#fallout-tv-series

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torpid ermine
cunning rock
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😊 can’t wait to watch

red forge
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It was a seasonal flavour teaser leading into season 2.

cunning rock
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Didn’t look in the Fallout locker cause I can’t watch now, catch you later

nimble pike
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Still doing some mess even almost dead
This Vault boy is a Plague VaultBoyConfused

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Strange... House would let someone else playing his rôle during important réunions like the one with Vaul-tec ?

hollow oasis
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LMAO. ||I love the star spangled banner remix they made||

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yeah, because people apparently think one MC can change the tides of battle realistically?

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they might help significantly, more so for gameplay purposes, but they cannot singlehandedly fix everybodies problems realistically.

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The show really shows what the wasteland is really like, outside of gameplay influenced choices

nimble pike
red forge
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She's naive based on her upbringing.

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She was raised to be a leader, not a survivalist.

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That's why she keeps trying diplomacy.

hollow oasis
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Yes and thats what the player is every game is, a leader. Someone who is always using charisma to get things done the right way or in their favor.

granite lark
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There is something i don't get it, why the Brotherhood in episode 3 need to push God as the major christian reason for their identity? Doesn't make sense

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the BoS is obsessed by collecting the technology to avoid could fall in the wrong hands

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it was never about jesus and god

hollow oasis
red forge
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Why do you think BoS have the cult mentality?

granite lark
hollow oasis
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No?

granite lark
hollow oasis
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They literally said ||He had to choose between God (Morality), or his Government (Progress)||

red forge
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It's about cultural attitude.

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How one treats its members.

granite lark
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pretty much

hollow oasis
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||The bos, still has morals to this day, however, its more refined and they no longer see morality as a whole anymore, just what fits the codex||

woven scaffold
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Quintus is lying about Roger Maxson to push his own religious version of the Brotherhood. Maxson wasn’t motivated by religion, he was for the people not for God, and like Yosemite says, her chapter doesn’t buy into the religious stuff.

granite lark
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i can see a tentative to be a christian chapter 😂

hollow oasis
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||Yes thats the reality of it, im explaining what the story Quintus is trying to push||

granite lark
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i feel we could have a better explain for christian bos if there was some lore behind

abstract sleet
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40K Fallout 😛 (in regards to a Christian BOS)

granite lark
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sure we got the hints on season 1 but still could have a better explanation

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indeed

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but i admit, i wonder why we didn't have new factions in power armor that is'nt the BoS?

red forge
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Power armour is synonymous with BoS.

hollow oasis
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The ghoul is a elite troll. ||Revealed the location of the NCR camp to the legion, only to make them kill each other so theres very little if any numbers left to go after the 2 ncr, giving the tiny ncr camp a chance||

granite lark
hollow oasis
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absolutely diabolical

red forge
granite lark
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so mr. House...|| is dead?||

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why they did this?

red forge
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So far ||he's understood to have won.||

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This is based on ||the first trailer when Cooper was human, then the 2nd trailer when Cooper is ghoulified.||

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So far, ||all moments we've seen of House, are when Cooper was human.||

abstract sleet
granite lark
abstract sleet
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Oh. 🤨

red forge
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Which moment?

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There are 2 so far where a different actor is shown. Someone here came up with the theory it could be his half-brother mind-controlled.

granite lark
red forge
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Which episode?

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Are you talking the 1st ep? with that bar scene?

red forge
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In "The Innovator", the actor for House is credited to the same guy who was in the round table meeting in "The Beginning".
This is the "House" who might be a/the body double.

granite lark
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even so, i'm quite tired of the cliché of body double used in curent media

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all i see is the assassination of the character

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this series simply reboot mr. house

red forge
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Don't mistaken a possible plot-based body doubles for simply actors being replaced.

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We don't yet know for certain why there's 2 people in the same role at the same time chronologically.

granite lark
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nah, is just the body double chiché is something utterly abused in comics

red forge
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Well... you can believe what you want. Point being is we don't yet know.

granite lark
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||house is dead but there was no mention of the fusion, just the platinum chip.||

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will the serie explain this retcon or not?

red forge
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Suppose we'll find out.

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All we can do is speculate for now.

granite lark
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||i'm just disappoint they killed House, as a fan of him|| i was hoping to see more of his work but now? What's next? More destruct and the death of beloved characters and faction for the sake of more brotherhood and vault tec nonsense?

red forge
granite lark
hollow oasis
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ahem

granite lark
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Also fun fact, in the italian voice dub, Victor is dubbed by the same voice actor of Peter Griffin and he also voice Mr. House in Fallout New Vegas

red forge
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Seth McFarlane?

granite lark
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no? i said italian voice dub

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in any case, the character in episode 1 and episode 3, is named Errol

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that's the name of Mr. House body double

red forge
granite lark
red forge
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Not everything can be 1:1 translated between languages while retaining intent/context.

granite lark
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all i can say for now is just disappoint. And i'm not even surprise if they blow up New Vegas because "reasons"

red forge
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Well, you can think that. In the meantime, wait and see what else is to come.

granite lark
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no big surprise if the flame and the toxicity explode in the web again

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the risk is fans of new vegas will consider the tv series not canon

red forge
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Just don't read those things.

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Leave it on reddit and wherever else.

granite lark
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just reddit? Youtube, X, instagram and tik tok

red forge
red forge
granite lark
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fallout is just facting what star wars did

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the risk is a franchise in decline

red forge
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Bethesda have said that the TV show is canon.

granite lark
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if this is about by chasing the modern audience, we all know what happened to other franchise

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death of the franchise

red forge
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In comparison to Star Wars, the existence of the sequel trilogy cancelled out all the sequel novels of the original trilogy.

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That upset many people who read the Thrawn novels and such.

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But Bethesda is not doing that.

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The games have multiple endings. The TV show can only have 1, by its nature.

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We don't yet live in a society where TV and movies can give you a "choose your own adventure".

granite lark
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more like pick the reasonable one, i'm not saying "good vs bad". For many House was the best choice because he didn't care about the world, just science, progress and technology

red forge
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People will get upset because their particular choice of ending might not be canon. That's unavoidable.

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We just need to wait and see how the show plays out.

granite lark
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And for what? By living with the excuse "but fallout is about post apocalypse survivors". By what? Living like hobos in a mad max stereotype with low IQ? No, is about societies making progress, survive, adapt and prosper

red forge
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"Everyone wants to save the world, they just disagree on how"

abstract sleet
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Some disagree... violently.

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Most of the time, it's struggling together

red forge
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Well without society, you either get the folk who can maintain civility, and those who degrade into savages, because they were only civil because laws required them to comply.

