fallout-tv-series

[foggy bridge]

Wouldn’t be surprised if house has some connection to the nuka world owner as they both froze themselves

That would be the best thing ever, honestly

Or mumbo-jumbo

[lilac sequoia]

who

[foggy bridge]

He’s a Minecraft YouTuber. He looks like this lol

Oh damn, you can’t post photos of this chat

Is Minecraft skin looks like house and he made a robot that was similar in appearance to house lol

[lilac sequoia]

oh u mean hermitcraft

[foggy bridge]

Ye

To be honest the house actor from the medical series would be a great choice for house himself as he can play very cynical character

[lilac sequoia]

i hope every season is just one new abomination

Next season should be a super mutant behemoth

maybe something like Frank Horrigan

im 100% locked in that season 3 is Enclave related

[foggy bridge]

Fair

[ripe cove]

Touche

[split gorge]

I'm Getting the Pip-boy!!! Finally

[lofty prairie]

Season 2 when?

[spark island]

It’s still way early for that. Here is me hoping it’s this October

[split gorge]

I have caps down for a release Date somewhere in June. Then it being released in August

[astral ember]

Are you sure?

Everything indicates that the canonical ending of New Vegas resulted in Mr. House's victory.

[red forge]

Gonna be a while.
Quoting Wikipedia:
"Filming for the second season is occurring in Los Angeles and Toronto, to take advantage of a $25 million tax incentive offered by California.[28] Filming was scheduled to begin in November 2024, and had begun by early December that same year.[29][30] Filming was paused in January 2025, due to the Los Angeles fires.[31]"

Even though it's restarted production since, a delay is a delay.

[astral ember]

Midwest next location

[split gorge]

Then wouldn't Vegas still be up and running?

[lofty prairie]

Nothing indicates anything yet. We have no info on what's going on in Vegas except a single wide angle shot that shows nothing

[steep cypress]

That and the end credits showing it in ruins, which the show runners confirmed are meant to imply what happened to NV

[astral ember]

If House wins, New Vegas will continue to operate as it did 200 years ago.

Also, there is a 15-year time gap between New Vegas and the TV Show, and we don't even know what happened in those 15 years.

[lofty prairie]

They didn't say anything.
The end credits are just hints, they're not an exact depiction of what happens

None of the other end credits are accurate to the events that actually happen in the show.
They just hint at what might happen

[split gorge]

True true

[steep cypress]

Again, more territory you're gonna find difficult, but the post-credits animation takes us on this sweeping tour through New Vegas. It looks like it's seen better days. It's kind of in ruins. Can you speak at all to what might have happened in the 15 years since we last saw it, in Fallout: New Vegas?

Wagner: All we really want the audience to know is that things have happened, so that there isn't an expectation that we pick the show up in season two, following one of the myriad canon endings that depend on your choices when you play [Fallout: New Vegas].

With that post-credits stuff, we really wanted to imply, Guys, the world has progressed, and the idea that the wasteland stays as it is decade-to-decade is preposterous to us. It’s just a place [of] constant tragedy, events, horrors — there's a constant churn of trauma. We're definitely implying more has occurred.

[steep cypress]

How are the other credits not accurate?

[lofty prairie]

Yes. They say things happened and it's not the same it was 15 years ago.
That does not means it's just completely destroyed.

It could just be a normal mounted attack

[lofty prairie]

Griffith Observatory is shown to be destroyed yet only in the final episode does the BoS actually destroy it

Meaning it to hadn't happened when the credits showed up

Vegas could get attacked in S2 itself

[steep cypress]

They say that in response to NV being in ruins and their answer is that there's a constant cycle of destruction and tragedy. That seems like a pretty direct implication of what has happened

[lofty prairie]

Yes. Like i said. An attack. Same way the BoS suffered problems across games, or the NCR suffered problems.

Doesn't mean it's just completely destroyed.

[steep cypress]

Because the last couple of credits were clearly pushed backwards. The NV credits play the BOS theme. The Observatory credits with dead BoS soldiers play the fiddle tune from the radio. The radio credits play a random song that has no connection to it.

If you push them forward by one then they line up perfectly

[lofty prairie]

That's the thing.
Then how do we know the NV credit is accurate?

When Nolan himself said we'll be glad how he portrays NV in S2

"I want to thank the fans of Fallout New Vegas for not burning my house to the Ground, You'll be glad you didn't"

[steep cypress]

I'm saying those credits are accurate to the episodes they were supposed to be assigned to, but were misaligned for whatever reason. Maybe the inclusion of NV was a last minute addition, who knows?

As I said, if you push them forward, everything is accurate. The Observatory ones would play after the battle with the BoS theme in the background and the radio ones would play after the radio episode with the fiddle tunes in the background.

[steep cypress]

I mean, what was he supposed to say? "You guys are gonna hate S2 because we'll destroy New Vegas"?

[lofty prairie]

Nothing?
He didn't need to mention NV by name at all.
Todd clearly looks shaken back there when he said it

[astral ember]

The credits where Hank arrives in Vegas are just a scene of the sunrise there, and the casino lights are probably off, making it seem like something happened.

[lofty prairie]

Yes and my point is whatever the reason, their actual timing is inaccurate.

Meaning Vegas could get attacked but not yet. It may not even be accurate at all

[steep cypress]

They already teased it in the ending, so there's no reason to hide it. It's really just a way to convince people who disliked S1 to give S2 chance

[steep cypress]

That's the ending. The end credits that play after that show the streets of New Vegas in ruins.

[astral ember]

https://tenor.com/view/omni-man-omni-man-are-you-sure-are-you-sure-invincible-gif-3935116808772397515

[lofty prairie]

Again.
The credits aren't fully accurate. They are just stylized hints.

Griffith's end credit has skeletons in it

And they don't need to convince anyone at all

Even with NV fans howling the show made bank, they have zero reason to convince anyone

[steep cypress]

But they aren't inaccurate. And they weren't made to foreshadow anything either. As I said, they were likely just shifted in post-production due to the addition of New Vegas (the extremely barren CGI shot lines up with that too) and are supposed to show those places after their respective episodes. And the show runners said that things have already happened, not that something will happen in S2. Because why would they spoil the destruction of NV if it's supposed to happen during S2?

[lofty prairie]

Ok then.

How do you know they were shifted late and not meant to foreshadow anything.

Were you part of the production crew?

Awkward CGI isn't an excuse when there's other awkward CGI shots in the series

[steep cypress]

Because they don't match what's shown in the episode? And the music playing in the background doesn't match what's shown in the credits?

[lofty prairie]

Maybe BECAUSE they are not meant to show what's already happened but what might happen

Not to mention they're stylized to be more dramatic like Griffith having Skeletons and no recent signs of battle

[steep cypress]

Explain the music

Why don't they play the radio music when showing the radio? Why do they play it when showing dead BoS soldiers? Why do they play the BoS music when showing NV? Because they got misaligned.

The radio music was obviously supposed to play while showing the radio. And BoS theme was supposed to play when showing the BoS.

Not to mention, there's nothing in the entire show that would foreshadow NV until the very end with the crappy CGI shot and the end credits that broke the order of the last 2 credits.

[lofty prairie]

Because the events at the radio station is what lead to the attack?
Again, if you think the NV credit was added last minute there should be one extra bit of end credit missing which isn't.
They play the BoS theme because it could be heavily involved in whatever happened in Vegas?
This is further considering most of the music isn't even aligned with what happens in the episode most of the time.
1, 3 and 4 are aligned, the others aren't.

Why do they play I Don't want to set the world on fire after the episode ends with Lucy cutting WilZig's head?
And why does it randomly show the airport instead of the desert or philly itself?

And again. There's CGI errors in tons of areas. It literally suggests nothing.

You're reading way too much into this.

By your logic I'd assume New Vegas is set in a hellish nightmare?
Because all it's promo artwork certainly doesn't paint the Mojave as anything else other than red skies and total destruction

[astral ember]

Red sky? Literally, when Hank arrived in Nevada, it was just dawning. Besides, New Vegas, in the distance, could be made to believe it was destroyed or abandoned. Also, the casino lights were off because it was dawning.

[lofty prairie]

I was talking about the game itself.
All of it's promo artworks show it in dark red skies and thick clouds like it's the Sierra madre

When the actual game looks absolutely nothing like that

[astral ember]

I really like to believe that the artwork only shows sunrise or sunset over Vegas. Although I wouldn't like to see that artwork filter in the final game.

Anyway. Orange color sky

[steep cypress]

Except there is extra bit of end credit that is missing. Because if the credit with the radio station played after Episode 7, where the radio station actually appears then:

1. Episode 6 would have it's own end credits, showing something connected to that specific episode, instead of something from the next episode.

2. The end credits with the radio station would play the music from that radio station. It makes no sense for them to be separated.

Unlike some random pre-war songs, those tunes are specifically tied to that radio station. They literally draw attention to them in Ep. 7. Likewise, the BoS theme was written specifically for BoS, so it would only make sense to play it in the credits that show BoS. And those credits would fit perfectly after Ep. 8, because it ends with BoS attacking the Observatory and sustaining heavy casualties.

They show the airport because we can see it in the background of that scene between Lucy and Wilzig.

None of the other CGI scenic shots are anywhere close to being as empty as the NV one.

It seems to me that the only people reading too much into anything are the ones who are still in denial about NV being destroyed (which is weird because even the show runners don't really hide this). The simplest explanation is that the last 2 credits got messed up, not that they are intentionally meant to spoil what happens in the next episodes or that NV is shown to be in ruins for no reason.

[steep cypress]

Promotional art work isn't the same as a shot directly from the show

[lofty prairie]

1. where is it then? No leaks, no word, no mention from the cgi team, it just vanished?

2. what sense does it make to play I Don't want to set the world on fire in E2? Or show the airport for that matter

3.) Most of the episodes have random songs with no connection.
Why would they even play the BoS song at the final episode and not any of the previous episodes where they show their power like where the Prydwen and knights appear?

Ah so something random being in the background instead of philly or just the desert makes sense there but the radio song which is tied to the events that lead to the attack in the last episode is out of place.

Not just wide shots.
Hank's deaged look is easily the worst cgi related shot in the series. Him being superimposed into the T60 is a close second.
There were CGI errors apart from just Vegas.
The PA hud also has errors with it's AP marker

It seems to me people are reading way too much to find any random info that could suggest NV is destroyed.
(Which is weird because even Nolan himself said we'll like it, which is unlikely if he was planning on completely destroying it)
The simplest explanation is the credits aren't accurate and over-dramatized

[lofty prairie]

Official promo art is meant to showcase the game properly. Yes.
There's this thing called false marketting.

[lilac sequoia]

Nope

If they are genuine, we won’t know which ending is canonical

Rather a different event happened probably that affected new vegas irrelevant to the result of the 2nd war on hoover Dam

They havent technically stated what canonical ending was Fallout 4’s for season 1 as the Prydwyn show up

[lilac sequoia]

They could have rebuild the Prydwyn. It only took 2 years to brainstorm and more than twice to build it. Which is about 6-10 years. Being generous.

which is the amount of time the TV show takes place after 4

[steep cypress]

1. Why would there be anything of the sort? What is there even to leak? The only leaks we had from the show are from sets, not CGI end credits. Maybe they didn't even get to making one for that episode?

2. Why are you shifting the focus to that, when we're talking about those 2 credits specifically? Again, the radio music is directly tied to the radio. BoS music is tied to BoS. The Ink Spots are not tied to anything. This is false equivalence.

3. What? No, they specifically do play BoS theme in the final episode... while showing The Strip, which has no connection to BoS. But the end credits from Ep.7 show dead BoS soldiers and crashed BoS vertibirds at the Observatory which BoS captured in Ep. 8... while playing fiddle music from the radio station.

The point is that it's something actually from the episode. Every episode from 1 to 5 shows something connected to what we see in that same episode. And if we move the credits from 6 and 7 forward, then they would be in line with that, instead of showing stuff from the next episode.

None of those are scenic shots. Again, look at those instead. Like the shots of Filly in the last episode, for example. They don't look like they portray the surface of Mars the way NV one does.

How is that reading too much into it? At this point, we have the end credits showing it in ruins. We have show runners responding to it, saying they're meant to show that something tragic happened to NV since the events of the game. We also have that certain... other, more recent stuff, if you know what I mean.

Again, why would Nolan say that people will dislike it? That's not how you market a show. Hell, he might genuinely believe that people will like S2 just for featuring NV, regardless of whether it will be destroyed or if all endings will be rendered meaningless. And judging from how people defend the show, he's probably right.

Being "over-dramatized" is not the same as being completely contradictory to what we see in the show.

Anyway, we can just wait for S2 and see it for ourselves (assuming they haven't changed their minds about this too after S1) 🤷‍♂️

[lilac sequoia]

I also have to agree with Sloth here. Playing BOS music during the NV credits implies nothing

Its fallout Soundtrack and much of the other diff songs are edited in like Johnny Cash or whatever 40’s 50’s music they can find that matches the scene and feel very fallout

Like “I don’t want to see tomorrow” or “I dont want to set the word on fire” Aren’t songs with deeper meaning besides the fact they describe the world well

Also the Showrunners were VERY clear the end credits scene gives us hints and implications of what season 2 may be

Personally, i believe new vegas will transition Pre-War (flashbacks) and Post-war which will be somewhat abandoned and wasted

And maybe during the events of New Vegas as extra context for house

Just because Nolan said New Vegas fans will be glad they wont burn his house down. That doesn’t imply that New Vegas is still functioning. What does he know what New Vegas fans want. I doubt most new vegas fans know what they want either.

[lilac sequoia]

Ik i just want huge references to new vegas, returning characters or companions, some closure to some quests and stories along the way.

But confirming an ending is def not something people want and the only issue is showing New Vegas in its current state will either imply which ending is canon or the ending means nothing to the overall outcome 15 years later and those fans will be pissed either way

[lofty prairie]

1. They had multiple interviews and breakdowns of their cgi work. Never once do they ever mention anything about cutting out any credit sequence or add one last minute.
   They'd have to add music there separately, there is very little reason why they'd accidentally leave a piece of music out of order.

