elder-scrolls-general-chat

[nimble pond]

It's nice to have a big game and building it to last, but I think at some point it gets to be too much

Let the series itself as a whole shine and not just put it all into one chapter

3&1/2-4 years between each chapter for each franchise would be cool, but yea.. these games are bigger than the typical games that release faster and it's also a smaller company. Larger companies may not result in the same quality either, tho it's not impossible to have both a large company and quality games, it really depends on how well the company is managed and the leadership, structure and resources too

[feral viper]

It's also a matter of structure and process, something which can be... Rather haphazard in creative industries.

[high dune]

hi

[feral viper]

Evening

[willow wing]

@elderscrolls @bethesda @bethesdagamestudios please hire The wonderful Beautiful kind-talent voice actress @cattaber as female nord voice and follower for a female nord follower please taber is amazing actress please hire Her in elder scrolls Vi as female nord follower Companion She would make a great nord follower in six you would not regret it I bet is fun to work with It would be great have her voice a female nord follower companion to travel with In the Elder scrolls Vi world to bring good to the land #CatherinetaberforelderscrollsVi

[livid ingot]

okay then

lmao

[pulsar root]

Preferably I'd rather see ES6 before another Fall out but I might be biased.

[forest surge]

I mean it’s already been confirmed that TES VI is coming right after Starfield

[elfin thicket]

mm, TES VI will be next after Starfield

[bright vortex]

Seeing how big Starfield is makes me wonder if The Elder Scrolls VI will be the biggest open world game of all time.

[feral viper]

Probably not. It would be very difficult to compete with No Man's Sky in that regard.

[bright vortex]

You never know but will see in the future

[feral viper]

No Man's Sky contains approximately 15 quintillion planets each about 10,000 square km in size. That makes one planet almost the size of all of Tamriel at its smallest true-scale.

[bright vortex]

Interesting

[feral viper]

Now, there's very little to DO on those planets, compared to your average Bethesda game, but for sheer size I don't think we'll be beating No Man's Sky anytime soon.

Sorry, did that math wrong... It's 28,000 square km, so more than twice the size of Tamriel per planet...

[brazen finch]

Yo can anyone help me with my CC for Skyrim on the Xbox one? I bought the upgrade for the special edition and it won't install all the cc stuff

[grim flume]

Hey guys is morrowind worth playing

[bright siren]

Yes

Personally, I recommend OpenMW

[eager remnant]

My answer is, "Yes!" Morrowind is tied with Skyrim as my favorite video game of all time. If you wish to discuss Morrwind further, feel free to post in our #morrowind-chat 🙂

[split brook]

Hey guys. Where is the best place to fast travel back to where you can sort out inventory, has a bank nearby and can deconstruct all my goodies

[wide garnet]

Whoa! Slow down, man! You’re making me dizzy!

[split brook]

Haha

I used to go to a city in summerset where everything was in one place but I’ve switched to Xbox and starting a fresh character

[eager remnant]

What game are you talking about? It sounds to me as though you are talking about Elder Scrols Online. If this is true, then you are in the wrong place. This is a Discord for the single-player Elder Scrolls games made by Bethesda Game Studios. Feel free to post Elder Scrolls Online questions on ZeniMax Online Studio's forums, which you can find here: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en

[split brook]

Hahaha yup I’m definitely in the wrong place 😂

[grim flume]

Really?

I’m currently playing papers please, then I’ll play morrowind

I heard it needs a lot of mods to be playable though

[eager remnant]

That is entirely a matter of opinion. As with all BGS games, one person's "unplayable without mods" is another person's "vanilla is perfectly playable." For me personally, Morrowind is the BGS game that is least in need of mods. I like its vanilla character-skill-based gameplay mechanics better than the more player-skill-based game mechanics in Oblivion or Skyrim. Having said this, when I play a mage I do use a mod that regenerates magicka. Aside from new hairstyles, I don't use graphics mods either.

But as I say, if we wish to discuss Morrowind we should move to #morrowind-chat

[grim flume]

Okay see you there!

[rough anchor]

Are people able to ask Questions here about ESO or is there a dedicated server for that one?

[eager remnant]

We have traditionally allowed questions from people who do not already own the game and who want to know something about the game before they purchase it. But people who already own the game are usually asked to post on ZeniMax Online's forums. There is actually a ESO Discord (you can find it by clicking on #official-sites but it is mostly communication from ZeniMax Online, not a true fan-oriented site like we have here.

[rough anchor]

Ok, bummer; was hoping to get some info that would be quicker then in a normal forum setting

[restive drift]

Is this the replacement for the old Bethesda Forums?

[spare anchor]

Yes, it is

[restive drift]

Ah, I used to go on there a lot to browse the threads. I used to enjoy the threads where people discussed what they wanted to see in the future games, like ESVII, is there a forum section here for stuff like that or is it just all in one channel?

[spare anchor]

At the moment it's just one channel. We do have a few forum sections, but there's isn't as much demand for TES ones for now.

[restive drift]

Ah, that's a shame. I'll maybe check in again when we get closer to launch for a fallout or ES game and see what's happening. Thanks for answering

[nimble pond]

Always in demand for TES 🤤

[wide dagger]

Is elder scroll v online a good game that I can play with my friend?

[glad sonnet]

any news on the release time for console

[eager remnant]

I really enjoy it. It's my third-favorite Elder Scrolls game (after Morrowind and Skyrim). I occasionally play with a friend who lives in a different part of the United States and we enjoy that very much. But mostly I play ESO like I would one of the single-player games.

[tardy tiger]

You can play ESO with a friend espically if you're starting new characters as after the tutorial you'll get given a choice of where to start off zone wise.

[dim reef]

Bruh I can’t sell anything thanks to this games dumb system I accidentally shot someone and now I can’t get my bounty off me

[nocturne solar]

do y’all think since they stated that ES6 would be after Starfield that they’ve had their B-team start production on ES6? or maybe their A-team switched over once Starfield was originally ‘ready to ship’

[livid ingot]

They'll be moving their resources over to TESVI once Starfield launches and go into full production.

I imagine they've already been slowly migrating people over

Judging by what Bethesda Game Studios has said in the past of how they do things.

But, that's speculation.

[nocturne solar]

I imagine most game systems from Starfield will be reused in 6, so that really leaves a lot of the heavy lifting to character/map creation and whatnot, rather than purely mechanics.

[livid ingot]

Not necessarily. 🤔 Between games they like to improve their engine and introduce new features or mechanics. If you remember Todd's planning paper, they like to focus the game around a certain theme and then focus new gameplay around that theme.

But who knows. The mods don't want too much speculation here since this is an official discord and they don't want people going away thinking this is all confirmed or anything.

Todd's notes:
https://www.imperial-library.info/content/todd-howards-skyrim-notes

Like Todd's said in the past, they want every game to feel unique and different. And that extends to the gameplay as much as the setting.

[chilly frigate]

TBH I'm not really expecting an TES 6 until like 2030. Like assuming it comes out in 6 years after Starfield that would be 2029.

[night violet]

PlayStation and Xbox ESO players, patch is live for Necrom

[nimble pond]

Looks like I'll be playing it in the nursing home then 😁

[wanton fox]

https://tenor.com/view/eso-gif-20280209

[hardy ivy]

Is anyone experiencing a bug with investage tel rendys for new necrom dlc??

[eager remnant]

Hi, ScarletJedi5! This is a Discord for the single-player Elder Scrolls games developed by Bethesda Game Studios. Feel free to post about Elder Scrolls Online on ZeniMax Online Studio's forums, which you can find here: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en

[hardy ivy]

Ooo ok thank you

[chrome trellis]

@dim reef Which role did you need specifically?

[eternal tapir]

Personal hope is that it’s a launch title for the next series of Xbox consoles, unitonically

[feral viper]

2031, TES6: Morrowind 2; Nostalgic Boogaloo

[forest surge]

No more Morrowind plz lol.

[eternal tapir]

Wind of Morrows, an Elder Scrolls 6 Story

[dense star]

Is TES6 going to be Xbox exclusive?

[feral viper]

Highly unlikely.

A Microsoft Exclusive, possibly.

[warm coral]

Is this also eso chat

[livid ingot]

Nope, just the single-player games

TES:O chat happens on their official forums I think

[warm coral]

How to find eso chat discord official

Oh

[spare anchor]

They don't have a Discord with chat. You can find their forums here: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en

[warm coral]

Ty

[full tapir]

Khajiit and Argonian supporter

[dim reef]

Is anyone beein able to download the content of the SKyrim cretion club. Every time I try to download anything it says that Im not connected to Bethesda. Dont know what to do D:

[potent tinsel]

possibly, but technically no official announcement and there's this https://www.ign.com/articles/the-elder-scrolls-6-still-five-years-away-playstation-version-undecided

bigger question is if it even releases on current gen consoles

[potent tinsel]

huh? there hasn't been official single player morrowind content in 20 years

[forest surge]

Because we have other provinces lol, going back to Morrowind for another game would imo be ridiculous when we haven’t had games for the other provinces yet.

[potent tinsel]

maybe the other provinces are just really boring in comparison 😤

[forest surge]

If that’s what you believe, Morrowind is interesting but it’s really not that important to go back to anytime soon.

[tardy tiger]

Morrowind already gets enough content from heavy bias. They've had enough time.

[forest surge]

We only had 2 Expansions for them in ESO

Which tbf happened after 5 other Chapters between 1 and 7

1 and 7 are the only ESO Morrowind based expansions thus far.

Rather healthy gap before coming right back around.

I just don’t think for Mainline Titles we should get more Morrowind since Mainline Titles take much longer to release.

[potent tinsel]

0 single player content since 2003

[tardy tiger]

Who knew Dragonborn didn't have Dunmer stuff.
Morrowind and the Dunmer are well covered the other parts of Tamriel need it much more then the Dunmer will for a long time.

[forest surge]

ESO has got it covered for Dunmer from 2017 and 2023

[brisk phoenix]

So i saw the like TESVI won’t be ready for another 5 or 6 years

[feral viper]

We don't know

4 years is more likely. But we ultimately have no information beyond past trejds

[formal shadow]

So now that Bethesda has the technology to do it, we can expect to travel to the moons in TES6 right?

[fleet vine]

What Kai wrote has been said by Phil Spencer.

[trail rock]

IS this chat for ESO aswell?

Having some issues logging in atm. D: IS there something going on?

[spare anchor]

https://twitter.com/BethesdaSupport/status/1672976373344788482?s=20

Bethesda Support (@BethesdaSupport)

⚠️We are currently investigating issues some players are having logging into the @TESOnline North American #Xbox megaserver. #ESO

Twitter · Jun 25, 2023, 2:33 PM

[trail rock]

Thank you Lunar!

[feral viper]

Fair enough. Hadn't seen the new information.

[eager remnant]

That conflicts with statements made by Bethesda Softworks. I guess we'll have to wait and see.

[wheat dagger]

Yeah, i think we need to have to wait and see, Phil here just give a "safe" estimate, you don't know what happen in the future, also he talk based on his experience, if we follow usual BGS timeframe as per Pete Hines statement, it's around 4-5 years at max (sometime 3 if they were lucky), but anything could happen, like Starfield development, they took their time upgrading the engine, and more time to polishing the game etc.

[fleet vine]

Maybe by saying that rough estimate he was avoiding the exclusivity thing. By saying it now...would be negative maybe.

[livid ingot]

People should also remember that Covid happened during Starfield's development

[scenic spade]

I gotta admit man...

Being a tank in this game, in general, is underpowered.

These games, I say. I speak of Online, Oblivion, and Skyrim.

Stealth archery is where it's at.

Which is very realistic. That's the kind of combat style that will give you victory in the pre-gunpowder era. Just look at the Mongols. Speed, mobility, and accurate archery.

Whereas infantrymen in all of history were just sitting ducks encumbered by heavy stuff.

[mellow fossil]

Hey there, im new to the discord and probably want to get in on elder scrolls 6 chat the most lol

for some reason i was suggested the skyrim soundtrack on youtube and now ive been listening to it for three days non stop

[livid ingot]

I mean, if you want to talk realism, there is no such thing as a "tank" class irl. There was never an instance where you wanted to sponge damage because people aren't an HP bar. It's always been about avoiding hits. Armor is a safety net, not a primary method of defense.
I think the characterization infantrymen as sitting ducks in unfair too, armor wasn't as encumbering as video games often make it seem. But I don't want to venture too far off topic

You are totally correct though that the tank playstyle is very underwhelming in TES, and stealth is way OP.

[livid ingot]

TES music has some of the most iconic tracks. Many of Jeremy Soule's tunes are permanently etched in my memory

[mellow fossil]

Far Horizons is spine tinglingly good

i have to check out more of Jeremy Soule's stuff

and hopefully he's on board for tes6

[mellow fossil]

oh......maybe not based on what im reading now 😬

[livid ingot]

Yeaaah... no one has any idea. Doubtful perhaps. 🤷

[feral viper]

His best work remains Total Annihilation.

