fallout-tv-series

[minor lark]

We know their origin story though

[slate frost]

Or he didnt want to take unnecessary risks

[minor lark]

Idk. Doesn't mesh well with the image of the Founding of the BOS

[slate frost]

So they destroyed each other

[minor lark]

They didn't

We know the timeline of the BOS due to the games

[slate frost]

Yeah

[mighty geyser]

If you can read, I said that it could be implemented, but when you are coming up with new lore, you gotta make sure it doesn’t contradict old lore from already canon games

That’s why I said “they could implement lore” to fix this discrepancy later on

[calm trellis]

There’s no discrepancy, you’re just a moron

[mighty geyser]

That’s crazy….

[slate frost]

Too much technology to recover it was not a priority it was not possible because the knowledge was lost over time we can only hypothesize

[mighty geyser]

Had to insult me because you couldn’t read the rest of my post

[calm trellis]

You started it first

[mighty geyser]

I didn’t insult you, I simply said “if you read what I said”

[calm trellis]

“If you can read” is very clearly an insult

[mighty geyser]

I mean you can’t blame me, you simply ignored the rest of my post, you basically cherry-picked my words

[minor lark]

Like I said before. Their whole mantra was to collect dangerous tech to stop mankind from perishing again. He'd have been very aware of area 51. They even made trips to bases and facilities just because they mightve have dangerous tech. Its very odd Maxson would've never sent a group to survey it.

Though I should also say i bet we'll see the base in Fo5

[slate frost]

Sure what if it was an old Bos base?

[minor lark]

Maybe
Need some lore on it outside the show

[mighty geyser]

I doubt Area 51 was a BOS base

[slate frost]

A place where the best technologies and American history were preserved

[mighty geyser]

But maybe they’ll implement lore stating otherwise you’ve know

[minor lark]

I can see it being expanded on in some form for one of the games.

[calm trellis]

There really isn’t anything substantive to your post beyond you thinking it’s weird that there wouldn’t be a mention of another major military project elsewhere

An actual discrepancy would be if it happened to be the same Liberty Prime in FO3/4

Or, you know, why there’s a surviving hangar at Area 51 despite being a primary target for ICBMs

[slate frost]

It may also be related to Roger s son Maxson II

[mighty geyser]

I was simply stating, there’s only one liberty prime to date according to lore, they could say that, this one could’ve been moved around a lot before finding its final home in the pentagon

[minor lark]

Theres a lot of lore possibilities. Wish we got more info on it.

[mighty geyser]

It’s highly improbable that there would be a second prime, as this project was the limit of what robco and general atomics could do

[tidal tendon]

They could be planning to rebuild it is what I gathered. He had blueprints

[slate frost]

Me too

[minor lark]

Yeah thats how I read it too. They'll build one to challenge the East

[calm trellis]

Good luck with that

I doubt they have the industrial capacity

[minor lark]

They could make fusion cores. They might

[slate frost]

Was that message from the Ceaser who appears in New Vegas?

[mighty geyser]

That’s what I’m talking about

Glad we can agree on something

[calm trellis]

It’ll end up forming the basis of an upgrade package for the currently operational Liberty Prime

Granted I don’t find the BoS plot in the show all that interesting

[tidal tendon]

I think they have at least a large supply. They were talking about giving some in exchange for the other BoS members helping in the coup

[minor lark]

It was the wording Quintus used when the Canyon Leader asked how many he could make.

But thats just my take from it.

[slate frost]

So Ceaser fell after Hoover Dam?

[calm trellis]

I wouldn’t trust anyone in his chapter to operate a mill properly let alone rebuild LP lol

[minor lark]

Had terminal cancer. He was a goner soon no matter what happened in NV

[minor lark]

Maybe just the Clerics lol

[slate frost]

So he probably saw the defeat of the Legate and his legion

[minor lark]

Id think so but we don't know

Kinda seems like the show was telling us everyone lost at the dam.

[slate frost]

There are many questions ahahahah

[calm trellis]

The show deliberately avoids picking an FNV ending lol. It is pretty clear that there’s no garrison at the Dam to stop them given that they can march to the Strip unmolested

[minor lark]

Also why it took over 10 years for the NCR to mount an offensive back in the Mojave lol

[calm trellis]

If I were the showrunners I would’ve just picked an ending, fans be damned

[slate frost]

They probably destroyed each other or all retreated due to terrible losses

We dont know

[calm trellis]

My guess is that the Enclave did way more than just blow up Shady Sands

[plush quest]

I think the way they handled the canon ending was fine and that fans should stop obsessing over it. The Battle for Hoover Dam was just part of another war and war never changes.

[minor lark]

The end of the region doesnt really matter. Everyone struggling after makes sense too

[calm trellis]

Canon ending is where Benny actually killed the Courier

[plush quest]

According to the bar tender, it seems like the NCR and Legion continue to trade blows and territory long after the Hoover Dam

[minor lark]

My head canon is Yesman is secretly pulling strings in the Mojave lol

[plush quest]

With possibly Yesman taking over for a brief period

[calm trellis]

House is definitely gonna have a hand in defending the Strip from the Legion

[plush quest]

House imo will let them duke it out and prey on the weakened surviving group

Whether that be welcoming them into the strip or finishing them off

[calm trellis]

Can’t believe they ruined the lore by animating his screen

[plush quest]

Meanwhile he monologues at Max and Lucy at the futility of wasteland

[tidal tendon]

ah yeah, I couldn't remember the exact wording they used lol

[plush quest]

I want to know how the other chapters in Area 51 are doing. It seems like there was active fighting still going on in the post credits

[calm trellis]

Negotiating over salvage rights

[plush quest]

My guess is that Yosemite is dominating and Coronado is barely hanging on with a dead or maimed Elder

[calm trellis]

I hope they all died

[plush quest]

Grand Canyon might do something interesting and go back East, potentially aiding Quintus in rebuilding LB and moving the show closer to Colorado

They seem to know a thing or two about robotics

[calm trellis]

Intimately

[orchid lake]

We need a boxing match between Liberty Prime Alpha and then the East Coast Liberty Prime

[plush quest]

Prime vs Prime prime time showdown! East vs West challenge match to determine the fate of the Brotherhood

but what if they kiss? 👉👈

[calm trellis]

Lame. I need an entire episode dedicated to the logistics of Maxson deploying a detachment out west

[plush quest]

Can’t wait for the Enclave to send nukes to Vegas and for Liberty Prime Alpha to intercept the missile carrying it into space, valiantly sacrificing himself for humanity and the small child he became friends with along the way

https://tenor.com/view/iron-giant-superman-animation-epic-ending-self-sacrifice-gif-5009560

[calm trellis]

Do we ever think Coop has forgiven House for the bathroom thing

[plush quest]

How long do you think House was waiting there?

Does he know the size of Coop’s bladder? Probably

[coral juniper]

Fwiw they can also recharge cores, especially when the Shi canonically reintroduced nuclear engineering to new California

[calm trellis]

You’re not supposed to dump them in the ocean like my car batteries?

[orchid lake]

NV fanboys be like

[orchid lake]

Hell naw bro that was a violation of the highest order

[plush quest]

Can’t wait for the eventual San Fran content. The Shi and Chinatown could be so much more than 90’s king fu movie tropes

[calm trellis]

Margin of error in his calculations for the duration of Coop’s piss was probably pretty minimal

[plush quest]

An actual friendly Chinese faction would give so much insight to the Chinese side of the Great War

Admiral Zao in 4 was a step in the right direction

[mighty geyser]

Who else knew the note was gonna say what it was gonna say?

Like I had the feeling it was gonna be that anticlimactic

[plush quest]

Pretty sure I saw a comment sleuth it out based on the letters the day the episode came out

[calm trellis]

Legion fans deserve nothing

[plush quest]

If you knew anything about the character or how he became Caesar, it was pretty obvious

[mighty geyser]

Enclave fans deserve…. everything

[calm trellis]

You guys get a hot Canadian it’s not fair

[mighty geyser]

Yeah but she’s… Canadian… so that’s a downside

[plush quest]

The Enclave are gonna slime Steph the first chance they get

She climbed the tallest branch on the tree but it’s gonna break

[calm trellis]

Wonder if the Enclave still has Congress

[mighty geyser]

Enclave made it very clear they are American, nothing more nothing less

[calm trellis]

Like do they have subcommittees for deathclaws

[plush quest]

iirc most of Congress were mostly unaffiliated with the Enclave, with some of them being actively against them

At least 1 Senator was

[mighty geyser]

The enclave could have its own Congress resembling Americas bipartisan system

But not 1:1

[plush quest]

Not how they operate. Part of the reason they made the Enclave was to bypass the bipartisan system

To them democracy was just a facade that they use to prop up the rich and powerful

[mighty geyser]

Ik but if they have a president an enclave congress would probably exist

[simple blaze]

I’m just so happy our girl Claudia is ||alive||.

[plush quest]

If Claudia is alive it’s reasonable some of the other junior execs too, but barely

Norm just wanted to grab his girl and dip, which I can’t blame him for

[plush quest]

Congress only exists to represent the will of the people. Having a congress in the Enclave doesn’t really make sense in the traditional idea of a Congress. It’d be something more of a cabinet or committee.

But they might just use the same terminology to keep up the aesthetic of being the “true descendants” of the American government

[mighty geyser]

Well I mean it’s more like a Congress composing of senators, to choose who will be the next enclave president

No house, it’s probably a unilateral system

[plush quest]

That’s more of a Conclave then, similar to how the Catholic Church chooses their next pope

[calm trellis]

Lmao

[plush quest]

Enclave is a Conclave confirmed. Emphasis on the Con

[mighty geyser]

I mean it’d be silly not to think the enclave would have its own high command and votes who’s next in succession of presidency or even who’s the highest ranking individual

[calm trellis]

I like to imagine they maintain some sort of facade of the branches of government

[plush quest]

They may be a Congress in name, but if they actively try to murder the muties they’re supposed to represent then they aren’t really looking out for the good of their people.

Unless they repurposed Congressman into a title for regional commanders. Like here’s Congressman Rob from the 14th district of the Virginia Commonwealth

[mighty geyser]

100% they are a para military organization but they do like to imitate the workings of Americas govt

It makes sense considering they were the shadow govt

What I’m guessing is Congress is representing the enclave not the wastelanders

[calm trellis]

Easy to justify since they don’t think of them as people

[mighty geyser]

I mean, their goal is logical but the moral standpoint is extreme

[plush quest]

Yeah I could see a world where the term Congressman means “the local Enclave leader for this specific area”

[mighty geyser]

I mean the enclave has civilians, they aren’t really mentioned but they haven’t died out and they are still humans so they will most definitely have kids

[plush quest]

But like many things with the Enclave, they’re just using icons of prewar America to appear legitimate despite not holding any of its original values

[mighty geyser]

The enclave is the successor of America’s govt and high command, the BOS is a branch of us soldiers who went awol, just a comparison

[calm trellis]

Y’all ain’t ready for President Janey Howard

[mighty geyser]

You think they gonna pull a Shaun?

[calm trellis]

Barb ended up being a respectable bipartisan senator for the state of Colorado despite accusations of being a carpetbagger

[plush quest]

They’re the successor by their own claim. There were still plenty of US military and high level politicians who weren’t on board with the Enclave.

