#fallout-general-chat

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umbral sable
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All it does is let you craft 3 new types of nuka colas that are basically performance boosting chems. You can still find some in the game without the perk, but they’re rare

granite charm
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im sure this has been done but ive genuinely found my favourite build for fnv, i usually use a cowboy build without focusing on vats but on this one i took every single vats perk and every crit perk and i basically have inf ap and do crazy damage 😭

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i can reload lucky twice in vats

granite charm
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im thinking about changing traits to get even more ap

warm locust
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W night

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Crap I don't got media perms

cerulean roost
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hola

flat jetty
little seal
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I'm so nostalgic for the gothic decay and Art Deco vibes Fo3 and Dead Money had I hope Bethesda brings that back in future Fallout games

quasi sentinel
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Why no NV chat??

wanton fjord
quasi sentinel
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Ah… makes sense. Thanks

wanton fjord
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Everyone discusses it here in this chat

little seal
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It’s the same on why they ain’t no eso chat

dry current
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x02 kinda looks like that one robot from reel steel

dry current
uneven ingot
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I’d watch a movie called Reel Steel. Instead of a robot boxing competition it’d be about a robot fishing competition

mossy bolt
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somehow I found a IRL wakemaster, at least its the same shape as one

umbral sable
vital glen
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guys my fallout 4 wont load up😭 im playing on xbox and im worried that its unplayable now.

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I cant lose all my 23 suits of power armor

little seal
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has there been any official word on Bethesda's plan for the future art direction of the fallout series going forward?

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I'm asking cause personally I'm hoping they return to a blend of what Fo3 and New Vegas where. with retro-futuristic 50's Americana stuff being mixed with a nice strong blend of industrial and gothic art deco stuff for its architecture and retaining a moody and sometimes eerie atmosphere

flat jetty
tribal rampart
umbral sable
vital glen
flat jetty
umbral sable
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90% of all tech related issues can be solved by the hard reset

short basin
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My lads I after all these months finally got a variety pack of the jones soda fallout collab drinks

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I’d say it’s well worth the wait

uneven ingot
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My dad got me a pack of Sunset Sarsaparilla as a gift. They’re chilling up in the fridge right now

umbral sable
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i liked the way the quantum looks but that and the grape just kinda tasted bad imo

twilit parrot
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wait wouldnt that be a choice that you would have to make, that would have lasting implications for your playthrough?

bgs: we cant have that

twin nymph
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For Fallout London, Anyone know if they ever made a Automatic junk scrapper mod like they did for Fallout 4?

little seal
# umbral sable given the pattern of 76 and the series id imagine the opposite is true

that's a shame because the pure oversaturated soft and bright look of FO4 and 76 always felt to shallow and lighthearted for a fallout game it lacked the immersive apocalyptic atmosphere of older games with the exception of Far Harbor and Burning Springs. The art direction really needs some spice added to it. The Retro-Future stuff is undoubtedly a core ascetic of fallout but it needs to be balanced out with the grit and grime of darker atmospheric tones that really convey the despair of the post apocalyptic wasteland while reminiscing of the old world prosperity.

uneven ingot
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Too bad like 85% of the time it’s either too dark or too bright

sterile sage
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hello everyone

fallow panther
fallow panther
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I also loved the vibe of diamond city, but i think it needed to be a bit larger.

potent flume
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It's within the confines of a baseball stadium.

fallow panther
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yeah sure, I realize that.

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the physical footprint of the stadium when outside it in world is larger than the version which is loaded in when you enter it btw.

potent flume
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I'd imagine Diamond City, if it existed in real life, would certainly be bigger than it is in-game, keeping in mind the games are not 1:1 scale.

dusty walrus
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I hope there will be npc kill animations based on the skill of the character in fo5

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With maxed out stealth you break someone's neck from behind (unarmed)

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With maxed out strength you hold enemies by their necks and break them

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And i hope there wont be repeated gun animations

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🙄

fallow panther
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I think your expectations may be met with dissapointment.

potent flume
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I mean... that's several years away. Anything is possible. We don't yet even know what engine they're going to use for it.

torn ore
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Melee in general is sad and boring in fallout 4

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3 or 4 different moves that you repeat ad nauseum and thats it

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I hope 5 gives us something like dying light melee, or at least dead island melee

dusty walrus
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as if there is no such melee weapons in fallout 4...

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tbh melee gameplay does suck in fallout 4

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Parry hit parry hit hit parry and it takes hours on enemies that dont die easily

little seal
# fallow panther i respect your opinion. Personally, I agree on 76, but F04 felt "just right" to ...

I agree its not the level of physical building destruction that bothers me thoe in 4 and or 76 its more so the almost cheery like weather and ambient music, I prefer the polluted eerie atmosphere an ambiance of fallout 3 and the brown filter of New Vegas, The ambient music for both older games was also a lot more subtle and quiter often allowing for ambient wasteland sounds to be more audible while building up a sense of despair and or desperation as opposed to FO4 ambient music which always tries to do an epic orchestral thing like its trying to constantly hype you up for every little thing. Ive played vanilla Fallout 4 with some classic fallout ENB and ambiance mods that make a huge difference and make it feel like classic fallout with minimal change. Its less of the physical map and architecture that's wrong with 4 and more so the actual lighting/weather along with some of the ambiance make it feel to upbeat and less gritty

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its honestly crazy how a simple ENB and wasteland ambiance/music mod can make FO4 feel like an entirely different game more akin to the classic fallout

ebon terrace
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since there is a prolific deathclaw race in post war america, i'm surprise if there is a possible variant or strain where these mutants evolved into lizard people, loose some of their feral traits but is very aggressive like angry lizard cave men

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but it could also be a very isolationist lizard people society as urban myth told by the local wastelanders

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unless is actually just another enclave failed experiment for super soldiers after the wipe out of the talking deathclaws from vault 13

fallow panther
# little seal I agree its not the level of physical building destruction that bothers me thoe ...

Generally I think we agree. Although, I really dislike using any mods that change atmosphere etc. i think the most i did that way was adding dynamic weather that afaik uses normal weather but allows you to adjust it to be more frequent/varied etc. I found that made it feel more "wasteland" like, more rad storms etc. I respectfully disagree about new vegas, i often feel as if im playing a western rather than any sort of post-apocalyptic setting, but thats just my opinion.

Hot-take but as someone who built a few maps for Halo CE back in the day (custom of course) New Vegas feels like you're still half in the world editor like it's just a big sandbox with assets dropped in. I don't really want to debate about new vegas though, i know how heated that kind of conversation gets, just dropping my 2 cents on my personal thoughts.

ebon terrace
# ebon terrace i always wondered why there is a huge hate for having possible humanoid deathcla...

I'm not suggesting cute, adult-modded anthro deathclaws in japan maid costume (like an argonian maid). All I'm saying: take Fallout 2's Talking Deathclaws (canon since 1998, created by John Deiley) and push them further with FEV, exactly as their creator intended. FEV is a virus that forces adaptation to the environment (we see it on super mutants who continue to grow and mutate). A rare strain of intelligent deathclaws that have lived for generations in human ruins (cities, vaults, areas with pre-war tech) must evolve to survive: a more upright posture to use objects, more agile hands, and language to intimidate or negotiate. It's not "I want a waifu lizard." It's biology since FEV is changing them because the human environment forces them to adapt.

fallow panther
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those in the #fallout-lore chat can speak more conclusively, but I understand that deathclaws were not the result of FEV, instead they were genetically engineered by the US government BEFORE the bombs dropped, this is re-inforced in the fallout TV show.

I do understand that the master and others experimented with using FEV on deathclaws post-war. Just remember this is a creature genetically engineered to kill and it's features were carefully selected by humans, not any evolutionary process. they are a "Designed" species. Intelligent deathclaws exist, I'll acknowledge that for sure. I just don't see bethesda changing them anytime soon, they're currently their popular "big bad" that symbolize the series to newcomers.

little seal
fallow panther
little seal
fallow panther
ebon terrace
lone furnace
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Please do not discuss rumors, leaks, or misinformation as it is againt the #rules

fallow panther
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i think the last time i checked steam charts db, new vegas is the most played fallout currently.

little seal
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wouldn't surprise me it has a HUGE cult fallowing and is praised seemingly everywhere you look by both old and new fans

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that and its massive modding community prolly help

fallow panther
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eh crap i think im wrong. Just checked charts and looks like fallout 4 is ahead of NV now. my bad. Maybe i was thinking sales

little seal
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That also wouldn't surprise me, as 4 is the latest game in the main series, and with the TV show bringing in millions of new fans, most will probably default to the newest game in the series as their first pick simply because it's the newest and has the most up-to-date gameplay and graphics... that and Fo4 marked the beginning of the franchise fully entering the mainstream, along with that and the initial hype surrounding it on its release; it probably has the highest sales and player count of all the games simply due to those factors alone.

potent flume
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On Steam, FNV peaked at 45K players in April 2024, and about 28K in February this year. Else it's maintained 5-10K.

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FO4's numbers are certainly much higher.

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76 is maintaining 10-20K.