2.) Because it is important. When we're talking about the accuracy of credits. All have to be questioned.
The song is literally about setting the world on fire, the ink spots are tied to the nuclear attack itself across the games ever since 1.
They also play they'd make me a star at the end of episode 4 because that's what happens to cooper.
If you can assume a music piece is out of order because it's not directly tied to the events of the episode itself, it can be applied to the prior credits too.

The radio is also literally tied to the chain of events that lead to the attack. Why can't it play there?

3.) Yes and Ep3 and 4 also have matching songs yet the other episodes don't.
How do you know the BoS would have zero connection to Vegas when S2 isn't even out yet?

Yes a music played in the credits depicting an aftermath of an event that started at the radio station. Definitely out of place.

There is no point. Half the episodes have no matching songs and the other half does.
Some are linked to events that happen at the end or something that happens before.
I don't want to set the world on fire is about the nuclear war itself yet it plays in E2 and crawl out through the Fallout plays in E1 when both fit their opposite episodes more.

It doesn't matter if they're scenic shots. They are cgi shots that are presented front and center yet there are errors.

It is by definition reading too much into it.
We have Nolan responding to it when he had zero reason to even mention NV fans at all.
He specifically talked about NV fans burning his house, he knows exactly what they want.

I didn't say completely contradictory. NV could be attacked but not completely destroyed

[lofty prairie]

Fair.
This has indeed gone on long enough.
We should wait for S2

[lofty prairie]

Anyone have any idea what the location of the enclave facility location would be

[astral ember]

Nobody knows. It's been theorized that the TV Show's enclave is in the Sierra Nevada, Montana, or Chicago.

[sturdy tundra]

Probably the Sierras, yeah, or somewhere further north.

[west forum]

I really hope they don't butcher the ncr too much in the tv series. By far my favorite faction and the most realistic of all the factions in fallout with great potential to expand on lore.

[harsh hatch]

https://x.com/PrimeVideo/status/1919546629079875882/photo/1

Prime Video (@PrimeVideo) on X

His name is Walton Goggins. #MetGala

X · May 6, 2025, 12:15 AM

[red forge]

https://tenor.com/view/wink-fallout-if-you-catch-my-drift-if-you-know-what-i-mean-oh-yeah-gif-2323353754109811096

[late ravine]

My glorious, fabulous, fantastic, amazing, brilliant, beautiful, incredible king ❤️‍🩹

[lofty prairie]

Aye. S2 wrapped production less go

Officially this time. No more rumors

[crisp grail]

just in case anyone doubts Mr Ryder https://fxtwitter.com/falloutonprime/status/1920533288629792880

FALLOUT⚡️ (@falloutonprime)

Achievement unlocked! Fallout Season 2 has wrapped production.

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FxTwitter · May 8, 2025, 5:36 PM

[astral ember]

Season 3 when?

[chilly hedge]

With the season 2 filming wrapped up...

I wonder if Season 2 might be slated for Fallout Day 2025

Would give them 5 months between finishing filming and release

[valid sky]

Yup Season 2 is a wrap

https://www.instagram.com/p/DJZnLWFKUHw/?igsh=NTc4MTIwNjQ2YQ==

ella_purnell

aaaaand that’s a wrap on @falloutonprime Season 2 folks! 🤓

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[torpid perch]

I dont want to set the world on fire!!!!!!!!!

[red forge]

But it's always been burning since the world's been turning

[limpid edge]

Season 2 to be released in December 2025. Amazon has given approval for season 3.

[quasi copper]

Wait were did they announce that!?

[red forge]

!link or it's a rumour.

Ok there are a few reports.
https://deadline.com/2025/05/fallout-renewed-season-3-prime-video-1236394147/

[astral ember]

https://vxtwitter.com/screentime/status/1922082347509236058

ScreenTime (@screentime)

First teaser for ‘FALLOUT’ Season 2

Premiering December 2025 https://t.co/I3yeMUJe9Z

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vxTwitter / fixvx · May 13, 2025, 12:11 AM

Mr house lets go

[hallow sail]

woot woot@ https://deadline.com/2025/05/fallout-renewed-season-3-prime-video-1236394147/

[orchid rune]

I don’t remember vegas having that giant chasm

Unless…

[ripe canyon]

Bug

[orchid rune]

Or Tunnellers
Or maybe
Bugged Tunnellers

[ripe canyon]

It’s made by bethesda any bug is expected

[astral ember]

It could be one of the craters that were already in New Vegas.

[ripe canyon]

Alternatively It could be a megaton class nuke

[orchid rune]

I don’t remember there being a chasm shaped like that near vegas

[astral ember]

Remember that this new New Vegas is different in terrain than the game. An example would be the presence of more casinos or buildings on the Strip than were present in the game.

[ripe canyon]

Never noticed the extra buildings, up until now that is.

[astral ember]

maybe it's house's work in the 15 years difference?

[ripe canyon]

Here’s the question based on that: If Mr House won, why did New Vegas look collapsed at the end of S1?

[astral ember]

It was just a way of saying that S2 would be in New Vegas

[limpid edge]

https://fxtwitter.com/BethesdaStudios/status/1922335887603441886

FALLOUT⚡️ (@falloutonprime)

We come bearing gifts. Season 2 is this December, and Season 3 is as greenlit as a Christmas tree.

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[late ravine]

ts gonna be absolute cinema ❤️‍🩹

[ripe canyon]

Hopefully A settlement needs Lucy’s help

[late ravine]

Hopefully someone wins the lottery

[ripe canyon]

True

[ripe canyon]

The ghoul shooting them would be Absolute Cinema

[late ravine]

Holy radroach you’re right

That needs to be in the show 🙏

[ripe canyon]

Atom Above, I hope so too

[lilac sequoia]

that city is def 100% ransacked

[astral ember]

It's been 15 years since New Vegas. Whoever wins will have rebuilt the Strip. House, he points out, won, since he had planned to rebuild parts of Freeside and the Strip.

[lilac sequoia]

is it confirmed House won

or is still alive

[astral ember]

Not now

[lilac sequoia]

my guess is if House is alive, the courier left him alive when they sided with either Yes Man, NCR, or Legion

[astral ember]

There's a reason House made a cameo at the end of season 1. They won't introduce the character so they won't use him again.

[lilac sequoia]

and after 15 years, House somehow took back control

[astral ember]

The NCR will kill House later if he is left alive and the Legion would do the same.

[lilac sequoia]

Thing is House was hidden unless you had the platinum chip to access his chamber

[astral ember]

and yes man's ending is the least likely to be canon because the wild card route plays more of a role in player decisions than how nevada will end up

[lilac sequoia]

we dont really know how deep the elevator goes and imo its more plausible they never found him

And imo with Fallout show having diff locations and changes. It doesnt surprise me New Vegas looks diff than in-game

[astral ember]

It will look different from the game because 15 years passed between the game and the Amazon series.

[sturdy tundra]

plus also like, they can just present it as opposed to having to depict scaled-down abstractions due to game constraints

that's The Strip at full scale, just as it is now 15 years later.

For all we know, we might also see how it looked circa FNV's time during the show

S1 got us caught up a little bit on some stuff we missed happening in NewCal, S2 is presumably gonna get us caught up on what's canonically happened in the Mojave since FNV (leaving whatever grey areas for player agency where they can).

[ripe canyon]

Wassup with the crashed NCR vertibird did Kimball lead the charge himself ?

[ripe canyon]

and died lol

?

[lilac sequoia]

No

Kimball is the president

and his life is depending on the player’s choice

meaning he’s more likely, probably, dead

[astral ember]

I dont think so. House need kimball alive

[lilac sequoia]

he needs Kimbell alive so the political direction of the NCR remains in business

Kimbell is not a military general

[astral ember]

House needs Kimball alive for two reasons.

1: With Kimball alive, House can negotiate peacefully with Kimball to keep the NCR army out, and House will benefit from the tourists.

2: If Kimball dies, House will go to war with the NRC once the NRC is annexed, since House will have no one to negotiate diplomacy with, complicating House's plans.

[sturdy tundra]

The house always wins, but the house can always be molotov'd.

We'll find out how things went ostensibly in S2 proper, there isn't really much to discuss at the moment.

[tepid iris]

So in the show, the BOS ship is clearly Prydwen right?

[astral ember]

Yes

[red forge]

Implied yes.

[waxen silo]

its not implied. its literally written on the side of the ship.

[steep cypress]

Not according to Vanity Fair’s interview with Nolan:

“Brotherhood of Steel recruits gaze upon the Vertibirds hovering around an airship called the Caswennan, marveling at the rare pieces of high-functioning hardware.”

https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2023/11/fallout-first-look?srsltid=AfmBOopeWOCk0kA3_0miwl3VGszkWMg73l0gDeD0Zhn8jFcgYxnXswK1

[red forge]

I don't recall that being visible... I'll need to rewatch it.

[red forge]

Again, implied. There's only that caption that cites the name.

[steep cypress]

The name couldn’t have come from anyone other than Nolan. If he didn’t give the interviewer the name, they simply wouldn’t have written anything.

[red forge]

Implied doesn't necessarily mean it's incorrect... It's just not been refuted. "Cannot confirm nor deny".

[cold pollen]

This was before the show's release, they obviously didn't reveal it was the Prydwen because they wanted it to be a surprise

Months before, as this interview was in November and the show came out in April

https://i.redd.it/d1t64p9a33uc1.jpeg

Clearly printed on the side in this pic

[red forge]

Yeah ok I recall now that being the suggestion that BoS ending has been made canon.

[tepid iris]

Or the Minutemen.. There's a ending with the Minutemen where it doesn't get destroyed.

[cold pollen]

Minutemen is definitely more likely to be the canon ending

[lilac sequoia]

my guess is they used that name to create more speculation than what it actually is

[steep cypress]

If they actually didn't want to reveal that it's the Prydwen, they could've just... not show it anywhere before the series came out?

And its name is not at all important in the show, so it's not like the ship's identity is some kind of plot twist. It just doesn't make any sense for it to be some kind of misdirect.

[lilac sequoia]

Its the perfect way to take fans off track and assume its something that it isnt

[red forge]

Truth be told, my first and only play through I sided with Minutemen, but am still yet to complete it.

[lilac sequoia]

to be honest i doubt the Minutemen is the canon ending due to it being a player faction

just like how Yes Man ending is least valid for new vegas

However that doesnt mean i dont want those endings to be possible.

Its very important for the world of fallout to evolve with the player’s choice as an effect

[lofty prairie]

The Journalist could've just made that up.
They even say they got orders from the Commonwealth, implying the BoS there is still active and not destroyed

That and the VFX breakdown clearly shows the name being Prydwen

[cold pollen]

They didn't, the Prydwen said Caswennan in the trailers and promo pics for the show

[lofty prairie]

Where?
I don't see it visible, it's too hazy in the trailer

The only info we have about this "Caswennan" is from that Vanity Fair report

Here's the CGI model from rise.
You can clearly see the name without any overlay effects

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/fallout/images/1/15/FOTV_RISE_BtS_084.png/revision/latest?cb=20240611131258

[steep cypress]

Why in the world would a professional journalist randomly make something like that up?

None of the fan-made explanations for why it was called Caswennan make sense

As I said here previously, the only explanation that seems to make any sense is that they just changed their mind about it being Prydwen after the show was made because they realized it would canonize an ending to Fallout 4, which is something they were asked not to do

Even after the show came out, they claimed that they managed to avoid canonizing anything from the games

[lofty prairie]

Clicks? Clickbaits?
Journos make random stuff up all the time.

[steep cypress]

If he wanted clicks, he would've said it was Prydwen, not a random new ship

[lofty prairie]

Also it's not just the ship.
The show says they got orders from the Commonwealth.
They need to change way more to make FO4's endings as non-canon as possible

[lofty prairie]

It would work eitherway. People were excited about the ship anyway.
Considering neither Nolan or Howard/Emil ever brought that interview up again, something must be up

Todd made an interview specifically addressing NV's canon status after the "Fall of SS" debacle.
None was done for the Prydwen.

[steep cypress]

They show also says Lucy is 25, but they edited the script post-release to say that she's 20 which directly contradicts the show

[steep cypress]

Because the ship's name is nowhere near as controversial as Shady Sands getting nuked before NV

[lofty prairie]

Not just the show. Amazon's official descriptions.
So that's an official change

[steep cypress]

The description still says that Norm is younger

[lofty prairie]

NV is the lowest selling game in the 3D series.
The show made millions despite all the outrage, they had zero reason to appease those fans

[lofty prairie]

He is.
It was a change as well because the script says he's older

[steep cypress]

The script was edited 3 months after the show came out though. So they only changed Lucy's age, not Norm's

[lofty prairie]

But that article was made pretty late.
Any change should've already been done at that point so the ship's name shouldn't be different

[steep cypress]

The CGI shot of the airhsip was already finished, since it was posted in the article

[lofty prairie]

No but the script says Norm is older than Lucy but the official description says he's younger

[lofty prairie]

There's no change in the pic.
Even the wiki mentions the name is clearly the same as the released show

[steep cypress]

The wiki assumes it was a mistake with nothing to back it up

[lofty prairie]

You can see the pic in the article.
There is no difference, it's too hazy anyway

But the word "Caswennan" is certainly bigger than "Prydwen" yet the length of the name appears the same

[steep cypress]

Well, yeah, as i said - the CGI was done before they did the interview and gave it a different name

[lofty prairie]

Again. The only source of the "different" name is that one Vanity Fair article

[steep cypress]

Which relays information from Jonathan Nolan

[lofty prairie]

No other org reported on it.
And none of the crew ever commented on it again

The show also says they got orders from the CW.
Whatever the reason may be, it is what it is.

[steep cypress]

Yes, they changed some stuff after they made the show. As I said, the show tells us that Lucy is ~25, but they changed the script and made her 20, which is impossible. This is the same. Or how we're supposed to believe that Shady Sands was blown up at a date that is never once mentioned in the show, instead of the date that is mentioned repeatedly.

