fallout-tv-series

[torpid ermine]

Nope
https://youtu.be/-NjnEwsK8KI?si=JHp-Cevfq_R0-cul

[cunning rock]

😊 can’t wait to watch

[red forge]

It was a seasonal flavour teaser leading into season 2.

[cunning rock]

Didn’t look in the Fallout locker cause I can’t watch now, catch you later

[nimble pike]

Still doing some mess even almost dead
This Vault boy is a Plague

Strange... House would let someone else playing his rôle during important réunions like the one with Vaul-tec ?

[hollow oasis]

LMAO. ||I love the star spangled banner remix they made||

yeah, because people apparently think one MC can change the tides of battle realistically?

they might help significantly, more so for gameplay purposes, but they cannot singlehandedly fix everybodies problems realistically.

The show really shows what the wasteland is really like, outside of gameplay influenced choices

[nimble pike]

I agree, what happens where there is no "player"
It's chaos and no one is safe
Lucy is suppose to be the player in a sense but she's soooo naive ahah

[red forge]

She's naive based on her upbringing.

She was raised to be a leader, not a survivalist.

That's why she keeps trying diplomacy.

[hollow oasis]

Yes and thats what the player is every game is, a leader. Someone who is always using charisma to get things done the right way or in their favor.

[granite lark]

There is something i don't get it, why the Brotherhood in episode 3 need to push God as the major christian reason for their identity? Doesn't make sense

the BoS is obsessed by collecting the technology to avoid could fall in the wrong hands

it was never about jesus and god

[hollow oasis]

Thats ||actually the upbringing of the bos, i dont think its their value anymore||

[red forge]

Why do you think BoS have the cult mentality?

[granite lark]

More like the writers does not understand the BoS and try to take inspiration from warhammer 40K

[hollow oasis]

No?

[granite lark]

because we never saw cult worship behaviour before, there are no temples, chapels. All they have is labs and military camps or bunkers

[hollow oasis]

They literally said ||He had to choose between God (Morality), or his Government (Progress)||

[red forge]

Those are not required to be regarded a cult.

It's about cultural attitude.

How one treats its members.

[granite lark]

pretty much

[hollow oasis]

||The bos, still has morals to this day, however, its more refined and they no longer see morality as a whole anymore, just what fits the codex||

[woven scaffold]

Quintus is lying about Roger Maxson to push his own religious version of the Brotherhood. Maxson wasn’t motivated by religion, he was for the people not for God, and like Yosemite says, her chapter doesn’t buy into the religious stuff.

[granite lark]

i can see a tentative to be a christian chapter 😂

[hollow oasis]

||Yes thats the reality of it, im explaining what the story Quintus is trying to push||

[granite lark]

i feel we could have a better explain for christian bos if there was some lore behind

[abstract sleet]

40K Fallout 😛 (in regards to a Christian BOS)

[granite lark]

sure we got the hints on season 1 but still could have a better explanation

indeed

but i admit, i wonder why we didn't have new factions in power armor that is'nt the BoS?

[red forge]

Power armour is synonymous with BoS.

[hollow oasis]

The ghoul is a elite troll. ||Revealed the location of the NCR camp to the legion, only to make them kill each other so theres very little if any numbers left to go after the 2 ncr, giving the tiny ncr camp a chance||

[granite lark]

and the enclave

[hollow oasis]

absolutely diabolical

[red forge]

||I thought he set off the dynamite barrels to trigger the 2 Caesars to fight each other, breaking the stalemate.||

[granite lark]

so mr. House...|| is dead?||

why they did this?

[red forge]

So far ||he's understood to have won.||

This is based on ||the first trailer when Cooper was human, then the 2nd trailer when Cooper is ghoulified.||

So far, ||all moments we've seen of House, are when Cooper was human.||

[abstract sleet]

Now I'm intrigued

[granite lark]

||that's not Mr. House. Seems another guy with a similar aspect||

[abstract sleet]

Oh. 🤨

[red forge]

Which part are you saying is not him?

Which moment?

There are 2 so far where a different actor is shown. Someone here came up with the theory it could be his half-brother mind-controlled.

[granite lark]

the italian title end credits in the voice dub showcase a different name, and is not Mr. House

[red forge]

Which episode?

Are you talking the 1st ep? with that bar scene?

[hollow oasis]

||both||

[granite lark]

yes

[red forge]

In "The Innovator", the actor for House is credited to the same guy who was in the round table meeting in "The Beginning".
This is the "House" who might be a/the body double.

[granite lark]

even so, i'm quite tired of the cliché of body double used in curent media

all i see is the assassination of the character

this series simply reboot mr. house

[red forge]

Don't mistaken a possible plot-based body doubles for simply actors being replaced.

We don't yet know for certain why there's 2 people in the same role at the same time chronologically.

[granite lark]

nah, is just the body double chiché is something utterly abused in comics

[red forge]

Well... you can believe what you want. Point being is we don't yet know.

[granite lark]

||house is dead but there was no mention of the fusion, just the platinum chip.||

will the serie explain this retcon or not?

[red forge]

Suppose we'll find out.

All we can do is speculate for now.

[granite lark]

||i'm just disappoint they killed House, as a fan of him|| i was hoping to see more of his work but now? What's next? More destruct and the death of beloved characters and faction for the sake of more brotherhood and vault tec nonsense?

[red forge]

On what basis are you claiming ||House is dead||?

[granite lark]

||The dialogue between Victor and the Ghoul, is implied House is dead. By the same Victor||

[hollow oasis]

ahem

[red forge]

Rewatching that scene now.

[granite lark]

Also fun fact, in the italian voice dub, Victor is dubbed by the same voice actor of Peter Griffin and he also voice Mr. House in Fallout New Vegas

[red forge]

Seth McFarlane?

[granite lark]

no? i said italian voice dub

in any case, the character in episode 1 and episode 3, is named Errol

that's the name of Mr. House body double

[red forge]

Ok so ||Victor does simply say "he's gone", but doesn't say when or how. He does also say his memory is scrambled, so there is that. Furthermore, trailer 2 of showing The Ghoul in the same room as House being on the TVs, there's no timeline for that given yet. That moment is yet to occur in the show.|| So until then, everything remains implied.

[granite lark]

||in the italian voice dub Victor says "he's dead" , Sure he got hacked and is understandable, the problem is, we don't know that yet by who. But i have my suspect is Errol the main cause.||

[red forge]

||"Dead" and "gone" are the same thing. It's a matter of translation. But all the plot hype build up so far, seems a bit lacklusture to correlate that as hard fact of a major plot element so far.||

Not everything can be 1:1 translated between languages while retaining intent/context.

[granite lark]

all i can say for now is just disappoint. And i'm not even surprise if they blow up New Vegas because "reasons"

[red forge]

Well, you can think that. In the meantime, wait and see what else is to come.

[granite lark]

no big surprise if the flame and the toxicity explode in the web again

the risk is fans of new vegas will consider the tv series not canon

[red forge]

Just don't read those things.

Leave it on reddit and wherever else.

[granite lark]

just reddit? Youtube, X, instagram and tik tok

[red forge]

This is the problem with the community. People seem to consider all but 1 as canon, or the reverse, for some reason or another. Some folk seem to declare that only FO1 is canon.

[red forge]

Anywhere that's not here.

[granite lark]

fallout is just facting what star wars did

the risk is a franchise in decline

[red forge]

Bethesda have said that the TV show is canon.

[granite lark]

if this is about by chasing the modern audience, we all know what happened to other franchise

death of the franchise

[red forge]

In comparison to Star Wars, the existence of the sequel trilogy cancelled out all the sequel novels of the original trilogy.

That upset many people who read the Thrawn novels and such.

But Bethesda is not doing that.

The games have multiple endings. The TV show can only have 1, by its nature.

We don't yet live in a society where TV and movies can give you a "choose your own adventure".

[granite lark]

more like pick the reasonable one, i'm not saying "good vs bad". For many House was the best choice because he didn't care about the world, just science, progress and technology

[red forge]

People will get upset because their particular choice of ending might not be canon. That's unavoidable.

We just need to wait and see how the show plays out.

[granite lark]

And for what? By living with the excuse "but fallout is about post apocalypse survivors". By what? Living like hobos in a mad max stereotype with low IQ? No, is about societies making progress, survive, adapt and prosper

[red forge]

"Everyone wants to save the world, they just disagree on how"

[abstract sleet]

That's what I get out of all this when it comes to Fallout as a whole

Some disagree... violently.

Most of the time, it's struggling together

[red forge]

Well without society, you either get the folk who can maintain civility, and those who degrade into savages, because they were only civil because laws required them to comply.

Those maintaining it generally become survivalists.

[abstract sleet]

Whatever happens, a community or two is required

[granite lark]

Save? No there is no save the world, just the pure human nature on greed and conquest

Is the fact was is part of human nature and war will return

[abstract sleet]

Cooperation matters a lot even in the worst contexts

And yes I do mean while in war

I think human nature is an elastic, complex and curious thing

The flipside of war is peace and peace is made depending on the outcome of war. Peace, peace never changes either.

[granite lark]

Whatever happens, it doesn't matter, is all about the Brotherhood of Steel, they are the poster boys

[wet knoll]

If maximus is a decendant of the ghoul ill be upset. Thats so cliched

[red forge]

I highly doubt it.

[wet knoll]

Cause thats what im getting so far since everyone seems connected

[red forge]

... it's taken me a few moments to realise the connection you're making.

[wet knoll]

Right?

[red forge]

Need to check what names Maximus's parents were given.

[wet knoll]

Watch it be max cooper

[red forge]

His parents are named Joseph and Julia.

[wet knoll]

It has been 200 years

[red forge]

Yes but neither he or we know what happened to his wife and kid.

[wet knoll]

Yeah thats why im thinking its gona be like that

I hope not thats too obvious

[red forge]

It's an interesting theory, I'll give you that.

[vivid meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/macaulay-culkin-macaulay-culkin-eating-pizza-macaulay-culkin-silly-macaulay-culkin-gif-287772906508691945

[storm grove]

why is BoS prattling about god

also i really dislike how lucy and caesars legion stuff played out, feels like a joke

[sterile torrent]

Is that Culkin? lol

[woven scaffold]

Enjoying a snack after a quick crucifixion.

[tidal tendon]

I was thinking that too

[vivid meadow]

Kumail nanjiani’s character has an indian accent, but like how did he acquire it

[storm grove]

why would the two caesars be in vegas still? hasnt it been many years?

[storm grove]

honestly i don't think its any deeper than kumail having an accent

[vivid meadow]

Tbh theres a lot of characters in fallout with accents

[storm grove]

oh yeah there were irish people in fo3 some..how..