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Those maintaining it generally become survivalists.

abstract sleet
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Whatever happens, a community or two is required

granite lark
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Is the fact was is part of human nature and war will return

abstract sleet
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Cooperation matters a lot even in the worst contexts

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And yes I do mean while in war

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I think human nature is an elastic, complex and curious thing

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The flipside of war is peace and peace is made depending on the outcome of war. Peace, peace never changes either.

granite lark
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Whatever happens, it doesn't matter, is all about the Brotherhood of Steel, they are the poster boys

wet knoll
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If maximus is a decendant of the ghoul ill be upset. Thats so cliched

red forge
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I highly doubt it.

wet knoll
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Cause thats what im getting so far since everyone seems connected

red forge
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... it's taken me a few moments to realise the connection you're making.

wet knoll
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Right?

red forge
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Need to check what names Maximus's parents were given.

wet knoll
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Watch it be max cooper

red forge
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His parents are named Joseph and Julia.

wet knoll
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It has been 200 years

red forge
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Yes but neither he or we know what happened to his wife and kid.

wet knoll
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Yeah thats why im thinking its gona be like that

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I hope not thats too obvious

red forge
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It's an interesting theory, I'll give you that.

storm grove
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why is BoS prattling about god

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also i really dislike how lucy and caesars legion stuff played out, feels like a joke

woven scaffold
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Enjoying a snack after a quick crucifixion.

tidal tendon
vivid meadow
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Kumail nanjiani’s character has an indian accent, but like how did he acquire it

storm grove
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why would the two caesars be in vegas still? hasnt it been many years?

storm grove
vivid meadow
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Tbh theres a lot of characters in fallout with accents

storm grove
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oh yeah there were irish people in fo3 some..how..

red forge
vivid meadow
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But then fallout never expands on if they got those accents from traveling continents or from growing up in isolated communities with accents

storm grove
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i dont think kumail fits into this, but i do think theyre trying to make east and west coast more connected at least

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could be that bethesda wants there to be contact with other countries idk

vivid meadow
red forge
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There's a Russian in FO76 too.

storm grove
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i mean Raul is from mexico but thats nearby to vegas

vivid meadow
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He could be from india, the brotherhood has aerial vehicles and they rename their members

storm grove
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Or his parents or something

red forge
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There's a "Singh" family in prewar Appalachia, who are a major subject of FO76.

storm grove
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family names are a bit dodgier tho, cuz it could just be ppl who had migrant ancestors before the war

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an accent stands out in the "present day" in fallout because it implies these people came from abroad

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well, a foreign accent that is

abstract sleet
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Do planes come over by in the wasteland at that time?

vivid meadow
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Still, accents are formed when you learn to speak, unless he grew up isolated with only other people with that accent you should have a standard american accent like the rest of the wasteland

storm grove
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oh yeah totally

storm grove
abstract sleet
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Huh!

storm grove
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as for vertibirds they wouldnt be capable to fly that far away

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there were no planes post war that is, they existed pre war

abstract sleet
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Ah okay good to know

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I was thinking of the Lake Mead plane when I asked that question

storm grove
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yeah that was a pre war plane sunk in the lake

red forge
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The other elders didn't seem to exhibit much of american accents themselves.

abstract sleet
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Pre War but worth asking around

red forge
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At least 2 of them didn't.

storm grove
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its a good catch tho, that also means the boomers were able to repair a plane at least

abstract sleet
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Cos if planes existed, it would mean that a lot more people could have gotten around as migrants

storm grove
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maybe they could also get around on ships too

vivid meadow
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Maximus is lowkey the type of player who sides with whoever gets him the best quest rewards

storm grove
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thatd make migrants rare-ish tho since sailing probably sucked (which they are tbf)

abstract sleet
red forge
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Sisa Grey, who plays the lady elder, is Samoan. She did not give any form of an American accent.

vivid meadow
abstract sleet
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And dirigibles if I remember correctly

storm grove
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those are supposedly post war tech and very restricted to the military factions (enclave and BoS so far)

vivid meadow
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Question is why would anyone want to come to area zero of nuclear activity instead of staying in england

storm grove
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well my headcanon is that the world sucks everywhere lol

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environment wise

vivid meadow
storm grove
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oh, now that u mention it the institute had teleportation lol

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maybe there are other crazy high tech groups around the world too

vivid meadow
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Why is dogmeats actor called lana 5

red forge
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It's the name of the dog.

storm grove
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that's Ms. Lana the Fifth, queen of Barktopia

vivid meadow
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What happened to lana 1-4

red forge
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¯_(ツ)_/¯

sand grove
storm grove
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they went to puppy heaven

abstract sleet
red forge
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From nukapedia:
Three dogs are known to have portrayed CX404: Lana 5 (from Anchor Pet Supply),[3] Nunaya Business de la Forge, and Gotcha de la Forge (both from La Forge Malinois).

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Would be hard-pressed to selectively breed a single litter for 1 role.

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And not all pups in the same litter turn out the same.

storm grove
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was that literally claptrap in the last episode

coarse vigil
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🤧 a good end to fnv but a depresing day for legion fan

woven scaffold
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The Legion has fans?

red forge
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Why wouldn't they?

woven scaffold
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Because all my homies rep the Roman Republic, we don’t follow no Caesars.

red forge
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You mean ||Kaisers||? 🤣

woven scaffold
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The Römisches Reich?!

minor lark
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Was cool to see Victor. And teasing Primm in the background was nice. Great episode for those of us lore seekers.

storm grove
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i kinda hated it

minor lark
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Im sorry

woven scaffold
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The full facility of HELIOS One was also in the background.

storm grove
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here we go again
the BoS seems fine but it feels like the show kind of took a dump on everything new vegas

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i mean, not that the bos is good but it still exists

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why set the show in new vegas only to destroy everything from that game for no reason?

tawny sage
storm grove
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thats would be an incredibly stupid reason

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it actually just comes across as getting rid of all the west coast lore because Bethesda didn't like it

storm grove
tawny sage
storm grove
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well, we've yet to see vegas itself

tawny sage
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wether it's House or Yes Man is up in the air

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But from the looks of the teasers Vegas got ravaged

red forge
woven scaffold
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The Strip looks abandoned but Freeside looks super prosperous. So I’m thinking Independent ending.

storm grove
red forge
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Please tell us. Getting tired of people complaining.

storm grove
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well you're not speaking for everyone obviously, in case u think so

red forge
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No but just getting tired of it in general.

storm grove
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idk who "us" is

tidal tendon
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Let's keep it respectful please

tawny sage
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NCR is still intact just not in that region

storm grove
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ON VEGAS, but the show seems to have destroyed both the legion and the NCR everywhere else

vivid meadow
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No norm plot today 😔

storm grove
woven scaffold
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The Ghoul is wrong.

storm grove
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they were literally 2 people

vivid meadow
vivid meadow
storm grove
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sure lol

woven scaffold
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NCR not being there. He’s just being pessimistic because he has no hope. But he found it again by the end of the episode.

We know from the trailers that the battalion nearby are real and will engage in large scale battle at some point later.

vivid meadow
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The brotherhood defeated the remaining ncr in season 1

red forge
storm grove
vivid meadow
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Atleast he blew up the legion base instead of just helping them

red forge
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But why would the legion then prepare for war against a whole 2 people?

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That's a job for an assassin.

storm grove
tawny sage
red forge
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As far as I'm concerned, The Ghoul is not speaking whole truths.

vivid meadow
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I want to see maximus reform the brotherhood

storm grove
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they wanted to get the credits for killing the last of the NCR thats all

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as victor said, they're "like cats and dogs" or whatever

vivid meadow
woven scaffold
minor lark
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Everyone losing at the Dam makes a ton of sense with all the storyline we're given in game in NV.

storm grove
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I will concede that he may be wrong and the NCR is bigger than theyve shown so far

vivid meadow
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The ghoulphobia in the brotherhood doesnt even make sense

red forge
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The Ghoul didn't suggest numbers, only that a group of their enemy exists.

red forge
tawny sage
vivid meadow
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The brotherhood is basically like the stormcloaks, the group is too cool so to make the choice harder just sprinkle in some rac*sm

storm grove
vivid meadow
red forge
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FO4 BoS don't like synths.