[proven yoke]

Oh hi there

[mellow fossil]

👋

[open scaffold]

is there online chat?

[eager remnant]

This is a Discord for the single-player Elder Scrolls games developed by Bethesda Game Studios. There is an ESO Discord (there is a link in #official-sites ), but it mainly functions as a platform for developer announcements. Feel free to discuss ESO on ZeniMax Online Studio's forums, which you can find here: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en

[onyx fable]

Are the Dragon fires lit in skyrim? Or wad oblivion the last time since the amulet was destroyed?

[onyx fable]

For what?

[open scaffold]

for elder scrolls online duh

[open scaffold]

yeah no chat there

[onyx fable]

Just a chat box no voice chat on PC. just text like warcraft. Console has the voice chat

@open scaffold

Which sucks imo cause I like to socialise with ppl

[feral viper]

They are gone. They were replaced with something else entirely.

[tardy tiger]

If they are a thing they are stuck on in the sense of stopping Daedric invasions. Though one of the CCs appear to working on removing it.

[livid ingot]

Yeah they're gone. It makes that clear at the end of Oblivion.

[onyx fable]

What do u mean CCs?@tardy tiger

So there's no more amulet of kings and dragon fires after obliv? Why's the amulet in ESO? that's like 500yrs before Oblivion

I thought the amulet of kings was only for the Septim Dynasty in 3E?

[tardy tiger]

Creation Club. The Cause opens an Oblivion Gate.

[onyx fable]

What's the cause? A skyrim mod?

[tardy tiger]

The Amulet of Kings at least lore wise was meant to be the thing that lights the Dragonfires and is a thing from Alessia to Martin (Alessian, Reman and Septim Dynastys would have the Amulets. The Ayleids originally had the gem before the Nedes got their hands on it.

[onyx fable]

I got all that down

I'm watching a lore video lol

[eager remnant]

As Lich King mentioned, it is Creation Club content.

[slow abyss]

should i get elder scrolls online?

i mean is it any good?

[livid ingot]

This chat is for the discussion of the single-player games

I haven't myself played ESO, never been much of an MMO player

[forest surge]

Depends, some either like the gameplay or don’t, aside from that it has expanded the Lore for close to 10 Years since 2014, and you can play it mostly solo as well before ever buying a membership or anything regarding dlc.

[dim reef]

dang my bad man ill watch my language

go dyno

[onyx fable]

yes if u like TES lore yes.

I actually read a book in Oblvion last night that talked about stuff in ESO

[willow wing]

#CatherineTaberforElderScrollsVI as a female nord follower just fixing a comment that has bad punctuation

Everybody have good day and Todd I am rooting for your comeback

[fleet vine]

So being TESVI about 4-5 years away...do u think maybe Jeremy Soule will make the ost?

[mellow fossil]

Whoever is chosen, the Skyrim soundtrack is a tough act to follow

They better be ready to brings all the feels

[fleet vine]

So true

[tardy tiger]

I don't beleive Jeremy Soule would be used as didn't he have some legal stuff going on?

[tropic mauve]

Mr. Soule and Bethesda do not have a working relationship anymore and it's not worth mentioning here.
Google it if you have to know. It took me a long time to get over it, as I've loved his music since 1997's Total Annihilation.

Ultimately, it's Bethesday/Zenimax's decision and they've made their decision. At the worst, if I end up hating the music in future titles, like I hate Fallout 4's music (not the radio, I love the radios but hate the soundtrack), I'll play without music for that "real" feeling.

I'm happy that Starfield's music appears to be excellent, or at least sufficiently "spacey".

[feral viper]

Indeed. Inon Zur has done a great job composing for Bethesda for the last decade, and I look forward to seeing what he can contribute to the musical identity of TES

[forest surge]

Inon Zur doing TES is something I’m unsure of, his Music has always had this bombastic feel to it with Fallout and even more so with Starfield.

[feral viper]

The themes, definitely. I actually think a lot of the more general and atmospheric stuff in Fallout 3 and 4 is more mellow than Skyrim, while not quite fading entirely to the background like Oblivion.

[tropic mauve]

Bombastic is good. I like me some Basil Poledouris.

[forest surge]

I like Jeremy’s Music in Oblivion, to think a near death experience can inspire a whole soundtrack

It’s something I constantly have running through my mind.

[tropic mauve]

That is a good soundtrack (Oblivion's).

[forest surge]

By Azura By Azura By Azura!

[feral viper]

I will have one character in Starfield with that Background... So I can flush him out an airlock

[livid ingot]

Yeah, TES will inevitably change and we should welcome that. In fact given the time between games I think we can expect the next title to feel quite different in many ways to previous ones. Heck, it may even be Todd's last game.

It'll be fascinating to see how TES changes in the future. And I'm eager to see it. I want new generations of fans to be moved by the tracks of new composers just as I was by Soule's work.

Good riddance, I say.

[eager remnant]

I've liked Soule's scores less with each Elder Scrolls game. So I'm interested to see what Inon Zur (or someone else) can do with the series, if they don't hire Soule. Personally I thought Zur's work on Dragon Age: Origins (also a fantasy game) was pretty good, so I'm optimistic.

[ripe abyss]

I’m very sad and disappointed that the next Elder scrolls game will be exclusive

I guess all future elder scrolls games will be as well rip

[forest surge]

Good Riddance? You make it sound like he was bad.

[livid ingot]

I'm glad they've parted ways. I don't think he was bad, obviously.

Bon Voyage! Godspeed! 'Bout time!

[forest surge]

I would be down for Brad Derrick, The Composer of The Elder Scrolls Online to do the Music for VI

[bitter kestrel]

As per #rules we do not allow leaks, rumours, or conspiracy theories on the server

[karmic rock]

i mean its just straight from the microsoft ftc hearing
obviously not the real date but yah fair

[livid ingot]

Anybody want to reexamine the teaser trailer for clues as to the setting? 😂

[forest surge]

I mean no point to other than to say it’s Hammerfell.

[mellow fossil]

Can someone more familiar tell me what kind of landscapes to expect then? What is in hammerfell? Forests? Mountains? Snowy tundra?

[feral viper]

Deserts, arid plains, steppes, mountains, coastal rainforests, alluvial river valleys, and grasslands mostly

[mellow fossil]

So pretty varied then?

Nice

[ripe abyss]

Not rumor when it was confirmed

But I understand

[feral viper]

Potentially, yes. It remains to be seen what is done with that potential.

[split brook]

I’ve just bought crowns for my son £20 worth to buy a sabre cat mount… and apparently it’s crown gems to purchase not crowns 🙈

The icons are very decieving as both the crown icon and crown gems icon looks very similar.

Bethesda/Zenimax should change the icon to something that looks a lot like a gem not a crown icon

[feral viper]

That sucks, but unfortunately this discord is for single player TES games made by Bethesda Game Studios, not for ESO. As such, it's unlikely anyone relevant will see the issue here.

[forest surge]

I would say Lore Channel here would allow for Lore regarding ESO

Just not anything else regarding ESO

[tropic mauve]

Exclusive to what?
Because I see the sames on more than one platform (PC) and that's the legendary platform anyways.

[forest surge]

Plus Bethesda games on Playstation are notorious for running the worst

And the fact Sony isn’t into the Modding Scene

Bethesda and Microsoft are made for one another

[ripe abyss]

Xbox doesn’t do modding either also the reason why is because mods would pretty much destroy the game and the consoles can’t handle it

[ripe abyss]

Easy for someone who only plays Xbox to say

[forest surge]

Okay, so what?

[ripe abyss]

You get to keep Bethesda games on your console so of course you would say that that’s all I’ll say

[forest surge]

Gonna let you know right now, it really isn’t that big a deal to me, While I would like to play the Sony Exclusives I still have time to do so in my life, I don’t have to rush to play them immediately. I want to Play Spiderman, God of War, Ghost of Tsushima, Horizon, Bloodborne and Demon Souls Remake.

Do I wish they weren’t exclusive like every game ever? Of course, but that’s the stance gaming companies want to do to sell there systems.

I also care nothing for the Console Wars whatsoever

[bitter kestrel]

Let's get back on topic please

[forest surge]

Yes let’s, because I love Bethesda

[feral viper]

I mean, let's be real

The lifeblood of BGS games is modding. So PC is it's realm home.

[mellow fossil]

Agreed, take the console warring nonsense elsewhere

[feral viper]

One thing I kinda hope NOT to see in TES6? Fishing.

[tropic mauve]

I want to see open-lock spells return.

It's the only thing about Skyrim I don't like.

[feral viper]

They're one of those things that... I like the IDEA of, but never the implementation

They just basically made Lockpicking superfluous

[dim reef]

I bought skyrim anniversary edition when i went into creation club it said i had to pay for everything. Does anyone know how to fix this im on xbox?

[tropic mauve]

YES because a student of magic would not use lockpicks like a common criminal.

[feral viper]

But as a gameplay mechanic, it largely marginalises one of the core systems for interaction with zero consequences.

So, the IDEA is definitely a good one, but how it was handled was problematic.

Similar situations include Durability and Armour Types.

[nimble pond]

So idk when TESVI will come put but apparently TESXVI drops in 2026 😆

[feral viper]

Notice.

Skipping 10 games and jumping straight to KINMUNE

[nimble pond]

To make up for the long wait in TES it'll have TES 6-15 included on TESXVI

[livid ingot]

Honestly, I rarely used Open Lock spells in Oblivion and when I was playing a mage. Lockpicking was easy enough and lockpicks common enough that you could open just about anything. Whereas the spells basically only let you open according to your skill level (and if you purchased the right spell).

[forest surge]

For the Record I care nothing for Console Wars

[livid ingot]

Open Lock was just terribly, clumsily implemented. And lockpicking being a mini game was infinitely exploitable even with a low skill

[forest surge]

I hope they include Fishing.

Fishing was introduced in ESO and then Skyrim’s 10th Anniversary Edition, at this point Fishing is considered something that should be in an Elder Scrolls Game.

[shell trout]

The Elder scrolls online is fun

[eager remnant]

If they do implement fishing I hope it can be done in both 1st and 3rd person. Over the years I have come to hate game mechanics that force 3rd person players into 1st person and 1st person players into 3rd person.

[mellow fossil]

Ohh, that wasn’t directed your way, dude. No offence intended, I promise.

I wish I had the time for ESO 😦

[livid ingot]

Yeah, I hate forced changes in perspective

[feral viper]

If you don't have time to make it work for both First and Third... Then cut it.

Or if you can't get it to work for first and 3rd... Cut it.

[ripe abyss]

I will miss being able to shout it would be amazing if we could shout in next game

[forest surge]

ESO allows fishing in both perspectives

[nimble pond]

• trapping on land
  But also maybe the fish will be big enough to eat you at some point 😁

[shell trout]

elder scrolls online shows a error message

[eager remnant]

This is a Discord for the single-player Elder Scrolls games developed by Bethesda Game Studios. There is an ESO Discord (there is a link in #official-sites ), but it mainly functions as a platform for developer announcements. If you are experiencing an issue with ESO please post it on ZeniMax Online Studio's forums, which you can find here: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en

[feral viper]

it may not be Shouting, but we could very likely get similar special powers.

[forest surge]

It definitely seems after Skyrim Bethesda is going the special powers route for Elder Scrolls Going forward, I think for Starfield it’s looking to be the same.

[livid ingot]

Shouts are just spells in game, just under a cooldown mechanic rather than a magicka spell bar.

[forest surge]

I mean yes I know, what I mean by special powers though is some nobody else but you tend to have, even though everyone else is capable of learning it, you are considered the Unique individual capable of doing more with it.

[livid ingot]

Oh, yeah well if Starfield is getting them (how soon do mods removing it emerge I wonder?) TES: VI definitely will.
Sorry, wasn't really responding to you specifically wolf. I just don't get the hype around Shouts and why they have to become a series staple now

[forest surge]

I personally wouldn’t want Shouts for the next game, do something new.

[feral viper]

Indeed. And I think whatever new power we see will be dependent on the setting in question.

[nimble pond]

What if they expand on it more than one power to choose from, all within the same theme? I did feel a bit out of place as a sneak thief shouting all the time giving away my location 😅 IM-DOVAH-HEREE!!!

[mellow fossil]

^ this touches on my hopes for it. I get that part of the thing with Starfield and this huge, hard to grasp scale but i'd prefer a focus on depth, detail & choice in ES6

[feral viper]

That's part of why I'd actually rather... Not have that sort of special power at all. Magic's fine.

[nimble pond]

But the prophecy good sir the prophecy 😅

[feral viper]

Prophecy didn't give the HOK or Nerevarine special powers.

Beyond being bad ass of course.

