fallout-tv-series

[tawdry kernel]

Its spoilers 🥺

[tribal warren]

|| "He's Canadian!" || I've watched the show. Without context, just saying "Canadian" with the crying laughing face didn't immediately reference the show in my mind. I have a canadian flag in my username, and was the last post in the chat before your message.

[glass roost]

plot is about cold fusion but they already have fusion cores?

[plush quest]

Cold Fusion produces magnitudes more energy than a fusion core. Quintus claimed it could produce more fusion cores than “all of human history could ever consume”

[glass roost]

so, fusion cores dont actually do fusion at room temperature?

[latent bay]

I knew a Canadian once

[plush quest]

No. Presumably it doesn’t get as hot as fusion irl but I imagine those suits run pretty hot. You can install cooling vents to prolong fusion core duration

Gotta keep in mind that Fallout science uses wacky sci-fi rules, not based on real life science

[night heath]

I know a Canadian now.

[tribal warren]

I knew an American once.

[versed path]

The courier in the BIG MT watching everything in new vegas go to crap without him

https://tenor.com/view/blacrswan-gif-20830343

[nova mango]

Top 3 Fallout robots, here are my picks

1. ED-E

2. Victor

3. Liberty Prime

[autumn jay]

Finally getting to the last episode. Im happy to see house back up and running. And throwing courier 6 under the bus. Lol

[lofty prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/first-time-meme-first-time-the-ballad-of-buster-scruggs-gif-24656975

[autumn jay]

Wanders trying to kill his body. That means his body is still alive

[autumn jay]

Yeah

[lofty prairie]

No hes dead as dead my guy

[autumn jay]

His body's dead? Only Ai house lives? Thats sad

[lofty prairie]

Yeah

Atleast hes immortal now

[autumn jay]

Big sad.

[autumn jay]

Only with cold fusion. If someone takes it, like Caesar then house dies again. I dont like the fact that he's only alive as long as he has cold fusion. It gets taken or destroyed house is gone

And the poor congresswoman

Houses helmet is on her

Im glad rad roaches killed all the 31 dwellers. They deserved it. But my Bae Claudia and norm are OK

House admits he rigged the casinos lmao. It'll be interesting to see how house reacts to the enclave

Lol Cooper listening to house on the pip boy. The enclave sent the deathclaws to the strip. Dang. Hank is enclave

Hank and steph? Dang my women is also the enclave.

Hank loves family so much he'll mind whipe Lucy. He doesn't care for her.

I wonder how house will get around with no securitrons

Ouch right in the butt. Lucy is so hot in her yellow dress. I wonder what house will do with the NCR back in Vegas

And people were worried about the NCR being gone.

The strip is so compated compared to the game. The casinos are close. Hank misses steph

Hank said the experiment was the surface not the vault? Holy crap

If hank really mind whiped himself my goodness. His mission is over and the enclave has all the devices on people

Lucy just lost her dad.

Lucy and max together again is nice. But hank. Hank has no idea what is going on now

Yeah hank has an enclave pip boy not surprised. Steph is enclave also. Hanks wife?

Its going to get bad now that they enclave has heard from hank, norm and now Stephanie for phase 2. Stephanie is probably going to die a horrible death.

2043_Cat_Crying

Norm and Claudia pepeheart

Barb and janey wasn't in their pods. Cooper going to Colorado. What if janey is the leader of the enclave

Cooper took the fall for his family. So barb wouldn't get in trouble

The legion on its way to Vegas. How will house defend now? The ncr?

House pretending not to be there with Lucy and max Cooper going to Colorado on his own

It was a good ending to season 2. Im glad house is back. The enclave is the big bad season 3. Poor hank. The brotherhood is in a war with itself and has liberty prime alpha schematics. I wonder how they'll power liberty prime up with no cold fusion. Imagine prime walking up on new Vegas. Seems like we're not done with new Vegas yet.

[frozen bramble]

The co-creator of the show posted not too long ago that Maximus and Lucy weren't going to follow the ghoul to Colorado. That we should instead ask where they're going to go next. So obviously they're not going to stay in Vegas either but will probably still have an episode or two of it before they move on with wherever it is they're going to move on to next

[severe dock]

Lucy and the ghoul was the best. Now that they can't copy fallout 4's plot, I hope season 3 will be good, I kinda doubt it.

All signs point towards underwhelming

[versed path]

If at all

[fierce stag]

Just wondering what you guys thought of show House compared to how he acts in New Vegas?

Don't get me wrong, I definitely enjoyed Theroux's performance and once we got to computer House he felt pretty similar to the House we knew from the game, but in the flashback scenes he definitely came across as a lot more eccentric than expected, at least to me

[latent bay]

Hated every aspect of it

In the game he was calm, ruthless and eloquent, in the show he was an embarrassment, the fake house played a more accurate house, even in the game when house got angry at the courier his anger was still refined and controlled while in the show house went on a bizarre unstable rant, it was like Darth Vader getting angry vs Kylo Ren having that hissy fit like a child in the force awakens

Fake house was more accurate to new vegas house to be honest

If they had portrayed house more accurately I wouldnt be so disgusted with series 2, I only continued watching because the ghoul is walton goggins

https://tenor.com/view/cooper-howard-fallout-thumbs-up-fallout-tv-vault-tec-gif-6009891785160118102

[tribal warren]

i dont like new vegas so the whole show is fantastic to me.

[latent bay]

[autumn jay]

I like the shows Mr house because we dont know what pre war new Vegas game house was like. Just because he's calm in the game doesn't mean he was before the war.

[fierce stag]

Yeah, i don't mind it necessarily, just wasn't what I was expecting.

Like I said, I think once Cooper reactivates House with Cold Fusion, his attitude is a lot more in line with how he goes on in New Vegas

[autumn jay]

I mean pre war house knew the world would end. I dont think anyone would be in the right mind knowing that the world you know will soon be gone

I can't imagine house wanted the world to end so of course he'd be a little nutty because he was trying to prevent new Vegas from getting destroyed. So I dont blame him for being kinda insane pre war

[autumn jay]

Yeah he seems to be more calm like in the game after he's reactivated

[alpine zealot]

yea it was just jarring

[latent bay]

Polite way of saying it 😂

[bold copper]

Been watching videos on season 2. Love seeing other peoples reactions. Its well know i did not like season 2.

What is bad about a lot of negative comments is they are lame attempts to get others to agree with them.
The problems they point out are not problems. Complain about the NCR ranger and his rifle shot. I personally only had the issue with the fact we are led to believe it is a real difficult shot. It was close woth a high powered sniper rifle against a rather large creature.
The same people if the show was acrually good would of loved the scene.

[bold copper]

Did not like the portrayal of house in the show. It just did not feel like him.

[quasi bone]

Rene was something wasn’t he and sadly we never got our live version but Justin is amazing like he almost played the game himself to figure out his character 🤷‍♂️ tbh I felt that the moment he was talking about his “hardships” he has had to endure 😅 and he played house brilliantly he was created from Howard Hughes adding a dash of ramblin Vegas betting man he knows he’s cards as well as his ladies though he would rather be with a cold computer 🤷‍♂️ that’s the performance I got.

Never thought he or the enclave were dead, everyone in f4 asked about them and the BOS diehards said they were gone after the remnants besides the federalist, hell in fo4 I had the very idea for a mod like this though you would activate a bunker of securitrons and you activated a part of his main frame ie the very brain of house we see now as a digital god. I do believe the reactor was built for liberty prime that’s how house found out and I guarantee in season three we will see Arthur Maxson
As the East Coast and West Coast brotherhood of steel fight their Civil War to become united again as they were in fallout four and Arthur Maxson may have found out about the reactor and that it can power liberty prime since every game he has the power issues which has been alpha‘s main issue, and the fact that liberty prime was brought up, means that with the prydwinn on the West Coast, most likely Maxson is there to get his reactor to have the ultimate weapon in the entire world while house wants to control the world through the digital world, but still keep it free and capitalist. Meanwhile, the enclave has said never died. They were just lurking in the shadows as always contingency plan upon contingency plan. Hank still serves a purpose. This is why his life was spared instead of killed, and he only lost his memories prior to entering the vault consider himself lucky enclave Don’t play.

[stiff blade]

Here's my thoughts. Who are the people watching the board meeting in s1?

Maybe it's president Krabs

[latent bay]

Todd

[red forge]

The guy in the shadow behind Barb was definitely Enclave.

[latent bay]

It was clearly the Nipton Lottery winner

[plush quest]

One of them was likely the real Mr. House watching while his body double represented him in the meeting

[red forge]

Yeah that was evident in the end, when the real House introduced himself to Cooper and explained what he knew of the meeting. He effectively pointed out that the "Man in the shadow" is who he did NOT know who that was. He said he knew there was another party there, but that's all he knew.

[stiff blade]

Nah, I doubt oliver swanick is that unlucky

Tho... I do shoot him in all my runs. That guy won the lottery? I want his cash lmao

[glass roost]

i shoot him in my runs because he's annoying

[lofty prairie]

Same lol, he won Caesar’s lottery but not my lottery

[lofty prairie]

Exactly bro yeahhh in his high pitch voice god id kill him if I was Vulpus

[lofty prairie]

Did you know if you go on google maps and look at Niptin fire department it has a one star rating, all the reviews say thet couldnt stop the legion one of them says 1/10 they had an annoying man there crucifying. It’s funny and if you look at Las Vegas im pretty sure some people have trolling sent images of them with mr house

[stiff blade]

I like new vegas

It seems the showrunners did their homework

Most of the endings have the NCR or Legion coming back in a year or so to fight the other...

Add in 15 years of conflict and a nuked former capital of the NCR, well. It'll probably shrink slightly

The other territories still exist, the Boneyard, New Reno, The Hub, junktown, Redding, The scrapheap... Oh Vault City, and the Necropolis

[minor gorge]

one would consider the endeavor of cold fusion to be a massive undertaking, as massive as the Institutes synth program. I think the criticism of the enclave's sudden and organized revival, enough to create a ground breaking power source is kina up there with "somehow Palatine returned"

I'd still really like some explanation how the prydwin, at the end of Fo4 suffering from massive over heating issues. maybe in those nine years they fixed everything but just a little dialogue or cutscene could have quelled most arguments about the story.

[minor gorge]

im not taking any answers from some synth ai!

[strong pine]

imagine him as the teacher of your least favorite subject in school

[red forge]

https://tenor.com/view/south-park-its-gone-gif-4104229

[lofty prairie]

Wait so was that guy a bot?

Everything about him has been erased lol

[red forge]

He was a support scammer.

[lofty prairie]

Oh ok…. I did report him for being weird, so he wasn’t a bot

Damn idk what happend while I was asleep my guy got erased

[red forge]

It was a scam regardless. It was one of those social media tech support accounts that come out of nowhere offering help.

[tidal tendon]

Let's move on from that please.

[lofty prairie]

Sorry I will

[versed path]

I finally just realized where the courier is

He's currently marching across the wasteland with a comically large bag filled with 37 gold bars at a pace slower than a snail

[lofty prairie]

He still hasn’t made it yet

[cloud quiver]

Why is the ghouls actor named Welding Goggles

Who names their kid that

[frozen bramble]

This guy would I bet

[tidal tendon]

sorry, was a bit flashy

[frozen bramble]

The tiniest bit..

[tight matrix]

Walton Goggins Goggle Glasses?

[alpine comet]

is cx404 called that because he shouldnt exist

therefore not being found

https://tenor.com/view/hmmmmmmm-hmmmmmm-hmmmm-hm-hmm-gif-2339932555530048784

[lofty prairie]

Who is Power? And why is he armouring?

[weak kayak]

Either that or he is hitting 360s off the top of Big MT

[tight matrix]

Who is D𝘪ck? And why on Earth is he Richardsoning?

[wraith goblet]

Who is John? And why is he Hancocking? 🤣

[lofty prairie]

Who is Arthur? And why is he Maxsoning?

[tight matrix]

Who is arch? And why is he Dornaning?

[zealous urchin]

So who exactly cleaned up vault 32? Betty all by herself

[lofty prairie]

It was John Bethesda

[lofty prairie]

They could have MR handys they clean

[zealous urchin]

Ahhhh yep

[tight matrix]

John Enclave

[lofty prairie]

Oh yeah

[plush quest]

We learn from Stephanie that Betty has spies working for her. It was probably them.

[zealous urchin]

Oh ok thank you

[stoic flicker]

Holy peak, the season 2 finale

[abstract bison]

can someone explain to me why cooper howard hates mr house so much?

[red forge]

Probably because he knew that having anything to do with "the richest main in the country" would be a bad idea.

[abstract bison]

but that led to him giving it to the wrong person anyways

[plush quest]

He was under the impression that House was the one who was going to end the world which started them off on the wrong foot.

Even when told that wasn’t the case, House came off as super paranoid and was spying on Coop the entire time, which Coop didn’t appreciate.

[novel plank]

And neither of them know about the 'other player at the table.'