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If you're not flesh and blood human, you're not worthy of remaining alive.

vivid meadow
tawny sage
red forge
minor lark
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Didn't the BOS take pot shots at non ferals in Fo3? This isnt new for the group.

vivid meadow
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I just remembered that ghoul kids don’t grow up. Those kids in the factory are gonna be stuck titus forever and watch the smoothskins grow up without them.

woven scaffold
storm grove
tawny sage
storm grove
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maybe they could have harrassed them verbally or smth

minor lark
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Thats not at all true. The BOS has always been anti ghoul in the game series

woven scaffold
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They shot warning shots at them to keep them away from their position at the Washington Monument, never actually hit any.

storm grove
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well define anti ghoul, because sluaghtering ghoulified kids and not helping ghouls are kind of different

tawny sage
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BoS has always been more or less a less extreme Enclave
Just in 3 they were under Lyons who was less extreme

minor lark
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In 4 we're sent to clear places out of them. 3 they are seen as a danger or worse. We've never seen a ghoul member of the BOS. I dont think a single chapter has said something positive about them.

storm grove
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i think the chapter in fo76 lets mutants join them or something

red forge
storm grove
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i havent actually played that game tho, i could have misunderstood

vivid meadow
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Pretty sure its only the east coast chapters that have the ghoulphobia

woven scaffold
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76 is hostile to ghouls, but lets you in with mutation serums but they’re barely a lore thing.

tawny sage
red forge
tawny sage
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but also 76 is much like Tactics in the fact it's only Semi-Canon

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so for all we know that chapter of the Brotherhood never existed

woven scaffold
tawny sage
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The Enclave in 76 accepts mutations so it almost certainly is a gameplay thing

minor lark
woven scaffold
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There’s nothing to indicate 76 is semi canon, it’s fully canon in terms of its narrative.

vivid meadow
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Do ghoul children actually not grow up or is billy just an outlier?

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Cause billy also shouldve turned feral if he spent 200 years in a fridge

storm grove
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i have no idea

tawny sage
woven scaffold
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I think ghoul children don’t grow up.

storm grove
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im not sure if theres any lore about ghouls growing up besides billy existing

red forge
vivid meadow
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I think typhon in fallout 1 and 2 ages normally

tawny sage
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There is so much conflicting info on Ghouls

red forge
storm grove
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on one of his videos tim caine says that mutations are supposed to be weird and ghoul isnt necessarily one thing

vivid meadow
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Billy is probably just an outlier or not canon

grand hamlet
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I wasn't really surprised at Xander's reaction, it's pretty BOS-friendly. What it shows is that neither Quintus's chapter or Maxson's are right. Both are zealots.

storm grove
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i think it could be a way to think about it, maybe its individual to each ghoul or something lol

tawny sage
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One of the bigger plotholes to me is this
How did Vault 31 not know about Vault 76?

vivid meadow
storm grove
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maybe individual vault tec employees didnt have access to what was going on in every vault

tawny sage
red forge
vivid meadow
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They were all just middle management being given jobs by buck. Hank was barbs assistant, not a top exec shot caller

red forge
tawny sage
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Classic vault tec wasting taxpayer money

storm grove
grand hamlet
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Good kid

vivid meadow
storm grove
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31 to 33 being pointless too was also a big, well, point in the show too

vivid meadow
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How would a bunch of office workers reclaim the wasteland 😭 s

grand hamlet
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Yes, reclaim the world was just a catchphrase

tawny sage
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What's the connection between House and the Enclave?

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because it looks like one is being implied

storm grove
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lucy even gets shook when she find sout the wasteland is already inhabited, so reclamation didn't make sense anymore to her

vivid meadow
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None of them ever questioned why all their leaders were from vault 31, or why they couldn’t visit eachothers vaults

red forge
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33 is 31's control vault. 33 was made out so they cannot know what 31 is or who is in it.

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That's why so far only Norm has discovered the truth.

grand hamlet
red forge
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And we still don't yet know what happened with 32.

red forge
vivid meadow
vivid meadow
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Actually they probably killed themselves

grand hamlet
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Maybe some escaped

vivid meadow
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Cause otherwise the wedding wouldn’t have happened if hank knew they were dead

red forge
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Yeah was just thinking that.

storm grove
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weirdly enough i had gotten the sense that they were eating each other, but i don't remember if it was confirmed

red forge
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Forgot about that rule...

grand hamlet
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I'm actually not against a civil war in the BOS, let the most extremists take each other out

vivid meadow
tawny sage
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I wonder what's going on with the Minutemen

vivid meadow
tawny sage
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Did they implode again or are they still doing their thing?

grand hamlet
vivid meadow
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What if titus keeps his intelligence and becomes the next frank horrigan

minor lark
tawny sage
red forge
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Don't FEV testing require living subjects?

vivid meadow
tawny sage
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Honestly I hope we get to see Power Armor troopers from the Enclave as clearly they're still around

storm grove
grand hamlet
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I love how the Legion's remnants are ridiculed. But I hope we'll see Culkin again.

vivid meadow
tawny sage
grand hamlet
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And I liked the way they entertained Maximus joining Xander just to end up this way

vivid meadow
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The mouth could just be a scar with some broken bone in

storm grove
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yeah i dont think hes a centaur but definitely got fed some FEV

tawny sage
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Could be a strain of FEV we haven't seen yet

vivid meadow
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He could also just be a unique type of mutant

tawny sage
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I looked at the credits for the show, they're still hiding Mr Home Alone's character name

foggy garden
red forge
nimble pike
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What happened there ? Maybe he's lying or maybe that he says that because the minutemens won and the BOS wants to take over
Some BOS member actually says that they dont like the fact that the minutemens have so much power

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Unfortunatly we might never know what happened because Harkness is dead and a civil war is about to come

nimble pike
plush quest
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||It seems like the Commonwealth might not have Liberty Prime. Or whatever they’re up against was able to defeat it||

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||Also Harkness sucks at fighting. I don’t think he got a single hit on the Securitron with his super sledge ||

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They’re not really known for their evasive skills

red forge
rain matrix
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Home alone looks a little different

nimble pike
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The only skill member of the entire Brotherhood seems to be Maximus 😂

rain matrix
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Must have been the directors cut or something

plush quest
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Culkin looks too clean cut to be a Legionary imo

red forge
plush quest
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||If he’s sandwiched between two legion, does that make it a Kaiser bun?||

rain matrix
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He went from setting traps for burglars to ||crucifying people|| 🤣

plush quest
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Was really hoping for a lengthy JK Simmons monologue

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Theory: ||The Minutemen ending is canon and the Commonwealth BoS wasn’t able to obtain the Beryllium Agitator to power Liberty Prime, which is why they need Cold Fusion ||

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Kind of disappointed Maximus ||got a new suit. The yao guai claw marks were pretty badass||

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||But hey it has Motion Assist Servos. ||So hot dog I guess

vale girder
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What an episode!!! War! War! War! War!

plush quest
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RIP ||Harkness (ep 2-ep3)||

mighty geyser
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|| test ||

abstract sleet
mighty geyser
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Ok so SPOILERS for ep 3 ending but I gotta rant about this: || why the hell does Xander choose to kill the ghoul children and claim it’s apart of the codex when in every game since the brotherhoods inception, the brotherhood openly is disgusted by ghouls but don’t exterminate them every time we see them, like fallout 4, you bring Hancock on the prydwen and they don’t open fire on sight, they just show disgust, so it kind of annoys me they’d just throw away that lore, ||

||This basically just shows the brotherhood is the exact same as the enclave on morals…||

tawny sage
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||I like how they implied House doesn't really vibe with Vault Tec from the Veterans' Hall flashback||

mighty geyser
plush quest
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||House never really vibed with Vault Tec at all. He just works with them because it’s beneficial to his goals||

