fallout-tv-series

[frail trellis]

https://tenor.com/view/ohh-gif-13342724363430229217

[ebon oracle]

YES! ||Fallout TV show won the Game Awards! Suck it Paramount!||

[final hearth]

Sneaky New Vegas mention too during the speech. Can't wait for S2

[lofty prairie]

https://imgur.com/a/GcLzTQ9

[distant breach]

what a horrible photo

[lofty prairie]

I posted in starfeild chat how either Todd is. Very short or Ella is extremely tall, but also just realized the meme potential of this picture

[distant breach]

pretty sure is ella is wearing heels

[lofty prairie]

Someone told.me Todd is 5'6" which is indeed very short. Ella in Heels is probably only 5'11"

Though she does look lovely.

[distant breach]

agreed

I'm still waiting for the mafia trailer

[lofty prairie]

They have snoop dog.performing right now, so waiting till this is over, I want tonsee if elden ring DLC wins game of the year.

[distant breach]

im heading to off topic #off-topic

[silent summit]

Yay we won!

[frail trellis]

congrats fallout!!!!!

https://tenor.com/view/fallout-show-the-ghoul-cooper-howard-gif-5087114750724411512

[mental mortar]

We Won !!! 🙂

[crisp grail]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1004846461135110174/1317210135906615419/RDT_20241213_1106335010336740037800218.jpg?ex=675ddb08&is=675c8988&hm=58efafd126529aba04d96a79379d0f5b7ff209956c2947a87d1ac4c497645cc0&

[red forge]

HA! He legit said it... I missed that part of show due to work.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WV3RSU0BnU4

[frail trellis]

walton!!!!!....gah im so glad fallout won

and also im disappointed ...i posted my ghoul edit last night to congrats to fallout and MAN! did i get attacked in my comments..it got so bad that i just deleted the post and just closed the app, what made it worse is that i had to email support because i was being spam reported by these trolls...like the heck. i dont know if anyone else is getting this but it sure sucks

[crisp grail]

😢

twitter?

[broken wind]

Didnt fallout win two emmies earlier this year too?

season 2 will be an insane success ngl. only problem is that some nv fans will become full crybaby

[winged kelp]

so whats going to change?

[broken wind]

something with new vegas being canon

[winged kelp]

they could make it irrelevant since new vegas is already in ruins by the end credits of season 1

could be a yes man ending I guess and every faction survived

[frail trellis]

It was my tiktok

[crisp grail]

oh yeah tiktok can be brutal

[frail trellis]

But I usually have my filter on that I have to approve comments because I do have followers that aren't 18+ but they were getting through regardless and man... I had to put my phone down and cry a little

It got really really bad..

One comment made me lose it completely and I just deleted the post

[crisp grail]

[frail trellis]

I don't think I can say it with mods coming in... But It was.. I deserved the trauma I got from a con I was at

I'm trying not to say it completely but I think you can guess

[broken wind]

I only now realized that the Fallout TV show's plot is literally a copy of fallout 3 main questline, you first see lucy growing up, dad goes missing, you leave the vault and go to a nearby settlement, do a favor for a local and they help you find your dad, u stumble across the BoS, you find your dad trapped and then eventually you get infinite power for the area which in Fo3 was Purified water

[agile nova]

At least it was lore friendly, lore accurate,and heavily implemented almost all the features in the game.
Not a sick joke like SEGA made "Like a dragon" / yakuza tv series

[frail trellis]

And I have to say care went into the show to make it accurate as possible

[red forge]

They had to to make it canon, aside from easter egging.

[frail trellis]

I enjoyed it a lot

[keen arch]

I did not enjoy the ncr cover up

That was the worst part everything else was amazing

[lofty prairie]

They should make Giancarlo Esposito an enclave member in the show fr fr

[keen arch]

That would be 🔥🔥🔥

He should consult people on crushed up mentats

[lofty prairie]

He’d be the ceo of a pre-war chicken restaurant chain

[keen arch]

And secretly posses crushed up mentats and owns a mega drug empire on the side

[crimson current]

https://tenor.com/view/soldier-surveying-fallout-brotherhood-of-steel-gif-4416341983506173539

[crisp grail]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1004846461135110174/1321580533142261800/image.png?ex=676dc148&is=676c6fc8&hm=7508a0b8439805bd2cc738b0bbccfb1a93fc46fc29cd2b62a02fec9301b10efc&

[raven mural]

Sorry Maximus

[red forge]

She got her own Dogmeat.