[calm trellis]

I kinda hope they don’t but there’s still a lot of questions about how she survived the war

[calm trellis]

Sounds like a bunch of communist traitors to me

[plush quest]

100% gonna pull a Shaun. Janey will be Lucy’s age and she’ll become The Ghoul’s spiritual successor after his character dies in S5

[mighty geyser]

I mean of course, but just because not all member of Americas high command were enclave doesn’t mean the ones who “were” enclave aren’t technically successors of the original govt

If you know what I mean

[calm trellis]

I just like the idea of the Enclave having a really stuck up bureaucracy

[void juniper]

without spoilers, how are we feeling about digital house?

i keep trying to get my wife to catch up so i can watch the last episode lol

[runic relic]

||do yall think we will see drippy outfits from the enclave in s3?||

[mighty geyser]

I hope they bring the fallout 3 enclave uniforms back

[runic relic]

legit

[plush quest]

I think for all intents and purposes he’s the real House. ||Less of an AI mimicking him and more of a “ghost in the machine”||

[mighty geyser]

Look love em or hate em, those enclave MPs in season 1 were dripped tf out

[calm trellis]

We need Enclave personnel with weird transatlantic accents

[plush quest]

Steph in an Enclave uniform 🥵

[runic relic]

but just to be clear

[calm trellis]

Why does Autumn have that accent anyways

[mighty geyser]

He’s got that Kentucky accent and it just sounds great

[runic relic]

we dont have em cus in fo3 edens enclave had manufactured those outfits and armour

[mighty geyser]

“Southern American accent”

Not Kentucky Myb

[plush quest]

I’m still on the hopium for a 3 remaster and holding out playing it till then

[runic relic]

and the ones in fo76 are prolly pre war enclave outfits

[calm trellis]

Half the Enclave federal budget goes to tailoring

[runic relic]

real lol

[plush quest]

August seems like a super interesting guy. It explains why so many Enclave fans think reforming them in a semi-good fashion is possible

[calm trellis]

I think he’s a pragmatist but not necessarily a good guy

[runic relic]

yea, would also solve the “comically evil faction” issue

[void juniper]

oh yeah, crazy people are saying its the double pretending to be him lmao

definitely seems like he died in NV, and this is a digital backup

not inconcievable that the guy who lived 200 years into the future in a life support pod had a backup plan if his body died

[mighty geyser]

I don’t think so, because the remnants in new Vegas specifically Judah kreger had the enclave officer uniform from fallout 3, and he never went to ravenrock

[calm trellis]

I’ll chalk that up to reusing assets tbh

It is a very good look though

[void juniper]

ngl, i would love to see eden in s3

[runic relic]

also true

[plush quest]

Uploading his consciousness into a digital form was always the plan and he’s kind of been doing it the entire time he was in stasis.

[runic relic]

new enclave villain would be better, and i hope they dont get destroyed, so we can enjoy em in fo5

[mighty geyser]

Bro is dead absolutely not

I hate Eden, hate him and I’m a major enclave fan

[calm trellis]

But is Bobby Apartment safe? Is he alright?

[plush quest]

The Cold Fusion just ensures he’s able to sustain himself at full capacity forever

[void juniper]

wait, the show is confirmed canon? this does not bode well lol

i forget, i know you can kill eden. was there an ending where he lives? crazy fo3 was almost 20 years ago

[runic relic]

dont like him either, he doesnt care abt the enclave at all

[plush quest]

His robots and detection systems probably update his software to keep him up to date with events in the Mojave, despite being “dead” or offline

[calm trellis]

Eden ain’t my president, he’s a clanker and unelected to boot

[mighty geyser]

So Eden is I believe canonized to be dead, however we have no idea if colonel autumn survived or was killed they left that up in the air

[runic relic]

they need to drop the “enclave is being controlled by evil AI” shi

and make an actual villain

[plush quest]

why would they spend hundreds of millions of dollars on a high quality show that’s visually consistent consistent with the source material if they weren’t going to make it canon?

Sorry that was too much snark

[calm trellis]

Turns out Clancy Brown’s POTUS is still alive and he inexplicably talks like Mr Krabs in season 3

[void juniper]

oh yeah i forgot you can ""convince"" autumn to leave

"my robot president will lead humanity into the future!"

"hey dude, your president is an ai that wasnt elected"

"my god... what have i done? im outta here"

[mighty geyser]

Eden assumed control that’s why autumn is more fit for leading the enclave and he was more open to value changes

[runic relic]

https://tenor.com/view/i-love-you-binh-gif-6142726653922245520

[void juniper]

it was awesome to see clancy brown tbh, i figured he was more of a cameo though

[calm trellis]

He greets Coop with “Vaultboy me bob!”

[coral juniper]

Which is not portrayed at all in the game

[calm trellis]

This is why you don’t let random wastelanders mess with the presidential line of succession

[mighty geyser]

It 100% is, I believe it’s actually apart of the speech check for autumn to leave

[plush quest]

S3-4 will just be rehashes of ideas from Fallout Van Buren with Presper being rewritten to be Enclave

[coral juniper]

The issue with the Enclave is they're an extremist faction that believes they're inheritors of the earth, they don't see themselves as evil and the whole AI is just the perfect example of what the Enclave believes in

[mighty geyser]

You could say that about the brotherhood of steel aswell just a little less extreme

[runic relic]

and we love them

[calm trellis]

Can’t wait for the Tactics fanservice

[coral juniper]

Yea just ignore the forced genetic screenings he ordered where if wastelanders don't agree to them they're to be executed and if you help him despite saying he may let you go he immediately executes you

[mighty geyser]

Better than just being executed flat out

[coral juniper]

Actions speak louder than words, Autumn's actions do not show an openness to change

[runic relic]

hes outfit is sick tho💔🙏

[coral juniper]

Until you realize the last time they enacted genetic screenings it was to make a genocide nuke

[calm trellis]

Baby steps alright

[mighty geyser]

Two options, autumn wants to use the purity project to gain positive rep, and Eden using modified FEV to kill LITERALLY everyone

[coral juniper]

Nah

He is a liar plain and simple

[calm trellis]

I always interpreted Autumn as being ambitious and wanting to establish the Capital Wasteland as a base of power

[mighty geyser]

You can call him a liar, but the fandom agrees with me

[coral juniper]

Rationalizing all the bad just like the Enclave did in fallout 2

[plush quest]

Enclave fans who unironically buy into the Enclave don’t have a lot of media and political literacy, or are just posers who really really like their aesthetic

[calm trellis]

Sgt Arch Dornan has aura of course

[mighty geyser]

Or hear me out, we think they are a really cool faction and is just based like that, no real world counterparts

[plush quest]

That falls under category 2

[coral juniper]

The Enclave is literally based off fascist Germany

[mighty geyser]

Didn’t think I’d have to bring real world morality into my video game universe

[calm trellis]

Actually they’re based off of the United States of America

[plush quest]

Well it’s a video game about morality. The first 3 literally had a morality system

[coral juniper]

The Enclave is a commentary on the dangers of fanaticism and extremism and fallout 3 just continued what 2 did

[mighty geyser]

Once again why autumn was the prime choice, atleast he was open to change, be it a little and still extreme, he didn’t want to kill everyone he sees, just the mutants and highly irradiated wasteland era

I’m just reading what the fandom enforces

[plush quest]

In my mind the Enclave is Fallout’s version of the snake from within that eventually swallows every empire

[coral juniper]

The fandom that believes that is very wrong lol

[calm trellis]

That’s not very patriotic of you

[mighty geyser]

So don’t use it he fallout official wiki got it

[coral juniper]

It's also not a wide spread belief like you're making it out to be

It's not an official wiki

[mighty geyser]

It is

[calm trellis]

It isn’t but Bethesda apparently relies on it lol

[coral juniper]

It's not lol

Official means Bethesda runs it

[mighty geyser]

I’ll compromise and say it’s used as an official source by writers

[coral juniper]

Like this is the official Bethesda discord, the fandom is not

[calm trellis]

That says more about how Bethesda documents things tbh

[coral juniper]

It's not official, there's no compromise

[calm trellis]

Compromise: fandom blows

[mighty geyser]

It’s recognized by Bethesda

[calm trellis]

It takes a lot of effort to make a POS wiki framework and by god they did it

I wish Fallout had something like UESP

[coral juniper]

And that proof is where?

[plush quest]

It’s not recognized by Bethesda as an official source. They just recognize it exists and makes statements about it sometimes

[mighty geyser]

Here I’ll ask a mod and see if they know if it’s recognized by Bethesda for lore accuracy

[coral juniper]

UESP often does interviews with Bethesda devs and Todd himself, that's not official

[calm trellis]

More precisely they use it to fill any gaps that their designers might have about lore

[plush quest]

Yeah they don’t have a singular lore guy making sure every bit of lore is consistent. I assume it’s a writing team that’s often working on different things simultaneously

[mighty geyser]

@tidal tendon is the fallout wiki/fandom recognized as lore accurate?

[plush quest]

Don’t ping mods 🤦‍♂️

[calm trellis]

Worth pointing out that there’s two Fallout wikis

[coral juniper]

You said it was official, not lore accurate

[plush quest]

Message them at @hearty pasture

[calm trellis]

Guy who is mad at Bethesda for not maintaining an internal wiki

I’m pretty sure that guy exists lmao

[plush quest]

It’s just etiquette

[coral juniper]

Anyway it really doesn't matter what Autumn thinks given well, he is effectively dead

[mighty geyser]

That’s my compromise

I mean didn’t a show writer use Oxhorns lore videos for reference?

[plush quest]

Any kind of internal reformation in the Enclave will be stamped out. Look at August and look at Eckhart

[mighty geyser]

Once again it hasn’t been officially stated he’s dead

[coral juniper]

If anything Autumn is a traitor to the Enclave as well

[mighty geyser]

Reformist enclave> purist enclave

[coral juniper]

Effectively dead means he ain't relevant anymore, even if he survived he would just be another remnant that fled and hide

[mighty geyser]

Unless he’s mentioned in s3 you never know with Bethesda

[coral juniper]

He don't matter, he failed the Enclave so bad he would be executed if he tried to come back

Fascists rarely tolerate failure and Autumn lost all the soldiers loyal to him

[calm trellis]

But only after being examined by a jury of his peers

[mighty geyser]

Man you just don’t want to see an reformist enclave appear in the show or games

[wraith goblet]

Does anyone know any info when season 3 will come out?

[mighty geyser]

You downplay everything I say as unofficial jargon

[coral juniper]

Because they can't reform because they don't look at anything they do as bad, they're raised on believing they're the genetically pure inheritors of the earth

No I'm saying Autumn is a known liar and does absolutely nothing to show he is reforming the enclave

[calm trellis]

Look, as long as the Enclave don’t raise my income tax they can do what they want

[coral juniper]

He gives a speech as literally everyone he commands is dead around him

He claims the Enclave is at his height despite he couldn't hold a single water purification facility

[calm trellis]

Never trust someone with a southern aristocratic accent

[coral juniper]

He is saying whatever he can to rationalize his defeat and defend the atrocities the Enclave commits

There is no reform, no acknowledgement of the terrible things the faction does, just rationalizing and trying to get the lone wanderer to stand down

[mighty geyser]

They 100% can change ideology especially after 2 major defeats, the enclave would understand they’d have to change up tactics to get back to full strength, it is actually more mature writing to change up or make a splinter cell that believes in this

[coral juniper]

Again the Enclave does not view what it does as bad

There is no reform

[plush quest]

The Enclave will never reform for the same reason the Joker is rarely seen fighting alongside Batman. It just bad writing.

They might do it for an issue or two, but it’s not usually well regarded

[mighty geyser]

Well tbf, the plot armor is crazy. They also used the Bradley Hercules platform to absolutely decimate prime, its peak bias to believe a single man, can wipe out the best of the best of this enclave force at the mobile base crawler, it just doesn’t make any other sense other than you are the main character 😭

[plush quest]

For the virtues and evils the Enclave represents, the whole idea an Enclave is irredeemable

[coral juniper]

They were also going to use the mobile crawler to destroy megaton and rivet city

[mighty geyser]

It’s one man vs like 50 spec ops enclave troopers in a fortress designed to be used as a secondary operations base

[coral juniper]

Well and yet the Enclave keeps getting wiped out

[plush quest]

If you truly want to change the Enclave, you gotta choose a different flag to fly other than the boogeyman of the wasteland for 200+ years

[coral juniper]

0 wins, many losses

[plush quest]

Usually they give the L to themselves

[coral juniper]

They'll just get destroyed again in the show

[plush quest]

How many experiments gone wrong and killed the scientists storylines have they done?

[tidal tendon]

Well it's fan based, so not officially. But they are pretty good about fact checking if what I heard is correct.