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||Likely the same with the Enclave||

plush quest
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It could just be better organized and better trained than the rest of the chapters

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Or just have much larger numbers, considering it seems like the Capital Wasteland chapter was folded into the Commonwealth chapter

mighty geyser
plush quest
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Yeah I don’t think their power comes from Liberty Prime at all. Just their large numbers, a stocked armory, and better training

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They are able to manufacture T-60 suits after all. ||Likely why Harkness is able to afford a spare||

mighty geyser
mighty geyser
plush quest
abstract pagoda
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The show clearly wants us to hate them,
And yeah, I do. A lot.
What a waste of a faction. 🤷‍♂️

plush quest
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||Harkness represents someone who fully on board with the BoS’s mission. Like a lot. So he may have a more extreme interpretation of the Codex||

mighty geyser
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Like the tv series had us for a moment on pushing the brotherhood as|| “the good guys” when in fact if what is to be interpreted from the show, the brotherhood isn’t any better than the enclave…||

plush quest
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Like he really enjoys the search and destroy missions

abstract pagoda
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At least the Enclave you can kind of take seriously.

mighty geyser
plush quest
abstract pagoda
minor lark
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Wonder if we'll see the Followers at the Fort

mighty geyser
plush quest
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Even in season one they weren’t really portrayed as all good. Give Titus’s actions and demeanor

abstract sleet
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Love the Followers

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They do good

plush quest
mighty geyser
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||Harkness likely did his own “interpretation” but instead of a Civil War it was more for killing muties. He’d do well in the Enclave||

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Gotta stop treating the BoS as a monolithic organization written in stone. We’ve seen in every game that individual chapters and members twist the original ideals to suit their goals

abstract pagoda
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||I would've been satisfied if Xander treated them like a nuisance, shoo'd them away, scared them, etc.
Y'know, acted like a bit of a jerk to get them out of the way.
But the fact that he found them, then immediately rounded up the kids (Only like a handful of which were actually ghouls) to systematically execute them while being grossly cheery about it is just... Stupidly evil.||
The writers really bought into the fan narrative around the Brotherhood after 4.

mighty geyser
abstract pagoda
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The show isn't giving us different takes on the Brotherhood, they're all different flavors of deplorable.

plush quest
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It’s been 10 years since Fallout 4, their ghoul policy might change. Especially after what happens underneath the Boston Airport

abstract pagoda
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It sure can change, but I can also think that's a dumb thing to write.

mighty geyser
plush quest
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We don’t know how the Sole Survivor handled the whole Ghoul infestation in the Boston Airport

mighty geyser
abstract pagoda
mighty geyser
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I feel better about supporting || the enclave right about now after this episode, our faction clearly isn’t the only ones not opposed to exterminating abominations||

gray turret
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Yo does anyone know if we're going to see Joshua in the TV show?

plush quest
abstract pagoda
plush quest
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Sure in the games they don’t outright shoot at them, but almost all BoS members display disdain for them

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It isn’t out of the realm of possibility that some extremely fanatic members may not follow the no-kill order when unsupervised

abstract pagoda
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Like, ||Xander threatening the kids, scaring them - Even forcing them out of the way? Totally fine||
||Smiling and laughing about executing a dozen children for no reason isn't defensible writing.||

plush quest
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||And Harkness sure does love killing things and is happy to do it||

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||I said it earlier, but Harkness would do well in the Enclave||

abstract pagoda
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||He'd do well in the dirt, good job Maximus.||

plush quest
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||Kinda bunk that he got one-shot by a super sledge. Those things aren’t all that powerful in-game||

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||Try ones hitting a Paladin in game with one of those. You’d need food buffs and chems to accomplish that||

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||For all we know he’s not dead and only concussed. Although that was a pretty big dent in his helmet||

mighty geyser
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I honestly pray we get to see the ||commonwealth come out on top||, i absolutely despise quintus’s chapter

plush quest
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I doubt we’ll see the Commonwealth in full force.|| It seems like they’re busy handling something big on the east coast which is why Quintus thought it was a good time to revolt.||

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That plus the acquisition of Cold Fusion

abstract pagoda
plush quest
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They only sent one guy to deal de-escalate a Civil War

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I think there’s a lot of nuance in the TV shows depiction of the BoS but people keep comparing them to the BoS in their heads

mighty geyser
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Hopefully they bring the enclave back in some sort of force to take advantage of the brotherhoods issues, especially since ||the ncr is basically cooked||

I mean the enclave has an entire research colony working and running with logistics which means that research colony is getting orders from some sort of command structure

plush quest
abstract pagoda
plush quest
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I haven’t seen anything negative from the Yosemite chapter other than their willingness to revolt

abstract pagoda
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Corrupt, she immediately takes a bribe to sell out the Brotherhood

plush quest
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That’s nuance

mighty geyser
abstract pagoda
plush quest
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Nuance isn’t supposed to be easily noticed. You’re supposed to read between the lines

abstract pagoda
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Nah. That's nonsense.

plush quest
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People want nuance but don’t actually know what it is lol

abstract pagoda
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I asked you what you found nuanced about them.

plush quest
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I told you but you disagreed. Not much changing about that

abstract pagoda
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You gave me one chapter that immediately removed itself from the story?

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Even if I were to cosign your appraisal of the Yosemite chapter.

plush quest
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We have a definitional misunderstanding which we won’t get pass until we agree what “nuance” actually is

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What do you consider nuance? Using examples from BoS past

abstract pagoda
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Doing things for rational, realistic reasons.

mighty geyser
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||Each of these chapters seem to be too small to even do anything against the commonwealth anyways, that’s why they are looking to work together im guessing, kind of the reason why we have probably never heard of these chapters||

plush quest
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That’s literally not what nuance means

abstract pagoda
plush quest
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I’m waiting for your examples

mighty geyser
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Nuance: a subtle difference in or shade of meaning, expression, or sound.

  • Oxford languages
plush quest
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subtle being the key word here

abstract pagoda
# plush quest I’m waiting for your examples

The Brotherhood having a greater mission of protecting humanity from rogue technology while at the same time having a borderline disdainful view of the world and the people they're meant to be protecting, almost viewing them as uneducated infants.

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Nuance is literally about showing multiple sides of something or someone.

plush quest
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And I’m arguing that they are showing multiple sides of the west coast chapters

abstract pagoda
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With the Yosemite chapter?
Not enough, not nearly enough.

vale girder
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RIP to the sweet prince his life was short lived

plush quest
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The Yosemite was on board one second and not the next. That displays nuance in her decision making

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A small subtle difference in the situation caused her to change her mind about rebelling

abstract pagoda
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plush quest
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She’s literally 1/3 of the support Quintus needs to enact his Civil War

abstract pagoda
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If you show me a faction, then show me 99% of that faction are cartoonish asshats - I'm going to call out the 99%. Not the 1% of Dane, Maximus and the Yosemite leader.

plush quest
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Her willingness to go along with it is integral to how that storyline plays out

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You’re arguments display a lack of nuance in your understanding imo

abstract pagoda
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It's a TV show, mate.

plush quest
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You aren’t going to find nuance because you aren’t willing to look for it

abstract pagoda
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Don't make it personal.

plush quest
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I’m not attacking your character, just your arguments. It’s not personal

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We’re both just fans discussing the show/games. I didn’t bring up anything other than that

abstract pagoda
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If you show me a faction, then show me 99% of that faction are cartoonish, evil asshats - I'm going to call out the 99%. Not the 1% of Dane, Maximus and the Yosemite leader.