[lofty prairie]

As i said.
The final product and verbal reports is what matters, we can only speculate what happened behind the scenes

[red forge]

Not explicitly. As I've said before, the only mention of Caswennan in that article is the image caption, and it doesn't say that Nolan gives that info. It adds to the list of "implied".

[steep cypress]

This just goes back to the idea that the writer made up a random name for absolutely no reason

And as I mentioned way back, someone supposedly contacted the writer on Instagram and asked him about it. He apparently specifically asked Nolan about whether this is the Prydwen and Nolan said that it isn't and gave him that name.

[red forge]

Well there doesn't seem to be any backing on that contact claim, so it falls under rumour/speculation, so it can easily just be considered implied until confirmed one way or another.

So where has this knowledge been made known?

[steep cypress]

On the Talk section of the Caswennan page on the Wiki, back when it had one

[red forge]

According to the internet archive, the caswennan did have a page of its own for a time, but its dedicated Talk page was not preserved, therefore that knowledge is lost. We go back to consider it as implied.

Unless someone makes the effort again to get that confirmation, the wayback machine option has now been exhausted.

https://web.archive.org/web/20250130170035/https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/Caswennan
This is the last backup of the Caswennan wiki page, before it becomes a redirect to Prydwen. It does show there's 28 comments on the talk page, but that page was not backed up, at all.

[astral ember]

Is the prydwen

[crisp grail]

I cleaned up the trailer a bit in photoshop where its seen in the trailer too:
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1004846461135110174/1306698577501749268/image.png?ex=682ada22&is=682988a2&hm=1a9c1c271721201e09e701e982e4b2d249eba02785ca838843d4b13048c0c6a7&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

just pulled down the whites a bit so the clouds disapear

[tiny tapir]

Ah yes, my beauty

[ripe canyon]

Fallout 4 theme intensifies

[ripe canyon]

Maybe they reused the assets

[ripe canyon]

Exactly so they just reused the assets from the prydwen and made it the caswennan

An example is in fallout 4 where many planes labeled horizon are actually skylanes and others names skylanes are horizon

[lofty prairie]

where season 2

[astral ember]

December

[sage spade]

My Lord and Savior God Howard, give me more Enclave in Season 2.

[vague mountain]

i just really hope they aren’t fan-servicing more this season 😭

[digital spear]

I’m fine with fan service if it’s done tastefully

More liberty prime less “FLINT AND STEEL”

[vernal gust]

Being set in New Vegas there may not be a lot of Enclave :(

[tiny tapir]

Liberty prime would be awsome considering the fact the brotherhood is in the show

[slim night]

Minuteman ending makes more sense. With the institute destroyed, they have no more reason to be on the east coast. They go back to the west coast because of the rising Enclave threat created from the remnants. We also see a teaser for the minutemen as the minuteman radio is played through an eyebot.

[lofty prairie]

The BoS won't just leave a place behind.
Maxson directly says their work still isn't done even in the BoS ending.
They'll fully militarize the place like they did with DC if they can

[slim night]

Yet we still hear the minuteman radio.

[lofty prairie]

It's not the MM radio.
It's a song that plays in the MM radio played by the radio guy in the show

[slim night]

Dude. The Amazon X-Ray LITERALLY says “Minuteman Radio”.

No other radio station plays those tunes. Not even Eden’s Announcements from FO3.

[lofty prairie]

Yes because it's the song that plays on the MM radio.
The radio guy literally says that he's playing the song himself.
It's a joke about how some hated that radio

[lofty prairie]

The music Eden plays in 3 also appears separately in some areas in 4.
They're just songs, doesn't mean only one place can play them

[slim night]

Considering most of the core game of Fallout 4 is built around the minutemen, it would make no sense for them to completely scrap the entire game for a BoS ending. Which btw is one of the bad endings for Fo4.

[lofty prairie]

The core game is evenly spread between all the factions.
It's not like NV where the NCR has like 90% of the content and the other factions get miniscule content.

Besides, it's purposefully kept vague

[slim night]

Fallout 4 has like 90% of the gameplay structured around the minutemen. The settlement system is built for the MM play through. If you join the BoS, they just act as a source of income for you because you force their fealty to the BoS. The RR use them as Synth hideouts, and the Institute does nothing with them.

With the minutemen, it focuses on actual settlement building and recreating the CPG. Forcing you to take care of each settlement and focus on happiness levels to keep them loyal to you. As well as using them to call fellow MM using a flaregun.

[lofty prairie]

The settlement system is completely optional and can be ignored entirely

[slim night]

You also have a whole artillery system built around owning all the settlements which gives you coverage of almost the whole map.

[slim night]

Not really. If you ignore it, you can’t get the minuteman ending lol.

[lofty prairie]

All of which is completely optional.
You can literally do the entire MM questline without messing with settlement building

I have done so in countless playthroughs.
It is by all intents completely optional

[slim night]

You need 8 settlements at least who are loyal to you to build artillery stations. You also need at least 3 settlements to unlock the mission “taking independence.”

If you do nothing to settlements you lose them because of low happiness levels.

[lofty prairie]

All of which can be aquired through normal quests.
There is zero need to do radiant quests or build anything.

Happiness meter doesn't decrease enough for most of them to leave

And again.
You can get 8 settlements where the happiness meter is already enough for you to not bother

[slim night]

If it’s below 20% they can leave. Every settlement starts below 55% and if you leave them alone they drop rapidly. Every settlement is missing at least one resource which impacts happiness a lot.

[lofty prairie]

They will never go below 20% if you choose the right settlements.

[slim night]

Like which settlements? Because every one in a vanilla although for me will go below 20% on Xbox

I have over 7,000 hours in the game and have experienced this with every settlement.

[lofty prairie]

Covenant.
Bunker Hill.
GrayGarden.
Finch Farm.
Abernathy Farm.

That plus the main quest settlements.
Castle.
Sanctuary Hills (which you can't lose)
and that one Hill settlement

[slim night]

Bunker Hill you cannot unlock as a MM settlement, only a RR settlement. Covenant, sure. Gray Garden I’ve lost, and Abernathy, as well as Finch.

[lofty prairie]

???
You literally can after Battle of Bunker Hill

[slim night]

I never get the option to as a minuteman.

Unless my game bugs out every time.

[lofty prairie]

I have.
It's there written on the wiki as well

You'd actively have to mess up to lose happiness.
The MM questline is perfectly doable without messing with settlements building at all

[slim night]

Yeah I never get the option. Always says “you are not allied with this settlement”.

Also, all those settlements add up to 7.

Not 8 for the artillery.

[lofty prairie]

Castle counts as one

Back to the TV show.
We hear them say

"Our mission comes from the highest clerics in the Commonwealth. It is believed that a denizen of the Enclave has escaped."

It's clear the BoS is still active in the Commonwealth. MM ending or not

[slim night]

Covenant (1), Bunker Hill (2), Graygarden (3), Finch Farm (4), Abernathy Farm (5), The Castle (6), Sanctuary Hills (7).

[lofty prairie]

+The Hill settlement.
The very first one Preston sends you to

[slim night]

I always get sent to Tenpines Bluff

and you can lose that one

[lofty prairie]

You can.
Doesn't mean it's easy.
Like I said you'd practically have to mess up yourself to lose it.

[slim night]

Just ignore it and you’ll lose it

Never defend it like a minuteman would.

[lofty prairie]

I have ignored it ever since i first played the game.
Just fast travelling their increases happiness.
Never built anything

And this is going out of the TV show.

Like i said. They say
"Our mission comes from the highest clerics in the Commonwealth. It is believed that a denizen of the Enclave has escaped."

MM ending or no they are still active in the CW

[slim night]

You can have the MM ending with the BoS and RR still alive. Which is the best ending and I assume and most others assume is the canon ending.

[lofty prairie]

What we assume doesn't matter.
They've purposefully kept it vague

[slim night]

A BoS ending makes no sense as they’re one of the bad endings. Same as the institute. The RR also counts as a bad ending because they kill all of the innocent scientists.

And in the end of the game, your character directly talks about rebuilding a hope for the commonwealth. Which is a minuteman thing. Not a BoS thing.

[lofty prairie]

It plays in every ending.
Even the Institute

It's the general theme of the entire game

[slim night]

I understand that lol but it fits with the minuteman style not the institute or BoS or RR.

The institute doesn’t care about a better future above ground. Shaun even tells you this.

He tells you directly that there is no hope for the surface.

[lofty prairie]

Doesn't matter if they care or not.
Every faction wants to do it, that's what the game is about.

However they choose to do it is on them

Bethesda already stated they don't want to canonize any one ending

[slim night]

Okay but your character talks about rebuilding on the surface and directly references settlement building in sanitary hills

[slim night]

But they do all the time lol

[lofty prairie]

Nope.
Never have they canonized one.
They went out of their way to make a multiversal ending in ES

[slim night]

By having the Prydwen in the series they clearly canonized the institutes death.

[lofty prairie]

It still leaves two endings open.
Not one

They'll rule out some. Not all

[lofty prairie]

Which doesn't contradict anything except the Institute who are supposed to be the main bad guys.
The BoS and RR both want a better future for different reasons

[slim night]

The BoS don’t want a better future for the citizens of the commonwealth.

Their only concern is harnessing technology from the institute, forcing settlements to pay homage to them such as crops.

They don’t care.

[lofty prairie]

???
They don't harness anything from the Institute.
They want to help people.
That's the whole reason they wage war, they want to militarize the area so things are safe.

We literally see them go out and exterminate raider outposts and mutant stronghold

They specifically blow up the Institute because they deem their tech too dangerous

The main issue with them is they're extremists.
They'll only help in the way they want

[slim night]

They also agree with killing sentient ghouls. They don’t help anyone lol, they kill raider because they get in their way. They kill mutants because they go against their ideology and are a creation from FEV, a creation of the enclave, their blood enemy. They force settlers to give them crops, no matter if it starves them.

They even talk down on Elder Lyons. Saying that being as charitable as he was, was a mistake.

[lofty prairie]

No they don't.
They're bigots but they don't kill normal ghouls.
They kill raiders because they are a threat.
They kill Mutants because they consider them a threat.

And they don't force settlers. You do.
That choice is entirely yours, you can do it peacefully if you want

[slim night]

It’s a mission that is ordered to you by a proctor. It is perfectly reasonable to suggest in the real world, if you didnt do it, proctor Teagan would send someone else.

[lofty prairie]

Teagan says
"Go get them"
He doesn't say
"Go threaten and scare them"

He leaves it entirely on you how you want to do it.
Danse even comments on improving civilian reception if the BoS is to stay

[slim night]

Danse is then cast out of the BoS for being a synth and killed by Arthur lol

[lofty prairie]

That doesn't change what he said earlier while he was still in the BoS

[red forge]

Hey guys can you please take this to #fallout-lore ? This is all FO4 stuff...

[lofty prairie]

True. Off to lore

To cap off the TV show discussion.
We know for a fact the BoS is still alive in the CW

[slim night]

It’s not. It ties into the topic at hand which was MM presence in the Fallout TV show. Which was the whole topic of this.

[slim night]

Of course we know they are. All I’m saying is the MM ending would be much more reasonable from a gameplay perspective.

[lofty prairie]

It's not up to us.
Bethesda has purposefully left it vague

[red forge]

For now.

[lofty prairie]

Yeah. For now.
I have a felling they'll canonize some of NV too in S2

[red forge]

The only take I feel I can make for now, is that outside of issues with ghouls. BoS simply don't want people who are not them, to have possession of tech they consider that could be weaponised.

THEY want to be the authority.

[slim night]

They are all for killing sentient ghouls. You hear them talking about it in FO4. But I digress.

[lofty prairie]

Depends on the chapter.
Maxson is fine recruiting outsiders who are capable

[lofty prairie]

They are bigots but they never actually go through and kill normal ghouls

[slim night]

They talk about it though.

Meaning they would if given the chance. We just don’t see it.

[red forge]

I learnt that at the end of the BoS quest line that involves the visit to the Glassed Cavern.

[sturdy tundra]

"They haven't actually gone through with it yet" is a pretty tenuous place to defend a bigot at.

[lofty prairie]

Like i said they're bigots but they don't actually do it.
Maxson doesn't allow it

[sturdy tundra]

Those are two different things

[slim night]

Says who? lol
They talk about it openly.

[sturdy tundra]

Maxson doesn't allow it =/= they don't do it. It just means he doesn't hear about it.

[slim night]

If given the chance they’d shoot a sentient ghoul.

[lofty prairie]

It's not explained if he does.
But the official orders they give only say feral ghouls

Like with synths for example they kill all. No exceptions.
But for Ghouls all the orders are for ferals

[sturdy tundra]

And there's members chomping at the bit to violate those orders.

Orders are only as good as their enforcement.

[slim night]

The official orders are ghouls and irradiated mutants. And the BoS considers sentient ghouls irradiated mutants. They call Hancock a mutie if he’s with you at the airport.

They even reference by insinuation shooting him if he strays too far from you.

[lofty prairie]

That's another thing.
Under Lyons we actually hear about incidents of BoS members shooting normal ghouls.

But there's no such reports under Maxson so maybe he does enforce them well.
It's not properly explained

So all in all.
They are bigots but they are officially refrained from shooting normal ghouls... for now

In future maybe they'll take the gloves off entirely

[lofty prairie]

Yes that is another rule.
They don't allow ghouls in bases

[slim night]

They’re no better than the enclave

[lofty prairie]

Partly.
Atleast they do want to help un-mutated humanity.
The Enclave want to kill everyone that's not them

Although the way they've become more extreme with each game.
They may fully become the Enclave one day

In the show they attack and take over Philly by force

[slim night]

Exactly. They’re just the enclave.

[red forge]

But they don't use nukes.

[sturdy tundra]

They do, mini-nukes.

Anything bigger, they've probably just got it locked away.