[stoic flicker]

|| I think they should have saved the enclave name drop for the vary end ||

[frozen bramble]

Kind of hard to do when they already dropped it in the first episode of season 1

[stoic flicker]

I don't remember this, when did it happen?

[lofty prairie]

The enclave was shown in season one

And named

[red forge]

They were shown when CX404, aka Dogmeat, and Siggi were shown, in that compound.

[lofty prairie]

Also the bloke who talked to cooper after immediately digging him up mentioned a bounty coming in from the Enclave

[jolly olive]

Is it odd that I only kind of enjoy the fallout video games BUT absolutely love the tv show?

I try to play the games every once in a while but they just don’t hook and reel me in for long

I watched the show with my mum and it was great bonding experience

I am tempted to try the fallout table top rpg though see if I like that

[alpine comet]

Can anyone tell me if they use "Heartaches by the Numbers" in the fallout series? Dont tell me the episode if they do

[lofty prairie]

Yeah some games other than fallout do that for me, I know physiologically being with family makes an experience better, not saying your mother is what made it better but some mediums if you don’t like you’ll love in different form. I bet your the kind of guy that like watching cool zombie like gunslinger and not playing as one lmao which is fine.

[alpine comet]

soon as I heard the lady in the hospital say profligate, I looked up like this

https://tenor.com/view/bat-signal-batman-keaton-batman-keaton-bat-get-online-gif-8188089525554648501

[lofty prairie]

Same 😂

[honest blaze]

Hey so quick question but just based on everything that's happened in the show so far would you say that the "Yes Man" ending is canon?

You could also say that House cyber might have override Yes Man out of the Lucky 38

[spring basin]

I think the canon ending is still up for debate, and probably will never be directly confirmed.

[lofty prairie]

We literally see yes man’s body next to no signal monitor and NV is in disrepair it’s clear Whats canon

Whats not clear is the battle of Hoover dam what happend with that we only know pre HD and post HD

[crisp grail]

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Ella just took a BTS dumperino

[hushed kiln]

Lowkey hope season 3 we find out Goris is still alive

Have cooper run into the Talking Deathclaw from Fallout 2

I get it’s like 50 ish years

But eh who cares we don’t know how long they live

[spring basin]

https://tenor.com/view/idk-mhmm-not-sure-about-that-gif-14793379

[limpid edge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldq8_ZHaqd4

[honest blaze]

We also know that Caesar died from his tumor

His head was big big

[frosty wolf]

Oh yeah. He died from his tumor during my playthroughs. The tumor in question being a bullet courtesy of Boone

[frozen bramble]

We absolutely do not literally see yes man's body next to the no signal monitor. What we see, is a dead Securitron. You may have forgotten this, but he did have one of his "girls" in the tower with him in the same type of body.

Because that body is powered down, we have no way of knowing which personality construct was on it.

They don't want any one specific canon ending. That's why they left everything vague.

[versed path]

After realizing it

I feel like the courier at the end of Vegas just left and wandered the wastes

[latent bay]

My courier lives at the Big MT becoming the next Adam smasher with all that fancy tech and science

[tribal warren]

y did the securitrons not power back up when cold fusion was installed

[lofty prairie]

I am Caesar the legion dies with me

Looks like Joshua was right, even he knew that it couldnt have a ruler after Caesar it was that flawed

[honest blaze]

But Boone did say that Caesar had some successors already planned.

Then again they probably fought each other over control over the legion.

Because 15 years is more then enough time to cause a civil war between the legion

[lofty prairie]

Would explain why they are so small

[lofty prairie]

Prehaps the full legion like their out of state tribes have been dissolved

[livid bronze]

@trim oriole I hope you go out of commission because you ruined the example

[honest blaze]

Pre-war House would obviously act different tho

[livid bronze]

Ok let me just forward this to the Fallout 76 server for a meme

[frosty wolf]

Do y’all think Management mentioned in the show is a reference to the Enclave since Ik Orlando in FO76 is Enclave and refers to her bosses/boss as Management?

[plush quest]

Nah management is a pretty generic term used in a ton of organizational structures

Management in Orlando’s case is almost certainly just “Mr. Otis” aka MODUS, who likely isn’t directly associated with anyone from Vault Tec in the show

[blazing stream]

https://youtu.be/CvmAY4MRVLA

🤣

I dont need to argue anymore. Just post this

[tribal warren]

yeah no thanks. I'll get my conclusion from the story's end when it happens, not a random youtube video from "Chad".

[blazing stream]

Bro doesn't even know who Chad Nobark Noonan is. Smh, didn't even play FNV

[tribal warren]

This is the fallout TV series chat. No i don't know who that is, I never pretended to. I don't like new vegas.

[crisp grail]

https://x.com/falloutonprime/status/2024921346749407546

FALLOUT⚡️ (@falloutonprime)

Filming Season Two was a blast!!!

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X · Feb 20, 2026, 6:57 PM

bts from Prime

[tribal warren]

Cant wait for some behind the scenes/sneak peaks or leaks for Season 3 😄

[glass roost]

the writing is a disaster but at least its thematically correct enough that i can accept it as "alternate universe fallout" in my own head canon

its not like those idiots who did the halo series where they couldnt even get the setting right

my general rule of thumb for whether a show is good or not is whether or not my senior citizen father will sit there and watch it without falling asleep, or turning it off and doing something else. in that respect, show is good.

[versed path]

tbf if the yesman ending is real, its possible yesman betrays the courier causing him to go into hiding like dust

[red forge]

So wanting to think the Fallout show is an alternate timeline, yet won't acknowledge that the Halo TV series was in fact written to be an alternative timeline to the games...
That's kinda hypocritical.

People wanted Halo to be canon, but the writing did not do that. People dumped the show.
Fallout show is canon, yet people use head canon to say it's not, and crap on the show.

Either keep the cake, or eat it.

[alpine comet]

why does harkness say hot dog so much

[crisp grail]

[astral cave]

Duality of the average fallout fan

[crisp grail]

its an old saying

so assuming its supposed to be picked up from magazines or radio plays etc

[frozen bramble]

Hot diggedy dog is another popular variation of the phrase

[frozen bramble]

The writers already said they didn't want to commit to a single specific ending while making the show. Pretty sure that means there is still no Canon ending to New Vegas. The show alludes to various different plot lines throughout the 2nd season. Some of which were only possible by siding with one faction over the another. And yet the show plays on our nostalgia, and leans into multiple different story lines throughout.

Stupid autocorrect..

The way the 2nd season ends, has hints that multiple different endings could've been possible. And it does this for a reason. Because it is based on one of the most beloved entries in the series. And that entry does not have a canon ending. It's open-ended for a reason. And that's why they don't commit to canonizing a specific ending in the show as it would ruin the game for new players that the show brings in.

And let's not kid ourselves here.. the show doesn't just bring in ad revenue, and subscription fees for prime. Bethesda profits too via, whatever deal they have in place with Amazon -AND- all the new people who are drawn in by the show but never played the games before. Who then go and buy the games.. games that with the exception of 76 and possibly still Fallout 4.. haven't really been making money anymore since they were released so long ago.. but now the demand is there for them to be played by new crowds of fans.. new crowds of.. paying customers.

Sorry for the text wall btw

[red forge]

Yeah this is the problem when it comes to translation between media.
Games give choice, for replayability.
TV and movies, at least this day in age, need to set 1 fixed narrative. It can't offer that same choice.

[frozen bramble]

Which is exactly why they were vague about how the story was continuing off of the supposed ending of the game.

Sure not every ending from the game would make sense in the context of how the show starts, but it isn't limited to just one that could lead to the outcome that is found in the show.

Obviously we know that Caesar's legion ending didn't happen if nothing else.

[crisp grail]

I really liked how they handled it. While obviously not EVERY CHOICE from your playthrough can be possible given the show ... the most important ones could all of happened

[red forge]

This has now made me imagine that the canon "ending" could be decided akin to the fight between the 2 caesars.

In fact... that could be a meta reference right there. The whole thing about the stalemate and the note is reflection of the debate of which ending is canon 🤣

[minor gorge]

exactly. I mean, it's more than Bethesda or the writers did to explain anything

but it seems some angry mod deleted my posts

[blazing stream]

Very true, very true

[stoic flicker]

https://youtu.be/HRJvrmMSGGE

Here's a view on the matter

Don't know if its my view per say

But im more then happy to fan the flames

[red forge]

With the amount of division in the community of what is/is not canon, don't think I feel inclined to watch that.

[autumn jay]

Was the wrong eye the one steph lost in episode 7? Im confused. It looks like the wrong eye was hurt when she looked in the mirror.

[red forge]

That scene we are looking the mirror's perspective. We're not seeing her face directly, so it's correct.

[devout notch]

Maybe it's been said already, but I really do not care about the dino in novac being turned or the pole added outside the atomic wrangler or any of that. Keeping lookout from the dino and the "One for my baby" mission are still possible at the angle the dino is at and of course the real life locations would look different than the games, the games are like 4% the size of what the entire area should actually be, so of course light poles/infrastructure would look slightly different from the games' close approximation

That's just my thought on the sets and settings

[autumn jay]

Oh ok. It seemed like an error

So then if houses body is dead, is cold fusion the only thing keeping house alive? If someone takes cold fusion is he offline again? That part bothers me

I dont like that cold fusion is all that keeps house around. If it is taken or destroyed house is gone again? I dont like that.

[red forge]

That hasn't been made clear.

Yet.

[lofty prairie]

The lion doesn’t concern itself with such details

[minor gorge]

https://youtube.com/shorts/LWMiGLA4OKE

[minor gorge]

https://youtube.com/shorts/ItMQ93qWGnY

https://youtube.com/shorts/kIPL3aXKro0

I love the narration is all in 9mm

[autumn jay]

I just dont want my house to go away

2043_Cat_Crying

[grizzled gate]

I really appreciate them going full physical props with the BoS, but kinda hope they go in and either retool the suits or start digitally adjusting parts of them. The fingers on the hands, and the hips look particularly cheap in motion.

[stiff blade]

Kinda

Think of it like this: he uploaded a copy of his brain to the lucky 38 casino.

What we see isn't House per se...

It's a copy of him. Like a brainscan

And bc they're using old school 50s computers, running that takes a ton of power

The cold fusion thingy... which. I have a feeling will be taken from house so Quintus can make his knockoff liberty prime

[tribal warren]

Yes a good Cliffhanger for the show's writers to add. We don't know what has happened to house's body or what exactly the incarnation we see on the monitors is. Clever wording & keeping it very vague has paid off i'd say. I suspect that will be a subplot in S3. It's nice getting new canon & stories, instead of having to make headcanon or overanalyze the games to force a conclusion.

[autumn jay]

This is what worries me. I dont want house gone. And if cold fusion is the only thing keeping him alive that's not good

[stiff blade]

That's the good news he isn't alive in the normal sense

Just like a computer. Take away the PSU cable and it's still the same computer

[tribal warren]

I feel this too. But, we don't yet know if he is dead. Maybe it was just his double that was in the chamber. Maybe he had some backup plan where securitrons would amputate his head & set him up like the congresswoman that we see in the show, but controlling the 38's computer systems etc.

[autumn jay]

All I want is house to stay alive. Everytime we get a new faction that can change the world Bethesda blows them up. Like the institute. Keep house alive

[stiff blade]

Or. We get a faction that builds up for a hundred years... Only to get blown up

[tribal warren]

Team house 🤝💪

[autumn jay]

Yes. House is a great character. It'd be a shame for them to take him out and kill him for good.

[lofty prairie]

The house always wins

[autumn jay]

I hope

[sturdy tundra]

Strictly speaking we don't know that his body's actually gone

He might've just relocated it for safety and is still alive

[sturdy tundra]

It's also likely stuff's simply changed in the 15 years between FNV and the show.

Signs were damaged and fixed/replaced, new lights got put in, someone might've nuked the dino and they had to stand it back up

[plush quest]

I’m pretty sure House already basically managed to upload his consciousness into a digital format by the time we meet him in NV. Cold Fusion just allows him to be online indefinitely

[stiff blade]

I think stuff like Dinky being the other way was a film set thing yk?

It looks so much better in the show IMO

[stiff blade]

The brain upload is up until he dies, either by the courier or others

And yeah IK he uses bodydoubles. But odds are the house we see ingame is the real house

[plush quest]

Which means he basically perfected the tech needed to do that over 200 years. At that point Cold Fusion is just a battery

His body may have just been what’s been powering his program for so long

As soon as Coop puts Cold Fusion in, it basically is like flipping a switch back on

[split plank]

just blew the head of a mongrol dog and realised i dont think i saw one of those in the TV show can someone conferm if there was some mongrol dogs?

[dusk thicket]

They are locked up along with the Platinum Chip, The Prydwin's impressiveness, and Legate Lanius' imposing height.

Apparently rads make everything bigger accept for Macaulay Culkin. He apparently shrunk in the 15 years between NV and the show. Dude is 5'6

[astral cave]

Hah my height

[red forge]

Sometimes producers would want a specific person in mind to play the part.