[mighty geyser]

Look, we all know the enclave are still bad and commit atrocities, what I’m saying is autumn was the only enclave leader to try to switch up the narrative to try and earn the favor of the wastelanders, even though bad things happen behind the scenes it’s literally the enclave, they will never be good guys, but you see the slightest change in ideology from “kill all muties” to “defend most wastelanders if they conform to our orders, while killing muties”

[mighty geyser]

I’ll take that compromise

Unofficial but are pretty good about fact checking lore

[coral juniper]

Nah

He isn't, does absolutely nothing to show it

[mighty geyser]

He doesn’t have anything to show for it because he’s in the middle of a civil war with Eden as well as a war with brotherhood of steel, if the enclave are bad either way, why did a civil war occur in ravenrock in the first place if they are basically the same?

[coral juniper]

It's like if I say I created cool ranch Doritos, I can say it means nothing if I can't prove it

[mighty geyser]

But he can’t prove it because he’s being held back by two major conflicts, he stated his intention on the matter, he didn’t have the chance to either follow through or trick us because of two major conflicts 😑

[coral juniper]

Nah

[mighty geyser]

Like this is straight from the wiki:

“In his service under President Eden, although Autumn was a high-ranking officer in a fascist paramilitary organization,[16] he represented a moderate course diverting away from the total genocide of all non-Enclave life that was the core of President Richardson's administration, expressing a fundamental disagreement with Eden's attempt to reimplement his predecessor's genocidal approach and exterminate all mutations in the wasteland (including large-scale purges of unmutated human wastelanders),[17] believing such methods to be too extreme.”

[coral juniper]

Written by fans

Again asking for what he does, not what he says

[mighty geyser]

Oh my god, so fans cannot interpret what dialogue means in the games?

[coral juniper]

They can be wrong about it too

[mighty geyser]

Bro you are just rage baiting at this point

[coral juniper]

No I'm asking what does he do to actually show it's reforming

[plush quest]

Tbf, it’s the wording they used is “he represents”

[coral juniper]

Simple concept, what does he do? He is giving orders to execute wastelanders who don't comply, that sure doesn't sound like reform and it's specifically from him, not Eden

[plush quest]

It doesn’t mean that’s what he actually says or believes in, that’s just how the community sees him as

[coral juniper]

So again why should I believe someone who is executing random people

[mighty geyser]

The Lone Wanderer: "Why do you want my help? Why not have Colonel Autumn help you?"
John Henry Eden: "Ah, yes. Colonel Autumn. My trusted subordinate. I'm sure you've noticed that Colonel Autumn and I do not see eye-to-eye these days, figuratively speaking of course. The good Colonel and I disagree on how best to approach the problem of the Wasteland. He feels my methods are too extreme. He has allowed his humanity to cloud his objectivity. And now that he is publicly countermanding my orders, I can no longer rely on him. And so I turn to you. I hope that you are able to see the larger picture, to understand what's at stake. And of course, if you are successful, there is a place for you in the Enclave. Perhaps you could succeed the Colonel as my confidant."

Dialogue straight from the game, interpret it anyway you like

[coral juniper]

I don't see reform

[mighty geyser]

You don’t see a shift in ideology

[plush quest]

Just because he’s two inches to the left doesn’t mean it’s a total shift in ideology

That’s just an excuse to accept fascism, just a little less extreme

[mighty geyser]

Bro I can’t appease you people, a reformist enclave would be fantastic, especially if they are used to fight the purist enclave

[coral juniper]

And again relatively doesn't matter given again he is effectively dead

He don't matter anymore, just a failed colonel who couldn't win a battle

[plush quest]

So you want an Enclave civil war?

[mighty geyser]

Bro he’s not dead though, you keep saying he’s effectively dead, but we have not idea what Bethesda has in stock…

[plush quest]

Purist Enclave win that 💯 of the time

[coral juniper]

He is lol

Autumn as a character ceased to exist when fallout 3 ended

[mighty geyser]

It’s hard to tell, reformist enclave would have more manpower, and more manpower means more weaponry to be used on a military smaller in numbers than the reformist

[mighty geyser]

Literally just game mechanics 😭

[coral juniper]

And lore

Reformist enclave don't exist

[plush quest]

At that point you’re just speculating on minute details of pure hypotheticals

[mighty geyser]

I wonder if maybe it’s because autumn was the only reformist ideals, like you know he was open to value changes

[coral juniper]

Well he is a failure that the Enclave wouldn't listen to because he lost D.C.

[mighty geyser]

I mean that’s all you can really do, everything I’ve said is based on a hypothetical, except what has been said in lore

[mighty geyser]

Interesting because all the human enclave troops sided with him rather than Eden

[coral juniper]

Another L for the faction that loves to collect them

And where are all those troops? Oh right dead

[mighty geyser]

Man screw it, kill all the muties I guess

[coral juniper]

They aren't the ones being killed tho

[mighty geyser]

Can’t have any faction changes, poor writing, enclave must be the bad guys in every fallout media

[plush quest]

I hope Super Mutants are the ones overseeing the fight against the Enclave in S3. Once again slain by their own creations

[coral juniper]

The Enclave still being around after 3 is bad writing yea

[mighty geyser]

Bro, you may be rage baiting but I find this fun, I like to share ideas about faction dynamics

[coral juniper]

I'm not ragebaiting I'm pointing out lore

In the battle between wastelanders and enclave the enclave always loses

[plush quest]

Unless they have a moon base and the hq’s we’ve seen so far are just satellite sites for the real High Command

[mighty geyser]

Plot armor always wins what can I say

[coral juniper]

Nah

[plush quest]

There are military and government installations all over the country that could potentially be written to be Enclave

[mighty geyser]

Bro 6th time you said nah, it’s just easy to tell you just ragebaiting🥶

[plush quest]

I’m an Enclave hater but I hope they’re strong so it’s more fun kicking them in the future

[mighty geyser]

Enclave can’t win in any games they are the punching bag for all fallout media 🗣️

[coral juniper]

The idea of a moon base is unrealistic because why would the president go to an oil rig months before the great war instead of the moon

[mighty geyser]

Great writing amiright

[coral juniper]

That's like complaining about the villains of Wolfenstein

[plush quest]

President might not be the top brass in the Enclave. There was a moon base in the leaked Van Buren documents

[coral juniper]

Nah that was an orbital nuclear platform

[plush quest]

And we know fighting was done there in the Sea of Tranquility, it’d be hard to fight for territory without a base camp

[gritty sparrow]

Bro the new vegas intro cameo was amazing

[mighty geyser]

What are your opinions on the brotherhood of steel basically being the poster child of fallout

[coral juniper]

Terrible

I'm tired of the brotherhood lol

[plush quest]

They deserve to be on some of the posters, but not all of them and rarely the main character

[coral juniper]

Fallout 4 would've been better without them and super mutants

[mighty geyser]

Do you think the brotherhood is much different than the enclave?

[coral juniper]

Oh they absolutely are

[mighty geyser]

Interesting…

[plush quest]

In ideology, a lot. In terms of technology and man power, they’re not far behind

[quartz fern]

honestly what the f are they doing

[coral juniper]

For instance the brotherhood don't have an ideology of genetic purity, they have a long history of coexisting with the wasteland, they actually create and develop useful tech outside of weaponry

[mighty geyser]

Not entirely true, what tech have they created outside of weaponry?

[plush quest]

They kind of do. Despite what you’ve heard the BoS are a hereditary monarchy. Every High Elder we know the name of has been a direct descendant of the original Maxon

[quartz fern]

i was thinking that maybe brotherhood ending is ruled out in fallout 4 because Liberty Prime doesn't work

[coral juniper]

In fallout 2 they're a major R&D house that makes and reintroduces medical technology back into the wasteland

[plush quest]

Arthur Maxon is the last direct descents of Roger Maxon and is likely High Elder by now

[coral juniper]

That's how they made their income, only the Shi were their rivals

[plush quest]

Can’t wait for the eventual Shi glow-up

[mighty geyser]

Mr House said it best when describing the faction:

[coral juniper]

House is a prewar fossil that was partly responsible for the actions that lead to the great war by being a member of the shadow government that would become the Enclave

His knowledge is limited

[plush quest]

Not sure if you saw the show, but he literally didn’t know the Enclave existed. He likely was used by them unknowingly though

I can’t fault the man for playing into a game he didn’t know he was a part of

[coral juniper]

He wants to build a city state that has no production capabilities in the Mojave that is entirely dependent on the NCR

[plush quest]

Same reason Atlantic City falls flat imo

Instead of the NCR it’s random wastelanders from surrounding states

[mighty geyser]

||He was not apart of the enclave the tv show stated that||

[coral juniper]

RobCo and the shadow government was like entirely linked throughout the series. They developed computers, robots, pipboys, etc etc

[plush quest]

That’s what I believed at first too. But House was never in the loop apparently

[mighty geyser]

The enclave def rewired the pipboys

[plush quest]

The Enclave probably just fooled him into working R&D for them

How else would they know about the brain chips?

Through Vault-Tec of course

[quartz fern]

man how is there another huge ass enclave hideout when one was destroyed already

[coral juniper]

Even when you consider that he is still pretty dumb considering his plans for New Vegas

The NCR would just need to close their borders to the Mojave and Vegas is done for

[plush quest]

Man just loved his city that much and wanted to preserve it as close to how it was like one of his snowglobes

It’s a major character fault but good writing imo. Like the Master, make him appear invulnerable only to realize his grand plan will never work

[mighty geyser]

Sorry had to find the transcript house described the brotherhood of steel as because it’s so true

[coral juniper]

It's really not and it shows how close minded he is about the actual state of the factions in the post-war world

[mighty geyser]

Well here look at the transcript it’s pretty damning

[plush quest]

In his mind, as long as he controls the House of New Vegas, he’ll always win

[coral juniper]

Which again, he goes "look at what democracy has brought" in reference to the wasteland meanwhile he would be nothing without the NCR

NCR food feeds the strip, NCR money keeps the casinos thriving, NCR trade fuels the Strip, NCR engineering powers the Strip

[plush quest]

I’m sure someone with as many contingencies as him would have a plan if his source of power and income dried up

We just don’t get to see it play out because we only spend a limited amount of time watching events unfold in the game

[coral juniper]

Again, he is a blind old fossil working on barely any accurate information

[mighty geyser]

Had to get the transcript together:

they're a terrorist group basically militant quasi religious Fanatics obsessed with hoarding pre-war
technology not all technology mind you you don't see them raiding hospitals to cart away autod dos or armfuls of
prosthetic organs no they greatly prefer the sort of technology that puts people in hospitals or Graves rather since
hospitals went the way of the dodo

because they're ridiculous because they gallivant around the Mojave pretending to be Knights of yore or did until the NCR showed them that ideological Purity and shiny power armor don't count
for much when you're outnumbered 15 to1 the world has no use for emotionally
unstable techn fetishists just wipe
them out will you

[coral juniper]

All of that is wrong lmao

[mighty geyser]

🗣️

[coral juniper]

That's what I'm saying, they do reintroduce technology to the wasteland

[plush quest]

Not necessarily wrong but extremely biased

[coral juniper]

That's literally their canon ending for fallout 1

[mighty geyser]

I mean it’s funny because the NCR did absolutely wipe the floor with them

[plush quest]

I’ve said it before, a mini-series or a PvP title based around the BoS NCR war would go hard

[coral juniper]

Even the bit of hospitals is wrong because the NCR has healthcare

Followers set up medical clinics too

[plush quest]

He makes mentions of people having auto-docs but no hospitals in the same breath. Sure they might be closer to clinics but he knows it’s basically the same thing

[distant breach]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-what-she-said-what-she-said-dirty-joke-joke-laugh-gif-15661968

[plush quest]

He’s just using polarizing and declarative statements to speech check you into being his on his side

[distant breach]

it's almost like this crisis guy hasn't played any other fallout game besides 4 / 76

[coral juniper]

I have played every Fallout

[distant breach]

https://tenor.com/view/doubt-press-x-la-noire-meme-x-button-gif-19259237

[coral juniper]

you should try talking in a constructive way instead of being openly aggressive

[distant breach]

If you played every fallout game you would already understand brotherhood that they are tech hoarders its the whole reason they exist

[mighty geyser]

If you truly did play all the game s you’d 100% know houses description is practically spot on for all BOS chapters except Lyons

[coral juniper]

https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/Fallout_endings#Major_research_and_development_house

Canon ending for Fallout 1 that is confirmed in Fallout 2

[plush quest]

Fans have gotta stop treating the BoS as one singular conglomerate organization all united in goals, virtues, and ideals.