But they actively employ Fat Mans when they can, see also Liberty Prime throwing nukes out

[slim night]

They have the nukes for Liberty Prime

Which are bigger than mini nukes

[sturdy tundra]

the discerning gentleman's means of removing a problem

bigger boom

Also trying to control HELIOS One, etc.

they use whatever they can get ahold of and spare

[tepid iris]

Apparently Season 2 has finished filming..

And we're gonna have it in December! Wooo!

[fading lava]

Yes December was announced a week or two ago. Hopefully they have the budget for laser weapons this time.

[lofty prairie]

They likely had the budget. It must've been a choice to save it for future seasons as they said they don't want to show everything in the first season

[sturdy tundra]

They explicitly were limited in how much time they could spend on research and presentation thereof

They wanted to do a lot more, and with S2 they've got a lot more freedom to do so.

[red forge]

I think it's fair to say that S1 would have been limited to what to produce, else it could've been overkill. Warm the audience into the concept. Build up the hype. Don't necessarily go full guns blazing on every single aspect.

[sturdy tundra]

Not even overkill, the issues felt more on the general Upper Management™️ side

Like, the entire thing was a major risk for everyone involved given how many other such projects have flopped

So there was a lot of playing it safe.

S1 was a proof of concept, S2 should hopefully be way more open.

[lofty prairie]

They didn't.
They literally said they didn't want to show off too much in S1 and save things for S2

There's far more expensive CGI work in S1 than energy weapon effects.
They could've done it if they wanted

https://www.eurogamer.net/fallout-tv-show-holding-iconic-stuff-back-for-season-2-including-deathclaws

[sturdy tundra]

"They're holding back on stuff for later" and "they didn't get to show everything they might've wanted" are not mutually exclusive statements

[lofty prairie]

They are.
They explicitly said it was a choice

Nothing forced their hand, they chose to not do it

They blew up one of the most iconic locations in the series.

They definitely weren't playing it safe.

[red forge]

ummm... they're kinda the same statement, just phrased differently.

[lofty prairie]

Where can I watch this??

I never bothered but I figured I'd give it a shot

[red forge]

Prime video.

[worn steppe]

Guys what would you rate the show 1-10

[astral ember]

9

[indigo trellis]

9.1

[red forge]

9.2

[crisp grail]

9.3

[keen frigate]

Eleventeen

[astral ember]

The Shady Sands incident didn't kill the NCR, and it was never said that the NCR died when it lost its main capital. They still have power in California, but they're in disarray.

[ripe canyon]

I think the speech 100 ending was canon

[raven mural]

A reminder please chat that we do not allow any discussions of leaks or rumours on the server, thank you

[sturdy tundra]

December. That's all we know.

@frigid wren

[red forge]

What's been made public is all that's known.

Mods and Admins cannot tell us any more than that... and they are unlikely to know themselves this far in advance.

[ripe canyon]

So, will I be banned for it?

[sturdy tundra]

I mean if you were you'd be already.

if you mean "if continued", that's generally where things can escalate to, though there's usually a few steps along the way before ever getting to that point.

The mod said not to, best to not.

[tidal tendon]

To elaborate on the above comment, we try to give verbal warnings before we escalate to account actions, however if we see that you are going to continue, we will take action. We don't want to ban people, but we will if we need to. Keep in mind this is an OFFICIAL Bethesda server. If you share misinformation here or unofficial information and we let it stand, people will take it as fact.

[ripe canyon]

don’t worry I will comply

[rose jacinth]

Imagine a few nuke

[keen frigate]

I like the fallout tv series though

[astral ember]

BGS Discord

Baldur's gate studios discord

[crisp grail]

Laezel abd the Ghoul would be a vibe

[ripe canyon]

What’s Baldur’s Gate

?

[crisp grail]

[tidal tendon]

I'm not sure how I feel about that.

[crisp grail]

Shadowheart and Lucy would obviously get along too

[tidal tendon]

Depends on the Shadowheart. Black hair Shadowheart or white hair Shadowheart? I feel like the former would pretend to like her and the latter would actually like her.

[crisp grail]

lol true true

[late ravine]

I never played bg3 so I have no idea what anybody is talking about :3

anyways back to listening to Sinatra 🦀

[shrewd spade]

Thought I was the last one left... know you aren't alone! 😊

And you like Sinatra, too? Awesome! Great taste in music!

[late ravine]

Tyyy :D

[vital shoal]

I haven't played BG3 either.

[torpid perch]

Good good

[lilac sequoia]

its a classic isometric RPG

Turn based combat, roleplaying with skill checks, etc

[astral ember]

The Original trilogy are

2 RPG game

1 combat tactical game

[deft thorn]

A bit harsh, but I understand where you're coming from.
Could it be that, because combat has become infinitely more complex than a game from 25 years ago, that the combat element just outshines the RPG element more?

There's plenty of RPG in BG3, IMHO.

[winged umbra]

Anyone think Preston might be in season 2?

[red forge]

Wrong side of the country.

[mossy nymph]

I feel like the story of Fallout 4 aftermath would be that Prestons faction was the right choice but Preston dies in between the game and show.

[astral ember]

The season 2 are located in the west coast

[slate bronze]

just hope we can see more in season 2

[shrewd spade]

I'm already wondering about S3... 😅

Also, cool Cinderace profile pic. 👀

[slate bronze]

Thank u :0

[mellow peak]

It’s interesting to see Vegas rather small in comparison to other cities within the game and show. Done in order to mimic the scale of Vegas from the 1950’s I believe but couldn’t it also be because other regions in the Mojave developing instead. Hopeville, Ashton, Big MT. I wonder if we will get too see entirely new towns and cities in season 2. It be a great way to explore more of the horrors of Americas “test towns”.

[digital spear]

putting 20 down rn, a montage of Lucy and the Ghoul walking through locations set to I walk the line by johnny cash

[slate bronze]

would love that

[plush quest]

If Danny Trejo were to reprise his role as Raul for s2, I think the way to do it is 99% digitally. Walton Goggins talked a lot about how difficult it was to apply the ghoul makeup and that seems like a lot for a man as old as Trejo. If they go digital, they could even lean harder into the classic more monstrous 3/NV ghoul look.

[red forge]

Mocap

[crisp grail]

typically, you want a mix

trust me, trying to nail a fully digital face ontop of a real human is quite time consuming and hard to overcome the uncanny valley

Walton's ghoul makeup was a great example of how to to mix it perfectly

humans have one very unique super power and that is recognizing faces

So, there is literally no room for error . 99.9% of the way is a failure

https://www.futureworks.in/case-studies/creating-the-ghouls-iconic-nose-for-fallout-season-one

[waxen silo]

i had to google, i didnt know he was in New Vegas. But I also didnt play as much of NV as I did 3.

[rose jacinth]

New saison in december wouhouh

[crisp crescent]

I think its so stupid They made vault tech nuke shady sands

[worthy sandal]

Real

They were doing so good and felt like a pre war society

[crisp crescent]

Plus if vault tech saw them as a rival they would have nuked them in fallout 1

Bethesda just loves retconing and not listening to majority of fans

[crisp crescent]

Example: Jet

[steep cypress]

Tbf, they admitted that Jet thing was a mistake

[lofty prairie]

Are these "majority of fans" in the room with us rn?

[lofty prairie]

Hank personally nuked Shady Sands because because his wife left for it. He initially didn't care.

[crisp crescent]

In the Fallout universe, Hank MacLean, a Vault-Tec executive and overseer of Vault 33, destroyed Shady Sands on orders from Vault-Tec. This act was motivated by a desire to erase factionalism and rebuild the world according to Vault-Tec's ideals, while also hiding the truth about the surface world from the inhabitants of Vaults 32 and 33, according to the Fallout Wiki

[lofty prairie]

"So she ran away. Like you did, Lucy. And took her children. And she found this wonderful city that was everything the vaults had promised to be.

But then, her husband came after her. And when she decided not to return home, he took the children. And he burned that city to the ground."

Moldaver's dialogue

It was Hank's doing. He recieved no external orders. He still follows VT's ideologies.

The wiki itself explains it like this as well,

"In 2283, Shady Sands was destroyed by a nuclear bomb on the orders of Hank MacLean, a Vault-Tec executive and overseer of Vault 33,"

Where did your explanation come from? It looks like an AI wrote it.

[steep cypress]

Moldaver also said "That’s how Vault-Tec deals with competition. Just like they did 200 years ago." immediately after that

And Betty said she and Hank "buried" Rose together

[crisp crescent]

Maybe if you opened your eyes and looked anywhere online you would see people agree with me

They retconned alot of Fallout 1 and 2

And in Fallout 4 they made the BOS act like the enclave

[lofty prairie]

Because that's what Hank is doing, following VT's ideology.
When Lucy asks if it's true he did it, he admits it. He's the one at the top, Betty wasn't overseer then. He had to give the order

[lofty prairie]

What did they retcon. Tell me

SS's location? That was already moved around between FO1 and 2?

[steep cypress]

I doubt Hank would have authority to single-handedly order a nuclear strike

[steep cypress]

Which was a very minor change that didn't contradict anything in Fallout 1 unlike the change in the show

[crisp crescent]

• Pre-War Jet
• Vertibirds in service before the war.
• Lack of civil unrest in the country before the war.
• You can now somehow hammer nails into an aluminum baseball bat.

[lofty prairie]

If the silo belonged to VT yeah, he would have the authority.
76's overseer was also tasked with securing silos

[steep cypress]

All of the Bud's Buds are just middle managers though

[lofty prairie]

What does the location contradict in FO1?
Just move around V15 and 13 and it'll all work perfectly

[lofty prairie]

Hank isn't

Betty isn't either but Hank was the overseer so it has to be him

[steep cypress]

In F1, you're directly told that Shady Sands is to the north of Boneyard, Hub and Junktown.

It was also built completely from scratch, which we know from F2 was due to it being established with a GECK, instead of being pre-war ruins like in the show.

F2 also stated that it was located on the northern border of NCR territory. which is why there were slave pens right outside of it. This obviously wouldn't work with Shady Sands being in LA, which is very deep in NCR territory.

Not to mention that if you just move Vault 13 to LA, then the story would start right in the Master's own backyard

[lofty prairie]

1. Jet was always contradictory even in FO2. Chris Avellone, the guy who wrote it, had to clear it in the Bible that it was an error and Myron made it because the game had errors in lore.

2. Why can't Vertibirds be in service pre war? They can simply be prototypes like most military tech and we know plenty of prototype tech was used in smaller amounts.

NV also "retconned" the Tesla Cannon as pre war despite Fo3 saying it was a BoS invention from a bunch of different schematics. It can simply be explained as prototypes

3. Where did you get the idea that there isn't civil unrest in most places? Boston is literred with military checkpoints.

4. There was a mag fed revolver in FO1. Weapons were never realistic in Fallout

[steep cypress]

According to Betty in the flashback, Hank was a newbie. And Cooper mentioned that he carried Barb's laundry

[lofty prairie]

You're also told V13 is far away from SS.
Yet in FO2 it's right next to it. Even closer than V15.

It's not in pre war ruins. The pre war ruins are behind the town. The town itself is standing on it's own.

Again, just move the slave pens closer to SS. Everything would work perfectly with altering the map a bit.

[lofty prairie]

So?
The Master wasn't even aware of the most fundamental flaw in his plan.
It's not out of question that he simply missed the vaults

[steep cypress]

Each square on the map cover a lot of land. And Vault 13 was hidden in a random cave in the middle of nowhere.

You can't seriously tell me these aren't pre-war ruins https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/fallout/images/9/9c/SHADY_SANDS_FALLOUT_PRIME.png/revision/latest?cb=20241128025007

You don't get it. The slave pens were there because they were outside of NCR's territory. With Shady Sands being right on edge of it.

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/fallout/images/5/5d/FOTV_Shady_Sands_Elementary_Ext.png/revision/latest?cb=20240430152759

[lofty prairie]

It's not when it's all a dot on a fictional map.
V13 as per FO2's map is literally right next to SS and somehow Aradesh and his buddy went missing trying to find it.

It doesn't matter how hidden it is. Going missing that close to your capital is just embarrassing.

The Pre war ruins are literally behind the Town.
The town is separate. What are you talking about?

They are not built into the pre war ruins

Here's the VFX breakdown.
Look at the crater's position at 0:40.
It's outside the ruins
https://youtu.be/UFI9EK764uc?si=_b6IKTMor4cSAdMw

It's outside the ruins. Not built into them

[steep cypress]

It takes a couple of days for the player to travel between 2 squares. And it is very hard to find one cave in a desert.

The ruins are all over the crater and the buildings in the city are very clearly pre-war. We even see in the credits that building that were part of Shady Sands are also pre-war

[lofty prairie]

They set up trade routes between New Reno, Vault City and Redding which take FAR longer to visit, without anyone going missing.
Yet somehow their leader and another key figure dissapeared searching a location that's literally right next to them.

The ruins are separate from the town. Watch the VFX breakdown. It's near but they're separate. The town isn't in the ruins

[steep cypress]

Don't you think finding major towns is a lot easier than finding a random cave?

You're misunderstanding the shot. Why would they CGI the buildings that are behind the camera? There's a shot right before that where Lucy and Max walk out of a building

https://static1.thegamerimages.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2024/04/fallout-shady-stands.jpeg?q=49&fit=crop&w=750&h=422&dpr=2

Look at where the sign is

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/fallout/images/2/28/FOTV_Official_Trailer_Still_016.png/revision/latest?cb=20240307182328

[lofty prairie]

No it's not when the towns are so far apart. New Reno and VC don't even have tall buildings like Vegas so you can see some of it from far away.

They walk out of a destroyed building that's near SS but still far away from the skyscraper ruins behind the town.
You're the one misunderstanding the shot, the town is near the ruins. Not inside it

The VFX breakdown literally places the crater outside the ruins with a very clear end point which is also visible in the show.
Idk what else you're looking for

Unless you're suggesting there's conveniently a clean separation between the ruins for the town

[steep cypress]

They literally approach the crater after walking through a pre-war alleyway. The flashback also shows us that the building there were pre-war. And the end credits show that places such as elementary school and civic center were in pre-war building too

[steep cypress]

Again, they only model the buildings that can be seen in that specific shot. There's no reason to model buildings that viewers will never see because they are behind the camera

[lofty prairie]

The Buildings are literally behind the town. It's clearly visible in the shot they are not inside the town.
The end credits tell us nothing suggesting the town is built into pre war buildings.