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Those figures are Steam only.

flat jetty
potent flume
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Multiple endings for replayability, and modding certainly help.

flat jetty
torn ore
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Thanks god you can just add like 300 weapon to the game, dozens of monsters and have fun liek that

flat jetty
torn ore
flat jetty
torn ore
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I still don't know what the motivations of the institute are

flat jetty
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I'm on my 4th fallout new vegas playthrough. Made a rule where I can't use commands, but can use mods

fallow panther
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i think ive used console commands maybe twice over the course of 10 years, with multiple playthroughs of f3,f4 & nv. I do have lots of mods on second playthroughs though.

flat jetty
fallow panther
flat jetty
fallow panther
flat jetty
fallow panther
little seal
# torn ore Your son being an old man and the leader of the bad guys was good enough imo. Bu...

tbh I would of preferred if the player characters wasn't voice acted and had their past left somewhat ambiguous... don't get me wrong the voice actors for Nora and Nate are top tier voice actors but just having the player character be given a canonic face, voice, and backstory takes away from the role playing and character creation elements fallout is best known for... FO4 gave off the impression that more effort was being put into new mechanics like base building and gunplay over the story and writing it also was clearly being used as a testing ground for new ideas and concepts Bethesda was trying

torn ore
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I mean, the writing talent. The actors did their best with what they got

little seal
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that and FO4's dialogue felt to linear

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FO4 peaks in gunplay and action.

FO3 peaks in its atmosphere and art direction.

FNV peaks in its writing and world building.

with these takeaways Bethesda has the base ingredients to make an amazing Fallout game if they study what each game did and didn't do well in. Then Fallout 5 has the potential to be the best game of the series.

torn ore
little seal
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it wasn't just a loss for Bethesda it was a loss for the industry and community as whole honestly even his work for Skyrim and Oblivion and inadvertently Fallout New Vegas is Iconic

muted pasture
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is there one for fallout shelter?

rare escarp
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When is the update for mod storage increase gonn come out

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There hasn’t been any update on it and Bethesda you have time to pump out the paid creations but no time to update on the mod storage increase for consoles

stone otter
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Yo i'm looking for fallout 76 players from PlayStation DMS me if someones interested

stone otter
amber plinth
stone otter
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Yeeah now I see it
Its been a while since I joined here and I dont use this server actually lol

flat siren
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I’m still not getting how fallout 76 hasn’t got a Xbox series X|S 60 fps 120fps I think the ps5 doesn’t have that either it’s the last game title they need to do correct? After get a certain amount of the fallout staff make fallout 5 your fan wants answers including myself.

potent flume
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It was announced on the Fallout Day stream last year.

uneven ingot
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iirc the timeline they gave when they made that announcement was early 2026. Haven’t said anything about it since afaik

flat jetty
narrow perch
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Have we all given up on expectations of an announcement anytime soon? I have.

proven notch
flat jetty
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I'm bored, so here's my favourite places out of the fallout games I've played.

  1. Freeside (fnv)
  2. Goodneighbor (f4)
  3. Megaton (after you nuke it) (f3)
  4. The wayward (f76)
fallow panther
flat jetty
fallow panther
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I'm assuming that wasn't a ranked list, here's my shot

  1. The Strip (NV)
  2. **F4 **i can't think of just one place, the whole map is peak imo
  3. Little Lamplight (Tenpenny tower a close second) F3
  4. Watoga (F76)
flat jetty
dusty walrus
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Goodneighbour was less lively and less ghetto

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Melee is awful in fo4

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Most locations in fo4 are cool but i hate mazes and labyrinths in each warehouse/abandoned facility

lone crypt
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Here are a few of my favorite Fallout locaqtions:

Boston - Fallout 4
Rivet City -Fallout 3
Megaton (intact) -Fallout 3
Oasis - Fallout 3
New Reno - Fallout 2
Alpine Lake - Fallout 76
Diamond City - Fallout 4
The Boneyard - Fallout 1

flat jetty
crude parcel
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Defending my home

sudden nova
dawn halo
fallow panther
dawn halo
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eh for me more so the quests/story that comes with it and what goodneighbor is all about. but in terms of just layout other areas would make it seem underwhelming i guess

fallow panther
dawn halo
fallow panther
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I kinda thought oh so hancock can just blast away dude he doesnt like no problem but I can't do the same to hancock.. dudes a savage!

dawn halo
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aw how come he got on your nerves lol?

fallow panther
# dawn halo aw how come he got on your nerves lol?

just kinda seemed like a crappy mayor & that intro bothered me. Interestingly:

Cut dialogue lines from the first encounter with Finn mention Hancock as being deceased, indicating that at some point in development, Hancock would have been able to be killed.

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likely unfinished content that got scrapped for release. I imagine there was a bigger plot of humans vs ghouls, siding with the ghoul or human(finn). That could have been... pretty juicy! imagine the options it would add for the side-quests that spur from that. Come to think of it, this means we missed out on a whole companion too.

dawn halo
dawn halo
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i never knew about the cut dialogue that’s actually very interesting

edgy barn
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This channel needs to be active more

flat jetty
dawn halo
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the community is shown so well in goodneighbor like through how maccready and daisy interact i feel like

surreal veldt
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Can anybody tell me what the best Melee weapon is in fallout 4

uneven ingot
surreal veldt
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I kinda killed the children of Atom..

fallow panther
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fists & grognak outfit VaultBoySunglasses

torn ore
fallow panther
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man i loved my rocket bat.

west tapir
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how does one get the enclave role?

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or any faction role tbh

west tapir
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thanks choom

edgy barn
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Cool

fallow panther
surreal veldt
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Also guys is t 45 good? Cuz it my fav

torn ore
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No it isn't lol, its ho is so low it will break all the time

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At least it's very cheap to repair but thats all it has

surreal veldt
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I got t 45 on model f

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And I used the armor plating on it

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Plus I also use 2076 series world bat

twin nymph
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Fallout London is so much more fun with the industrial salvager

surreal veldt
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Ok guys I’m really new to fallout 4 but what’s the best melee and gun to use 🙂

sterile sage
surreal veldt
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Just normal

sterile sage
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so nothing like spray n pray?

surreal veldt
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Just regular guns without legendary effects

sterile sage
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id say gatling laser is pretty good

surreal veldt
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Ok I know I’m a pain

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But is the 10 millimetre good?

sterile sage
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as a starting weapon yes but it starts to get outclassed by other weapons pretty early into the game

surreal veldt
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What’s the best companion is in ur opinion

sterile sage
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curie maybe

surreal veldt
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Mines mcready

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I use t 45f power armor it my favourite:-))))

sterile sage
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i use t60

surreal veldt
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Nice

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Do you play on PlayStation 4?

sterile sage
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Yea

surreal veldt
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How rare is a chameleon deathclaw?

flat jetty
surreal veldt
flat jetty
surreal veldt
flat jetty
surreal veldt
twin nymph
flat jetty
twin nymph
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Beef up your explosion damage and you'll practicly be firing micro granades in bullet form

twin nymph
flat jetty
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Wait maybe someone took it.

twin nymph
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You could also just use Jamanthi, or Chrysanthemum

flat jetty
twin nymph
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Jamanthian The Conqueror of VAULTS!

modest grove
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Damm still no 100GB mod update

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How long that been now since they said about it

grizzled rain
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Anyone know how to add the skip sierra madre dlc mod to new vegas

surreal iron
modest grove
surreal iron
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Said we had to wait till this year. Nd still havent got nun

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In February said they was gonna give us more info in the coming weeks its been 2 months

vital glen
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guys give me a random magazine form fallout 4 and ill find it (No dlc magazines)

grand cedar
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When is the 100gb mod update coming?

surreal veldt
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Wait so your saying t 45 is bad?

uneven ingot
surreal veldt
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My t 45 is model f

uneven ingot
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and even fully upgraded it is only slightly better than mid-grade T-60

surreal veldt
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I’m using it rn in far harbour

uneven ingot
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it's not bad if you don't have anything else. it just breaks faster and protects less than later models

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personally i'm a fan of T-51. i'm a sucker for the classics

surreal veldt
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But I like it because it looks tanky but I know it’s crappy tho but I like it in my opinion

uneven ingot
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100% wear what you like and make it work

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I run around in MacCready's duster and VATS my way through

surreal veldt
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Thanks for being positive and thanks for the tips really appreciated

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Wait you use Macreadys clothing?

uneven ingot
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yep. you can apply ballistic weave to it increase its stats

surreal veldt
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I use the vault suit and pop some leather armor on

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I upgrade the vault suit and the leather armor stuff Dw

uneven ingot
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leather's great. i especially like the sturdy and heavy versions you start finding at later levels

surreal veldt
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I’m level 83

uneven ingot
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nice! i'm lvl 1400 on 76 lol

surreal veldt
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Don’t take offence or anything but I’m gonna say no life lol

uneven ingot
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it's much easier to stack exp buffs there. and they added an end-game raid which gives a TON of exp so levels are kind of meaningless there

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life in 76 is great ngl

surreal veldt
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I have every power armor all the way to x-02

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And I have the sugar bomb vim abraxo and nuka cola

uneven ingot
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those ones are awesome

surreal veldt
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I have all dlc except for anniversary edition

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I’m not spending 100 bucks for a flipping dlc that does bog all

surreal veldt
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How do I put image ij

uneven ingot
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it's a mix match of different raider pa parts in 76. most of it I got for free. only paid part was the helmet and left shoulder

surreal veldt
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Bro the raider power armor looks wayyyy beter then fallout 4d one

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S rhat how u do it

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Yes I play on PlayStation..

uneven ingot
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right click, copy image, then paste where you want it

surreal veldt
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I’m mobile sorry

uneven ingot
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ah then idk then

surreal veldt
uneven ingot
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try holding down, share, then copy link

uneven ingot
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needs some drip. try finding some paints for it

surreal veldt
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I’m using titanium plating

uneven ingot
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i think there's magazines that lets you apply a paint job

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without sacrificing stats

surreal veldt
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I got all 3 lemme go do that I will message here in a bit

uneven ingot
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i may be confusing it was 76's power armor crafting system

surreal veldt
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Fallout shelter was my first game now it’s fallout 4 i want new Vegas and fallout 3 bad

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I’ll be right back just putting some drip on it

uneven ingot
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Very cool! The shark paint is one of my favorites

surreal veldt
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Same ngl

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I think it took me about two weeks to get all of the armor

uneven ingot
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For future reference, be sure not to overdo it with the pictures. Mods don’t like it when you do that too much.