[red forge]

'tis

[vivid meadow]

But then fallout never expands on if they got those accents from traveling continents or from growing up in isolated communities with accents

[storm grove]

i dont think kumail fits into this, but i do think theyre trying to make east and west coast more connected at least

could be that bethesda wants there to be contact with other countries idk

[vivid meadow]

Theres russians in fallout 4, cait is irish, tenpenny is British.

[red forge]

There's a Russian in FO76 too.

[storm grove]

i mean Raul is from mexico but thats nearby to vegas

[vivid meadow]

He could be from india, the brotherhood has aerial vehicles and they rename their members

[storm grove]

Or his parents or something

[red forge]

There's a "Singh" family in prewar Appalachia, who are a major subject of FO76.

[storm grove]

family names are a bit dodgier tho, cuz it could just be ppl who had migrant ancestors before the war

an accent stands out in the "present day" in fallout because it implies these people came from abroad

well, a foreign accent that is

[abstract sleet]

Do planes come over by in the wasteland at that time?

[vivid meadow]

Still, accents are formed when you learn to speak, unless he grew up isolated with only other people with that accent you should have a standard american accent like the rest of the wasteland

[storm grove]

oh yeah totally

[storm grove]

there used to not be any planes before fo4 retconned that with the prydwen

[abstract sleet]

Huh!

[storm grove]

as for vertibirds they wouldnt be capable to fly that far away

there were no planes post war that is, they existed pre war

[abstract sleet]

Ah okay good to know

I was thinking of the Lake Mead plane when I asked that question

[storm grove]

yeah that was a pre war plane sunk in the lake

[red forge]

The other elders didn't seem to exhibit much of american accents themselves.

[abstract sleet]

Pre War but worth asking around

[red forge]

At least 2 of them didn't.

[storm grove]

its a good catch tho, that also means the boomers were able to repair a plane at least

[abstract sleet]

Cos if planes existed, it would mean that a lot more people could have gotten around as migrants

[storm grove]

maybe they could also get around on ships too

[vivid meadow]

Maximus is lowkey the type of player who sides with whoever gets him the best quest rewards

[storm grove]

thatd make migrants rare-ish tho since sailing probably sucked (which they are tbf)

[abstract sleet]

Yeah ships would be the vehicle of choice for long distance trips at that point

[red forge]

Sisa Grey, who plays the lady elder, is Samoan. She did not give any form of an American accent.

[vivid meadow]

Unless theres commercial prydwyns and vertibirds

[abstract sleet]

And dirigibles if I remember correctly

[storm grove]

those are supposedly post war tech and very restricted to the military factions (enclave and BoS so far)

[vivid meadow]

Question is why would anyone want to come to area zero of nuclear activity instead of staying in england

[red forge]

It's a military installation.

[storm grove]

well my headcanon is that the world sucks everywhere lol

environment wise

[vivid meadow]

Post war tech is restricted to anyone who can figure out how it works.

The enclave has more knowledge and the brotherhood has scribes who study tech. But literally anyone could figure out how something works with enough time to study it

[storm grove]

oh, now that u mention it the institute had teleportation lol

maybe there are other crazy high tech groups around the world too

[vivid meadow]

Why is dogmeats actor called lana 5

[red forge]

It's the name of the dog.

[storm grove]

that's Ms. Lana the Fifth, queen of Barktopia

[vivid meadow]

What happened to lana 1-4

[red forge]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[sand grove]

used for dog meat probably

[storm grove]

they went to puppy heaven

[abstract sleet]

The Big Mountain is keeping experiments of that nature secret

[red forge]

From nukapedia:
Three dogs are known to have portrayed CX404: Lana 5 (from Anchor Pet Supply),[3] Nunaya Business de la Forge, and Gotcha de la Forge (both from La Forge Malinois).

Would be hard-pressed to selectively breed a single litter for 1 role.

And not all pups in the same litter turn out the same.

[storm grove]

was that literally claptrap in the last episode

[coarse vigil]

🤧 a good end to fnv but a depresing day for legion fan

[woven scaffold]

The Legion has fans?

[red forge]

Why wouldn't they?

[woven scaffold]

Because all my homies rep the Roman Republic, we don’t follow no Caesars.

[red forge]

You mean ||Kaisers||? 🤣

[woven scaffold]

The Römisches Reich?!

[minor lark]

Was cool to see Victor. And teasing Primm in the background was nice. Great episode for those of us lore seekers.

[storm grove]

i kinda hated it

[minor lark]

Im sorry

[woven scaffold]

The full facility of HELIOS One was also in the background.

[storm grove]

here we go again
the BoS seems fine but it feels like the show kind of took a dump on everything new vegas

i mean, not that the bos is good but it still exists

why set the show in new vegas only to destroy everything from that game for no reason?

[tawny sage]

Because no matter what they do with the region someone is going to be angered by making a specific ending canon

[storm grove]

thats would be an incredibly stupid reason

it actually just comes across as getting rid of all the west coast lore because Bethesda didn't like it

[storm grove]

i dont think that justifies making no ending canon and making everyone unhappy instead lol

[tawny sage]

We still don't know too much about what happened but Independent Vegas seems canon

[storm grove]

well, we've yet to see vegas itself

[tawny sage]

wether it's House or Yes Man is up in the air

But from the looks of the teasers Vegas got ravaged

[red forge]

So which ending of NV do you suggest should be lore?

[woven scaffold]

The Strip looks abandoned but Freeside looks super prosperous. So I’m thinking Independent ending.

[storm grove]

like anything but every faction getting wiped from the lore

[red forge]

Please tell us. Getting tired of people complaining.

[storm grove]

well you're not speaking for everyone obviously, in case u think so

[red forge]

No but just getting tired of it in general.

[storm grove]

idk who "us" is

[tidal tendon]

Let's keep it respectful please

[tawny sage]

they're not getting wiped
It was implied back in NV that they were all overstretched and on the verge of losing their grip

NCR is still intact just not in that region

[storm grove]

ON VEGAS, but the show seems to have destroyed both the legion and the NCR everywhere else

[vivid meadow]

No norm plot today 😔

[storm grove]

no its not, they nuked shady sands and the ghoul confirmed the NCR was gone

[woven scaffold]

The Ghoul is wrong.

[storm grove]

they were literally 2 people

[vivid meadow]

Wrong about what?

[vivid meadow]

3*

[storm grove]

sure lol

[woven scaffold]

NCR not being there. He’s just being pessimistic because he has no hope. But he found it again by the end of the episode.

We know from the trailers that the battalion nearby are real and will engage in large scale battle at some point later.

[vivid meadow]

The brotherhood defeated the remaining ncr in season 1

[red forge]

So why would he tell a whole army about the whereabouts of 2 people?

[storm grove]

they told a legion camp that looked smaller than the camp in new vegas (the game)

[vivid meadow]

Atleast he blew up the legion base instead of just helping them

[red forge]

But why would the legion then prepare for war against a whole 2 people?

That's a job for an assassin.

[storm grove]

they werent preparing for war, he told thme where to find the remnants of the NCR

[tawny sage]

The Legion are at war with basically EVERYONE

[red forge]

As far as I'm concerned, The Ghoul is not speaking whole truths.

[vivid meadow]

I want to see maximus reform the brotherhood

[storm grove]

they wanted to get the credits for killing the last of the NCR thats all

as victor said, they're "like cats and dogs" or whatever

[vivid meadow]

They dont know how many ncr are left, just that there is ncr camping nearby

[woven scaffold]

I doubt he will. We know he goes and joins NCR and gets their PA as per the trailers again.

[minor lark]

Everyone losing at the Dam makes a ton of sense with all the storyline we're given in game in NV.

[red forge]

This is my point.

[storm grove]

I will concede that he may be wrong and the NCR is bigger than theyve shown so far

[vivid meadow]

The ghoulphobia in the brotherhood doesnt even make sense

[red forge]

The Ghoul didn't suggest numbers, only that a group of their enemy exists.

[red forge]

They see ghouls as non-human, hence "abomination".

[tawny sage]

The brotherhood has always been rather extreme, if it is still under Maxon then it does kinda check out

[vivid meadow]

The brotherhood is basically like the stormcloaks, the group is too cool so to make the choice harder just sprinkle in some rac*sm

[storm grove]

thats fallout 4 writing for making "gray" morality for u

[vivid meadow]

Its the same as the stormcloaks, if they weren’t xenophobic everyone would side with them

[red forge]

FO4 BoS don't like synths.

If you're not flesh and blood human, you're not worthy of remaining alive.

[vivid meadow]

Except ghouls are flesh and blood humans

[tawny sage]

They're basically just a less insane Enclave under Elder Maxxon

[red forge]

Not anymore according to BoS.

[minor lark]

Didn't the BOS take pot shots at non ferals in Fo3? This isnt new for the group.

[vivid meadow]

I just remembered that ghoul kids don’t grow up. Those kids in the factory are gonna be stuck titus forever and watch the smoothskins grow up without them.

[tawny sage]

Outcasts IIRC but yeah

[woven scaffold]

No it was Lyon’s guys.

[storm grove]

honestly i don't remember, but in fallout 3 they were too good to actually attack ghouls for being ghouls

[tawny sage]

I haven't played 3 in years I apologize

[storm grove]

maybe they could have harrassed them verbally or smth

[minor lark]

Thats not at all true. The BOS has always been anti ghoul in the game series

[woven scaffold]

They shot warning shots at them to keep them away from their position at the Washington Monument, never actually hit any.

[storm grove]

well define anti ghoul, because sluaghtering ghoulified kids and not helping ghouls are kind of different

[tawny sage]

BoS has always been more or less a less extreme Enclave
Just in 3 they were under Lyons who was less extreme

[minor lark]

In 4 we're sent to clear places out of them. 3 they are seen as a danger or worse. We've never seen a ghoul member of the BOS. I dont think a single chapter has said something positive about them.

[storm grove]

i think the chapter in fo76 lets mutants join them or something

[minor lark]

Nope

[red forge]

Perhaps the key term here is "abomination" which Xander uses.

[storm grove]

i havent actually played that game tho, i could have misunderstood

[vivid meadow]

Pretty sure its only the east coast chapters that have the ghoulphobia

[woven scaffold]

76 is hostile to ghouls, but lets you in with mutation serums but they’re barely a lore thing.

[tawny sage]

The lore reason is they're short on manpower

[red forge]

Us playing with mutations isn't lore, just gameplay.

[tawny sage]

but also 76 is much like Tactics in the fact it's only Semi-Canon

so for all we know that chapter of the Brotherhood never existed

[woven scaffold]

The BoS NPCs do comment on your mutations, so they are lore to an extent.