[lofty prairie]

You can see a very clear line where the ruins of the skyscrapers end in the episode itself.
Are you saying there's a very clear separation between the ruins for no reason?

[tidal tendon]

Just a quick reminder to keep it friendly. It is fine to disagree, but stay respectful. No one has crossed any lines yet, just want to say something before it gets too heated.

On the other hand, if you can't have a conversation without insulting each other, please block each other and move on. Or just move on in general

[lofty prairie]

We see them walking some distance before getting near the entrance of the town from the alley. They could've simply walked around the crater for the way the shot is positioned.
It makes zero sense for there to be a random clear opening in the middle of the ruins for no reason.
The flashback shows a brick courthouse. Nothing says it's pre war. Nothing in the end credits say the town is in the buildings or pre war. Nothing claims the civic center or the school are pre war and weren't built by NCR.

Is this fine @tidal tendon, not too offensive?

[steep cypress]

We don't see them walking any distance. They turn right and the next shot is them walking out of building in front of the crater.
I still don't get what opening you mean. We see pre-war ruins on both sides of the crater.
Please, rewatch the credits. Do you think those skyscrapers are post-war? Or that despite having a pre-war architecture and being situated amidst pre-war ruins, the courthouse, school and civic center all just happen to be post-war?

[lofty prairie]

We do. There is a shot cut between coming out of the alley and going near the position where we see that shot of the skyscrapers in the distance.

You're claiming the school and civic center are pre war. Where is it said they are? Why can't they be post war?
We know the NCR built a university in LA, it's been over a 100 years since FO2. They have enough resources to build schools and more buildings

The whole point of the nuking is to show how little VT care about development that isn't their own. They'll nuke an entire city if they want.
SS being that developed makes it all the more hard hitting at how much Hank ruins

Believe what you want. Theories are all fine but don't put them forward as objective lore

There's nothing claiming SS is built into the pre war city so by default the old lore about it being built from scratch stands unless the devs say something

[steep cypress]

So Max and Lucy travel through the city, approach the Shady Sands sign in a pre-war street, then turn around the corner and walk out of the city, walk around the whole crater, and then walk thorough a ruined pre-war building that is outside of the city?

Where is it said that they are post-war? What in the show implies that? Why would there be post-war buildings that look just like pre-war buildings that are built literally side-by-side with pre-war buildings?

There is no mention of NCR building a university. The Followers ran a university in LA and there's no mention of them building it from the ground up and making it look just like a pre-war building.

I mean, considering the only other town in the show is a literal landfill of junk, even refurbished ruins that look intact with 35 000 people living in them would be a huge development.

It's not a theory if you just watch the show and follow visual evidence.

You mean, aside from the fact that it's surrounded by pre-war building? That the characters approach it after walking through the pre-war city? That the town itself clearly looks pre-war? Again, what is there to suggest these aren't pre-war buildings?
And the old lore very much doesn't stand when, according to it, Shady Sands was built far to the north of Los Angeles, wasn't in or even near any pre-war ruins and had a very distinct adobe architecture which isn't present in the show at all.

[lofty prairie]

Yes? There's nothing to contradict it. What would be contradictory is if the town was actually inside the ruins then there'd be a random opening in between the ruins for no reason.

Where is it said they're pre war. Where does the show imply the school and civic center are pre war? The NCR's whole ideology is rebuilding things in a similar vein as the pre war. If they make bigger cities it'd make perfect sense for them to be placed like pre war cities.

Where was this university in FO1 then? It magically appeared later?
The dialogue also says it's under NCR territory.
"Yes, I am. I received my medical training at the Angel's Boneyard Medical University back in the NCR"

Yeah. Just because we don't see any of the other towns from the games we must assume things didn't develop much at all.

There is no visual evidence in the show to say it's pre war.
None of the buildings in the civic center including the school are mentioned as pre war.
The NCR is all about rebuilding things similar to how they were pre war USA. That's their whole ideology be it their governance or military chain.

They even have the President's vertibird be called 'Bear Force One'
Idk how much more literal you can get than that.

The location getting retconned has nothing to do with the nature of the town. All of this is theorizing.
It is perfectly reasonable for them to switch adobe houses with actual brick buildings.
There is zero contradiction.

The old lore stands.

Like i said. Believe what you want. I can't change your mind. This is clearly going nowhere, better to agree to disagree than keep going

[steep cypress]

What contradicts it is that there's absolutely no reason for them to leave the city and approach the crater from the opposite end. And again, what opening are you talking about? There are ruins on both sides, as well as buildings that were part of Shady Sands that are shown to be outside of the crater and are situated between the pre-war skyscrapers.

It is said though obvious visual evidence that is shown on the screen when you watch the show. Where does the show imply in any way that they are post-war? It doesn't.

It wasn't in F1 because it wasn't established at that time? Why does that make you think that it was built from ground up when it, just like the library the Followers were based at in the game, could've easily been one of the numerous pre-war buildings in LA? And of course the dialogue says that because LA is in NCR territory. This doesn't relate to the show in any way.

In what way would the show need to "mention" them being pre-war? When does the show mention that Filly is post-war, for example? And what does NCR's form of governance or naming convention has to do with how they build their buildings, when we see in the games that they had a unique style that didn't look pre-war?

I already pointed out how the storyline with the slave pens in F2 simply doesn't work if Shady Sands is in the middle of NCR. So that lore clearly doesn't stand anymore. As doesn't the lore that states that NCR is north of the Boneyard and is separated from it by several other settlements. As well as the lore that says that Shady Sands and Los Angeles are two separate states in NCR.

There would be no need to go though such counter intuitive line of thought if this was the conclusion the show runners wanted you to reach.

[tidal tendon]

I think it's time to change the subject. Agree to disagree.

[crisp crescent]

Time to start another fire....

Bethesda needs to do better in regards to lore and respecting what players have to say

[crisp crescent]

No, It just works its fine

[crisp crescent]

What? I didn't even spam

[tidal tendon]

First, Dyno deleted it, second, if you want to discuss why you are welcome to in @hearty pasture

[crisp crescent]

Ik I was talking to dyno

[tidal tendon]

Let's not poke the bear please. This tato is on four hours of sleep and at the end of her shift.

[trim quest]

and it doesn't matter if it's still against #rules

DM @hearty pasture if you want to discuss it further

[sturdy tundra]

Players also need to do better in sitting down and articulating the problems they have and how to address those problems, because simply saying "you need to do better" doesn't help anyone.

[chrome shell]

Anyone else hoping the courier, if in the show at all, wont have a specific appearence?

[astral ember]

If it appears (which it doesn't) they must use the courier dubster with the blackjack 21 symbol and Randall Clark's helmet.

[chrome shell]

Absolutely, especially that helmet

[icy vortex]

I'm rewatching the tv series. I finished episode 3 last night. The only things I would change thus far is the trench coat Duster the ghoul wears. It's just too Tattered. I understand and accept it would not be prewar, but dang. Steal someone else's coat that's in better condition sheesh.
Also really did not like seeing the power armor jets malfunction that threw maximus far and fast. As we all know, jet pack ability is super slow in the game and rightfully so. Lifting a thousand pounds should not have you flying like a deflating balloon.

Oh, and also when the raiders went on a killing spree in vault 33, the producers made it look like the raiders had completely overtook the vault, killing maybe 90% of everyone. But then next episode, we see vault 33 residents had raider prisoners. How? When? What?

[red forge]

You can't expect in-game PA mechanics to be 100% faithfully reproduced in the show. Not everything translates between mediums.

Given it's live action, it needs to entertain those who have no idea about anything.

[red forge]

The raiders didn't kill everyone. The vault has combat training, but the wedding was a rouse, which the vault didn't know. The dwellers were not prepared at that immediate time... but it showed the tide turned when Lucy came into the room to find what was happening.

[icy vortex]

It would have been easier to make things slow versus unrealistically fast. Like the 1978 Superman movie. He flew incredibly slow 😆

[icy vortex]

Yes, but by the time Lucy came, It had looked like almost everyone was already offed and even made it seem like just a few were still alive. But yes, thank you for the reminder of the combat training. I forgot about that. If not for that, they could have been completley wiped out.

[red forge]

The first Xmen movies had the Xmen in black costumes, as opposed to lore accurate suits, because they came out during the hype of The Matrix. We're in a world of entertainment where we now have had a live action Ironman. Aside from the 1 time showing of Ironmonger, people are going to have expectations of comparing PA to Ironman to a degree.
Like I said, some things just can't be 100% translated between media.

There needs to be some allowance of creative expression to suit the media.

[tawny wing]

Jumping on top of this point as someone in filmmaking:

Comparing films today to films from the 60-80s is apples and oranges. We’re in a time where people can’t focus for more than 2 minutes on a scene. Having a fight move slowly is boring and will pull the audience out. When action happens, they want action and they want it fast. Doesn’t matter how game mechanics works, it’s about keeping the audience engaged. I mean when playing Fallout (4 in my case.) Everything does happen quickly. I don’t find it takes more than 10mins to clear a dungeon. (Although, Im a baby and play on Easy.) If a fight scene lasted that long i’d be bored, unless they threw in some dramatics like Saving Private Ryan, which Fallout is not.

Honestly, I thought it took too long for || Lucy to kill her mom. I thought that was dragged out too much.||

[silk tide]

Honestly I'm worried about how they'll handle the courier

Like on the one hand thank god they're touching on a player character inSeason 2

But I'm legitimately afraid that instead of portraying them as like the near mythical mailman they are it's gonna be the thing they did last season where everyone's stupid and the serious parts are mostly mocked.

Like the Courier or at least their actions should be weird but I'm worried that New Vegas' protagonist and events are gonna just be a grand punchline

It would not surprise me in the slightest, but lord would it be disappointing

[crisp grail]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=paTlbB8jZkI

Warner Bros put this out about 7 hours ago

[red forge]

Season 1 hardcopy is available in Australia. I've ordered the steel book.
https://www.jbhifi.com.au/collections/fallout

https://www.facebook.com/JBHiFi/posts/pfbid0WbcXEgsRAdr5QdaN6ED4yQvvC8pozz56t7RKE4Ag4zvotdHn5ZdWCuvFpZGTZuh3l

[icy vortex]

I hope they change the instrumental score a little bit for season 2. I did not like the African wailing between scenes. Sounded like Tarzan.

[indigo trellis]

that's the ghoul theme , isn't it ?

[silk tide]

This and the generalization of the entire franchise

Is what I fear for the next entry. Removing all the nuance and little bits and callbacks for just the big tropes going forward

Like how do VT shareholders know what a super mutant is? Nickname only came up post war

[icy vortex]

Yes. You heard that annoying wailing throughout the series and during bumpers or title screen. It was not very Fallout-ish to me. It belongs to old 90s xfiles episodes when the story involves voodoo.

[silk tide]

That and my wider fear that they won’t do the Mojave much justice. But hey maybe I’m wrong and Season 2 will slap. Because otherwise it kinda just feels like them wiping the east clean for no reason

[zealous urchin]

Just re watched a 3rd time lol
Can’t wait for season 2

Sooooooon

[indigo trellis]

I liked it

[sturdy tundra]

Sounds perfectly Fallout-ish to me

It's the California desert, you had those kinds of "tribal" elements in the soundtrack and overall presentation since the original game

Especially in F2 where you literally are a tribal.

[indigo trellis]

I miss Scully and Mulder

[sturdy tundra]

Especially especially, the original games are from the 90's to boot.

And we haven't been back to California since F2.

(Note also FNV mostly reusing the F1-2 soundtracks (deadline notwithstanding))

[icy vortex]

I bought me the blu ray box set 🥰 no regrets

[acoustic hill]

English: Hi all

[lofty prairie]

Most of the score is just normal orchestral work like the games. It's only the Ghoul's theme that is heavily vocal focused

[lofty prairie]

Mostly isn't right.
It uses some tracks from 1 and 2 in some areas. Most of it is still new music.

In fact NV actually has more new music than even FO3. That had 29 ambient tracks. NV has 35.

[icy vortex]

Yes, and I am fine with the rest of it. Slow strings when new scene or area type of stuff is all fine and dandy. It's just that Tribal tarzan part I hope they take out.

[lofty prairie]

Vocals like that aren't really uncommon in the series tho. The classic games had a bunch of that too

And while not the same, Far Harbor's music was also very vocal heavy.

[icy vortex]

Random; I hope we eventually get to see a nuka girl. Maybe not in season 2, but eventually. They better pick carefully and make sure the actress is ALWAYS smiling in every shot. That's a mistake I see in almost all cosplayers is they are too concerned about just looking sexy but no smile at all.

[red forge]

https://tenor.com/view/coroca-coffee-truman-show-gif-19184702

Was hoping that gif wasn't the whole scene, just her part of the dialogue.

[icy vortex]

Yes, a Nuka girl always smiling like this even if its faked 😁😁 or, we're you being sarcastic and asking me "who you talking too?" Lol cuz yeah, I am talking to myself 😆 It would be nice if the Fallout tv show makers occasionally popped in here for some feedback
You never know.

[red forge]

I only intended the first part of the gif where she's delivering her advert dialogue. It was all I could find.

[limpid edge]

Who is the actress? I have seen her somewhere.

[red forge]

Well she's in the Truman Show.

[icy vortex]

Is it just me, or is the show a little better watching it all the 2nd time?

I think I enjoyed all the vault stuff and brotherhood lore the best as the overall highlight.

The show inspired me to do more settlement building with vault pieces.

[grizzled gate]

I think for a first view they had to cover a lot of stuff that longtime fans of the series already know, but people unfamiliar with it needed to have unfold slowly, so for the fans it was a lot of retreading known material and just waiting for them to get to "the good part"

[twin badge]

I pre ordered my Mcfarlane Lucy Action Figure from Amazon

The Fully posable one not the statue

[frosty cairn]

Anyone here have a Pip-Boy 3000 Mk V from The Wand Company?