[steep raven]

Mr. Cabin

[grizzled gate]

I hope there's a Think Tank running the Enclave base in S3. I've always loved that robot design and they were originally conceptualized for Van Buren.

[exotic stone]

@grizzled gate What would a Think Tank be doing for the Enclave?

[tribal warren]

thinkin. real hard. about important enclave things. Analyzing results of the various vault experiments, planning the new world order, probably

[wraith goblet]

Ya know now I think of it, I haven’t seen any Mongrols dogs… I think if they do bring em into the show, they should or probably would look like those zombie dogs from the resident evil movies, ya know? Know what I mean? lol

[frozen bramble]

https://tenor.com/view/ernest-know-what-i-mean-jim-varney-gif-808251499646301187

I'm sorry. My brain is hardwired to read that sentence in his voice, always

Personally, I'd rather see a mutant hound instead of a mongrel.

But like.. one that started out as a Chihuahua..

All the mutant hounds in game look like they're just beefy green bulldogs. I'd like to see them with a bit more variety. And the show is the perfect place for that.

Mutant mastiff would be good too

Or dachshund

[wraith goblet]

Oh yeah that too, that be cool 😎

[tribal warren]

i could see them meeting up with the supermutant who sells dogs & lucy thinkgs it's awesome until she learns that bad people buy them too. something wacky like that.

or maybe cooper drops off dogmeat there for safekeeping as he ventures into some very grim situation, and later on lucy visits this place and rescues dogmeat. If she is still with maximus and thaddeus tags along, maybe she even has to convince thaddeus to drop his big cap stash on buying back dogmeat.

[exotic stone]

What would happen if Norm met the NCR?

[tribal warren]

i think he would quickly rise ranks & solve the corruption issue in a very direct way that the NCR is not used too.

[latent bay]

They would shoot him for having a disappointing story arc in season 2

[exotic stone]

What were you expecting from his story arc?

[latent bay]

Something interesting

Just kept losing steam each episode

I wanted better for my boy norm

[tribal warren]

I felt that watching his interview after the ep where he gets knocked out & they kept asking what's in store for norm & what does the situation look like in the future and his answer boiled down to: nothing, still bad

and then what we saw was basically that. His character just gets treated like a punching bag & there isn't much follow-up to that scene. Hopefully they do more with him in season 3. I mean even || lucy walks right by the intercom as he asks if anyone's out there || like come on guys plant a seed at least for him to come into S3 strong..

but if im being totally honest i think they will keep his story sandboxed for most of S3 and maybe S4 is more norm focused. Probably gonna make it some "claudia & norm vs the awoken manager" that seemed like he died but he is probably fine and will wake up and start persuing them.

[karmic lily]

The forced comedy really ruined it for me

It was too childish and cartoony

[glass roost]

thats bethout in a nutshell

[tribal warren]

Eh, I liked it. Each to their own.

[exotic stone]

What did you like about it Wild potato?

[red forge]

I can respect the criticism that the show has drawn some issues to do with some continuity issues, but overall I felt the show did the job it needed to.
Given the history of the industry game to TV/movie adaptations has been generally not been well received, this show has triumphed where others have failed.
There's no requirement in the industry for writers to have played any of the games. What matters is the source content is respected enough for writing to be faithful enough to the intent of what is to be produced.

[exotic stone]

On the opposite side of the spectrum, I actually was impressed and surprised there were some pretty mature moments that definitely wouldn't be considered childish or meant for kids to watch. I thought it was going to end up like a Disneyfied version of Fallout, but it turned out obsessively focused on the world of Fallout and won an award.

[red forge]

Childish? Not sure what that's about...
The show does have its comical moments, but that's about it. It's not meant to be taken full serious.

In Australia, episodes have been rated MA15+ (must be 15 and older) or R (18+).

It's definitely not intended for kids.

[exotic stone]

I have seen a different show that had actually escalated into overly childish territory, and so I can safely say that Fallout is very hyperfocused on its lore and the Environmental Storytelling with some comical moments mixed in

[red forge]

So that's where I feel there's going to be misunderstanding. I don't know what people are considering "childish".

[plush quest]

Let’s not act like the source material isn’t childish and silly sometimes as well

Stuff like Wacky Wasteland and weird random encounters helps make Fallout feel like Fallout

[red forge]

This is also kinda my point. The source material is not all 100% doom and gloom.

[exotic stone]

I'm glad it's not all 100 percent Doom and gloom, seeing shows or reading books that are always Doom and gloom is exhausting

[latent bay]

Only fallout 2s excessive pop culture references which the devs themselves regret putting in

It was still grounded in realism, dark things and funny things both happen in real life

The tv series has too far in the goofy direction, it's like it's set in an alternative timeline where every character has the wild wasteland trait 😂

[exotic stone]

Goofiness is definitely a broad and diverse spectrum, I usually see nuclear post apocalypses in book form or video game form, so seeing it played out in a show form is very fascinating.

[alpine zealot]

Defiance is the best post post apocalypse sci fi show

[latent bay]

Yea defiance is pretty fun

[spring basin]

I gotta revist it. I remember watching S1 while it was airing, but I never got hooked.

[latent bay]

I only have a few episodes left of s1

The mmo got me hooked on it

[minor gorge]

So my thoughts are: The Ghoul according to Bethesda: "My whole reason for going on is to find my family. I won't rest until I find my family."
Also The Ghoul according to Bethesda: "I'm going to be a Bounty Hunter and live on the East coast for a while."

And the general response I get is: He traveled to the East Coast to find his family and was a bounty hunter to make ends meet while looking. Pretty simple.

SO my further question is: Why would , when I looking for a missing person, my first inclination is to travel to the opposite side of the country, on foot, from Los Angeles, California all the way to West Virginia. On a good day, without radioactive fallout, total destruction of civilization and a Midwest filled with more dangers than Australia, it takes a person almost a full year to walk from one end of America to the other. with no idea where or how his wife and child vanished, traveling that far, that long.

So is the bottom line is I just need to accept this for the sake of the show and the game?

[lofty prairie]

Yeah the Midwest alone and on foot is literally not survivable, Thats what separates east from west. Idk tho i was wondering the same. Prehaps he already spent 10 years looking all around the western area went east to look then came back? I suppose maybe he quadruple checked states and stuff.

200 years means you’d have to look at the same places more than once

[latent bay]

How dare you question bad writing!

[spare nova]

He probably knew about the bunker under whitesprings and assumed his family was there

That's not bad writing

[exotic stone]

It may seem awkward at times, but it's awkwardness is actually relatable.

[plush quest]

Technically Vault 63 was a vault for “management.” Hugo Stoltz was a VT board member

And he doesn’t necessarily need to travel through the Midwest. He could’ve gone through the South

The South would be a sick name for a wasteland, like the Mojave or the Commonwealth

[stray granite]

Vault 63 more like a vault for himself and his family,with his workers.So,technically,i don't think it count as “management”.

[plush quest]

yeah that's why I put management in quotes. most people wouldn't know that information so The Ghoul probably just knows a VT big wig lived there. Assuming that's why he's even in the area in the first place

I'd personally like it better if he's looking for a special vault in Ohio. There's a weird lack of vaults there

[minor gorge]

that's a lot of maybes and possible and could be. in a literature term we call that an deus ex machina.

im not going to take in one hand, Bethesda themselves telling us how they honor the lore, followed the story, and will give fans what they want, then in this series leave it all down to " somehow Palatine returned"

sorry I just can't kiss my brains Good bye like that

[plush quest]

that's not what a deus ex machina is...

[minor gorge]

Deus ex machina is a plot device where an unsolvable, hopeless crisis is suddenly and unexpectedly resolved by an contrived, unexpected intervention

[plush quest]

where's the intervention?

you're just talking about loose threads

[minor gorge]

you guys telling me "it just happened somehow" is quiet contrived and unexpected intervention by the writers and Bethesda

[plush quest]

leaving open ended questions isn't the same plot device as a deus ex machina

[minor gorge]

and now your splitting hairs

[plush quest]

just clarifying so you don't misuse it in the future

[minor gorge]

you can't reasonably explain to me how the ghoul can make it from La to wv and back

[plush quest]

I can't. but that's not what a deus ex machina is

[minor gorge]

*it just happened " is bad writing and you hounding on my bad argument terminology is not an answer

[plush quest]

it just defeats you're credibility when you call something a deux ex machina trying to sound smart

[minor gorge]

my guy even if I got the faulty argument definition correct, you'd still demand an essay of fully resources to which you would respond "NU UH!"

so im done talking with you on this at 1 am

[plush quest]

nah i'm just trying to say things nicely

i typed a lot meaner things but thought you didn't deserve it

[minor gorge]

right.

[spare nova]

You don’t get to be rude like this when you are also blatantly getting words wrong. You fundamentally misunderstand concepts like what a deus ex machina is while insisting other people have lost their brains.

The man in the show literally says he’s wandered for centuries looking for vaults his family might be in. It’s not unreasonable to assume that he would’ve found his way to West Virginia—where one of the most heavily advertised vaults pre-war was located, to look for his family there.

[grizzled gate]

He had a horse, at least until someone or something probably ate it.

[alpine zealot]

"somehow palpatine returned"

😁

[latent bay]

https://tenor.com/view/don’t-smile-don't-laugh-trying-not-to-laugh-funny-giggle-gif-6467512265182122147

When the audience has to desperately fill in the blanks for the writers, it's bad writing

[red forge]

It's writing of TV media based on existing game media.
This is a TV show they've written, not a series of novels.

Or did I miss that you might be being sarcastic? 🤔

What you wrote could be read either way.

[latent bay]

Amazon has billions, Bethesda has multimillions, they can both afford to hire good writers and double check the lore to give us a decent explanation now and then, just because it's a game doesnt mean it has to be low effort story telling where we have to do the work for them unless of course they add a questline where we help the ghoul look around for vaults and stuff

Hopefully he can give us a decent explanation

The ghoul was the only part of s2 I liked

I like him

https://tenor.com/view/walton-goggins-cooper-howard-the-ghoul-fallout-fotv-gif-17970837045648198342

[red forge]

Different media in the franchise tell the overall story differently, especially when the story from the games was already established since 30 - 1 years ago (at the time of this posting). There's only so much they can condense into TV/movie media.
The Warcraft movie had the same issue. It had 2 hours of screentime to condense 20 years worth of in-game lore from both the games AND the novels.
If the show is as bad as people claim, it wouldn't have the ratings that it has. To each their own opinion, but the numbers are there.

[latent bay]

Something can be bad and popular, dont forget most people who watched the tv series had no idea what fallout was, they are tourists, look at the star wars sequels, each new release the numbers plummeted more and more with each film, numbers dont mean a food product, lots of people love junk food but that doesnt make it good for you

I enjoyed the live action super Mario film but that doesnt change the fact its crap xD

And last I checked s2 numbers were lower than season 1

[red forge]

dont forget most people who watched the tv series had no idea what fallout was, they are tourists

Oh I'm not forgetting this at all. In fact, I feel this is the anti are doing.
They think the show is meant to be written for the dedicate followers of the franchise.
While that would be cool, it's also has to expand its outreach to not overwhelm new viewers or not bore them for whatever reason they may feel turned off from continuing to watch it.

You can't just deliver a new media to attract a new broad audience if the intended audience is only those who play the games. That would be considered bad marketing.

[latent bay]

The problem is the quality of the franchise has suffered because of trying to attract the normies to make money, this is why I strongly support gatekeeping because the average joe ruins everything 😂

[red forge]

OK we're going to have to agree to disagree. I don't argue with gatekeepers. bye

[latent bay]

https://tenor.com/view/point-and-laugh-schadenfreude-squid-game-hilarious-haha-gif-23450682

[alpine zealot]

rage quit 🤣

[alpine zealot]

the natural defense mechanism of the tourist

[latent bay]

Quite so my dear quite so

It's funny also because I like s1 despite how terrible it was 😂

Had some good ideas that it sadly just executed terribly

[alpine zealot]

Amazon do that alot

[latent bay]

Only half decent thing I've seen on amazon lately is that supernatural show with what's his name

Kevin something

Bacon!

https://tenor.com/view/bacon-kevin-bacon-cooking-oscar-mayer-actor-gif-6625120090734255896

[spare nova]

Why are yall like that

Like you’re just unnecessarily rude and disrespectful

[latent bay]

https://tenor.com/view/snoop-dogg-dancing-fun-funny-dance-dance-moves-gif-10051361099218732674

[frozen bramble]

At least they're staying more true to the source material this time around. It may not be perfect.. but Amazon could always do worse.

You know full well they can because they have in the past

They completely re-wrote and ruined Wheel of Time, which I will never forgive them for as it's my favorite book series of all time..

Imagine if they did that with fallout? So while you may complain that isn't good enough.. it certainly could be worse.