[tawny sage]

The Enclave in 76 accepts mutations so it almost certainly is a gameplay thing

[minor lark]

We have todd himself saying the game is canon. Idk where you got this from.

[woven scaffold]

There’s nothing to indicate 76 is semi canon, it’s fully canon in terms of its narrative.

[vivid meadow]

Do ghoul children actually not grow up or is billy just an outlier?

Cause billy also shouldve turned feral if he spent 200 years in a fridge

[storm grove]

i have no idea

[tawny sage]

Atom Shop is non canon though thankfully as that would cause a lore dumpsterfire

[woven scaffold]

Agreed.

I think ghoul children don’t grow up.

[storm grove]

im not sure if theres any lore about ghouls growing up besides billy existing

[red forge]

Atom store is like the creation club - gameplay flavour only.

[vivid meadow]

I think typhon in fallout 1 and 2 ages normally

[tawny sage]

There is so much conflicting info on Ghouls

[red forge]

Probably not, since the Vault-Tec rep from FO4 didn't age, and he'd be 200+ years old.

[storm grove]

on one of his videos tim caine says that mutations are supposed to be weird and ghoul isnt necessarily one thing

[vivid meadow]

Billy is probably just an outlier or not canon

[grand hamlet]

I wasn't really surprised at Xander's reaction, it's pretty BOS-friendly. What it shows is that neither Quintus's chapter or Maxson's are right. Both are zealots.

[storm grove]

i think it could be a way to think about it, maybe its individual to each ghoul or something lol

[tawny sage]

One of the bigger plotholes to me is this
How did Vault 31 not know about Vault 76?

[vivid meadow]

Because why would they be told that?

[storm grove]

maybe individual vault tec employees didnt have access to what was going on in every vault

[tawny sage]

Because it renders the purpose of 31 kind of moot since both exist to reclaim the wasteland

[red forge]

Why would Lucy know about everything about all other vaults?

[vivid meadow]

They were all just middle management being given jobs by buck. Hank was barbs assistant, not a top exec shot caller

[red forge]

Which Billy?

[tawny sage]

Classic vault tec wasting taxpayer money

[storm grove]

fallout 4 fridge kid

[grand hamlet]

Good kid

[vivid meadow]

Vault 31 was not meant to reclaim the world, vault 31 was a bunch of bud’s lackeys who would do what he told them and carry out his will as vault overseers

[storm grove]

31 to 33 being pointless too was also a big, well, point in the show too

[vivid meadow]

How would a bunch of office workers reclaim the wasteland 😭 s

[grand hamlet]

Yes, reclaim the world was just a catchphrase

[tawny sage]

What's the connection between House and the Enclave?

because it looks like one is being implied

[storm grove]

lucy even gets shook when she find sout the wasteland is already inhabited, so reclamation didn't make sense anymore to her

[vivid meadow]

Every vault is a different experiment. I think the trivault experiment is meant to test how easily people can be manipulated

None of them ever questioned why all their leaders were from vault 31, or why they couldn’t visit eachothers vaults

[red forge]

33 is 31's control vault. 33 was made out so they cannot know what 31 is or who is in it.

That's why so far only Norm has discovered the truth.

[grand hamlet]

And if I remember well the first season, some vaults are not managed directly by vault tec but Robco, Poséidon ...

[red forge]

And we still don't yet know what happened with 32.

[red forge]

hmmm I don't think I've ever come across him in my first (and only) playthrough.

[vivid meadow]

They probably found out the truth and either killed themselves or were killed by hank/betty

[red forge]

Plausible theory.

[vivid meadow]

Actually they probably killed themselves

[grand hamlet]

Maybe some escaped

[vivid meadow]

Cause otherwise the wedding wouldn’t have happened if hank knew they were dead

[red forge]

Yeah was just thinking that.

[vivid meadow]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/722431980486131744/1455966652830322830/IMG_1441.png?ex=6956a61c&is=6955549c&hm=c5f12cc243de93011ff2714e98698cf8d3f192d2e81aaf4cc5669ae06a1a7cc5&

[storm grove]

weirdly enough i had gotten the sense that they were eating each other, but i don't remember if it was confirmed

[red forge]

Forgot about that rule...

[grand hamlet]

I'm actually not against a civil war in the BOS, let the most extremists take each other out

[vivid meadow]

I was expecting titus to just hulk out and turn into a supermutant to defend the kids

[tawny sage]

I wonder what's going on with the Minutemen

[vivid meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/ya-gif-18052126639912368166

[tawny sage]

Did they implode again or are they still doing their thing?

[grand hamlet]

Hé lacks a few perks for now

[vivid meadow]

What if titus keeps his intelligence and becomes the next frank horrigan

[minor lark]

Id assume they merged with the Eastern BOS or became the local policing force in the commonwealth.

[tawny sage]

NCR Frank Horrigan or something?

[red forge]

Don't FEV testing require living subjects?

[vivid meadow]

No, like just a supermutant with power armor

[tawny sage]

He's looking more like a Centaur tbh

Honestly I hope we get to see Power Armor troopers from the Enclave as clearly they're still around

[storm grove]

i've heard word of a settlement that needs your help. Here, let me mark it on your map

[grand hamlet]

I love how the Legion's remnants are ridiculed. But I hope we'll see Culkin again.

[vivid meadow]

He hasn’t sprouted extra limbs yet, it looks like his skull is expanding so i think supermutant is more likely

[tawny sage]

supermutants don't grow teeth on their necks

[grand hamlet]

And I liked the way they entertained Maximus joining Xander just to end up this way

[vivid meadow]

Centaurs are created from throwing multiple animals into an fev vat tho

The mouth could just be a scar with some broken bone in

[storm grove]

yeah i dont think hes a centaur but definitely got fed some FEV

[tawny sage]

Could be a strain of FEV we haven't seen yet

[vivid meadow]

He could also just be a unique type of mutant

[tawny sage]

I looked at the credits for the show, they're still hiding Mr Home Alone's character name

[foggy garden]

Yea, with the way that moved, it was no scar.

[red forge]

Who are you talking about? Thaddeus?

[nimble pike]

BIG SPOILER SO BECAREFUL !
Yes i was very interested when i heard Harkness says that the commonwealth seems even worth than before, that they absolutly needs the artefact

What happened there ? Maybe he's lying or maybe that he says that because the minutemens won and the BOS wants to take over
Some BOS member actually says that they dont like the fact that the minutemens have so much power

Unfortunatly we might never know what happened because Harkness is dead and a civil war is about to come

[red forge]

Dude, please use spoiler tags.

[nimble pike]

Sorry

[plush quest]

||It seems like the Commonwealth might not have Liberty Prime. Or whatever they’re up against was able to defeat it||

||Also Harkness sucks at fighting. I don’t think he got a single hit on the Securitron with his super sledge ||

They’re not really known for their evasive skills

[red forge]

I honestly thought ||he was about to keel over on that fight.||

[nimble pike]

I agree 😂

[rain matrix]

Home alone looks a little different

[nimble pike]

The only skill member of the entire Brotherhood seems to be Maximus 😂

[rain matrix]

Must have been the directors cut or something

[plush quest]

Culkin looks too clean cut to be a Legionary imo

[red forge]

He found his home in ||"Kaisers Legion"||.

[plush quest]

||If he’s sandwiched between two legion, does that make it a Kaiser bun?||

[rain matrix]

He went from setting traps for burglars to ||crucifying people|| 🤣

[plush quest]

Was really hoping for a lengthy JK Simmons monologue

Theory: ||The Minutemen ending is canon and the Commonwealth BoS wasn’t able to obtain the Beryllium Agitator to power Liberty Prime, which is why they need Cold Fusion ||

Kind of disappointed Maximus ||got a new suit. The yao guai claw marks were pretty badass||

||But hey it has Motion Assist Servos. ||So hot dog I guess

[vale girder]

https://tenor.com/view/h2di-piglet-happy-pig-happy-gif-11790163727987666887

What an episode!!! War! War! War! War!

[plush quest]

RIP ||Harkness (ep 2-ep3)||

[mighty geyser]

|| test ||

[abstract sleet]

awww what an adorable piglet!

[mighty geyser]

Ok so SPOILERS for ep 3 ending but I gotta rant about this: || why the hell does Xander choose to kill the ghoul children and claim it’s apart of the codex when in every game since the brotherhoods inception, the brotherhood openly is disgusted by ghouls but don’t exterminate them every time we see them, like fallout 4, you bring Hancock on the prydwen and they don’t open fire on sight, they just show disgust, so it kind of annoys me they’d just throw away that lore, ||

||This basically just shows the brotherhood is the exact same as the enclave on morals…||

[tawny sage]

||I like how they implied House doesn't really vibe with Vault Tec from the Veterans' Hall flashback||

[mighty geyser]

||but if that’s the case the commonwealth brotherhood would not be as powerful as the show implies they are||

[plush quest]

||House never really vibed with Vault Tec at all. He just works with them because it’s beneficial to his goals||

||Likely the same with the Enclave||

[plush quest]

||They’re not that powerful according to Harkness. Arthur’s chapter we see in game could kick the west coasts ass even without Liberty Prime||

It could just be better organized and better trained than the rest of the chapters

Or just have much larger numbers, considering it seems like the Capital Wasteland chapter was folded into the Commonwealth chapter

[mighty geyser]

Arthur maxsons chapter reunited the outcasts and Lyons brotherhood under one banner, that’s why they are so powerful

[plush quest]

Yeah I don’t think their power comes from Liberty Prime at all. Just their large numbers, a stocked armory, and better training

They are able to manufacture T-60 suits after all. ||Likely why Harkness is able to afford a spare||

[mighty geyser]

Nah I have no issues with this in the show, but something that really grinds my gears is what I stated above

[mighty geyser]

This right here ||goes against everything we see in the games||

[plush quest]

The Yosemite Elder does say the Codex is up to… interpretation

[abstract pagoda]

The Brotherhood's portrayal in the show is awful.

The show clearly wants us to hate them,
And yeah, I do. A lot.
What a waste of a faction. 🤷‍♂️

[plush quest]

||Harkness represents someone who fully on board with the BoS’s mission. Like a lot. So he may have a more extreme interpretation of the Codex||

[mighty geyser]

Like the tv series had us for a moment on pushing the brotherhood as|| “the good guys” when in fact if what is to be interpreted from the show, the brotherhood isn’t any better than the enclave…||

[plush quest]

Like he really enjoys the search and destroy missions

[abstract pagoda]

They're even worse, I'd argue.

At least the Enclave you can kind of take seriously.