[red forge]

I'd want to get it, but shipping cost to AU is a bit prohibitive at the moment...

[red forge]

If you do a discord search for "pip-boy 3000" you'll find it being discussed, and 1 person who is showing off theirs.

[winter ruin]

I do, it's really neat, mostly animations and for show

[rose forge]

I have one but I never got around to updating it.

[winter ruin]

Oof need to update mine probably lol

[spring basin]

I need to replay NV before the season drops. I'm tryna catch alllll the easter eggs

[frail trellis]

me and my friend (who i got into fallout because of the show) will do watch party together when season 2 drops. we both are cosplayers so we might watch in our cooper howard cosplays we are making, hes pre war cooper and im the ghoul so this will be so much fun. i have to make fallout theme snacks closer to the date

[raven mural]

As per #rules we do not allow any discussion of leaks or rumours

[wintry elk]

anyone excited for the Halloween Horror Nights house this year? 🙂

[crimson grotto]

Oh my bad

[flint dome]

When is the new season dropping?

[red forge]

December.

[thick patio]

Is there a valid source for this claim? I swear I saw something somewhere sometime about it, but can't remember where.... 🤔

[indigo trellis]

It's on Amazon news on their website

https://www.aboutamazon.com/news/entertainment/fallout-season-2-season-3-prime-video

[thick patio]

Nice

[indigo trellis]

I just got my 4K steel book of season 1, I want to hear the episode commentary with Jonathan Nolan and Walton Goggins

[red forge]

How did you miss this news? 🤣

[thick patio]

Because I work a lot 🤷

[red forge]

It was a not entirely serious question, but otherwise fair.

[icy vortex]

Does anyone else think Cooper Howard's prewar home/mansion looked a little too "real life modern contemporary" and not fallout world retro future enough? I'd attach a picture here of what I think would have been more appropriate if I could. It was during the party scene at his house, I amlost forgot I was watching a prewar fallout scene. It looked like any other TV show. Yes, it was modern contemporary, but a little uninspired and not retro future enough imo.

Do you know those high tech floor standing lamps you unlock from picket fences in fo4? It would be cool if those were actual lights and placed somewhere in his mansion.

[sturdy tundra]

Fallout's aesthetics (pre-war or not) extend well beyond 60's retrofuturism

It's actually a criticism of mine that the series has been delving into that stuff a little too much over time, forgetting the myriad influences even the original game had (which included contemporary sources, as has multiple other games in the series). It's a good thing that the mansion wasn't just another suburban clone.

That party wasn't at his house either, he was doing a birthday gig for the family there.

[icy vortex]

Oh really? My bad. I thought he went into his bedroom for a moment. I'll have to watch yet again.

[sturdy tundra]

His house is in a later episode

It's important to remember the context of those aesthetics too; when Fallout 1 came out, the 60's were only about as old as Fallout 1 is now

It wasn't just because the aesthetic looked cool, it was referencing a bygone era still in memory but no longer in play

just like the divide between pre-war and post-

Even the older music (obligatory mention of the title tracks by The Ink Spots, etc.) is part of that reference, Old Timey™ vibes of better days contrasting the wasteland the world has become in this fictional future.

Just the same, there were modern weapons and references included in the original game, it was never just one single vibe.

the 1960's happened, 2077 happened, and every year in between happened too, just not always the same way it's gone or going IRL.

[icy vortex]

Oh, so I caused confusion when I said the party. I was not reffering to the first episode party where he was the act. I was reffering to a later episode when Cooper wanted to go home with wife and was looking forward to some quiet time, but the wife was inviting people over. This section showed a lot more of the house.

[sturdy tundra]

ahhhh

Well, same difference. He's got money (or did at the time) so he can afford to decorate his house how he wants

[ebon oracle]

If I were to side with a faction in New Vegas, I'd say ||NCR. Reason: to optionally be able to have almost everyone fight against the Legion while aiding the NCR, such as the Boomers, Followers of the Apocalypse, The Great Khans, and even the BoS and the remnants of the Enclave while other factions and friends we made in the Mojave fight to defend their turf against raiders and Legion, and starting to have good relations with the NCR. So many memes and fanmade stuff such as referencing LoTR with Gimli being a BoS and Legolas being the Enclave during the Battle of Mordor (reference to Hoover Dam). Such a compelling climax like how the BoS had Liberty Prime fight against the Enclave in the Capital Wasteland. I love the irony. I personally wish it's the canon ending to NV.|| I will try to do NV for the arguably the best ending for the game before I watch Season 2 of Fallout TV series.

[brisk garnet]

Spoilers! Do you guys think Thaddeus will be a ghoul or super mutant?

[spring basin]

Super mutant

[indigo trellis]

super ghoul

[spring basin]

Immediately thought of buddy

https://tenor.com/view/stranger-things-vecna-you-gif-26173012

[peak fern]

seeing the damn man in 1st season wasn't enough for you?

[grizzled gate]

https://tenor.com/view/harold-bob-fallout-1-fallout-mutant-gif-4474607127938490861

The OG Super Ghoul

[native crag]

☝️

[candid ibex]

I plan on buying one today, because you still can on the bethesda gear store

If youre asking for people that can tell you about it and want a recommendation I have a plethora of unsponsored videos that have very genuine and good opinions

[frosty cairn]

Sorry my message was from a while ago! Totally forgot about it lol

I was curious who here had it. We're building a community of Fallout/Pip-Boy fans over at Pip-Boy.com and wanted to invite you all!

The Pip-Boys by TWC are amazing, I highly recommend them. Def get one if you have the opportunity

[candid ibex]

Oh aight, thats sick

[orchid rune]

Tunnellerbros how we feeling

[rose jacinth]

We will see Beni yes yes ?

[frozen badger]

https://vxtwitter.com/geoffkeighley/status/1956024842718704033?t=aE9KUXMDfuUxP1OD-Kj3zw&s=19

Geoff Keighley (@geoffkeighley)

Fallout: Season 2 is coming to @gamescom Opening Night Live.

Watch the global livestream on Tuesday at 8p CEST / 7p BST / 2p ET / 11a PT.

@falloutonprime @kilter_films @PrimeVideo https://t.co/QBVd8lgVEK

vxTwitter / fixvx · Aug 14, 2025, 4:07 PM

[edgy jasper]

NO WAY theyre doing New Vegas for S2 of the series... i just hope they dont screw it up 🤞

[carmine void]

Can't be worse than the speculation that Ceasar won

[edgy jasper]

i still have yet to watch all of S1 tho, so idk

[carmine void]

S1 was amazing so even if its the worst case scenario it could very well come out great.

Im excited for the music

And monsters

[frozen badger]

Yeah it was teased in the s1 finale

You should watch its very good

[deft hazel]

A tragedy has befallen mankind
(the show got another season)

[frozen badger]

You dont like it?

[deft hazel]

I haven’t liked any of Bethesda’s work since Skyrim

[stiff condor]

So... We are moving east to new Vegas now. Does that mean season 3 will handle Chicago and 4 Boston/DC?

[frozen badger]

I understand that

[frozen badger]

🤷‍♂️

[stiff condor]

Or Appalachia. Could also be the vase

[stiff condor]

just gonna wait and be happy with what ever will get revealed next

[frozen badger]

[blazing bloom]

If they deal with New Vegas in the series I wonder if they will have the Sierra Madre as an episode?

[frozen badger]

I havent thought much about the dlcs, i dont think they will actually go there, probably just mention it.

[blazing bloom]

Would love to see a guest role for ED-E though. 🙂

[deft hazel]

Save yourself the time 😂

[carmine void]

Its worth a watch to form opinion

[deft hazel]

Fair enough but if you care more about narrative than visuals you’re going to be tweaking the whole time.

It felt like watching the Star Wars sequels all over again

[carmine void]

Idk about that bad lol, it wasnt a masterpiece but it was good to see

[deft hazel]

I’d argue it was that bad. The whole
||Vault-Tec launching the nukes plot||
was next level right up there with “Palpatine has returned” or Luke throwing his lightsaber into the ocean

[carmine void]

That i will agree with

Even if its a bit on brand for them to orcastrate the whole thing. I believe the resource war lore more

[red forge]

Watch it. Ignore naysayers.

[deft hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/red-letter-media-mike-stoklasa-don't-ask-questions-just-consume-product-consume-gif-4200167824398708341

[deft hazel]

Modern Bethesda

[tidal tendon]

Let's be respectful please. It is okay to disagree, but not if it is not constructive to the conversation.

[deft hazel]

Can I have some context as to what messages I/others have sent that are not constructive?

[hallow sail]

[sturdy tundra]

We don't know ||Vault-Tec's|| ultimate role in all that, you're jumping the gun.

[deft hazel]

They literally said ||“we drop the bombs ourselves”||

End of story. This equates to ||“let’s kill all the people who would buy from us”||

And no, it’s not about control. It was obviously very much about “capitalism”. Also I am not opposed to anti-capitalist media. I am opposed to bad writing. If they wanted to do a narrative about the flaws of capitalism (which isn’t even what Fallout is about) they could have ||talked about how the companies in the pre-war world lobbied for war, and pushed the war so they could sell weapons and solutions. Ultimately, they would have pushed too far, and the consequence would be that it went nuclear. The difference would be that one is them toting the line as opposed to saying “yeah let’s destroy the whole world”. This would allow for there to still be an anti-capitalist message, about how the greed of men lead to the destruction of man, as well as they could still have their “vault-tec was involved” narrative without actually making the company braindead.||

[spring basin]

I'm pretty hyped for the show. While going to NV is awesome, the || subplot in the vault & bud's buds || has me curious to see where it goes.

[deft hazel]

Considering it is the whole reason the show exists, that “sub plot” should go somewhere. It won’t though

[spring basin]

It probably will.

https://tenor.com/view/ella-purnell-lucy-fallout-fallout-tv-show-fallout-amazon-prime's-fallout-gif-16737684896602123223

[red forge]

We can all only speculate probabilities.

[spring basin]

I guess the question I truly want answered is || which ending they chose. ||

Either one could work

But I think they could really cook with the || Mr. House ending. ||

[red forge]

FO4 will also be the other game that season 2 could reveal which ending is canon.

[spring basin]

Depending on who we meet, sure.

[deft hazel]

I highly doubt they did based on that cinematic at the end of the first season. You don’t just do something like that unless you are straight trolling, or dead serious.

[ebon oracle]

I wish it's the ||NCR Ending with having everyone against the Legion. The Enclave Remnants and the BoS fighting alongside the NCR against the Legion while the Boomers dropped bombs on Legion attackers at Hoover Dam|| is such a climatic thing you don't see everyday. Absolute cinema in New Vegas!

[ebon oracle]

As I stated before.

[glacial bridge]

I’m looking super deep into this, but looking at the new poster, it looks like the team commissioned the original “Welcome to Fabulous Las Vegas” sign-makers, Yesco, to make the New Vegas sign used in the show.

They also made the “Vegas Vic” sign that inspired Victor in NV

[spring basin]

I'm not putting too much stock in the closing cinematic. Mainly because there's 15 years between NV and the show, so truly anything can happen to whomever won the battle at hoover dam, leading to what we saw at the end.

Tbh I want talking deathclaws in the show over || Mr. House || but I'm tryna be realistic lol

[spring basin]

The attention to detail is always impressive.

[sturdy tundra]

Which she's proposing to an entire table of CEO's and other such representatives from the other major companies as a joint effort, and we don't know yet what that even ended up entailing. Again, you're jumping the gun. Story still continues, we'll presumably know more in S2.

As for "not being about capitalism", Fallout's been about several things even before Bethesda took over. Capitalism was one of them. You can certainly make the argument it's become more of a thing than it historically was (and necessarily the series has evolved over the nearly 3 decades it's been going), but that's not what you claimed.

[sturdy tundra]

This is just pure pessimism.

[red forge]

Exactly. The show suggests she's the one who came up with it all, but what ends up being the eventual actuality is all only implied for now. All the "past" scenes that are leading up to how Howard became the Ghoul are yet to flesh out every single detail. Even his "WHERE'S MY FAMILY?!" at the end leaves things open to speculation on what actually happens, as far as I'm concerned.

[sacred lake]

dude they're going to destroy fnv lore what are you on about

[red forge]

Why don't we just wait and see what happens?

[sturdy tundra]

What are you on about?

[sacred lake]

The lore of Fallout 1 and 2, and portions of NV, were either retconned, ignored, or ruined by Season 1

[sturdy tundra]

Small portions, yes. Not really anything the other games haven't done, not really "ruining" anything.

People seriously blow this stuff out of proportion.

[sacred lake]

-Mr. House's character was completely changed.
-Vault-Tec is implied to have started the nuclear war (because 'le Capitalism bad' message, and so they can get their sweet Chinese audiences)
-The Master would have cracked 31, 32, 33 without issue lol. Their entrances are out in the open. Vault 4 would also have been cracked.
-The NCR got destroyed because some random Vault-Tec executive who wasn't even that high of a rank had access to nuclear weapons, so out of spite of his wife leaving him he nuked a city lmao.
-There's some magical Ghoul medicine now.
-Weird T60 retconned lore. No other PAs were even mentioned.
-BOS is somehow back in full force on the west coast for some reason. Which just completely defeats the entire point of the West Coast BOS.