Personally I think it's fine. Season 1, 7 1/2 out of 10 season 2, 6 1/2 out of 10

[latent bay]

God I remember what they did to wheel of time, I'd take fallout over that mess

[exotic stone]

Despite the awkwardness mentioned in the show by the critics.
I'm just glad that we have a Fallout series that is very hyperfocused on making sure the show is obsessively grounded in the Fallout world, and that it got awards for it's success.
Not a lot of adaptations work well. But this one did.

[fierce stag]

Rewatching some parts of season 2 and while I was a little unsure on my first viewing, goddamn, I've been thoroughly sold on Justin Theroux as House. He feels perfect

[lofty prairie]

Ong, a lot of people fail to realise this, yes it’s imperfect and some stuff are questionable to the lore BUT THANK GOD it’s not like the halo tv series. The directors of that show went with the flow and passionately have said they’ve never played the games. Atleast to some degree Todd and Johnathan are gamers, even if it’s kinda bad sometimes.

IMO love or hate the show, the fallout tv series to date is the best adaptation to a game series, like it’s almost one for one on certain areas and when they make mistakes they try and stay consistent. I actually apart from maybe FNAF movies (even then thats iffy) cannot think of another show or movie thats been heavily faithful to games, correct me if im wrong and theres more but I haven’t seen any.

[plush quest]

I’m glad it didn’t go the Borderlands route and cast Chris Pratt as House or anything

They kind of did with McCully Culkin as Caesar though

[lofty prairie]

Yes im glad aswell, they didn’t shy from using actors that people maybe outside of US had never heard off. Cuz in all seriousness as an Australian I’d never heard of Walton goggins and hes smashed the ghoul performance

[plush quest]

But I’d have to see more of his performance

[marble meadow]

Chris Pratt slander is crazy

[marble meadow]

They’ve done that with more than just McCauley tho, throughout season 1 and 2 theres been a bunch of less popular actors

[plush quest]

Walton Goggins has been around for a while but didn’t really reach internationally

[lofty prairie]

Yeah that’s why hes new for me his role in fallout has made him international and honestly good for him

He played a ghoul gunslinger so well

[marble meadow]

Goggins acting methods are peak

[lofty prairie]

Yeah like the Philly bullet issue where they had to cut off cuz they put like a 308 in a revolver lol

[plush quest]

Goggins absolutely loves doing Westerns and he’s dang good at it too

I first saw him Tarantino’s Hateful Eight

[lofty prairie]

They gonna put me in the movies, im gonna be on the big screen

[plush quest]

There’s a western movie podcast he was a guest on and you can really tell they had an effect on him from a real young age

He basically lives on a Montana country ranch

[lofty prairie]

Fire idk what montanas like but sounds nice

[plush quest]

Montana is nice. It’s where you see a lot of Buffalo

Big Sky country they call it

[lofty prairie]

Cool

[lavish cosmos]

Yeah, I have problems with the pacing and other things but I agree that it is one of the best video game adaptations out there. I was getting kinda bored with it but the last two episodes gave me hope.

[mossy echo]

I kinda have a feeling that ||the uranium that got inserted into Cooper will eventually turn him into a glowing one|| but sadly it will be right before he gets to his family in s3 or s4 (hope) which means he won’t be able to hold them when he does get to them… the sad tragedy of it all is that he will have to be put down, hopefully as a “good man” and right before he goes feral. War never changes.

[frozen bramble]

We don't know specifically what type of radioactive element was placed in him. For all we know it could be ultracite. As far as the timeline is concerned, more than enough time has passed for it to have traveled across country, from one trader to the next. Given that 76 takes place 25 to 27 years after the bombs and the current storyline of the show is nearly two full centuries later.

But that's not the point I want to discuss

[devout notch]

Feo, Fuerte, y Formal

Would be a perfect callback

[frozen bramble]

It's more to the point that if they wanted to simply heal the ghoul, they would have held it up over the wound and then put it away back in the lantern it came from.

The camera specifically zoomed in and focused directly on the radioactive material being placed inside the wound and showing it sealing up around it.

THAT, ladies and gentlemen, is what you call foreshadowing

Whether he becomes a glowing one or something else entirely, that specific action is foreshadowing some big change for him in the future.

It is a very important detail not to be overlooked.

[mossy echo]

That’s a valid point, maybe it is Ultracite and considering that The Ghoul did travel to Appalachia, it could be considered a nice little Easter egg.

[frozen bramble]

Exactly. It's probably just uranium but it would be a super awesome Easter egg if they used ultracite instead

[red forge]

I wonder if he'll become unique, as in a "Glowing One" who retains his sanity, as opposed to zombified.

[frozen bramble]

They could go that route.. they can also turn him into a wendigo if they want to.. since those are now a type of ghoul by 76's lore

And every wendigo is a type of glowing one too

[mossy echo]

The problem is because he gives off radiation, if he does go glowing, he won’t be able to Janey or Barbara, without hurting them, he may as well die

If the writers wanted to go exceptionally tragic, I think this would be the way to do it or better yet give him a redemption arc where he does get to see his family and confirm that they did indeed survive and live on, but unfortunately, he has to go feral to tear apart an enclave base where they are at or something so at least he doesn’t die a monster.

[grizzled gate]

If he does become a glowing one, it'll probably be brief. I can't imagine them going so far with practical effects in these early seasons only to cover Walton Goggins in LEDs and motion capture sensors to they can add him digitally later. Check out the behind the scenes for the Watchmen movie to see how they did Dr. Manhattan on-set.

[mossy echo]

Yeah, definitely brief. Once I see a slight “glint” of green, I know it will be the beginning of the end for the character.

[frozen bramble]

Not necessarily

For one thing we don't know the status of Janey. At the start of the season they were both far too close when the nukes went off to get to safety and yet somehow he managed to get her to his ex-wife and the two were able to get to safety somewhere. First we thought it was that management vault but then we find out she clearly left and went elsewhere with Janey.

But the likelihood that Janey herself isn't partially a ghoul? Yeah I don't know about that. She definitely got irradiated from those nukes going off

Plus they tried to escape on horseback.. there's no way in heck they got far enough away in a short enough amount of time to avoid the radiation while on horseback

It's just not possible

Now the show might gloss this fact over and she could be perfectly fine whenever they do reunite but I'm not going to hold my breath for that

[minor gorge]

and you don't get to be insulting when you , yourself, by yourself , cant explain how things happened other than "A lot can happen in 15 years" and parroting what fan boys of the series say. I love wing commander, From beginning to end. But it doesn't stop me from pretending the movie never existed. The fans of the TV series are just that. You don't want to critically or even objectively explain how in the world the Series can make sense other than what you are fed. When presented with simple and overt contrivances, all folks like you do is automatically hate Fallout New Vegas and their fans, then tell us how Bethesda nailed it when it came to explain everything that was a direct result of Fallout New Vegas. You can't have it both ways, but you somehow pretend it works. You've become so entrenched in supporting a product you physically are, kissing your brains good bye to accept the notion, there is nothing THAT wrong with the series that needs any criticism.

You folks even view two paragraphs as "TLDR" which tells me how much of a goldfish view of this show so many are leaning on.

I want series I love to succeed. But to get an absolute, "Nothing's wrong here, perfectly normal." Come on. Be real

[lofty prairie]

Woah woah woah ladies calm down

I see a wall of text and think oh dear an argument

[red forge]

No one has said the show is perfect.

What the debacle the other day was about was gatekeeping attitude being toxic and killing civil discussion.

That's what I withdrew from.

[spare nova]

There’s so much assumption here, not just of my own character, but of anyone who would consider themselves a fan of the show. I promise you enjoying a television show is not a personal attack on you or your favorite video game. It’s a bit odd and antisocial to attribute this much malice toward people who disagree with you about a media property.

[mossy echo]

First world problems, arguing on an online social forum about a tv show

Bravo. Does anyone feel better now?

Anyway, the Enclave, what do we think “Phase 2” is and how could it potentially relate to FO5?

[versed path]

phase 2 is FEV I feel.

breeding genetically pure, radiation free super managers.

[mossy echo]

Hmmmm that would be wild indeed. Cool idea.

[plush quest]

Chet just feels right as an intelligent Super Mutant

I hope whatever Stage 2 is lets the vault dwellers keep their mental faculties. Mutants are always more interesting when they aren't totally motivated by bloodlust.

[mossy echo]

Looking forward to more super Mutant Ron Pearlman

[frozen bramble]

Nah, they already have their super managers. The fev would be for making the ideal workforce out of the remaining vault residents.

Probably meant to coincide with the mind control devices

A strong workforce that can thrive in a post apocalyptic hellscape that is as obedient as can be.

Mark my words on it right now, the results of the two different experiments are meant to be used together.

[minor gorge]

There is no assumption what so ever. Any and every critical criticism of the Fallout TV show has been met with "You're just a hater" on to "You're just a grifter," to the ever intelligent "lol" You making my comments into some attack is no different than the responses received even before the questions were asked. "kissing your brains good bye," is no different than the observation of those who have accepted the series unquestionably and just scoffed at any rebuttal. You are making this into some personal crusade to label my comments as attacking the person when all my conclusions were, are a result of observations. You cannot dismiss so many glaring contractions and diversions from everything that came before the series and say, I am merely attacking people and being anti social. The VERY point of a public forum is to allow discussion. That does not mean I must entertain empty points of view, devoid or reason backed up with comments like yours and similar kinds..

[spare nova]

👍

[tribal warren]

https://tenor.com/view/fallout-fallout-ghoul-fallout-show-lucy-lucy-maclean-gif-9539802680553930034

[latent bay]

https://tenor.com/view/ohh-gif-20748683

Lol apparently that drink is vile irl

[minor gorge]

I've had my fair share of Jones Soda's in college, Bring it on coach!

[latent bay]

Fair lol

[plush quest]

It’s like root beer but stronger on the anise flavor

[latent bay]

I always feel sad when I've collected 50 sunset caps

[plush quest]

Anise is a primary ingredient in licorice

[latent bay]

Once you get pew pew its joever

[minor gorge]

Erh, I really really dont like black licorice...maybe Ill pass this one time and save myself the 15 caps

[plush quest]

There’s a plan in 76 called Long Pew. I spent so long looking in the weapons workbench for a cool laser gun only to find out it meant like a church pew

[latent bay]

Kek

New vegas doesnt have as many mods as I remember it having as a kid, nexus feels smaller

This saddens me

[tribal warren]

i polished a 12 of sunset sarsparilla this weekend. It was pretty good I thought. Could be abit "heavier" but hard to complain about a light root beer. Always liked Jones myself.

[spare nova]

I liked the sarsaparilla though the quantum was my favorite of the ones they made

[mossy echo]

I can give you an e-hug. That’s my best offer

[latent bay]

Does it come with a cash gift?

[proper shuttle]

As a enjoyer of both black licorice and root beer I shall enjoy this sarsaparilla

[frozen bramble]

Actual sarsaparilla doesn't taste like black licorice

It is bittersweet but not in the same way

It has a very strong kick too.

It's also carcinogenic and isn't legal to produce in most countries around the world.. most.. but not all. You can still get it in some places.

[tribal warren]

i sort of figured it wouldn't be real sarsaparilla. But i have never had that for real anyways, so my expectations were already in line.

Also, really wanted the nuka quantum, but only finding the sarsaparilla packs here unfortunately.

[frozen bramble]

I have had it before, got it from an Asian market, it has a very strong medicinal taste that took a while to get used to. I absolutely did not like it at first. But I paid for a case of it, so I was going to drink it anyway.

[sullen kiln]

Alright that is enough with the bickering. People are entitled to their opinions, but please be respectful and nice to each other.

[tribal warren]

did you mean to post that here? last post was march 4th...

[sullen kiln]

https://klipy.com/gifs/kenan-thompson-snl-2

[tribal warren]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-squarepants-two-hours-later-six-and-a-half-hours-later-card-spongebob-two-hours-later-six-and-a-half-hours-later-spongebob-squarepants-gif-11815651255385453722

[fierce stag]

My thoughts on season 2 feel so complicated rn 😭

On the one hand there's so much that I like but also plenty that I'm not super fond of

Plus things that I initally didn't like and came around to, along with things that I don't mind but still consider issues because of how the show doesn't really delve into them as much as I think it should

The more I think on it the more I do think the show probably should've established more definitively what the canon ending was for New Vegas. I can appreciate the sentiment of wanting to keep it open ended, but I don't think you're sacrificing what makes a player's unique experience special by grounding one ending as the official one.

Fallout 1 and 2 have very clear "canon" endings, and I'd say it's relatively clear by now what the canon ending for Fallout 4 is, so by not doing the same for New Vegas, I think the show kinda did more harm to itself than was necessary by making things a bit needlessly confusing

You don't even have to go into specifics honestly, just ground either the House ending or Yes Man as the canon one, because you can still expand on the aftermath to both those endings in order to get where the show wanted. You just need to actually address things like what the Enclave did to the Strip more clearly, which I don't think the show did too well

Subtly is definitely a good thing in some areas, show don't tell is a saying for a reason. But there are a lot of aspects to this show where I think an actual clear answer was needed as opposed to leaving the viewer to essentially fill in the gaps with their own headcanon (ie, Oxhorn's proposal for a House Ending with later Enclave interference, etc)

[red forge]

Fallout 1 and 2 have very clear "canon" endings

I think this is the crucial part here that you've highlighted yourself.
If a game/story has 1 singular ending, then it's absolute.
But not all the games have a single ending. When "player choice" of ending is introduced as a gameplay element, that has yet to translate into TV/movie media.