[mighty geyser]

Which is insane because my faction is the epitome of evil in most fallout players eyes

[plush quest]

That’s normal story writing imo. Present a morally ambiguous faction as the “good guys” and tear down that perception piece by piece as the show goes on

[abstract pagoda]

They never really were presented as the good guys.

[minor lark]

Wonder if we'll see the Followers at the Fort

[mighty geyser]

But the interpretation scene was specifically for preparing a civil war, it wasn’t about how they viewed|| “abominations”||

[plush quest]

Even in season one they weren’t really portrayed as all good. Give Titus’s actions and demeanor

[abstract sleet]

Love the Followers

They do good

[plush quest]

You can take the same concept and apply it to any of the Codex’s rules

[mighty geyser]

But that hasn’t been seen in any of the past games, so are we just gonna retcon the past games for the show?

[plush quest]

||Harkness likely did his own “interpretation” but instead of a Civil War it was more for killing muties. He’d do well in the Enclave||

Gotta stop treating the BoS as a monolithic organization written in stone. We’ve seen in every game that individual chapters and members twist the original ideals to suit their goals

[abstract pagoda]

||I would've been satisfied if Xander treated them like a nuisance, shoo'd them away, scared them, etc.
Y'know, acted like a bit of a jerk to get them out of the way.
But the fact that he found them, then immediately rounded up the kids (Only like a handful of which were actually ghouls) to systematically execute them while being grossly cheery about it is just... Stupidly evil.||
The writers really bought into the fan narrative around the Brotherhood after 4.

[mighty geyser]

||What is known with the codex since fallout4 atleast is they don’t openly exterminate ghouls, so having the show bring this high ranking paladin in and showing that he openly interprets the codex differently shows something completely different compared to every other paladin and knight in fallout 4||

[abstract pagoda]

To be fair, the show does that.

The show isn't giving us different takes on the Brotherhood, they're all different flavors of deplorable.

[plush quest]

It’s been 10 years since Fallout 4, their ghoul policy might change. Especially after what happens underneath the Boston Airport

[abstract pagoda]

It sure can change, but I can also think that's a dumb thing to write.

[mighty geyser]

That’s what I dislike though, because we never heard about the brotherhood ||openly killing ghouls In fallout 4, even bringing a ghoul upon the prydwen (Hancock) shows them viewing him with disgust but doesn’t openly kill him, it’s just weird how this is how they portray this chapter when in the game they never showed any signs of doing this||

[plush quest]

We don’t know how the Sole Survivor handled the whole Ghoul infestation in the Boston Airport

[mighty geyser]

But those ghouls were feral not sentient

[abstract pagoda]

The Brotherhood in 4 are about as anti-ghoul as anyone in the Wasteland is supposed to be.

[mighty geyser]

I feel better about supporting || the enclave right about now after this episode, our faction clearly isn’t the only ones not opposed to exterminating abominations||

[gray turret]

Yo does anyone know if we're going to see Joshua in the TV show?

[plush quest]

Unlikely

[plush quest]

Generally, the BoS care little about that distinction. They’ve always had a “on the fence” opinion about letting non-ferals live. I wouldn’t take much for them to fall on the wrong side of the fence

[abstract pagoda]

As much as literally anyone else in the wasteland.

[plush quest]

Sure in the games they don’t outright shoot at them, but almost all BoS members display disdain for them

It isn’t out of the realm of possibility that some extremely fanatic members may not follow the no-kill order when unsupervised

[abstract pagoda]

Like, ||Xander threatening the kids, scaring them - Even forcing them out of the way? Totally fine||
||Smiling and laughing about executing a dozen children for no reason isn't defensible writing.||

[plush quest]

||And Harkness sure does love killing things and is happy to do it||

||I said it earlier, but Harkness would do well in the Enclave||

[abstract pagoda]

||He'd do well in the dirt, good job Maximus.||

[plush quest]

||Kinda bunk that he got one-shot by a super sledge. Those things aren’t all that powerful in-game||

||Try ones hitting a Paladin in game with one of those. You’d need food buffs and chems to accomplish that||

||For all we know he’s not dead and only concussed. Although that was a pretty big dent in his helmet||

[mighty geyser]

I honestly pray we get to see the ||commonwealth come out on top||, i absolutely despise quintus’s chapter

[plush quest]

I doubt we’ll see the Commonwealth in full force.|| It seems like they’re busy handling something big on the east coast which is why Quintus thought it was a good time to revolt.||

That plus the acquisition of Cold Fusion

[abstract pagoda]

||Personally I hope the Brotherhood is wiped out wholesale, the faction is spent as far as I'm concerned. If they're all /this/ bad with /this/ little nuance, I don't want them back||

[plush quest]

They only sent one guy to deal de-escalate a Civil War

I think there’s a lot of nuance in the TV shows depiction of the BoS but people keep comparing them to the BoS in their heads

[abstract pagoda]

Any examples?

[mighty geyser]

Hopefully they bring the enclave back in some sort of force to take advantage of the brotherhoods issues, especially since ||the ncr is basically cooked||

I mean the enclave has an entire research colony working and running with logistics which means that research colony is getting orders from some sort of command structure

[plush quest]

The differences between all the West Coast chapters for one

[abstract pagoda]

They're all jerks.

[plush quest]

I haven’t seen anything negative from the Yosemite chapter other than their willingness to revolt

[abstract pagoda]

Corrupt, she immediately takes a bribe to sell out the Brotherhood

[plush quest]

That’s nuance

[mighty geyser]

I got that feeling too ngl, at that ||meeting scene they all seemed to be on the same depraved level of quintus||

[abstract pagoda]

Not in my book, and if it were - It's not nearly enough to notice.

[plush quest]

Nuance isn’t supposed to be easily noticed. You’re supposed to read between the lines

[abstract pagoda]

Nah. That's nonsense.

[plush quest]

People want nuance but don’t actually know what it is lol

[abstract pagoda]

I asked you what you found nuanced about them.

[plush quest]

I told you but you disagreed. Not much changing about that

[abstract pagoda]

You gave me one chapter that immediately removed itself from the story?

Even if I were to cosign your appraisal of the Yosemite chapter.

[plush quest]

We have a definitional misunderstanding which we won’t get pass until we agree what “nuance” actually is

What do you consider nuance? Using examples from BoS past

[abstract pagoda]

Doing things for rational, realistic reasons.

[mighty geyser]

||Each of these chapters seem to be too small to even do anything against the commonwealth anyways, that’s why they are looking to work together im guessing, kind of the reason why we have probably never heard of these chapters||

[plush quest]

That’s literally not what nuance means

[abstract pagoda]

I'm waiting...

[plush quest]

I’m waiting for your examples

[mighty geyser]

Nuance: a subtle difference in or shade of meaning, expression, or sound.

• Oxford languages

[plush quest]

subtle being the key word here

[abstract pagoda]

The Brotherhood having a greater mission of protecting humanity from rogue technology while at the same time having a borderline disdainful view of the world and the people they're meant to be protecting, almost viewing them as uneducated infants.

Nuance is literally about showing multiple sides of something or someone.

[plush quest]

And I’m arguing that they are showing multiple sides of the west coast chapters

[abstract pagoda]

With the Yosemite chapter?
Not enough, not nearly enough.

[vale girder]

RIP to the sweet prince his life was short lived

[plush quest]

The Yosemite was on board one second and not the next. That displays nuance in her decision making

A small subtle difference in the situation caused her to change her mind about rebelling

[abstract pagoda]

||If he were any longer lived we'd have a mess of dead children on our hands.||

[abstract pagoda]

The Yosemite chapter is irrelevant to the story.

[plush quest]

She’s literally 1/3 of the support Quintus needs to enact his Civil War

[abstract pagoda]

If you show me a faction, then show me 99% of that faction are cartoonish asshats - I'm going to call out the 99%. Not the 1% of Dane, Maximus and the Yosemite leader.

[plush quest]

Her willingness to go along with it is integral to how that storyline plays out

You’re arguments display a lack of nuance in your understanding imo

[abstract pagoda]

It's a TV show, mate.

[plush quest]

You aren’t going to find nuance because you aren’t willing to look for it

[abstract pagoda]

Don't make it personal.

[plush quest]

I’m not attacking your character, just your arguments. It’s not personal

We’re both just fans discussing the show/games. I didn’t bring up anything other than that

[abstract pagoda]

If you show me a faction, then show me 99% of that faction are cartoonish, evil asshats - I'm going to call out the 99%. Not the 1% of Dane, Maximus and the Yosemite leader.

If we wanna get back on track.

[plush quest]

But that 1% IS the nuance that you say is missing

[abstract pagoda]

Three people acting rationally /against/ the faction from within does not paint the faction as nuanced. It paints those three people as sensible because they're against something no obviously nonsensical and lacking nuance.

[plush quest]

I wouldn’t even say 99% of the BoS in the show are cartoonishly evil. Lots of background members seem to be just doing their job. It’s really only been Quintus, Harkness, and the Coronado elder

[mighty geyser]

I honestly don’t think|| Xander is dead..||

[abstract pagoda]

Blame the show for what it chooses to show.

[plush quest]

Media literacy is dead

[abstract pagoda]

It's the equivalent to pointing to Oskar Schindler and talking about the Nuance of his 'faction'.

[woven scaffold]

I think he is dead and ||Thaddeus is going to take his PA and pretend to be him for as long as possible, getting up to funny hijinks and acting weird until he’s found out and has to run.||

[mighty geyser]

Well from what we heard what Titus said about squires who don’t do what their told, we can assume they are pretty messed up

[vale girder]

What’s up with all the factions being goofballs in the TV show though?

[abstract pagoda]

The NCR and Legion seem to be characterized okay

[vale girder]

They’re all a bunch of silly goobers

[plush quest]

Now you’re going off topic. I’d go into it but that crosses the line into irl political stuff

[mighty geyser]

Bro ngl the only faction in the show that was really serious was the enclave and they only had like 5 minutes of screen time in season 1

[abstract pagoda]

You get the point of not defending the wider organization by pointing to people within it working against it

[vale girder]

When that legate took off his helmet and it was THAT guy I liked it. But like…. Can one of the factions be a little bit serious? Ack ack ack

[plush quest]

And your argument earlier was that we should judge the BoS as a wider organization following every rule of the codex when that’s simply not that case

[abstract pagoda]

I have not brought up the Codex once, you're mistaking me for someone else.

[plush quest]

Yeah probably

[mighty geyser]

But the earlier games clearly did use have rules in the codex about || killing ghouls on sight ||

[plush quest]

And we’ve seen in literally every iteration of the BoS since that the Codex changes and changes often

Depending on who’s leading their chapter

[abstract pagoda]

I was a bit underwhelmed by Mccauly Caulkin - From the way the promo sounded I was expecting some huge breakout performance. But it was kinda just... A few lines delivered in an even tone. Not really all that.

