in higher quality

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BGS in their office have a high detailed one too afaik

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i just love how the staff of chaos in the original one is so out of the way though

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its like a after thought

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How Reman predicted everything I guess is a mystery

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Well his workers did

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By workers I mean Tsaesci helped build the temple after surrendering when he used the Thu'um.

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🤔

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im just looking at a bunch of alduin's wall looking for the staff now and getting upset when i cant see it

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Oh good it's not just me

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i found a madoka magica alduin wall what the hell

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Hmm finding it hard to pin too

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The Staff in theory should be there since it's a part of the prophecy

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You go to the 8 corners to get all pieces of the Chaos Staff

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Nirn is an Octagon?

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figurative corners

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nirn is a football ball

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Isododecahedron

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It's a big X