[fierce stag]

I mean, I think the show has done exactly that with Fallout 4. Sure, there's not been official outright confirmation, but I'd say it's all but certain atp that the Brotherhood ending is what the show is going off of as the canon ending.

Sure, player choice matters with the game itself, but in order to progress the overarching narrative, definitive outcomes do sorta need to be outlined in sequel material

[frozen bramble]

I strongly disagree with you on that. 12 years have passed since the ending of Fallout 4 and that's more than enough time for the brotherhood to rebuild the prydwen in the event of The institute ending occuring.

Plus everybody seems to be focusing on the wrong thing here. You seem to forget that if the brotherhood had wiped out the institute they would have had no reason to stay in the Commonwealth and would have returned to where they came from. And yet the show specifically highlights that they're still in the Commonwealth fighting some sort of enemy all these years later. Who would that be if not the institute? You think it could be the railroad after 12 years if the institute was gone? You think they couldn't wipe out the minutemen in that time?

It just doesn't add up

[opal condor]

They wouldn't just up and leave the commonwealth they stay there and continue to gather tech plus anything could of happened enclave could of done something given how the commonwealth chapter is the chapter that's beating the enclave 2 times and they probably want pay back

[frozen bramble]

Right I didn't suggest they up and left. I'm specifically suggesting they'd've stayed long enough to rebuild after the battle. But eventually, yes, they'd return to their home base if they'd already wiped out the institute like they planned. The only reason they'd still be there is if the institute wasn't wiped out.

[plush quest]

The 4 ending still has some ambiguity. There's a version of the Minutemen ending where they don't destroy the Prydwn and kill Maxon The difference between the Minutemen ending or the BoS ending being cannon would be whether or not Maxon's BoS has control of a functioning Liberty Prime.

[fierce stag]

I'm really not sure why people take so much issue with Hank's comment about House and his goals with the Automated Man

Not that I think Hank is right; I don't think he is at all, but isn't that kinda obvious? Young Hank didn't even know the real House, he seemingly only got a chance to interact with his body double. And at that, he didn't really seem to know all that much about why House created the Automated Man other than that it was in exchange for Cold Fusion technology from Vault Tec

And even though Hank definitely isn't an idiot, I don't think it's a stretch to say that he's just straight up wrong about House's intentions. We've already seen that happen in the show with Moldaver.

[grizzled gate]

It'd be funny if the Automated Man project was only barely functional enough to get House in the door, and he never had any plan or idea on where to go with it long-term. They worked well enough to be a proof of concept.

[haughty topaz]

Am I not allowed to put pictures in here?

[red forge]

No one can.
Can only hotlink, or upload to a dedicated photo/screenshots thread on this server, then can hotlink that to here.

[haughty topaz]

https://www.amazon.com/Funko-Pop-Collectable-Figure-Mystic/dp/B0B4YKVHQD/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?crid=1NFVNJEELDBL1&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.n8Yt2SBc7ay0RB7ocun1Aga5LrJq9jtWmcpHYghNomCknMdwRwRY8m8JZFS7miOLYzoP1c0MFf_HSumdulgLGrpCHWb9OD62FRNo-YTIQSDxrKilHxkMwqbOtKfjxkqAo6-jf8Db6VPd9eX1hJsQSa_gTBxA4jQHGCNFOGL86odHrHyg_RKsSDoiJw77heCUR36ylwPtYeXyRogFHjN0hA.aNivTGjquP-HiRBHs7IKoWbSQcFL1eWkEJIbxxQBhf4&dib_tag=se&keywords=sketched+funko+pop+walt+disney&qid=1773113834&sprefix=sketched+funko+pop+walt+disney%2Caps%2C303&sr=8-1

Looks like Mr house

[loud igloo]

Funko's already done Fallout pops, I hope they do one of Mr House

[crisp grail]

https://www.artofvfx.com/fallout-season-2-andreas-giesen-vfx-supervisor-rise/

Some great before and afters in here

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/999779635871101060/1481299207490113717/image.png?ex=69b2cee4&is=69b17d64&hm=fa82abdfe8dd61d94bca45fd525db0313459544bd4c43f5ab7cfa8be0faeb667&

[lofty prairie]

I think the show seeing how they do prewar scenes would be a great place to show other countries off atleast in snippets

Dont mind me just an Australian crying we don’t got any lore in fallout 😭😭😭

[dusky pollen]

I figured they would use the real aircraft that looks like a vertibird

[marble meadow]

There is a nuke map cosmetic thing in the 76 atomic shop

If you want to take that as canon then Australia should be relatively fine

Aside from the usual residual fallout that wanders after a nuclear exchange

[red forge]

What's it called?

[marble meadow]

I don’t remember 💀 it’s one of the wooden interact able ones tho

[red forge]

The only lore I can find about the impact on Australia, is something about it being as much impacted as all other countries around the world, but that's it.

[plush quest]

New Zealand is probably fine right? Can’t nuke what’s rarely shown on maps

Pretty sure the globe junk items doesn’t have it on there

It surprisingly does

[mossy echo]

New Zealand was the first to get nuked trust 🤌

[crisp grail]

in the world of fallout, they probably saw the haka being done and nuked it in fear

[mossy echo]

More than likely

[lofty prairie]

Thats what happend to the British colonists. Lmao.

Except no nukes and more retreat

Then they came back for round two and took New Zealand over

Also I doubt New Zealand got bombed as even irl it’s the most safe place for nuclear destruction

Unless NZ gets nuked alone the nuclear fallput from the rest of the world is small if nothing for NZ

that’s why billionaire have spent the GDP of small African nations on underground bunkers

Cuz Elon and other men of riches wanna survive

[lofty prairie]

OMG could you imagine if the forces the brotherhood of steel is on the verge of loosing to on the east coast is the Nuka World raiders lead by a high psychotic Nate.

Just had that revelation and wow maybe lol.

Bethesda would pull some crap like that.

[red forge]

That would be funny 🤣

But... I'm still inclined to consider he'll be referenced as the Minutemen General, most likely.

[lofty prairie]

It could see it happening tho Bethesda pulls weird crap lmao

[lofty prairie]

Yeah I guess lol probs

But still imagine if that was the reason why the east was falling that’s be hilarious

@red forge if they do mention minutemen, do you think they’d evolve outside their handmade conventional cheap laser muskets? Or do you think the army will be more equipped with say hand made rifles and stuff?

[red forge]

People want to see laser pewpew, so probably laser muskets.

[lofty prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/uk-police-officer-screaming-no-noo-gif-3163377484734570206

[red forge]

Else I've no idea. I've not thought that far.

[lofty prairie]

unfunctional futarama weapons vs real weapons

[red forge]

Whatever is in the game, should be able to be in the show. Legit not sure what Futurama has to do with this 🤣

[lofty prairie]

im talking about how the spin up thing for the laser musket is like a futurama weapon

i was making a joke

[red forge]

ahh right. Sorry I missed it. Been a while since I've seen Futurama.

[crisp grail]

now that I think of it - the Fallout world is so hilariously from the American perspective, they'd probably think Australia was just English people with funny accents and New Zealand is actually China 😆

[mossy echo]

I wouldn’t be surprised, but no cigar. I think fallout is just a parody of the USAs fascination with nukes

[weak kayak]

Was trying to find a gif but it looks like a wind up alien rifle

[crisp grail]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/999779635871101060/1482127111304249414/image.png?ex=69b5d1ef&is=69b4806f&hm=a9324a3039f40134ca82afd99a7926f30341f33ed9a42f9c28bc6b9955f8e74d&

Looks like the shelter show is actively recruiting for extras\participants

[red ravine]

I feel like that’s the most accurate option. Either that or the Brotherhood.

Both because of his Military background.

[red ravine]

it’s to kind of leave an ominous speculation about what happened to the rest of the world

we know what happened to America, but we don’t really know what happened to other countries

also I have a theory

I think the show is trying to hint at the fact that the Enclave was behind the war

not China

[main raptor]

i just finished the second season and.... just.... If we didnt get a season 3 id be totally fine. we got a perfect ending to lead into a new game. but the fact we are getting a season 3? well you know im looking forward to it.

[red ravine]

they’ve already said that the TV Show can’t cover San Francisco, so i think that’s what Fallout 5 will be

which stinks cuz i wanted to see the Alamo as a settlement

[lofty prairie]

Interesting

Tbh I’d love a fallout im NYC. Where we can’t travel on the roads cuz it’s littered in ferals. An idea for NYC is they had build bridges between buildings to traverse

Even the BOS was amazed thet said that the tallest buildings scraped the bottom of the predwyn and the ground was shocking

[red ravine]

i’d love to see Texas

sure it’d probably be pretty similar to NV with the “cowboy-esque” vibe

but still, imagine seeing what happened to the Alamo

and there’s plenty of stadiums in Texas

so there might be other stuff like Diamond City but in a greater variety

[grizzled gate]

Texas is tricky because there's a lot of places to use, but too much empty space between the major cities to include them all.

[sullen bluff]

Mr house.

please Boston fallout season 3

we NEED yes need some Minutemen stuff

I mean we had the guy come from Massachusetts right so that's some trace like that guy who said hot dog

[grizzled gate]

You'd have to do some serious map compression to get Dallas, Houston, and San Antonio in the same game.

[sullen bluff]

ay Boston already mapped 😉

[red forge]

Boston is the basis FO4.

[frozen bramble]

I'd like to see Florida both in-game and in the show. Specifically where the space race largely takes place in our reality. Texas is a contender for that nowadays but following the Fallout timeline it wouldn't be. It would most likely still be Cape Canaveral as the top spot for space travel. And we know Vault-tec's ultimate goal was to colonize the stars, per the Nuka world DLC in FO4.. even if they never managed to succeed.. there definitely most likely would be some great material they could use there for storytelling.

[sullen bluff]

workin for the maann

working for the mannnnn

[lofty prairie]

You mentioned space, im pretty sure a whole other war happend on the moon

The end result was astronauts being stranded and eventually dying I think

[crisp grail]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XHDxIXWQPnI

really great review

Jonah Lobe ( created the Deathclaw ) - rips into them over some Deathlcaw things while giving the production team their flowers

[keen notch]

Bethesda should see if Tim Cain wants to have a Cameo in the next season as a guy wearing armor made of Mr. Handy parts

[lofty prairie]

Why that specifically lol?

[keen notch]

its a niche reference regarding the development of the original Fallout and how Cain nixed attempts to introduce robot designs that didn't fit the retro-futuristic aesthetic he wanted for the game, using the Mr. Handy design "definer of tone" for the overall series to emphasize a "'50s imagining of the future" as apposed to present day imagining the future

[frozen bramble]

I can't remember his name off the top of my head and I'm too lazy to search right now but the actor who played codsworth would also be pretty cool to have in power armor made of Mr handy parts

[tribal warren]

I'd like his VA to appear again for a mr.handy but a friendly one. If coop & lucy's stories split a bit in next season, it would be really cool to see lucy gain a mr handy companion for some comedic relief while dogmeat follows the ghoul.

I also have a wacko-theoryhere, what if hank has a backup of his conciousness in robo form as well? imagine he transfers to a securitron to watch over lucy in secret, for example.

[frozen bramble]

Imagine if Hank was just faking having his mind wiped. He went out of his way to press his remotes button, before she could press hers. For all we know, his might not have had his batteries in it.

[tribal warren]

its very possible and highly speculated. I personally hope they don't go this route though, as narratively, it seems like the audience somewhat expects it

i think there's still lots they can do with hank, even with his memories wiped. lots of things they could do with it. Very fun to think about & theorize!

[crisp grail]

https://youtu.be/LgPEWKfjiPo?si=VJNctmG7J05hpGIp&t=412

So - this is interesting. Time code at 6:52 if it doesnt load correctly

the puppets were referenes but the final shots are all CG

(they talked with Important Looking Pirates, who did the shots)

caveat, anytime there is movement, its CG, but if its just standing there, its likely the puppet

also, the extreme closeup of the head was the puppet and then given over to ILM to make it even scarier

[plush quest]

As far as I understand it the puppets are mostly for the benefit of the actors

To have a physical representation of what they’re interacting with instead of blank nothing

It couldve been a much simpler rig with less detail, but having them so faithfully recreated submerses the actors into the world to give a better performance

Marvel has this problem where you can tell actors are talking and reacting to nothing in front of them because all the CGI is done later

Maybe it wasn’t the main reason, but it’s something that really benefitted their performance this season

Same with Power Armor

[crisp grail]

Yup 100% - only thing i'd add is it helps to have the puppets for interaction- one of the moments they show is when the puppet slams down on the car.