[plush quest]

Im not a big fan of him so far either. He looks totally out of place in the legion

[mighty geyser]

Only issue is that’s not true, Lyons didn’t follow the codex, that’s why the outcasts were formed and the west coast didn’t keep in contact with him it was only when the council of elders approved of Arthur maxson taking over the brotherhood and reinstating the original codex that communication was re-established and the outcasted welcomed back into the loop

[vale girder]

I think Sarah Lyon’s is going to come back

[mighty geyser]

Lyons simply threw the codex out the window so to speak

[mighty geyser]

🫤

[vale girder]

https://tenor.com/view/dont-even-say-it-jack-donaghy-30rock-dont-say-a-word-i-dont-wanna-hear-it-gif-21550128

[mighty geyser]

She’s dead

[vale girder]

https://tenor.com/view/steve-carell-nooo-pleasegodno-the-office-angry-gif-12174751

[plush quest]

It could be the case that Harkness was simply not following the Codex either

We don’t even have a full Codex to read through, so it only exists as a narrative device to break as it is

[mighty geyser]

I just don’t see that being the case as he was a paladin from what the show stated? And we are to just believe that he wasn’t following the codex when he had to follow that very codex since he was an initiate and had it drilled his mind every word

[plush quest]

How do you think Lyon’s was raised?

[vale girder]

https://tenor.com/view/very-very-perfect-matty-matheson-michelles-celebrity-affair-and-sichuan-chili-fish-absolute-perfection-so-perfect-gif-26363322

[plush quest]

I’m not too well versed in 3 lore so idk. How was Lyon’s raised?

[mighty geyser]

Like I’m pretty sure getting to the rank of paladin is extremely difficult and only for the best of The brotherhood, and Lyons was trained on the codex but the west coast was sick of his meddling in the council of elders so they sent him on an expedition to the east where over time he decided to just do his own thing and that’s when the west coast was pissed

[bronze horizon]

That’s not lasting for long

[plush quest]

Perhaps they sent Harkness out west where he decided to do his own thing as well

[mighty geyser]

I doubt that as the enclave is clearly not easy to fully eradicate as they are still alive and running even after their main chain of command was disintegrated

[plush quest]

And the east coast chapter would be pissed if they found out

[bronze horizon]

I was talking about them being serious

[plush quest]

Just because we see one guy doing it doesn’t mean the whole Commonwealth approves it

And we’ve seen Paladins break from the Codex. Danse does it all the time, however begrudgingly he goes along with it

[mighty geyser]

You got me there… but I don’t think they’ll go this path, the writers are probably going to go with the codex stating this as rules

[bronze horizon]

Agreed

[plush quest]

They’ll probably not address it all and never actually tell us what the Codex actually is

Like they’ve been doing for 25+ years

Harkness is an especially bloodthirsty member from what we’ve seen so far. He takes a lot of joy in killing what he considers abominations which is probably why he climbed to the rank of Paladin

[mighty geyser]

When you look back at it, there’s no comedy In the enclaves time on screen, it has a very serious tone as they are doing experiments and wilzig decides to go rogue, a little while after a enclave administrator finds out what he’s planning and his dog kills that administrator after he sounded the alarm, nothing about that scene was really funny or unserious, it really did seem serious

[abstract pagoda]

Not really liking how much of a 'boy's club' they're making the Brotherhood out to be either.
That's just straight up not what the Brotherhood is.

Not what it's ever been

[mighty geyser]

Yeah like women clearly aren’t apart of this brotherhood which is weird as that’s not the case in the east coast brotherhood or even the enclave for that matter

[abstract pagoda]

The two speaking characters that aren't traditionally male / masculine being pitted against the faction is kind of a death knell

[plush quest]

They’ve always been somewhat of a boys club… our first introduction to them in the series were Paladins jokingly sending us on a suicide mission to gain access to their super exclusive bunker

They were dohchey frat bros about it

[vale girder]

Yeah I don’t know what they’re doing with the Brotherhood, it’s obvious the showrunners have a heavy disdain for them and uses them as a proverbial punching bag of goofs and gags every episode

[mighty geyser]

Man in fallout 2 they were barely even a thing due to the enclave, Same as new Vegas but even in new Vegas they had female scribes

[vale girder]

The music when the Brotherhood comes up slaps everytime though

I love their theme song in the show

[abstract pagoda]

@plush quest
That's more of a disdain for wastelanders than the kind of 'Boy's club' styling that I'm talking about.
I think I've seen maybe one female background character in the Brotherhood across both seasons so far.
And every speaking male character seems to be all in on this moronic, frat bro, hyper aggressive vision of the Brotherhood while every non traditional / non male speaking character seems to be against it.

[tidal moat]

New episode is out

[plush quest]

That’s not what boys club means. It’s a culture of juvenile and exclusionary behavior. Which we’ve seen since Fallout 1

I think Quintus’s chapter is unique in that they force every member to be masc presenting. There are actually a lot of female members in the background but you don’t notice them because they’re all styled to look more like boys

It goes along with the whole historic medieval religious knight order thing he has going on

The Yosemite chapter has a female leader

[abstract pagoda]

Who is against everything.

[bronze horizon]

You’re correct. But that’s not how this show writing style works.

Once the enclave gets put back in the picture, I can promise it won’t be as serious as they were in episode 2.

Episode 1 season 1 is the best the brotherhood has ever looked in the show

[abstract pagoda]

Hell, the 'fight pit' scene doesn't even deign to put the Yosemite leader in the shot of the Chapter Elders enjoying the fight.
She's left out.

[plush quest]

“Everything” being the one decision of whether or not to revolt?

[abstract pagoda]

Everything being everything the Brotherhood is doing.

[plush quest]

We literally do not know anything about her chapter other than that they can’t decide whether to go to war

[abstract pagoda]

And we won't know anything about her chapter beyond that either.

[plush quest]

So it’s not “everything”

[abstract pagoda]

Yes, yes it is

[plush quest]

I don’t understand your logic man…

[abstract pagoda]

I don't want to bring up the Schindler example again...

[vale girder]

My favourite character in the show is Maximus everyone, I have decided that going forward. Not the Ghoul, Not Lucy (But Lucy is second.) So we need to ensure Maximus survives until Season 16 (At the very least.)

[plush quest]

Then don’t a pick up a better example

Because I’m just not getting what you’re getting at

[abstract pagoda]

You can't judge the veracity of a faction by those within that are opposed to it.

[plush quest]

You totally can

[abstract pagoda]

Schindler.

[plush quest]

That literally happens in like 99% of media

[abstract pagoda]

No, no it's not.

[plush quest]

Someone in a story will have doubts about the people they work for so they do actions that go against their normal ideals

[steep raven]

Lord don’t let this show have 16 seasons 🙏

[abstract pagoda]

That person isn't who we're talking about, we're talking about 'the people they work for'

[vale girder]

https://tenor.com/view/case-caseoh-your-banned-you'e-banned-get-out-gif-7698576230662898937

[plush quest]

I forget which section of the story circle it is, but reckoning with your elders is a key moment in every “hero” story

[thick patio]

https://tenor.com/view/sleep-time-lizard-gif-10909417

[abstract pagoda]

If you're making a case that the Yosemite leader isn't awful, I agree with you. But that isn't the case I'm making

The Yosemite leader /not/ being awful is more testament to me pointing out that this Brotherhood is a 'boy's club'

[plush quest]

I’m saying it’s reasonable to judge a faction based off the opinions of people who are dissatisfied with it

[abstract pagoda]

Since the only female leader is the only outlier.

[plush quest]

The Grand Canyon chapter isn’t necessarily evil either. They just really love their robots

[abstract pagoda]

They're idiotic, jocular morons who think with their privates, you mean? Very boys club.

He laughs when the Coronado leader drops a C bomb on the Yosemite leader and he's smiling and laughing over the 'fight to the death' pit.

[plush quest]

Going back to that argument, yes 3/4 of the West Coast chapters are boys clubs. To me that’s deliberate storytelling showcasing how far they’ve fallen since the BoS/NCR war

[abstract pagoda]

That 3/4 chapters accounts for 99% of characters on screen.

[plush quest]

I think your math is wrong

[abstract pagoda]

With speaking roles.

If you want to fanon that everyone else isn't a moron, be my guest.

[plush quest]

We don’t even have 100 speaking characters. It’s no where close to what your feeling

[abstract pagoda]

99% of speaking characters.

[plush quest]

Again. The math is not lining up with your perception

There’s been what like 10 speaking BoS characters? Maximus Dane and Harkness account for for 3 of them

[abstract pagoda]

Harkness isn't free of the boys club accusations.

[plush quest]

Quintus is less “one of the boys” and more of the dean of the college so to speak

[abstract pagoda]

Maximus isn't really for most of the show thus far.

Again, you're playing into semantics.

[plush quest]

You’re misusing statistics

[abstract pagoda]

You know exactly what I'm saying

[plush quest]

The majority yes. But calling it 99% is disingenuous to the argument

[abstract pagoda]

The lack of objection to the behavior going on in the chapters implies agreement with it
That would account for 99%

[plush quest]

That’s a fallacy and you know it

[abstract pagoda]

It's stronger evidence of support than non-support from random background actors.

But it is a useless point to go over.

Again, you know exactly what I'm saying.

[plush quest]

There were way more backgrohnd actors actually examining and cataloguing Area 51 tech than destroying it

But all everyone focuses on are the alien and the car

[abstract pagoda]

That isn't the issue with that scene.

[vale girder]

https://tenor.com/view/pig-big-piggy-meeboo-piggster-piggy-gif-18353973

[plush quest]

It goes against your argument

[abstract pagoda]

No it doesn't?

If there were way more people voicing disagreement with destroying the car, that would go against my argument.

[vale girder]

Hello sweet potato 😊

[plush quest]

From what I’ve seen, that’s the main thing people point to when they say the BoS in the show are a bunch of moronic frat bros

[abstract pagoda]

I've got a lot more to point to than that.

[plush quest]

Ok. But you haven’t addressed the point that the BoS not 99% a boys club, given what we’ve seen in the show

[vale girder]

I was holding out hope that the East Cost would be different but after this episode..... My hope is dwindling

[plush quest]

They just make efforts to highlight the parts that are

[abstract pagoda]

You haven't given me any evidence to the contrary, you've only mentioned the Yosemite leader.
Who I pointed out is /against/ the cultural norms of the BoS and is very pointedly made an outlier.

[plush quest]

The multitude of scribes cataloguing the Area 51 tech that you refused to engage with??

[abstract pagoda]

That isn't against the notion of the BoS being a boy's club.