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use this great power sparingly

uneven ingot
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Nah they’ll just delete the posts if screenshots leak too much out of the screenshots channel

surreal veldt
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Oh ok

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Rn I’m just tryna get steel for my power plant I’m building in sanctuary

uneven ingot
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A great way to do that is to grab as many guns from dead enemies as you can carry, bring them all to a settlement and drop them on the ground

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Then go to build mode and scrap them one by one. Be sure to have scrapper equipped

surreal veldt
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I know it will reduce the build limit

uneven ingot
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That’s also a bonus benefit

surreal veldt
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Is scrapper a perk?

uneven ingot
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Yeah. My bad. In 76 you equip perks lol

surreal veldt
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YOU CAN?

uneven ingot
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Yep. You can only have so many perks active at one time so you can’t go god mode at later levels

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But what perks you do have lets you do some wacky stuff with it. I have a Guass shotgun that does 35k dmg on a VATS critical

surreal veldt
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That would be unfair to other players but my main question is that can u play by yourself in fallout 76?

uneven ingot
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I play 100% by myself

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I have players on my friendlist that I join the same server on

surreal veldt
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Good cuz I don’t like playing with other people much

uneven ingot
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But we never get into a voice call or anything like that

surreal veldt
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I need one more trophy then I get platinum in fallout

uneven ingot
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Congrats. Hope you get it soon

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As for me I gotta hit the hay. Got work tomorrow 💀

surreal veldt
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I need 100% settlement happiness on it that’s why I’m building in sanctuary

uneven ingot
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Gn and have fun!

surreal veldt
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I’m still a minor lol

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Cya man gl with work

potent cipher
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Help, not sure where to go. Playing fallout shelter experimental vault. Didn’t do the initial start up trainer thingy since I know how to play. Now can’t get a dweller since one of the items is to have completed that. Now have no idea how to find that and do it after the fact. Any help appreciated.

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I see this may be the full on game. Maybe someone can point me to the appropriate group for fallout shelter.

sudden nova
potent cipher
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Thank you

sudden nova
uneven ingot
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Other weapons actually beat it in dps. Guass Shotgun requires a whole lot more work to reach those kind of numbers than other weapons

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Most times I’m doing closer to about 11k per crit against regular enemies. That Raid boss just has a big weak spot.

fallow panther
violet lichen
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Nuclear winter almost makes you wish you were patrolling the Mojave.

edgy barn
fallow panther
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dogmeat can be trapped behind doors at least, and katja runs away when she realizes she's outmatched

flint laurel
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i have problem with fallout 4 creations i come back to game after a year and i cant activste any of my owned creations what should i do? i play on ps4

fallow panther
flint laurel
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i needed to instal newest updste bc i dont have it downloaded

fallow panther
flint laurel
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i use only creations made by bethesda

fallow panther
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I can't help you.

twilit parrot
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bro bgs doesnt have the source code for fallout nv...

vast trench
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FALLOUT 5 SHOULD BE BASED IN NORTHERN CALIFORNIA so much good lore

https://youtu.be/bV12bVatem4?si=2Iq8UDr9kO8ecZgO

Howdy Doody folks and welcome back to our journey across the United States. Today, we're visiting California's northern portion, and talking about a bit of their weird folklore. From men who declared themselves "Emperor" and were taken more seriously than you'd think, to beings that live beneath your mountains, and maybe even creatures in your w...

▶ Play video
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Change my mind

tired adder
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bethesda please restock the nukacola glass bottle on the gear store NukaCola

fluid sedge
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I started playing Fallout New Vegas again, but on a Hardcore mode for the first time. And there were rough starts that I ran into and hopefully I get that part through without my courier kicked the bucket or I quit the game. So pray for me that I get it through fine and beat the hardcore mode for the first time.

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Now I saved Goodsprings from Powder Gangers (without me killing the Powder Gangers,) have Sergent McGee as a Sheriff, and I started the I Fought The Law quest and to hope the NCR take over NCRCF.

fluid sedge
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Meaning I have to side with the NCR and have the Powder Gangers wiped out and have Eddie survived the assault. So I’m assuming you were thinking “I” should kill Eddie, that’s why I will not kill Eddie for that.

edgy barn
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hardcore is actually not that hard

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its more about inventory management and farming food and water, I beat it pretty easily

potent flume
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Yeah hardcore isn't entirely to do with mob difficulty. It's about micro management.

rugged quarry
fallow panther
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imagine fallout nv lets you have a canon death without beating main story & included alternative end slides

sudden nova
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Fallout Remaster summer 26'???

fallow panther
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nah probably more like 2028

potent flume
# sudden nova Fallout Remaster summer 26'???

There was a team who were doing a complete fan remake of FO1 with FO4's engine, titled "Vault 13". They shut it down towards the end of completion a couple of years ago due to burnout.
Someone else in the meantime apparently made a FPS variant of it.

potent flume
quasi sentinel
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hi

fallow panther
sudden nova
fallow panther
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I'm getting kinda excited for fallout 2. it's the only "mainline" fallout game i havent finished yet.

steady bison
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Just the similar case with blizzard wanting to remaster diablo 2

next hound
sudden nova
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where do yall want fallout 5 to be set in?

lone crypt
# dry current where do yall want fallout 5 to be set in?

I would love to see it set in (and around) Chicago. It offers a major city next to a large body of water. It has connections to the creation of the atomic bomb. And they could play around with a retro-gangster armosphere (similar to the cowboy atmosphere in New Vegas).

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Hey friends, will me having the plague walker mutation mess up my goul build in any way?

fallow panther
# dry current where do yall want fallout 5 to be set in?

I'll always want a Fallout in Canada or closer too it, since well that's where I live. Realistically, they could do some place like Chicago, with a "canada" DLC type excursion that takes you to london ontario or sarnia, maybe even Toronto.

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ou actually no i think detroit would be better. could really amp up "The Pitt" style aesthetic, they already know it works

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personally, i think they will choose a location that allows for introducing/recounting some pre-war lore about US's relations with the outside world, and in my opinion the easiest way to do this is to base the setting out of a location where it'd be reasonable for those connections to occur. Although the "better" answer is that Todd has kept san fran off the table for fallout games for a while now, so, it's probably going to be there.

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I kinda hope we eventually get a fallout game involving somewhere in Europe, there’s a lot of potential but realistically it makes sense why it wouldn’t

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Not exactly a lot of vaults there now are there 😅

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it would be amazing for example if the main character has some backstory in the war that we get to use to explore conflict zones

balmy plover
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TRUE, honestly I could accept a situation where the enclave set up some kind of special operation specifically in other countries so they can also spy on (and experiment on) the people outside of America

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Enclave vaults instead of vault tec ones

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hmm. that would be pretty heavy lore-implication wise. The resource wars happened, could just explore those?

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i'm not sure that enclave cares about other countries

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yes exactly like the fallout 3 operation anchorage dlc

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you never quite know with the enclave honestly, lore wise they seem pretty in it just for themselves and America, but it doesn’t mean they can’t have ways of gathering/ monitoring people in other countries maybe..

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I’d reckon they’d have at least some surveillance on what goes on across the pond on some level

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well yeah i suppose, but the resource wars directly involved europe

"The Resource Wars is an umbrella term referring to over 25 years of conflicts from the war between the European Commonwealth and the Middle East in April 2052 to the Sino-American War and the Great War on October 23, 2077. Some of the conflicts included the annexation of Canada by the United States and the Chinese invasion of Anchorage, Alaska."

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but thats bethesda's problem for making the player-character in an RPG have a detailed & fixed backstory. really, that should just be like via a companion or someone you DONT have control over.

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that’s about par for the course when it comes down to how Bethesda makes games, trust me, I absolutely ADORE Bethesda’s stuff, I wouldn’t be here otherwise and I wouldn’t have played fallout 3 all the way up until 76 and Skyrim, but they’re more focused on telling a story with their games, it’s why it’s so confusing that Skyrim works, when fallout 4 (AGAIN, IN MY OPINION) doesn’t, because fallout 4 is really confused on what it’s trying to do with itself

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It’s not that I dislike Nate or Nora, I think they’re perfectly fine, but if they wanted to tell a story they should’ve just fully stuck to that instead of pretending the game they made was an rpg

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we're likeminded on this for sure. They did a good job with the kellog flashbacks exposing lore on the NCR, but it was like a drop in an empty bucket. need more of that kinda exposition, it can work to have both, just needs a lot more careful thought & planning.