[scenic spade]

Hey, who’s online right now? Please holler.

Oh man, please don’t tell me this place is dead. I love this server.

[hollow herald]

I think most people are in the Starfield channels at the moment, they're very busy

[feral viper]

Activity here always comes and goes, but it never dies entirely

[mellow fossil]

they get unnecessarily angry over there

i dont like it

[hollow herald]

Yeah, lots of disagreements over unknown stuff

[gloomy anchor]

People get very excited so it leads to some spirited debates sometimes.

[paper prism]

I apologize if this seems irrelevant (once I come up with a thought, I can't get rid of it)... I couldn't figure out if this should go here or the lore channel, but: Do Argonians molt?

[eager remnant]

"Argonians moult; they shed their scales every now and then to make way for new ones. Sometimes, they have difficulty losing their old scales, which may cling to their bodies. Thick brushes are designed for rubbing off shedding scales, but are detrimental to the dermal health of other races."

https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Argonian

[forest surge]

Stress can also cause Scales to come off

[scenic spade]

Anyone here?

[hidden herald]

We also shed our scales, they're just much smaller and not all at once, usually.

[nimble pond]

While we're at it, do Khajiit lick themselves? 😳

[paper prism]

Thank you!

[tropic mauve]

Good question. The males, according to a banned, lewd book in Morrowind, have similar reproductive physiology as male housecats.
Wouldn't surprise me (without looking) if Khajiit groomed like real life cats too.+

[void palm]

will the elder scrolls six have improved shaders with things like moveable grass, physics on clothing and wet surfaces or is the engine going to fail us again?

[livid ingot]

Hopefully...

[formal shadow]

With the new engine, and the tech created from Starfield, we can finally explore ALL of Mundus!

[feral viper]

Maybe. Though I think that would ultimately be a waste of effort

I'd infinitely rather one well done province, than an entire multiverse of shallow worlds.

[safe axle]

Grass in skyrim actually moving, just hard to notice it if you dont stand still and look at them for straight 30 seconds
Not just grass but trees too.
However if you meant something like stepping on grass and leave your marks like theHunter then we might wanna wait for Sf to confirm that

[nimble pond]

I know it's alot, but I'd love to see drastic changes as the seasons pass by in the province. Even things like lakes freezing over or drying up when rainy season is over

[feral viper]

Depending on the region, seasons could be relatively easy to pull off.

In places like Valenwood, Summerset, Elsweyr and Hammerfell, there probably wouldn't be much freezing. Rather, 'Winter' would just mean more rain in the weather system.

[neon pier]

I know it is stupid but I hope ES6 answers the eternal question regarding the existence of magical teleportation:

Why do ships exist if magicka users can just teleport people and objects across vast distances?

I always assumed it was because transporting cargo by teleportation would be too physically taxing to be commonplace, but imagine Amazon, ie East Empire Company, existing. They would totally hire mage for round the clock teleporting. It probably wouldn't be a terrible job except I bet they'd make you pee in a bottle instead of giving you a 15. Oh, maybe that is the real reason the Mages Guild exists? The teleportation mages unionized and limited teleportation to just people because the EEC was overworking them?

I really want an answer this question. It keeps me up at night.

[feral viper]

Why do Container Ships exist if planes can travel 100x faster?

Could simply be a logistical issue. Transporting large volumes of people or goods would be debilitatingly difficult via magic, so more conventional means are used instead.

[forest surge]

Food cannot be transported through Portals, doing so causes them to spoil.

[feral viper]

We also aren't generally talking, like, WoW. Stable, continuous portals are extremely difficult to create in TES. short term ones over short distances are more common, though still seem to require highly specialised mages.

[tardy tiger]

Which is already a thing fixed if I recall. I think the dude in ESO who hand;es the more magical crafting writs talks of it

[tardy tiger]

I wouldn't hold out hope on it. Portals tended to be ignored lore wise which can get very silly when the world can and will use magic in war like Waterbreathing during the Reman-Morrowind wars and levataion during the Alessian Rebellion (What would later become Bravil)

[forest surge]

Well regardless I wouldn’t be surprised if Portals are more a Luxury to those in Power

[tardy tiger]

I wouldn't. As portals are used quite a bit which I think is probably what the Mage's Guild transport system probably is.
The lack of lore surrounding it is why it got overused by ESO.

I think it's more that at times TES doesn't look at magic for stuff at times. Like why not send some Battlemages across the sea, hide in a cave and open a portal and boom there's your invasion force.

it's the trouble of working with magic in worldbuilding I feel.

[hollow herald]

Could it be explained through either reluctance to use portals for fear of that type of magic, or that it takes a heavy toll on whoever maintains the portal?

[tardy tiger]

Part of the problem now is we have ESO using it in war because the door was left wide open.
Which if I recall PvP Cyrodiil (wall towers), Stonefalls and Bal Foyan have portals with mages bringing soldiers to places in war.

[hollow herald]

I wish we could pretty much ignore ESO when it comes to TES Lore 😛

[tardy tiger]

Eh it's less an ESO problem and more TES never really put anything with it so the door was open for them to do anything with it.
The worldbuilding of TES can weirdly just forget magic exists at times.

[forest surge]

And immediately I know who to not speak to regarding Lore in general lol

[hollow herald]

I mean that's fair, I never really played ESO, I played Morrowind, Oblivion and Skyrim but never got too deep into the lore

I enjoy reading about it, however never really gave it too much of a thought

[forest surge]

That came out wrong, Didn’t mean to be rude about it, just that I among many other run into those in the community who would rather ESO not be considered canon when they already made it clear it is.

[hollow herald]

Ah, I see!

[forest surge]

There is also some people who think ESO is the one that caused issues in General with lore but world building related things are not just an Issue in ESO, it’s occurred in the mainline games and it’s spinoffs and people for some reason either ignore that or just look at ESO like it shouldn’t count because it’s not a singleplayer game.

[tardy tiger]

ESO did quite a bit for the Wood Elves if I recall. So it can't be ignored since it's responsible for like most of its lore.

[forest surge]

And Khajiit as well.

Not only that but other cultures were also expanded upon like Argonians and Reachmen

[forest surge]

Ultimately though everyone will either like lore additions or not.

[feral viper]

The issue more becomes when people just decide to reject the things they don't like.

For instance, I can't stand basically everything in Valenwood in ESO. But it's still canon, in so far as it is currently what the standing lore says. Whether I like that or not.

[bitter mirage]

interestingly, the idea that Argonians molt or shed is actually contradictory to a dev answer that was given once-upon-a-time on the issue after claiming Argonian skin was more snake-like and silky than it was rough and more traditionally reptilian

ofc, it's also worth noting they're morphologically diverse, obviously, so it's possible there's even some that don't... but the most official answer is still "yes," like pseron and everyone pointed to

[bitter mirage]

it's not a big deal and we probably shouldn't stick to the topic, but i felt the need to point out that the uncensored version of the book you're talking about is from daggerfall, not morrowind

[bitter mirage]

i think one of the major reasons that people can be so hard on ESO is it's done by ZOS instead of BGS, who has an entirely separate lore-team from BGS. they still communicate with, get resources from, and double check things with BGS, but considering that the original live game made it in with "[sic]" in so many books (iirc), it's clear there wasn't always as rigorous of a process for loremaking... fortunately, they've gotten better, but the team difference is still noticeable. it's obvious ESO is made game-first in a way that other TES games aren't, which is to be expected for an MMO, but still means a fundamentally different compatibility with lore, and requires a different type of worldbuilding than we normally experience with TES. i believe Schick even talked about this a little

Why can a non-vestige character (created in the ESO:Morrowind tutorial) use the wayshrine system? (2017-04-20):
Here you see a symptom of a dilemma that exists for ESO that was never an issue for the single-player games. A packaged single-player game is by its nature a self-contained fire-and-forget product—it may have retcons in it, but in the end it says what it says and it’s graven in stone, no matter what devs and players may have to say about it later. An MMO is a different animal: it’s a live game that evolves over time, changing due to both player feedback and the need to issue new content to keep it fresh. Everyone on this forum loves Elder Scrolls lore, and we do too, but every Elder Scrolls title is designed first as a game, and then lore is created to support its game-ness. New lore is ideally consistent with pre-existing background, but the lore has to support the game rather than the reverse. With ESO we have the unprecedented issue of having to write lore that supports a game that can then FUNDAMENTALLY CHANGE in response to player feedback and external market forces. Before One Tamriel, you could look at ESO and say, “Okay, geography equals history, and where the player is on the map is where they are in time.” That no longer applies, and lore created to support the mechanics of the game at launch is now out of step with the observable world of the ongoing game. ESO: Morrowind, with its new non-Vestige tutorial, shakes that up even further. We have some ideas about how to explain these revisions to reality within the context of existing mythic structure … but since you brought it up, we’d love to hear YOUR ideas on how ESO’s current take on Nirn “makes sense” according to pre-existing lore. All right, the Vosh Ball is in your court—have at it!
he also claims that TES games are built game-first and lore-second, but imo they are built much more closely to one another than in ESO. the gameplay and lore are basically intertwined in the best cases, and everything feels so alive because of it. Morrowind absolutely reeks of the otherworldly through and through, Skyrim captures the adventure and grandiosity of its own province, and balancing everything isn't that big an issue - after all, it's single player, so you don't have to account for one person ruining everyone else's experiences, or someone jumping ahead in a questline or something because they joined a friend. the way lore operates has to change to accommodate those things

[forest surge]

Yeah I figured

[tardy tiger]

TBF TES games are gameplay first with lore being secondary. Because lore has always been fluid to allow devs to do whatever they want with the game they are currently working on regardless of previous games.

Want to add a new race out of nowhere? Go ahead it's fine
Want to completely change a faction that has already appeared? Go ahead it's fine. (Dark Brotherhoods change in TES4 and the constantly changing Blades)
Want to completely change a province despite previous descriptions? Go ahead it's fine

[forest surge]

I mean I think we discussed this back in the other server with the Dark Brotherhood but they really had no actual backstory behind them besides being an Assassin group that splintered off from the Morag Tong and simply worked with Dagonists to get a foothold in Morrowind.

[tardy tiger]

Still allowed them to be completly changed despite interactions in I think Daggerfall (?) Morrowind and its Tribunal expansion

[forest surge]

Yeah but I just find it difficult to just look at Oblivion as just the Major change for them when they were pretty much just “A Splintered Group from The Morag Tong.”

If that makes any sense

[forest surge]

Daggerfall had a book on the Dark Brotherhood I believe, it was also a book that mentioned the interregnum

[tardy tiger]

It's still a major change for them as we have the dev who worked on them that said he wanted to change their lore.

I think Daggerfall had the chance to join I just cannot check it now as i;m finishing up in ESO right now

[forest surge]

Yeah I’m aware, but I also think on one hand the fact there wasn’t much to say about them besides heresay would just mean changing the lore of them in 4, while a change, didn’t feel like a change but more of an expansion of what we really didn’t know.

I hope that makes sense

It’s why Emil saying that confuses me because the Dark Brotherhood just really didn’t feel all that fleshed out as it was prior to Oblivion.

[tardy tiger]

Not really much to be confused about because TES2 and 3's version wasn't a evil murder cult that wasn't a twisted catholicism if I recall his words.

[forest surge]

Yes in that regard yeah. I’m just trying to explain that while we now have the iteration of Oblivion going forward for the series at large, I look at the Dark Brotherhood of the past as not just an example of early lore but just that they were pretty much nothing but an Assassin Group with nothing more than that to them.

[feral viper]

Which in some cases is better.

The Dark Brotherhood being one of those cases.

Basically, prior to Oblivion the Dark Brotherhood was either a Thieves Guild splinter that accepted murder contracts (which the Thieves Guild refused for practical reasons. Murder brings more attention from the authorities) of a Morag Tong splinter faction that wanted to branch out from the orders more strict rules. Possibly a merger of both.

[harsh thorn]

Basically, prior to Oblivion the Dark Brotherhood was either a Thieves Guild splinter that accepted murder contracts (which the Thieves Guild refused for practical reasons. Murder brings more attention from the authorities) of a Morag Tong splinter faction that wanted to branch out from the orders more strict rules. Possibly a merger of both.

[feral viper]

https://tenor.com/view/superstore-jonah-simms-yes-thats-what-i-said-i-said-that-ben-feldman-gif-22787449

[granite garden]

eso is on gamepass yea?

[tropic mauve]

Yes.

[dapper yew]

Who much hours left na server ps?

[lethal dome]

Im curious, does anyone else lowkey kinda hope that Starfield doesnt do very well/flops in hopes that'll make Bethesda put triple effort in to TES 6? If ES6 ends up being awful (which im sure it wont as Bethesda are pretty reliable with TES games) then im sure modders will end up remaking Skyrim on the ES6 engine anyway 😂

[forest surge]

Personally I hope it does well just to shut up the Elder Scrolls and Fallout Fans that hope for it to fail so they can get there precious games faster, and this is coming from a Fan of both.