[plush quest]

Contrasted with the 2-4 knights we’ve seen in that scene who are being moronic idiots, it kind of is

[abstract pagoda]

Do you think everyone in 'boy's club' organization acts the same way? That there is nobody in them doing actual work?

'Doing your job' isn't against what a 'Boy's club' is.

[vale girder]

They haven’t shown them doing actual work really, we can only go by what we’re shown

[plush quest]

I don’t think we’re watching the same show fellas

[abstract pagoda]

You're focusing on things the show isn't focusing on.

[plush quest]

Because I’m trying to explain the nuance in something that you say is 99% true

[abstract pagoda]

It's the show's job to show nuance, not the audience's job to interpret it from what extras are fiddling with in a blurry background shot.

[thick patio]

Let's keep this chat focused on the Fallout show. If you wish to discuss lore, then please do so in the #fallout-lore channel.

[plush quest]

Tbf, we are talking about the lore presented in the show. But we can move it there if it’s better suited for that channel

[vale girder]

They’re talking about the show

[plush quest]

It just seemed better to talk about it here to prevent less spoiler spillage in a non-show dedicated channel

[vale girder]

What are you guys debating about anyway? Whether or not the BoS are goofy goobers?

[thick patio]

Discussing the show itself is what this chat is for. Getting into the Fallout lore semantics is better suited in the #fallout-lore chat.

[abstract pagoda]

Naw, the direction the show is going with them specifically this episode and the last where they're really pushing the 'Boy's club' energy.
They definitely are some goofy goobers.

[plush quest]

I think it’s needed to show how the BoS chapters on the west coast have fallen

And why the Commonwealth has such an edge over them

[abstract pagoda]

Harkness isn't portrayed as much better.

[plush quest]

I’d argue he’s much better than most of the characters we’ve seen

[vale girder]

They’re goofy goobers 💯 but I’m just taking it as that’s how the show is portraying them, I like it but it’s weird because it’s not how we know them at all. Just have to see where it goes.

[plush quest]

Just a little blood thirsty

He still keeps up the appearance of decorum at least

With that sweet ass jacket

[abstract pagoda]

In what ways is he different?
He's even more zealous, just as jocular, just as callous, we don't see him interact with technology or women.

[plush quest]

He holds more strongly to the original BOS ideals, even if the way he interprets them may be on the extreme side

He’s a “boy” but on the complete opposite spectrum than the West Coast

[abstract pagoda]

Can you be more specific?

[plush quest]

The mods said cool it on the semantics talk. But genereally I see him being cut from a different cloth than we’ve seen from 99% of the BoS we’ve seen on the show so far

[abstract pagoda]

That's a little bit less specific. TuT

[vale girder]

https://tenor.com/view/pig-eating-sleep-time-nose-pigx-gif-21010174

[plush quest]

Less of the Alpha type of frat bro and more of the Sigma type. God I felt cringe saying that but it’s true if you’ve interacted with some of these frats

[vale girder]

What the hell are you people going on about? Am I on Reddit?

[abstract pagoda]

I have no idea what that means.
He still acts hyper aggressive, shows off his sweet gear, talks like a jock, etc, etc.

[thick patio]

This is Discord, and as the channel states, this is the chat for the Fallout show

[abstract pagoda]

He has more moments of lucidity, where he's less of a stereotype, but I don't think that frees him of the 'Boy's club' inclusion.

[tidal tendon]

https://tenor.com/view/wtf-is-going-on-here-what-is-going-on-here-burning-house-burning-gif-12269420

[plush quest]

I gotta prepare drive ahead of me for tonight.

[gray badger]

My read on the different BoS chapters breaks down to this basically

Knights of San Fernando: theologically focused

The Commonwealth: Tech focused and militant

The others: Survival focused

[plush quest]

I’d love to upset the mods more but I gotta get ready

[vale girder]

https://tenor.com/view/confused-confused-look-confused-face-funny-funny-look-gif-4850532509577233362

[plush quest]

Sigma-Pi rules

[vale girder]

What’s a Sigma and Alpha frat bro though? Are those different college campuses in America?

And where does Sarah Lyons inevitable return fit into any of that?

[plush quest]

On my campus. The Alpha frat was your stereotypical dumb jock party frats. Our Sigma chapter required a level of academic excellence but still was more or less of a boy’s club.

The BoS makes a lot of sense if you view it through an American Greek Life lense

Another name for a Brotherhood is a fraternity. They even operate in similar disparate “chapters”

Lyon’s would fall under a more service oriented co-ed frat. Like the kinds that do a lot of volunteer work for the local church

[weak kayak]

I hope the legion shows up again

[plush quest]

Sad we didn’t really get to hear JK Simmon’s speak as Caesar

||My bet is that he’s dead in the insueing Civil War that the Ghoul caused||

[weak kayak]

I hope not lol

[plush quest]

||We know Culkin’s character will pick up the crown eventually||

[cunning rock]

Ok, no spoilers from me; perfect 3rd episode, gets my stamp of approval!

[last garnet]

im starting to think lucy int is on negative number

[weak kayak]

https://tenor.com/view/legate-lanius-caesar-fallout-new-vegas-fallout-caesars-legion-gif-16021450086386268525

[cunning rock]

Only problem with the tv-series is I’m not the protagonist

[cunning rock]

She’s lead a pretty sheltered life

[hollow oasis]

Lucy definitely has low charisma. Her charismatic attempts arent working, at all

[lofty prairie]

Hello y’all, how’s chats steaming after that last episode. Going to say it again genuinely peeved about the weekly release now lol.

[lofty prairie]

Yeah, one of these days tho it’ll pass.

[lofty prairie]

Was he trying to play Legate lanius? I don’t ever remember him being called that by name in the show but he wears the legate armour

[hollow oasis]

Lucy: [Chooses Charisma option]

[FAILED]

[steep raven]

I was under the impression that he was just a legate

personally I feel like they could’ve got someone else for his role.
Someone a bit more intimidating ig?

[lofty prairie]

Yeah

[abstract pagoda]

The second Caesar Coop sees through his spyglass also looked like quite a small dude

[calm trellis]

Are we sure Justin Theroux is actually playing House?

[glacial bridge]

This was the best episode of S2 by a wide margin imo. Very quotable, too.

||"His government had defied god, and for that, he defied his government."
"Behold, the dimness of the sword." "I have no need for the thoughts of a sword."
"All that remains of America is the overwhelming evidence of its failure."||

Also did anyone else spot ||HELIOS ONE|| in the background at 31:26?

[vivid meadow]

I wanted to see the ghoul get some character development but nah

[glacial bridge]

Isn't that like the entire second half of this episode

[vivid meadow]

What development does he get?

He just screws over everyone who gets in his way

He sold out those ncr rangers

Cause it was the easiest option

[glacial bridge]

||He chooses to bomb the Legion because he thinks it's the right thing to do, not because it benefits him specifically. The symbolism with the lighter and using it to light the dynamite is pretty explicit.||

[glacial bridge]

||Yeah, but he realizes it was the morally incorrect option, so he blows up Fortification Hill in order to prevent them from actually hunting them down.||

[vivid meadow]

No, he bombed the legion because it benefited him. He already wanted to kill the two legion members in the last episode.

[glacial bridge]

How did it benefit him? He explicitly says it might've been "stupid"

[vivid meadow]

The legion is a threat, he was already killing non hostile legion members. He blew them up because it was an easy opportunity

[glacial bridge]

I think the symbolism of him using the lighter given to him by Charlie, following Charlie's monologue, is pretty on the nose

[lilac sequoia]

he said himself it was either a good thing or completely stupid. He's doing it because it symbolizes his humanity in saving Lucy

He did what he did and he clearly knows what the cause and effect was but also aware it could go completely wrong

[vivid meadow]

The symbolism is that charlie gave him the lighter because he didn’t believe his killing needed to be celebrated and the ghoul became everything charlie was against

[lilac sequoia]

|| The civil war will only bring down to a new Ceasar to take over and the Legion will shrink but still enough to go after those NCR Rangers if he truly did snitch their location ||

[glacial bridge]

||Charlie is actively encouraging him to kill House AND giving him intel on how to do it. Charlie isn't against killing.||

[lilac sequoia]

|| The reason he did it was because for once he's fighting for the right thing because throughout the season he didnt care for anyone but himself ||

Sure he needs lucy as a benefit but we clearly know his boundaries are beginning to fall being more around her

[wooden narwhal]

https://tenor.com/view/negan-hot-dog-gif-17868833850532470804

[lilac sequoia]

and Walton Goggins has already stated his character is earning his humanity more and more

||I believe cooper sold the location at Camp Golf and not actually the one near primm the rangers are held up in. ||

sure he's not morally correct but he clearly has respect for soldiers

[glacial bridge]

||Yeah, the fact that they didn't include him actually selling the location out feels like a deliberate decision to me.||

[wooden narwhal]

Well, this means Fallout Tactics has become more Canon.

In the game Fallout Tactics: Brotherhood of Steel ||does have an internal conflict during the events on 2197 -through- 2198, culminating in the Midwestern Brotherhood chapter essentially going rogue and preparing for a potential war with the more isolationist West Coast chapters due to ideological differences.||

Can't wait for more episodes!
Really hoping there is an opposing chapter within The Enclave, and it be presented in this series.

Reason I typed "this". - Because; This brings on the opportunity for there to be an animated series "now or later".

(?Maybe?)

[lofty prairie]

Hey guys

[wooden narwhal]

Giving Cooper Ghouler to much credit.
He sold them out! 🤣 -what else would they use for content in the next coming episodes or seasons? lol

(jk)
("Could see them killing Coop off early though, makes sense for a 'Random Ghoul' to die in the wasteland")

[lofty prairie]

Then the Legion forgot entirely, and are to busy fighting each other.

[hallow sail]

🤣

[lilac sequoia]

Well we know the next episode and according to set leaks there is a Battalion east of Shady Sands where it blew up and was confirmed by that Captain

[hallow sail]

jsut now watching episode 3

[lilac sequoia]

we also know according to set leaks || There are legion and NCR fighting with Norm and his vault 31 members there too ||

[hallow sail]

KEVIN!

[wooden narwhal]

Hypothesis", Coop Ghouler tries as much as possible to redeem himself in acts of redemption to patch up his past, then ends up dying a hero and never forgotten.

[vivid meadow]

Why does this channel even need spoiler tags, why come discuss the show if ur not caught up

[wooden narwhal]

Incase you haven't seen the "most recent".

Can respect that.

[hallow sail]

for mod/rules related questions use @hearty pasture

[vivid meadow]

Then see the most recent first

[wooden narwhal]

Basically.