I could go on and on

[sturdy tundra]

• We've seen all of 5 seconds of House so far, two centuries before his appearance in FNV. Not really much to judge his person with.
• No they're not, literally this was being discussed right above your initial comment.
• We don't know what the whole surface looked like in the 136 years between F1 and the show. The entrances might've been buried under rubble and terrain for all we know.
• The core territory of the NCR was destroyed, yes, and that's something they were gearing towards in FNV too (Chris Avellone outright said about how the NCR's had it good for a while and it's probably high time it fell apart). They're explicitly still active elsewhere. As for the nuke, we don't know where he got it from (they are literally lying around here and there and there's still silos and orbital satellites full of them, and given the relative ubiquity of fusion tech and the military contracts and governmental pull VT had pre-War it's only really a hop, skip and jump to go from developing a fusion generator to a fusion bomb), and you're ignoring the multiple reasons why he launched it that don't have to do with his wife.
• After 219 years of this stuff going on and being studied and all the other shenanigans of the series, how is the ghoul serum a problem?
• Only the T-60 showed up likely for budget reasons (this is the first season of a very experimental risk, of course they were gonna play it conservatively) and because the BOS is canonically moving to using it anyway. Likely the other suits will appear in S2.
• Not really full force, we see a single base full of squires and only a handful of knights (who, I might add, had to be shipped in from the East Coast, who are the ones controlling the BOS now). We don't know the status of Lost Hills and even the Mojave chapter had largely rebuilt by the time of FNV, so since the NCR's busted in SoCal nowadays, the BOS in the region at least have room to re-expand.

[sturdy tundra]

Also "random executive", dude's literally the overseer of one of VT's most important Vaults, in charge by VT design. He is Vault-Tec for all intents and purposes of the immediate post-apocalyptic wasteland he's gotta work with, along with the other executives he's working with.

See also V76's overseer, whose specific post-war instructions were to secure any available nuclear weapons before other factions can. For all we know, the NCR was hit by an Appalachian nuke as opposed to something from one of the Mojave silos or whatnot.

[spring basin]

I doubt it lol

Even if some things change, it's just a show based on a game. I'm not too worried about it.

[sacred lake]

-Actually, it's pretty clear his character has changed. For some reason, he's now involved in the top secret destroy world project and thinks the "end of the world is an interesting idea" rofl. Even without thinking about NV, this is poor writing.

-Uh... yes they are lol? They quite literally imply they're going to shoot first for their super evil world domination plan.

-Ok... well, they look pretty much clear of that and there would be signs of collapse outside the doors. This argument is purely guessing.

-The NCR collapsing may have always happened, but it was for political reason, not some Deus ex machina bs where Vault-Tec nukes them (which also makes 0 sense because the NCR was founded by Vault Dwellers lmao). The NCR should also still be present in the region, since its their heartland. Vault-Tec also having nukes makes 0 sense, as ending the world doesn't continue to make them money.

-Because it's never been mentioned anywhere else and they play it off like it's a normal thing. This is some weird thing Bethesda likes to do where they change up Ghoul lore for 0 reason.

-That is true we're going to see other PAs in Season 2, but guess what they are? NCR Power Armor lmao. The NCR didn't use functioning power armor.

-You don't know the status of them because the truth is, Bethesda doesn't care. They never cared. Also, the Mojave Chapter was living underground afraid of people living above them. Doesn't sound very 'rebuilt' to me.

[sacred lake]

So? Things we like should stop being destroyed.

[sturdy tundra]

• We don't know what his involvement was after the meeting. He might've even backed out of it. Presumably, this is stuff that will be followed up in S2.
• This was already addressed, I'm not going to repeat myself as you have.
• As are you, since you're assuming those Vaults were exposed during F1's time.
• Founded many decades prior by people long dead and ideals eroding even as of F2 let alone FNV. Vault 15 also gave rise to multiple local raider gangs such as the Vipers, Jackals and Khans; the whole point of V15 was to be a mess and to see what might come out of it, and one of said things that came out was a competitor to Vault-Tec, which they've dealt a huge blow now that they're gearing up to try and reclaim the wasteland; that is politics, factional war over resources is literally one of our most basic political behaviours and it shouldn't bear reminding that it's been a cornerstone of Fallout's setting since the original game.
• It was introduced in the show, yes. F76 went on to establish its origins (or of a similar drug at least), so "hasn't been mentioned anywhere else" is false.
• You're ignoring both the Mojave BOS forces who were last seen with the classic T-51's (and occasional T-45's) and the Enclave remnants who might still be in the area + whoever might be coming down after Wilzig and the tech.
• The Mojave chapter was on lockdown while things settled up top. The aftermath of the NCR-Legion war gave them an opportunity to stretch their legs a bit and poke out, though there's a significant NCR presence even larger than during the NCR-BOS war, so of course they're keeping their heads down.

I'm not going to continue this conversation, you're an overly pessimistic individual who's draining to talk to and you're not making nearly enough salient (or even just decently-researched) points for me to do anything but point at Brandolini's Law and call it there.

[sacred lake]

I'm sorry if I came across rude or disrespectful, it's just that these types of things get me mad and riled up.

[spring basin]

Lol good thing it's not being destroyed. The show has legit added to my enjoyment of the world, and I'm sorry it didn't land the same for you.

[abstract eagle]

So we’re getting the first trailer on August 19 correct?

[red forge]

Techradar and IGN have suggested it as speculation at Gamescom.

But that's all I can find.

[frozen badger]

https://vxtwitter.com/thegameawards/status/1957433208506651102?t=-DHMpneDHwgsvW4GGbHk5g&s=19

The Game Awards (@thegameawards)

New images from Fallout Season 2.

vxTwitter / fixvx · Aug 18, 2025, 1:23 PM

Norm my guy

||he is probably telling them what he saw in 31, if i had to speculate he will lead a party to find a water chip for the vault||

Spoilers 👆

[marble yoke]

Vault 31 jumpsuits? ||he probably unfrozen bud's buds||

[frozen badger]

Didnt catch that

[glacial bridge]

Bottom left doesn’t look like the Lucky 38, is it the Ultra-Luxe?

[spring basin]

Is it just me, or does it look like macaulay culkin's character in the bottom left pic?

[marble yoke]

could be

but probably not. It was said he was going to play a scientist, ||but if those are bud's buds he's a manager||

[spring basin]

Decent chance. Hard to tell from the angle.

[spring basin]

It does seem to be some sort of Vault Tec corp event, separate from anything scientific/R&D.

[marble yoke]

oh, my bad. I thought you said bottom right

[spring basin]

https://tenor.com/view/its-all-good-thats-life-it-is-what-it-is-thats-how-it-goes-oh-well-gif-15295786

[stable oar]

Anyone else tweak out during the shady sands timeline scene

Dead chat but someone's gotta respond

I'm more concerned with the enclave training dogs instead of the death claws they always wanted to tame

[red forge]

Try doing a search in here about it. I'm sure it's been discussed at length a number of times.

[stable oar]

True

Yep, completely necessary

[red forge]

Some topics have turned into arguments. Would want to avoid reopening old wounds.

[indigo trellis]

context is key

[stable oar]

Sheesh that was a year ago

[keen frigate]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/573643584348356620/1407218853024366674/image.png?ex=68a54e2f&is=68a3fcaf&hm=68d280ee600ad1bf34fa4e41b5558ec884c79b2d8de09673b58c2d64ef50054e&
Just a couple of things I instantly noticed

[grizzled gate]

If they really did get the same company that did the real sign to make the new one, it makes sense that they'd keep the YESCO logo on the bottom, vs the game removing real world branding.

[gloomy monolith]

I hope this line will be in season 2. "Truth is... the game is rigged from the start."

[glacial raptor]

Trailer for season 2 is kinda mid tbh. New Vegas is boring in comparison to the other Fallout games, big miss fr

[hallow sail]

well thaqt's a take i guess

[glacial raptor]

Feel like the New Vegas won't be canon enough

[silent heart]

Trailer was SO good! I'm so excited that we finally have an actual date!

[split gorge]

Omg the DEATHCLAW

Also was Mr House Recasted?

[stiff blade]

I'm not watching the trailers. I figure I'll go in blind

Just like S1

[glacial raptor]

You're not missing much tbh

[split gorge]

I'm not crazy House was Recasted right?

[stiff blade]

I figure the big reveal will be either A, House has been dead for some time and Yes Man has cosplaying him, or House is alive, well and not dead.

[glacial raptor]

Regardless of the outcome, New Vegas fans will be mad anywaysw

[stiff blade]

I'm a new Vegas fan. And I'm alright with whatever happens.

It's like that one guy in a blue suit says... "whatever happens, happens."

[silent heart]

yes, Justin Theroux, amazing actor too

[split gorge]

Any specific reason?

[stiff blade]

Voice most likely

Also, the pre war bits have a few years between 'em

[silent heart]

Who knows! maybe the actor couldn't, maybe they wanted someone more known, he usually studies characters a LOT, so that probably helped, the voice was amazing

[topaz olive]

He emulates house a lot better

[silent heart]

yeah, im so happy he's part of the show now and with such a cool important character

[sacred lake]

guys I guess Caesar didn't die from the brain tumor he was going to die from in New Vegas

[stiff blade]

The show doesn't feel out place after watching the film that inspired Fallout, and Mad Max (as most know it,)

A Boy and His Dog.

Heh heh heh. What a wild trip. It's got glowing ones, sand and rocks, dogmeat, and Vaults technically

[deft hazel]

Very disappointed to see the show go to New Vegas. I always liked how the bad writing stuck to the east coast. Now that’s gone. Even more so than the first season.

[tidal tendon]

It's a great movie. Some of it's a bit problematic in the here and now, but it's an old movie so you can't expect it to be on par with our social standards.

[stiff blade]

Problematic?

[tidal tendon]

I try to get everyone who's into Fallout to watch that movie

[silent heart]

Yeap! exactly this!

[stiff blade]

It's all been west coast choom

[tidal tendon]

I don't want to go into it too much here.

[stiff blade]

That's fair enough

I have a decent idea of what. But I haven't been disturbed by anything put to film in a while

[tidal tendon]

Did yall see the scene with the flashback of Cooper at the party at his house, and he's walking down the stairs, and there's a poster of him starring in A Boy and His Dog? That was a fun Easter egg.

[stiff blade]

A man and his dog ye

Ghoul is basically the fallout fan who's played the games. And is now on the evil run

[tidal tendon]

Ah maybe it did say man. Either way it was a fun catch.

[stiff blade]

I can honestly say, the show holds up to a rewatch

Though.... Sucks to be that Wilzig guy amiright?

[sacred lake]

that character was so pointless lol

and was also the Enclave for no reason

[stiff blade]

Eh. I'm alright with the enclave returning yet again

[sacred lake]

dude why

[stiff blade]

Can't wait to see then twirl their mustaches and try poisoning the water again

[sacred lake]

like, they're completely dead on the west coast. COMPLETELY.

[stiff blade]

Remnants remain last I knew

[sacred lake]

NCR and BOS both hunted down any stragglers after Navarro, and it's been long enough to where any Enclave Remnants are deceased

[stiff blade]

I'd say they missed a few lmao

Like. A whole hidden vaultfull

[sacred lake]

what?

[vivid urchin]

ok, now that i’ve seen the new trailer… how is house not a mummy?

[sacred lake]

dude. The Enclave is dead. It's over. We can let go now.

[vivid urchin]

how is his body still pristine and not in suspended animation like in the game?

[sacred lake]

I think the clips are Pre-War

[vivid urchin]

oh… i actually forgot about those clips already. i was so focused on the deathclaw that it slipped my mind

[sacred lake]

they should have went with the 3/NV design of the Deathclaw

instead of the 4 one

[vivid urchin]

i actually like the 4 version of the deathclaw, 3 and nv’s version to me looked… i’d say lanky

also not very detailed

[sacred lake]

I just want the older designs because they were scarier, and it's also a different part of the country

[vivid urchin]

true

just as long as they don’t look like tactics or BoS’ versions

[sacred lake]

I don't know why Bethesda is so against regional Mutants or Mutant Designs

Just like, keep the Radscorpions on the West Coast

[lofty prairie]

I mean Obsidian put Yao Guais on the west coast as well so it's definitely not just Bethesda

Rule of cool wins out over practicality

[remote crescent]

guys am I going crazy or was Maxson in that trailer

[sacred lake]

They were in Zion

[lofty prairie]

Yeah. Miles away from the east cost settings

Also some amount of regionality does exist. Super Mutant Behemoths for example are an east coast thing

Wanamingos are a west coast thing

[sacred lake]

It was in Zion Valley.... where bears live....

[lofty prairie]

So? All Bears mutated the exact same way? They even have the same name that chinese pows gave them?

Also going by that logic scorpions are apparently common in WV as well so they make sense on the east coast too

[sacred lake]

Wouldn't be too out of the question. They may all have a similar strain of FEV.

And the name Yao Guai also had 200 years to travel the continent

[lofty prairie]

Well then there ya go. East coast has a lot of fev too. Could be the same strain

[grizzled gate]

I'd love more regional variation, but it kinda comes down to the same thing that dictates everything else. Branding, and asset reuse. Same reason every game has to have Super Mutants and BoS. It's just expected at this point that that's the way things are everywhere.

[lofty prairie]

At the end of the day tho it is just rule of cool. People like these creatures so they're brought back

[sacred lake]

It's such a shame

There could be so much more creativity

[viscid ice]

i mean theyve only actually returned as a fully functional faction one time in fo3. I wouldnt really call a small reference in fo4 and a group of veterans in fonv a return. people harp on the enclave being some over used faction when their only really the big bad in two games. you could make a argument they were important in fo76 but even then they were all wiped out by the time the game actually starts and they had no contact with the wider faction when they were alive. i think the fallout fandom has a poor habit of repeating what youtubers say alot even when it logically doesnt make sense.

having said that i really hope the enclave arent just doing a genocide again they tried that twice now god please do something new with this faction we dont need a third re tread

[stiff blade]

I hope we get the "Restoring America through the power of Science," bit

Though, I'm a glass half full kinda choom

[dim storm]

I love this series ❤️

[mellow viper]

Also Caesars legion didn't die, that's one of 4 endings out, ncr got cooked in season 1 so that's 2/4 out so either it's the yes man ending or Mr houses ending to FNV

[dusty crater]

*looks at ncr flag

[mellow viper]

I swear the NCR better exist in some way in lore still and not just wiped out by the brotherhood of hype beasts

[dusty crater]

ncr > bos

imagine how many headcannons this breaks lol

[mellow viper]

I hope the writers keep things vague, they are treading on such highly valued ground and lore I fully expect that there's going to be a TON of people mad

Also the vault they showed off might be vault 0

Just my thought about it

[placid sky]

That trailer has me sobbing with tears of joy. Damn I love New Vegas

[autumn jay]

I’m big excite

[viscid ice]

i cant lie im pretty syked

[autumn jay]

Fallout is my favorite franchise

I just wonder how they’ll handle the endings. Will we get a definitive answer or will all the factions still be alive just not fighting anymore

[viscid ice]

fallout 1 and 2 have canon endings so does fo3 and fo4 now im sure well get something

my money is on a failed mr house ending

[autumn jay]

Personally if they pick an ending it has to be House since house is Vegas. Or a yes man ending but house is still alive

[autumn jay]

Or this

[viscid ice]

i mean victor shouldnt be around if its yes man soooo

[autumn jay]

I want house to win tho 😔

[tawdry cove]

It might not be a canon ending after all but a mishmash for the show and something we can't achieve through the game

[autumn jay]

True. The fact that victor is alive says house.