[coral juniper]

Which I know because I played the games

[plush quest]

It’s clear that the storyline they’re taking them is that they’re just a loose federation of wildly differing chapters all flying the same flag

[mighty geyser]

I thought you said the fandom was fan written and not official, should you be citing specifically from the games not the fandom 😭

[plush quest]

Opinions about the Brotherhood should be taken with the context of how they’re presented in each game

[coral juniper]

Here you go https://youtu.be/iwXA_fIB2Ro?si=Ylksa6qNUjrbq1nj&t=410

[plush quest]

House might be right about the BoS in the Mojave, but that might not be true in California 40 years ago or the East Coast now

[coral juniper]

and since the Brotherhood wasn't destroyed and the brotherhood didn't become the Steel Plague weeeeeelllllllllllllll

We can say which ending became the ending canon

[mighty geyser]

So In some endings like the one after rhombus died the brotherhood becomes techno fiends?

[coral juniper]

Which Fallout 2 says did not happen

[distant breach]

fallout 1 ends in 2169 the show sets up 2296
to sit here and say that the enclave getting destroyed is cannon ending

[mighty geyser]

So are you saying the first two games contradict each other, what’s the point you are making?

[coral juniper]

That the brotherhood became a research and development house canonically that reintroduced technology, especially medical technology, back into the wasteland pointing out House was wrong

[mighty geyser]

Nah maxsons BOS in 4 is not much different then the enclave let’s be so fr

[coral juniper]

It is though

Maxson's BoS protects wastelanders, recruits them, attacks places controlled by raiders and super mutants, finds and reintroduces technology as a means of trade

[mighty geyser]

Even the shows brotherhood is not much different than the enclave, after quintus says the codex states ghouls children are abominations!

[coral juniper]

The Enclave didn't do a single thing like that

[mighty geyser]

Because they are written to be the bad guys, you refuse to believe a splinter cell enclave could exist

[coral juniper]

Because the Enclave have an ideology of inheritors of the earth where the impure have to make way

[distant breach]

''finds and reintroduces technology as a means of trade'' you do know that BoS are tech hoarders them trading tech with other people is totally wrong they are selfish they wanna prevent anyone from having prewar tech

[coral juniper]

The Brotherhood doesn't have that ideology

[mighty geyser]

I mean scientifically they aren’t inherently wrong, but humanity wise they are 100% wrong

[coral juniper]

Fallout 1, 2, 3, New Vegas and 4 disagree with you

Even the Brotherhood outcasts in 3 pay you for finding technology

[distant breach]

Yeah they give you caps but they don't trade tech with other people in the wasteland

[coral juniper]

That's literally how they make their income

[mighty geyser]

Sorry? New Vegas brotherhood is hesitant to give u anything until after you prove yourself by fetching stuff for them, and the fallout 3 outcasts will even be more excited to get hands on enclave power armor(not helpful to this claim but is pretty funny to me)

[coral juniper]

How else do you think the brotherhood supports themselves

[distant breach]

even after operation anchorage the outcast elder says to you that you can pick a few things the rest belongs to them because you helped them gain access

[mighty geyser]

And doesn’t the outcasts kill each other over that?

[coral juniper]

Fallout 2 again states that the ending where they became a major R&D house that reintroduces advanced technology to the wasteland is the canon ending

[distant breach]

yeah they have major civil war inside the bunker

[gritty sparrow]

to be honest the final was kinda mid but atleast we get a third season

[mighty geyser]

“2 years later 🗣️”

[coral juniper]

So yea stop the personal attacks saying "you didn't play Fallout so your opinion is invalidated" because I can actually state how I played the games

[distant breach]

they start filming in may so possible the next season comes next year january / february

[mighty geyser]

You were basically attacking my opinions on an reformist enclave by simply ignoring dialogue interpretations that clearly support my claim

[sterile torrent]

Let's move on please. We ask for everyone to remain respectful of other people in the chat.

[tidal tendon]

Please do not dodge the curse filter.

[glacial bridge]

I think the flag-bearer in the NCR scene was cool even if it doesn’t make a lot of sense realistically 👍

[tribal warren]

never underestimate a flag bearer. those people got kahunas! going into battle with that

[glacial bridge]

Literally aura farming their way to victory

[tribal warren]

yep and historically it helped 😄

[plush quest]

Do you think opposing flag bearers have instant animosity against each other on the battlefield. Like the Legion flag bearer thinks the NCR one is holding the flag all wrong

Opposing trumpet players should have trumpet battles while everyone else is going to war

Like that guy with the electric guitar strapped to the front of a car in Fury Road

[simple blaze]

God Bless the NCR.

[lofty prairie]

Long live the New California Republic

[simple blaze]

And all ye merry wastlanders

[exotic stone]

And all the curious vault dweller explorers like Lucy and Norm

[lofty prairie]

Colorado is next boys, can’t wait for Vault 0

[lofty prairie]

Who hit mr house with crowbars, sounds like a certain black mesa scientist

[calm trellis]

Rent

[mighty geyser]

Kinda wished it showed more brotherhood civil war clips in the finale, we still don’t know who’s airship was destroyed

[mighty geyser]

I mean they could also just be self efficient, have a garden in their bunker, water purifiers, etc

[calm trellis]

That doesn’t generate income

[mighty geyser]

Nah they do that water purifier farm meta caps method be fr

[lofty prairie]

Yeah lol

[calm trellis]

Does the NCR still collect taxes

On Season 3, Maximus attempts to lower the NCR’s budget deficit

[plain portal]

Captain Rodriguez may commission t51 or t60 version of ncr power armor

[mighty geyser]

Yk it’s bad when even the enclave doesn’t tax their soldiers

[lofty prairie]

Fr 😭

[lofty prairie]

The NCR power armour im pretty sure is a mix of PA’s for instance the arms look like T45 the chest looks like T60 the legs look like T51 and helmet im not to sure, the general consensus is that it’s welded onto them and they called it a day

[vivid meadow]

I think the show is 100% gonna pull the Shawn twist with Janey

[calm trellis]

It’s basically a custom piece

Did they reverse engineer the HUD for it though?

[oblique mortar]

By the way, the launcher on the back of the NCR armor, that’s from a Sentrybot, correct? I’m trying to pinpoint sources for the modifications.

[woven scaffold]

Don’t think it’s from Sentry Bot, just completely custom mods.

[coral juniper]

I think the NCR has the technological capabilities to develop their own power armor given they have the production capabilities and of course have captured BoS armor to work with

[glacial bridge]

Tbh for a society like the NCR, the fusion cores are probably more useful elsewhere. Even if just for powering vehicles to fuel their logistical operations.

[coral juniper]

I imagine they could also just make or recycle cores given that the Shi brought nuclear engineering back after Fallout 2 iirc and we know with Gecko, Necropolis and uranium mining still being a thing with Broken Hills that the NCR probably could build nuclear reactors, I doubt it though given the importance of Helios One and Hoover Dam, unless it became the emergency go to after they lost the Mojave

[vivid meadow]

With the engineers they had in the ncr then probably

[simple beacon]

Man, that ||liberty prime|| teaser was cool. If only there was a ||remaster of the game he originated in|| to capitalize on it.

||Eden better be in the next season. He's a computer, he can have backups. I just want my boy. My genocidal computer boy.||

[mighty geyser]

I don’t see the NCR being able to produce their own version of power armor that would usurp the hellfire, because I believe as of right now, the hellfire power armor is the most powerful PA in lore, (aside from the T-65)

Just because if they did you’d think they would have given their troops actual power armor in fallout new Vegas instead of basically ripping out the frame and giving t45 “armor” to troopers, I think there only like a few maybe even one suit of working t45 and it’s on that officer in the irradiated zone after nuking the Ncr in lonesome road

Especially after the fall of shady sands, they’ve been crippled in many areas of the west coast, still existing just not as powerful as they were in new Vegas or before FNV

[mighty geyser]

Let Eden die, bro is not the president, bros a clanker!!! We need real human enclave leaders

[lofty prairie]

Yeah she’s gonna be a middle aged white guy

[red forge]

Well it's only mid series now. Some things had to be wrapped up or justified how it's to be continued, but they can't conclude too much.

[plush quest]

This is television, not the video games. Huge cliff hangers and unfinished plot lines isn’t a bug, it’s a feature to get you to watch S3.

[orchid quest]

I did not expect to cry at seeing the NCR march in, but here we are.

[last garnet]

https://tenor.com/view/smiling-norm-maclean-fallout-grin-smirk-gif-15448108208604684617

norm is the real player

[plush quest]

Man’s probably gonna go back to the Vaults to try to save Chet. And everyone else in 33 and 32 I guess

Who’s more calculating? Norm or Steph?

Norm seems to understand how to break into Vault terminals better than Steph does

[last garnet]

norm cause he got rachel marsh 😎

[plush quest]

She named her cat Puppy. Steph will never expect someone that unpredictable

[last garnet]

also rachel looks way better on the vault jumpsuit

[frozen bramble]

I don't think that's going to be possible, at least not in the way that you're thinking

You have to consider how long it will take him to get back to the vault

Meanwhile Steph has already sent the message to The enclave asking for the initiation of phase 2 which is shown to be confirmed at a computer in the enclave base

But you also have to consider that she's doing this under duress, trapped in the overseers office, it's only a matter of time until the angry Vault dwellers manage to force the door open..

It honestly seems to me as if she made that request as some sort of last-ditch effort to avoid getting mobbed.

And if that is the case then that means the fev is probably installed in the fire suppression system or the ventilation system. Something that can be activated remotely from The enclave base that would trigger and infect everyone beating down her door.

And whatever may come of that, no way Norm makes it back in time. More than likely he'll just get infected for his trouble

[plush quest]

you're right he won't make it back in time. he'll open the vaults to find super mutant Chet and they head east to look for Lucy running into Super Mutant Pearlman and they get recruited into his war against the Enclave

the rest of the super mutated 32 and 33 Vault Dwellers find a footing in nuked remains of Shady Sands and start a new Super Mutant Vault City

assuming they don't become dumb violent brutes with a hatred for humans

[red forge]

This is 1 interesting thing about media production that maybe people don't think about.
The TV series "24" gives multiple points of view as they happen. 1 scene for 1 character could be playing out at the same time as a scene for another character.
Scenes in shows like Fallout, are not necessarily going to be chronologically 1 after the other. That's why there's points in the plot where there's path-crossing of characters and plotlines.

So the Ghoul could have easily entered Vault-tec's vault well before Lucy's fate was about to be decided on that observation platform.

As opposed to him almost magically fast-travelling to her as her plot-armour.

[void juniper]

so, the e8 post credit scene... the base was shaking

is the implication that liberty prime was attacking them?

i may be in the minority, i will always simp for liberty prime. is he overdone? yes. is democracy non-negotiable? also yes

rock em sock em liberty primes was not on my bingo card for s3 though

[cunning rock]

Who is going to reactivate the securitrons to push the deathclaws out and to help defend against legion and and enclave

[frozen bramble]

I am aware. However they've been remarkably straightforward in the telling of the story thus far so there's no reason to believe that they had done that this time around for this one specific sequence of events. That's why I didn't specifically bring it up. Also I thought my post was already too long of a text wall

[stiff blade]

||whoever finds the pip-boy with House on it||

[unkempt raptor]

||what if Janey is the new president of the Enclave 🤔||

[simple beacon]

I was convinced she was the old lady in Vault 33 until someone pointed out her in flashbacks in season 1

[urban bramble]

they nerf deathclaw so hard

[vivid sable]

The question I have is phase two could possible the self destruction of all vaults? She seems like the kind of person who might decide, if I’m going down, I’m taking everyone else with me. Remember, the vaults have a giant Nuclear Reactor that could easily be used to destroy each and every Vault. We’ll have to wait and see.

[kindred dawn]

As per the game, Liberty Prime Alpha was referenced in 3 & 4. Is there a chance S3 can be centred around Washington DC? Also which all game references are expected from Colorado arc?