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It’s why courier 6 works and Nate/nora doesn’t, specifically because obsidian at the time knew to make an rpg you have to give your player full control over everything they want to do, it just doesn’t make sense to have an “rpg” allow you to level up infinitely and get every perk and trait in the game

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Plus yeah, like you said Kellog was REALLY good, I loved him as an antagonist/villain, and honestly? He should’ve been the endgame guy

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Fallout 3 works in the aspect that it hints at it, like wink wink nudge nudge, the problem is Shaun like you said, if anything, kellog should’ve remained all the way up until you meet with Shaun, like first of all, why would the leader of the institute, a man who’s letting a wastelander (even if it’s his mother or father) inside, after tormenting them and numerous communities they potentially liberate from robots from HIS institute, expect not to be immediately shot down? After all, first thing the dude says when seeing the surface for the first time in person is that it can’t be saved, for such a prominent figure in the game, the dude you’ve been hearing about all this time, from in the shadows.. lurking.. waiting.. he is really stupid like really really stupid

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Huge paragraph but it really tells just how foolish Shaun actually is that he lets his best man for the surface just casually get shot down instead of having him act as a body guard just in case something went wrong when introducing himself

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completely agree. when shaun said that voice line on the roof i immediately murked him, and not because it was a "story decision" (i reloaded) but because it's just so dumb i had to make it stop lmao

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Like ah yes, of course, the surface can’t be saved! You’re right Shaun! You know why? Because you unleashed a tidal wave of robotic murder machines and brutish Super mutants that actively hang MEAT BAGS from RUSTY CHAINS

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No wonder the surface sucks so bad you’re just the cherry on top dude!

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In all honesty, if they really wanted a BETTER twist reveal atp just reveal the enclave was behind the institute, controlling how it goes, how humans and scientists react and respond when given unlimited power over others, have Shaun be their little guinea pig that has no idea he’s not the real one in control, but a game that’s been rigged from the start, ever since he was born

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Maybe that would be stupid, but it really isn’t above the enclave to do stuff like that

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Thank you! It just makes so much sense more sense than some weird random encounter with “enclave remnants” you find in fallout 4

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Wasn’t it with the fallout show when it came out iirc

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If so then even for a non canon encounter it makes zero sense.. the enclave actively are alive and well considering the show

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Yeahhhh true NCR was big enough to have recon on these sorts of things THEN AGAIN though in fallout new Vegas there’s a legion spy in the NCR you can actually meet

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Though, I’d assume that’s because the NCR were spread pretty thin in Vegas

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Considering literally everyone pretty much knows about the enclave now it would be quite difficult for them to easily be able to infiltrate certain institutions like it was before the war

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The Enclave is best when they’re relying on spies and subterfuge. Whenever they bring a show of force some random tribal or vault dweller just nukes them

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It’s what made prewar Enclave so scary. They were THE government boogeymen

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Can’t wait for the Enclave lore dump in S3. Fans of the TV show but not the games have a lot to catch up on

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It would be nice if Bethesda would fix their game I mean I joined this discord because I do support Bethesda but I think it's kind of crappy that fallout 4 the quest tradecraft is glitched or bugged I've tried everything and I mean everything to get Deacon to use the computer to open the vault so I can get the prototype and nothing's working I've even went to far harbor and even nuka world to try to reset the cell area and all that I'm not going to restart my whole game just because of one quest but I wish Bethesda would really honestly fix their game I paid for the game and I paid for the DLC I shouldn't be having these problems but I'm just wondering is it about money I mean do they need money to be able to fix a game I mean how much does it cost to fix a bug in the game so I can play it

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So far, I’m loving what the show has been doing, no spoilers, but all I’ll say is despite what they did with Vegas, I can see it happening, I like that they’re truly doing the enclave some justice instead of making them some kind of joke

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Personally, I like when fallout sticks to the enclave being behind a lot of what happens, I like variety but it just makes too much sense to have them be behind so much of what makes fallout.. well.. fallout

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For what the Enclave represents, it makes sense that they’d be the cause of so much suffering in the wasteland

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Corporatization of political greed and corruption

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It shows just how much of a threat they are when they even get big players in the franchise to not know to what extent how many steps ahead they are

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years of planning before the war, 200+ years of exerting just a fraction of it

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It’s why FO4’s institute will always (to me) feels like an excuse for an enclave like faction, without any of the actual payoff of it being an enclave like figure

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Also wow I yapped a lot 😅 sorry I just love talking about fallout lore

modest night
# balmy plover Sighhh it’s fallout 4 magic

There's nothing magic about a broken game I mean you know the funny thing is Bethesda releases content that makes us want to buy it but they don't want to back it up with constant updates to make sure the game is working properly I mean of course I'm going to complain about something I paid money for

potent flume
# balmy plover Sighhh it’s fallout 4 magic

Sometimes it's best to just let people express their grief, lest unwittingly trigger an argument you didn't expect or want to get involved in due to some sort of disagreement or misunderstanding.

sudden nova
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Ah, those were the days, grief mode on BO2. Long Summer nights filled with grief and zombies.

balmy plover
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It was a joke TRUST me I know first hand how broken fallout 4 is

potent flume
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That's the point.

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I wish it wasn’t as broken as it is 💔

potent flume
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Misunderstandings can occur when no one sees the joke.

balmy plover
modest night
# balmy plover Oh trust me I’m not invalidating what you’re saying! Didn’t mean it like that, I...

Yeah I mean I just started playing it again I mean I played it in the past a lot but I decided to play it again with survival mode and I got a few of the content that's achievement friendly I mean I don't use mods that disable achievements at all I only use the ones that you can still get achievements because on Xbox I'm an achievement hunter but the thing about it is I just want this company to fix this I mean I can't get to the ballistic weave because I can't get past that first mission in the railroad I mean how long is it really going to take them to fix this It just makes you not want to play

modest night
# potent flume Sometimes it's best to just let people express their grief, lest unwittingly tri...

Oh it's not about stress at all It's about a simple thing that if you pay for a game that the developers should update it I mean come on you got a quest that is bugged You got the virtibird with the brotherhood of steel that flies through mountains and telephone lines I mean I remember back in the day when I used to play it I used to really enjoy it I mean I played it when it first came out and it was great but whatever update they applied the last one it just messed up a bunch of stuff

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I get it. My point being is that things can be misread if you don't know the other person well enough.
But I have unwittingly been involved in some topics of people who explode in anger over the mere questioning of what they express their grief about.

modest night
potent flume
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not wrong

night tapir
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I just made some progress on my Fallout fanfic story

sudden nova
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sounds like it's time for some noclip or console commands setting the stage for the quest back to either the starting point or skipping to the end if you're over it by now.

fallow panther
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yeah, it suck. i remember having to replay campaign missions multiple times due to bugs though, all the way back to call of duty modern warfare (the og) and world at war

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bugs & games will always coexist as much as we don't want that unfortunately

fluid sedge
fluid sedge
fallow panther
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well hey, at least it's a singeplayer game. competitive online game bugs can ruin entire servers, throw matches, etc.

spark onyx
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Guys i have fallout 76 pringles

fallow panther
spark onyx
sudden nova
rugged quarry
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Hello there guys

sudden nova
rugged quarry
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Can anybody help me? I have 2 scorpions on my tail and im at 1 hp ((fallout 2 trials))

sudden nova
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Damn, you really are in a pinch.

spark onyx
rugged quarry
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and armor class isnt really working out either. Not even it being at 12 helps me

sudden nova
rugged quarry
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gemini gave me the most ahh build

rugged quarry
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Ok grabbed gifted now what

fallow panther
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hearing chris talking about the fallout nv source code and the potential of bgs not having it is crazy

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i dont have any expectations anymore with bgs after starfield, since they dont know whats fun like they arent playing their games anymore, so i atleast hoped they could remake the best game in the franchise

indigo prism
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I mean… to each their own but despite not hitting my initial expectations, experiencing Starfield on its own is a great experience.

twilit parrot
fallow panther
smoky fern
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Maybe he has a point. Shouldn't judge too soon.

sudden nova
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It's said that there is some truth in everything

twilit parrot
balmy plover
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No kidding, I was playing fallout shelter right, and someone in my athletics room said “we’ve expanded so far down we’ve struck lava!” And as SOON as I see that that SAME ROOM CAUGHT ON FIRE.

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what did you do Sarah? What did you DO?

next hound
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Agility and intelligence: 9
Charisma: 1
Fast shot/small frame and gifted
Skills: speech, lockpick, small guns/science

The rest is up to you. The trials are known to be a nightmare to get through regardless, but the game should be slightly more forgiving after you pass it. Have fun!

fallow panther
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Tim Cain & Leonard Boyarsky actually you know.. made the game.. but of course, Avellone worked on new Vegas, so how dare I say anything against him 🙄 fallout 2, yeah .. ok.. there was a reason Tim Cain basically cancelled Van Buren. Cope cope cope

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next hound
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Chris Avellone and Josh Sawyer were both the lead designers and writers to Van Buren. The same guys who used parts of the game in NV, so yeah. That’s your reason for why it was cancelled. Even Tim Cain said it was because of Interplay.

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Fallout 4 anniversary edition Xbox series x does unofficial patch run well with other mods and don’t really have any issues

twilit parrot
fallow panther
# next hound Tim Cain left during Fallout 2s development. And no, he didn’t cancel Van Buren....

