fallout-tv-series

[tribal warren]

I guess, just personally, i didn't connect with that scene. If i woke up in a hospital missing major limbs, or the doc tells u uwill never walk again etc, I aint gonna just scream "kill me". Yes i know its different, but thats just me

[red forge]

Don't think she was in capacity to say much.

[austere vortex]

Calling it now, they are going to follow the same story of fallout 2, ||phase 2 will allow the enclave to use vault 31-33 as control stock for experiments, and then the wastelanders as experiments, testing FEV on them||

[oblique mortar]

And again, likely had to deal with the “Lovely Day for it” button-down and tie wearing slugs for a bit.

[tribal warren]

i feel like there were 3 scenes that got cut tbh. All exposition scenes giving context. One with coop first talking to house, one with lucy & the congresswoman, and one with hank & lucy. Maybe even a legion exposition scene got cut. It just feels like something was cut idk..

[austere vortex]

How did Ceasers legion not encounter or know about the enclave in Colorado? They didn’t control all of it but they controlled Denver and I am sure scouts found something hidden in the mountains

[limpid edge]

House is not gone. His image flashed on the screen when Lucy was looking out the windiw.

[distant breach]

The Enclave got their own scouts and makes sure that if anyone comes close to their location they get assassinated

[austere vortex]

In the words of Joshua Graham, “I have killed enough of their scouts for them to know I am still alive.” While you might not know exactly what’s there, you know something is there

[tribal warren]

I suspect that the chips were already in circulation at the enclave considering hank already went to the management vault off screen when shady sands was still around (he says this, that most are chipped already including the deathclaws). So likely the legion near them are all 100% chipped and actually just work for enclave secretly.

[distant breach]

of their scouts points out to legion scouts

[frozen bramble]

The only problem with that theory, is that the chips that are already in circulation are faulty. The management had already managed to shrink down their size but wasn't able to solve the problem of people's heads exploding almost immediately.

This is shown excessively as Hank worked on the original full size model to get all the kinks out of it first rather than doing his experiments using the smallest version.

So he started from the drawing board basically. To create a new chip that could then be miniaturized. The version that we see Hank the use at the end, is his. Not theirs. So anyone chipped with the old miniature models will need to have them replaced to prevent their heads popping during activation

[vivid meadow]

||Wish coop kept the house pipboy and just had him on his wrist as a sidekick for the rest of the show 😂||

[tribal warren]

I don't know about that, they worked pretty darn well to control the deathclaws, and the first gen's worked on the chickenlover, without really changing much. Pretty sure there's more than just deathclaws chipped up in new vegas, which happened before/during the shady sands fiasco

[red forge]

If they're controlling Deathclaws through the chip, it's going to have a different frequency and such.

[tribal warren]

it could also just be that hank was programming them himself manually and that is why their heads explode because he isn't quite good at it, hence why he uses the congresswoman instead (good natured).

[tribal warren]

not if, they are. This was confirmed in show. Also, enclave has mind controlled deathclaws in fallout 3.

[red forge]

Either or, I'd say it's more likely that the one designed to control deathclaws is going to be of different design to humans.

We're talking 2 different physiologies here. 2 separate living species.

There's not going to be a "1 design fits all purposes" basically.

If I'm proven wrong, so be, but until then, that's my take.

[tribal warren]

Enclave already had mind control chips for Deathclaws, hank likely just showed up to the strip using them as protection, then decided he could improve them & make them work on humans too. He solved this not by changing the chip, but by how it's programmed, as we don't really see any physical changes in the V1 chip throughout the story. The thing that we can reasonably conclude is that the congresswoman had some impact on the progression of the chip's programming which allowed it to function on humans too without head explosions. If hank can figure that out all on his own alone in a management vault, then I don't think its much of a stretch to assume that the enclave was also able to make such improvements at their research facility full of scientists over the past 200 years..

The physical change in the chip is just "miniaturization" as noted by hank, people with old gen 1 chip still work "properly". The key was always the congresswoman, imo, and I have no doubts the enclave are smart enough to figure that out on their own but with another person's head.

not to mention, we never hear enclave responding/interacting with Hank. We do see them responding to steph's signal. Maybe they heard his plea and thought "yeah right bud, we figured that out already"

[woven scaffold]

They don't necessarily need to have the Deathclaws be controlled. Just lure them out of Quarry Junction with an NCR trooper on a stick and guide them to Vegas, open the gate, and it's all over

[grizzled gate]

|| Goggins killing it as usual. You can see him completely change when he reads the Colorado postcard. He stopped being The Ghoul for a moment and was Cooper Howard again. ||

[frozen bramble]

Well then it's just a giant plot hole then. Because if the original chips worked so well then why did Hank need to do anything at all?

[woven scaffold]

The original chips from Fallout 3 may have worked on Deathclaw brains, but weren't completely compatible with human brains.

[tribal warren]

did nobody watch the show...? here's the captions for the interaction with hank & lucy about everyone being chipped already.

325
00:33:32,375 --> 00:33:33,582
Lucy: What experiment?

326
00:33:33,583 --> 00:33:37,957
Hank: I've already sent my R&D
out into the Wasteland.

327
00:33:37,958 --> 00:33:41,250
Hank: Their Boxes are the latest models, too.

328
00:33:42,333 --> 00:33:43,958
Hank: So you can't even see them.

329
00:33:54,166 --> 00:33:56,665
Hank: Unbeknownst to everyone,
they're following orders

330
00:33:56,666 --> 00:33:59,125
Hank: written for them centuries ago.

331
00:34:02,041 --> 00:34:03,583
Lucy: Orders to do what?

332
00:34:04,625 --> 00:34:06,000
Lucy: What did you do?

00:34:16,041 --> 00:34:17,625
Hank: I love you, Sugarbomb.

[frozen bramble]

Keeping in mind that deathclaws were originally under the enclave's control by a different type of chip entirely.

Unless they're trying to retcon the original lore

[woven scaffold]

I mean, they could be. The Brotherhood's upgraded Liberty Prime from Fallout 4, and the Prydwen they supposedly designed are both pre-war inventions now.

[blazing jackal]

Liberty prime was always a pre war invention

He was just never finished and shipped to Anchorage

[woven scaffold]

The original version was in Fallout 3. Fallout 4 has an upgraded version.

[blazing jackal]

It’s the same prime, they gather his parts and transport them to Boston via the Prydwen

https://fallout.wiki/wiki/Liberty_Prime

[woven scaffold]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Fallout/comments/1j046s8/new_vs_old_designs_74_liberty_prime/#lightbox

I know the art direction changed between games, but the difference between them is to great to reconcile them being the same design. Especially after being blown to bits.

[tribal warren]

Upon meeting Ingram at the airport, she will lead them to a sealed area of the depot where the remains of Liberty Prime, the Brotherhood war machine that was destroyed by the Enclave ten years ago, are stored.

[weak kayak]

The one in 4 is a kitbash

[blazing jackal]

We see the fallout 3 version of prime in the tv show in one of houses portraits, he was destroyed and rebuilt by the brotherhood which is why he looks different

[tribal warren]

Note: Destroyed by the enclave

[woven scaffold]

That's what I mean. But the end credits show the Brotherhood version as the one designed by Robert House, not the Fallout 3 one shown in the portrait with House.

[weak kayak]

They’ll have to differentiate it from 4s

[blazing jackal]

Especially if they wanna have maxson on screen

Gonna be hard to notice the difference between 2 primes

[weak kayak]

Have both Liberty primes duke it out

[woven scaffold]

https://tenor.com/view/entertainment-gif-25077868

[weak kayak]

Who’s to say maxon didn’t pillage the teleportation tech the institute made

[blazing jackal]

Bro just leaked season 3

[woven scaffold]

My dad works at Nintendo Bethesda.

[tribal warren]

my dad works for obthesda game studios and they're working on neo vegas 2

[weak kayak]

I didn’t know Neo vegas existed

[honest blaze]

What happens if Mr.House tries to reign back the control of Liberty Prime Alpha?

He's after all the creator, right?

[weak kayak]

Unless there’s a magical chip in it then no

[honest blaze]

Also did House seriously say that his physical body has been killed numerous times?

Tf does that mean?

[weak kayak]

He’s metaphorically speaking

That despite him being the little man outside of the main corporations at the board meetings in season 1 he was the one to get up and punch above his weight as in preparing for the end of the world and he did so by saving most of vegas from the bombs

[marble heron]

Probably the ways he could die to the courier

[weak kayak]

He asked the questions nobody else would

[frozen bramble]

That's not the problem being discussed. That only establishes that he sent them his research just now upon its completion. The chips they would've used while he was still living in vault 33 are the older models that were clearly showing to make their subjects head explode shortly after being activated. So those couldn't be used long term like the new ones can

[red forge]

It could just be an easter egg reference to NV, kinda like the Ghoul quoting about being side-tracked.

There's not always going to be a lore/canon reference to absolutely every aspect of the show.

[frozen bramble]

So the main issue I have is, how could Hank use the old imperfect chip, to send someone to deliver a nuke to Shady sands without their head blowing up 2 minutes later? As all that happens decades before he decides to go and remake the chip and work out its head exploding problem.

[tribal warren]

yeah and here is hank saying literally that the new ones are already out there. I can't argue what the actor literally said the audience, what he said is simply a fact. Outside of this, It's all speculation here, and I enjoy wondering and proposing situations, but we can't go against the literal captions of the show. I make no argument that I know authoritatively where the chip came from, or if it worked in limited fashions during his first vault exit, I'm just theorizing.

[vivid meadow]

The chip was designed by house, im thinking he had a supply of completed house chips and then had to reverse engineer his own after running out of those

[tribal warren]

I think maybe the chip did work after his first vault expedition but it was very limited in it's capability on what it could do without head exploding like they can only do 1 simple task maybe

[tribal warren]

ouu thats a good thought

then the issue wasnt the chips, but the programming 100%. House probably sold them the chip but they don't have the knowledge to use it effectively. I bet house can program V1 chip no head exploding.

[dusk blaze]

All the people that cried about the NCR being destroyed just to be glazing now lol

Almost like you have to let a shows plot develop

[crisp grail]

https://www.forbes.com/sites/paultassi/2026/02/03/a-fallout-3-remaster-did-not-launch-after-the-fallout-season-2-finale/

Sassy Tassi strikes again!

[coarse saddle]

Anyone watching the season 2 finale who hasn't played the fallout series is so lost 😂

[glacial bridge]

||Bradburton’s situation was a little less extreme than Welch’s. Welch’s head was actively decaying the entire time she was strapped into that thing.||

[tribal warren]

I know, it just didn't feel right to me. I just wouldn't want my last interaction/person I see only ever know me as the person who begged to be killed. She did at least say "Stop Him" implying she would have something to say if they took it further, but they didn't. She could likely unravel the entire story on her own if she explained anything, which is probably one of the main factors in why she became just a "Kill me" head that was entirely dismissed. Hank doesn't even bother to elaborate on the process, just explains her psyche and how it makes better programming, no explaining why is she a severed head, how she got there, why a computer couldnt do this, etc.

There's just so much info in that head, but no, smash it with a crowbar & leave, pretend it never existed. Just feels wrong imo.

Like I dont know maybe ask her how to actually stop him? she could probably guide her through how to disable the mind control chips entirely.

[glacial bridge]

I’m not gonna lie, if I was being used as the mainframe for a computer and they just stuck my head onto a stick, plugged me full of wires, and left me there to decay… I’d probably ask the first person who came across me to kill me too. That’s a fate worse than death imo.

[tribal warren]

well that's completely fair, but this is a bit of a subjective thing. Bud Askins is literally less, just a brain, and he lived nearly in isolation for 200+ years. He sounded happy as a clam when talking to norm. Not to mention, house... isn't even human anymore, but he never asked anyone to just kill him, even in his terribly crippled human form. the thing i agree with is the circumstance being distressing, as in what she is doing, but otherwise, the will to live is a pretty strong one.. I think we learned more from Bud than Welch. OK yeah sure he has a robo-body, but my point here is that so could Welch, it's even suggested by Lucy, but this is all just dismissed because "kill me"

[minor lark]

I wonder if she was frozen, and Hank decapitated her more recently to help his research. She didn't look very decayed for 200+ years if she was sitting there the whole time.

[tidal tendon]

Lol imagine that, this is exactly why we ask people not to discuss rumors. People get all hype and we gotta put out the fires if it doesn't happen.