[frozen bramble]

Yeah I don't think that would happen because that would prevent them from testing the fev on the residents. On account of everyone being dead. And she wouldn't need to contact the enclave to do that in the first place.

[red forge]

FEV is seemingly more likely what "Phase 2" is expected to be.

[calm trellis]

This show sucks. I’m sending death threats to Jonathan Nolan

[nocturne cloak]

Season 2 was just as 🔥 as Season 1 I hope they cook with Season 3

[frozen bramble]

They better, season 2's pacing was really weird.

It was good but not as good as it could be. Season 1 was definitely better.

[nocturne cloak]

Yea but the action man was top notch and there building up even more so now

[oblique mortar]

No, they were being fired upon by whatever remaining Airships there were.

[frozen bramble]

The action was good but the storytelling was all over the place. Season 1 it was a bit more balanced so that's why I feel like it's better.

[oblique mortar]

I do kinda hope if the 32-33ers become Super Mutants, that some of them retain some of their old mannerisms.

[frozen bramble]

I do hope that they don't become super mutants at all. I'm sure they will but.. that's really boring. I hope they have a different strain of the fev.

[oblique mortar]

Also, I know some will happily disagree with me, but part of me wants to hear some nod/throwback to the 76ers. Even if it is a ghoulified or super mutant one in Colorado who wandered west. Just to hear something about the fate of Appalachia.

[frozen bramble]

Now I will agree with you wholeheartedly on that

Maybe have it be the 76 overseer after being turned into a ghoul. Or heck even just her Mr handy.

[oblique mortar]

Or even Grahm, still peddling his wares with Chally the 50th or something.

[frozen bramble]

Well in that case I'd also say Maul would be a good choice. Still running around in search of the grognak comics

[oblique mortar]

I feel like with time he’d begin making his own Grognak legends, resulting in Super Mutants following him after mistaking these legends as tales of a mighty Super Mutant who Maul knew of.

[frozen bramble]

I feel like he probably would have come across a grognak costume of his own at some point and donned it himself

It would be cool if there was a super mutant in Ron Perlman's army that was wearing a grognak costume and introduces himself as Maul in season 3. Making an offhand comment at some point about his journeys in Appalachia.

[tribal warren]

I'm quite certain it'll be like the hallucinogen gas experiments found in fallout 4 above ground, but this would be a refined version to test in the vaults etc. Have a look back at what we saw of the other vault, everyone killed themselves in brutal ways. What she just triggered is likely a release of this gas/toxin to begin the experiment again.

No doubt next season we get an intro with Chet watching everyone go nuts killing eachother while he (as the doorman) escapes out into the wastes

recall the other free'd vault they find says "what's your vaults experiment"? never got that answer. It definitely was not a crop shortage imo. Crop shortage just a good reason for the overseer to activate the experiment since their dwellers would likely die out from starvation anyways. Might as well run the experiment & get some data.

it's also probably why vault tech didnt care about water chips failure rate because when that happened it just meant they would have a good opportunity to run experminents that likely end in death

[slow geyser]

Does anyone here know what days the episodes release?

[steep raven]

New season starts on December 16th, 2025

from there its weekly until the finale on February 4th, 2026

Very exciting

[tribal warren]

https://tenor.com/view/confused-huh-what-i-don't-understand-i-am-not-clear-about-it-gif-2326494806204735282

[sullen kiln]

https://klipy.com/gifs/midnight-the-cat-stopped-working-cat-meme

[tribal warren]

here's a non-sarcastic actual answer to your question. We don't fully know yet, but there are some details that we can look at. https://www.techradar.com/streaming/amazon-prime-video/fallout-season-3-hub

unless you didn't realize the season is over already, in that case, my condolences.

[slow geyser]

i haven’t watched it. i didn’t want to watch up-to what was at the time episode 4 and then have to watch the other 4 episodes at a later date

[slow geyser]

i thought the season ended on the 10th tbh

[tribal warren]

my condolences https://media.tenor.com/-WU9FFZKisYAAAAM/walton-goggins-cooper-howard.gif

[nova mango]

I just realized....in season 1 Hank McLean said "When we wipe the surface clean" he wasn't referring to Vault-Tec he was referring to The Enclave

[tribal warren]

heck yeah. They want to wipe the surface of anyone who is not them essentially. You could extrapolate from fallout 4 that they planned to wipe the earth & then recolonize another planet or moon

[nova mango]

Is that when they'll make the giant space ship aka their original plan?

[novel flame]

So watched ep 8
I was partially right about the fev being in that box
Not directly in it but had the enclave pipboy that steph used to initiate phase 2

[midnight comet]

|| I'm super confused on the Liberty Prime Alpha, wouldn't that be the Fallout 3 version of Liberty Prime and not Fallout 4 Version? ||

[novel flame]

Season two took about a year or two after season one initially released.
We can probably expect it next year or after

keyword.. probably

[tribal warren]

man i know i just don't like to think about it. gotta stay hooked on f76 or something till then haha

[tribal warren]

what makes you think FEV is related to that box.... ?

[novel flame]

Did you watch the show

i think it was easy piecing it together

[tribal warren]

yeah and the dead bodies from the sister vault were not super mutants.

[novel flame]

“phase 2”

Enclave and their connection to the vaults and their experiments in overall fallout lore regarding safehouse

Norman searching through barbara howard’s terminal and finding out about the fev virus trying to figure out his vaults purpose

[tribal warren]

There's no FEV strain shown to not mutate the host.

[novel flame]

Rewatch s2

[tribal warren]

why dont you?

[novel flame]

I just finished it

[tribal warren]

same.

you know, it's pretty uncivil to snail react me, tell me to rewatch the show, and simply refuse to elaborate. were here to discuss the fallout tv show, not put others down for their suggestions. i'm trying to theorize and discuss, you're just trying to tell me im wrong.

maybe read what i wrote and extrapolate on it, or talk about that, otherwise you're just being rude with what you've replied to me.

[sullen kiln]

Keep the chat friendly please.

[novel flame]

🤷

[tribal warren]

i think it would be cool if it's fev. I wanted to believe it'd be FEV. If you wanted to prove your point, you could just say that FEV was referred to as Phase 2, and steph directly said that. I agree there for sure. I just don't think it's going to be FEV in the traditional sense that we've seen so far, as we have not seen any resulting mutations, and the evidence shown to what happened to their sister vault appears to be suicide imo.

I never said it wasn't FEV, by the way, I simply asked you why you thought that.

[slate frost]

What if that legate who later crowned himself the new Caesar had stolen Lanius armor

[novel flame]

1. I told you to rewatch the show because you clearly didnt understand the elaboration ive already given
2. I did elaborate
3. Since when did i put people down for a suggestion, youre the one that deflected mine at me 😭

All in all i wasn’t the one that escalated it.

I wasnt trying to be rude i was trying to get clarification whether or not you watched it so i could better explain why i thought i was right about fev being tied to hank’s box.

Telling you to rewatch the show wasn’t out of rudeness

like the mod said lets not be mean to eachother from now on :]

[slate frost]

Who knows where this TV series is going

[novel flame]

Launius?

[slate frost]

There are so many questions

[slate frost]

Lanius *

[novel flame]

But who is lanius..?

did i miss someone in the show???

[slate frost]

He is a character from Fallout New Vegas

[novel flame]

Oh i havent played that so i wouldnt know sadly

[slate frost]

I recommend you to try it its a great game

[novel flame]

once i find enough storage to play it haha

[orchid lake]

You're missing out, def should try it

[novel flame]

Maybe the next big sale there is for new vegas ill buy it

[lofty prairie]

Im sad we didn’t find out what happened to lanius in the show. I’ve always seen him as a better villian to Caesar and his arc of only being apart of the legion just to serve Caesar and doesn’t care for the legion is so cool.

Lanius is my second fav fallout antagonist

So not seeing him or hearing of him made me sad

[slate frost]

I think the legion would be the most realistic thing in this context

[slate frost]

He went to the East maybe

[void juniper]

yknow, one thing i really dislike about the show is the voice modulation they use for power armor

its perfect in the game

[novel flame]

It …. is a little funny
I think its the only thing that makes the battle scenes involving it corny

But idk what else they wouldve put for the voice

[grizzled gate]

I think because we only have one or two characters speaking in-armor at a time, they don't need to worry about distinct voices. If we end up with more they might adjust it.

[tacit lantern]

I Wonder what happened to vulpes inculta

[lofty prairie]

Hopefully he burned

[plush quest]

From my one playthrough of NV, he’s currently blown to bits in the streets of Nipton

Nice of those powder gangers to be carrying so many explosives

Gonna call this early, someone repaired the tracks for a railroad that cuts through the Rockies. The Ghoul is going to have a western style train robbing scene on it.

[blazing stream]

Well that ended up being one of the most incompetently written shows I've ever watched.

Caesar's character 100% assasinated.

Bruh the crowbar mistake was wild

[sturdy tundra]

I reckon they'll incorporate it going forward as a thing they do but can also switch it off

Saves on some generic lines if the voices all sound the same when modulated, can have one person voice all of them (oops all Wes Johnson)

[blazing stream]

The result of Caesar's death should have included Lanius 100%. It's like the showrunners didn't even read the dialogue from the Endgame exchange with the courier AT ALL

The show possesses no gravitas whatsoever.

God the introduction of the veteran rangers was so poorly done...

[spring basin]

Does anyone in the show really need gravitas? That's like a star trek thing, not a fallout thing. The setting & characters can get pretty weird & goofy quite often, and how the show has balanced the serious and the silly has been impressive so far.

Could be said that either House or the Ghoul had some of that quality this season.

[blazing stream]

Yes. When you're making a show about Fallout New Vegas. Yes.

There are numerous occasions when characters of gravitas especially in Fallout New Vegas make the setting worth revisiting.

They're written with Substance and Nuance, the quantity and quality of which outpace the Eastcoast games.

[spring basin]

This wasn't a show about Fallout NV tho, it was a Fallout show that partially takes place in NV.

[blazing stream]

Instead of arguing I would just encourage you to both play the game and reason it out. In both Favor and Against.

[spring basin]

I've played NV like 6 times, I'm familiar with it.

[plush quest]

It's not really about NV or the events that happened in it. The show follows The Ghoul, Maximus, and Lucy. I agree they did the Legion dirty and the McCully Culkin Caesar thing doesn't really work for me. But they cram in so many characters and storylines as is. Someone as important as Lanius deserve a lot more screen time to make his inclusion worth it, which they frankly can't afford with only 8 episodes.

I litearlly can't take the show's Legion seriously. If it was that easy to nab Caesar's corpse, detroy the note, and declare themself the new Caesar, why didn't anyone do it in 10+ years

Realistically, someone would've grabbed the note within a week

[spring basin]

https://tenor.com/view/the-hangover-alan-this-isnt-the-real-caesars-palace-is-it-caesars-palace-las-vegas-gif-22056253

[plush quest]

and everyone was totally okay with Culkin declaring himself Caesar? With a dead witness in his tent and no evidence of the note?

[waxen silo]

I didn't see anyone else declaring themselves Caesar.

His sides "Caeser" was already dead and he was 2nd in command.

I don't think sitting around and having a vote is really legions style.

[minor gorge]

And remember, you're wrong and Bethesda is right.

As long as you remember that, you'll enjoy everything they give you

[waxen silo]

It's technically their lore, they can do whatever they want.

[red forge]

If the mound was anything like any sort of warzone boundary, there'd be sentries 24/7 who will shoot the opposition on sight.

Or a DMZ if you will, but the point is if someone from 1 side tries, the other side will not hesitate to shoot. That's the point that was established.

And with the 2 caesars in a stalemate, war would have broken out regardless.

That's why it was all left untouched.

[plush quest]

Even then the Legion are fanatical enough to form a charge. The sentries can’t shoot everyone who rushes for the corpse

And the attacking sentries are close enough to shoot at theirs

[red forge]

Then war would break out anyway.

[plush quest]

Yeah that’s what I find unbelievable. That war hasn’t been declared for how many years it’s been there

[red forge]

It was a cease fire.

Both sides live as long as no one touched caesar's corpse.