I talk about my involvement in the cancellation of Fallout Van Buren at Interplay in 2003.

Videos I reference
VAN BUREN: Inside the Cancelled Fallout 3: https://youtu.be/DD-LCsIiw2g?si=n4gWfZRnxxkY8ow7
Why I Left Fallout 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGfaCXEu0tE
Arcanum Development Timeline: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETVsAHbTh2c
Why ...

▶ Play video
next hound
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Look at the TV show. They could’ve made a show based on their games they wrote, but they chose NV, the one game they didn’t write or participate in developing. And obviously, they retconned the lore.

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Heck, Obsidian wanted to make another Fallout game, either NV2 or one based somewhere else.. even a new Elder Scrolls game, and Bethesda totally ignored them. Now ES6 will be in development for the next 10+ years. Where does that leave Fallout? 20 years?
They need to at least let someone else make another Fallout game. The show isn’t enough, and nobody should wait a few more decades for a new entry. What they’ve done is cruel to the ES and Fallout fans.

fallow panther
fallow panther
# next hound Okay, so I don’t know what you mean by “there was a reason Tim Cain basically ca...

Understandable, my apologies, that video doesn’t address that, rather was meant to provide context on the reason it was cancelled — specifically that he was brought in and asked to essentially give a yes or no on if the game should be continued to completion, or cancelled, in which Tim Cain chose the latter.

In another video about fallout lore & fallout 2, from Tim Cain’s youtube channel, he goes on about the changes that were made to the game in fallout 2 and explains all the things that lead up to him leaving fallout 2 very early in development. Lore wise, there were a few decisions he talks about being uncomfortable with and I don’t summarize it well surely.. but it’s not hard to understand why fallout 2 was the start of a departure, things like pop culture references, etc.

I do find fallout new Vegas to lean more towards the type of game design choices & lore that Tim Cain is vocally against. Of course, Tim would never say that openly, at risk of being annihilated by the New Vegas fandom, but it’s not hard to conclude either.

next hound
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I really don’t know where the anti capitalist argument came from when China were the ones who canonically dropped the bombs first.

night tapir
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That reading is probably due to the existence of Followers of the Apocalypse. That could have been one of the reasons why Fallout is seen as anti-capitalist

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(it's not only communism and socialism that can be seen as anti-capitalist, it's also anarchism)

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Plus a nuclear war would have altered any kind of economic structures of post-apocalyptic societies

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That would likely spark such a reading of Fallout

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imagen the sourcecode is lost 💀

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Honestly, the whole "who has the source code thing" is not going to be a major problem for bethesda, in my opinion. They still have fallout 3, and I think Obsidian would be willing to help. Josh Sawyer, Scott Everts, Charlie Staples all worked on New Vegas & are still with Obsidian. With that excuse aside, bethesda is absolutely capable of remastering New Vegas themselves, let's be honest -- it would just need a leader who wants to do it. Bethesda isn't controlled by the fans. I can honestly understand why Todd has this kinda beef with NV, just think how many times people ask "where new vegas chat" in this discord, for example.

potent flume
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Bethesda owns the IP, but BGS did not make NV, hence at the very least there's no dedicated chatroom here for it.

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the irony is this chat is so used to that ignorance, you just assumed someone just talking about it was ignorant to it as well. Talk about conditioning, haha. That proves my point quite nicely.

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Obsidian did not make the game engine, that's for sure. That's why this entire thing just makes my eyes roll.. of course Bethesda could remake New Vegas. Chris really gets in peoples heads, it's impressive.

potent flume
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Which thing is the discussion about?

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Because FO3, which was in fact made by BGS, is documented to be made on the same engine as NV.

next hound
# night tapir That would likely spark such a reading of Fallout

That’s so weird. When I played the classic games, I never once thought it was being anti-capitalist.

I get it, Fallout is political, but.. come on, it’s in the literal intro of the game. “War never changes”.
Humanity, no matter what, will continue to cause conflict. The point of Fallout isn’t to side with one political party or ideology, but to critique man. But to also to show that, despite humanity and it’s never ending wants of war and chaos for power, we also rebuild and grow, even through the harshest circumstances, hence the post apocalyptic setting.

Simplifying Fallout down to politics just shows that some people have completely missed the point of the games.

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I’ll only trust a remake or remaster of some kind if it’s made by the original developers.

fallow panther
# potent flume Because FO3, which was in fact made by BGS, is documented to be made on the same...

Man why do you keep restating what I say… Yeah I made a mistake typing my thoughts too quickly and not proof reading, and went to correct it, which you’ve clearly noticed, I typed engine in the first part of one of my comments when I meant source code, so I edited it to correct my mistake. I then made a separate comment about the engine specifically, to make it even clearer that the former doesn’t preclude the latter.

Either way, I’d appreciate a more thorough read through of my comments if you’re going to keep restating my points as if I didn’t just make them.. please & thank you.

This is further to my point, it’s juvenile to think Bethesda couldn’t remaster New Vegas themselves, but “Bethesda bad” narratives generate more clicks and thus more ad revenue for those pushing that kind of sensationalist media. Chris is not above this, despite his accreditations, which is clear since he’s all over these outlets. Actions speak louder than words. I respect Todd a whole lot more for simply not speaking on it to avoid any sort of stir or implications that this frothing fanbase will eat right up, at least that shows maturity on a professional level, regardless of whatever may or may not have happened behind the scenes.

If Bethesda wants to remake new Vegas, they will, but I know that’s a bitter pill to swallow for the fandom. Again, If I were Todd and saw these kinds of sentiments widely spread on the internet, then why would you want to entertain a fandom so obsessed they think they hold the keys to literally remastering a game they don’t own? I don’t want to get too invested in this, I stand behind what I’ve said. I feel my point has been made, so there isn’t really much sense continuing this line of questioning, I’ve already written a dang novel in here haha. I’ll take a page from Todd’s book now and say less. I’m more interested in hearing other people’s points of views on this discussion, I’ve said enough.

potent flume
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Are you ok mate?

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All I've asked was for clarification, to stop these misunderstandings from happening, yet you're making it personal.

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Not going to continue this. bye mate.

next hound
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I mean dude I was confused as well

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I think he was questioning how they’d make a remake/remaster if they don’t have the source code for the game, since source code ≠ game engine to which.. I also had the same question? VaultBoyConfused

next hound
# fallow panther Man why do you keep restating what I say… Yeah I made a mistake typing my though...

People say “Bethesda bad” because they’ve ruined Vegas with the show. Why else do you think it generates clicks? Why do you think half of the Fallout community are split? And why respect Todd lol? Dude loves to lie and has Emil as the main writer of modern Bethesda games..

You can criticize Chris all you want for his “bitterness towards Bethesda” but what from what I’ve heard about how they treated Obsidian and Fallout, I’d say there’s a reason why people still respect and listen to him and not Todd so much 🤣

sudden nova
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Tacos.

next hound
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Anyways, I don’t know if Bethesda would go through remastering the game from the ground up if they don’t own the source code. And even if they do, it’ll be years down the line.. and Fallout 3 still needs that remaster lol

night tapir
next hound
twilit parrot
potent flume
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That in itself might be an over-simplification.

polar raft
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Hey is there anyone that can help me get new vegas running smoothly on windows 11 i have nvidia gpu it kinda stutters and crashes every now and then i have it installed on epic

calm osprey
twilit parrot
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but a remaster is what everyone wants

next hound
steep sluice
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Protec da New Vegas

twilit parrot
steep sluice
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Skyblivion is the true remaster VaultBoySunglasses

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Cant wait to play it

twilit parrot
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fallout 4 new vegas coping

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projects that will never see the light of day

steep sluice
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It's on the brink of release 🤣

normal fox
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Anyone use the iOS Companion & Guide app? Thoughts?

compact solstice
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Fallout 🙂

next hound
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You can’t even try to make high elves look nice without mods

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Most of the eyes look bloodshot for some odd reason

floral swan
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What is playing Fallout like now? I haven't played Fallout since middle school

next hound
floral swan
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Fallout 3

next hound
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You.. missed out on Vegas. Play it right now.

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I feel bad for you 😭

steep sluice
steep sluice
steep sluice
next hound
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~~ Meanwhile my first Fallout was 1 ~~

steep sluice
next hound
next hound
steep sluice
next hound
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Literally the best ones in the franchise by FAR

next hound
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@floral swan my man you gotta play 1, 2, and Vegas. That is the absolute peak Fallout right there.

compact solstice
compact solstice
next hound
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Hope this interaction does not lead to any fallout between us…

Fallout New Vegas.

next hound
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🤣

steep sluice
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Rn I'm trying to mod the worst Fallout

next hound
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Fallout 4.

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Well that’s the best you can do to make it somewhat enjoyable lol

next hound
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LOL

steep sluice
next hound
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When I try to choose any other faction aside from the BOS and institute in 4 (the rest are literal ants compared to the two)

steep sluice
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Railroad are embarrassing lol

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Institute is cool in concept but Father is a literal moron

next hound
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They were embarrassing ever since 3 lol and the institute are comically evil

steep sluice
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He is no son of mine, I disown him!

next hound
steep sluice
next hound
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I don’t understand the synth plotline. I’m not too invested in 4.. but what’s the point of synths? To repopulate?

steep sluice
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To kill randos then pretend to be them

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Father is like "The commonwealth shouldnt fear us!" Then has commonwealth folk killed, replaced and then does shocked pikachu face when everyone calls them mean names

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How he rose to the top of the institute hierarchy is beyond silly

next hound
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So kill humans and replace them with robots. Doesn’t even sound like fallout, but that’s besides the point. Since they have free will, can’t they just.. eventually find out who the institute are and kill them if they disagree with how they run things?