[lethal dome]

Been waiting 12 years for TES 6... think we have the right to be getting impatient. I thought they were waiting for UE5 but I was wrong

[forest surge]

Oh no everyone who are fans have a right to be impatient, but hoping for it to fail is selfish as well

Bethesda finally doing something new is a good thing that could spawn an entire new franchise for people to follow.

We’ll essentially have a Trinity.

Elder Scrolls, Fallout, Starfield.

[lethal dome]

Which was the last Fallout game?

[forest surge]

Singleplayer wise it was 2015

[lethal dome]

Which was the one that flopped badly?

[forest surge]

76 in 2018, it flopped at launch only to recover in the years since with it’s own dedicated fanbase lol

[feral viper]

If by 'Flopped' we mean 'was a minor to middling success but failed to achieve expected sales'.

1.4 million sales is still not a flop

More to the point, no. I hope Starfield is a success, and sets a good precedence to start off the BGS-Microsoft relationship, rather than tanking the studio's credibility right out of the gate with their first post-takeover release.

Starfield being a success means solid confidence from Microsoft in the marketability of BGS, and thus greater willingness to invest in their future titles.

[feral viper]

Ultimately, despite my criticisms, I never want a Bethesda game to fail. Because even at their worst, their games scratch an itch no one else does. And their potential puts them closer to Revolutionary than most of the industry.

As a general rule, though, I don't want ANYONE'S games to fail. Except for one studio who will go unnamed.

[mossy canopy]

i’ve got a question for anyone who can answer, i have looked high and low for an answer online and i am coming up empty handed. i never got the dinner invitation to begin the quest “guests for dinner” on skyrim anniversary edition. i have tried to add the item using console commands and adding the quest in the same way, but i’m new to the whole console commands thing and am having problems. i just want to u lock the bloodchill manor but the game is doing everything it can to stop me i guess. anyone who can help me out would be greatly appreciated.

[eternal tapir]

Baldur’s gate fans can wait over 20 years for a sequel. We should be fine

[lethal dome]

Think TES has a much bigger fan base

[feral viper]

Have you tried triggering the next quest stage to bypass the item check?

[mossy canopy]

the cave isn’t even there when i go to it for some reason

[feral viper]

And you have the quest? What does it say in the Journal?

[mossy canopy]

i don’t have the quest

[feral viper]

Ok, let me do some readi g and I'll get back to you

[mossy canopy]

thanks

[feral viper]

Ok, step 1, make sure the module is installed and active.

If it is, try setstage ccEEJSSE005_Quest 30 1

[mossy canopy]

i’ll try it when i get a chance and i’ll let you know

[feral viper]

Cool cool.

[mossy canopy]

so it is listed under the installed content in the game settings but the console command did not work

it says “compiled script not saved”

@feral viper

[scenic spade]

Anyone awake?

[feral viper]

Hmm, unfortunately that about puts us at the end of my experience using the console commands

[mossy canopy]

not sure what else to do

[feral viper]

Nor am I, unfortunately.

[scenic spade]

Anyone here?

[feral viper]

I am

Mostly. Depends on where 'Here' is.

Technically, I was somewhere else when I wrote that, and am now several hundred km away from where I was.

https://tenor.com/view/solar-system-planets-axis-spin-gif-16114472

[tropic mauve]

The perfect defense lol

[uneven verge]

i would recommend going and doing some other content and hoping the courier shows up, or fast travel a bunch

[mossy canopy]

i’ve done both unfortunately

[mossy canopy]

update idk what i did but i think i fixed it thanks for helping 🙂

[feral viper]

Excelent. Enjoy

[bitter mirage]

imo, Starfield is lowkey a test-run for TES6. the fact that they're testing deeper character creation especially makes me hopeful that it'll succeed. if all they get is hate because the game is bad, that means they don't get much positive feedback on the things we do want to see more of. it also means less funding for TES6, and could mean that they've gotta scrap things that they thought were good ideas - meaning it could take longer as they replace those ideas. overall, Starfield succeeding feels like the biggest win a TES fan could get rn besides a new TES game. Starfield failing could doom TES6 just as hard

[strong ember]

has bethesda ever commented on young scrolls music?

[eager remnant]

I'm afraid I don't quite understand. What do you mean by "young scrolls" music?

[strong ember]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PaZXPx1kdtg

[strong ember]

this

[eager remnant]

I am not aware of any representative from the company commenting on the video. But I do know that Craig Sechler (voice actor of the Adoring Fan) likes the video very much. He speaks of it here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5kMWwSTJcXo&t=1008s

[strong ember]

Thats so cool :)

[feral viper]

Indeed. Though I think given the functional differences in approach they've shown between TES, Skyrim and now Starfield show that they aren't married to a single character-building dynamic

So it's entirely possible that the 'deeper' character creation of Starfield may ultimately have little to no impact on how they approach TES6s character creation.

[tropic mauve]

I do not think it is possible, but probable. Likely even.
Different game, different priorities.

[feral viper]

Indeed. I still think Skyrim presents one of the best foundations for an RPG, mechanically, that we've ever had. Though it needs some significant work to polish up

[bitter mirage]

true. ig i just hope that if it gets positive feedback then they'll be more incentivized to bring it to TES6

[feral viper]

I have a very low opinion in regards to general gamer feedback. But I do hope Bethesda listens to the more thoughtful commentary, rather than the mob.

[tropic mauve]

I think Bethesda is.
The Fallout 3 lockpicking was well received and has remained a staple (for example).
The Fallout 4 dialogue system looks like it's been dropped (thankfully) or tweaked heavily.
The voiced protagonist has been dropped all together and I think that means they've been listening.

You can hear it in Todd Howard's voice in the directs. They do care and they want to please us.

I'm more than happy to continue this in #off-topic

[feral viper]

Again though, it's a questions of what lessons they're taking, and how they can apply to TES.

Reverting dialogue to the old approach was a major step backwards, showing that the wrong lesson was taken.

On the other hand, a lot of the skill and perk stuff that's been learned from FO4 and will be learned from Starfield doesn't really have that strong a direct application in TES.

At least not without a major shift in how the games handle Skills and character abilities.

It's not too far fetched to imagine that, given how Skills and Perks work in Starfield, we'll see the traditional Skill system in TES disappear entirely. Which would be a major loss, IMO

[tropic mauve]

I agree with your analysis but not the conclusion about any changes being a loss.
Fundamentally, Elder Scrolls is a use-it-then-gain-skill-points system and Fallout is a experience-points-earned-then-spent system.
It's one of the unique things about the Elder Scrolls. I think Skyrim finally fixed it, and the Legendary inclusion uncapped that in a way I think is good.

We'll have to wait and see if they go for a Fallout-traditional-XP system or not. Part of me hopes they don't, keeping that very unique aspect of the Elder Scrolls, but if it ends up being fun and doesn't harm role play I'm not against a change like that either.

[nimble pond]

As a bard it would be cool to create my own songs in-game and hear the bards sing them throughout the lands telling my epic stories thru song (even my own house bard). I could write like the worst lyrics ever and totally off-beat and hear them wherever I go ☺️
Furthermore, I'll ofc start my own boy bard band and have tomatoes, cabbages, & sweetrolls thrown at me on a daily basis.
It would be cool if a certain type of regenerative magic of it's own accord was fused with the music. Kinda like how Ocarina of Time made stuff happen whenever you played it.

[feral viper]

While I agree, that would be neat as heck... Buuut I don't really see a way to approach it without resorting to AI voice duplication.

Which is one hell of a dubious grey area right now. And thus, highly unlikely.

[feral viper]

Agreed. And ultimately... I just think TES' approach is superior in basically every way.

[nimble pond]

Yea I kno the voice would be limited, I was thinking more of the instruments and lyrics for now.

[tropic mauve]

I think both approaches have their pros and cons.

[feral viper]

I suppose they did do something similar with the Burning of King Olaf in Skyrim.

[feral viper]

As do I, on the grand scale of things, but I think a Skill-Driven EXP model has more pros and fewer cons than an Objective-Driven EXP model.

[thorny night]

Anyone able to help with a console command issue I’m having? 👀

[feral viper]

Maybe. What's the issue?

[thorny night]

I’ve used the ‘Setrace NordRaceVampire’ command to revert her back to vampire form since I regretted curing her. But her face is awful, it’s changed to a crimson shade with vampiric features… is there anything I can do to fix it other than having to stick with her human form?

Serana* that is

She looks so bad 😂

[feral viper]

As far as I know, there's no way to do it. When you set race Vampire, it turns them into a standard Vampire, which brings with it the normal modifications.

[thorny night]

Ah damn 🫤

[feral viper]

I don't actually know if there is a way to manually set it to Vampire Lord through the console, but I'll do some googling and see if I can find a command.

[thorny night]

Thank you! Very appreciated

[thorny night]

Ultimately I just wanted a way to revert my decision in curing her. But I don’t think there’s a way 🫤

[feral viper]

Indeed... All I'm finding is a way to add the spell to transform

Unfortunately, it seems like a hard baked decision that you can't force a reversal of

[eager remnant]

Do you have an older save you can revert to?

[thorny night]

I do yes. I’m on that save at the moment

Oh do you mean before I cured her?

I do, but I’ve made a ton of progress after that point… so I’m hesitant to go back 🥴

[thorny night]

Cheers for looking 👍🏼

[feral viper]

No problem. Sorry I couldn't find a solution.

[tropic mauve]

I agree, for the Elder Scrolls. For Fallout (and I suspect for Starfield, depending on how it goes) I like the other way.

[tropic mauve]

"With this character's change, the thread of happy gameplay is severed. Restore a saved game to restore the weave of immersion, or persist in the doomed world you have created."

[scenic spade]

I dont know why. Maybe it's because Bethesda games don't follow the more etablished RPG tropes...

For some reason I'm fascinated by the Thieves Guild both in Skyrim and in Oblivion. More than the actual Warriors Guild of each game.

[wide garnet]

One “trope” I find rather annoying, because people put it in there whether they’re moderators or modders, is the “bikini armor” trope.

[eager remnant]

How do moderators put tropes into games?

[hidden herald]

I think they meant developers or modders, most likely

[eager remnant]

Yes, that occurred to me about two minutes after I wrote the post. I actually came back to ask if that's what they meant, lol. 🙂

[wide garnet]

Yup, I do.

[tropic mauve]

I understand why the bikini armors are popular, but I too find them ridiculous. I get the "fantasy" vibe but I want steel plated Companions rejects tearing through the lines with me looking like the power armored Starship Troopers with swords that we are.

Doubly so for firey, Riften Righteous Rearrangerators too.

[feral viper]

I think classical, Sword and Sorcery visuals have a place in over the top, absurdist Fantasy settings.

TES has not been one of those for the better part of 30 years..

[dapper yew]

Tonight my birthday i go seaside. Restaurant with family

[feral viper]

Happy birthday

[livid ingot]

I agree. I'm not fundamentally opposed to them in any way. Its all in good fun. But they clash so terribly with TES's visual style I don't really understand how other people can stand it.

You'd have to do a total overhaul to make TES resemble something out of the 80's Conan sex-charged high fantasy ascetic to make bikini armors look like they belong

[feral viper]

Hormones, most likely.

But, getting into more subjective tastes... As I've gotten older I've fallen further rand further out of love with that sort of aesthetic, and as a whole, that sort of Warrior-Depiction.

A bunch of half naked Berserkers flailing about like a drunk frat boy on the dance floor are infinitely less impressive than a block of well drilled infantry fighting like competent soldiers.

I actually, apparently, let out an audible 'Oh God yes' on my first viewing of the new Napoleon trailer, when they showed an overhead of regiments actually advancing in formation, rather than as a mob like so many movies.

Which, tangentially... Skyrim's Civil War battles highlighted just how poorly equipped the engine is to handle any plot or interaction of that scale.

It was also an element in Oblivion, with the Oblivion Crisis feeling more like an annoying bandit raid than a dedicated and widespread invasion of any sort, but... After Skyrim it became pretty clear that they should just avoid War stories altogether.

[feral viper]

It's less about numbers, and more about back end things like behaviours, AI tracking, necessary specialised animations etc.

Adding numbers just turns it into a mob... Which may be appropriate for some things, but like... The Legion? There is no sodding way they'd fight like that.

[livid ingot]

Yeah, one of the biggest causes for frame drops in Oblivion and Skyrim mods are NPC behavior. Get too many npcs in a scene and the game starts to tank

It would be great if this could be fixed or streamlined better in future games

[feral viper]

Yeah, like... Transitioning from individual and unit behaviours in a dynamic way isn't exactly easy to do. But it's something that's absolutely necessary if you're going to try to approach any sort of military engagement.

Otherwise you just get Hollywood schlock battles.