[plush quest]

I get that in a temporary state, but that cease fire has lasting long enough for bones to bleach

And what order of events would occurred to start the ceasefire in the first place

[red forge]

I mean... I'd want to make a comparison, but it involves real life politics, so I can't.

[plush quest]

It’s just hard to believe by the way the Legion operates that both sides would agree to a mostly peaceful but tenuous ceasefire

They’re disciplined but I don’t believe they’re that disciplined

Especially as much of a cult of personality og Caesar is, it’s hard to believe not one Legionary broke the ceasefire and managed to rush the 50 years to at least grab the note

And if both sides were afraid of the other claiming to be a false Caesar, why did Culkin have such an easy time doing exactly that?

Man grabbed the body, dragged it to his tent, killed a witness, and destroyed the evidence in like 5 min flat

If it was that easy why did it take this long? That seems like something that would’ve taken place within 2 weeks

[red forge]

Everyone was distracted killing each other.

[plush quest]

How is it different from the multiple other times they were killing each other for the corpse?

I’m sure the stalemate didn’t happen over nothing

[red forge]

I mean... not everything in the show needs to make sense. Just look at what happened to Bud's buds.

[plush quest]

Yeah it just feels like they did the Legion dirty with the lack of screentime and development they got

I want to know more about these 2 side by side camps that hate each other

But we never will

[waxen silo]

I don't think we need an entire series explain the last 15 years of legion. The war in Vegas stuff is going to be much more interesting anyway.

Maybe someone will write a follow-up book called "The Legion. the Lost years".

[plush quest]

I’m not asking for them to dedicate 1/3 of run time. I just wish McCully Culkin had more than 4 lines.

Which he might in S3, unless they pull another Paladin Xander

Feature a well known actor that seems like they’ll have a bigger role, only to kill them off early for the “unexpectedness” factor

[bold copper]

You asked the wrong question about caeser. If we are using actual canon then why would any legion soldier or leader allow the body of their leader to be so disrespected by laying out there without proper burial?

Also if we are using actual fallout canon then the next question is why did caeser write the note the way he did?

His point to the legion was to create a wasteland of order under the legion that would live on past him.

Both leaving the body lay out there and the note are not inline with actual canon which shows us that the show is in its own little timeline where everyone is stupid.

[bold copper]

Barely anything in the show makes sense. That is why i believe the show operated in its own timeline and not fallout timeline.
Its the only way to make sense with out the canon breaking events, characters acting stupid, and why companies wishing to blow up all the people that buy the goods makes sense.

[red forge]

I took this narrative as similar to Game of Thrones, where a new character introduced, expected to be popular or significant, is not guaranteed to have longevity.

Given the ending, when the NCR made their return too, no doubt we will see more of him. He basically said so himself with his speech about (re)taking Vegas.

[spring basin]

It does operate within the Fallout timeline, tho. We know the events of show are canon, and even Todd said Fallout 5 will solidify the show as canon.

[red forge]

Is someone arguing again that the show is not canon? All sorts of people seem to have their own head canon.
The TV show is canon. There's no Halo-esque alternate timeline.

[bold copper]

Im saying the only way the show makes sense is saying it is in its own timeline. If you place it within the fallout timeline then you have to admit it does not work.

Of course if you believe todd is god then sure, as god he waves his hand and the past is changed, locations changed, established characters personalities changed.

I myself will go with its in its own timeline so i dont have to keep seeing all the retcons to lore just to make it work. When i do that then the show “just works”.

You can go with the retconned lore as canon and we all know from star wars “canon is fluid, it can be whatever we want it to be whenever we want it.” That phrase was actually stated by one of the fans of the new stuff to justify retcons.

[simple blaze]

Claudia is adorable, our man Norm done won the lotto

[coral juniper]

Fwiw it's important to note Caesar is the title of the head of the legion, Edward Swallow the original Caesar is dead. This can happen in New Vegas too where if Caesar dies Legate Lanius takes over the Legion and declares himself Caesar after taking Vegas.

Lanius only takes over the Legion IF he captures Vegas which he uses as his right to claim the throne by doing what Caesar couldn't. If Caesar dies and Lanius runs away there isn't anything saying he takes over, if anything him surviving by running would hurt his chances to take over because he failed the Legion.

Remember that one lost battle saw Joshua Graham covered in tar, set on fire and thrown off the Legion's side of the dam

Honestly the issue so much isn't the new Caeasr, there being a civil war or any of that. The issue is Vegas is basically ruined and useless to either, why is this the center of their civil war instead of the legion proper which holds territory in Colorado, Arizona, Utah and it's parts of Nevada

Honestly that's the bigger complaint, even the whole Caesar's body still being there when a man like Edward Swallow whose ego was immense not having a massive tomb built in the heart of the Legion. Why would the body of a god just be left there by the legion? Makes no sense.

and of course this is knowing things which the writers don't know much of anything why not do a whole plot point of like when Alexander the Great, another figure at the time seen as a living god, died numerous generals tried to claim his corpse as a divine right to rule ended up with Ptolemy taking his body as a claim to rule over Egypt which was one of Alexander's strongest holdings.

[grizzled gate]

Yeah it'd be neat if they did a thing where rival bands of the Legion were fighting over claiming Caesar's corpse... Wait...

[coral juniper]

There's a difference here, Alexander the great's body was on the move to his tomb in Macedonia which was his capital and homeland when Ptolemy took it, again it makes literally no sense why a figure seen as a living god was left to rot in the camp instead of moved to a grand temple or tomb, especially considering a noticable personality trait of Edward Swallow was his ego

Edward Swallow was immensely into old Roman history, it was an important tradition and sign of power to have a massive tomb built and a lot of leaders in antiquity would spend their lives designing an elegant tomb. It was a power symbol that Edward Swallow would bring about again. It again makes no sense why the Legion's various power players wouldn't have jumped on Caesar's body the moment it went cold. The way the show did it made no sense and was incredibly stupid.

Then again it's the fallout show where they throw in fan service without understanding why people like things

[night heath]

But everybody being stupid is 100% in line with New Vegas . . .

[coral juniper]

No it's really not lol

House may get some stuff wrong about the wasteland as a point due to his isolation not getting him accurate information but his ideas are actually believable, NCR may have incompetent leaders but that itself isn't stupidity and they're shown to be an incredibly advanced and intelligent nation, the Legion is also not stupid yea Edward Swallow may be lying about his goals and intentionally misrepresenting stuff but that also doesn't take away from his tactical prowess and managing to build an almost unstoppable empire with low tech weaponry.

Same with all the side factions, the only one I'd say is really stupid is Powder Gangers for not noping the hell out of a prison but even then it's more they have nowhere else to go so might as well set up shop and build power in that region. The excuse of "everybody is stupid" is just a writer going "don't think too hard about our setting because baby we're here for the paycheck we ain't thinking hard"

Which yea, the show doesn't work with any critical thinking or trying to establish a real thought out plot, that's why nothing is ever really settled

Fallout isn't filled with stupid characters, the show writers are just telling on themselves

[lofty prairie]

Preston’s a stupid character lol

Another settlement needs your help, yeah well imma fire you cuz your literally doing nothing for the MM cause im awnsering to a private and im the general

What sick twisted world do we live in where a cosplaying goose gets to tell the leader.

[coral juniper]

No he actually isn't lol there's a difference between not liking a character and a character being stupid

Generals don't do everything on their own and the entire point of the general is to be a figurehead as a symbol of what the minutemen stand for, not an actual "Only I make the calls" hence why if you become a raider warlord in Nuka-world you get kicked out

You may be the General but Preston is the one with the influence and support network that he can actively kick you out when you break from the minutemen's goals by becoming a raider

[plush quest]

Even the “stupid” characters like Thaddeus or the fake Sonny have some spark of intelligence in them

I loved it when Lucy was questioning fake Sonny for him to answer in technically plausible ways that never directly implicates him

[wheat glacier]

I don't blame the show for "extra stupidity." But I think all of us people and the Wastelanders have some natural stupidity haha, and the show is getting that right. That almost feels MORE believe and aligned to the lore.

I think the inverse can also be true - sometimes it's easily bad writing when characters are just way too smart.

[coral juniper]

The show is just badly written

[wheat glacier]

Eh, I disagree but of course different perspectives make sense.

[coral juniper]

It's easier to defend your characters with "everybody is stupid" then actually write them out

It's also why nothing is ever resolved in a satisfying way

[wheat glacier]

I don't see them as all that stupid though.

A lot of them seem "reasonably stupid" haha - like real people.

Dane, Steph, and Lucy have struck me as "hard to believe" only a few times, but it's still believable and I definitely don't think they're stupid.

[lofty prairie]

When the zetans attack earth but you remember you were made in gods image and not them

[lofty prairie]

Yeah I was half joking, there is no horribly written character that I can think of. They may be annoying but the eccentriness to each character makes them good.

[wheat glacier]

Yeah I think they all round out very well.

[lofty prairie]

Help strong find human milk of kindness

[plush quest]

I think the way they handled the NCR was well done, even if they didn’t explicitly explain where they were the whole season

[lofty prairie]

Strong bored want to do more fighting, human look funny

[wheat glacier]

Lol what?

[lofty prairie]

Strong from fallout 4 the mutant

[plush quest]

Hank is stupid for thinking Lucy would go along with anything he’s doing, but other than that he’s a pretty cunning villain

[wheat glacier]

I don't even think that was stupid. I slightly discredit the show for how resolute Lucy stayed.

[lofty prairie]

I can forgive them for blowing up shady sands. It all comes together now and honestly it’s heNCR being more myth is more cooler

[wheat glacier]

But, it's sill believable as a creative choice. And I think they did a good job with things like she couldn't kill him, struggled to oppose him totally, etc.

[plush quest]

He was even semi-successful into getting Lucy on his side with the whole Legionary vs NCR vet display

[lofty prairie]

They are slowly building characters and honestly say what you will Maximus has grown heaps, Cooper carries the show but max is def main character it’s clear thet are giving him the saviour arc

[wheat glacier]

Yeah, I don't buy at all the idea that Hank is stupid. He kinda won against a lot of odds.

[lofty prairie]

I’d love more characters tbh. We got Thaddeus this season become part of the gang it seems.

[wheat glacier]

I feel that too. Ghoul is just too cool to need an assist with carrying. But Maximus character is the most exciting to me so far.

[lofty prairie]

Cooper is legitimately what I have been begging for in a fallout for years. A cool ghoul gunslinger Thats like Raul but cooler.

Whenever coopers on screen im happy he just fills the room and hes a well made character, and they dont overshadow him with a sappy family tragedy arc like others sometimes have.

[wheat glacier]

Yeah and I hope they just keep it simple. He's a good-bad dude and great at shooting haha

[lofty prairie]

Cooper is a character that if the slightest change happens breaks all well done things about him he is a bit of a wild card

[plush quest]

Lucy being so resolute can be disbelievable sometimes but it sticks to here characters. Nearly all the characters have some unshakable character motive.

The Ghoul will always make the choice that gets him to his family
Lucy will always do what she believe is morally good, even if she has to bend her definitions a little
And Maximus will always be confused but on the right track

[lofty prairie]

The one thing I don’t like is they keep bouncing off an on the romance arc between max and Lucy. Im all for romance in shows I think well done it gives the story flare but im going to be honest. I want cool masculine power armour deathclaw wrestling scenes not Romeo and Juliet.

[wheat glacier]

That is a very good way to put it. Agreed. And, in that way, it even feels game-real. Like your character always has some "archetype" to it.

[lofty prairie]

Max tho and cooper are by far my fav fallout characters so far

Max literally defied the brotherhood made it out alive and was willing to fight a irradiated lizard with a pool cue and funny shield

[wheat glacier]

That was pretty cool

[lofty prairie]

I was on edge the entire time cuz I was like how’s he gonna get out of this

[wheat glacier]

He was gonna die for sure

Lol... Deathclaw vs Pool Cue...

But they were honest about it. Even the scene set up made it look like he knew.