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Like isn’t the institute basically shooting themselves in the foot here?

steep sluice
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What makes me laugh is they make the newer synths have self awareness and free will yet treats them like crap and make them slaves then complain when they naturally flee

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Just keep making the normal ones bruh

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And Father discontinued research into cybernetics that literally give life extension eg Kellogg, just to do his little synth project because he watched too much Westworld

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Like seriously Father has the idiot savant perk to be given control of a powerful faction with such a low IQ

next hound
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I don’t understand the thought process behind their decisions.. they’re so technologically advanced, yet they’re so stupid… ||at least the Enclave in 2 were silly at times and technologically advanced, WHILE having a good plan to rebuild America (gassing all wastelanders) || spoilers for Fallout 2

steep sluice
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I'm already familiar with Fallout 2, I spoiled the story for myself before I even played it VaultBoySunglasses

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Back in the days prior to me owning a computer that could run it

next hound
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I’d still say it’s worth it since many of the quest lines are better in 2 than 1.

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Like side quests and such

steep sluice
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Fallout 1 had the best atmosphere

next hound
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It technically did if you’re looking for a atmosphere sort of fresh from a nuclear warfare, but the worldbuilding in 2 is definitely better imo

steep sluice
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Agreed

next hound
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Although I’ll give it to 1, it has the best antagonist in the entire franchise (again imo)

next hound
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The Master!

steep sluice
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Great guy, beautiful guy

next hound
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||Dumping my fellow vault dwellers in FEV for the master fr! ||

next hound
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Ave! True to Caesar!

steep sluice
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Always start with a Legion Run when I return to New Vegas

night tapir
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Let's not forget Frank Horrigan

compact solstice
night tapir
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@steep sluice @next hound I am not endorsing Frank Horrigan

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Just pointing out his villainy

night tapir
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Yeah. That's him being evil.

steep sluice
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Evil is fabulous

night tapir
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Right.

next hound
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Frank is a good antagonist, but I do think he gets too much attention. He was underdeveloped, and you really only learn about him at the very end of the game.

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Whereas you learn about the master throughout the entire game in fallout 1. The notes he leaves behind in the glow, Harold, stuff like that. It was easier to connect to him and understand the tragedy of his character.

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It would’ve been interesting to get more of an in depth analysis of Frank while playing through Fallout 2 as well. But still, I like him and still think he’s one of the best antagonists, regardless of the flaws within his character writing.

strong pecan
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What minutemen became lmao

floral swan
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Sooo something really funny happened when I was at a Steakhouse restaurant I overheard people talking about Las Vegas about the areas there and one of the older people said "Well you know? The house always wins."

(Internal fan enthusiasm and joy 💯.)

But I didn't want to misinterpret....As that phrase might mean different things I didn't want to look socially awkward basically because of bad middle school memories of embarrassment.

It was funny though because it reminded me of the Fallout show. 😆

ebon terrace
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So since it's confirmed Todd hated Fallout New Vegas, does this mean the whole assassination on the whole lore for the west coast is done on purpose as just intentional sabotage?

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Is a shame since Mr. House and New Vegas, the legion, the NCR used to be interesting as faction

lone crypt
ebon terrace
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Still is a hard way to see that, destroying those contents makes difficult to understand a positive view on the relation of interest for New Vegas by Todd in person

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can't deny he left a mark but the damage is done

next hound
ebon terrace
next hound
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They admitted they were jealous of NV success in an article VaultBoyConfused

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I initially felt a little touchy about it, because I was like, 'We made 90% of the art, we built the engine.'" We did all that stuff [and] we did it in a very limited window of time and they got to just work on the stories."

ebon terrace
next hound
ebon terrace
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Don't get me wrong but Fallout is not a the elder scroll game

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despite is treated like that doesn't mean it has to face the same kind of humor and game loop.

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But now everything must be a rollercoaster

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i only see a childification of both fallout and tes titles

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and i mean, not mature but immature

next hound
# ebon terrace yeah, maybe was better if bethesda let obsidian handle fallout so they could ha...

Even then Skyrim is known to be a complete downgrade from Oblivion and especially Morrowind. Obsidian had the same developers as the classic fallouts, so yes, Bethesda should’ve focused on ES while Obsdian worked on Fallout. Then fans would get the best of both worlds, but Bethesda doesn’t want anyone to touch Fallout. It’s what makes them money, and they don’t want to be embarrassed again by NV blowing the rest of their games out of the water.

ebon terrace
next hound
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Thing is, I want Bethesda to do better. I want them to thrive, but they’re so greedy that they make everyone else suffer for their choices.

ebon terrace
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The thing is, the gaming industry is a huge market, if the same bethesda can't succede with the demand of making actual RPG games, the audience move to better games with appealing storytelling and gameplay mechanic innovative

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But so far seems too focused on making rollercoasters, not RPG

next hound
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Right, and unfortunately they’re one of the biggest game companies of the RPG genre. I just wish they would give fallout to obsidian (old obsidian/classic fallout devs) again. Let them make a game. It’s such an easy way to make money. All they do is gain from it besides inevitable slander.

next hound
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Let’s hope they sober up one day 👍

ebon terrace
next hound
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It doesn’t please anyone though 😭 Starfield was a complete disaster and its DLCs are even worse. I don’t know WHO they’re trying to please nowadays

ebon terrace
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but maybe is better if bethesda stop to use the Keep it simple silly logic and return to their roots by making good complex role play choice

next hound
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As long as Emil is the lead writer, nothing will change.

ebon terrace
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same

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i get it, for some people is very personal the bethesda question but we must be realistic, in this current state we don't have much roleplay innovation by bethesda

next hound
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People are only personal from nostalgia

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They will only defend their choices because “Fallout 3 gud”

ebon terrace
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and blame those who liked new vegas the "supremacist elitist"

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as if fallout 1 and 2 didn't exist 😂

next hound
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If NV didn’t exist, I’d still say Fallout 1 and 2 are better than 3, 4, and 76

ebon terrace
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I miss new Reno and the car

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heck, i want vehicles come back in fallout so bad

next hound
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I’m telling you, Fallout 2 probably has the best worldbuilding out of any of the games hands down.

ebon terrace
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it has a lot of variety

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and also a lot of actual adult entertaiment

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because was actually a game for adults, now is just a game for teenagers

next hound
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Fallout 2 is definitely the most brutal game out of the franchise. NV is a close 2nd

ebon terrace
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dead money and old world blues 👀
Lonesome roads too

next hound
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Oof yeah if we take those into account, then.. idk, that’s a hard choice!

next hound
next hound
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So sick

ebon terrace
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best car in the whole franchise, if only we could have again drivable vehicles like the highwayman

next hound
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Isn’t it implied that some people use vehicles in fallout, we just don’t ever see them?

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Like the NCR or something?

ebon terrace
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seriously, maybe bethesda could change their next games if they finally introduce cars in fallout

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i mean, starfield got the moon buggy, so, how about to refine the driving system so we can see npc using cars and other vehicles too

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i'm quite tired of the vertibird spam in fallout 4

next hound
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Yeah but even in fallout 2, having a vehicle is extremely rare and required a very specific part to fix up the highwayman. Vehicles would be cool, but a good idea? It’s hard to tell.

ebon terrace
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we could still have tech factions using vehicles for their own purpose

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the van buren caesar legion show perfectly how they adapted vehicles for their own vision of ancient roman cosplayers

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the only limit is just the creativity but somehow bethesda seems stuck in pre war tech. Just with the institute i can see they try to develop something but we have reach a point where it's time to stop focusing always on the pre war excuse and focus on post war tech

next hound
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Ever since 3 it was problematic, but 4 really pushed the plot forward.

solemn patio
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Hi I just recently bought the AE of FO4 and had mods that were working last night the load order is practically the same but I can’t load into my game anymore w/out crashing is there sum PSN CC wizard lol who can help me perhaps? Or sumbody who knows where I can ask?

ebon terrace
# next hound Hot take (or cold) I don’t think the institute is good for fallout. I think the ...

me too, i found hard to understand the reason of using synths if the whole society is in ruins. Synths can't repreoduce like regular humans, all they need is pre war DNA and a huge 3D printer . Sure gen 1 and 2 synth are fine as functional androids but it makes no sense because the robots are just tools and the self awareness is explain in a very weird matter. The game push too much the "Institute bad rethoric" with a very bidimentional narrative like everyone is a saturday morning cartoon villain. And the fact the game (and the tv series) push the pro BoS rethoric as the "poster boys" as if this is what is supposed to be.

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I feel the institute could have a different type of story, not the blade runner story because it doesn't fit in a post apocalypse setting because for how the institute is setted in term of plot, is more a waste of potential

potent flume
ebon terrace
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but since the canon ending seems BoS won, makes the institute a defeated faction

potent flume
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It also borrows on the concept of man inventing machine, and society seeing machine as a threat on livelihoods, and machine going out of their way to defend themselves.
The Railroad helps machine to stop being threatened by society by finding them sanctuary.