[coarse saddle]

She was being used for evil purposes though and she'd rather die than have that. Also not sure why her programming was still working on the chipped people after she was destroyed

[tribal warren]

we could have got answers to this if they didnt' just kill her asap. Literally all we got is exactly this :
||

Lucy: Who is she?
Hank: Congresswoman Diane Welch, from Glendale. ISTP on the old Myers-Briggs, which is still the gold standard for personnel.
Ideal personality to scale. With the kind of attributes we could stand to see more of out there in the world, if you ask me. Well-meaning. Sweet. Non-threatening.
Lucy: Then, why would you do that to her?
Hank: Well... Daddy's job is complicated, sweetie.
||

[tribal warren]

ok, she was just presented a person with good intents right in front of her, offering to save her, so that threat is immediately gone. Also, she just programs the chips, she doesn't control the people directly. (from what i guess)

[minor lark]

They also didnt show what the fallout from killing her was. Did it stop the personality in the others? Did they die? Still the same programing? We see Legion dude chipped show up during that speech with her dad and he still was influenced. So many questions.

[tribal warren]

there wasn't any that's why i'm annoyed by it, they did nothing with her basically. she just programs them, and isn't needed after the chips are programmed.

[simple ore]

Can someone tell me some spoilers
||I think I'm confused, I thought his wife was that ghoul in season 1 then in season 2 it's actually that Canadian woman, she is his wife, can someone explain wth was going on because I'm confused, like if she is his wife how did Hank McLean have a child with the vault dweller that visited shady sands||
👆 It's spoilers for episode 8
Please someone explain (I can move my message to the spoilers channel if it exists)

[minor lark]

||Steph was the prewar wife it seems.||

[simple ore]

||and not Lucy's mother ?, that's what confused me, I think hank cheated on her lmao||

[tribal warren]

essentially instead of ||waking his actual wife, stephanie,|| he instead chose to marry a vault dweller & make a family with her instead. It doesn't sound like ||hank expected stephanie to wake during the same time period as him|| so he likely found some evidence ||of her deception|| which led him to think ok well i'm not going to ||wake her up then||

[minor lark]

Yeah you gotta remember ||that Hank is an Enclave agent. He had orders and the vault experiment to oversee. She likely wasn't suitable for the breeding program that was involved in the management experiment||

[simple ore]

Ohh now it makes sense

[simple blaze]

I wish we saw ||Ronnie’s death ||

[tribal warren]

at least we saw that that sweet potato stupid brain of his trip out about letting ||norm in|| resulting in his own ||death|| i legitimately laughed out loud at that

[minor lark]

Definitely gotta say I fear radroaches more now than I ever had.

[simple ore]

I'm ||disappointed that Veronica didn't appear, I wonder what happened to this girl|| but looks like they won't touch ||the characters from the game except for Mr house||

[simple blaze]

Brought it on hisself, ||thank god Claudia survived ||

[minor lark]

They didnt even mention the Mojave BOS chapter. I also think Quintus's chapter are the remnants of it.

[simple ore]

I think || if yes man ending is the canon ending, it means the courier wasn't forced to vaporize them|| I will wait for season 3, ts is good

[tribal warren]

I suspect that Claudia is ||actually a Chinese spy, undercover & thats why shes going along with Norm because she could get found out herself by the group eventually||

[green wren]

when will season 3 release ?

[crisp grail]

likely next year

tho we may be facing a new strike

[simple blaze]

Not again!

[simple ore]

Before I go I wanted to mention how funny || the ceasar letter was hilarious|| at least 90% predicted what was in the ||letter||

[crisp grail]

Aye

[simple ore]

Let them cook

[crisp grail]

i have hope that it wont be this bad this time. The streamers have a new negotiator. And A.I. is now tangible as a thing vs what it **might become - which is where they were years ago during the last strike

its mostly about Tilly , that A.I. actor thing

[tribal warren]

My jaw hit the floor when he just || ate it then walked out declaring himself new leader || I truly though his character was going to be more deep

[frozen bramble]

It may be more deep in the next season

In the interviews he did, he said he's more focused on raising his kids than anything else these days. Maybe that played a part in how brief his role was this season.

[delicate spade]

Courier 6 is ncr ranger

[nimble pike]

Wow... Wow... Wow
What a finale... It was amazing absolutly incredible

The fact that we need to wait one year to have the rest is a torture 🤣

I loved every second of this season, so much emotion but also so much promesses

[delicate spade]

The enclave are secretly china's b word btw not to spoil

[frozen bramble]

It was cool how they use the NCR ranger to recreate the shot from the opening scene in the video game. It was a nice tribute

[honest blaze]

Didn't he say his body was killed by tire irons and shot by people trying to make a name for themselves?

[weak kayak]

Who’s to say he’s not referring to the body double either

[honest blaze]

Wait a second

So was the body we killed in New Vegas just the body double?

[weak kayak]

It likely was

That’s the running theory

[honest blaze]

So all the CEOs in that secret Vault-Tec meeting and House the one man behind the glass was the Enclave guy? That's cool.

[weak kayak]

Yeah it was likely the scientist guy from the first season

As he popped up briefly in season 2 pre war

[quasi scarab]

Guys Bethesda has messed up with the Post-Credit scene.

[weak kayak]

In what way?

[quasi scarab]

One second i'll spoiler it all

||The Liberty Prime model we see on the schematics is the Liberty Prime Mk2 from Fallout 4 which was developed post-war during the rebuilding of prime, The schematics we see clearly state pre-war companies is meant to be interpreted as Pre-War, The schematics should've shown the Fallout 3 model or a version of it instead of the Fallout 4 one with the Beryllium Agitator from Mass Fusion||

||In this they retcon Liberty Prime Mk1 from Fallout 3 and some Fallout 4 lore||

[weak kayak]

Not the first time this has happened tbh like look at power armour

It’s probably something like that

[frozen bramble]

No they didn't. They've already come out and said that those post-credit scenes are just supposed to be about the "vibes" of what the future may hold and not definitive hints

[quasi scarab]

The BOS post credit scene to tease the next season?

The Credits are the ones that aren't canon, the Post-Credit scene is as it was teasing S3

[frozen bramble]

Ah i see I misread your post

But then again it might still be perfectly fine

We know that Liberty prime was never finished pre war.

[weak kayak]

Idk I think the credit art is supposed to be somewhat telling you what happend post hoover dam I’d assume their canon as well

[quasi scarab]

No it was confirmed they aren't canon

[weak kayak]

Oh then that’s lame

[quasi scarab]

But even if prime wasn't finished pre-war we see him fully built in Fallout 3 just with Power issues from Pre-War which is why he was never deployed

They still should've used the Fallout 3 design instead of Fallout 4s

[frozen bramble]

And we know that beryllium agitator is definitely pre war. It's entirely possible that Liberty prime was originally intended to use it but they were never able to get a hold of it for one reason or another before the bombs dropped. I could easily see them saying that in the next season. And so when the brotherhood decided to finish it in Fallout 3 they had to come up with something else

[quasi scarab]

Well that's the thing Prime was made for Anchorage so once again that doesn't make sense as that gave them years before the nukes

[frozen bramble]

We don't know how much of the Liberty prime blueprints the brotherhood was able to recover prior to the events of Fallout 3 taking place.

We know they didn't recover everything

They had to scour the ruins and it took them years to piece it back together

[quasi scarab]

Unless they also show Schematics for Liberty Prime Beta or something or Omega which could explain the design changes

[weak kayak]

The issue with building a liberty prime is they will have to maguffin parts like another head and chest in Area 51, but generally speaking Area 51 would be the ideal spot to have spare parts to the original on standby

[quasi scarab]

But i hope they do show Fallout 3's model at least in Schematics somewhere

[weak kayak]

It’s likely a copy of old schematics shared to the US military

[quasi scarab]

Still though they've got some hoops to jump through to keep the lore here

otherwise it will be quite a few retcons again

[weak kayak]

Unless the enclave have the parts

[quasi scarab]

My best guess if the BOS are going to build him from the ground up and we may see the Commonwealth Prime too

Prime Alpha vs Prime (Unknown)

[woven scaffold]

Prime Prime.

[weak kayak]

Also another thing they need someone as smart as dr Li

[sand grove]

i'm sure there's enough technology at area 51 to build a prime

[weak kayak]

Building one isn’t an issue it’s regulating the power flow

Both 3 and 4 make a big deal of that

[frozen bramble]

You're forgetting that they have the cold fusion device this time.

The enclave had it before but now where is it? Did Cooper take it with him when he left for Colorado or is it still in the 38?

[weak kayak]

Yep

He left it in 38

They would have to get past the Legion and NCR to get it

[tight forge]

||I'm assuming it's still there seeing we see houses face flicker on the monitor||

[frozen bramble]

Well as long as it is there,

[crisp grail]

Prime Dime

[frozen bramble]

That means it's possible the brotherhood could get a hold of it again in the next season.

[tight forge]

Over all such a banger finale

[crisp grail]

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[tribal warren]

I wonder if the reason that we saw house on the pip boy get dropped & left way down there (i know he flickers on the 38 screen) is going to lead into ||a faction going down there, or someone, maybe enclave handlers|| and house inadvertently || being able to listen in/get info on what they're up too|| via the pip boy still down there. Checkovs gun thing maybe?

[vapid kestrel]

||Alright who do we think is a synth mind controlled||

[frozen bramble]

Cooper

[tribal warren]

|| i think lucy is chipped and likely Barb as well. Lucy was likely chipped up when she slept in the vault overnight||

[frozen bramble]

||Coop has been playing right into their hands for so long it might be more than just a coincidence||

[tribal warren]

it would be neat but wouldn't it have prevented the whole feral stuff?

[frozen bramble]

||No? A cybernetic implant is not going to stop the decay of brain tissue||

[spring basin]

If that's the case, then why did || Hank indicate he was just about to chip her before the Ghoul shows up? ||

[tribal warren]

new gen update maybe? yeah the lucy one doesn't make much sense, I'll admit that wholely.

[tribal warren]

it's able to make deathclaws behave according to a command despite their nature. if feral is reverting to primal instincts due to brain damage, the chip should still overwrite some of that no?

[spring basin]

Definetely onto something with || Barb ||, and potentially, || Janey ||

I can already tell the Ghoul's story will not end well

[stiff condor]

I loved the part when ||Cooper said "it's fallout time" and started throwing nukes||

[tribal warren]

maybe once he realizes that there will never be a "happily ever after" with his family if ||they're enclave or indoctrinated with some faction|| he will change his story for the better.

[plush quest]

They’re gonna kill ||Barb and age up Janie to be part of the main cast||

The root of Coop’s family quest is keeping Janie safe

[tribal warren]

it's likely. but imo it's really really stupid that ||coop just drops house immediately|| like you don't think he could have told coop the date that the cryo chamber was last opened?

[plush quest]

I don’t understand how the Ghoul ||knows his family is still alive. All he saw was a postcard.||

Unless he’s huffing hopium

[woven scaffold]

He knows she was in the pod at some point.

So she survived the war at least.

[plush quest]

She could’ve left ||the pod 2 years or 200 years after the Great War ||

[woven scaffold]

That's true. But this is the first piece of evidence he's gotten so far. So I think he's flying high on the hopium.

[plush quest]

It’s going to be a Father situation ||where they’re revealed to be much older than he originally thought||

[tribal warren]

yes that part was a bit convoluted i think. i kinda get it.. but up until that point coop had no problem barking demands at house to get into the vault & see his family etc, but then just completely stops after getting no resolution to his search. It's really nonsensical, that. 100% i think house knows when they were released but isn't saying the date they were released to cooper because he wants cooper to be gone & knows if he says nothing that he will probably go to colorado & leave house alone. There's no way house can properly dethaw a vault tech cryo chamber in seconds, but can't read the logs of when it was last opened..

[woven scaffold]

He didn't want Coop to leave him. He was literally trying to call him back when he left the pip-boy and walked away.

[tribal warren]

that could be a ruse

[plush quest]

I thought the deal was that Coop gets his family and House gets a badass bodyguard to ensure he stays alive.

[frozen bramble]

No. The brain tissue is physically rotting away. It's not the same thing. The deathclaws minds are still intact.

[queen acorn]

THE ... ENDING

[tribal warren]

well don't just say flat out no sir, we're not loremasters.. just a theory. Who knows, maybe they will show what happens to ghouls with chips next season.

[frozen bramble]

In order to control a mind.. there has to be enough functional mind left

[gray badger]

So... Is that Cheyenne Mountain?

[tribal warren]

well, considering a half-dead head could program entire brain chips, not sure that tracks with fallout's wacky world.

if we have magical serums that reverse brain damage in ghouls, why not electronics too?