[thick patio]

Because it is posted in the channel's description: "Please use spoilers for the show! You can use || on either side of what you want to hide"

[wooden narwhal]

I am putting you in the "DO NOT READ SPOILERS CATEGORY".

[hallow sail]

the mod hatah spoken, heed the lizard wizard or face the wrath

[lofty prairie]

Oh I 100% think cooper will die in later seasons he seems like the character that would. he believes his death should’ve been long ago.

[calm trellis]

|| I bet the NCR rangers will help out the two later on ||

[steep raven]

||The legion also still seem to own a large amount of territory so I wonder how thats gonna get resolved since Caulkin’s character presumably takes control of them (by “them” I mean the ones in the two pretenders camps atleast) at some point.||

[hallow sail]

cooper's pre-war house is pretty nice i think

[wooden narwhal]

Does this have soemthing to do with what has been rleased or what is to come?

[vivid meadow]

“Why is this rule here”
“Because the rule is there”
🥀

[steep raven]

||Well for one theres that map in that brotherhood room where the elder cleric talks about roger maxson and stuff||

[hallow sail]

that's not going to end well

[steep raven]

||Buncha bull banners on it||

[wooden narwhal]

I ask, is cause ... I do not want to read "What is to Come" type spoilers.

[lofty prairie]

I like what the show is trying to tell us. That anyone trying to rebuild in the old world formula will ultimately meet the same end as the US. And I love how they are playing the sides in the show that a lot of soldiers realised this. The moment Vaultec became in charge is when America fell in their eyes.

[thick patio]

Let's move on

[steep raven]

||Fair enough||

[glacial bridge]

I'm going to that map and see if anything interesting shows up

[wooden narwhal]

Is it what has happened or what is to come?

[steep raven]

||I’m only assuming caulkin takes control based off the few legion trailer scenes that we didn’t see in this episode involving them||

[wooden narwhal]

Okay, just tell me what you are typing about as the Header. So I would open it.

[lofty prairie]

I noticed how each faction failing is parallel to how every country lost the war in Fallout.

[wooden narwhal]

I don't want Script Injections.

All open for assumptions and hypothesis.

[lofty prairie]

And thats how cooper sees every faction. They are just another army fighting another war.

[glacial bridge]

||First thing that piques my interest is that "Bloomfield Space Station" is marked on the map. That's a Van Buren location.||

[wooden narwhal]

https://tenor.com/view/war-never-changes-war-fallout-soldier-run-gif-16498934

[steep raven]

my whole message is just my personal assumption of what caulkins legion role could eventually become. It’s really not based on anything we’ve seen/been told officially so far so dont need to worry about that.

[lofty prairie]

Believe me I love certain factions but I love how they are playing show i showing us how lots of progress can be undone in an instant and how civilisation is doomed to fail if they repeat the old world ideals.

Which isnt nothing new i mean, Ulysses talks about it and so does others but the show is making this very clear.

[lofty prairie]

My friend made an art with that slogan but the way the words were positioned made it say war changes never

[crisp grail]

man ... i just LOVE how they took on the legion , 1 part deadly scary , 1 part hilarious LARPers

[spark nova]

I wonder how screwed DC is now without the BoS, a very dangerous region and they seem to have completely abandoned it for the Commonwealth.

[wooden narwhal]

I could tonally see this happening, and he hooks up with RH. 🤣 -they go off becoming entrepreneurs of the wasteland and selling solar energy with ||mind control devices to ||make Gecko's do the labor.

[glacial bridge]

||Ok, a LOT of Van Buren locations are marked on this map. || 👀

[spark nova]

Good case to be made VB is broad strokes canon.

[lofty prairie]

Yea but I doubt the BoS would entirely abandon the pentagon… sorry department of war and they also have under control the Whitehouse so I get that commonwealth is majority of DC chapter but still if Maxson has left those he doesn’t clearly know what he had to begin with.

[wooden narwhal]

If not Solar. ||Cold Fusion Application|| service.

[minor lark]

The map looks very very close to a fan made map found online. Something to keep in mind if you wanna see sourcing

[crisp grail]

oh god, yeah i saw some guy railing at Juicehead because he hasnt talked about it yet

thing is... at the end of the day, Betheda and now Microsoft owns ALL of it under its trademarks ... so while perhaps the showrunners should attach a thank you to the prior map makers... they really dont have a legal leg to stand on as fans

[spark nova]

Going by CC stuff, consider that canon as you will, they seem to have up and abandoned DC, leaving older PA suits behind after obtaining their T-60 stock and letting the locals to handle things on their own.

[glacial bridge]

Indeed, but this is the first appearance of these locations in canon media

[wooden narwhal]

The best game, that should have been fully released. -they can still release it. I say they should make it a side story. Like, FalloutNV. The Demo was really awesome.

[minor lark]

Oh im not knocking the map. Just so people can find a clearer image than the episodes. It's blurry

[spark nova]

The New Plague really needs to be featured heavily in some story, it even got a shoutout in last week's episode

[lofty prairie]

Guys who do you thinks gonna come on top of the BoS civil war?

[wooden narwhal]

@glacial bridge if they do release Fallout VB. They should make it the FIRST isometric mobile Fallout game. Before making FO1&FO2 for mobile access.

[lofty prairie]

I feel like the show it’s trying to side us with commonwealth chapter, I mean if they have liberty prime it’s over before it began

[spark nova]

Call it Fallout: New Denver or something

[crisp grail]

im honestly unsure where this is gonna take us - i assume a Civil War but that seems like a too obvious result

[wooden narwhal]

FO:VB has so much potential too.

[glacial bridge]

Would be a hell of a job getting it from Boston to NV though

[lofty prairie]

Yeah

[spark nova]

I just wanna hang out with the Yosemite elder since she still seems to have her marbles

[crisp grail]

he was the only guy out there, so news would have to get back pretty quick and they'd have to mobilize pretty quick

[hallow sail]

https://tenor.com/view/home-alone-catherine-o-hara-kate-mc-callister-pass-out-faint-gif-12025236

[lofty prairie]

I doubt quintus knows what he’s getting himself into cuz liberty prime would actually wipe out the others.

[crisp grail]

god, some Polygon author was railing about McCauley Culkin "ruined the legion"

[minor lark]

I wanna know more about the Grand Canyon chapter. Dude seems psychotic. Wonder what the region is like.

[steep raven]

||Idk, what xander tried to do at the end seems to be the shows way of reminding us that “The entire brotherhood are douchebags”||

[spark nova]

That's Fisto's homeland

[lofty prairie]

The legion was already ruined

[wooden narwhal]

What ruined it for me was the reused 300 assets.

[crisp grail]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/999779635871101060/1456072561732616405/image.png?ex=695708bf&is=6955b73f&hm=c8666dba58bd6efa2f8a0f1a04a1f5c0264898701cd063d92c5b5180f6a11f0b&

[abstract pagoda]

I was actually pretty happy with how the Legion were portrayed, they were serious and scary

[spark nova]

I was glad to see the salvaged T-45 pauldrons are still around

[abstract pagoda]

Same with the NCR, just swap scary with idealistic

[lofty prairie]

Legion fans when the legion isnt heavily homosexual and straight facists on screen

[steep raven]

The only “unserious” thing is the two opposing camps being next door neighbours

[minor lark]

Hilarious

[crisp grail]

hilarious though

[spark nova]

I wonder how many zany plots have been attempted over the years to get the body

[hallow sail]

kumail is having the time of his life chewing the scenery

[abstract pagoda]

Yeeeeeah, that was a tad goofy looking but I guess they're limited on how big they could build the set

[lofty prairie]

Oh hundreds

Legate lanius wouldve be been a good successor. But he had no interest in taking the the throne

[spark nova]

He also might he dead

[lofty prairie]

Infact lanius hated the legion and was only loyal to Caesar

[wooden narwhal]

They just got, "Okie Dokey'd". -they'll be alright ...

(Okie pun intended -Oklahoma)

[lofty prairie]

Sorta like Rayvis from Jedi survivor

[spark nova]

If go west what about east?

[lofty prairie]

Caesar would be rolling in his grave knowing a goofy Vault overseer did what he and 1000 soldiers failed to do. Make the NCR fall.

[abstract pagoda]

Emphasis on the goofy

[steep raven]

if only he was in a grave to roll around in

[lofty prairie]

Oh yeah I mean hill top lol

[abstract pagoda]

Hank blowing up the capital of the NCR just because a city council member stole his wife

[lofty prairie]

How did he even get up there in the first place. Did he just die on that hill

[spark nova]

He chose a hill to die on and croaked

[minor lark]

Lame hill to die on. Badum tis

[abstract pagoda]

Transporting his body maybe? Then it got ambushed?

[lofty prairie]

Thats wild that he did that

[spark nova]

I've seen it suggested that the camps were dug in around the corpse

[hallow sail]

there's petty then there's REALLY petty

[spark nova]

Well they were stealing the vault's water

[lofty prairie]

Legion: for the glory of Caesar we will destroy the bear.
Hank: My the bear took my wife

[wooden narwhal]

Bird Man aka Swallow/Caeser ||should have been buried||.

[abstract pagoda]

And then he still didn't kill her and wound up losing to her the next time they met again

[icy vortex]

I don't know about y'all, but I thought ep3 was a bit of a sleeper. But im sure it's just the bridge to the next big piece of action.

[frozen badger]

||well i wouldnt underestimate Hank||

[spark nova]

Next week looks to be action packed especially Alaska

[lofty prairie]

Ik but still, as far as we know Hank was a one man army that managed to by himself take down the Biggest post war capital ever. It’s impressive but like kinda goofy.

[abstract pagoda]

What's funny is that he did it in a way Caesar absolutely couldve

And would've if you consider Searchlight

[lofty prairie]

Yep, so it’s like ehh. I Understand maybe he had enclave help but still

[spark nova]

I'm sure we'll get more info on who equipped the caravan guy with the chip

[lofty prairie]

And Caesar was a very intelligent man. If anything him knowing stuff about bombs wouldve been almost guaranteed

[spark nova]

He's dumber than Snuffles

[lofty prairie]

It was the dovahkiin

[spark nova]

mmm chip

[steep raven]

how the caravan even got in without immediately being stopped by guards is beyond me

[abstract pagoda]

We're all dumber than Snuffles

[abstract pagoda]

He said the Pass phrase 😛

[lofty prairie]

Yeah they had one guy on duty at the border. Im still confused about that cuz you would think they’d have guys in power armour with fat man’s guarding the city

Like imma be honest if the president is there and stuff im equipping my best men to guard him and the city

[abstract pagoda]

The caravan realistically would've been searched

[glacial bridge]

Fun fact, the Ranger patch shown on the NCR armor in the new episode looks to be inspired by the real-life patch designed in WWII and worn by the US Army's 75th Ranger Regiment today. Specifically, the star and lighting bolt emblazoned on a shield.