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In terms of the TV series, we don't know yet if the Institute still exists. All that's known so far is it seems the Commonwealth BoS are still a thing.

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potent flume
night tapir
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ebon terrace
potent flume
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If "we" don't succeed him, the Institute will end up no longer existing, 1 way or another.

urban crag
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Please keep the conversation civil chat

floral swan
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I'm a fairly new player to Fallout games.

night tapir
potent flume
# floral swan I'm a fairly new player to Fallout games.

People can get very "invested" into the games and how they see them and the franchise overall. I'd say more, but... best to move on on the topic before it triggers a debate of its own.
If ever in doubt, if you feel some things being said are uncivil, report it via @muted cobalt

mild rose
floral swan
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(?Little Advice) about playing Fallout?

potent flume
umbral wind
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Hello! I just got a pc like a week ago, what is the go to site for mods and such? I wanted to add some to NV

steady bison
next hound
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The Institute are way too evil to the point it’s hard to take them seriously. What they fail at is being agreeable as the Legion.
Yes, the Legion are a very brutal faction that does awful things, but they’re anti drugs and are known to keep the trade posts and roads safe, something the NCR is very poor at doing. They’ll make sure to be strict once they take over Vegas to build empire, but it can work. That’s why even if they’re the most evil out the bunch, they can still be argued to be the best for Vegas.

Institute cannot do that. A very small minority of people would agree with them, but they’re just… stupid. There’s nothing to agree on. Replace humans with robots.. like who’s gonna think that’s a good idea?

Also about the BOS.. insane when in New Vegas, the BOS isn’t even a main faction and are in fact very close to dying off. They are hated by, Caesar, Kimball, Yes Man, and House especially. Most of their endings are negative with an exception of 1 or maybe 2 with the NCR and even then that’s “decent” at most.
The point of their faction is to show isolation and refusal to adapt will be the end of the road.. as the classic games point out before its retconned they’re a huge faction in the TV show.. which completely misunderstands their story in the games.

next hound
steady bison
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I found the meme

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For some reason the screenshot subchannel doesn't load

next hound
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I thought the meme came from Todd never talking about NV

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Ignoring its existence for years

ebon terrace
# next hound I meant to respond to this message lol

this is why the institute is just more as a faction joke, too comical evil but most player choose it just for convenience, because they want the high tech facility
And is a pity to see how the writing in 4 and 76 is hollow in some moments, is more about actors pretending to be someone instead to be actual characters who live in that world. Is still giving me the idea of the theme park experience. vs people who actually live in that world

steady bison
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My mistake. Someone shouted Fallout 5

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vestal citrus
mild rose
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Oh yeah didn’t see that - next time I see him I’ll see if I can get a better angle

vestal citrus
uneven ingot
vestal citrus
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Finished a lil design i was working on for a lil minifigure suit of power armor inspired off of a person deathclaw moc. thoughts on the suit?

mild rose
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The voice modulators here are next level

potent flume
umbral wind
twin nymph
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I fear if fallout 5 is a pre fallout era or something that takes place way at the beginning, it will simply be an excuse to rewrite everything into Bethesda's narrative of the fallout lore

fallow panther
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bethesda has released 3 games + NV if you count it since Black Isle made the original Fallout 1. Fallout 2 alone, was a departure from the "narrative of the fallout lore". There are more games that have changed lore than there are which established them. At some point you have to let go of the notion that bethesda doesn't control the narrative of fallout, it's been 29 years since fallout 1 released, I think its ok for bethesda to rewrite things at this point.. whether or not they do a good job of it, is what we should judge imo.

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wanton fjord
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I did read it! but thats like saying water is milk if you count it as milk. Wanted to clarify for people who did not know. We have to clairy the NV thing like every day for people lol

fallow panther
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No, its not, what I said made perfect sense and assuming people are too stupid to understand it is crazy work. I intentionally drew a distinction between the 3 bethesda games and New Vegas. Tired of getting "corrected" on things I was never wrong about in the first place.

steep sluice
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Bethesda needs to bring in chris avalone and gonzales for fallout, put Emil in the office closet and boom, truly good fallout again VaultBoySunglasses

ocean folio
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When is the next update for fallout 4

steep sluice
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2035

zealous echo
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Are we allowed to ask/talk about the Fallout Shelter (working title) show? I haven't seen anything about it in here, or anywhere else really for that matter, and I'm super curious about it.

lone furnace
zealous echo
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I did find it interesting that a few of the questions on the application were different just before it closed from when I applied back in February. 🧐

lone furnace
zealous echo
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Thank you!

potent flume
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I don't think reality formatted shows give away much info until closer to launch day.

zealous echo
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That's understandable. I am curious about what kind of challenges they have in mind in this sort of setting, but yeah, that makes sense to keep that kind of info under wraps; though it would be nice, as someone who applied, to have a decent idea about what we'd be getting ourselves into.
And how many people they're expecting/wanting to participate versus how many actually applied; what kinds of characters/personalities they're looking/hoping for, qualifications and such. Especially considering how many questions there were and how in-depth they were; I was honestly a little intimidated and felt kind of rushed so some of my answers weren't as comprehensive as they could've/should've been, thinking I'd run out of time and then the closing date kept getting extended.. 🙃
From what I've seen, there's much more skepticism/hate about the idea than excitement. I'm definitely on the excited side, since I did apply, having been a fan of Fallout for two decades, starting with the first game back in high school, but I am also curious about what others think about it. As I'd said, I haven't seen much in here but I feel like this would be the best place to talk about it (maybe not this channel specifically but the server being for fans of the franchise).

rain pawn
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Fallout 5 opening scene starts with Raiders fighting a guy in power armor. Zooms out over a field. Continues to zoom out.

Suddenly we see green, red, blue pixels as it continues to zoom out. We see an OLED TV.

Continue to zoom out. Camera settles over the shoulder of a teenager sitting on a plush sofa.

"Time for school!"

A voice calls from upstairs. The teenager grabs their backpack and runs out the door.

Title card as the camera follows the teen out onto a misty suburban street.

Bully 2

uneven ingot
zealous echo
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Is the voice upstairs Ron Perlman?

rain pawn
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School... school never changes.

twin nymph
twin nymph
twin nymph
steep sluice
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I ran into them twice already

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Immortal ghouls apparently, everytime I bonk them to death they come back to life

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Crazy stuff

sudden nova
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If they won't go to other countries. Maybe they could bring some of it to here? Some faction of Europeans that either traveled or got stranded here, with their own style and weapons and maybe even their own radio station to provide some foreign music in that time era.

lone furnace
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fallow panther
slow steppe
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Where can I enter suggestions in for FO76? Like more Alien items. Flag, PA, Actual suits & others

slow steppe
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@lone crypt Thanks Bro

mild rose
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Recap video from the West Virginia Wasteland Jamboree

Video seems to be embedding fine

potent flume
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For some crowds, embedded videos from x.com domain don't work. vxtwitter is the workaround.

mild rose
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oh neat, thanks!

potent flume
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Well there's more than 1 workaround domain, but vxtwitter is one of the more common ones known.

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But yeah, if in doubt, use vxtwitter domain.

noble fox
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Ok hear me out. Both Vegas and 4 are good

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I wish Bethesda would add the mod menu and creations menu to new Vegas

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It would make the game 100 times better

potent flume
next hound
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Looks like someone is picking a fight today. You better watch out pal… Mothman

next hound
potent flume
fallow panther
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Fallout new Vegas & spinoff go very well together, however

nocturne pilot
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fallout 4 was better optimised at launch than new vegas was.

zealous echo
steep sluice
steep sluice
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Yes New Vegas barely functioned but when it finally did work it was a masterpiece, like Vampire The Masquerade Bloodlines 1

zealous echo
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Oh, wait, I've not even played 4, what am I saying? My brain was thinking 3 maybe? 🤷 😅

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steep sluice
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Though I will give bethesda credit for presentation

nocturne pilot
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steep sluice
nocturne pilot
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Some of the side quests are fun but very meh compared to NV

nocturne pilot
steep sluice
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So yes NV quests were very different not the same at all

nocturne pilot
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nocturne pilot
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Look at Veronica's companion quest, you had the option to just shoot and shoot, or gather evidence the peaceful way and deliver it to the NCR to sort the issue out, the quest with free side siphoning water can be done completely peacefully

steep sluice
nocturne pilot
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you accuse me of being a fanboy but you are the one doing that with NV.

wanton fjord
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This is turning into an argument so let's move on please

steep sluice
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Arcades quest alone had alot of different outcomes, you can make the enclave remnants fight for the NCR which causes one of the members to throw a hissy fit and you can fight him or talk him down, make them fight for Caesar and make Arcade leave for good, and after the battle plan is decided you can determine if Arcade stays in new vegas during the battle or fight along side his companions during the battle, that's six options right there

nocturne pilot
steady bison
nocturne pilot
wanton fjord
steady bison
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Sure because here is not obsidian ok

next hound
# nocturne pilot fallout 4 was better optimised at launch than new vegas was.

Yes, compare a game that was developed in 18 months to a game that was developed in 4-7 years. I hope Fallout 4 has better optimization and combat compared to a game made in 2010.
But may you introduce you to the Fallout 4 anniversary edition? Known to be a disaster and near unplayable from the sheer amount of bugs despite the game being over a decade old by now?