[orchid lake]

NORAD is Enclave confirmed???

[gray badger]

I would assume so

Especially since the annexation of Canada

[frozen bramble]

Half dead but brain still intact otherwise there'd be no point in killing her

[tribal warren]

my point remains. I'm not here to argue about what I think.

[hexed helm]

So power armor is just a glorified iron man suit now. Smh.

[tribal warren]

https://tenor.com/view/always-has-been-among-us-astronaut-space-betrayal-gif-23836476

[hexed helm]

Every generation iteration feels less and less like armored exosuits and more of something from a marvel comic.

[plush quest]

Yeah I wasn’t a huge fan of seeing the arm mounted rocket thrusters again

I thought it was silly the first time

[hexed helm]

thrusters, fantasy alloys, rocket backpacks. Whats next laser eye and arm beams?

[plush quest]

Also, did we see Maximus eject his fusion core at them like that one Fallout 4 perk?

[hexed helm]

Yeah that was cool, the audio ques were on point.

[woven scaffold]

I don't think he did? He had wrist mounted rockets as well as back mounted rockets.

[plush quest]

I just think so because the armor played the empty fusion core sound

Gotta rewatch and inspect the hud more

[woven scaffold]

His fusion core may have emptied, but I don't recall seeing an explosion to match that.

[tribal warren]

i didn't catch any fusion core ejection myself, just my 2 cents.

[plush quest]

Either way, super cool PA. I hope we get a fully realized version of it in a future game

[hexed helm]

season 2 didn't do the original factions justice ethier imo. In the end it seems like a rippled reflection of the game pre new vegas, ||Legion marching, ncr ariving, house awaking again|| 8 episodes dont really do much justice.

[plush quest]

Legion felt kind of lame. Culkin just casually dragged Caesar’s body into an almost empty tent

It was like 20 ft from the tent’s entrance

[tribal warren]

it'd be kinda cool if they kept it show-specific and later explain how the NCR made it like this. Maybe it's in fallout 5, and at the end of this tv show, the enclave is actually gone, and the NCR PA takes the place of the enclaves X01 as being the most advanced.

[plush quest]

They feel more like a plot device than an actually fully realized faction

[hexed helm]

Yeah that was lame. Also pretty sure this goes against lanius being ceasers canonical stand in when he dies.

I will say the art, background, and audio was on point tho

||When there was the slaughter of the vault surviviors all thier pip boys were beeping broken limbs||

[tribal warren]

the hand hold between Lucy & Maximus in the near end scene felt a bit forced/awkward, does anyone else agree?

[hexed helm]

tbh they are low int chars imo so akwardness seems appropriate

[tribal warren]

well yes but their initial hug renion felt good i thought

[hexed helm]

maxiumus is definately dumped special in luck strengh and endurence with mid charisma and lucy with the perception agility charisma build

[plush quest]

Maximus is driven solely by thirst

He didn’t care who the cold fusion went to as long as it got him to Lucy

[hexed helm]

Maximus what you doing with that there cold fusion

give it to a good person like lucy

Lucy addicted to buffout was kinda peak tho

[plush quest]

Drug addict Lucy was such a vibe

[hexed helm]

They just carried a bag of loaded perfectly fixed lever actions

it was great, to bad they never explained why all the kings gone feral and ghoulish

[tribal warren]

thinking of nolan, I always wonder if these kinda scenes did exist and were filmed, but were ultimately cut to fit things in

[frozen bramble]

Too bad indeed

I would've loved some backstory on that.

[hexed helm]

Yeah amazon needs to give them enough budget to 1-2 more episodes else your pace kinda gets affected

Cause ima be honest, I did not care about the incest care group or the canadian subplot

The candian suicide bomber out of no where was hillarious and had no context

like I thought the season 1 enclave auto turret missing in short range was jarring

[tribal warren]

yeah haha. it felt pretty Canadian to me though, sacrificing oneself to save a fellow Canadian.

[hexed helm]

They were running away from an internment camp... so your telling me some rando was just in the forrest at the right time and place ready with a boom boom vest

if this is canadas version of mysterious stranger ima cry

[tribal warren]

im sure that gets expanded on next season. there was likely a revolt in the camp, and there were planned suicide bombers to get the team past people etc

[hexed helm]

nah I want that in fallout 5 perk mysterious canadian bomber perk 😂

Absolute super mutant behavior

[hollow epoch]

Anyone else concerned for the third season? It feels like there is going to be too many things happening at once, with too many separate plots. Construction of Liberty Prime-A, Brotherhood Civil War, Howard going to Colorado, Enclave innating Phase 2, NCR vs Legion, Vault 33 rebellion, Norman doing... Norman things, some kind of potential abomination revolution - I just have no idea how this would fit within the frame of 8 episodes.

[tribal warren]

tbh if you have an explosive strapped to u, that big already, and see a PA tropper pull an AR on 2 unarmed women, you'd be a pretty crappy person to not step in (and likely hugging the PA guy before pulling the detonator would guarentee that PA will be affected)

[hexed helm]

yeah I don't think 8 episodes can handle the pace.

They need an additional episode or 2 per season.

[hollow epoch]

even the end of Season 2 felt a bit rushed

[plush quest]

The annexation of Canada scenes did great and much needed characterization for Steph. She was mostly a mystery before that

Makes her siding with the Enclave even more impactful knowing they’re likely directly responsible for her situation in the first place

[hexed helm]

I still think it was really stupid. You could draw agro with .44 revolver at range or far away with a rifle. like the mysterious stranger traditionally does. All you need is a distraction then that would do.

[tribal warren]

I'm not so sure that was the enclaves doing... I thought in lore reason was to fight the Alaskan front against china, and in this universe pretty much every major power absorbed their closest allies.

[plush quest]

I like the all the vault tec employees have their own motives and reasons for doing things. They aren’t just one note caricatures of corporate evil

Except maybe Ronnie. I hate that guy

[tribal warren]

sure if it was fallout and you were the player character. I doubt that the guy had a revolver or like.. outside weapons.. explosive can be improvised quite easily, easier than smuggling in guns

[plush quest]

Also Steph being Hank’s ex-wife was a total gut punch. Imagine telling that to someone who’s only seen season 1

[tribal warren]

it made me laugh and think so little of hank. i was already on that edge seeing how easy it was to get him drunk & take cold fusion. what a pathetic guy lol.

[hexed helm]

Brother could of used anything else. Pipeguns, a brick, rock, molitov, anything to draw agro away from them. I'm just saying.

[plush quest]

Steph was Lucy’s best friend AND her ex step mom

[tribal warren]

go back & rewatch that scene, tell me did he have any of those weapons on him? i'm not sure a suicide vest is something you wear when you have other options.

[hexed helm]

If they had explosives they could of used it way differently and be as effective than running up close to who you were trying to save

[tribal warren]

in game, mini nukes don't even wipe out PA, so yeah i think you'd want to get close..

[plush quest]

I thought Canadians were just naturally volatile

[hollow epoch]

Yeah this is one thing I didn't like... when Hank was in the Wasteland he is depicted as being cold and calculating - whereas in the snippets of the past he is depicted as a clumsy oaf

[plush quest]

I think it displays character growth over time. He slowly became more cold and calculating as he deepens his ties with the Enclave

But yeah pre-war Hank was a total goof

Tbf though, I’d fall for the Stephanie honey pot too

[hexed helm]

I really liked the pipboys in the show, the enclave pip boy and house platnum pip boy

I would love to have a mr house in my pip boy

[plush quest]

Fallout NV 2, your first companion is House in your pipboy

[hexed helm]

nice spin off from the vault boy ui

[hexed helm]

https://tenor.com/view/black-beard-peak-writing-black-beard-marshal-d-teach-peak-writing-barba-negra-gif-5446515270440960312

Yes

Like having an aditional companion

I see it as a johny silverhand cyber punk parrallel

[plush quest]

A NV2 would go so hard after the show. It’d fill in the gaps like what happened at Camp McCarren or how the Kings became ghouls

[hexed helm]

mhm automaton return building and refiting those clasic bots

Securitrons again would be cool

[plush quest]

No game has done a battle arena right imo. Robo death matches would be cool

[hexed helm]

its just a shame that the strip would be in such poor shape

thanks to deathclaws

[tribal warren]

oh we definitely gonna see securitrons go beast mode next season

[hexed helm]

ncr just ariving and legion to would also not help the iconic new vegas we remember. Vegas 2 would just be a larger freeside sadly

[plush quest]

There’s a securitron somewhere streaming the TV show lol

[hexed helm]

I thought it was peak seeing big mt corupted securitron mk2

[hollow epoch]

I reckon we'll also see a pre-war Liberty Prime in action in Alaska too - just makes sense if they are planning on rebuilding it

which that would be sick

[hexed helm]

oh yeah you mean the end credit with liberty prime alpha?

[plush quest]

kind of disappointed they’re doing Liberty Prime again. I was hoping Quintus would bust out some sick Zetan alien tech

But now at least there’s potential from some Prime v Prime action, assuming the Commonwealth got theirs online

[hexed helm]

idk how I would feel if it was non ironically zetans

[plush quest]

Maybe not Zetans but their tech. Like their blasters or some refurbished mech suits

[wheat glacier]

Eh, I'm not so sure because I don't know: Does he ever actually lose in the past or present?

[plush quest]

Repurpose their anti-gravity hovering tech to upgrade their airship

[hexed helm]

zetans always felt like a goofy twilight zone episode to me. To non ironically have them in the show would be very curious.

[wheat glacier]

Sure he seems to get "taken advantage of" but he also accomplished all of his goals I think? I'm not sure on the House vs Enclave getting the fission though. Idk what he was even trying to do on that whole situation or if he had a clear motive

[plush quest]

Quintus will definitely try to breach the Lucky 38 to steal cold fusion back to power Liberty Prime alpha

[hexed helm]

I don't think they need cold fusion if the original ran without it

[plush quest]

They needed the Beryllium Agitator to power prime on the east coast

[hollow epoch]

I think it is too early to say whether he actually achieved something - I assume Season 3 would cover this

[wheat glacier]

Even ending up with Steph doesn't seem like it's a "loss" for him. More like two very evil and manipulative people just got together haha

[wheat glacier]

Well just at current value I think he generally achieved what he intended to?

[plush quest]

He probably got a reaming from management for losing Cold Fusion after he got back

What was the point of bringing it to Vegas if you weren’t going to hand it off to anyone?

[wheat glacier]

He maneuvered around Lucy very effectively at least enough to be able to get to the button press. From there on out, I guess it's an L for him though but I'm not sure

[plush quest]

Does he even know it’s missing?

[hollow epoch]

Wasn't he going to give it to House?

[wheat glacier]

Kinda seems like he just went too far into his own mission and lost himself? But he didn't lose the mission?

[hollow epoch]

for some kind of deal? or am I tripping

[wheat glacier]

I just never saw Hank as a "loser" - I think he kinda won.

[plush quest]

That’s what was assumed. But idk if any deal actually happened

[hexed helm]

I kinda like that "mr house" got what he need. Platnum Chip, Cold Fusion, Yes Man.

[plush quest]

The House Always Wins

Living House and digi House are indistinguishable at this point

I think they pretty much confirmed House’s actual body is dead

[hexed helm]

Maybe

[plush quest]

He gets to live on as a ghost in the machine

[hexed helm]

Its always possible the poor man is still there without his crown.

[plush quest]

Not sure what he’d want with Vegas now that it’s a hot mess. But I’m sure he’ll figure out a way to revive the city again

[hexed helm]

what matters is that there is a house

[hollow epoch]

I just assumed that because Hank was in the Enclave he wanted the deal to not take place anyway - so that he could use someone (Howard) as a scapegoat to deliver the cold fusion to the Enclave (cold fusion being a Vault-Tec invention)

[hexed helm]

And we know the chip was installed, we know he had the energy source for his original os he had to down grade from

And yes man is there digging in the same data left by house

[plush quest]

That’s some 4D chess maneuvers from the Enclave if true

[hexed helm]

Also I did notice how agreeable and helpful house was with howard.

[hollow epoch]

I mean as House said - the Enclave was ahead of even him

[hexed helm]

very different to how human house was explosive and ego

[plush quest]

I think House just really admirable of Coop, being one of the few people to exist outside and effect his calculations

[hexed helm]

I think yes man is still there, somewhere

[plush quest]

House also just likes to yap. He doesn’t get much face to face contact because of his whole body double thing

[hexed helm]

Yes man in new vegas gives suggestions based on house data but he never forces you to do something. I saw something similar when howard restored the cold fusion with new house

[plush quest]

What were Yesman’s origins? Was he an original House creation or something Benny created?