[nimble pond]

But I am xena warrior princess..

Alalelelelele
https://media.tenor.com/2ZJze35UqWcAAAAC/lucy-lawless-xena.gif

[feral viper]

I should rewatch that...

[tropic mauve]

Hey... that would be a neat role play, for any of the games.

[livid ingot]

I wonder how Zena holds up these days... 🤔

[feral viper]

A lot better than Hercules

[nimble pond]

I wish most everything could be used as a weapon since you already pick up a lot of things. Crack a wine bottle over the head or temporarily blindness from sweetroll icing to the face. Would be great if they brought back thrown weapons skill to go with all that.

[tropic mauve]

It's the CGI from that period. It's rough. I love Babylon 5 but I seize hard when I see the CGI.

[feral viper]

Yeeeah..

[uneven verge]

i love the elder scrolls 😄

[feral viper]

Never could get into them. It's like they're written in some extinct language or something. Not an easy read, I tell ya what.

[uneven verge]

i get the big print copies its way easier

i have some study guides too theyre v useful

[tropic mauve]

No grilling/propane related emojis. (Lemon drop) Unacceptable.

[feral viper]

I hear reading them is like getting kicked by a horse. Makes ya go blind.

[tropic mauve]

The Thalmor have a master mother seer, I aptly call, The Beastess.
She sees all and knows all, Hank Fire-Bringer.

But they won't get Rustee Shackles-for-D, the Khajiit master assassin.

*takes drag on Skooma hooka

[feral viper]

Slow your roll there, Nu-Hatta

[feral viper]

Baldur's Gate 3's hype train deeply worries me.

Not because I expect the game to be bad, but because I'm concerned about the lessons the industry will take from it, and what that could mean for RPGs like TES

[frosty patrol]

Which hype? The one where people are saying Baldur's Gate III has 17,000 endings?

[feral viper]

And has 174 hours of cut scenes, thousands of choices, infinite replayability etc.

The cutscenes thing probably refers to Dialogue as well, making it technically true but not actually very accurate.

Similar to Fallout 3 having '200 endings'.

Which, just to be clear... I am entirely against anyway. Alternate ending and 'choice' are over rated platitudes that ultimately do nothing to add to the story and almost always make it worse.

[eager remnant]

Tim Cain posted a video today listing features he likes in RPGs. With one exception (slideshow endings) I pretty much agree with his points. I think the Elder Scrolls games fulfills these criterion (to a lesser or greater degree) pretty well. Terical will probably take issue with some of these, though. 🙂

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3a9LxjNNhCc

[humble gulch]

Do you think it would be overdelivering ?

[feral viper]

It may.

Gamers in general have a problem where they let perfection get in the way of progress, and compare everything to the 'best' as a standard rather than what they often are.

Extraordinary examples.

[humble gulch]

I remember destiny 2 devs calling Elden Ring over delivering and proceeded to deliver the worst expansion of destiny 2

[feral viper]

Well, IMO, as a Souls-like, Elden Ring underdelivered basically as a rule of thumb. But that's a whole other discusion

Gamers tend to set their standards to the highest example possible, rather than recognising quality for it's own sake.

[humble gulch]

I agree with this

[humble gulch]

True

[feral viper]

Baldur's Gate 3 will be good. It will likely be great. Larian is like Sabaton, in that they have never failed to deliver something I like.

Buuut... I'm somewhat concerned about the lessons everyone ELSE take from it.

[feral viper]

Not ignoring you, I'm just finishing up work and can't easily watch a video. Soon though.

[minor trellis]

Hello people how's it going? I've written about this in the other channels I think it fits better in, this one seems to be more active so I'm hoping I actually get a reply, I'm wondering if there is any way to mod SkyrimVR for the psvr (PS4). I've looked online for answers but have found conflicting answers so I'm turning to the community of discord for guidance

[feral viper]

Unfortunately, I have zero experience with PS, so there's nothing I could do but search myself. And you seem to have that avenue covered.

[humble gulch]

I don’t think mods are supported on ps in general

[lost pulsar]

They need to fix the Elder Scrolls Online launcher as I have waited about 6 hours waiting for the game to download and then it went and said I didn't have enough space so fixed the space and I tried it again but this time I had to wait about two hours at which point it said there had been an error and it needed to repair but once I clicked to repair it just came up with the exact same message asking if I wanted to repair. It did this about five times and now I'm waiting yet again to download the game. What is going on with this?

[eager remnant]

This is a Discord for the single-player Elder Scrolls games developed by Bethesda Game Studios. If you are experiencing an issue with ESO please post it on ZeniMax Online Studio's forums. You can find them here: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en

[lost pulsar]

Is there not a Discord channel for it?

[eager remnant]

There is, yes (you can access it by clicking on #official-sites ) but it mainly serves as a platform for developer announcements.

[minor trellis]

I have a friend who has the non VR version modded, I was just trying to be hopeful that someone knew of a way to get them set up on the VR version

[feral viper]

For the most part, I agree with everything he says. Except for the storytelling aspect.

I utterly hate alternate endings, and cannot name a single game which I would say was improved by those sorts of 'Choices'.

In general, I view them as a crutch for writers to not have to explore complex narratives and reflect the agency of OTHERS within the narrative.

They're just a clumsy and lazy way to emphasise a narrative power fantasy that strips the world and story of any sort of actual life.

[eager remnant]

I like alternate endings for side and miscellaneous quests. But not for main quests. When it comes to main quests I prefer to be given alternate paths that arrive at one definitive ending.

[feral viper]

Yeah. At the end of the day, telling a multifaceted story that has to be viewed from multiple angles allows you to account for some degree of player choice and agency, creates meaningful consequences that can't just be ignored by a do over, and tells a far better story

And it's something I wish developers would do more, instead of reaching for the low hanging fruit of meaningless 'choices' for the sake of player ego.

[dim tartan]

Ancient Dragon Hunter Horse Mount for Xbox
happy hunting

MC63M-GDGF2-D36H7-C6JFV-773KZ

[tribal kiln]

How come it asks me for ps plus when my disc says no subscription required and I never need a subscription

[feral viper]

PS Plus is needed to go online at all, I believe.

It's a Sony end thing, not the game.

[feral viper]

Alrighty, well... This came up in another discord and I thought I'd bring it up here as well to see if it garnered any discussion.

Pertaining to Skills, I do think that Skyrim's more minimalistic approach is superior to older approaches due to its ability to cover both the natural foundation of Like-Skills, as well as the specialisations within broader concepts.

What do I mean by this?

Look at Daggerfall. It has Axe, Blunt, Long Blade, Short Blade, and Critical Strike. All as independent Skills.

The issue with this is... Fighting, regardless of the weapon used, relies on many of the same fundamentals of movement and footwork. A master Fencer isn't going to pick up an Axe and suddenly be entirely useless.

Ways people have proposed to deal with this disconnect typically involve % contributions to similar Skills, to represent the overlap. So, for instance, Long Blade may offer 40% experience gain to Short Blade, and 20% to Axe and Blunt.

Which IS a solution, but creates the additional problem of a lot of back end clutter that the Player needs to track, of may just not have access to at all. And that makes character management far more difficult and unintuitive.

Skyrim's approach, however, is simply and easy to follow. Skills are grouped largely based on Lke-Activities. Using 1-Handed Weapons. Talking to people. That sort of things. So, by default, the Skills represent the unified fundamentals of those activities.

You then use perks to represent the specialisations within those activities. 1-Handed does this the best, though even then not super well. But it helps encapsulate the potential.

[forest surge]

Which is very much true

They won’t be as skilled with using it but the same mentality of dodge and attack is still there.

[feral viper]

Yeah

[feral viper]

The overall beauty of Skyrim's system (not necessarily it's use of that system) is that you can add any specialization you want into those broader, activity-driven Skills.

Skyrim uses Blade, Axe and Blunt as specialisations within 1-Handed Weapon. Which is a fine base-line example. But there's no reason you can't have Scimitar, Katana, Hatchet, Dagger, Mace, Hammer, Longsword, etc.

Even more, you could just as easily break it into specific styles and techniques WITH particular weapons. Differentiating between, for instance, Mamluk style Scimitar fighting and Moorish style.

Without any systemic changes, you can go as deep as to specialise how you fight with individual styles of weapons.

Which is something that would be headache inducing to try and achieve in a pure Individual Skill model..

[eager remnant]

I love what Bethesda did with skills and perks in Skyrim and I hope they expand and improve on that foundation when they develop TES VI.

[feral viper]

Indeed. I think it's a system with near limitless potential, which can do everything the older system did, and more, with relative ease.

It just needs to be used well

[dim furnace]

Hi everybody!

[pallid plover]

I have laggy cursor issue in oblivion and I wonder how to solve it. Any ideas?

[dim furnace]

drink more skooma

[pallid plover]

No drugs plz

[tribal kiln]

But the disc says no subscription required and no ps plus, but when I got my new PlayStation 4 because my old one wouldn’t take disc anymore I clicked on the one I bought through the ps store it said use disc I said yes and it’s never asked me for ps plus until now

[feral viper]

Dunno, unfortunately.

[tribal kiln]

Well thanks for trying to help, god bless u

[feral viper]

Wish I could be more of a help.

[tribal kiln]

Oh it’s okay

[blissful pelican]

some op can help me recover my eso account sesitive matter

i fourgout my secret answer for security

i need help

[nocturne stone]

Hello! Please fill out this form to get assistance in recovering your account: https://help.bethesda.net/#en/home/product/1/category1/860

[blissful pelican]

i all ready fill form on bethesda

and says on my ticket page error 404

without a log in

but i wait for email

[nocturne stone]

Did you try clearing your cache and/or using Incognito mode in your browser?

[blissful pelican]

i use normaly

no icognito

i will resend

now loged in

[nocturne stone]

Fantastic!

[blissful pelican]

says is duplicate

and someone says on my behalf that my email is my email in my name not the answerd question

is like time line laps a frame

i use that email and don't know why i recieve on old eso site answer for it in time from some one

not on shown bethesda.net site

[nocturne stone]

Are you able to respond to your ticket?

[blissful pelican]

An error has occurred

i cant form

says must fetch first loocked up name

the eso name id is older than bethesda.net account and is different

how can i set my linked accounts if i dont use the username secret answer anymore

i never use it

and i didnt write it down

[nocturne stone]

You said you were able to log in earlier, yes? Here is a page with instructions on how to change that secret answer: https://help.elderscrollsonline.com/#en/answer/10115

[blissful pelican]

i form ticket

thanks for support

i can log in but if i change secret question ive been asked for old and new one

and old i do no it

if there was a hint

i would know

[nocturne stone]

The support team should be able to help reset this via your ticket, I wish you the best with this!

[blissful pelican]

all my greatings to you all

you all save me from a timeline of playing

thanks

[devout glen]

Has anyone played Crusader Kings 3 mod Elder Kings?

Wish I could send a picture here but the attention to detail to bring Nirn to life is insane

[devout glen]

Sent it to #screenshots-and-video

[surreal stream]

I kinda feel like the ESO crafting style system could work pretty well in a single plauer format, without the monetisation ofc

In fact I think it makes more sense than the systems in Skyrim etc

If a nord smith learnt to forge armour with dwemer metal, it doesn't make sense that it would look exactly like dwemer- made armour

[royal zealot]

weres the Elder Scrolls Online area?

[eager remnant]

This is a Discord for the single-player Elder Scrolls games developed by Bethesda Game Studios. If you wish to dicuss Elder Scrolls Online feel free to post on ZeniMax Online Studio's forums. You can find them here: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en

[royal zealot]

ty

[hidden herald]

This place is to discuss single-player Elder Scrolls games developed by Bethesda Game Studios. Any issues involving promotions or connectivity with The Elder Scrolls Online should be sent to the official ZeniMax Online Studio's forums, since one will not be able to get in contact with the developers and customer support for ESO from here.

[frosty patrol]

I have been thinking with BGS making Creation Engine 2 and its ability to go to 1,000 planets in Starfield. I hope for ES6 we can go to other moons around Nirn, not other planets just moons. I loved how there is a floating moon in Vivec in Morrowind, no other Elder Scrolls games had something similar. I know the moon in Morrowind is another cell, but at least it was something.

[forest surge]

I believe in ESO you were able to go to Jone and Jode’s Planes.

[frosty patrol]

Who is Jone and Jode's planes. I mean technically the Oblivion planes in Oblivion are also planes or realms yes?

[forest surge]

Jone and Jode are The Khajiit Moons

[frosty patrol]

Oh, well I have no idea how ESO handles other realms or planets or traversal seamlessly.

[forest surge]

I don’t remember how it was done, I think something involving a Moon Gate

[frosty patrol]

If it is similar to going to a Oblivion plane like in Oblivion then eh.

[forest surge]

I mean I don’t see why it ultimately matters.