[raven wolf]

I don’t think this is really the same storyline although if it was Bethesda just bejuked us by doing the same family member goes missing plotline three times in a row

[broken wind]

Bethesda really moves missing family and east coast brotherhood

[lofty prairie]

I mean hey if Black Isle/Obsidian can love their chips and the Great Khans so much. Same thing applies here ig

[raven mural]

[random furnace]

What is this from

[lofty prairie]

Looks like the live action wanderer trailer for FO4

[crimson current]

wdym

[random furnace]

the power armor guy gif

[crimson current]

um the tv show

[random furnace]

I don't think so 🧐

[crimson current]

I do

I remember that was short after when Maximus """borrowed""" Knight Titus' Power Armor

[lofty prairie]

It's from the live action wanderer trailer for Fallout 4
https://youtu.be/kH37zkOr7qk?si=CD2EPlNHk_iXQFF0

[random furnace]

Ok

[random furnace]

nah cuz it ain't painted fr

[crimson current]

ohhhhh ok

[trail zinc]

I feel like the power armor from the trailer looks better than the one from the show

Maybe because it walks similar to the one in game?

https://tenor.com/view/fallout-show-maximus-power-armor-gif-3201530900257498523

Yeah, it's sluggish in comparison

Here it feels and shows he's carrying the suit but in game and the trailer you notice the suit carries itself

[lofty prairie]

The power armor in the trailer was cgi. The one from the show is a practical prop

[trail zinc]

I knew it was a prop in the show, wasn't aware they used cgi for the trailer

To some extend maybe yes

[lofty prairie]

The PA and Super Mutants in the live action trailer were CGI. But most of the other stuff is real

[trail zinc]

So him getting in the suit is also cgi?

Him getting in is why i thought it was a real thing

[lofty prairie]

The getting in part is likely real.
If you look closely, the armor looks different than the shot that comes later

[trail zinc]

I'm on phone atm, hard to tell

But i suppose i'm a bit disappointed if they made a real suit to get into but didn't use it for the rest of the trailer. I'm leaning more towards it's all cgi unless they used that prop to make the suits for the tv show

[lofty prairie]

It's a static prop in that one shot even if it's real.
Designing a prop one could wear for and move around for a couple seconds would've been harder.
Better to use cgi there.

[trail zinc]

Fair

[lofty prairie]

In the show however the armor appears longer so here it's much better to use a prop than cgi

[trail zinc]

What do you mean with longer

Higher?

[lofty prairie]

No i mean the armor only appears for a couple seconds in the trailer vs multiple episodes in the show

[trail zinc]

Oh right, yeah it's a main aspect of the show

I just want that power armor pistol in game

[red forge]

If that's Maximus in that scene, also consider his inexperience in PA that shows clumsy movement.

[trail zinc]

Right but the suit is an exo skeleton so technically it walks on its own

[red forge]

Well they gotta demonstrate his inexperience somehow. /shrug

[lofty prairie]

Meanwhile you’re able to easily use power armor without having to do any training in 4 and 76

[red forge]

Well there wasn't exactly any usage familiarisation mechanics, or a usage experience progress system or whatever, whether for gameplay or RP.

[lofty prairie]

Should’ve been imo

[red forge]

Not wrong. Could've enhanced it a bit.

[lofty prairie]

You can do that in every game except 3 and NV.

Plus not everyone is a natural. Some take longer to get used to something than others.

The Chosen One is FO2 knows how to drive a car without any prior training

Maximus just needed some time to use the armor properly

[crisp grail]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p18jwkn3F_E

Chris Nolan interviews Jonathan Nolan about Fallout

[lofty prairie]

ok nerd (joking)

[frail trellis]

im excited friends...i just got more stuff for my ghoul makeup, my christmas was late because of the strike so im getting everything slowly

[trail zinc]

Cars aren't that difficult imo, especially when it's an automatic

[frail trellis]

me and my friend that i got into fallout recently, we both just finished the show and it was his first time watching it and he loved it.