[hexed helm]

I don't think benny was a cpu guy

he did snatch one and had a shop to work on yes man tho

[nimble pike]

So the body of House is dead ? It's just an AI of him ? He seems still there even after the ghoul is gone so he still have the cold fusion ?
So many questions... Wow

And the enclave is clearly back now
What disapoint me is that they still wants to spread the FEV around the world
What a waste...

[plush quest]

My read is that he’s pretending to be offline until the umpteenth NCR Legion war blows over

[hexed helm]

house could be alive or dead it doesnt matter right now its house ai thanks to blueprint of yes man and powered by cold fusion with installed platnum chip

[hexed helm]

I think so to

[nimble pike]

But why ? Hé cant do anything without securitrons

[hexed helm]

house reach isnt just securitrons

[plush quest]

So he isn’t a target maybe? He’ll probably go back online to manipulate Lucy and Maximus into doing something for him

[hexed helm]

it never was

[nimble pike]

Vegas is really in bad shape with another war, even if it will be only a little war. NCR and Legion are not many left

[hexed helm]

house has redundencies

always had, you play as one as courier 6

[nimble pike]

Seems to be the next step yes. The fact that Victor said that House "is gone" is weird

[hexed helm]

Besides this is THE HEAD of robco

[plush quest]

Viktor in general is weird to me. He conveniently has amnesia and was just waiting at Camp Golf for the Ghoul to arrive

[hexed helm]

we forget sometimes his impact in things like liberty prime, chip, ect

[wheat glacier]

They'd also be so vulnerable to him. They have no experience with who he is and I think it'd be super easy for him to feign being the "innocent" one that just wanted to protect Vegas.

Mix that with the war is about to happen, and I think he can play them pretty easily.

Or at least leverage them.

[empty agate]

Bro which ending of new vegas is cannon

[plush quest]

Maximus especially. Man’s dumb as bricks and has been manipulated by everyone he’s met

[wheat glacier]

Lol, I don't think he's that dumb

[plush quest]

He just has no purpose and is going along with whoever seems coolest at the moment

[hexed helm]

yes man

[empty agate]

Yeah but the yes man ending you kill house

[wheat glacier]

I mean, I think him and Lucy are both very understandably that archetype

They're kind of out of their depths with the wasteland

[tidal tendon]

Just a quick reminder to keep real world politics out of the chat, thanks!

[empty agate]

Or just leave him out of the pod

[hexed helm]

Myth. You don't have to. you just take his crown that gives him control. Leave him to rot alone.

[wheat glacier]

There's also a few critical times where he bucks the trend and it's a huge win

[empty agate]

I said or you just leave him out of his pod

So either way he would be dead, especially with the bacteria n stuff

[north jungle]

||I just cried when I saw the ranger||

[plush quest]

He’s definitely going to kill Quintus in S3. He killed a Knight in S1, a Paladin in S2, expect a dead Elder in S3

[wheat glacier]

Heading out all, good luck in the Wasteland

[plush quest]

I want to know what’s going on with the other chapters like Yosemite and Grand Canyon. The end credits scene makes it seem like there’s active fighting still happening

Are they just in their airships shelling Area 51?

[hollow epoch]

from the looks of it

[plush quest]

At that point why not just leave? Cold Fusion has been missing for a couple of days at that point

[empty agate]

..theres an end credits?

[plush quest]

Yes and it’s awesome

[hollow epoch]

oh boy. watch them

[frigid zodiac]

Funny how House was yapping the whole time Cooper was down in the vault

[hexed helm]

"I found some code snippets in one of mr house's databanks that will let me, um reprogram my personality! To be a little more assertive , basically!" - Yes Man 2nd Battle of hoover dam.

[empty agate]

In everye episode?

[hollow epoch]

I think it was just ep8, could be wrong though

[plush quest]

Kind of. But the final episode end credits scene is actually important

[vapid kestrel]

I ||thought it was NCR from the propaganda posters at the end?||

[lofty prairie]

Imma say this politically divisive statement, bacon and egg sandwiches clears the oh pancakes and waffles are better. They don’t even compete.

[plush quest]

On most episodes, the credits play over a rendered depiction of an in-universe location. the final episode has a post-credits scene with actual actors and contribute to the S3 narrative

[hexed helm]

After the assault on Hoover Dam, Yes Man informs the Courier that he has found pieces of code within Mr. House's mainframe that will "change his personality," and that he will seem to be offline for a little while until his personality change is complete. This personality change will make him more "assertive;" this is intended to mean that Yes Man will change his programming to ensure that no other people can manipulate him when the Courier is not present.

[rain nova]

Big question I had was ||How did dogmeat get to cooper when hes shown inside a building hiding during the deathclaw fight? or at least why didnt they explain it, it just feels like he teleported||

[empty agate]

Ahh i just watched episode 8 end credits || liberty prime alpha??? ||

[empty agate]

Its dogmeat, she teleports

[rain nova]

apparently so lol

[plush quest]

House probably gets lonely up there in his penthouse tower. He hasn’t spoken to anyone in like 15+ years

[rain nova]

||like im not doubting dogmeats ability to find a person, much less the ghoul, but it was just strange how they let us fill in the gap||

[lofty prairie]

It’s a prototype version, the one the east is the commercial version

[plush quest]

We might see some prime vs prime action in the future

[lofty prairie]

So koda basically theres two now

[tidal tendon]

Please do not dodge the curse filter

[empty agate]

That's kinda peak

Huh? Theres a filter?

[lofty prairie]

Idk tho what software the west liberty prime will use

[tidal tendon]

Yeah, not sure how it didn't catch that but it's there

[rain nova]

like all curse words or

[empty agate]

Damn

[rain nova]

lol

[empty agate]

That makes no sense to have a filter 😭

[tidal tendon]

the bad ones, yeah. Think PG-13

[plush quest]

inb4 House takes control of Quintus’s Prime

And we’ll have Pipboy House as well as House Prime

[rain nova]

yeah but like not even crap but with an S? its just odd for a server revolving around rated M games, at least fallout

[lofty prairie]

Yeah, also Quintius the destroyer he actually thinks he’s aura farming

[hexed helm]

Yes man would aprove of censorship especially when titles are for mature audiences. No raider talk here.

[rain nova]

at least its not like another server im in, crap is censored but damn and hell are fine, no clue why they consider crap a curse word, especially over the other two but its funny. annoying to retype messages tho

[empty agate]

Quintius is a a weak loser

[plush quest]

Quintus the Conqueror sound so much better but I guess he’s on a mission to destroy, not conquer

[tidal tendon]

It's a partnered server, different rules.

[lofty prairie]

Hell and damn aint bad words tho

[rain nova]

do they have a specific ruleset for partnered servers? or do they just play it safe because keeping the partner status is more important than letting people curse (which fair)

[plush quest]

If it’s in the bible it’s not a bad word! Bart Simpson taught me that!

[hexed helm]

who we partnered with? Fisher price?

[lofty prairie]

Yes lol

[empty agate]

Yes

[hexed helm]

oh man, my apologies, I didn't know.

[rain nova]

well I was raised thinking they were, but crap? crap definitely isnt. Damn and Hell were taught to me as like the bottom tier of swears, Damn, Hell, and Piss are likee the most minor curse words

crap was always on the same level as like calling someone a jerk

[plush quest]

Piss is a crude word but not a curse word imo

[lofty prairie]

You’ve not been to Australia clearly

[rain nova]

idk regardless this is off topic now mb

[hexed helm]

Man I can't wait for a fallout jumpstart collab. Or a mathblaster 2.

[tidal tendon]

I'm honestly not sure on the ins and outs of that. A bit above my paygrade I'm afraid.

[lofty prairie]

You sound like Ronnie Shaw after the castle battle 😭

[rain nova]

fair. Im just going to assume they play it safe for brand safety. Not unusual to be the case

[hexed helm]

We know, It's the Enclave.

[plush quest]

My parents let me curse but only if it’s appropriate for the situation. Like if I drop my fries on the ground

[hexed helm]

It's always the Enclave.

[lofty prairie]

Unclave

They full of old farts now

[hexed helm]

We shall be the brother hood of Todd Howard Chess club and liberate the wasteland

[plush quest]

Can’t wait to see how the Enclave gets their butts kicked this time

[lofty prairie]

They always comeback

[plush quest]

Stamping them out is a sport by now

[lofty prairie]

Yes lol

They need to stop getting defeated by low tier armies I mean FO3 T45 pa bos is just sad looseing to them and im a BOS lover

Enclave need major restructuring

[plush quest]

They usually take out themselves. Watch it be Maximus this time

[lofty prairie]

lol yeah

[hexed helm]

*un mask the enclave like scooby do villan and see its some kinda black rock subsidiary

[lofty prairie]

Watch Maximus become new president of the NCR

[hexed helm]

ah makes sense.

[plush quest]

Max and Lucy will likely meet the mystery Super Mutant who’ll recruit them into his war against the Enclave

[hexed helm]

*suit and tie talk only, we will circle back.

[lofty prairie]

Doubt it the super mutants hates humans, which this far out it’s surprising to see mutants in the west let alone this long share the masters ideals

[rain nova]

super mutant army when

[lofty prairie]

I think that’s what phase 2 is

[hexed helm]

I did think the super mutant scene was pretty cool

[plush quest]

Super Mutants defeating the Enclave would be cool. Once again slain by their own creations

[hexed helm]

Didn't expect them to plant uranium in a chest cavity like that

[rain nova]

no i meant anti-enclave, although the phase 2 might be how the vault gets interconnected with the super mutant army like if they turn into mutants and get recruited

[lofty prairie]

Fr goggins was acting a bit freaky

[plush quest]

That uranium will be the thing that saves Coop from a near death experience next season

[hexed helm]

tbh they did this with scorched beast.

[plush quest]

And the Gleaming Depths

modus is too many caps 😭

[hexed helm]

To many Caps. A rule here, a myth in fallout

[lofty prairie]

The show and lore is full circle to Appalachia

[hexed helm]

Such is the rules

yeah worst game in the series, its all about the market tie ins

[rain nova]

i need appalachia radio

[lofty prairie]

I won’t lie i have spent a lot in it, I probably funded Todd’s yacht

[rain nova]

god i never knew I loved old country before 76

[lofty prairie]

That woman annoys me, also country roads hasn’t been on the radio for a while did they remove the song

[plush quest]

If fans want a redemptive Enclave, I think the Arcade Gannon route is the way to go. The “good” former enclave personnel that aren’t cartoonishly evil get together to use their Enclave expertise to help the good guys

[lofty prairie]

I understand rehashing the plot of the 2nd and 3rd games but when is encalve too much???

[plush quest]

Colonel August reform from within is too slow and not great television imo

[lofty prairie]

I mean they can only do it so many times

[rain nova]

actually country roads isnt even the song i like, I actually only enjoy the brandi carlile cover of that song. I was thinking more like "walking the floor over you" and "16 tons"

[plush quest]

I think the Enclave are a great series villain because they’re personifications and commentary on irl corporate and political evils

[lofty prairie]

Yeah walking the floor is fire

[rain nova]

did a bunch of karoake during my 2nd breakup and that song definitely came up a few times

lmao

[lofty prairie]

Damn im sorry for your loss

[plush quest]

As long as the writers understand that kind of evil needs to be stamped out, I don’t mind them getting their asses kicked every other game

[rain nova]

nah this was a while ago, and glad it ended in hindsight. But the karoake was a great way to cope healthily and fallout 76 had some slappers

[lofty prairie]

Where do you think the enclave base is now? Cuz the one we saw first season gets abandoned

[plush quest]

It’s a good reminder of what happens when capital controls politics

[hexed helm]

We will never get a interesting morally grey or deep enclave from bethesda. They are cartoonishly evil that thier plans inevitably self sabotage.

2 airborne virus and suicidal oil platforms
3 suicidal, civil war ai, zak machine
76 bats and showers with creepy modus

and the show, season 1 enclave gave me comical while helmet police and scientists, none of the iconic military we known

[plush quest]

In my mind, High Command is situated on a moon base

With smaller facilities dotted across the US

[lofty prairie]

Oh yeah that’s why they cannot be defeated omg could u imagine if we get a moon war

[plush quest]

Battle of the Sea of Tranquility 2: Nuclear Boogaloo

[lofty prairie]

Todd moon war and my life is yours

[rain nova]

speaking of season 1 enclave, the turret scene is like one of my only real complaints about the show, that scene was a little ridiculous and they couldve just put the turret farther away or smth or given the scientist things to duck behind

[hexed helm]

I hate how the enclave tie in for season 3 is just a phychopathic murdering canadian woman who hooked up with a guy at the right time and place.