[lofty prairie]

Guys do you think Todd Howard’s gonna make a cameo in live action and it just a painting

His S tier acting skills

[plush quest]

Maximus really stole the show in the finale. The Ghoul and Lucy were busy having family moments, The Last Son of Shady Sands was out there soloing Deathclaws

[lofty prairie]

Someone had to explain to me what happened to Hank cuz tbh it was hella confusing what happened

[plush quest]

I guess Thaddeus helped too, loved how ride or die he was by the end

[lofty prairie]

I wish they made it clear what happened

[lofty prairie]

Yeah, also Thaddeus aint a centaur I keep hearing that theory and it’s dumb. Just wanna air it out for anyone who may type that.

[plush quest]

It was hard to parse because of his business jargon, but I think both the audience and Lucy aren’t supposed to 100% understand what happened

We just know it’s supposed to be tragic

[lofty prairie]

Bro became a fallout NPC

[wheat glacier]

Gotta go all. Avoid the mind control chips. Solo Deathclaws sparingly. Good luck out there in the Wastes...

[lofty prairie]

Good luck

[plush quest]

Erased all of his questing and dialogue scripts

[lofty prairie]

Yeah lol.

[spring basin]

https://tenor.com/view/llap-spock-live-long-and-prosper-star-trek-gif-4964318

[plush quest]

And set personality to default

[lofty prairie]

It’s a wood elf from Skyrim

[lofty prairie]

I gave up alcohol after settling down here doctor said i shot my liver ahh character

[wheat glacier]

I think this was an example of very good writing in the show. There's so many not-believable and lame things that could have happened. Then, they did something I never expected but worked really well.

But yeah, leaving now. Cya haha

[plush quest]

It was kind of dumb letting Lucy know he sent out undetectable drones into the Wasteland before frying himself

Maybe it was an act of intimidation? Like you better watch your back

[lofty prairie]

Yeah like tf she gonna do

Also how are the enclave coming back this much, they need to be studied and analysed cuz holy.

[plush quest]

I don’t mind the Enclave. I’m a certified Enclave hater but I like that they’re this seemingly impossible to defeat force of nature. It makes kicking their asses much more fun every time it happens.

The TV show taking place partially pre-war helps a lot

[night heath]

It was a blink and you miss it moment but they did.

There really is a whole lot of stupidity in New Vegas though.

[weak kayak]

It was speculated for a while that they had several sects left one being the moon and Chicago was another

It was also assumed each sect were acting on their own without communication with each other

[slim night]

The Enclave are a pre-war shadow government organization. They don’t need a “reason” to come back. To think the Enclave had only 2 bases (one on east and one on west) is honestly pretty short-sighted. They have always had deep ties within Vault-Tec, and I believe that they are all around the world. Canada, The United States, Russia, China. A place in the Rocky Mountains, Colorado is a perfect place for them. I would reckon they have vaults within Russia, China, Canada, Mexico, The UK, and some other nations. Hank said it himself - The Surface is the experiment. The Enclave would have been trying to get the bombs to drop this whole time, they didn’t care which government did it.

[lofty prairie]

Why the enclave gotta be so nefarious why can’t they be chill dudes

[night heath]

Everybody talked like there was supposed to be this big surprise ending in S2. It must have gone over my head if there was one.

[trim quest]

||Libery Prime||

[night heath]

Oh. That's it?

[plush quest]

||The NCR|| coming back was a hype moment too

Spending most of the season wondering ||if they were a myth made the reveal so much cooler. ||

[lofty prairie]

Guys do you think each section of the enclave looks down on each other with disgust i ask because the west chapter and east chapter both fell and the higher ups probs saw them as weak

Also im excited to see in the show if they have new PA

[plush quest]

They probably have bases in most major military instillations like NORAD and major shipyards

[night heath]

The NCR was a more interesting twist.

[lofty prairie]

Do you think the enclave ever went looking for MODUS

[plush quest]

Now that they definitely back I can’t wait for the exposition dump from them in S3

[lofty prairie]

OR better yet vault 79 seeing how all the golds there

[lofty prairie]

They gonna be hella facist

[plush quest]

We’re gonna learn so much more about what happened in those 15 years from the mouths of the NCR themselves

[lofty prairie]

Oh mb I thought u meant the enclave

[lofty prairie]

The NCR been building an army with the Midwest BOS trust

[plush quest]

My theory is that the NCR and Legion armies will be at a stalemate only for a 3rd party to swoop in and chase them off

Maybe the Enclave but I’d like to see it be the Khans

[lofty prairie]

A certain faction that starts with an E prehaps

[lofty prairie]

Nah they off in Utah

[plush quest]

Mama June did say the NCR were off fighting in Khan territory

And Khans are traditionally nomadic

[lofty prairie]

I hated how people were like oh… NCR is completely destroyed cuz of shady sands like they don’t own the state

Thet arent defined by their capital alone

I hope Maximus becomes the new President of the NCR

[plush quest]

People were confused because they thought that Moledaver’s NCR remnants were all that were left

[lofty prairie]

lol that would be embarrassing and they were not the NCR I saw them more as farmers who bared their flag

Legit they looked like raiders more than anything

Especially those guards at the observatory

[plush quest]

They’re probably the militant survivors of Shady Sands, while most of the Civilians sheltered in Vault 4

[lofty prairie]

It’s fire seeing the service rifle again

[plush quest]

Not necessarily their army, but the ones remaining willing to bare arms

[lofty prairie]

Im glad they didn’t go oh the NCR uses assultron rifles from fallout 4

[plush quest]

That’s BoS standard issue now ig

[lofty prairie]

Yeah thats probs a better description, cuz they were heavily undertrained than normal soldiers

[lofty prairie]

They are devolving

[plush quest]

When are they not?

[lofty prairie]

ALSO when will I get to see my T51 PA

[plush quest]

I guess Lyon’s chapter did some good but even then they were struggling for the while

[lofty prairie]

Imo Arthur did the better eastern chapter he did total unification but is completely insane

[plush quest]

And it eventually devolved again into Arthur Maxon’s chapter

[lofty prairie]

Arthur was better in a sense he could keep crap together and actually be a threat

[plush quest]

Arthur’s chapter is more militant 100%

[lofty prairie]

The only reason so many BOS soldiers died in 3 is how incompetent Lyons was

[plush quest]

I want to know what the transition of power looked like

Maxon seems like the type to inspire a coup

[lofty prairie]

It’s would’ve been unstable especially when Sarah died cuz Arthur wasnt old enough so for like 5 years thet had to probs have a paladin be a stand in elder

[lofty prairie]

He was handed down the mantle by the west

[plush quest]

Probably, that was always his destiny being the last known descendant of the original Roger

Man likely got fast tracked into being a Paladin as soon as he reached 18

And got promoted to elder by 20

[lofty prairie]

Yeah, he also became extremely bitter after Sarah’s death

Also holy the wasteland has made him look 55

[plush quest]

Whoever trained him probably put him through hell to achieve an early Paladin ranking

[lofty prairie]

Also if the west approved of Arthur’s anointment why the hell then didnt quintus say anything earlier

[lofty prairie]

Yeah as he had little to know combat experience, but he did manage to kill a deathclaw with a combat knife and save the paladins who were sent after him

[plush quest]

I want to know who was high elder at the time. Or if there even was one

[lofty prairie]

Someone unarmed probs on the west

[plush quest]

The council was probably waiting for Maxon to reach of age and accomplishment to declare him next High Elder

Because that position has always been taken up by a Maxon, as far as we know

And like many Nepo babies, they become crazed with power and eventually send the whole company plummeting into the ground

[calm trellis]

Personally I think it was lame. I hate anything having to do with the east coast; IMO Fallout was a trash series until Bethesda took control. New Vegas is borderline unplayable

Fallout 1 and 2 are objectively bad games

[spring basin]

https://tenor.com/view/vegeta-bait-troll-majin-vegeta-silly-gif-1044178863794935895

[night heath]

Who wants to tell him that Boston and D.C. are on the East Coast?

[frozen bramble]

https://tenor.com/view/looney-gif-8561417070170405595

[limpid edge]

https://tenor.com/view/jarry-hello-me-pick-me-waving-gif-14779629

[honest blaze]

Wait a second....does anyone else think that Manny let the Khan's take over Novac because he used to be one of them?

[flint blade]

hello chicken joe

[honest blaze]

hi

[cunning rock]

I think that anyone rooting for Seattle is unPATRIOTic

[alpine comet]

ouhh i dont like the gulper

ion like those hands

eughh

yuck

[night heath]

The radroaches. I already don't like the roaches they mutated from.

[nova mango]

Agreed amd definitely agreed

[nova mango]

https://tenor.com/view/deimos-r6-siege-gif-6204485797971098070

[lofty prairie]

lol yeah, it’s low effort bait hes doing

[vivid meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/mgs4-snake-bait-old-snake-mgs-bait-bait-used-to-be-believable-gif-16665329923744849402

Fallout 1 was genuinely a good game unless you’re someone who thinks 2d games are unplayablez

[minor gorge]

https://youtu.be/DpGuD8OxHHI

[vivid meadow]

As someone whos overall dissapointed witb the show, Synthetic man should never be taken seriously. He’s just a giant grifter

[wraith goblet]

Just a hater 😑

[red forge]

Using professional opinionated youtuber clickbait as your own 2nd hand opinion is lazy.

[delicate spade]

Hank is faking

[red forge]

He might be. We'll find out if so.

[dapper geode]

https://tenor.com/view/caesars-legion-fallout-fallout-new-vegas-ceasar-legion-gif-17184616427659957695

[subtle glade]

Oh no

[weak kayak]

I’m not sure tbh he had the thing on the back of his neck and mentioned they had microscopic ones produced so it’s not out of the realm of possibility that he’s stuck like that

Unless someone takes out the signal

Best outcome he has currently is the NCR apprehended him

[frozen bramble]

That's what I was thinking too. He might not have had any batteries in that remote in his hand. He might have just been making a show of pressing the button and playing dumb to get Lucy to let him go.

Besides, after he pushes the button he plays all nice as if he's under the influence of the congresswoman who was being used as the basis for the devices anyway. But she's dead now so anyone affected by the signal should just become a mindless husk. Having their memory wiped with no additional personality over-writing it and all.

Sure The enclave has his research and the new chips in production but they will have to set up their own mainframe to operate them too. It'll take time to set all that up. And being all the way out in the Rocky mountains, it's highly likely that Vegas would be out of range.

So there's no reason for him to act the way he does after his mind is wiped unless it wasn't wiped and he was just faking It

[mighty geyser]

He also had a secondary remote, and I mean, why would the one he tried putting in his own daughter not work on him. Unless he’s just a master manipulator and he knew she would overpower him so he made the chip broken so he could just play it off as being brainwashed

[mighty geyser]

Who said the enclave didn’t already have their own mainframe prepped specifically for this moment

I just hope we get to see vault 0 taking over by the enclave fr

[frozen bramble]

Nobody said it but it is implied by the fact that the research they were doing had been abandoned. In fact the entire facility was completely empty. They just stopped what they were doing and left, decided to focus on other endeavors.

[weak kayak]

You have to look at the Legionaire that was still chipped even after Lucy destroyed the abomination of device the congresswoman’s head was hooked up to he was still under a trance. I believe he lied to her about the signals origin so it’s entirely plausible they have wave towers across America with people chipped like he was

If he’s in the next season he’s gonna be essentially be like a lobotmite from old world blues without any directives till the signal is off same with all the people he chipped

I believe the NCR and legion who are at the end of the episode are also chipped outside of the freeside population and Kevin McAllister and the whole battle will be a farce to take new vegas for the enclave

What gives it away is the woman who was with the ranger Hank took was leading the NCR regiment why would he chip one and not the other

If Hank is that cunning as the show is building him up as it’s likely a back pocket plan as middle finger to the house ai

This would make the enclave more terrifying imo

If this is the case I see the brotherhood coming in overpowering the chipped legion/NCR and taking the cold fusion chip with Dane being the one to do it

Taking the opportunity taken away from her when Maximus put razors in her boots back in season one

https://tenor.com/view/martin-scorsese-absolute-cinema-absolute-cinema-meme-martin-scorsese-meme-martin-scorsese-absolute-cinema-gif-7188464701423971028

Amazon hire me please jk

[frozen bramble]

https://tenor.com/view/punctuation-spelling-mistake-spell-check-grammar-grammar-police-gif-7692151714861108912

Not to be rude or anything but that is a very difficult post to read.