If anything they are Visible Planes in the Sky that can be reached through special means

[forest surge]

The Moon Rock you are referring to was said to be from the Void, which is the Unknowns if anything, so I don’t see how that’s any special

[frosty patrol]

It matters cause I want a seamless traversal, no loading screen, no cell. Just fly up from where I am to the moon or moons.

[forest surge]

Well I don’t know if you know this but it was already confirmed at some point there is a loading screen with leaving to and from the planet in Starfield.

[frosty patrol]

Yes, but right now there is also conflicting info, some are saying you can go travel all around the planet in your space ship from one end to another end without loading screens and land in any point without a set trajectory, however the spaceship auto lands apparently. Also once you get into space there is no loading screens flying around the planets engaging in spaceship combat fighting other spaceships.

[forest surge]

Well yeah you can fly above the Planet itself and dogfight I believe, it’s just when you actually have to land it will transition is what I hear.

[frosty patrol]

Anywho I don't want to argue about this over and over I want a moon I can fly up to with like a levitation spell like in Morrowind with the moon above Vivec's palace. Without a cell though. The moon in Morrowind is a 3D modeled moon too.

[forest surge]

I feel though that the Levitation spell was to Gamey as it is if you can go that high, it feels very out of place when I look at the series as a whole.

[frosty patrol]

Maybe it is my nostalgia since I played Morrowind back in 2002 when it came out, but I loved the levitation spell Morrowind has.

[forest surge]

I have no doubt Levitation exists in the series among the more Advanced Wizards, just going that high always felt off to me.

[frosty patrol]

Speaking of moons, someone recently made a mod for Morrowind that renders the 2 moons you see in the sky in 3D, with plans to make them disappear and appear behind cloud cover and how the sun light hits them and reflects. This is a pretty big achievement in modding for Morrowind and I believe it is done on regular Morrowind not OpenMW.

[forest surge]

That sounds cool

[frosty patrol]

Hopefully whatever this modder achieves. I can use a levitation spell and float up to those moons and see how they are rendered.

[short scroll]

Hlo

[feral viper]

I don't think we will ever see something like Levitating to the Moons.

For one, space in TES probably doesn't work like that.

For another, it's immensely silly.

For a third, that doesn't seem to be what Starfield does either, and we've been explicitly told that moving from space to the surface of a planet to land will not be seamless.

And finally... We don't need the extra space, really. TES is scaled to, at its smallest, 1:18,000. There's an immense amount of room to grow before something like seamless transition to other planets should even be considered.

[feral viper]

Just from a worldbuilding standpoint, gradually increasing the scale as technology allows should be the main focus in that regard, I think. There isn't a whole lot to be gained from going to a pair of maggot infested corpses anyway.

[frosty patrol]

We can already go to a moon and that is in Morrowind above Vivec. Also Elder Scrolls Battlespire are spires in the sky. In Starfield on the planet you can travel anywhere on the planet with your spaceship with no set trajectory although landing is automatic it seems. Also spaceship to spaceship combat in space and next to a planet or a moon is seamless.

[feral viper]

Baar Dau was never a Moon. It's a Moonlet, which is a fancy term for a large asteroid.

And sure. A Battlespire that needed active Portals to access, and which one person tried to fly from and was never heard from again.

We also don't actually know the size of the planet areas in Starfield.

And yes. Moving in space in Starfield does seem to be seamless (minus grav-jumps) but moving from space to Planets has been stated to not be. So it's not really the same thing.

And again... Just because Starfield does something, doesn't mean TES should do it as well. Especially when there are more valuable things to invest time in.

[feral viper]

Specifically referring to Baar Dau, the term Moonlet refers to any large body that is large enough to gravitationally effect dust and debris in its vacinity, but too small to be an actual Moon (IE being large enough to have cleared it's orbital path of objects).

These objects are uniformly too small to be spherical, which...

Is actually kinda impressive how accurate Baar Dau is to the term.

[frosty patrol]

Eh I feel like we are going to keep on going around in circles arguing about this. Anyways I hope we get some kind of travel to a moon in TES 6.

[feral viper]

Maybe not the MOON, but I've got some ideas about Moonshadow...

Even though I think the Ash Pits is probably the most appropriate Daedric Plane to explore in relation to Hammerfell.

[austere raven]

so is ESO not included in the category here?

[spare anchor]

This is a Discord for the single-player Elder Scrolls games developed by Bethesda Game Studios. ESO has their own forums. You can find them here: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en

[austere raven]

Ah OK. I'm only really here for Starfield anyway; I was just curious.

[placid copper]

so i run the game and it starts too download anniversary edition and then stops part way with a cant connect to bethesda.net

[feral viper]

I... Do not want that sort of Spell Crafting back, honestly.

With a little creativity, you can do much, much, MUCH better than resorting to what is basically just an editor spreadsheet.

I want Spell Crafting, but like many things... I'd rather it be done well, or not at all.

And Morrowind and Oblivion's Spell Crafting was not done well.

Though, if I had to pick one system between Disposition, Durability, and Spell Crafting to return... Magic is definitely at the top of that list.

It was basically the same system, just accessed through a different source.

The system it's self is the problem, not just the access mechanism though.

Yes, it was for the most part. But it was pretty boring before too.

Magic has never really been good in TES

Dare I say, it's never been ... Magical

[odd mulch]

So I have this problem with Skyrim on my steam deck. There is no dialogue options. I haven’t had this problem on my regular pc so idk if it’s a Skyrim glitch or a steam deck issue?

[nocturne stone]

Do you have any mods installed? By the way, it might be good to post this in #1087805579399004210 as well.

[odd mulch]

Ok I’ll try there and no I don’t have any mods installed yet. I do want unofficial patch on both pc and steam deck

[tardy tiger]

Magic balance has never been done well.

At least Skyrim improved on the Animation side of things.

[eager remnant]

I prefer Skyrim's magic. I could never get interested in playing a mage until Skyrim. My only real gripe is the limited number of spells.

[feral viper]

I think Skyrim does a lot to make Magic more behaviourally interesting and was generally a step in the right direction. Like most things in Skyrim really.

It just didn't go far enough in that direction for me, in many cases.

[livid ingot]

I agree on the behavior point. Like the rune "trap" spells for example. Especially if we include the Shouts. But honestly it was just merely recovering from losing many of its most interesting spells in Oblivion

Oblivion was really a low point as far as interesting spell effects are concerned. Only "saved" by spell crafting.

[feral viper]

Yeah... Oblivion suffered from Magic being an add on, and not any sort of commitment. Morrowind wasn't great, but it at least required you to put your weapons away in order to cast spells meaning you had to actively make some sort of commited decision, even if rather minor, to use magic.

Oblivion just made it so there was no situation to ever not just have a spell ready to go. Magic became a superficial, tacked on bonus and not an actual engaging dynamic.

[ivory portal]

Is there like any permanent werewolf mods on SE XB1

[feral viper]

Skyrim, then, made it a full on commitment. You have to sacrifice a hand to even use Magic. Which was a great change. As was the different mechanically different spell behaviours and dynamics.

[feral viper]

Unfortunately, I have no information to offer on that.

[ivory portal]

Already thanks for telling me tho

[nimble pond]

Hmm I wonder if I could cast magic from other body parts like my mind or feet (super leap)? Or at least give me a conjuration spell to give me like 6 arms total. I mean conjuring those daedric weapons, might as well give me magic arms too so I can duel swing like 6 daedric daggers at once. Ah heck, conjure me up some Mora tentacles too so I can melee whip chaps from afar.. and reach stuff in hard to reach places like that itchy spot on your back

[eager remnant]

Skyrim magic is more sophisticated than magic in Morrowind or Oblivion. Here are a few reasons why I think this is so (broken into parts due to length).

1. Secondary destruction effects. In Morrowind and Oblivion elemental destruction spells were interchangeable. They all did one thing only: they whittled down enemy health. Skyrim added secondary effects to the elemental destruction spells, giving us valuable additional reasons to choose one element over another. Shocks spells became very useful against mages, frost spels became very useful against fast-moving enemies, fire became very useful against enemies with high health pools.

2. New delivery options. Morrowind and Oblivion only offered touch (which never made much sense to me, as projectile spells were equally effective at close range) and projectile spells. Skyrim offered dual casting, concentration, cloak and rune spells, each offering distinct advantages in certain situations. Dual casting was essentially mini-spellmaking that could be created on the fly in the heat of battle; runes introduced a sneaky option that didn't exist before; cloak was useful against melee enemies, channeled spells introduced elemental damage-over-time (as well as the potential for area-of-effect) spells into the series for the first time.

3. Perks. Oblivion gave us a mere four perks per school. To make matters worse, every character who leveled a shcool was forced to take the same four perks whether it made any roleplaying sense or not (in this it was the same as all other perks in the game). And to make matters even worse than that the only thing that magic perks accomplished was to unlock the next level-gated tier of spells. Skyrims perks could be chosen by the player, adding a bit of customization to each character, In addition, the perks could grant extra effects such as paralysis, disintegration and stagger.

4. Sound. Skyrim introduced casting sound. This added a tactical element to combat. Sneaky mages could take a perk to eliminate casting sound, non-sneaky mages could use a casting sound to draw enemies into a rune.

5. Experience formulas. Morrowind and Oblivion only counted numbers of effective casts. This encouraged some player to cheese the system by repeatedly casting low-level spells to level up faster. The more sophisticated formulas used by Skyrim discourage meta-gaming by incorporating additional factors. We gain more destruction experience by doing more damage, gain more Alteration experience by revealing more NPCs with a Detect Life spell, ect.

These are just a few examples of the ways in which I think Skyrim improved our magic experience and why I find it more interesting than past games. Could it be improved? Absolutely. Skyrim gave us a wonderful foundation (which modders have expanded upon) but much more could have been done. This is true of all games in the series and, frankly, it is true of most video games.

[ivory portal]

Nevermind no one want us to have a permanent werewolf kinda dumb

[umbral dove]

Happy Sunday folks!

[dim reef]

what NO ESO section?

blasphemy!

[spare plaza]

It's made by a different Studio. ESO has it's forums at https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com

[grand junco]

Hey guys, what do the structures on the Isla of Balfiera look like from above? Is it a circle with two smaller one's attached like the Imperial City? Thank you.

[feral viper]

Based on the most recent depiction of it, it's basically just White Gold Tower, with fortified curtain walls sticking out of it. It's not as enclosed as the Imperial City is.

[grand junco]

Are there two connected circles like the imperial city prison and the Arcane University?

[feral viper]

Nope, just the tower and some satellite fortifications connected by the curtain walls.

[grand junco]

Thank you

[trail rock]

People still doing Multi-Boxing/Bot Accounts in ESO on Console? Or is Console and PC Cross platform now?

[eager remnant]

This is a Discord for the single-player Elder Scrolls games developed by Bethesda Game Studios. If you wish to dicuss Elder Scrolls Online feel free to post on ZeniMax Online Studio's forums. You can find them here: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en

[paper prism]

I swear, if I got a dollar for every time a member forced you guys (the mods) to paste this, I'd be so rich 😂 I feel bad for you all

[pliant anvil]

How do I submit a mod I made to the console version of Skyrim?

I created a mod for the PC version but I would like to send it to consoles, how do I send it?

[stuck minnow]

Do NOT put multiplayer in the elder scrolls 6 GOSH,thats what elder scrolls online is for yo

[forest surge]

… Why would they?

[nimble pond]

So your girlfriend/wife can be your companion in co-op 😆

[alpine citrus]

i wouldnt mind co-op in ES6 but no more multiplayer would be very optimal

[forest surge]

Co-op’s fine.

[feral viper]

If rather no multiplayer, period. But co-op is at least on the tolerable end.

[livid ingot]

What my friends and I always wanted was just a world where the three of us could run around, nobody else. Open Morrowind, TES3MP is exactly what we envisioned. TES: Online not so much.

We can do quests together, duel, or run off and do our own thing

[dull saffron]

should i get oblivion and morrowind on steam or GOG?

[livid ingot]

Doesn't matter I think. Gog usually gives you a steam key if you want

[feral viper]

Steam. But I refuse to use, or endorse the use of, GoG

[livid ingot]

What did GoG do?

[feral viper]

Jipped me $15 years ago. And I've never forgiven them.

[cosmic lance]

I just wanted PT/BR subtitles on TES Online...

[eager remnant]

This is a Discord for the single-player Elder Scrolls games developed by Bethesda Game Studios. If you wish to dicuss Elder Scrolls Online feel free to post on ZeniMax Online Studio's forums. You can find them here: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en

[native dock]

Anyone know a fix to this i finished mirrak and now I'm spawning high up in skaal village and falling to my death im on psvr so i cant open my menu (one with items, magic, ect) in mid air any fixes?

[feral viper]

Uuuh... Whirlwind Sprint and aim for the nearest water.