[rain nova]

and when i say ridiculous i mean bad ridiculous not fallout ridiculous which i enjoy

[lofty prairie]

Fr

[hexed helm]

exactly

[rain nova]

It was like the idiocracy turrets

[hexed helm]

phase 2 is just a consequence of getting caught, she looks like she doesnt even know what it is.

[plush quest]

Yeah but what if we get to see her in a uniform?

[lofty prairie]

Steph being Hal’s wife is crazy tho how many husbands does she have

Also did anyone know what happend it Hank? I was a bit confused

[hexed helm]

portal turrets talked more and had better aim

[rain nova]

I have to assume its putting FEV into the drinking water or air filters

[rain nova]

yeah but like the aim was like the idiocracy ones, after the jailbreak scene

[plush quest]

He essentially lobotomized himself, turning him into a drone for seemingly the Enclave

[lofty prairie]

Oh ok thanks cuz I was confused

[hexed helm]

it will be a comicly evil blond woman with a comicly evil cliche eyepatch its not great.

[rain nova]

modern day cyanide pill, and by modern day i mean in an alternate future 200 years from now

[plush quest]

Before he did, he released other indistinguishable drones into the strip waiting for a sleep cell style reactivation to cause maximum damage for the Enclave

Barb and Janie potentially may be 2 of them??

[lofty prairie]

I wanna see daddy horrigan in season 3

[rain nova]

I feel like shes going to try and join the enclave in a power grab, and either get killed or caught or something and have a satisfyiing death, and then we get the real villain, whoever it is

[hexed helm]

I prefered she used the bullet on her desk on herself. The charachter was not interesting to me, she is good at combat in season 1 and nothing else was really provided. Just showcased how look how comicly detatched and evil she is.

[plush quest]

Oh yeah she’s 100% gonna get hung by her own laurels

[rain nova]

Id love to learn more about her backstory just to learn more about how bad it was in canada

[plush quest]

The Canadian internment camp scene did a lot of work in explaining her motivation to me so I don’t mind

[rain nova]

Cause her heart is filled with malice, and seemingly for good reason. The "think of them as Americans" line was great

[plush quest]

Her mother telling her to “climb to the highest branch and keep holding on” totally fits in line with everything she’s done so far

[hexed helm]

her backstory is she is canadian, saw someone she cared for die, and now makes other people die and has a very high sneak and speach skill but only uses it in the vault for terrifying prescence perk. Shes not that interesting, the other oversear is. The old one who was also cocaine grandma from deadpool

[plush quest]

What higher branch is there than the Enclave?

[rain nova]

Just waiting for her to grab the wrong branch and fall

[rain nova]

Well she was presumably in an internment camp under horrid conditions which she blames americans for

Like given the history of P.O.W. camps and internment camps around the world and similar situations, I can only imagine

[hexed helm]

okay but how does that tie to all the factions we know and actualy care about or the cold fusion plot?

[plush quest]

It’s a good commentary on how the conditions of war can turn normal people against their fellow man

[hexed helm]

even the tie to the enclave was her just desperately faking it till she made it

its so dumb

[rain nova]

look im not gonna pretend like shes my favorite character, but shes definitely going to push the plot forward and I can't wait to see her get her just desserts

[plush quest]

Just realized Chet might become the new Overseer of 32

[rain nova]

I dont mind her as a plot device and character, just wont be my favorite or anywhere close

[rain nova]

I wanna see super mutant Chet leading the vault

[hexed helm]

if you have to make a charachter like that for the payoff to just see her fall. Thats not very good writing imo. I rather see that super mutant hook from that one episode than her

[plush quest]

Chet would be a totally chill Super Mutant. The dude’s completely harmless

[rain nova]

also between the fact that they confirmed betty has spies, and the cleanup of vault 32 going so smoothly and fast, I wonder which dwellers are plants from i dont even know where

[hexed helm]

betty is so cool imo

[rain nova]

love betty

[hexed helm]

way more interesting

[plush quest]

I can’t wait for Betty to get her own pre-war scenes. She’s the last mystery out of the original 31 managers

[rain nova]

cause i dont think theyre from vault 31, so theyre either groomed from birth to work for the overseers or maybe synths or something

[plush quest]

It seems like she became disillusioned with Vault Tecs mission during her time in 33, but still retains that cutthroat corporate sharpness from her time prewar

[rain nova]

Mhm

I really do want to know more about the Vault 33-32-31 secret service that cleaned vault 32 and Spies for Betty. Why do they go along with it and not say anything.

unless they have a force of like robots that did it

[plush quest]

Likely some unfrozen junior execs

[hexed helm]

lucy dad was a great villan btw

[plush quest]

The lucky ones that didn’t die to radroaches in the wasteland

[hexed helm]

i dont wanna be negative but man post war dude was awesome

[rain nova]

Hmm.

but like how many people were in 31 then?

[hexed helm]

lucy and her dad scene after he reset himself was great

[rain nova]

because there mustve been enough to work for the overseers for centuries

[hexed helm]

I felt the writing for the plan was good and believable to

[plush quest]

Kyle MacLachlan does a great menacing “good guy” villain performance

[rain nova]

Im leaning more and more for robots atp

[hexed helm]

really reflected well through the legion and ncr controllers

[plush quest]

He does it so well and so much that he actually wants to move away from villainous roles, which is likely why they erased his memory at the end of this season

[rain nova]

so sad uncle rico got brainwashed, wouldve liked more of him

[plush quest]

We still don’t know what happened to the chicken lover

[hexed helm]

like yes you could have a stable wasteland this dude with the canable trail mix lady was great, that scene was

[rain nova]

I mean presumably hes continuing work in the vault, but maybe hes one of the ones with a secret mission theyre working on and well see more of him in s3

[hexed helm]

actually good great

[rain nova]

Thaddeus was so funny in this last episode, him appearing on the roof with a barrel between his toes had me dying

[plush quest]

I was waiting for the fisto lover to simply pluck the brain chip off his neck and go “that was fun!” and wander off into the sunset

[hexed helm]

I like to believe that og protectron was a fisto cameo

The one the dude went on a date with

[nimble pike]

Personaly i think that she cant do anything else than calling the enclave. After all, everything is falling apart around her, she dont have any possibilities
Her goal is to eliminate the americans
Ironicaly, the enclave plan is to destroy america ahaha

[rain nova]

I love Thaddeus's character archetype in the wasteland, someone who is selfish but selfless for the right reasons

[plush quest]

It explicitly was fisto! He introduces himself as a Fully Integrated Security Technetronic Officer

[hexed helm]

Brilliant

[plush quest]

fisto also shows up in the official fake fallout talk show, also hosted by the chicken lover

[rain nova]

I dont think any of the controlled people in the management vault interested me beyond chicken lover and uncle rico

those are the only two I hope come back

[plush quest]

Thaddeus was great. He’ll be a rich man afterwards if the Freesiders honor their bets

“I used to make money for a living”

[rain nova]

Oh dude he'll be balling, but I doubt hes getting the money back with the legion on the doorstep of vegas

[plush quest]

the NCR might find uncle Rico if they discover the underground vt hq

[rain nova]

Unlikely, but the programming seems permanent

[plush quest]

It’ll be like allied soldiers discovering a topic not allowed to be discussed

[dark ibex]

So was the season good?

[plush quest]

Yes but feels unfinished. A lot left to be answered in S3

[plain trail]

I love how Lacerta ate the note from the old Caesar. All he had to do was grab the crown and poof "I'm your Caesar now!"

[rain nova]

https://tenor.com/view/it's-always-sunny-in-philadelphia-mac-dennis-reynolds-eating-eating-paper-gif-16026666874599441294

[plush quest]

He also had to murder a guy

[rain nova]

I assume that was like just in case he saw the note

[plush quest]

Which is probably an average Tuesday for him

Something like that has happened all through history. Most medieval civil wars were caused by lack of a clear successor

I thought that was the whole point of having 2 legion camps side by side. so that neither can just walk up, ignore the note, and claim themselves the next Caesar

[daring narwhal]

Has anyone watched the episode “The Strip” yet?

Gotta say I ain really suprised the president leads the enclave

[tribal warren]

i dont even like the legion but even I was a bit surprised by his actions here. i don't think we got enough screen time of Macaulay Culkin's chacater to really have his actions in that scene seem natural/appropriate. All we can really glean is that he's just as violent and reckless as how his members appear to be, but he is acting as if he is somehow above that or has some ulterior motive.

[daring narwhal]

With that in mind, I did some searching and I think I know his name…

[tribal warren]

it's been fairly well known among the fallout games that the president led the enclave. It's shown in a fallout game (2).

[daring narwhal]

There are multiple presidents throughout the fallout games. But the one we saw in the show? I believe that’s the guy on top who leads the enclave

[tribal warren]

yes for sure there are. i dont believe presidents "cryo" themselves, they live & die, and I assume, so will this one. It's not a leap, his tie was enclave colors.

[daring narwhal]

Yeah I done some searching, and I think his name is D.ck Richardson

I compared an image between the one from fallout 2, from the one from the TV series, and the images show close resemblance.

Still man fallout tv series is getting deep. Never thought they would go all the way back to old games like fallout 2 & 3

[violet ruin]

A little raging so much was left unfinished, no story was cleared up at all 😫 how long until s3 😭

[daring narwhal]

I heard there gonna start production this December

[knotty holly]

yea, would have definitely been happy to see like, just about any story actually get resolved or some questions get answered.

[daring narwhal]

They leave things unresolved on purpose to make money n to delve deeper into things

[knotty holly]

It definitely gave mid season finale vibes lol

[minor lark]

They said May 2026 in an interview late last year

[lofty prairie]

Also did anyone else think the thing mr house was talking about being beaten by many wanders with like crowbars and guns a nod to all the different courier 6s?

[daring narwhal]

If I had to guess, people most likely tried to pry Robert house out of his statsis chamber but failed

Since yk his decaying body is connected to the computer

[lofty prairie]

Oh ok I thought it was a reference to the diabolical things people do to him in their playthrus but that makes sense

[knotty holly]

well the body of house is dead for sure, we are just seeing the computer version of him

[daring narwhal]

I mean his body isn’t dead, but it is extremely weak. The statsis chamber was meant to keep his body alive

[lofty prairie]

Yes he hasnt had anyone to talk to for 15 years

Must be lonely

[knotty holly]

No, his body is indeed dead, thats why there is no Mr. House when we get to the lucky 38

[daring narwhal]

I’m still curious why only one cold fusion diode was made though. Like why couldn’t 2 or 3 more be made?

[lofty prairie]

Cuz one was enough to save the world

[daring narwhal]

Soo is cold fusion diode still in the lucky 38 casino, or did somebody take the cold fusion with them?(strip episode)

[knotty holly]

We don't know, it's not explained where it is by the end of the season.

We don't see it get removed, but we also aren't told why mr house is glitching. For all we know he's just trying to be a tad sneaky

[lofty prairie]

Cold fusion exploding and being able to destroy other planets is one hell of a blast

[spring basin]

As fas as we know, || it's still in the Lucky 38 || but someone coulda snagged it already

[lofty prairie]

The enclave gonna get it for sure

I have a theory that seeing how they wanna do planertary travel thet may blow up cold fusion to essentially destroy the planet once and for all

[daring narwhal]

There was a post credit scene, my guess is that in season 3 Quintus is gonna go back for it and use it to power Liberty Prime Alpha

[knotty holly]

Doing cold fusion to power MechaHouse was a pretty interesting way of getting around Mr House dying most of the time in NV runs, I was fairly happy with it

[lofty prairie]

Yeah seeing how liberty prime east has the berrilum agitator. Itll be cool to see prime v prime

[daring narwhal]

I mean in fallout 4, liberty prime didn’t need cold fusion to operate so maybeeee liberty prime alpha won’t need cold fusion to?

[knotty holly]

I think Quintus is a pretty interesting character, but I do also get the vibes that he's very like, just less fleshed out Elijah. I want him to actually do something to set himself apart besides give himself a reddit tier nickname. I really liked how clearly defined he is about calling ghouls abominations and how manipulative he is, I just want a smidge more to set him apart.

[tacit lantern]

Those rad roaches are insane

[daring narwhal]

Like what?