If we wanna get back on track.

plush quest
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But that 1% IS the nuance that you say is missing

abstract pagoda
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Three people acting rationally /against/ the faction from within does not paint the faction as nuanced. It paints those three people as sensible because they're against something no obviously nonsensical and lacking nuance.

plush quest
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I wouldn’t even say 99% of the BoS in the show are cartoonishly evil. Lots of background members seem to be just doing their job. It’s really only been Quintus, Harkness, and the Coronado elder

mighty geyser
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I honestly don’t think|| Xander is dead..||

abstract pagoda
plush quest
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Media literacy is dead

abstract pagoda
woven scaffold
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I think he is dead and ||Thaddeus is going to take his PA and pretend to be him for as long as possible, getting up to funny hijinks and acting weird until he’s found out and has to run.||

mighty geyser
vale girder
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What’s up with all the factions being goofballs in the TV show though?

abstract pagoda
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The NCR and Legion seem to be characterized okay

vale girder
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They’re all a bunch of silly goobers

plush quest
mighty geyser
abstract pagoda
vale girder
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When that legate took off his helmet and it was THAT guy I liked it. But like…. Can one of the factions be a little bit serious? Ack ack ack

plush quest
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And your argument earlier was that we should judge the BoS as a wider organization following every rule of the codex when that’s simply not that case

abstract pagoda
plush quest
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Yeah probably

mighty geyser
plush quest
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And we’ve seen in literally every iteration of the BoS since that the Codex changes and changes often

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Depending on who’s leading their chapter

abstract pagoda
plush quest
mighty geyser
vale girder
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I think Sarah Lyon’s is going to come back

mighty geyser
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Lyons simply threw the codex out the window so to speak

mighty geyser
plush quest
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We don’t even have a full Codex to read through, so it only exists as a narrative device to break as it is

mighty geyser
plush quest
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How do you think Lyon’s was raised?

plush quest
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I’m not too well versed in 3 lore so idk. How was Lyon’s raised?

mighty geyser
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Like I’m pretty sure getting to the rank of paladin is extremely difficult and only for the best of The brotherhood, and Lyons was trained on the codex but the west coast was sick of his meddling in the council of elders so they sent him on an expedition to the east where over time he decided to just do his own thing and that’s when the west coast was pissed

bronze horizon
plush quest
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Perhaps they sent Harkness out west where he decided to do his own thing as well

mighty geyser
plush quest
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And the east coast chapter would be pissed if they found out

bronze horizon
plush quest
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Just because we see one guy doing it doesn’t mean the whole Commonwealth approves it

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And we’ve seen Paladins break from the Codex. Danse does it all the time, however begrudgingly he goes along with it

mighty geyser
plush quest
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They’ll probably not address it all and never actually tell us what the Codex actually is

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Like they’ve been doing for 25+ years

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Harkness is an especially bloodthirsty member from what we’ve seen so far. He takes a lot of joy in killing what he considers abominations which is probably why he climbed to the rank of Paladin

mighty geyser
# bronze horizon I was talking about them being serious

When you look back at it, there’s no comedy In the enclaves time on screen, it has a very serious tone as they are doing experiments and wilzig decides to go rogue, a little while after a enclave administrator finds out what he’s planning and his dog kills that administrator after he sounded the alarm, nothing about that scene was really funny or unserious, it really did seem serious

abstract pagoda
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Not really liking how much of a 'boy's club' they're making the Brotherhood out to be either.
That's just straight up not what the Brotherhood is.

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Not what it's ever been

mighty geyser
abstract pagoda
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The two speaking characters that aren't traditionally male / masculine being pitted against the faction is kind of a death knell

plush quest
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They were dohchey frat bros about it

vale girder
mighty geyser
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The music when the Brotherhood comes up slaps everytime though

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I love their theme song in the show

abstract pagoda
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@plush quest
That's more of a disdain for wastelanders than the kind of 'Boy's club' styling that I'm talking about.
I think I've seen maybe one female background character in the Brotherhood across both seasons so far.
And every speaking male character seems to be all in on this moronic, frat bro, hyper aggressive vision of the Brotherhood while every non traditional / non male speaking character seems to be against it.

tidal moat
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New episode is out

plush quest
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I think Quintus’s chapter is unique in that they force every member to be masc presenting. There are actually a lot of female members in the background but you don’t notice them because they’re all styled to look more like boys

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It goes along with the whole historic medieval religious knight order thing he has going on

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The Yosemite chapter has a female leader

abstract pagoda
bronze horizon
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Hell, the 'fight pit' scene doesn't even deign to put the Yosemite leader in the shot of the Chapter Elders enjoying the fight.
She's left out.

plush quest
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“Everything” being the one decision of whether or not to revolt?

abstract pagoda
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Everything being everything the Brotherhood is doing.

plush quest
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We literally do not know anything about her chapter other than that they can’t decide whether to go to war

abstract pagoda
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And we won't know anything about her chapter beyond that either.

plush quest
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So it’s not “everything”

abstract pagoda
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Yes, yes it is

plush quest
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I don’t understand your logic man…

abstract pagoda
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I don't want to bring up the Schindler example again...

vale girder
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My favourite character in the show is Maximus everyone, I have decided that going forward. Not the Ghoul, Not Lucy (But Lucy is second.) So we need to ensure Maximus survives until Season 16 (At the very least.)

plush quest
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Then don’t a pick up a better example

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Because I’m just not getting what you’re getting at

abstract pagoda
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You can't judge the veracity of a faction by those within that are opposed to it.

plush quest
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You totally can

abstract pagoda
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Schindler.

plush quest
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That literally happens in like 99% of media

abstract pagoda
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No, no it's not.

plush quest
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Someone in a story will have doubts about the people they work for so they do actions that go against their normal ideals

steep raven
abstract pagoda
plush quest
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I forget which section of the story circle it is, but reckoning with your elders is a key moment in every “hero” story

abstract pagoda
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The Yosemite leader /not/ being awful is more testament to me pointing out that this Brotherhood is a 'boy's club'

plush quest
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I’m saying it’s reasonable to judge a faction based off the opinions of people who are dissatisfied with it

abstract pagoda
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Since the only female leader is the only outlier.

plush quest
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The Grand Canyon chapter isn’t necessarily evil either. They just really love their robots

abstract pagoda
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They're idiotic, jocular morons who think with their privates, you mean? Very boys club.

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He laughs when the Coronado leader drops a C bomb on the Yosemite leader and he's smiling and laughing over the 'fight to the death' pit.

plush quest
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Going back to that argument, yes 3/4 of the West Coast chapters are boys clubs. To me that’s deliberate storytelling showcasing how far they’ve fallen since the BoS/NCR war

abstract pagoda
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That 3/4 chapters accounts for 99% of characters on screen.

plush quest
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I think your math is wrong

abstract pagoda
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With speaking roles.

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If you want to fanon that everyone else isn't a moron, be my guest.

plush quest
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We don’t even have 100 speaking characters. It’s no where close to what your feeling

abstract pagoda
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99% of speaking characters.

plush quest
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Again. The math is not lining up with your perception

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There’s been what like 10 speaking BoS characters? Maximus Dane and Harkness account for for 3 of them

abstract pagoda
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Harkness isn't free of the boys club accusations.

plush quest
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Quintus is less “one of the boys” and more of the dean of the college so to speak

abstract pagoda
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Maximus isn't really for most of the show thus far.

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Again, you're playing into semantics.

plush quest
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You’re misusing statistics

abstract pagoda
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You know exactly what I'm saying

plush quest
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The majority yes. But calling it 99% is disingenuous to the argument

abstract pagoda
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The lack of objection to the behavior going on in the chapters implies agreement with it
That would account for 99%

plush quest
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That’s a fallacy and you know it

abstract pagoda
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It's stronger evidence of support than non-support from random background actors.