[autumn jay]

Like no winners at hover dam. Everyone just kills one another then everyone back off

[viscid ice]

i dont hes a autocratic capitalistic facist with delusiouns of being some man made techno god. honestly that fluff piece he automatically puts out of he dies in game is such nonsense propaganda its funny

[mellow viper]

I just don't want the NCR to lose

[tawdry cove]

Yeah. I'd be very surprised if Caeser was still around tbh 💀

[viscid ice]

he could be if arcade came into his possession

[tawdry cove]

Honestly, I doubt they lose. I think the Mojave will be more or less the same even though all the infighting for the war never changes theme

[autumn jay]

Yeah but I don’t like the legion, the ncr is ok but I wouldn’t want them either. Yes man is to much caos.

[mellow viper]

I've been wearing this for 4 years daily now, it's can't be for nothing
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/946942461706665995/1407476251882553466/PXL_20250819_212750187.jpg?ex=68a63de8&is=68a4ec68&hm=ac070cc1e68d8cd0530a180634fb898a435e7f22d0cb19c01e6515fccea7d4e1&

[viscid ice]

yeah theres honestly not really a happy ending in vegas no matter how you slice it

[autumn jay]

They are still around but probably pulled out of Nevada

[mellow viper]

Goated hat btw, bought it when it came out and it's been with me since

[tawdry cove]

^^^

[autumn jay]

You should be worried if I said I wanted the legion lmao

[tawdry cove]

😨

[mellow viper]

Honestly I hope it's the yes man ending with house being disconnected and not killed

[placid sky]

I hope we get a courier easter egg in the show

[tawdry cove]

Deathclaws though! I hope they make a mistake of going through the quarry...

[mellow viper]

Everyone gets the boot

[tawdry cove]

We need it for sure

[autumn jay]

House is only in charge of NV only. I don’t think he’d be interested in any other part of the wasteland. Whereas ncr and legion want to take over everything

[viscid ice]

cant, victors there

[placid sky]

House definitely only cares about his assets

[autumn jay]

This is something I could see

[viscid ice]

it has to be house simply cause victor exists in the show.

[mellow viper]

The robots would still be around either way

[viscid ice]

victor gets killed in yes mans ending

[mellow viper]

Not that I remember, he just kinda disappears

[autumn jay]

I know house has his problems too but he doesn’t want to take over America just new
Vegas

[viscid ice]

you fight him in the lucky 38

[placid sky]

I don't see them making Arcade being sold into slavery as canon tho lol

[mellow viper]

There's a way they can make it work

[viscid ice]

and even if you didnt yes man takes control of all securitrons.

the show has to be a varient of a mr house ending

[autumn jay]

I thought he disappeared? I never remember fighting him in the yes man

[placid sky]

I know that's what I'm saying. He only cares about his assets and things specifically of interest to him. Such as the bunker in Caesars fort, but the fort itself he could care less.

[mellow viper]

I can vaguely remember it but it's really easy to avoid him, just run to the exit

[viscid ice]

he turns hostile like all the other securitrons

i suppose you could just run past and kill/disconnect house and avoid fighting him though

[autumn jay]

That’s why I think house is the best. He gets new Vegas and maybe Hoover dam but leaves the rest of the world mostly alone

[placid sky]

He definitely makes a great autocratic antagonist

[autumn jay]

I must just kill him without any thought when I pick a different ending

[viscid ice]

i mean i guess but hes not exactly good for the wasteland. and i dont trust him at his word on his intentions. he wants the courier to work for him as a tool why wouldnt he lie to you to side with him

he frankly has no reason to be honest

[mellow viper]

Oh boy here comes the 2 hour long video essays on how "Bethesda ruined fallout new Vegas"

[placid sky]

Ugh don't remind me

[viscid ice]

god please no im so sick of that crap. new vegas fandom is geniunely mentally rotted

[autumn jay]

Yeah but house hasn’t lied to the courier to my knowledge. That doesn’t mean he didn’t but we have no evidence

[autumn jay]

Yeah lmao

[mellow viper]

I love new Vegas but the people who relentlessly defend it and hate on other fallouts are sooo annoying

[autumn jay]

I like all fallouts. Except 76 we don’t mention it.

[placid sky]

As a certified New Vegas fan myself, I'm happy to see how it all finally ends, to learn what happened after the end of the game. Plus it's gonna be so great going back to familiar locations and seeing them brought to life.

[mellow viper]

Here's a drinking game, go on the FNV subreddit and say fallout 4 isn't that bad and take a shot for every down vote, down the bottle of the post gets removed

[ebon oracle]

I want NCR to win.

[viscid ice]

same. granted new vegas isnt my favorite entry (fo1 my beloved) but new vegas fans are so awful to be around and they are such posers half the time talking about how classic fallout fnv is with out actualy playing classic fallout or just generally being smarmy dickheads. only thing worse is the no mutants allowed forums

[autumn jay]

The world of nv is kinda poopy compared to 3.

[mellow viper]

76 is fun for what it is

[placid sky]

I love em all except BoS and Tactics. We don't talk about BoS

[autumn jay]

You’d be dead

[viscid ice]

i enjoy 76 as a casual experience sometimes with friends . i dont really treat it mentally like a mainline entry

[mellow viper]

Personally I enjoy fo3 quite a bit more map and theme wise

[autumn jay]

Because who doesn’t want to explore the capital?

[placid sky]

Todd please remaster 3 and New Vegas, and my life is yours

[autumn jay]

It seems like Maximus took the cold fusion.

In the poster

[placid sky]

Yep

[autumn jay]

That’ll make the BH very mad lol

[viscid ice]

i like fo1 the most and fo2 the least personally. generally i enjoy fo3 and fnv and i like playing fo4 with some heavy modding and even 76 to a extent but only with friends

[placid sky]

Pretty sure he took it at the end of season 1

[viscid ice]

id only really like that if they optimized it properly instead of how they handled re-blivion

[autumn jay]

And the kings seem to be ghouls now. So I wonder how they were was turned.

[placid sky]

I personally really love the oblivion remaster but I'm heavily biased.

[viscid ice]

id love it if it ran properly on anything that isnt 2000+ dollars

[placid sky]

My series x isn't $2,000

[autumn jay]

They should’ve had a NV remake or remaster ready for season 2. It would’ve sold massive amounts

[viscid ice]

fine *any pc that isnt 2000 dollars

[placid sky]

Trrrruuue

[autumn jay]

If we get a NV remaster in 2 years it won’t have the same impact

[placid sky]

Or even a Fallout 3 remaster releasing alongside the show would be great to profit off the hype

[autumn jay]

I’m just happy we are getting anything fallout. I need more

[viscid ice]

im so sick of forced ray tracing and dlss instead of just properly optimizing assets and engine performance all for graphics that honestly dont look much bettter than stuff from 5-10 years ago just due to how graphics have platooed visually

[autumn jay]

Season 3 in the capital wasteland then release fo3

[viscid ice]

why the cw? the show seems pretty set in the west coast its quite a trip to get allthe way there

[placid sky]

I mean it might still have an impact. The show itself definitely brought on a lot of new fans into the fold, and they know we've been on our knees begging for a remaster for awhile now I'm sure.

[mellow viper]

Honestly from my perspective you really can't be that mad about rt, there hasn't really been a mandatory GPU feature for a game to run in a LONG time whereas the 2000s had new games constantly coming out that weren't compatible with your older card

[autumn jay]

I was just throwing it out there. Season 3 in the CW now watch the show then go play the remake. It would sell

[placid sky]

For writing purposes I feel like it would be really weird to jump from the west coast straight into the capital next season but if they could find a way to make it work, maybe?

[autumn jay]

Yeah it doesn’t make sense just brain storming

[placid sky]

All good lol

[viscid ice]

pretty sure i can but go off right now currently computers are pricey.

[mellow viper]

You can find a decent RT capabale card for under 400$ nowadays

Hell Intel ARC cards are decent at RT and those are like 200$

[autumn jay]

I mean if the BH hq is still in DC maybe Lucy could be captured by the brotherhood then sent to DC. After all the who knows what else could be in the CW

[viscid ice]

400 isnt cheap most people need to worry about rent, food, medical expenses and most cards at that level can barely handle new releases

[autumn jay]

That’s why console is best in my opinion.

[viscid ice]

i prefer the freedom of a pc but thats just me

[mellow viper]

Series s, 300$> used

[viscid ice]

ok and?

[mellow viper]

There's options, forced RT ain't that bad, anyways back to fallout

[viscid ice]

well well just have to agree to disagree.

[autumn jay]

Yeah I understand just pc is expensive if you want to play decent and not 1080 30

We didn’t see the white glove casino. I wonder if they’re all gone

[mellow viper]

I have both but I prefer console, easier to transport and far less troubleshooting

[viscid ice]

it would be one thing if i just was playing video games, im a 3d artist by trade. i need to use a computer so i dont bother with consoles

[mellow viper]

https://tenor.com/view/todd-howard-it-just-works-bethesda-this-all-just-works-gif-20598651

[autumn jay]

Or the van graffs casino

[mellow viper]

Considering the BOSs view on cannibalism, prolly got turned into fertilizer

[autumn jay]

lol

I fixed them tho

The ncr probably didn’t like them either

[viscid ice]

i think its safe to assume that while freeside is mostly fine the strip its self is fairly ruinedu regardless so i wouldnt expect any of the big casinos to survive

[autumn jay]

But seeing their creepy masks irl would’ve been neat

[mellow viper]

Pretty much every faction in the Mojave views cannibalism badly it's not gonna end well

[mellow viper]

I could've swore I saw the strip partially destroyed in the trailer with the death claw, it could also just be one somehow got in and not actually be destroyed

[autumn jay]

I wonder if we’ll see anything like the cloud, ghost people or even tunnelers since at the end they said these things would eventually make their way to the Mojave

Imagine in one episode we see vaguely a blood red cloud with glowing green eyes in it 😨

[vocal zenith]

Why would The Legion be there?

[ebon oracle]

I really wish the NCR won the Second Battle of Hoover Dam. ||Maybe the Legion we see in the teaser might be remnants lead by Lanius after the death of Caesar and the Courier used his battle of wits for the Art of War to get Lanius to retreat. And since Lucy in the teaser presumably gets captured by Legion, that would make me fear what would happen to Lucy. You know how the Legion is with women. It's scary.||

[vocal zenith]

Did anyone see any NCR remnants? Victor is still around, so is house still kicking?

[quaint onyx]

Will get a avable purchase of prewar hanks pip boy

[ebon oracle]

I don't think so. But Todd already stated we didn't see the last of the NCR. We'll probably see them.

[autumn jay]

It’s probably be that no one captured Hoover dam. And all factions are hurt and trying to recover

[autumn jay]

The ghost people

[ebon oracle]

Or maybe one of them did, but something happened in the Mojave after the battle of Hoover Dam. Something that caught them all off guard after the second Battle of Hoover Dam.

[vocal zenith]

Legion captured the dam, then maybe tunnelers scared em off?

[autumn jay]

Yeah but if they want to keep the ending vague they couldn’t say who won

[ebon oracle]

I don't want to believe the Legion won. They are doomed to fail. One of the likely victors of the second battle of Hoover Dam might either be House or NCR.

[vocal zenith]

Exactly, ths tunnelers or something else dismantled them, and maybe that group was one of the remnants

[marble yoke]

What are your thoughts on who Lucy and the Ghoul are talking to at the beginning of the trailer?

[autumn jay]

They’d be wild if they said hey guys the legion won but we blew up the institute

[elder nebula]

Season 2 trailer got me even more hyped 😊 I’m chomping at the bit

Let’s go!!

[autumn jay]

Same

[ebon oracle]

I mean, think about it. A climatic battle of NCR with the BOS, Enclave Remnants, Boomers, Great Khans, and with medical aid from Followers of the Appocolypse, fight against the Legion, is so climatic in New Vegas, and to make it more tragic in Fallout Season 2 that one of the victors of the battle have lost control of the Mojave, thus continuing the theme of how tragic war is and war never changes.

[vocal zenith]

Think we will get more stuff on vault 31?

[autumn jay]

You forgot Mr house. He’d be at Hoover dam

[ebon oracle]

Yes, I know. It's just that one of the reasons I chose NCR is because you can optionally have the BOS fight along side the NCR against the Legion. House and Legion want the BOS destroyed. I know there's Yes Man and we can optionally have the BOS spared, but where's the fun in having alied factions fight against the Legion?

[autumn jay]

Or the red cloud and ghost people. Elijah said that the cloud would also reach the Mojave. And the ghost people would follow the cloud

[vocal zenith]

What does Coop have to do with House?

[ebon oracle]

House has a connection with Vault-Tec, and Vault-Tec has a connection with Cooper Howard. House is naturally not friends with Vault-Tec, and only wanted to keep Las Vegas/New Vegas and his work and accomplishments safe.

[autumn jay]

Yeah the ncr and bos were together. House and legion were also fighting. Then the enclave, great khans and boomers. It would be a massive battle.

[vocal zenith]

Hiw long after does the show take place after NV