[knotty holly]

Have you played NV?

[daring narwhal]

No I only played fallout 4 n 76 lmao

[knotty holly]

Ah, Elijah is a NV character. Was an elder of the brotherhood but was very bonkers and did some pretty atrocious stuff. Really well written character and a lot of people have been drawing parallels between him and Quintus (which is a mark in the favor of Quintus imo, Elijah is one of the best written fallout characters across any of the games)

[latent bay]

Would be nice if I could finish the finale episode without selfish redacted redacted in my house interrupting constantly

[spring basin]

I did see that, and that is totally possible. Kinda odd they put the BoS conflict on the back burner just to reveal what we saw, but I also understand they had alot of story to set up for S3.

[violet ruin]

1 million percent!! Did not feel like a season finale

[violet ruin]

Yea i seen that as him hiding his presence but of course, could be way off 😂

[knotty holly]

I'm definitely interested to see where things go as I liked the rest of the season quite a bit, but I was just really dissapointed with the finale. Like even the whole "i finally know my family is alive" bit isn't accurate. That post card could be 150 years old. Either it's not answering the question of if they are alive / is a lie, or it's weird meta knowledge to be passed onto the viewer as a "trust me bro" which i just didn't love. I'm hoping they capitalize on it and it results in a twist that actually holds narrative weight, I give it a 50/50 shot given how they've handled things so far.

[orchid lake]

Well also the Enclave is back so

That's kinda a huge deal, they probably also are gonna mess with his family

[latent bay]

For me the finale was one of the only parts I actually liked

[knotty holly]

I'm very luke warm on the enclave right now, almost all of the cool stuff we see of them is prewar, it's gonna take some heavy work to make them into something narratively interesting outside of "the bad guys" in season 3. I think it's definitely doable, but would be difficult

[latent bay]

Despite my laundry list of issues with it

[honest blaze]

Isn't that whole management vault in the basement of the Lucky 38?

Or somewhere inside the strip?

I wonder how the Enclave would get past the BOS, NCR, and Legion unnoticed.

[honest blaze]

That was also what I thought had happened when Hank revealed those micro chips to her

[honest blaze]

Then how was Diane Welch still able to be conscious during all those years as just a head?

[runic relic]

||BOS are having a civil war, NCR and Legion are gonna start a war, Enclave strikes em down with full force. A new age comes. ||

[honest blaze]

I mean I know it can happen as a brain in a jar and covered in ice (CEO of Nuka Cola).

[runic relic]

the plot seems so obvious

[honest blaze]

Don't forget the intelligent super mutant

looks like he's planning on gathering all mutated creatures to fight

[runic relic]

Also, I dont think the writers are stupid 😭 I dont think they will bring back the ENCLAVE just to make them loose AGAIN.

its gonna be their 1st W

[knotty holly]

I think they view it as the enclave constantly loses battles but never the war. I'd bet just about anything the enclave are not gonna walk away victorious at the end of the show lol

[runic relic]

I feel like this time its gonn be different

they prolly setting up the lore for fo5

[unkempt raptor]

Agree. They will lose but somehow slip away to be in FO5

[runic relic]

in some way

[tough meadow]

I rewatched the second season and hated the plot with the people from vault 32. They could pay more attention to factions.

[unkempt raptor]

Come on, man. They can’t make it too much fan service slop

[knotty holly]

It begs the question, when the enclave is losing in 3 or after the remnants from NV lose in 2, why do they never contact other parts of the enclave for help or go join up with them? The short answer is because they did not think this far ahead lol

[stoic flicker]

Why would a irradiated axlotol have fingers for teeth?

[unkempt raptor]

True. I think they also just like using the Enclave as the evil scapegoat who always falls to the power of anti-heroism. as a brotherhood fan I can’t complain. sad that we are having a civil war though

[tough meadow]

Because it doesn't pay attention to factions like the NSR, and Kaeser left things poorly explained, like how the NSR returned with the army, and they didn't even show how Lucy's father captured the guys.

[unkempt raptor]

It will probably be more explained next episode

[runic relic]

I hope this time brotherhood falls they are too op atp

needs a nerf

[orchid lake]

That's what I was wondering

[tough meadow]

What's next? The season is over, it'll take a long time for them to make a third season.

[unkempt raptor]

The Brotherhood will always persevere. Even if you take out all the west coast chapters there are many others (all-be-it canon or not)

[orchid lake]

The devs, specifically Howard actually said something to that effect recently after this episode

[runic relic]

same w the enclave, they cannot be truly killed

[knotty holly]

Sounds about par for the course lol

[orchid lake]

Good old USA won't be put down for a long time

[knotty holly]

I have terrible news about the state of the good old USA

[unkempt raptor]

It won’t be too long. Clearly we’ll be going to the Fallout 76-ey areas next though. Maximus and Lucy are still in Vegas though so that will have to be explained

[orchid lake]

Well most of it is gone but it still exists

God Bless America reeeeeeeeeee

[tough meadow]

In this last episode, it seems Robert House's body is practically immortal; he was shot, poisoned, and a whole bunch of other things. I believe that if the ending shows us killing him, he didn't really kill us.

[orchid lake]

Fun little detail, it actually said that on the terminal in the Enclave base this episode

[runic relic]

https://tenor.com/view/sgt-dornan-fallout-its-peak-gif-5688767570747783484

[orchid lake]

He just healed with stimpacks afterwards duh

[unkempt raptor]

What I’m confused about is Stephanie Harper + The Enclave. Isn’t she Canadian?

[tough meadow]

Yes, it can be explained in games, but many people who watched the series haven't played F76 because it works differently compared to other games.

[orchid lake]

She's reaching out to them in desperation, she's probably not actually loyal to them

[tough meadow]

Stimpacks on the head?

[orchid lake]

Ig

[tidal moat]

Watching Maximus|| go toe to toe with a deathclaw was beautiful ||

[spring basin]

She is, but Hank is || enclave, || so she is associated with the || enclave || through him.

[unkempt raptor]

So was Hank working for them as a spy inside Vault-Tec?

[tough meadow]

I think they adapted the physics of the deathclaws from Fallout 4, which made it less difficult than in Fallout 3 and NV. The behavior of the NV walking in groups...

[spring basin]

Yup

[mental walrus]

I think that’s what they were trying to say.

[spring basin]

Gotta keep tabs man

[unkempt raptor]

So why didn’t he give cold fusion to them?

or when did he join em

[spring basin]

Don't know. Hank is a huge mystery and now he's useless to us, as far as info goes.

[runic relic]

can anyone explain to me how did maximus kill like 5000deathclaws? is this power armor made to kill deathclaws or smth? or did they just buffed the power of the power armors overall?

or simply just juvie deathclaws? lol

[unkempt raptor]

I guess yeah. He’s technically gone, other than the fact he triggered some sort of “instructions”

[unkempt raptor]

I don’t think those were Juvies. That was just some crazy plot armour I think ngl

[runic relic]

If its plot armour the show throws

[tough meadow]

Because Cooper had removed the Cold Fusion from his neck while he was unconscious before the war and given it to the president.

[mental walrus]

I think ||it was prior to this. Since him marrying Steph in Vegas brought her into the enclave loop. ||

[spring basin]

Watch || Janey starts hunting down the Ghoul as part of her programming. || I could see it.

[runic relic]

there must be something behind it

[steep raven]

||not as crazy as whats-her-name surviving the radroach onslaught||

[spring basin]

|| Claudia ||

[unkempt raptor]

Yeah and the president is part of the enclave

[unkempt raptor]

lmao 😭

[tough meadow]

Yes, and the rest is history.

[mental walrus]

Bro runs it

[runic relic]

I hope this persident wont be the main villain in upcoming s3

[unkempt raptor]

||I can see that. But he needs to get to colorado first||

[runic relic]

i hope they will bring up something unique this time lol

[orchid lake]

He totally will be

[steep raven]

The Calculator shows up

[unkempt raptor]

He likely will. The Trio against the Enclave

[orchid lake]

Ya don't bring in Clancy Brown for just one scene

[tough meadow]

Mr. Krabs is so greedy that he gave Cold Fusion to Enclave to live in wealth and peace.

[runic relic]

Mr krabs IS the enclave

[orchid lake]

He's the Krabclave

[runic relic]

real

[unkempt raptor]

Hank from DBH IS the Enclave

[runic relic]

lol

[slender lintel]

https://tenor.com/view/enclave-fallout-god-bless-the-enclave-gif-18335960271083131446

[mental walrus]

||Cheyenne mountain complex anyone? Maybe as a favor for giving him cold fusion he let his wife and kid in cryo in the mountain complex? Idk||

[empty agate]

Did you guys like the part where oliver swanick came up to cooper

[runic relic]

https://tenor.com/view/enclave-watching-fallout-america-gif-9146242281505060525

[orchid lake]

Well we have synths, we have mutants (maybe including crabs) soooooo

[orchid lake]

That and Mt Weather, Chicago, and Norfolk

[slender lintel]

https://tenor.com/view/fall-out-liberty-prime-democracy-explosion-gif-12000228

[runic relic]

Mt weather fallout 76 upcoming map expansion or dlc

[unkempt raptor]

I’m still annoyed that we didn’t learn how Cooper survived the bombs, or how he got separated from Janey (unless it went over my head)

[runic relic]

im betting my money on it

[mental walrus]

Sure, but specifically because ||Colorado was brought up in the finale||

[orchid lake]

Probably will be revealed in S3

[tough meadow]

But it didn't help much, because his body began to change into that of a crab and had to go to the bottom of the sea and open a hamburger restaurant.

[orchid lake]

Well yeah, I do think they likely have NORAD as a base of operations, as the one shown in the show seemed to be a comms and research outpost

[runic relic]

thats where he went, yes!

[unkempt raptor]

True. That was one of the most interesting points for me and yet it wasn’t revealed.

[orchid lake]

Nah it's gonna be the Brown House and Norfolk

[unkempt raptor]

||I was really rooting for Lucy to put a bullet in Hanks forehead ngl||

[tough meadow]

I hope there's a Fallout New Vegas remake this year to explain the story changes that were made in the series.

[runic relic]

Enclave is gonna be trending again, so its prolly gonna involve them

makes sense to me

[frozen bramble]

You're joking right? Those two technologies are nothing alike. One is a direct brain computer interface. The other is a small microchip with a transmitter on it it attaches to the spinal cord.

You can clearly see in the episode that the severed head is being kept alive by some sort of feeding tube and probably some sort of iron lung situation going on underneath the head otherwise it wouldn't be able to talk and beg Lucy to kill her. I mean ahead that has no wind pipe or lungs would not be able to breathe and therefore would not be able to speak.

My point being that there are medical systems in place to keep that brain functional.

The automated man chip doesn't have any of that stuff connected to it.

There is a big difference between the two.

[unkempt raptor]

I would buy the hell out of a FO3 and FNV remake. I’ve never even beaten FO3 (got too sidetracked by sidequests)

[orchid lake]

Burning Springs part two def is involving them

[runic relic]

maybe man, i just hope its gonn be a living faction with soldiers and everything, makes sense lore wise

[mental walrus]

||Fallout 5 in Colorado based on the ghouls family?||

[honest blaze]

heads-up don't do what I did and do the DLCs at Max level.

Everything becomes very tanky and can kill you quickly even if you've got on the best PA around.

[unkempt raptor]

||Does the enclave only seem ludicrously strong to me? Like these mofos have insiders in Vault-Tec, basically run the Vault Experiments. Then Hank said “the surface is the experiment, not the vaults”?? There is going to be a major war imo, just unsure between the Enclave and who else||

maybe Preston Garvey will save us all from the Enclave! 😊😊😊

[frozen bramble]

It don't matter how strong they are in the show. The enclave always loses in the end. It's not a matter of when, so much as it is a matter of who beats them and how.

And then the realest real question.. who will the next big bad be after The enclave storyline is wrapped up? The legion with Macaulay Culkin as Caesar? Maybe some more Zetans show up? Maybe something involving big mountain? They were present at that secret enclave meeting in the first season.. wouldn't that be something fun?

[steep raven]

||We also still have whatever is going on with the super mutants||

[blissful tiger]

Where will the NCR's administrative headquarters be located? Vault City? Arroyo? Hub?

[simple ore]

That's why it's hilarious

[spring basin]

The Enclave will never truly be gone, just temporarily set back. I'd actually worry more about them than the Legion if I was in the wasteland. Also, that meeting in S1 was technically Vault Tec, not Enclave.