Depending how high up you are, you may be able to get far enough to make a wet landing.

[ancient tide]

Has anyone experienced this in ESO Necrom Chapter? https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/636814/necron-main-quest-bug-hidden-fate-reach-the-eye-of-mora-portal-to-infinite-panopticon

Im Currently stuck, and im not sure how to move on..

[livid ingot]

Do you have the Become Ethereal shout? That makes you immune to fall damage iirc

[eager remnant]

This is a Discord for the single-player Elder Scrolls games developed by Bethesda Game Studios. If you wish to dicuss Elder Scrolls Online feel free to post on ZeniMax Online Studio's forums. You can find them here: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en

[native dock]

Dragon shouts havent worked while im in falling

[native dock]

Can use shouts for some reason

[livid ingot]

Well since you're not on PC then I think the best you can do is reload an earlier save

Try #1087805579399004210 or #elder-scrolls-support someone there might be able to help

[runic umbra]

ES6 when?

[fading scroll]

Tommorow

[silver basin]

After Starfield most likely. BGS did say that they are going to be doing Starfield > ES6 > new Fallout in that order.

[feral viper]

Never.

It'll be TESVI

[livid ingot]

You mean Skyrim 2

[feral viper]

Morrowind 4

[wide garnet]

Skywind, Skyblivion, and Skyrim in one big package.

[dim reef]

I’ve been wondering this, Is Dovakhiin, Tiber Septim?

[wide garnet]

Hmmm… not likely.

[fleet vine]

ES6 will likely be out for next gen consoles, 2028 or so if Starfield is successful enough.

If not, it will be out by 2025-26

microsoft said they dont wanna release a series x "pro"

maybe thats a hint (no new TES until next xbox console release). With the exception of them losing money with Starfield.

My guess? TESVI for 2028 with the new xbox console (bundle)

In the middle, some remaster, or maybe Daggerfall remake.

[dim reef]

Well reason I asked is because dovakhiin and Tiber septim are very similar in regards to how both of their lifestyles have played out. And || shor being tiber septim || but not appearing in ||hall of valor|| is kinda sus, which is why I was wondering if dova was ||shor, since shors only ever been known to leave his throne to go possess one of the living||

[quick hull]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/949855649548894218/1140198334158606336/ezgif-2-75202e26b2.gif

Feel free to favorite

[feral viper]

The spirits in Sovengarde indicate that Shor has stepped out, as his presence is inherently dangerous to living mortals.

[sharp tapir]

Well, Tiber Septim mantled Shor, thus becoming Talos the ninth divine. Maybe that's why he's not in Sovngard?

he chillin in Aetherius

[sharp tapir]

Todd Howard hinted that we may not see Elder Scrolls 6 release until 2026 at the earliest

But that's too optimistic. I say we will see elder scrolls 6 at 2028, but full of bugs like skyrim. So elder scrolls gold age will probably be around 2030 🥲

[wide garnet]

That gif is way too fast. All I can make out of it is “Yap yap, blah blah, dribble dribble dribble in Daggerfall!”

[dusk iron]

Morrowind best main theme

[forest surge]

Best Main theme that it got rearranged into the series going forward.

[paper prism]

Sorry to butt in, I just feel like sharing my perspective. NOT trying to be rude by saying this, but BGS is not OBLIGATED to deliver a game to us within a certain time frame (unless you fund a kickstarter or something, idk). Us buying the game just means we have the right to expect it to be good quality. Not trying to make anyone upset, just trying to share viewpoints 🙂

[feral viper]

Tiber Septim MAY have Mantled Lorkhan, who is a more complete version of Shor. Or, he may have simply been granted godhood by the rest of the Divines. The actual nature of Talia's Divinity isn't entirely clear.

[sharp tapir]

Sure, bethesda doesn't own anyone anything, they could stop making games tomorrow and they don't own anyone an explanation (other than the investors as you said). Still, that's not quite the point here, just sharing our opinions as to what would be better to prioritize (as a player-consumer pov of course).

[sharp tapir]

Well yea, nothing is really said explicitely in lore, but we can build theories up with some hints the games/books/dialogues throws at us. In any case, Tiber Septim is the GOAT 💪

[feral viper]

Greatest of all Tyrants, maybe.

[sharp tapir]

If by tyrant you mean bringing a golden age to all of Tamriel thanks to unifying it under a single Empire. Then i guess so lol

[feral viper]

Yeah... It wasn't a Golden Age though. That's simply Imperial Propaganda. Neverminding that Golden Ages aren't even a thing, the Septim Empire was near constant civil war, revolts and internal strife.

I mean, hell... The Medes had almost as many years of peace as the Septims did, in less than half the reign

[sharp tapir]

You seriously not comparing the Mede dynasty with the Septim Empire

[feral viper]

Oh, yes. I am. Because both are pretty trash.

And I say that as a Empire supporter who thinks the Stormcloak are a waste of script

[sharp tapir]

Septim Empire is a million times better than the Mede Dynasty. You get bombarded by this statement all over Skyrim saying "This Empire is just a shadow of the former", and yeah Stormcloaks are just a sideshow

I have not heard a single argument nor any proof as to how would an independent Skyrim survive

Skyrim can't even grow tomatoes, if you try you can't. And this is because in lore, tomatoes come from imports from Cyrodill, since Skyrim can't grow anything really, the only hold that can grow actual decent crops is Whiterun, one out of nine holds isnt enough to feed an entire Skyrim. Skyrim needs the Empire's international business and routes, just like the East Empire Company in solitude.

Without mentioning how, in the extraordinary case (meaning that it's highly unlikely) that Ulfric wins, he'll have less than a half of soldiers to defend Skyrim from external attacks, e.g: The Empire reclaiming Skyrim from Cyrodill's borders AND High Rock's borders. Or the Aldmeri Dominion launching an invasion.

[feral viper]

Oh, don't get me wrong. The Stormcloaks are a joke.

Their entire political justification is shallow, and their revisionist view of their own traditions shows a fundamentally selective claim to historical legitimacy.

The Stormcloaks are a political, ethical, and ideological failure of a movement that is doomed to collapse under its own weight, the instant is populist leader either dies or slips up.

But the Septim Empire wasn't great either. It was near constant civil wars, revolts, and internal turmoil, barely held together by the Legions.

It's rulers were largely ineffectual, and prone to infirmity and mental instability. Which is an indication of inbreeding, normally... But based on what the Greybeards say about the fates of many other Dragonborn, it's possible this is a characteristic of the Dragonblood it's self. So the Septim family tree may be otherwise healthy, and not narrower than Hank Hill's urethra.

In the whole, the entire Septim dynasty is a slow spiral towards collapse, with only a few moments of stability under a handful of rulers. Arguably the best of which wasn't even a Septim. We're even told that, at the time of Uriel VIIs coronation, he was inheriting the strongest the Empire had been since Tiber Septim, and even then it was something of a decline from those days.

And of course, Uriel then pulled a hard Nero and ran THAT into the ground.

[forest surge]

I still think it wouldn’t be wise to ignore the overall larger issue at hand, nobody doubts they will be good games, but what happens when Bethesda decides to make another new Franchise after Starfield? Eventually that just ends up being a 20 Year wait for another entry into one of the franchises.

[forest surge]

Unfortunately my opinions on the matter were deleted, but I guess it just wasn’t appropriate enough for the channel at hand. I don’t want the devs to stretch themselves thin and not be able to deliver but there imo needs to be some type of more efficient change.

[paper prism]

I just came up with an idea XD

So, if (hopefully when) we get a game set in Black Marsh... you all know how, as of late, we've been getting at least one DLC per-game featuring a realm of Oblivion? What if, assuming the Argonian's countering the Oblivion Crisis stories are true, that DLC is about bringing home the Argonians that were raiding Oblivion and got trapped there when the gates closed?

[feral viper]

I think they know that they're pushing their size and number of franchises.

[feral viper]

You could spin a really good story about that.

Imagine a story of the separated Argonians finding their way back, and angry at the Hist who sent them to die in Oblivion

Exploring that whole event would also be a good way to really emphasise just how screwed up the Hist-Argonian relationship is.

[paper prism]

Bethesda? I'm a game design major at university (graduating this winter!) And LOVE making stories. I'd love to work for you! (Although everything I said is true, I'm joking because I know I shouldn't get my hopes up)

[feral viper]

Oh, I know what you mean. I'd work full time for Beth just writing, even at minimum wage. But I'm fully aware that's not a likely occurence.

[feral viper]

Though if I'm being honest, I could extend that offer to GW, Ubisoft, 343, Blizzard...

[tardy tiger]

Honestly I don't think any Argonians that were within the gates would've survived. As I don't see them actually surviving the Deadlands. Like sure I can see counter attacking because everyone tried it with level of success being unknown.

[feral viper]

Some survived in Cold harbour, an equally hostile environment.

It's entirely possible anyone cut off would be seized and enslaved by the Dremora, for one reason or another. Or they managed to hide on the fringes of the Deadlands, since Princes aren't omniscient.

Or they could have escaped through other gateways into other planes.

[tardy tiger]

Well given how the Deadlands is I don't think the Dagonites are one for slaves. New "material" sure but not slaves given how much flesh is used in the punished and the tower part with the sigil stone.

[paper prism]

I just came up with an idea... I want to hear if any of you have your own version of "Absurd Trolley Problems" but set in the world of TES

[dusk iron]

hopefully I will be alive when the best game of all time tes6 comes out

starfield is cool but tes6 will be masterpiece

[feral viper]

You either let the trolley go, and continue perpetuating suffering indefinitely as the Kalpa slowly rots.

Or you pull the lever and the Thalmor win, unmaking reality and freeing every trapped spirit and ending suffering forever, but every human has to be exterminated first.

[tight compass]

New to Bethesda games and want to start playing elder Scrolls which one should i play first 😅

[paper prism]

Depends... are you a casual gamer? In that case, Skyrim... Do you want the true, immersive, RPG experience? Morrowind is what I'd suggest. If you want to get the full scope, like me, I'd say Arena (be warned, the controls are outdated, but there are mods)

[dusk iron]

skyrim perfect

my first bgs game

[sharp tapir]

You can start off by playin Skyrim if you're worried about outdated graphics and want the newest Elder Scrolls rpg. If you want more lore i'd suggest start with Morrowind as it has LOTS of lore ( i think it's the game with most lore) and then make your way up to oblivion and finish with Skyrim. I wouldn't suggest Arena nor Daggerfall, unless you don't mind the very old controls and graphics, otherwise, I'd advice you just watch a youtube video that summarizes the lore story if you care about those things.

[feral viper]

Daggerfall is better than Arena in basically every way. Though difficult to get into today.

Of the 5... Oblivion and Arena can be safely skipped, Morrowind and Daggerfall are IMO the best, but Skyrim is the most playable

[sharp tapir]

But ironically, Dagerfall is the worst selling Elder Scrolls game of the saga

[feral viper]

And the first in a... Not great time for Bethesda.

Daggerfall underperformed. Battlespire flopped. Redguard flopped.

Then Morrowind rolls in, and puts them on the map.

[forest surge]

I wouldn’t recommend skipping Oblivion personally, as I feel it’s events are still to important to the events leading into Skyrim at large history wise.

I didn’t even like skipping Morrowind but I had to do to it’s age.

[tardy tiger]

TES stories tend to be self contained in that you really can miss the others story wise and not have any issues

[forest surge]

It’s not so much self contained that is the issue, but it also comes down to the fact that you’ll catch onto things if you played older games in a series, where something is referenced like The Side Quest regarding the Mythic Dawn in Skyrim with that Dark Elf.

Which is something only Oblivion Players would have immediately caught onto because they are part of the main quest in Oblivion.

[dusk iron]

is arena really playable in 2023

these graphics looks impossible to play

[tardy tiger]

I think it's free on steam? But I cannot remember

Yup it's free on steam

[dusk iron]

thats good

[forest surge]

Which to this day not being able to play Morrowind due to it’s age has robbed me of catching onto references regarding Morrowind in games after it and especially ESO where it’s given obvious references and attention towards.

[forest surge]

If you can play a game and find it enjoyable then play it, but if you can’t get into it that’s alright, I just like to avoid telling people to skip a game cause of potential references to past games that may pop up, which imo rewards you in that instance for knowing your history. XD

[dusk iron]

I finished main skyrim questline like after playing for 400 hours lol

side quests were more intersting like war quests dark brotherhood that magic college thieves guild etc

thats really crazy how bethesda do this

[forest surge]

That’s usually how it is with a lot of games for me, the Side Quests are my full attention and main quest is saved for last.

[dusk iron]

game kept suprising me with side quests

how fun they are

[forest surge]

Elder Scrolls for me is so satisfying because while the stories are self contained they contain references to many individuals you may have met in past games.