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But it is a useless point to go over.

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Again, you know exactly what I'm saying.

plush quest
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There were way more backgrohnd actors actually examining and cataloguing Area 51 tech than destroying it

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But all everyone focuses on are the alien and the car

abstract pagoda
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That isn't the issue with that scene.

plush quest
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It goes against your argument

abstract pagoda
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If there were way more people voicing disagreement with destroying the car, that would go against my argument.

vale girder
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Hello sweet potato 😊

plush quest
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From what I’ve seen, that’s the main thing people point to when they say the BoS in the show are a bunch of moronic frat bros

abstract pagoda
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I've got a lot more to point to than that.

plush quest
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Ok. But you haven’t addressed the point that the BoS not 99% a boys club, given what we’ve seen in the show

vale girder
plush quest
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They just make efforts to highlight the parts that are

abstract pagoda
plush quest
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The multitude of scribes cataloguing the Area 51 tech that you refused to engage with??

abstract pagoda
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That isn't against the notion of the BoS being a boy's club.

plush quest
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Contrasted with the 2-4 knights we’ve seen in that scene who are being moronic idiots, it kind of is

abstract pagoda
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Do you think everyone in 'boy's club' organization acts the same way? That there is nobody in them doing actual work?

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'Doing your job' isn't against what a 'Boy's club' is.

vale girder
plush quest
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I don’t think we’re watching the same show fellas

abstract pagoda
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You're focusing on things the show isn't focusing on.

plush quest
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Because I’m trying to explain the nuance in something that you say is 99% true

abstract pagoda
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It's the show's job to show nuance, not the audience's job to interpret it from what extras are fiddling with in a blurry background shot.

thick patio
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Let's keep this chat focused on the Fallout show. If you wish to discuss lore, then please do so in the #fallout-lore channel.

plush quest
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Tbf, we are talking about the lore presented in the show. But we can move it there if it’s better suited for that channel

vale girder
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They’re talking about the show

plush quest
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It just seemed better to talk about it here to prevent less spoiler spillage in a non-show dedicated channel

vale girder
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What are you guys debating about anyway? Whether or not the BoS are goofy goobers?

thick patio
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Discussing the show itself is what this chat is for. Getting into the Fallout lore semantics is better suited in the #fallout-lore chat.

abstract pagoda
plush quest
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I think it’s needed to show how the BoS chapters on the west coast have fallen

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And why the Commonwealth has such an edge over them

abstract pagoda
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Harkness isn't portrayed as much better.

plush quest
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I’d argue he’s much better than most of the characters we’ve seen

vale girder
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They’re goofy goobers 💯 but I’m just taking it as that’s how the show is portraying them, I like it but it’s weird because it’s not how we know them at all. Just have to see where it goes.

plush quest
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Just a little blood thirsty

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He still keeps up the appearance of decorum at least

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With that sweet ass jacket

abstract pagoda
plush quest
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He holds more strongly to the original BOS ideals, even if the way he interprets them may be on the extreme side

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He’s a “boy” but on the complete opposite spectrum than the West Coast

abstract pagoda
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Can you be more specific?

plush quest
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The mods said cool it on the semantics talk. But genereally I see him being cut from a different cloth than we’ve seen from 99% of the BoS we’ve seen on the show so far

abstract pagoda
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That's a little bit less specific. TuT

plush quest
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Less of the Alpha type of frat bro and more of the Sigma type. God I felt cringe saying that but it’s true if you’ve interacted with some of these frats

vale girder
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What the hell are you people going on about? Am I on Reddit?

abstract pagoda
thick patio
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He has more moments of lucidity, where he's less of a stereotype, but I don't think that frees him of the 'Boy's club' inclusion.

plush quest
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I gotta prepare drive ahead of me for tonight.

gray badger
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My read on the different BoS chapters breaks down to this basically

Knights of San Fernando: theologically focused

The Commonwealth: Tech focused and militant

The others: Survival focused

plush quest
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I’d love to upset the mods more but I gotta get ready

plush quest
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Sigma-Pi rules

vale girder
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What’s a Sigma and Alpha frat bro though? Are those different college campuses in America?

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And where does Sarah Lyons inevitable return fit into any of that?

plush quest
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On my campus. The Alpha frat was your stereotypical dumb jock party frats. Our Sigma chapter required a level of academic excellence but still was more or less of a boy’s club.

The BoS makes a lot of sense if you view it through an American Greek Life lense

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Another name for a Brotherhood is a fraternity. They even operate in similar disparate “chapters”

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Lyon’s would fall under a more service oriented co-ed frat. Like the kinds that do a lot of volunteer work for the local church

weak kayak
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I hope the legion shows up again

plush quest
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Sad we didn’t really get to hear JK Simmon’s speak as Caesar

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||My bet is that he’s dead in the insueing Civil War that the Ghoul caused||

weak kayak
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I hope not lol

plush quest
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||We know Culkin’s character will pick up the crown eventually||

cunning rock
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Ok, no spoilers from me; perfect 3rd episode, gets my stamp of approval!

last garnet
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im starting to think lucy int is on negative number

cunning rock
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Only problem with the tv-series is I’m not the protagonist

cunning rock
hollow oasis
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Lucy definitely has low charisma. Her charismatic attempts arent working, at all

lofty prairie
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Hello y’all, how’s chats steaming after that last episode. Going to say it again genuinely peeved about the weekly release now lol.

lofty prairie
lofty prairie
hollow oasis
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Lucy: [Chooses Charisma option]

[FAILED]

steep raven
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personally I feel like they could’ve got someone else for his role.
Someone a bit more intimidating ig?

lofty prairie
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Yeah

abstract pagoda
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The second Caesar Coop sees through his spyglass also looked like quite a small dude

calm trellis
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Are we sure Justin Theroux is actually playing House?

glacial bridge
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This was the best episode of S2 by a wide margin imo. Very quotable, too.

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||"His government had defied god, and for that, he defied his government."
"Behold, the dimness of the sword." "I have no need for the thoughts of a sword."
"All that remains of America is the overwhelming evidence of its failure."||

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Also did anyone else spot ||HELIOS ONE|| in the background at 31:26?

vivid meadow
glacial bridge
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He just screws over everyone who gets in his way

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He sold out those ncr rangers

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Cause it was the easiest option

glacial bridge
# vivid meadow What development does he get?

||He chooses to bomb the Legion because he thinks it's the right thing to do, not because it benefits him specifically. The symbolism with the lighter and using it to light the dynamite is pretty explicit.||

glacial bridge
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lilac sequoia
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He did what he did and he clearly knows what the cause and effect was but also aware it could go completely wrong

vivid meadow
lilac sequoia
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|| The civil war will only bring down to a new Ceasar to take over and the Legion will shrink but still enough to go after those NCR Rangers if he truly did snitch their location ||

glacial bridge
lilac sequoia
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|| The reason he did it was because for once he's fighting for the right thing because throughout the season he didnt care for anyone but himself ||

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Sure he needs lucy as a benefit but we clearly know his boundaries are beginning to fall being more around her

lilac sequoia
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and Walton Goggins has already stated his character is earning his humanity more and more

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||I believe cooper sold the location at Camp Golf and not actually the one near primm the rangers are held up in. ||

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sure he's not morally correct but he clearly has respect for soldiers

glacial bridge
wooden narwhal
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Well, this means Fallout Tactics has become more Canon.