I don’t really understand the combat argument when Fallouts core part is story and RPG

steep sluice
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Thankfully I never upgraded to anniversary edition

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So I still have Fallout 4 working properly

next hound
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Even then Fallout 4 is still buggy, but good on you for not getting it. How the anniversary edition added MORE game breaking bugs to unplayability is a mystery 😂

steep sluice
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It just works

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Had my first crash though today after about 60 odd hours

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Ps4 version I suffered with constant crashes, especially in the city area

next hound
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Steam

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It overheats my steam deck and guzzles the battery like a thirsty alcoholic at a bar but apart from that it's been pretty smooth

next hound
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🤣

steep sluice
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It's on charge right now, literally just finished Far Harbor

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Glory To Atom

next hound
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How is that DLC? I hear it’s one of the few good things about 4

steep sluice
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Atoms Judgement is the best melee weapon in Fallout tbf, it just looks fabulous

steep sluice
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I did enjoy the Atoms side quests though dispite being pretty basic

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I do hope the children of atom become a major join able faction in Fallout 5

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Now that I've returned to the common wealth with my new hammer I'm gonna pay swan a visit before I go back to building my raider castle

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Had to bump the difficulty upto very hard because I'm just too op now

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And I'm playing with the ghoulification mod from CC so now that I've gone feral my hammer does about 500 damage plus 400ish radiation damage so... yea

next hound
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Ngl and no hate, but I do not like the children of atom VaultBoyConfused they’re a shallow faction that don’t really make much sense imo

steep sluice
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They need more fleshing out, which is what Fallout 5 should do, just saying Todd, I know you are watching us

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The children of atom give very good loot in far harbor

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I had Ada with me carrying my loot back home so now I'm gonna finish the Automatron DLC then begin Nuka World

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Shawn can wait

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The prick

next hound
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“I have to find my son!”

Builds settlements instead

steep sluice
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Literally

rain pawn
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Not to mention killing, sometimes indiscriminately those who have nothing to do with Shaun missing or spouse dead.

steep sluice
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It's a great life in the wasteland

latent pollen
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What is up fellas

steep sluice
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Nick Valentine

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He never sleeps

nocturne pilot
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the sky.

maiden cobalt
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Cues some fallout music

steep sluice
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Todd

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Todd never changes

mild rose
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Unsure who that’s supposed to be on the left tho - big foot?

steep sluice
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Pfft

mild rose
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Otherwise that’s flatwoods, graft. And mothman

uneven ingot
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Bigfoot for city council!

mild rose
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Was wild how similar Sutton was to the real Sutton

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One lane town next to a river

bronze zealot
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it'd be cool if unarmed in fallout 5 were secondary weapons like grenades so when you gun bash with an unarmed weapon equipped you use it, so unarmed has more difference from melee

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also it'd be cool if you could double click secondaries to use them as primary weapons

steep sluice
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Would be nice if unarmed weapons in fallout 5 were actually good unlike in Fallout 4

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Only two good weapons

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Power fist and Deathclaw Gauntlet

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Even then the F4 Deathclaw guantlet doesnt look as cool as the F3 and NV one

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using unarmed weapons with PA would also be beautiful

steep sluice
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Yes

shadow bronze
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I'm only really thinking about it rn but does anyone find it kinda odd The Wand Company gave the TV Pip-boy the video game flashlight and the NV Pip-boy the TV flashlight. ?

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As in the TV show Pip-boy has the Screen glowing bright.

And the NV Pip-boy has a flashlight that isn't the screen itself.

It's the one thing that bugs me about The Replicas, other than that they're terrific. I wonder if the wand company will do the fallout 4 Pip-boy and remake their fallout 76 one as a working model

potent flume
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It was released as part of the collector edition when the game launched.

shadow bronze
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Maybe not, I could see it's existence maybe a little redundant

potent flume
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Yeah it'd be a bit pointless just for the sake of them making it.

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Info I'm finding, and even the replica itself that I have, does not say who Bethesda commissioned to make it.

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Ok so it may have actually been Thinkgeek.

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If yet another replica of it is made, Bethesda then also need to re-publish the smartphone app.

shadow bronze
potent flume
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Actually that makes an interesting point. It could become an IoT device.

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Because the one that was made back in 2015, worked with the FO4 companion app that worked while you were in-game, for that level of immersion.

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The app has since been retired, officially.

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An IoT pip-boy would be neat.

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Would probably need to run on a Pi.

shadow bronze
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I have a downloaded apk of it but it doesn't work with fallout 4 for obvious reasons

steady bison
shadow bronze
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Oh I don't have that one

steady bison
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It was cool when it was at the google store. Now the apk is pirated to download

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One or two years after that the studio decided to close the pc client server

haughty lake
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Hello

shadow bronze
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I forgot, does the Wand Company's 3000a Pip-boy have an in game radio like Radio NV? Or three dogg?

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Or is it just FM

vapid maple
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Is Bethesda ever gonna fix the Bunker home pack for Fallout 4? Or how do I go for a refund if not

next hound
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🤣

maiden cobalt
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Plays Heartaches by the Number

sudden nova
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Speaking of which.. I look forward to cracking the highest-security vault, of all time, in a future Fallout game.

Thieves guild, meet vault-tech artists. Tune up those ears.

nocturne knot
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PLease Bethesda make the Enclave Plasma Core Recharger available in the Atomic shop this weekend ❤️

fallow panther
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mmmmmmmmmm fallout 76.....mmmmmm

quaint zealot
uneven ingot
# quaint zealot How to farm caps on that game???

Every NPC vendor shares the same cap limit of 1400 a day. You can sell weapons and meds you find to easily reach that every day. Outside of that, Public Events reward a few hundred caps each and smaller Activities reward smaller amounts as well.

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If you have stuff people want to buy, opening a vendor stand in your camp is also pretty effective

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Expeditions and Daily Ops also rewards a fair number of caps

quaint zealot
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Yes

sour burrow
fallow panther
# quaint zealot Yes

what i said (without the spam filter catching letters) is that i come here in respite of the fallout 76 chat, and that fallout 76 is certainly a game

sour burrow
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I really tried getting into FO76. I like the DLC stories. But by God, it is just so...horrid

fallow panther
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it's odd that fallout 4 feels more "fresh" or higher quality to me.

sour burrow
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Because FO4 is concentrated

fallow panther
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inb4 "but 76 is online" yes I know. f4 still looks really good.

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ahhh i wasnt fast enough

sour burrow
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FO76 is not concentrated. It's dilated and then having content added. Not to say the content is bad, it's actually good. But FO76 as a game itself isn't

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fallow panther
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fallout 4 is still the best looking fallout in my opinion. Fully modded NV can't even touch it.

sour burrow
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Bethesda did manage to turn FO76 into a success story though, in the end

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DLC after DLC, content after content

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fallow panther
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oh sure. big moneymaker for bethesda. pretty much keeps the lights on for them it seems haha.

steep sluice
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All the fallout games have great graphic mods

fallow panther
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It sure should when you charge your users on a subcription fee. Kinda like how EA works.

quaint zealot
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wanton fjord
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it is ok to say you do not like it, but please do not bash.

quaint zealot
sour burrow
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It's not bashing per se

quaint zealot
quaint zealot
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As much as I love New Vegas they kinda fumbled their recreation of that when leaving doc Mitchell's house

quaint zealot
sour burrow
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The villain, the companions, and the brotherhood entrance were the top tier parts of FO4, and Railroad

quaint zealot
sour burrow
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Or well, see his memories, rather

quaint zealot
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fallow panther
sour burrow
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quaint zealot
sour burrow
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Kellog as a villain actually was good

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fallow panther
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ah disregard my reply i thought you were talking about that gangster in the vault

sour burrow
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Bethesda would've really had a great 10/10 fallout 4 if they had more of that throughout the game

quaint zealot
sour burrow
steep sluice
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Also the Incinerator from CC is pretty damn strong

fallow panther
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that.. world though. it was fantastic (F4). with dynamic weather even better. fallout 4 the kinda game i could spent time in just for the ambiance, soaking in the world. 76 when it tries this... you either get static todd rays or bugged out specular effects etc. there were a few close moments. whitespring brings that vibe. but as a whole, it just doesn't hit for me the same. you're so constantly reminded that the game is about the grind.

sour burrow
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I did more stuff in fallout 4 with Nick than I did with anyone else tbh

sour burrow
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Nick is just my kinda guy

quaint zealot
steep sluice
wanton fjord
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nope, let's move on from that please

sour burrow
steep sluice
quaint zealot
sour burrow
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Actually well written companion with real impacts

quaint zealot
fallow panther
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i did not like nick, his character confused me a bit writing wise. good voice actor, and his scripted quests do make sense, just never felt connected to any backstory.. i mean the dudes not real. idk. not trying to hate

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i'm kinda synth hater though so theres that

sour burrow
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Dude not being real was what sold me on it. Pragmatic robot just trying to figure things out, one bullet at time

steep sluice
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I love Nick's design

quaint zealot
steep sluice
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His quest sucks tho

sour burrow
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Not sure why we couldn't have someone like Nick in Starfield

quaint zealot
steep sluice
fallow panther
sour burrow
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Nick's okay with killing synths. So there's that

fallow panther
quaint zealot