[dusk iron]

expect these repeatitve go to dungeon and kill someone miniquests

[forest surge]

Not a fan of Radiant questlines myself

[dusk iron]

yeah I love elder scrolls franchise for this

you make your own story

own experience

[forest surge]

The Elder Scrolls themselves are the Games in a meta sense, they look through all possibilities and the players are playing those possibilities.

[dusk iron]

I agree

they think about everything

cant even imagine tes6 in todays gaming when older games were ahead of time

skyrim is still more impresive than new games

[forest surge]

Well that would be because Bethesda games are full of items and detail throughout the whole world.

There’s just a lot of things they do in general that many cannot replicate to the extent they do in Open World RPGS.

[dusk iron]

feel like only bethesda can make amazing open world game

most open world games are empty

boring and repeatitve

look ubisoft

[forest surge]

I mean the Ubi Games are entertaining in there own right but they focus to much on collectibility in there games to make content at times, it’s always the quests themselves for the Ubi Games that are enjoyable.

Not only that but they tend to focus on “Being bigger is better” Which imo isn’t the right mindset to have.

Elden Ring is a huge game and while enjoyable, it get’s tiring to go through all at once.

[forest surge]

This really applies more in the sense of Collectibles really.

[dusk iron]

I do like elden ring but idk

its one time experience

once you find everything there is nothing to do after

[forest surge]

Yeah, which is odd to think about, it’s the one souls game that has a post game.

Usually it’s “Find everything and once you beat the boss that’s it.”

[dusk iron]

yeah I got everything I have all achievements

and thats it

I got all achievements in skyrim too but I still come back

[forest surge]

I like Ubi Games still but imo they need to trim the fat off of there open world games and stop focusing on needing to be bigger to be considered better.

[dusk iron]

they ruined all their franchises because of this

far cry assasin creed

watch dogs rainbow six

old games from these seires were great

[forest surge]

It’s not just that but they focus to much on similar formula’s, the whole “climb up high and view the world to see all colelctibles in a given area.”

They stuck to much to a formula and it’s why many people stopped bothering with them.

[dusk iron]

yeah and its always so empty

quests are repeatitive

greedy company

[forest surge]

Only if your doing radiant stuff

They have a bunch of radiant quests outside side quests and main ones, I tend to avoid radiant ones for obvious reasons.

[dusk iron]

they are boring ofc

[forest surge]

When I played the actual stuff it was fun.

[forest surge]

Yeah, which is why I didn’t play them in Skyrim or Fallout 4, I dislike radiant quests.

[dusk iron]

there isnt that many there

it helps you only find new cave

but I avoid them

there is more better side quests

dont even need to worry tes6 will def have amazing side quests

[forest surge]

The point is that Ubi Games are enjoyable side quest wise and main quests wise, after AC Origins it just got worse with needing to add more needless stuff

[dusk iron]

todd didnt lie when he said skyrim has infinitve quests

ac mirage could be good from what I heard

[forest surge]

Well it’s cutting down on being a Super Massive Open world and won’t have microtransactions.

[dusk iron]

its promising

finally ubi

they decided to change boring formula

if only they didnt mess up with far cry 6

[forest surge]

I’m still wondering what boring formula exactly?

[dusk iron]

massive empty open world game

I heard mirage wont be that big

and microtransactions they are so annoying

[forest surge]

It won’t, the issue for AC was that it went to big and just led to needing to fill out the maps, microtransactions are a separate issue but my main concern is that bigger maps just led to needing to find someway to fill them out.

It’s why I keep saying I dislike the mentality of “Bigger is better.”

[feral viper]

Indeed.

Bigger is meaningless if you don't have anything to put in it.

[dusk iron]

good bgs games arent like that

[feral viper]

Yet

We will see with Starfield.

[forest surge]

1000 Planets is just radiant stuff ultimately but that won’t make the crux of starfields appeal hopefully.

It’s the handcrafted stuff that has my attention

[dusk iron]

I dont think 1000 planets thing will make game bad

[feral viper]

Nor do I ... But in that context I LIKE that sort of space exploration game

[dusk iron]

its realistc if they are empty and dead planets

not all planets are alive

[feral viper]

It sorta scratches the same itch as Minecraft or Astroneer.

[forest surge]

Reminder that Elden Ring went big and while it was enjoyable it got exhausting.

[dusk iron]

elden ring endgame only

snow area felt so rushed

[feral viper]

In fact... Controversial opinion, but I absolutely loved the Mako and exploring planets in ME1

[dusk iron]

atlus platou was peak

we already know there will be planets with lot stuff to do in starfield

neon new atlantis akila city

cydonia

[forest surge]

Handcrafted Ones are my only care honestly, btw Starfield Website got a lore dump today.

[dusk iron]

there is a mine on mars

and new atlantis will be bgs biggest town

[feral viper]

I think there's definitely room for both hand crafting and procedural generation in games, but different games require a different ballance.

[dusk iron]

and neon looks very cool

i cant wait to visit there

[feral viper]

A NASA-Punk space exploration game like Starfield is going to have a lot more room for large areas of procedural generation than a more localised Fantasy kingdom, for instance.

Ahem. Wrong uuuh... Wrong game there...

[dusk iron]

there will

didnt they confirm new atlantis is their biggest city ever they made

cant wait to see that

[forest surge]

Wait what? Localized Fantasy Kingdom?

[feral viper]

TES

[dusk iron]

"In Starfield, New Atlantis is the capital city of the United Colonies, found on the Starfield planet of Jemison in the Alpha Centauri system. Space exploration group Constellation is also based in New Atlantis. It is the largest city Bethesda has ever built for one of its games."

[feral viper]

Trying to keep things circling back on topic, before the Mods do a purge. Ya know?

[dusk iron]

yes

The Elder Scrolls VI: Hammerfell

might be best game of all time

[forest surge]

The Elder Scrolls VI: Elsweyr, I wish…

[dusk iron]

what would be difference

[forest surge]

Ones are Kitty’s the others are men

[dusk iron]

oh that would be fun

map with only khajiits

[feral viper]

Kitties are the best choice, yes. Buuut...

[dusk iron]

I wish I could travel there once

but hammerfell is bigger so they will obv make hammerfell

[feral viper]

You'd basically corner the Furry market

Size is irrelevant when you're dealing with such heavily scaled areas.

[dusk iron]

nobody waiting 15 years for small map

[forest surge]

I think I just grow tired of the avoidance of anything other than Human’s in Elder Scrolls, which was Oblivion, Skyrim, and if Hammerfell is next would be strike 3. XD

[feral viper]

Even at the smallest, Skyrim is 1:40,000 or something.

At its largest size estimate (about the size of Kazakhstan) it's about 1:430,000

[dusk iron]

we need kittens

[forest surge]

The only real Elf Centered Province so far was Morrowind, and that wasn’t even all of Morrowind.

[dusk iron]

furry country

[feral viper]

I think there's an internal concern regarding non-human provinces, by and large...

[dusk iron]

I feel like they will rather make hammerfell

maybe The Elder Scrolls VII: Elsweyr in 30 years

[feral viper]

For one, they've invested a lot of narrative effort in the 'Elves are the bad guys' thing.

[forest surge]

This still depends on the length of time between V and VI

[dusk iron]

my guess 2028

they havent started working on game yet they are focused on starfield

[feral viper]

For another, they've doubled down on simplistic cultural depictions for Human territories, which make for easier cultural tropes, but they probably couldn't few away with that elsewhere.

[forest surge]

No as in in Game History time

[dusk iron]

so they need like 3-5 years to make game

and tes6 has to be huge

[feral viper]

And for three... Non-Human provinces are geographically the most diverse, distinct and strange.

[forest surge]

Like the year is 4E Year 201

[dusk iron]

skyrim was full of racists lmao

to elves

[feral viper]

Hammerfell is the most 'strange' human province, so they may use it to try and test the waters of going weird again.

[forest surge]

I mean… I think there being more hate of Elves after The Great War was bound to happen.

[feral viper]

And it goes out of its way to make that racism justified.

Literally making the most prevelent Elven group in the game into the SS

[dusk iron]

I sided with emperial for this

[forest surge]

I mean we already got Spiritual Sword Shown off in ESO with Sai Sahan.

[feral viper]

I think Hammerfell COULD be a really interesting setting, with really interesting stories.

And it could serve as a good backdrop for increasing tensions with the Dominion, rather than having to jump right into resolving that.

[dusk iron]

who lives in hammerfell

[feral viper]

Because a Cold War is a far more interesting geopolitical backdrop than just resolving it off screen.

[dusk iron]

skyrim belongs to nords!!! I was nord and sided with emerial

[feral viper]

The Redguard mostly. Also some Orcs, Goblins, Harpies, Imperials near the border... I believe there are some Lamia clans along the coast as well.

It's dominant population is the Redguard though. Which... Brings with it it's own problems these days.

[dusk iron]

tes6 will probably be my most anpiaced game of all time

[feral viper]

Nah

[dusk iron]

anticipated

[feral viper]

Half-Life 3

[dusk iron]

thats def never coming out

valve hates number 3

[feral viper]

I said that... And then Alyx came out.

[dusk iron]

half life 3 portal 3 team fortres 3 left 4 dead 3

[feral viper]

Literally getting them out of the corner they wrote themselves into.

[forest surge]

Well it is the location the Legions sent to Hammerfell where they actually beat the Dominion back.

[dusk iron]

cs2 now exists so no cs3

I wanna visit khajiits land

they are so funny

when they talk in 3rd person

[feral viper]

Sort of. The legions were ultimately pulled out of Hammerfell, to fight in the Red Ring. General Decianus discharged some of the soldiers for 'injuries', and they served as the core of the local resistance army that pushed the Dominik back across the Alik'r

[feral viper]

In public. They typically reserve first person interactions for family and intimate relationships..

[dusk iron]

they are good in pickpocekting, sneaking/stealh, agillity and they are drug dealers funniest race in series

[forest surge]

Regardless it’s definitely the Night of Green something as well.

[feral viper]

Yeah. There's a lot of tension to play off with the Dominion there. But the Empire isn't officially in Hammerfell either, so it's a way to play the geopolitixs without putting them directly against eachother.

[dusk iron]

I remember when khajiit tried to sell me skooma

[feral viper]

Using Hammerfell as a proxy as each plays the political game in the nation.

[dusk iron]

and then attacked me after I didnt buy anything

[forest surge]

Redguards are in the same camp as the Nords and Imperials these days with disliking the Dominion.

If there was an Elder Scrolls VII i wouldn’t mind if the Thalmor issue ended there

[feral viper]

I'm more long term...

[dusk iron]

elder scrolls world is one of the greatest worlds ever fr and lore

[forest surge]

I am to but I think with how long the wait has been, it’s so annoying that a storyline has yet to be resolved in the long term if you understand what I’m saying.

[feral viper]

If put Hammerfell at VI, Elsweyr at VII, Valenwood at VIII, and Summerset (and the end of the Dominion) at IX

And then use Blackmarsh to set the stage for the new 'Arc' of the world's story.

[forest surge]

Arena to Oblivion was about the Decline of The 3rd Empire.

[feral viper]

I through IV were about the fall of the Septim Dynasty. V through IX would be the rise and fall of the Dominion.

[dusk iron]

Have you seen those warriors from Hammerfell? They have curved swords

[forest surge]

Yes I see them in ESO all the time. XD

[dusk iron]

we wont be alive when VII comes out

[feral viper]

I'd end TES IX with the dissolution of the Empire as well, and the establishment of a Republic.

[dusk iron]

do you think VI is in 2026

or 2028

[feral viper]

That may be the target. But I think 27 or 28 is more likely

[forest surge]

If the Empire does end, because when you think an Empire is over, it’s never truly over.

[feral viper]

That's why I say a transition.

[dusk iron]

skyrim guards are so suprised warriors from hammerfell got curved swords

will we find out who won in civil war in VI

[feral viper]

So there's some sense of political continuity, but enough reforms that what comes out the other side is more 'Empire in name Only'

[feral viper]

Most likely, it will be left ambiguous until such a time as it no longer matters

[dusk iron]

when they say in VI You see those guards from Skyrim? They’ve got straight swords

Ulfric is stupid

no way he won

[forest surge]

The Empire has always felt Pro Imperial and Humans as a whole so I can see how it would eventually just be replaced.

[dusk iron]

maybe warriors will talk about civil war

in VI

so what they will just kick all elves khajiits

[forest surge]

Btw yeah I agree that Redguards are definitely the weirdest bunch when it comes to humans.

[dusk iron]

skyirm belongs to nords

bro

IX never coming

we wont be alive

[feral viper]

Mostly because, while they probably have the same ultimate origins, they developed independent from the Atmoran cousins for literally thousands of years.

Imperials, Bretons, Nords, Nedes... All other Human groups we've seen come from Atmoran cultural descent. Except the Redguard.

[dusk iron]

and VI is todds last tes game😢