In the game Fallout Tactics: Brotherhood of Steel ||does have an internal conflict during the events on 2197 -through- 2198, culminating in the Midwestern Brotherhood chapter essentially going rogue and preparing for a potential war with the more isolationist West Coast chapters due to ideological differences.||

Can't wait for more episodes! NukaCola
Really hoping there is an opposing chapter within The Enclave, and it be presented in this series.

Reason I typed "this". - Because; This brings on the opportunity for there to be an animated series "now or later".

(?Maybe?)

lofty prairie
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Hey guys

wooden narwhal
lofty prairie
hallow sail
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🤣

lilac sequoia
hallow sail
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jsut now watching episode 3

lilac sequoia
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we also know according to set leaks || There are legion and NCR fighting with Norm and his vault 31 members there too ||

hallow sail
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KEVIN!

wooden narwhal
vivid meadow
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Why does this channel even need spoiler tags, why come discuss the show if ur not caught up

wooden narwhal
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Can respect that.

hallow sail
vivid meadow
wooden narwhal
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Basically.

thick patio
wooden narwhal
hallow sail
lofty prairie
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Oh I 100% think cooper will die in later seasons he seems like the character that would. he believes his death should’ve been long ago.

calm trellis
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|| I bet the NCR rangers will help out the two later on ||

steep raven
hallow sail
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cooper's pre-war house is pretty nice i think

wooden narwhal
vivid meadow
steep raven
hallow sail
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that's not going to end well

steep raven
wooden narwhal
lofty prairie
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I like what the show is trying to tell us. That anyone trying to rebuild in the old world formula will ultimately meet the same end as the US. And I love how they are playing the sides in the show that a lot of soldiers realised this. The moment Vaultec became in charge is when America fell in their eyes.

glacial bridge
wooden narwhal
steep raven
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||I’m only assuming caulkin takes control based off the few legion trailer scenes that we didn’t see in this episode involving them||

wooden narwhal
lofty prairie
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I noticed how each faction failing is parallel to how every country lost the war in Fallout.

wooden narwhal
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I don't want Script Injections.

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All open for assumptions and hypothesis.

lofty prairie
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And thats how cooper sees every faction. They are just another army fighting another war.

glacial bridge
steep raven
lofty prairie
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Believe me I love certain factions but I love how they are playing show i showing us how lots of progress can be undone in an instant and how civilisation is doomed to fail if they repeat the old world ideals.

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Which isnt nothing new i mean, Ulysses talks about it and so does others but the show is making this very clear.

lofty prairie
crisp grail
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man ... i just LOVE how they took on the legion , 1 part deadly scary , 1 part hilarious LARPers

spark nova
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I wonder how screwed DC is now without the BoS, a very dangerous region and they seem to have completely abandoned it for the Commonwealth.

wooden narwhal
glacial bridge
spark nova
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Good case to be made VB is broad strokes canon.

lofty prairie
wooden narwhal
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If not Solar. ||Cold Fusion Application|| service.

minor lark
crisp grail
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oh god, yeah i saw some guy railing at Juicehead because he hasnt talked about it yet

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thing is... at the end of the day, Betheda and now Microsoft owns ALL of it under its trademarks ... so while perhaps the showrunners should attach a thank you to the prior map makers... they really dont have a legal leg to stand on as fans

spark nova
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Going by CC stuff, consider that canon as you will, they seem to have up and abandoned DC, leaving older PA suits behind after obtaining their T-60 stock and letting the locals to handle things on their own.

glacial bridge
wooden narwhal
minor lark
spark nova
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The New Plague really needs to be featured heavily in some story, it even got a shoutout in last week's episode

lofty prairie
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Guys who do you thinks gonna come on top of the BoS civil war?

wooden narwhal
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@glacial bridge if they do release Fallout VB. They should make it the FIRST isometric mobile Fallout game. Before making FO1&FO2 for mobile access.

lofty prairie
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I feel like the show it’s trying to side us with commonwealth chapter, I mean if they have liberty prime it’s over before it began

spark nova
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Call it Fallout: New Denver or something

crisp grail
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im honestly unsure where this is gonna take us - i assume a Civil War but that seems like a too obvious result

wooden narwhal
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FO:VB has so much potential too.

glacial bridge
spark nova
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I just wanna hang out with the Yosemite elder since she still seems to have her marbles

crisp grail
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he was the only guy out there, so news would have to get back pretty quick and they'd have to mobilize pretty quick

lofty prairie
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I doubt quintus knows what he’s getting himself into cuz liberty prime would actually wipe out the others.

crisp grail
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god, some Polygon author was railing about McCauley Culkin "ruined the legion"

minor lark
steep raven
lofty prairie
wooden narwhal
abstract pagoda
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I was actually pretty happy with how the Legion were portrayed, they were serious and scary

spark nova
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I was glad to see the salvaged T-45 pauldrons are still around

abstract pagoda
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Same with the NCR, just swap scary with idealistic

lofty prairie
steep raven
minor lark
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Hilarious

crisp grail
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hilarious though

spark nova
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I wonder how many zany plots have been attempted over the years to get the body

hallow sail
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kumail is having the time of his life chewing the scenery

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lofty prairie
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Legate lanius wouldve be been a good successor. But he had no interest in taking the the throne

spark nova
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He also might he dead

lofty prairie
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Infact lanius hated the legion and was only loyal to Caesar

wooden narwhal
lofty prairie
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Sorta like Rayvis from Jedi survivor

spark nova
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If go west what about east?

lofty prairie
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Caesar would be rolling in his grave knowing a goofy Vault overseer did what he and 1000 soldiers failed to do. Make the NCR fall.

abstract pagoda
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Emphasis on the goofy

steep raven
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if only he was in a grave to roll around in

lofty prairie
abstract pagoda
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Hank blowing up the capital of the NCR just because a city council member stole his wife

lofty prairie
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How did he even get up there in the first place. Did he just die on that hill

spark nova
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He chose a hill to die on and croaked

minor lark
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Lame hill to die on. Badum tis

abstract pagoda
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Transporting his body maybe? Then it got ambushed?

spark nova
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I've seen it suggested that the camps were dug in around the corpse

hallow sail
spark nova
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Well they were stealing the vault's water

lofty prairie
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Legion: for the glory of Caesar we will destroy the bear.
Hank: My the bear took my wife

wooden narwhal
abstract pagoda
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And then he still didn't kill her and wound up losing to her the next time they met again

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I don't know about y'all, but I thought ep3 was a bit of a sleeper. But im sure it's just the bridge to the next big piece of action.