You can manipulate that later in post sure, but god is it easier if you have actually have the puppet do it

[crisp grail]

_
also, here comes the ALL the Vfx Reels now that awards season is done.... this is Raynault VFX from Quebec who did the environments
https://vimeo.com/1169929700?fl=pl&fe=cm

[foggy garden]

There were also references to San Fransisco in Fallout 4. Which kinnda tracks with what they did in Fallout 3. That whole interaction with Zimmer and the quest to find the runaway android referenced Synths, The Institute and The Commonwealth, all of which came true in Fallout 4.

[crisp grail]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/999779635871101060/1485637755819266220/image.png?ex=69c2977a&is=69c145fa&hm=df9de66a9cf85cee5acc70b8fd2d8af1f20da49344126f4bb6b31f9875087a7b&

Normally I'd link to the real interviewer, not screen rant trash but its SFX Magazine, which is subscription only

https://screenrant.com/fallout-season-3-introduce-game-elements/

[red forge]

In that case, I feel Todd made the right call to recommend the production to pace it out.

[versed path]

Fallout new vegas fans when all the factions they destroyed ingame are destroyed in the show

[tribal warren]

https://tenor.com/view/he-made-a-statement-gif-1710106434060897082

[sturdy tundra]

I've literally had to explain this to people

Unironically some people do not comprehend that not everything was going to get done in S1

It was a huge gamble they were taking, and that it paid off is why we now can expand.

[red forge]

Exactly. If it did, the audience would be overwhelmed, especially new audiences to the franchise.

[sturdy tundra]

I wouldn't even say it'd be overwhelming per se

I do have a criticism that some stuff would realistically be a lot clearer

[red forge]

Semantics. I'm just referring to the pace of delivery of content.

[sturdy tundra]

But they had to play it safe. Halo just got done failing, TLoU ended up failing, so many game adaptations have failed

They weren't going to blow all of their cool stuff on S1, lest it still fail too and end up being even more costly for the effort.

They've got a lot more leeway now it's established that the show works.

[red forge]

Halo might be different. Halo took an alternate timeline, which the community wasn't happy about.

So yeah, the production here just needed to control the pacing of content delivery, and they did exactly that, and it all appears to be based on Todd advising that.

[sturdy tundra]

That's far from the only issue people had, and I'm not gonna go into a whole tirade

There were a lot of problems with the show. I didn't even care that it was its own timeline, but they didn't do enough with it.

[red forge]

Certainly, but on a whole, it all stemmed from their decision to take the story on an alternate timeline.

[sturdy tundra]

No? Again, not going into this. Suffice it to say, Fallout had skeletons surrounding it to learn from

S1 had its teething problems but on a whole I get why it was the way it was.

I like where the show's going, ultimately.

[red forge]

Yeah let's avoid progressing further on nuances on the topic 🤣 for the sake of civility.

[tribal warren]

https://tenor.com/view/this-pointing-finger-pointing-up-so-just-like-that-gif-23250444

[lofty prairie]

Hello

[minor gorge]

https://c.tenor.com/6Uvrk3ldUPwAAAAd/tenor.gif

[tribal warren]

https://tenor.com/view/npc-soyjak-soy-wojak-liberal-moment-wifes-boyfriend-gif-23635079

[crisp grail]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1404986722005155862/1486806498188328960/vfx_fallout_rise___RISE___Visual_Effects_Studios_-_Google_Chrome_2026-03-26_14-13-20.mp4?ex=69c6d7f4&is=69c58674&hm=15dd5c6eeef39426e804b7ff628d84ba1db6f53d26a64e2b28998d62d6581183&

RISEVfx ( Berlin) just put a 3 minute full before\after reel , there are a handful of season 1 shots i think in there but overall 90% season 2

[lofty prairie]

Mum i want Joel from The Last Of Us, we have Joel at home.

Joel at home:

[warm quest]

https://tenor.com/view/hello-chat-the-ghoul-fallout-fallout-tv-show-fallout-on-prime-gif-12638071263775942248

[tribal warren]

are you here to kill the chat?

[warm quest]

https://klipy.com/gifs/maybe-not-the-ghoul

[tribal warren]

https://tenor.com/view/3ball-juggling-milss-mess-juggling-malabarismo-world-xm-gif-16263773

so you wont mind if i just juggle these right?

[warm quest]

https://klipy.com/gifs/oxjunk-ghoul

[tribal warren]

wow, thanks cooper!

[lofty prairie]

Haters will say this is ai but in reality hes just a ghoul

[sweet cairn]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1475221932550127929/1478522268354215986/dog-dance.gif

[keen notch]

man has some luscious locks and facial hair for a ghoul

[strong pine]

doggie needs to go for a walk right NAOW

[sweet cairn]

TRUTH.

[icy vortex]

I hope in next season we get some Red Rocket lore.

[strong pine]

its the fallout universe - Red Rocket Lore|| What Goes Up Must Go BOOM||

[compact drift]

Enclave betta return next season

[frozen bramble]

No. They should do a side story about the mechanist instead.

[grizzled gate]

Cooper puts off following the next lead because the reward is leveled loot and he wants to level up a few more times before grabbing it.

[strong pine]

They're going on a Carnival Cruise

[tough nova]

He's already level 65,535

[plush quest]

Too bad the Enclave base is holding 65,536 lvl loot

[tough nova]

WHAT!

[plush quest]

Do you know how long it takes to gain a level when you’re that far into the endgame?

[strong pine]

its disguised as -1 loot

[alpine comet]

I just realized that the actress for lucy was also in mrs peregrines home for peculiar children

I think thats the title

[plush quest]

She also voices Jinx in Arcane, the League of Legends related animated series.

[indigo trellis]

not to mention what happened to her character in Yellowjackets

[alpine comet]

when will Raul step forward to control new vegas

[plush quest]

nah Raul deserves a nice peaceful retirement. man's been through a lot

However, I'd love a Raul prequel game where we get to play as him during his adventures in Mexico City and Legion controlled Two-Sun, Arizona

or a Raul cameo in the TV show played with the role reprised by Danny Trejo but in ghoul make up

[alpine comet]

id love that, even if hes just a bartender or something

honestly a cameo with some companions or even maybe something of the couriers would be neat

[plush quest]

I think anything directly referencing the courier would be too fan servicey

the courier should be like the concept of the spirit of the west from Rango

reverent but only as legend

I'd check out so quickly if the courier^tm had a screen appearance

[red forge]

Wasn't the courier teased on the last episode, sniping the Deathclaw before the NCR marched into the Strip?

[plush quest]

i don't think so. he didn't look directly at the camera afterwards and say "Hey it's me the courier from Fallout New Vegas! The game was rigged from the start amirite?"

[alpine comet]

nah that was me

[loud gale]

Said no one ever

Literally just a second of someone in the vault 21 duster moving in the background would make people faint

[indigo trellis]

I'd settle for Michael Hogan appearing as Doc Mitchell

[crisp grail]

https://www.artofvfx.com/fallout-season-2-steve-moncur-vfx-supervisor-ilm/

[minor gorge]

Besides, all Bethesda needs to do is make it happen in the TV series and everyone here will piece together half-baked reasons how lore wise it makes complete sense then say there is no Lore when people point out the inconsistencies

DON'T Question Bethesda!

[crisp grail]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/999779635871101060/1496643364580233428/Fallout_S2_ILM_ITW_05B.png?ex=69ebf2c0&is=69eaa140&hm=b90f6a53db4c28deb5dfdef1b7f9463d29211ffb3ba9f56c479434b91272963e&

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254543981812121642/1497020023833755829/image0.jpg?ex=69ec000a&is=69eaae8a&hm=f4fc08741bc0a993a0fc83298e60464e98d05a4adce5c37c2fe1d044cfde1737&

[tribal warren]

lol why he need a face mask thing like that? looks like it'd get real hot wearing that on set.

[red forge]

It's blood spatter type protection.

Also it's not a fully enclosed helmet, which is what you might be mistaking it for.

[plucky rock]

The ghoul had the entire series on his back. I said what I said.🙃

[tribal warren]

well no even just playing airsoft with a half mask on a hot day can get sweaty. but makes sense I guess. surely hes being paid well

[red forge]

Airsoft you'd be running a lot. This role doesn't seem to be that.

[tribal warren]

I don't really want to argue about whether or not this guy in long sleeve shirt & pants with gear on got sweaty when filming on a bright sunny day with no clouds in the middle of Santa Clarita, California. I feel like he was probably sweating 🤷‍♂️ u dont, thats fine, we all have our own opinions.

[crisp grail]

I'll ask around

[red forge]

It's pretty easy these days to have long-sleeved breathable material. We have the tech for that now.

[tribal warren]

it's also pretty easy to sweat on a hot day as a human being, even when just standing or holding unnatural things like a deathclaw head. plastic helmets heat up with direct sun exposure. I can't believe this discussion even exists right now, its so ridiculous. If you don't think he sweat, that's fine, but why are we even here trying to prove this or not? nuts. lets move on lmao.

[red forge]

You only mentioned the helmet to begin with.

There's no argument being had. It's observations.

[tribal warren]

I bet this guy never thought people would be dissecting his clothing and perspiration levels on a discord channel.

[grizzled gate]

He just doesn't want to be the guy who dripped sweat onto the PA model and smeared the paint.

[latent bay]

Literally

If it wasnt for him I wouldn't have even subjected myself to season 2 😂

[nocturne axle]

Even then he’s a Gary Stu that gets away with literally anything with no consequences.

[spring steeple]

The pre-war storyline with the Ghoul as its quasi main character is so immersive that I can't even tell which part of the story I find more engaging - the past or the present
Man, Walton Goggins is killing it. I wouldn't say he carries the show per se - many good actors aboard, and I especially like what they did with Maximus in season 2 - but he REALLY manages to play these one-in-two characters and perspectives in both worlds

[frozen bramble]

I had the same feeling watching arrow on the CW when it first debuted. I didn't know whether I liked the present-day version of Oliver Queen or the young version trapped on that island more.

They've basically copied that same style of storytelling in order to make this series which is why it feels so nostalgic for me (more so than just being a long time fan of the games, I mean) even though it's a brand new show.

[latent bay]

S2 maximus was too bland for me, S1 Maximus was far more interesting as he was portrayed more morally questionable

They took my maximus away from me

[sturdy tundra]

Being morally questionable only gets you so much leeway before you gotta reasonably be coming to some kind of answers, even if they're the wrong ones, and I disagree that he was even that grey to begin with; he's established from S1E1 that he's overall trying to do the right thing, and the worst thing he really does in S1 is, what, let Titus die for being a dirtbag who was gonna get him killed? Everything else was just him scrambling to survive or even trying to do the right thing, just it didn't always work out right.

He grows as a person especially with Lucy, and S2 is just following through on what he was already doing in S1, trying to make these situations work and coming to realizations about just what it takes to do the right thing

[red forge]

That's exactly what he confessed to Quintus.

It was his explanation to why everything he was involved with, happened. He planned none of it, he just happened to be involved.

[sturdy tundra]

He's essentially self-aware that he's an NPC following quest markers

And trying to break out of that

[red forge]

He's conflicted between trying to fit into his adopted "family", and trying to do what he feels is right.

[sturdy tundra]

If anything he was much more questionable and dynamic in S2, because he had to finally directly contend and act

Even as he's following orders, he's trying to stand up. And finally he disregards the orders altogether.

[red forge]

My understanding is he only joined the brotherhood, as a child at that, because they were who rescued him. I don't think he joined because of their code, but rather a reason to live, because his parents and community were dead. Everyone he would've known prior to the nuke on Shady Sands was gone.

[sturdy tundra]

He believes in the ideals but he has to realize the practicals

Which is likely how all the squires end up anyways. You buy into the Glory™ until you realize too late to back out there is none

[red forge]

Oh of course. It's called conditioning.

[sturdy tundra]

Propaganda is a helluva drug

[red forge]

He was a child when they found him, so he had that many years to absorb what they taught him.

[sturdy tundra]

And it's been an overall plot point about the BOS since literally the first game

They don't actually really know what they're doing. They don't really have plans. They kinda just go around doing what they do.

[red forge]

Which I'm still yet to play 🤣 have only dabbed a few minutes into it.

[sturdy tundra]

Scribe Vree outright tells you that the BOS by that point's all but moved on from Roger Maxson

newbies barely even know or learn his name

the scribes try to keep the information alive, but Maxson's ideals died with him, barely two successors past him and they were already becoming the new future enemy.

It's even one of the endings if a certain character dies that the BOS goes on to enact what would come to be known as the thousand-year Steel Plague, utter tyranny under their reign; suffice it to say, whether that character canonically survived F1, they're probably long dead now, and the BOS is looking mighty authoritarian.

This is what Lyons wanted to break from in F3 and the NV remnants criticise as well. They're just ruling the place, not really doing anything with the tech or the people they steal it from.