[weak kayak]

Was typing as i thought of it.

Would you like me to transcribe it in ye olden English

[frozen bramble]

No

[idle lake]

It'd be cool if they'd explore other countries of the world within the Fallout theme too.

[oblique mortar]

Might want to rewatch that whole scene. You can see the chips lined up and hooked up to a terminal mentioning they are being programmed. The chips are programmed, then installed on the back of the neck.

Now granted, we don’t know if Hank kept an upload of the senator’s mind as backup, or what programming was on that chip he got in particular. Given he was going to use it to make Lucy his perfect daughter again, it’s possible it had modified messaging on that chip.

[frosty wolf]

Honestly I hope that’s not the case because there is a chance that the ranger could have been snatched away while the others were distracted or presumed MIA while the other two made it to the NCR battalion. Furthermore, I doubt the legate is chipped mainly because he was staying in the middle of the camp and wasn’t in a position to be snatched.

[vivid meadow]

If they plan to have the fallout series go on forever i hope they do it like jojo’s where they wrap up a story and then jump to new characters in a new setting for the next story.

I really don’t want them to drag out the same plots for several more seasons.

[storm ravine]

I kinda like this idea!

[novel flame]

Id be surprised if it does go on that long the show looks like itd cost a lot to keep up.

The show would probably need tremendous amount of attention for that to happen i guess

If it ever will

[frozen badger]

What song plays in the enclave vault in the season 2 finale

Specifically with the ghoul

[oblique mortar]

It’s “Balada De La Trompeta”

[frozen bramble]

It doesn't cost anywhere near as much as what they're spending on the completely non-canon Wheel of Time adaptation.. they started off spending more money than what was spent on the final season from game of thrones.. just burning cash like it means nothing to them.

They were not faithful to the source material in the slightest, but they keep pouring tons and tons of money into it.

But they actually seem to be passionate about doing fallout the right way. So who can say?

Fallout has the potential and money making power to justify that kind of spending. It might become the PowerHouse they were hoping other series would be. And if it does? It'd be easy to see them extending it out as long as possible.

[spring basin]

Still wish they decided to keep up with Wheel of Time. Peak fiction.

[frozen bramble]

It was doomed from the start. They changed far too much right out the gate.
Fallout is different though. While they have been taking some liberties, they've stuck fairly close to the source material, close enough to tie in with the next game release, per Todd's claim.

[tribal warren]

hey uh.. i don't think that ||Maximus put the razor in Dane's boot|| here are the captions from that episode:
||Maximus to Quintis: I didn't do it. I did not. I... I wanted it to happen. Is that wrong?
Maximus to Dane: You know who did it?
Dane: Oh, I've narrowed it down to any one of those a**holes.
Dane: They asked if it was you.
Maximus: Yeah, they asked me the same thing.
Dane: I told 'em you wouldn't hurt a fly.||

Also i don't think Dane has any confirmed gender afaik.

[weak kayak]

It was one hundred percent him.

They were bad but nobody was eyeing that position harder than him,

Like you don’t say that about a friend who is getting the position if it wasn’t you.

Maybe Dane’s stand offish nature in season 2 is the plant that Dane knows he did it

[tribal warren]

there is no one on this earth i would look the other way about putting a razor blade in my shoe with potential for a permanent life long injury.

[weak kayak]

Exactly

[tribal warren]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-gif-21658987

[whole basin]

Dane admits to it end of season one

[tribal warren]

oof yeah i should have quoted a different episode, haha. ||

Dane later confesses to Maximus the truth about how they deliberately maimed themselves with the razor blade, stating they feared dying horribly in the wasteland, and apologizes for the trouble it caused him as a result.
||

[weak kayak]

Ah

I was thinking in the opposite direction forgot about that

[crisp grail]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/999779635871101060/1470822172313522414/image.png?ex=698cb164&is=698b5fe4&hm=a83f1003a2c4122a3b402fcaf81f51de43631f6d2fe83c3463edf4e25c88c6a4&

[frozen bramble]

I figured that would be the case

[crisp grail]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/999779635871101060/1470822665370730650/image.png?ex=698cb1d9&is=698b6059&hm=90d70848f4ee2f194926edd3d40b1ecf6a4555e16e57b051ecb908670f0b8ef2&

Also, that is quite a alot of Utah to get through

[frozen bramble]

He will probably magically get there within a week

Maybe he'll find a car that still works, or is only in need of minor repair.. you know like in fallout 1.. perhaps even the same make and model. That would be super awesome.

They could always just give him vertibird that he might find somewhere, abandoned, maybe with a pile of dead bodies inside it. But still functional. You don't know anything about his military training beyond the fact that he used to wear power armor. He might very well know how to fly one of those things. Could easily use that as a way to get him across Utah over to Colorado

[tribal warren]

maybe coop's story is a time-skip. First half of next season resolves the strip conflict, then they travel back to the vault, only to find even further connection to ||the enclave|| after seeing what ||phase 2|| is. After getting either some info from steph or the || enclave pip boy|| they probably decide to head to colorado in search of ||enclave|| and season ends for them how season 2 just ended for us, showing maximus & lucy overlooking colorado mountains, and with coop, he is placed in a situation where he is about to die again, and then season 4 || repeats a similar theme, but this time, lucy showing up last minute and saving the ghoul ||

it'd add up.. basically putting coop in the same situation lucy was just in. realizing ||your family is actually evil and have to make a tough decision, but hesitating|| only to be saved by lucy & maximus.

[frozen bramble]

If the co-creator is saying they want us viewers to ask where Lucy and Maximus are going next season.. I assume it's because they're gonna be headed somewhere new.

Dropping hints like that.. it's not going to be some place obvious

So with that in mind. My money is now on.. going somewhere in California to do NCR stuff with Maximus. Maybe.. just maybe.. someplace cool like Vault City could be on the table.

[weak kayak]

Yeah Vault City would be the spot because it’s gone off the radar for a bit too long

[frosty wolf]

Nah. I feel like Lucy and Maximus are stuck in Vegas while Norm is traveling California with Claudia (that’s her name right?)

[tribal warren]

that would be pretty awesome. what would the plot excuse for it be though?

hmm.. maybe to find moldaver?

can we talk about why moldaver has a fresh meal on a fresh plate too? who tf cooked this? https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/fallout/images/a/ad/FOTV_Lee_Moldaver_Food.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/1000?cb=20240425094526

[grizzled gate]

She was expecting guests

[marble yoke]

And Lucy ruined it with the severed head

[tribal warren]

yeah but like.. that looks tasty! i don't ever see stuff that looks tasty above ground in universe. they must have an NCR chef up there

[frozen badger]

Thats episode 7

[plush quest]

Norm’s probably gonna go back to Vaults 33 and 32 to try to save Chet and the vault dwellers from whatever Phase 2 is.

He’ll probably get there too late

The Ghoul might get on a repaired rail line on the way to Colorado and have a cool western style train shootout on the way. Maybe against the Enclave but I’d love to see it be Dom Pedro’s men.

[tribal warren]

oh my god... if they do this... i will be in heaven

[acoustic cypress]

My theory is that the ghoul’s storyline in s3 will more focus on his journey to Colorado, rather than being in Colorado itself, I’m also hoping (maybe in episode one or two) that we’ll get to see Zion in the present time, maybe with a Joshua Graham cameo if we’re lucky and also get to see his confrontation between the white legs, sorrows and dead horses played out in honest hearts. Lucy and Maximus will probably stay in vegas for most of the season, possibly helping the NCR rebuild in the area or doing work for house, I’m guessing episode one will showcase the battle between the NCR and legion. Norm’s story will probably revolve around going back to the vaults and saving people from the FEV experiments. Assuming they get a higher budget for s3 due to the success of the show, I’m also pretty confident that we’ll see more super mutants aswell as getting some enclave build up in coopers storyline. We also know that the Quintus chapter of the brotherhood will be trying to build a new prime and I assume we’ll see the commonwealth send in troops to avenge harkness and try prevent the building of the new prime.

[sullen bluff]

stop talking bro Thaddeus is a failed super mutant

[acoustic cypress]

Ik it doesn’t make sense lore wise seeing as centaurs are supposed too be multiple people/creatures all jumbled up but ngl it kinda looks like he’s turning into one judging by the teeth on his chest and his arm falling off. It also wouldn’t surprise me cause they retcon stuff all the time

[sullen bluff]

fr

just bc he can't fully be a super mutant

[versed path]

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/fallout/images/5/5d/Failed_FEV.png/revision/latest?cb=20110505195534

[lofty prairie]

How bro describes you to the 10/10s

[versed path]

how bro describes me the moment im talkin to my crush

[lofty prairie]

Lmao yeah

[versed path]

jissc i feel like you are around the same age as me lol

[lofty prairie]

Hmm same lol

[plush quest]

Thaddeus might be turning into a Floater. They have weird sideways facing mouths and don’t really have arms

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/fallout/images/5/59/FO76_081120_Fire_boyo.png/revision/latest?cb=20201109011231

[slow kite]

Oh my god and it was toothy like the floater mouths too 😭 nooo my goat lmao

[wraith goblet]

Ya’ll r special lmao, not even nowhere near close

[frozen bramble]

I would much prefer if he turns into something new.

[frozen bramble]

"Teeth on his chest" bro, what?! First off that's his collarbone and secondly, since when do centaurs have more than one mouth? They've got 3 tentacle tongues that share the same mouth and it's not anywhere near the torso

Plus they do have arms. Lots of them.

That the crawl around on. Because they are a hodgepodge of multiple people fused together

Dude's not fused with nobody. He can't become a centaur.

[acoustic cypress]

Firstly, I did say it wouldn’t make sense as he wasn’t fused with anyone, BUT there are some signs suggesting that he may be transforming into one. although you correctly pointed out they do not have any extra mouths, they are shown to have teeth coming out of their abdomen in the games (although not in the collarbone as seen in the show) Also if you’ve ever seen a centaur, they are VERY CLEARLY missing their two actual arms. Just syk I do hope that he isn’t turning into one, but I was just trying to point out that it is a possibility seeing as the fallout franchise does love a good retcon.

[frozen bramble]

To me, losing an arm isn't enough to conclude centaur as the cause.

It didn't just require multiple people. It required a large vat of FEV too. He only got a small dose of an unknown (to us viewers) drug that we're all suspecting had FEV in it given the way he's mutating but drugs typically have more than one component. The chicken lover did know that it would heal Thaddeus' wounds though so one can assume that at least he knows what it is. Or has seen it put to use before.

And if it's an experimental drug that was being developed to heal grievous wounds and whatnot using FEV and other unknown chemical components than it stands to reason it could have a wide variety of horrible body altering side effects.

That's why I've got my fingers crossed 🤞 for something brand new.

[acoustic cypress]

Yeah me too

[knotty holly]

well centaurs can definitely have multiple mouths, some have multiple heads

[frozen bramble]

Centaurs are the result of super mutants trying to create more super mutants by throwing a bunch of humans into a vat of FEV at the same time. Not knowing the proper way to administer it. The process fails, the humans merge together into the ungodly monstrosities known as centaurs and the super mutants change their methods of conversion until they figure out how to get it right.

A single use miracle cure is not just going to magically have that same effect

Or in the very least.. it absolutely shouldn't.

[grizzled gate]

Not everything needs to be A Thing You Remember

[knotty holly]

that isn't what I said, I just said they could have multiple mouths

[crisp grail]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/999779635871101060/1470904946768744459/IMG_1212.png?ex=698e4ffb&is=698cfe7b&hm=af9f6b3c5c4e30e285ad361f0ba80aeb125b8b9ce6a1b17629f22dc2d1d017ab&

🥺

[lofty prairie]

Fisto prime

[tacit lantern]

Please assume the position

[lofty prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/festthefestivefest-morgone-jones-morgan-jones-tweaking-tweak-gif-14491782401479632016

[tribal warren]

nah 10 caps is too expensive for that

[tawdry kernel]

Canadian 😭

[tribal warren]

is there a problem here or something...?

[tawdry kernel]

No mon amour

the joke went over you so me is apologizing

[tribal warren]

what joke?

[tawdry kernel]

Watch the show