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spark nova
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Next week looks to be action packed especially Alaska

lofty prairie
abstract pagoda
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What's funny is that he did it in a way Caesar absolutely couldve

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And would've if you consider Searchlight

lofty prairie
spark nova
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I'm sure we'll get more info on who equipped the caravan guy with the chip

lofty prairie
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And Caesar was a very intelligent man. If anything him knowing stuff about bombs wouldve been almost guaranteed

spark nova
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He's dumber than Snuffles

spark nova
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mmm chip

steep raven
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how the caravan even got in without immediately being stopped by guards is beyond me

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lofty prairie
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Like imma be honest if the president is there and stuff im equipping my best men to guard him and the city

abstract pagoda
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The caravan realistically would've been searched

glacial bridge
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Fun fact, the Ranger patch shown on the NCR armor in the new episode looks to be inspired by the real-life patch designed in WWII and worn by the US Army's 75th Ranger Regiment today. Specifically, the star and lighting bolt emblazoned on a shield.

orchid lake
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Ok so I just saw ep3 and holy cow that was something

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Looks like they're going to show more of the Pre-War US army and teased the NCR coming back

hidden girder
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I kinda figured the ncr would have been in rough condition, but not that bad. Not surprising though. Loved what they did with the Legion.

thick patio
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As a friendly reminder, please be sure to use the spoiler tag as to not spoil things for others.

spark nova
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I enjoy the simple marine T-45 paint job, feels like it came right off the assembly line and they just put some markings on it

wooden narwhal
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Hoping that ALL shall be singing "Auld Lang Syne" @12am tonight!

abstract pagoda
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It's fun to try and spot props and costumes that are likely to end up in 76

spark nova
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Marine Paint feels like an easy Atom Shop thing

hallow sail
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"I think i just started war"
"Well, i'm the floor manager here and it sounds like we both got a lot going on"
"yeah"

plain portal
hallow sail
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Are you a fan of the soft "c"? 😆

spark nova
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It's basically just silver PA with MARINES and T-45 printed on the chest in yellow

plain portal
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Oh

hallow sail
# orchid lake Lmaooo

the "yeah" right before the credits is like the cherry on top of that conversation

hallow sail
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chief's kiss

storm grove
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okay that one took me a while

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autism brain thinking they were all debating orthography

hallow sail
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kumail didn't leave any scenery for the others to chew on, so it had to end

plush quest
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Did it bother anyone else that The Ghoul dropped a vial when he was grabbing them from the NCR soldier?

storm grove
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YES

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idk why he's wasting the jet since he apparently needs the stuff

orchid lake
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Yeah, but he probably is going back for them

plush quest
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I think the Goggins did it on accident but it wasn’t in character for him to pick it up

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And they didn’t bother with a reshoot because the directors thought that was more in-line with his character

storm grove
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yes possibly, they might have liked the scene since he was being disrespectful to the NCR ppl and that just added to the insult

orchid lake
lofty prairie
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I want to see t51 power armour

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In the show. We’re is it. It was the western BoS signature armour.

orchid lake
lofty prairie
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Wouldve shown they haven’t adapted and still use the armour that their founder used

orchid lake
lofty prairie
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Tbh when Quintius said Roger I was like oh no, dont butcher/alter the founding of the BoS. I genuinely thought if they did this it would cause a mob to form.

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but he didn’t alter anything just referenced mariposas experiments

orchid lake
lofty prairie
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That Roger Maxson line was actually chilling tho.

lofty prairie
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It was interesting he didn’t say god vs America. Only god vs government.

orchid lake
lofty prairie
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I think the choice of words there was intentional

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It has to be, theres also other little hints from episode one to 3 atm where im convinced the enclave is gonna show up

orchid lake
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Plus now it seems like the BoS actually views themselves as Americans as they constantly refer to "our/their country" and the one elder said something about being "unamerican"

lofty prairie
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Im fully convinced it was the enclave that blew up shady sands, as payback to them blowing up Navarro and the oil rig

orchid lake
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Plus the Star Spangled Banner played when Xander was wrecking that securitron

lofty prairie
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Cuz this whole season seems to be about America and the old world ideals threading humanity once again.

orchid lake
steep raven
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the Minutemenclave

lofty prairie
orchid lake
lofty prairie
lofty prairie
orchid lake
lofty prairie
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Also the mind controls things seem heavily similar to encalve trying to mind control deathclaws. If I remember the mind control experiment failed on humans but succeeded in animals.

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That’s why we had sophisticated British deathclaws in FO2

orchid lake
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Yeah, and with all the teasing of old world ideals and more Pre War scenes with the US army and Marines and references and direct mentions of America like when Lucy mentions it to the Legion and all that, the Enclave are definitely returning

lofty prairie
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Yeah I mean it’s not 100% but they are doing deliberate hints at something so im excited

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Maybe it’s sorta a new version of the enclave one bigger more powerful

orchid lake
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I'm betting they're setting up a resurgent Enclave vs resurgent NCR plotline, basically the worst of what can come out of Old World Blues vs the best that can come out of it

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The ideals of America vs it's government

lofty prairie
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Yeah thats what Ive been getting the vibe off. America is important but in this season and this episode specifically they are heavily themed on old world ideals. Maybe we could see a potential NCR/BoS/Legion team up to take down what is essentially the old world ideals. Idk how that would work each hate each other but if the enclave theory is true idk who going to stop them.

cunning rock
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Robert House developed the mind control device seen on the caravaner seen delivering the bomb to Shady Sands and Hank was shown trying to perfect it so I think it’s safe to assume Hank did it

lofty prairie
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Especially if they have like XO3 power armour by now

lofty prairie
cunning rock
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If so I’ve totally missed that

orchid lake
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Still I'm intrigued to see how this will all play out

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Plus I want to see Cooper's reaction to his old government returning

cunning rock
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and I’ll have to rewatch e3, ||I think I saw X01 PA in the background of one scene||

lofty prairie
lofty prairie
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Remember coops been a gunslinging ghoul as early a fallout 76

spark nova
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Didn't the bounty from last season come down from the Enclave anyway?

spark nova
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Coop was willing to work with them, but not the Legion

cunning rock
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Miami just went 2 td’s up on Ohio State

orchid lake
orchid lake
lofty prairie
lofty prairie
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I don’t think season one cooper cared about morals of the people he took money from as long as they paid

spark nova
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I assume the enclave will come back into the story at some point given the diode was stolen from them

lofty prairie
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Funnily enough the vaulttec logo for could fusion was owned by encalve why have a vaultec thing in enclave hands?

orchid lake
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And I bet high command is FUMING right now

orchid lake
lofty prairie
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Idk im not 100% sold yet but theres far to many hints to be ignored

spark nova
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Vault-Tec bought out Moldaver IIRC

orchid lake
lofty prairie
lofty prairie
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Thats how she knew about their plans

orchid lake
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I'm surprised she never once mentioned the Enclave or the government in general yet though

lofty prairie
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But we’re ultimately shut down due to inciting hatred im pretty sure

spark nova
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I'm very curious about House's want for the diode, reminds me of the platinum chip.

orchid lake
cunning rock
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I thought she was corporate spy or investigative reporter in e1

lofty prairie
orchid lake
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Plus the congresswoman in the show referenced "this administration" and such which was such a dead giveaway and hint towards the Enclave

lofty prairie
lofty prairie
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My theory is that the enclave will see this as a good time to wipe out their enemies seeing how majority of the factions are weak rn

spark nova
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I hope they explain how the diode lets them make fusion cores, since fusion tech is basically fake outside of the diode I wonder if FCs are really fission cores?

lofty prairie
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They are essentially tiny nuclear reactors it allows them to put extreme power back into a dead battery

orchid lake
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Although the Enclave probably also will end up surviving so they can appear later on anyways

wet knoll
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I want kura or goris to be the one in the previews

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And if its goris its a prime opportunity to give a flashback to frank horrigan

spark nova
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Ain't that Clawdius?

orchid lake
wet knoll
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Yes

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Then they could introduce the enclave

spark nova
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Glad the pre-war Deathclaw lore is being referenced

wet knoll
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The little neck things are what they used on them right? Or am i thinking wrong

wet knoll
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I know they were in the big mt and it makes me think the dlc arnt really canon
Unless they run across the sierra madre empty

wet knoll
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Im pissed about that car in area 51

spark nova
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Give them jet to make people's heads explode

orchid lake
celest fjord
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New episode out Alr

orchid lake
wet knoll
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So what is the timeline? House used the chip courier left cesar lost brotherhood won the commonwealth and bro stayed in the institute after shawn died?

spark nova
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House or Yes Man to get the Securitron Mk IIs