[latent bay]

Quintus is the only villain I liked

Probably due to the actor

His voice soothes my soul

[sturdy tundra]

The clerics' takeover of the western BOS would likewise have Maxson rolling in his grave. His was a brotherhood of mankind, not of religion, but don't let the truth get in the way of a good speech when you're fomenting civil war in your own faction.

[latent bay]

Until the next retcon

[sturdy tundra]

?

[latent bay]

Then they will make Maxon a religions zealot all along 😔

[sturdy tundra]

I have zero clue where you're getting that from

He's pretty well established as a person in F76 (as far as offscreen figures go), and he's very much not about that.

[latent bay]

Until he will be, they already retconned ghouls so nothing is off limits

[sturdy tundra]

Nothing was in the first place

Still doesn't mean they're actually going to do it

[latent bay]

Ghouls never needed that drug to stay sane until the tv show so yes, that's a retcon

[sturdy tundra]

I never said it wasn't?

[latent bay]

You said nothing was in the first place?

[sturdy tundra]

Nothing was off limits in the first place, is what I was saying.

[latent bay]

Ooooooh

[sturdy tundra]

Regardless, how does that translate to also completely changing Roger Maxson's character?

They've done nothing of the sort to him, just filled him in more

I can't think of any character off the top of my head that they've radically changed, really

[latent bay]

If they can change something as big as ghouls then changing character lore isnt a stretch

[sturdy tundra]

They barely "changed" anything, just introduced additional elements. Ghouls are still ghouls, there's just more than one way to become one.

And by this point they've been around for over two centuries

It makes sense the drug wouldn't be much of a thing until now, they're getting older and older and all breaking down

[red forge]

We still don't yet know how Cooper becomes a ghoul.

[sturdy tundra]

Most ghouls are still pre-war remnants, and they're a dying breed

[latent bay]

They made it so they need a specific drug to stop going feral, that was never the case before, the fridge kid couldnt have been a thing because he would have gone feral way before Nate/Nora found him

Fallout 4 ruined

Cancel Bethesda

[sturdy tundra]

Feralization is not an exact science. Fridge Kid can just as well be a random mutation that blocks it off

[latent bay]

And the vault tec salesman, he would have gone feral long before the drug was mass produced since he was one of the og ghouls

[sturdy tundra]

It affects people differently and what causes it isn't actually fully known

It's just known how it works once it is in place

[latent bay]

https://tenor.com/view/apprentice-alan-sugar-gif-13401569

[sturdy tundra]

At any rate, yes, I'm well aware it's a retcon, the series is no stranger to them and that's just a common thing when it comes to long-running works, especially one that's changed hands over time

But it doesn't fundamentally alter what ghouls are. It's just expanded their dynamics a bit.

[latent bay]

I wonder if another company will ever own Fallout

[sturdy tundra]

It'd be curious to see who picks it up if that ever does happen

by and by curious I mean harrowing because most alternatives suck right now

[latent bay]

I would only be excited if it was a japanese or south korean studio

They make good stuff

[sturdy tundra]

Ehh, different cultural values and aesthetics altogether. Fallout's an American series set in the USA and is about American views of itself just as much as it is about the post-apocalypse

I could see a side game set elsewhere, but devs in a holistically different cultural framework would be the wrong choice

I'd rather see their own take on this kinda stuff as opposed to actually taking on all of Fallout itself

[latent bay]

They would probably do research and study past games, like the ghost of tsushima devs did

Minus the study past games bit

[latent bay]

Fallout London was aight

I hope Fallout 5 will be good

76 has improved so much that it's much better than 4 so my hopes are... reasonable

[sturdy tundra]

The practical differences between Britain and the US are much narrower than between the US and Japan or South Korea, and Ghost of Tsushima isn't so much about Japan as it is in Japan.

[latent bay]

Fair point

[sturdy tundra]

Fallout meanwhile is generally about these American pastiches; most of the rest of the world was already wrecked even before the nukes dropped, it was mainly America versus China (the Soviets were making diplomatic headway with the US ironically) so it kinda narrows it down

Just the same I wouldn't expect an American company to do, for instance, STALKER. That's got the proper people on it.

[latent bay]

Never played stalker sadly

[sturdy tundra]

(itself influenced by Fallout funnily enough)

IIRC a couple weapons from F1 were going to appear in the original STALKER as a nod

[latent bay]

That would have been sweet

[hushed plaza]

I agree that the Ghoul sanity serum thing screwed up the lore, even though it made for good tv drama in that episode

I enjoy the show, but I really have some issues with it. My biggest complaint about season 1 was we barely got to see any factions. It's like they heard me for season 2.

We got the NCR. But they suck.
The Legion. But they suck.
The BOS is still there. But they suck even more than season 1

[red forge]

Season 1 was to set the premise.

You don't necessarily want to involve too much so quickly.

Else you lose the crowds of the uninitiated.

[hushed plaza]

Yeah I get that. And I would have been happier with the way they did it, except they decided the NCR should be some losers at an outpost, and the Legion should be a Monty Python sketch

[latent bay]

https://tenor.com/view/supernatural-spn-dean-dean-winchester-sam-gif-16140336

[latent bay]

The tv show is set in the wild wasteland version of fallout confirmed

[eternal quartz]

The season 3 just started to get filmed

[nocturne axle]

They made the NCR look like idiots. You mean to tell me they not once didn’t check the giant nuke in their checking posts? Really?

Or how about the Legion killing themselves for the past decade for one letter on Caesars dead body coincidentally placed on a hill between the 2 opposing tents. And the LETTER saying “Legion ends with me”???? They retconned Caesar bro 😭 it’s literally stated he wrote down successors for Legion 🥺
Western BOS is gone and replaced with cracked out Bethesda BOS.
They character assassinated Mr. House, one of the most beloved characters in Vegas.
The Khans are dumbed down to stupid raiders.
All they have to do now is ruin yes man, boomers, and the followers of the apocalypse!

[nocturne axle]

Bro even if you use that logic, he still has to eat and drink 🥺

[sturdy tundra]

With exceptions, we know there's ghouls that can go long periods without since F2

And I mean, he was locked in a fridge. Presumably it had food for at least some time.

I'm not saying it was written the cleanest, but the idea isn't unsound

[nocturne axle]

Gang it’s been 200+ years 😭 he didn’t have enough food for that long LOL

[sturdy tundra]

Clearly he did since he's still alive

[nocturne axle]

And the ghoul you’re referring to in 2 was coffin Willy, and he was in there for a few months at most

And even then that was called out

[sturdy tundra]

There were two in F2, Woody as well

Well, not directly appearing, but still established to be a ghoul

Ferals themselves are only sustained by radiation, needing no food or water at all, and some have been going for those 200+ years on that alone. It's intentionally written loosely because Fallout runs on comic book physics, it's all Mutations™ and Science™ so they can tell all kinds of wacky stories within the same setting

[nocturne axle]

Never specifies how long he was in the coffin.

And btw Willy said he was in the coffin for months, but he wouldn’t know how long he was in there if he were in a coffin. It 100% could’ve been exaggerated, as in canon lore they need food and water and cannot live years without it.

Even in NV there’s a ghoul that’s in a sewer type place, and specifies he needs to eat and drink

[nocturne axle]

Source?

[sturdy tundra]

for?

[sturdy tundra]

dude I said multiple things there, source for what specifically

[nocturne axle]

Source for feral ghouls only needing radiation to be sustained

[sturdy tundra]

The Lone Wanderer: "Can you tell me more about these unidentified persons?"

M.A.R.Go.T.: "My apologies. My sensing equipment in that area must be damaged. My equipment indicates the persons possess no internal body heat and are emitting lethal levels of radiation."```
Referring to feral ghouls in the area. They're essentially completely inactive besides the internal radiation, their mental faculties degraded to the most primal physical fuctions

They do not necessarily need to eat, and they've been known to be dormant for long, long periods of time

they just eat anyway, because those urges don't necessarily go away

They're as close to the classical undead zombies as ghouls get, running on only the radiation that turned them. It ties in with radiation's general presence in the setting, its big bad and changer of ways alike, the "magic" mutator in an otherwise occasionally surprisingly science-based setting.

[nocturne axle]

Those specific ghouls in question? How do you know they were dormant for a long time?

Even then before 3 we know ghouls needed food and water. It’s just a retcon on 3s part

[sturdy tundra]

I mean the number of times we're going into places full of ghouls that've clearly been down there a while and wouldn't be getting nearly enough food to sustain the population if they were normal humans pretty well indicates that even for the ones that do need food, it's not actually indicated they need as much food as we do. Harald in NV for instance subsided off of pipe condensation for water for several days, I doubt the radroach meat would've been giving him much

[nocturne axle]

That doesn’t mean they don’t need to eat and drink…

It’s specified many times throughout the franchise that they’re still human, and they still need sustenance…

Dean Domino even specifies he needs it

[sturdy tundra]

It's also explicit that the radiation heals and sustains them to at least a certain point, and given ghoulification's a variable mutation (evidenced since the first game) it's really not a good idea to try and say definitively that all ghouls work this same way

Some of them need food more than others is fair enough to say

Some stuff says they need it, some stuff says they don't. It's not necessarily a retcon, it's literally just ghouls coming in different sorts as they always have, and expanding upon that list.

[nocturne axle]

The radiation healing was never a thing until 3, and wdym ghoulification is a variable mutation since 1?

[sturdy tundra]

Fine on the healing thing, but there in F1 we had Harold who according to the devs isn't necessarily a normal ghoul and is mutation in his own right at any rate. There's always gonna be exceptions, that's basic storytelling and worldbuilding

[nocturne axle]

Harold isn’t a ghoul. He’s a mutant.

[sturdy tundra]

Yes, which ghouls are

[nocturne axle]

…no.. they’re not.

[sturdy tundra]

Ghouls are explicitly mutants, that's how ghoulification works

[nocturne axle]

… dawg, mutants happen specifically from F.E.V. Ghouls eventually turn from radiation.

Harold became the way he is because of a larger dosage of F.E.V.

Same for the master, except his is way worse and literally swam in it for days

[sturdy tundra]

my sibling in Talos

Harold is a ghoul. He's also a little special.

Super Mutants are humans with no or minimal radiation damage who have been exposed to FEV.

Ghouls are humans with significant radiation damage exposed to FEV.

Harold is, well, Harold.```
- Chris Taylor, Fallout Bible 5

Mutants are mutants. FEV can make mutants, not all mutants are FEV

FEV got released into the air when West-Tek got nuked, but there's also just radiation

[nocturne axle]

Tim Cain also said F.E.V. and radiation are not compatible.

This a view of differing opinions on how Harold was changed, but as far as we know how he became the way he did in 1, F.E.V. was the cause. He is not a ghoul.

[sturdy tundra]

Well if we go by Tim Cain, he says specifically he is a ghoul

[nocturne axle]

When?

[sturdy tundra]

He doesn't say he isn't a mutant, he just disagrees that it's an FEV-radiation mix

Fallout bible 5 as well, funnily enough

He's still a ghoul, just not the same as the Necropolis ones.

And even according to Tim Cain and co., the Fallout Bible isn't even canon anymore (per se) since it's not in their hands. But so far Bethesda's been more inclined to expand upon this stuff than to discard it outright, and the inherent variability of the setting's workings allow for that

Want some wacky thing to happen? Mutation. It's like Resident Evil, and the radiation did mutate people into the setting's version of zombies.

[nocturne axle]

Based on what I’m seeing, Tim Cain said Harold kind of thought he was a ghoul, but he technically isn’t one.

[sturdy tundra]

So one thing is sure: Harold is not a mix of radiation and FEV. He's got to be one or the other, and I think he's a ghoul.

So it's between the lead designer saying he is a ghoul and the actual creator saying he's a ghoul. It's probably safe to go with the one saying he's a ghoul.

He's not the "usual" kind of ghoul, but he's still a ghoul.

I'm kinda not interested in this conversation past this.

[nocturne axle]

The rest of the team during Fallout 1s development also said they thought he was made from F.E.V. or both. From what I’m reading, Harold is a tough one to say who he exactly is.

The point of what I’m trying to argue is, ghouls and mutants are completely different categories regardless of the similarities between them.

I guess we’ll have to disagree on this topic

[latent bay]

Yup its garbage, if it wasnt for the ghoul I wouldnt have even bothered to finish it lol

[abstract sleet]

I hope they do the Followers of the Apocalypse justice

[hushed plaza]

I watch it because I've loved Ella Purnell since Yellowjackets and Walton Goggins is one of the best actors ever. If the two lead actors weren't so good it would be so much worse

[red forge]

That's why shows like this take off. If a lead can't pull off being the lead, then the show fails due to miscast.
Iron Fist in the MCU failed on this, from what I understand.

A show can fail due to bad writing, but it can also otherwise fail due to a bad lead.

People pick and choose what they want to believe, but that's what it comes down to.

"Chemistry". That's a word to describe it.

If there's no chemistry, the show fails.