[frozen bramble]

Yep that too. I seriously doubt that Ron perlman was talking about the war with the legion and NCR, in regards to the coming war. Because if he was why would he need to recruit ghouls to his cause? No there's definitely something else going on there with that plot line.

[frozen bramble]

Technically vault-tec but you know full well they had an enclave agent in there somewhere

[tidal moat]

Genuinely almost cried tears of joy watching Maximus in the latest episode, holy indomitable human spirit

Been my favorite character from the start and that hasn’t changed

[mighty geyser]

Genuinely I’d pay $350-400 for that ||enclave tv show pipboy Steph wears|| if it was a limited edition release

[mighty geyser]

Will they actually win a battle is the question, I hope so, I hope they make them more dangerous as the show says they are

[runic relic]

thats why they always loose, if they make em win there is no going back

[runic relic]

same

[frozen bramble]

Personally I would rather have some sort of limited edition release Pip-Boy based on the one that house gives to Cooper. With houses likeness on it able to deliver canned lines from the show at the push of a button.

Even more if they gave it some sort of AI chatbot personality so that you can actually talk to it and have it feel like you're talking to Mr House. That'd be way cooler than just some enclave brand

[mighty geyser]

They gonna have to stick a 2gb ram stick inside their pipboys for that ngl

[mighty geyser]

They are strong, they’ve just been nerfed by plot armor and story writing. Also annoying why we can’t join them, we joined the brotherhood even tho they don’t really let outsiders join either (or they are extremely picky about who joins)

Wouldn’t be out of the possibilities they bend the rules like every other faction does when concerning the player character

[frozen bramble]

It'd be worth it though

[mighty geyser]

They ‘are’ getting better at making pipboys, I’ll tell you that

[severe dock]

Without timing, the show would be a lot different

Fate exists there and todd Howard is God

[versed path]

ngl this epsiode wasn't allat was hyped to be.

A cliff hangar ofc. ||Somehow brotherhood that isn't in the pentagon has their hands on the liberty prime scematics.||

[versed path]

This is simply because the Enclave, in everygame series, has always had the mentality of "either you are us or we kill you"

And they are quite stern about this in..every single game

[frozen bramble]

Not every single game. Not New Vegas.

[versed path]

Those are remnants, and you don't join them

[frozen bramble]

Right those are remnants but they're still part of it and you don't join them and they don't try to kill you for it

[versed path]

you can't classify 6 old jeriatrics as the entire enclave

[frozen bramble]

I'm not classifying them as the entire enclave I'm just classifying them as part of it

[mighty geyser]

They are written to be quite stern however, after 200 years, you’d expect splinter factions that are more reformed to arise, as the enclave are not completely invincible and they know it, so it wouldn’t be outside the possibilities they recruit the least irradiated wastelanders to fight for the enclave, kind of like what colonel autumn was trying to achieve in fallout 3.

[versed path]

Eh who am I to know. I'm not todd howard

[mighty geyser]

I understand your POV, it just seems lazy from fallout writing not to expand on a factions perspective and instead keep them out of players reach.

[versed path]

im somewhat dissapointed with this final episode ngl. It had its moments thats for sure

[mighty geyser]

I agree

[versed path]

The whole house situation doesn't make sense to me. Why is house being buggy after getting cold fusion, unlimited power and the smartest man in fallout can't fix some softwear bugs

[mighty geyser]

Like I didn’t like how Lucy ||was gonna do a 180 after Hank was shot and basically use hanks tech on him, like didn’t she just denounce tech like that, yet she’s gonna use it on her dad.||

[versed path]

yeah no geniunely

Also- where are the securitrons bro.

[mighty geyser]

||What happened to destroying that technology, instead she’s no better than her dad for trying to use it on her dad||

[versed path]

i want more info on the courierrr

[mighty geyser]

So the show implies ||the vault Tec management vault released Deathclaw on new Vegas, are you telling me, the enclave we’re in new Vegas in FNV, and released Deathclaw AFTER the ending of new Vegas, they could’ve taken Vegas during the game if this was written back when new Vegas came out||

[mighty geyser]

Just doesn’t really make sense to me, I could be wrong on this

[tribal warren]

For those left with more questions than answers about coops future adventure, hanks future in season 2 (enclave hint dropped, seems fan theories were right about reversing the chip), what Stephanie actually knows about the enclave, and more, the cast revealed a lot surprisingly https://youtu.be/U7N5x_eDGxE?si=JW2enUod3kgczguL

[versed path]

Yes. But lets put our thinking caps on a moment. Either the courier DIDN'T activate the securitron army, or they are somehow all dead/elsewhere? If the platinum chip WAS delivered aswell, they would have unstoppable weapons

[mighty geyser]

Yeah I was gonna say, if they wanted to, they could say once cold fusion was given to house, the securitron industry was restarted

[honest blaze]

“I have been poisoned, shot, bludgeoned with a crowbar…”

The hell did Mr.House mean by this?

Did the Courier kill him or did they just leave him inside the pod and some random street rat from Freeside came in and killed him?

[tribal warren]

For the discussion on deathclaws, can someone check subtitles in that scene with coop talking to house while walking down to the vault ? Pretty sure house explains that Hank brought the deathclaws in

[honest blaze]

Or was he talking about Pre-War stuff?

[versed path]

Well house has been alive for 200ish years. He wasn't always in that pod post war lol

i personally like to believe he's mentioning the courier bashing him with a crowbar

[mighty geyser]

||They gonna make house just a minor character in season 3, they gonna get all the info they can, then unplug him again for good, which is sad||

[versed path]

geniunely hate the fallout show for this ):

[tribal warren]

In that video the co director speaks about next season will basically be half wrapping up new Vegas & coop will be likely separate travelling to Colorado the whole season

[mighty geyser]

||They brought house into the show for the nostalgic fallout new Vegas moment then throw him away once cold fusion is taken back by the brotherhood for liberty prime||

[tribal warren]

So house likely still there and interacts with Lucy & Maximus’s adventure he is definitely not gone I can’t think why one would conclude that he is?

[versed path]

yeah im turning into one of those cry babies..I just want new vegas to be coool

[mighty geyser]

I don’t understand why they can’t pick a dang canonical ending for new Vegas already and instead they try to weasel around it, like they picked an ending for fallout 3 and fallout 4

[tribal warren]

Because that’s not the point of the show and Todd can slap

[versed path]

Talk about the damn courier, literally one of the most influential figures in arizona since house.

[mighty geyser]

||They shouldn’t have mentioned Arthur maxson then because that shows, the BOS ending of fallout 4 is canon||

[ebon oracle]

||Or the Minutemen ending is canon with all factions except the Institute being alive.||

[vivid sable]

I don’t know about anyone else but I’m pretty sure the sniper with the NCR is the original Vault Dweller from Fallout 1 or 2. If it is, I’d love to see an all the Vault Dwellers and their army from every game join together in a final battle against the true enemy, the Enclave. Examples: Nate or Nora and the Minutemen.

[ebon oracle]

||So, guess there might possibly be an NCR-Legion-Brotherhood-Enclave war? The war of the Wasteland's most powerful factions? The War of the Four Factions? The War of the Four Powers? War of The Four Armies? War of the Four Great Powers?||

[mighty geyser]

The more I think about it, the more the shows making me believe fallout 3’s enclave was a invasion force, since the show has that research colony that means enclave high command still exists, so ravenrock was simply an operation not a retreat from Navarro

[latent bay]

He died of ebola

Or she

[versed path]

battle of hoover dam 3

[mighty geyser]

And that ||research colony|| is WAY bigger than I expected after we got that wide shot at the end of the finale

[versed path]

Its the enclave. They are the fallout version of william afton, always coming back

[ebon oracle]

||The Great Faction War?||

[mighty geyser]

I can’t even keep a straight face when anything from that series is mentioned, I just feel cringy, I could never get into that game

[versed path]

unc

[mighty geyser]

🤷🏼

[ebon oracle]

Fallout 3? Yeah I get that when it comes to Fallout 3 dialogue.

[versed path]

yeah for real

totally what he's talking about

[mighty geyser]

Especially since they never canonized what happened to colonel autumn, he survives or dies, we don’t know

People say he was shot by a brotherhood sniper but it’s not explicitly stated

[ebon oracle]

They canonized Arthur Maxson still being alive and still leading the Commonwealth BoS. So maybe it's possible Autumn might still be alive. Maybe in the future Fallout game, the BoS under Arthur Maxson might face against Autumn's Enclave. Maybe Arthur might finish what Elder Lyons started.

[mighty geyser]

I doubt it, it’d be cool if he’s a companion, but it’s bleak considering the voice actor for autumn passed away in 2013 I think

[ebon oracle]

Yeah. But since it's been years since Fallout 3, maybe he'd be an older Autumn and getting older might have his voice changed.

[mighty geyser]

Let’s hope he’s atleast mentioned in season 3 or the next game

[versed path]

autumn gon be like 60

[ebon oracle]

Yep.

[versed path]

son i don't even know if i wanna play fallout 5 when it comes out

istg watch it be on the fallout 4 engine

[ebon oracle]

What's istg?

[versed path]

i swear to god

[ebon oracle]

Oh.

[honest blaze]

So season 3 of Fallout is going to take place in Colorado?

So Fallout Tactics?

The calculator?

[frozen bramble]

Well part of it is at least

[exotic stone]

Fallout season 2's ending secretly turned out to be a Fallout 4 adaptation https://share.google/QxSsVn644eOyrY403

[vivid sable]

I wonder if the tv series is going to build up to when Fallout 5 is released making the game that much better. We’ll just have to wait and see. 😊👍

[plush quest]

The cancelled Fallout Van Buren took place in Colorado. Fallout 5 might just be Van Buren but real

[wraith goblet]

Yeah basically… I never thought about it that way until now, with Hank wiping those people’s mind and controlling them with that chip… kinda basically turned them into synths…

[plush quest]

I caught that too. Especially with him miniaturizing it and making his drones “nearly indistinguishable” from everyone else

But instead of a synth component they all have a little scar on the back of their neck

[wraith goblet]

Yeah

Plot twist

[red forge]

She was conflicted. She was cultured from birth for EVERYONE to play nice together, and she could see that with the mind control device. She doesn't like her father has forced people onto it against their will, but she could see the result, because otherwise they're feral savages.
This is all in all to bring back the father she had and wants.

That's HER character flaw. She wants a civil society, based on her upbringing, but can see the argument that the only way to do it, is via a means of control, because everyone for the most part on the surface has otherwise been out to kill her or just be uncivil in some way.

She knows it's a bad idea, because it's against the will of those subjected, but she's seen no other effective alternative to date.

And being raised to be a "manager", she needs to be a decision maker. That's a fundamental skill Hank was empowering her to.

[shut mural]

Nooooooooooo

Noooo, the show is over this season? I still havent seen my murican patriots!!! Semper fi!!!

[red forge]

No it's just the season final.

[shut mural]

was hoping they would tease some enclave stuff, even if the faction is dead.

oh well

[versed path]

they..they did?

[red forge]

Someone didn't watch the mid credits scene

[shut mural]

they did what? tease? i did not see anything. Dead? I mean, they got nuked twice. Not coming back from that.

[red forge]

Treat it like a MCU media. Watch the whole thing, including the credits.

[shut mural]

i did but no such thing as prime humans in black devil power armor, no plasma weapons being pointed at something ... no enclave stuff

[red forge]

It's a bit early for all of that.

[shut mural]

that was kinda what i was expecting to see

[red forge]

The show has only just confirmed the Enclave is involved.

[tacit lantern]

So now we know their base is in Colorado

[dark temple]

Ghoul may pass through Zion on his way to Colorado…

[red forge]

Can't throw everything in "now". Gotta cater for the audience who have no clue about Fallout lore.

[eternal quartz]

I have a theory for season 3

[shut mural]

its obvious, there will be a war

[eternal quartz]

They will have Jack black as Caesar

[shut mural]

Saw muties in ncr uniform, other muties in legions. Saw some in BoS with the robot.

I want to see gaus miniguns cutting them all down

[eternal quartz]

Yea lool

[split gorge]

Wait. Did we ever learn how Moldaver lived for 200 years? I assume cryo but do we know how she had access to it? I completely forgot about her

[tribal warren]

Co director of the show soft-confirmed that the TV show will be Colorado and/or wherever the show ends in interview video I posted in this chat will be connected to fallout 5 (so probably where it’s based)

[red forge]

Not yet.

[calm trellis]

Same way Wilzig did

[red forge]

The last episode she appeared in was Cooper declining the mission to assassinate House.