[orchid lake]

Ok so I just saw ep3 and holy cow that was something

Looks like they're going to show more of the Pre-War US army and teased the NCR coming back

[hidden girder]

I kinda figured the ncr would have been in rough condition, but not that bad. Not surprising though. Loved what they did with the Legion.

[thick patio]

As a friendly reminder, please be sure to use the spoiler tag as to not spoil things for others.

[spark nova]

I enjoy the simple marine T-45 paint job, feels like it came right off the assembly line and they just put some markings on it

[wooden narwhal]

Hoping that ALL shall be singing "Auld Lang Syne" @12am tonight!

[abstract pagoda]

It's fun to try and spot props and costumes that are likely to end up in 76

[spark nova]

Marine Paint feels like an easy Atom Shop thing

[hallow sail]

"I think i just started war"
"Well, i'm the floor manager here and it sounds like we both got a lot going on"
"yeah"

[plain portal]

Do you have a picture of it

[hallow sail]

Are you a fan of the soft "c"? 😆

[spark nova]

It's basically just silver PA with MARINES and T-45 printed on the chest in yellow

[plain portal]

Oh

[orchid lake]

Lmaooo

[hallow sail]

the "yeah" right before the credits is like the cherry on top of that conversation

[orchid lake]

It really is

[hallow sail]

chief's kiss

[storm grove]

Oh

okay that one took me a while

autism brain thinking they were all debating orthography

[hallow sail]

kumail didn't leave any scenery for the others to chew on, so it had to end

[orchid lake]

Oof

[plush quest]

Did it bother anyone else that The Ghoul dropped a vial when he was grabbing them from the NCR soldier?

[storm grove]

YES

idk why he's wasting the jet since he apparently needs the stuff

[orchid lake]

Yeah, but he probably is going back for them

[plush quest]

I think the Goggins did it on accident but it wasn’t in character for him to pick it up

And they didn’t bother with a reshoot because the directors thought that was more in-line with his character

[storm grove]

yes possibly, they might have liked the scene since he was being disrespectful to the NCR ppl and that just added to the insult

[orchid lake]

Well clearly he still cared for them enough to keep the Legion from getting them

[lofty prairie]

I want to see t51 power armour

In the show. We’re is it. It was the western BoS signature armour.

[orchid lake]

Well the Western BoS chapters which used it probably phased it out for the T-60

[lofty prairie]

Ik but still it wouldve imo looked cooler if the western BoS still used T51 while eastern used t60

Wouldve shown they haven’t adapted and still use the armour that their founder used

[orchid lake]

Well I'm guessing we'll eventually see the T-51 probably next season, as we just got the T-45 this season

[lofty prairie]

Ye

Tbh when Quintius said Roger I was like oh no, dont butcher/alter the founding of the BoS. I genuinely thought if they did this it would cause a mob to form.

but he didn’t alter anything just referenced mariposas experiments

[orchid lake]

And he also referenced rebelling against the government, not the country, hint towards the Enclave perhaps?

[lofty prairie]

That Roger Maxson line was actually chilling tho.

[lofty prairie]

Thats what I thought aswell. Hinting at the early stages of the BoS hatred towards enclave

It was interesting he didn’t say god vs America. Only god vs government.

[orchid lake]

That was very much on purpose

[lofty prairie]

I think the choice of words there was intentional

It has to be, theres also other little hints from episode one to 3 atm where im convinced the enclave is gonna show up

[orchid lake]

Plus now it seems like the BoS actually views themselves as Americans as they constantly refer to "our/their country" and the one elder said something about being "unamerican"

[lofty prairie]

Im fully convinced it was the enclave that blew up shady sands, as payback to them blowing up Navarro and the oil rig

[orchid lake]

Plus the Star Spangled Banner played when Xander was wrecking that securitron

[orchid lake]

Would be a good twist

[lofty prairie]

Yeah. If not this season they are def hinting at a large return/maybe entire wasteland take over of the Enclave

Cuz this whole season seems to be about America and the old world ideals threading humanity once again.

[orchid lake]

Plus the BoS are apparently losing against something on the East Coast, I wonder who that could possibly be...

[steep raven]

the Minutemenclave

[lofty prairie]

Could be enclave but I think for the sake of narrative it could be a new enemy

[orchid lake]

Eh it's either the MM or Enclave

[lofty prairie]

lol

[lofty prairie]

I think if the BoS ending was cannon (Most likely is) then the Minutemen would get dampened down pretty quick

[orchid lake]

Which is why I think it's the Enclave

[lofty prairie]

Also the mind controls things seem heavily similar to encalve trying to mind control deathclaws. If I remember the mind control experiment failed on humans but succeeded in animals.

That’s why we had sophisticated British deathclaws in FO2

[orchid lake]

Yeah, and with all the teasing of old world ideals and more Pre War scenes with the US army and Marines and references and direct mentions of America like when Lucy mentions it to the Legion and all that, the Enclave are definitely returning

[lofty prairie]

Yeah I mean it’s not 100% but they are doing deliberate hints at something so im excited

Maybe it’s sorta a new version of the enclave one bigger more powerful

[orchid lake]

I'm betting they're setting up a resurgent Enclave vs resurgent NCR plotline, basically the worst of what can come out of Old World Blues vs the best that can come out of it

The ideals of America vs it's government

[lofty prairie]

Yeah thats what Ive been getting the vibe off. America is important but in this season and this episode specifically they are heavily themed on old world ideals. Maybe we could see a potential NCR/BoS/Legion team up to take down what is essentially the old world ideals. Idk how that would work each hate each other but if the enclave theory is true idk who going to stop them.

[cunning rock]

Robert House developed the mind control device seen on the caravaner seen delivering the bomb to Shady Sands and Hank was shown trying to perfect it so I think it’s safe to assume Hank did it

[lofty prairie]

Especially if they have like XO3 power armour by now

[lofty prairie]

The theory goes the enclave was backing mr house and mind control technology

[cunning rock]

If so I’ve totally missed that

[orchid lake]

Still I'm intrigued to see how this will all play out

Plus I want to see Cooper's reaction to his old government returning

[cunning rock]

and I’ll have to rewatch e3, ||I think I saw X01 PA in the background of one scene||

[lofty prairie]

Yeah, again it’s just a theory so we could be well off but I just think all this reference to American government is hinting at something

[lofty prairie]

Yeah, he is 200 years old tho so hes probs seen/ heard about enclave before

Remember coops been a gunslinging ghoul as early a fallout 76

[spark nova]

Didn't the bounty from last season come down from the Enclave anyway?

[lofty prairie]

Pretty sure

Yeah

[spark nova]

Coop was willing to work with them, but not the Legion

[cunning rock]

Miami just went 2 td’s up on Ohio State

[orchid lake]

For sure

[orchid lake]

Still he may not have, or if he did he may not know who they are beyond their name

[orchid lake]

Because the Legion doesn't even have anything good or cool about them, at least the Enclave is the good old USA and have cool stuff

[lofty prairie]

Plus the enclave was basically guaranteed to give money. Bro legion wouldve shot him had he asked for bounties.

[orchid lake]

True

[lofty prairie]

I don’t think season one cooper cared about morals of the people he took money from as long as they paid

[spark nova]

I assume the enclave will come back into the story at some point given the diode was stolen from them

[orchid lake]

Plus all the hints

[lofty prairie]

Yep

Funnily enough the vaulttec logo for could fusion was owned by encalve why have a vaultec thing in enclave hands?

[orchid lake]

And I bet high command is FUMING right now

[orchid lake]

Well, VT was a front company, just one that ended up backstabbing them later

[lofty prairie]

Idk im not 100% sold yet but theres far to many hints to be ignored

[spark nova]

Vault-Tec bought out Moldaver IIRC

[lofty prairie]

Yeah

[orchid lake]

Nah I think she was a member of the Free States

[lofty prairie]

Pretty sure she was, but I was under the impression she was former vaulttec turned freestate

[orchid lake]

Very decent chance yeah

[lofty prairie]

Thats how she knew about their plans

[orchid lake]

I'm surprised she never once mentioned the Enclave or the government in general yet though

[lofty prairie]

Enclave was a shadow orginsation of the governments elites very few knew about them pre war. Infact the free states were the first to uncover clues about them.

But we’re ultimately shut down due to inciting hatred im pretty sure

[spark nova]

I'm very curious about House's want for the diode, reminds me of the platinum chip.

[orchid lake]

Yeah ik but she seems like the type to know

[cunning rock]

I thought she was corporate spy or investigative reporter in e1

[lofty prairie]

My only theory is that maybe after the fall of Hoover dam now with limited power to keep his life support on he needs infinite power to stay alive

[orchid lake]

Plus the congresswoman in the show referenced "this administration" and such which was such a dead giveaway and hint towards the Enclave

[lofty prairie]

Oh yeah probs

[lofty prairie]

Yeah

My theory is that the enclave will see this as a good time to wipe out their enemies seeing how majority of the factions are weak rn

[spark nova]

I hope they explain how the diode lets them make fusion cores, since fusion tech is basically fake outside of the diode I wonder if FCs are really fission cores?

[lofty prairie]

It recharges them

They are essentially tiny nuclear reactors it allows them to put extreme power back into a dead battery

[orchid lake]

Oh for sure, we're totally seeing the Enclave take advantage of this, only to probably be stopped by the NCR

Although the Enclave probably also will end up surviving so they can appear later on anyways

[wet knoll]

I want kura or goris to be the one in the previews

And if its goris its a prime opportunity to give a flashback to frank horrigan

[spark nova]

Ain't that Clawdius?

[orchid lake]

"Your ride's over mutie, time to die..."

[wet knoll]

Yes

Then they could introduce the enclave

[spark nova]

Glad the pre-war Deathclaw lore is being referenced

[wet knoll]

The little neck things are what they used on them right? Or am i thinking wrong

[orchid lake]

Nah they get a full helmet

[wet knoll]

I know they were in the big mt and it makes me think the dlc arnt really canon
Unless they run across the sierra madre empty

[wet knoll]

Ahhh ok gotcha

Im pissed about that car in area 51

[spark nova]

Give them jet to make people's heads explode

[orchid lake]

Me too

[celest fjord]

New episode out Alr

[orchid lake]

Yep

[wet knoll]

So what is the timeline? House used the chip courier left cesar lost brotherhood won the commonwealth and bro stayed in the institute after shawn died?

[spark nova]

House or Yes Man to get the Securitron Mk IIs