That's why I had high hopes for Terra Nova, only to be disappointed by the 4th episode. Poor chemistry, became predictable, and throwing in plot lines too soon that should have waited a season or 2. Apparently it got better at the end, but the damage was done.

[fleet falcon]

Nah was good

[tribal warren]

never saw ella before in anything but completely agree. Nailed the role.

[hushed plaza]

Yellowjackets season 1 is great. I haven't watched it since then and I heard it fell off a bit. She's one of the leads

[open fox]

I hadn't seen her in anything, that I could recall, but now I see she's in everything 😅

I do love that she voices Jinx in Arcane, I can only imagine Jinx now when I hear her voice.

[frozen bramble]

Yeah it can be like that sometimes with voice actors. It's like the guy who played Invader Zim. Now he plays Moxie in Helluva Boss but I can only ever picture that voice as Zim.

[minor gorge]

Billy West is one of my favorite voice actors. A cooky guy in life but a fun guy

He voice acted Invader Zim as well as Fry from futurerama

[tribal warren]

man i can't wait for the new season of futurama

[tidal tendon]

"Billy West?? Psh, what a stupid, made up name!" - Philip J. Fry, Futurama.

Couldn't find a gif for it but that's one of my favorite scenes in the show. It's the one where Bender has to join Witness Protection and leaves to be a farmer on the moon.

[minor gorge]

🙂 Billy West, Rob Paulson and Maurice LaMarche were a pip to meet together

Some voice actors are some of the most quirky but personable folks I've met at comic cons

[tidal tendon]

Oh I'd love to meet Billy West. I had an ex who LOVED Futurama. It was his background noise show. So I've seen every episode (not counting the newer ones) more than once. That show is admittedly pretty brilliant.

[minor gorge]

If I paid attention I would have fan boyed so much on Billy. I only found out AFTER that he was also the voice of GeeKeR from the 90's cartoon Project GKR

[frozen bramble]

Richard Steven Horvitz was the voice of invader Zim himself and Moxxie from helluva boss. Also apparently the voice of Billy from Billy and Mandy and alpha 5 from the original power rangers series in the 90s. And I didn't really connect the dots back then but I do now, now that I think about it.

Especially for alpha 5

I'd love a chance to meet him

[minor gorge]

I think the main reason I like voice actors (most of them) and actors (so far, most of them) is they aren't special per say, just schlubs who managed to get one good gig and ran with it.

[tribal warren]

its quite like radio broadcasters in that regard.

[glass plinth]

do we know yet what kind of transformation Thaddeus/Johnny Pemberton's character is going through in season 2?

[red forge]

Nothing confirmed on that.

I think some are speculating a centaur.

[tribal warren]

not officially, the directors have spoken about it briefly and what they said has been interpreted and turned into clickbait headlines, so take from that what you'd like. Nothing formal like "Thaddeus is transforming into _________"

[steep cypress]

https://deadline.com/2026/05/fallout-aaron-paul-1236889936/

[jaunty sierra]

https://giphy.com/gifs/breaking-bad-quote-MBVemoHuyw9Ik

[frozen bramble]

And those people are wrong because that TF requires multiple people being tossed into the FEV at the same time.

And then they merge together into a disgusting hodgepodge of limbs

[latent bay]

He is turning into Todd Howard

[sturdy tundra]

He can be just a ghoul and still have his own mutations going on

Look at Harold

[indigo trellis]

He's turning into a beautiful butterfly (possibly with tentacles)

[latent bay]

Perhaps he will mutate into a good tv show

https://tenor.com/view/ba-dum-tsss-drum-band-gif-7320811

[tribal warren]

https://tenor.com/view/blank-stare-homelander-antony-starr-the-boys-dead-inside-gif-25853869

[nocturne axle]

Potato you cannot be fr 😭 don’t even TRY to defend the TV show

[tribal warren]

its great & people are too sensitive nowadays to enjoy things without picking them apart. It's good TV, hate all you want 🙂

[red forge]

If people have the right to be critical of, people also have the right to defend it.

[nocturne axle]

It’s entertaining, but no it’s not a good TV show about Fallout. The reason why people pick things apart is BECAUSE the show is literally based on an RPG, a game heavily revolved around story.
Simply looking at it in a lens of “people are too sensitive nowadays to enjoy things without picking them apart” is just.. wild, and completely ignoring the core issue.
Most of not all of this would’ve been avoided if Todd said the TV show wasn’t canon, but it is.. which does some serious lore breaking to the original material. It’s disrespectful towards the people who wrote NV and the classics.

Imagine someone taking your game that they didn’t write and destroying the story you set up for yourself and the fans. You probably wouldn’t be too enthusiastic about that.

[nocturne axle]

I agree! That comment wasn’t supposed to be taken too seriously.

[tribal warren]

I hate to break it to you, but not all fallout fans care that much about new vegas. I disagree with your sentiment, and i think the TV show did a great job at including the lore, working new storylines in while being able to connect dots, build the world up further. It's great honestly. You must not have beena round for the Halo TV show if this is your fierce opinion lol.

[latent bay]

If he said it was set in the wacky wasteland version of Fallout I'd forgive it

Enjoying something bad doesnt make it good, just means you enjoyed something that is terrible, I enjoyed the live action super mario movie but I know it ain't good 😂

I will admit though that the halo series is way worse

[nocturne axle]

Thanks for bringing up Halo. That’s the same show based off the games that ignored/destroyed the lore of the games and it was bashed on by many fans. The Fallout TV show did the exact same thing, yet people still try and defend it. Of course many of the new people who praise it have never played NV so it’s to be expected.
And it doesn’t matter about everyone not caring about NV, that’s a selfish take. It’s a Fallout game that has established lore regardless of how you feel about it that is literally connected to the same games that started this entire franchise (1 and 2). It’s just basic respect to stay consistent to the game. It’s really not that hard.

[latent bay]

https://tenor.com/view/drawing-a-circle-master-chief-pablo-schreiber-halo-drawing-on-a-mirror-gif-25727216

[latent bay]

The problem is alot of people will get hyper insecure when you call out the low quality of something they enjoy, they take it personally like it invalidated their enjoyment which is silly and childish

[nocturne axle]

Right

[nocturne axle]

Same tbh. I’d still laugh about how inconsistent it is, but at least it wouldn’t be connected to the games lol

[tribal warren]

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt12637874/ratings/
Your opinion represents 1.1% of the total audience ratings. Forgive me for not taking "Lord Farquaad" as an authority on whats a good or bad tb show.

[latent bay]

I get attacked by fallout fans for defending Fallout 3 but also attacked by bethesda fanboys and shills for defending the higher quality Fallout made by old school obsidian and black isles or whatever the company was called 😂

[nocturne axle]

It was Black Isles/Obsidian yeah

[latent bay]

Just because the masses enjoy slop doesnt mean its objectively good, and you forget to mention that alot of people who hated season 1 didnt bother to give season 2 a chance so that number isnt very valid anyway

[tribal warren]

You're wrong about that last part. New vegas was not made by anyone on the fallout 1 team, if you're about to stan for Chris, he came in late on fallout 2. Tim Cain has been vocal about not wanting to lean into the "wacky" nature that was present in fallout 2

[tribal warren]

ok well then by that logic, your opinion is invalid to me too 🙂

[latent bay]

I never said it was made by the old team, old fallout was made by black isle and NV was made by obsidian, you jumped the gun there

[latent bay]

And that's perfectly fine!

Just means I have higher standards and dont enjoy slop as much as the average joe

[tribal warren]

"defending the higher quality Fallout made by old school obsidian and black isles or whatever the company was called 😂" this is what i was talking about. new vegas is absolutely not made by old school black isle, and obsidian & black isle are not interchangle in this context.

[tribal warren]

it means you think that of yourself. Which you're free too. I have quite different views on your cynical takes.

[nocturne axle]

The people (Chris Avellone and J.E. Sawyer) who were developing Van Buren made NV, who were also Black Isle/Obsidian Entertainment

A lot of NV lore was reused from Van Buren.

So yes Farquaad is right.

[tribal warren]

Oh yeah? who? serious question. I can't find anyone from fallout 1's credits that are also on new vegas's. maybe i missed some.

ignoring van buren because that wasn't my point, not my goalpost.

[nocturne axle]

You just said NV was not made by old school Black isle when it literally was lol are you talking about interplay?

[tribal warren]

fair, my brain skipped to interplay.

lord said "old fallout was made by black isle " which threw me off there

old fallout was made by interplay, would be correct.

[nocturne axle]

And btw some people who developed Fallout 1 developed Fallout 2 as well

You’re more so referring to the trio (Tim, Leonard and Jason) that left early during development.

[latent bay]

I referred to them as separate entities you are the one who misinterpreted 😂

[tribal warren]

likely. Either way, my point is that fallout new vegas is a departure from classic fallout, not the example of what fallout should be. It's silly to me that new vegas fans think they dictate what the IP should be, and thus, hate on new vegasthe TV show as a result.

[nocturne axle]

Huh

[tribal warren]

When did you mention interplay...?

[tidal tendon]

Just a reminder to keep it civil in here guys. It's fine to disagree, but let's not point fingers.

[latent bay]

I said "whatever they were called"

[tribal warren]

Yeah, you've got it.

[latent bay]

Wrong, and because we were actual fans whereas people like you are tourists so our word holds far more weight

[nocturne axle]

Well Fallout should be pretty close to what Vegas was considering it’s the best Fallout and is tied extremely close to the original games, which is what Fallout should be lol. And I still don’t understand how you misunderstand the hate on the TV show by the Vegas fans. Most of the arguments are about how badly it messed up the game.

[tribal warren]

wrong lol. did you even play fallout 1?

[latent bay]

Wasnt Tim just the sound guy?

[latent bay]

Yup, it was awesome

Fallout was always dark and so was NV

[tribal warren]

i played new vegas on release btw @latent bay not sure you could call me a "tourist" hahahaha in your own words "Enjoying something bad doesnt make it good, just means you enjoyed something that is terrible" well guess what, new vegas was pretty crappy imo.

[latent bay]

As always

[tribal warren]

why am i arguing with a bunch of new vegas stans in the fallout tv series chat lol? peace out yall.

[tidal tendon]

Alright time to move on.

[nocturne axle]

Why did my message get deleted

I was answering his question bro

[tidal tendon]

We are moving on, this channel is about the show. If you want to continue the conversation you can do so in DMs

[latent bay]

https://tenor.com/view/okey-dokey-lucy-maclean-fallout-okay-yes-gif-16336074029833686822

[nocturne axle]

https://tenor.com/view/cooper-howard-fallout-thumbs-up-fallout-tv-vault-tec-gif-6009891785160118102

[latent bay]

Lol hes the only thing in series 2 I actually enjoy watching

[nocturne axle]

He’s too heavily involved in everything pre war/current timeline but yeah he’s still fun to watch. Wouldn’t be surprising if he were somehow the courier

[latent bay]

https://tenor.com/view/fallout-sit-head-spin-gif-15260100

[nocturne axle]

Wait a second… the courier was buried alive until Victor/House came in to save the day.. the ghoul was buried alive by random wastelanders who had a grudge against him idk

Hmmm…

[latent bay]

https://tenor.com/view/riddler-paul-dano-new-rockstars-does-he-know-gif-26833694

[nocturne axle]

Please don’t let him be the courier as well Bethesda pleaaaseeee 😭 let a female legionary courier be canon ‼️ ‼️

[latent bay]

Lol I love doing an amazonian Legion lady run

[versed path]

Old head something something

[plush quest]

I think that’s the point, Cooper Howard is the TV show’s Courier. Not literally but as in the central character that a lot of the plot develops around. They’re building him up to have an almost nearly direct role in ending the world

If the TV show was a video game, we’d be playing from The Ghoul’s POV. He already acts like an end-game character

[tribal warren]

That's deserverd at this point, I'll take that on the chin. But hey, Tim Cain is still alive & kicking!

[plain portal]

Aaron Paul is joining fallout season 3

[tidal tendon]

Please let this be true

[plain portal]

He was at fallout nv premiere in 2010

[latent bay]

I would be happy but I was burned by Mcauley culkin disappointing character in s2 so I wont hold my breath for mr pinkman 😔

[tidal tendon]

Aaron Paul's in a bunch of other stuff. I doubt he will disappoint.

[latent bay]

Only other thing I've seen him in was that film with dwayne johnson and kevin hart

[plush quest]

If they killed McCully Culkin in the first episode of S3 and replaced by Aaron Paul I would have no complaints

But that’d be what? Like the 5th Caesar?

[latent bay]

Ave

[tidal tendon]

He's the voice of Todd in Bojack Horseman, does some other voice work and cameos.

[latent bay]

Ah I've never seen it

[tidal tendon]

It's quite literally my favorite show 😅

[plush quest]

Todd is quite literally the opposite of Jesse in many respects

Hilarious to imagine what each show would be like if they switched characters

[tidal tendon]

You know Breaking Bad could use some comic relief

[latent bay]

After Rick and Morty I've kinda started avoiding animated comedies 😭