We also still don't know how Cooper became a ghoul.

All the flashbacks are leading up to it though.

[split gorge]

Well I assume Wilzig had access to cryogenics, but not Muldaver

[split gorge]

Uh the same way literally every other ghoul did?

[red forge]

Not the exact circumstances though, because he had Janey with him when the bombs began to drop, yet he's been trying to find her too for the last 200 years.

[split gorge]

@plush quest said "Probably met up with Barb, handed her off to her, then was denied safety"

[red forge]

That is most likely yes, BUT it just hasn't been shown yet.

[split gorge]

So I'm wondering where they met up at

[red forge]

So yeah, Barb & Janey's circumstances, Cooper becoming a ghoul, Moldaver surviving the bombs... all that is still yet to be shown or discussed in the show.

[daring narwhal]

Well the U.S. government created the enclave so there a incredibly difficult faction to beat

[daring narwhal]

I wonder where coop’s been searching in that time lmao

[red forge]

Well he's been bounty hunting in the meantime, and buried and resurrected more than once.

He's needed to make a living to survive on chems that keep him from going feral.

[daring narwhal]

Yh I know

I wonder what type of gun cooper owns tbh cause that thing is Deadly

[red forge]

Dom Pedro.

And a sort of lever-action rifle.

[plush quest]

If the Ghoul roamed the country looking for special Vaults for Vault Tec management, it’s not impossible that he was in Appalachia looking for Vault 63 which housed VT board member Hugo Stoltz

If Barb and Janie were there, they would’ve been turned into Ghouls or potentially the Lost.

[coarse vigil]

Where can i complain about the show

[vivid meadow]

Ngl season 2 as a whole is pretty disappointing. Like it’s all just set up for season 3, none of the story lines really wrap up at all besides Lucy finding her dad again.

[hidden girder]

Tv canon Courier 6: (imo)Woke up, ran straight to Vegas aggroing every death claw en route, died of brain damage after putting a Bullet in Benny. Or was eaten by a deathclaw.

[coarse vigil]

The pacing was sooo shi

[midnight nova]

so no remaster?

[red forge]

That was only a rumour.

As much as we'd all like to have it happen.

[urban bramble]

WE will see LIBRETY PRIME on the fricking big screen!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[slender lintel]

https://tenor.com/view/fallout-fallout-3-liberty-prime-fallout-liberty-prime-america-gif-9982675470509632377

[mossy badge]

I'll believe it when it happens. Until then, wishful thinking

[serene aurora]

big screen would probably imply a movie screen

[mossy badge]

Home TV's are pretty big nowadays....lol

[plush quest]

Bakersfield became Necropolis after the war. Cooper Howard probably ghoulified in Bakersfield!

[hollow oasis]

Oh I just know the people who complained about ||the ncr being killed off are eating those words with tears in their eyes. They weren't. They were just somewhere else temporarily. But they might be killed off now...and the legion...in a war that we will all get to see.||

[plush quest]

It was honestly a great choice ||for the NCR to seem like myth for the majority of the season. Made their epic reveal feel much more impactful||

[hollow oasis]

I also think that ||Lacerta Legate is definitely shooken up. I think hes faking his confidence as the new Caesar, that note is 100% replaying in his mind again and again.I think hes going to just sit back and watch everyone in the Legion die, I don't think hes going to fight.||

||I think hes going to just observe the Legion, and see if they'd last in this war, that will be the deciding factor of his faith in the legion, as the note shook his faith, hes teetering onthe edge of "I don't think I want to be in the Legion anymore" ||

[mighty geyser]

Well I mean let’s be real, Canada and Mexico were annexed like 10 years before the Great War, so they def ALL over the place, which is why I think fallout 3 was an enclave invasion force and not remnants

[hardy minnow]

Was anybody else hoping the kings would of came out of the School of Impersonation when the deathclaw smashed their door

[coarse vigil]

I doubt it.
I know bethesda will have 800+ more enclave base in the state

[calm trellis]

So why did Mr Krabs start the Great War?

[livid bronze]

Money!

[cold marten]

https://tenor.com/view/money-gif-11341170073272671015

[split plank]

||i wonder who got activated when hank hit his button||

[calm trellis]

He did

[unkempt raptor]

Depends what game you’re talking about. In Fallout 4 Nate joining because he’s a trained pre-war vet makes complete sense. Really the only things the brotherhood is picky about is whether you are human or not.

And there are many different chapters with varying ideologies, as shown in the show.

[mighty geyser]

Why the enclave cant have different cells with varying ideologies ranging from reformist to purist is beyond me

[split plank]

surely they can right? like didnt that human have a disagreement with the AI president?

autum i belive it was

[mighty geyser]

they had a whole civil war cause eden wanted to resort to killing everyone by letting a wastelander use a modified version of FEV and autumn wanted to use the project to try and have wastelanders flock under the enclave, its why Autumn is my favorite enclave character besides horrigan

[limpid edge]

I must have missed something. Why was Cooper arrested and by whom?

[calm trellis]

He was arrested by the House Unamerican Activities Committee

[coral juniper]

Because the oil rig only had 1k people, got destroyed. Navarro's Garrison left a skeleton crew, got destroyed. Raven Rock was their next main holding, got destroyed. Mobile crawler was the last major holding, got destroyed. There's also the issue of the Enclave's entire ideology being one based around the idea of "we're the inheritors of the earth, all else must be pushed out to keep our genetic purity" hence why their ideology didn't spare vault dwellers

Any remnants would be small holdings or people who give up like the remnants and that coa character in far harbor

[coral juniper]

Unfounded claim based around Autumn's dialogue while he is actively losing the battle of project purity. If you give Autumn the code while in Raven Rock he immediately gasses you in a gas chamber after getting confirmation it worked and of all the outposts we see only one hands out supplies but that comes with the fact of it's while commiting experiments on the wastelanders that went up to them, all the other outposts were actively killing wastelanders

Nothing in Fallout 3 actually shows that Autumn wouldn't go about another way to commit any kind of genocide, they're an organization based around their genetic purity beliefs, not about saving the wasteland or anything as opposed to the BoS where the faction split is often around that finding tech isn't the only way to save humanity from another apocalypse which is the core philosophy of the BoS

Autumn doesn't show any kind of reformationist ideology, he actively lies that he might be willing to let the lone wanderer go if they help the Enclave and the Enclave show no actual attempt in fallout 3 of anything remotely close to reforming

It's really hard to reform the ideology of "we're genetically pure and all else should make way for us"

Believe what you see, not what you're told basically. Autumn is a constantly lying character.

[coral juniper]

A lot of the issue here is that there is a lot of infrastructure between the boneyard and Shady Sands that the show overlooked. For instance there was the Hub, we know that the NCR had a long series of checkpoints from Boone's dialogue, the NCR had a ton of agriculture so no signs of any farms is weird and ofc the boneyard being populated by the NCR in 2 and NV. There really shouldn't be a reason it's seen as a myth

[mighty geyser]

Yet the tv show shows an research colony and that means there is still a high command structure, Ntm if the fallout 4 echoes of the past is considered canon, enclave high command sent a expeditionary force into Boston.

[serene aurora]

you know it sucks that they didnt tie up any lose ends at the end of ep8, feels almost like this season hardly brought any anwsers

[mighty geyser]

That is absolutely not true autumn does not gas you in a chamber… he just shoots you with a 10mm pistol, I have no idea where you got the gas chamber from

Like I’m sorry but did you even play fallout 3, the enclave don’t have gas chambers 🫤, colonel autumn was about to shoot you in the head with his 10mm and Eden stops him, it’s also stated in the fandom that autumn had different plans than what Eden proposed to the lone wanderer

[mighty geyser]

Autumns dialogue doesn’t state the kill all wastelander jargon Eden spouts, instead he’s actually grounded in his wording and states he wants to use project purity to up the enclaves reputation and “have wastelanders flock to the enclave for protection.”

Autumn is not the greatest it’s still the enclave, but it’s heavily implied he was planning to reform the enclave instead of kill everyone with FEV, like why would Eden consult the player to use his modified FEV if Eden had colonel autumn to do it already, it’s because Eden and autumn disagreed on how the enclave should continue,

Sorry to everybody but that rant was simply to correct this guys mistaken lore

[mighty geyser]

Yeah kinda wished the show had a finale the same length as ep 1 or more.

[coral juniper]

Yea because Autumn is trying to win a losing battle and is just saying stuff in hopes that the lone wanderer believes him, again, he is a known liar, why believe anything he says?

I played Fallout 3, that's why I know that Autumn is a chronic liar and there's no attempt at reformation other than he didn't want to poison the water with FEV that could've also killed the Enclave

[coral juniper]

Where though, I'm asking evidence I'm asking actions not could, should, would but did. The personal insults are also very not helpful.

[mighty geyser]

I’m relooking at the actual dialogue that is stated, and nowhere does it talk about gas chambers unless you mean a (crappy radiation leak), some dialogue is to be implied, so when autumn expands on his enclave idea at the very end, it’s implied even though the enclave is still acting as the enclave, they would be more tolerant of wastelanders, (doesn’t mean the enclave wouldn’t involve itself in experiments and executions, but it’s a step up over killing literally everyone who’s not them

[mighty geyser]

I mean, anyone would be pissed if your robot president disagreed with you and chose an outsider to do the dirty work, that’s why he gets on intercom to tell the human troops, he is in charge now.

I like these conversations but I urge we continue them in fallout lore and not tv series as to not clog the channel

[calm trellis]

Why are the biggest haters of the show right-wing?

[mighty geyser]

I haven’t heard that? I mean everyone has an opinion, it’s not a great idea to place political parties as the primary haters

What I mean is that’s seemingly pure opinions, and I doubt it’s true

[lucid drift]

How is Quintus gonna get his hands on Liberty Prime when the Commonwealth BOS has it as of FO4?

[calm trellis]

He’s at Area 51; there’s probably another one

[mighty geyser]

That’s some straight lore gymnastics

[lucid drift]

True. All we saw were blueprints which means even if there isn't another one, there CAN be

Imagine. Quintus' chapter vs the Commonwealth. Giant robot against giant robot.

[calm trellis]

Quintus giving himself an epithet was the worst part of that scene IMO

[mighty geyser]

Ok so, I guess I can understand how he got blueprints from liberty prime, what I can say doesn’t make much sense, is if they pull liberty prime out of the Area 51 base in pieces, as if they truly made a second liberty prime, you’d think the pentagon, the militaries main hub of operations of High command would say in one of their terminals that Area 51, an USAF installation has the plans to build liberty prime, or has a prototype liberty prime that’s different than the prototype found in the pentagon in fallout 3 and taken by Arthur maxson in fallout 4.

The only way I can see this making sense is if, general atomics and robco worked on the robot at Area 51 before transferring it to the pentagon

[calm trellis]

I don’t really understand the complaint here; are you suggesting it should’ve been mentioned in Fallout 3 or that the East Coast Brotherhood should’ve sent a party to Area 51 to look for it?

[slate frost]

I liked the last episode it seems like they left some space for a third season

[calm trellis]

8 episodes max is a travesty

[minor lark]

Area 51 is fairly secretive even to our own military command today. Its not surprising that in universe area 51 would also have things other branches of the military weren't aware of. Like the alpha Prime plans.

[slate frost]

So in that secret location they kept experimental weapons treasury items etc

[minor lark]

Whats surprising thinking of it now. Is why didnt Roger Maxson send out a party to search it. Hed have been aware of it, and after the atrocities in the lab when they disserted you'd think he'd want to hunt these secret places down

[slate frost]

Maybe he wanted to leave that place forgotten

[minor lark]

That sounds dangerous after what Maxson and crew saw though imo

Specially when the BOS's stated goal is to save mankind from the disaster of pre war tech.

[mighty geyser]

I’m suggesting the lore shouldve stated if there was any liberty prime progress made at Area 51, I mean hell, the pentagon terminals talk about aliens but this is out of the question? They could implement lore that liberty prime was prototyped originally in Nevada near Las Vegas where robco was nearest to, and general atomics could fly out to, then have moved the entire robot to the pentagon, but you’d think they’d document that massive stride

[slate frost]

Technology too dangerous maybe who knows what s actually in there

[minor lark]

It just makes little sense that they'd just leave dangerous tech though. Thats like their whole deal.

[calm trellis]

Wow I can’t believe the Fallout 3 terminals don’t mention something that wasn’t thought of until 17 years later after release

[slate frost]

They didnt show what happened to Bos

[minor lark]

End of days irl you can bet your butt people would be trying to infiltrate area 51