[lofty prairie]

Ya know. I have a theory that the 'Sinclair' that appeared in the show wasn't the Sinclair we know from dead money but an older relative of his (Dad or something).
It could explain why he looks much older and is also an executive of Big MT. rather than just a client

[crisp grail]

https://www.eurogamer.net/devastating-los-angeles-fires-shut-down-fallout-season-2

[red forge]

Thankfully they hadn't yet already started.

Furthermore it'd eat into their budget if they had to do reshoots if they had.

[frail trellis]

they started filming in November and been filming for almost two months, i should have realized they had to stop filming when walton posted himself going to the airport and going over seas. i hope everyone is okay and states around LA very scary times

[ebon oracle]

Pray for the NCR.

[ionic musk]

I wonder how big the enclave will return in season 2.
On the West coast, we have the research site, and likely other Smaller garrison bases, reasearch bases, Listening posts etc, while i think the east coast May even have entire states controlled by them, due to the whitespring, Mt weather, BOMB-1, BOMB-2, Maybe Archimedes, Norfolk naval base, Chicago, Presidential bunker, And Macarthur Army base.

Will be exciting to see The enclave getting revenge, imagine a fight scene like the NCR except both sides have PA, vertibirds, and Badassery.

[ebon oracle]

I know this might sound inappropriate commenting about this, but what if they decide to film at destroyed houses in LA as a Fallout post apocolyptic world? I know that wouldn't happen since people want their houses repaired right now. I'm just wondering.

[frail trellis]

I feel like they won't because of poor taste but I see what you mean

[ebon oracle]

Yeah, I know. I can't blame them. Come to think of it, that would sound a bit unprofessional. It's just a thought. But doing so is not a good time when people lost their homes.

[frail trellis]

That's why .. It be unprofessional and people wouldn't appreciate it. I do think they already use places that are abandoned technically

[ebon oracle]

Yeah. I get that.

[frail trellis]

Walton express how the location he was in is so far from the hotel he's at during filming that he slept in a van for couple days.

So I guess it's why they stopped filming to cause they are far from places that it be unsafe for everyone

[ebon oracle]

Yeah, that's reasonable.

[rapid holly]

In fallout 4 Nate is a military veteran from the battle of anchorage he learnt from his comrades and for 76… the vault probably had power armour training

[frail trellis]

Nate used power armor in Alaska, so it's safe to say in 4 we know how to use it.

[gleaming meadow]

Vault 76 was to host the "best and brightest", it would make sense for that vault to also house elite soldiers to protect the others when time came to rebuild. My head canon is that it's either that or they had extensive simulators / training facilities in that vault to prepare for the future.

[gaunt fulcrum]

https://youtu.be/hG3uBgQmTnk?t=46

nate my fav war criminal

[rapid holly]

He’s a war criminal?

[red forge]

Not confirmed.

[minor lark]

The dev also retracted that post literally the next day and said Nate was "a random soldier" not the one in that intro scene.

[crisp grail]

Fallout has been nominated for
"OUTSTANDING VISUAL EFFECTS IN A PHOTOREAL EPISODE"
for the Visual Effects Awards
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/138563003812544513/1328810680849137704/image.png?ex=67880ee2&is=6786bd62&hm=e75de9483597a9d4e0d195fb68f0174a5bd9c16d47b18e8f72beb3c7b532f6ca&

[primal sonnet]

Just marathoned the show... Great. I hate having to go back to the real world.

[raven wolf]

The female protagonist, Nora I think, doesn’t know

[raven wolf]

“The dev”

Literally the lead designer and lead writer of Fallout 3 and senior designer and writer for 4

He is a developer but calling him just a dev is a bit undermining

[gaunt fulcrum]

no lol its js for funny its already been proved false

[rapid holly]

oh

[rapid holly]

Well for nora it would be a “nah bruh I just know” type of thing

[vital shoal]

It is entirely possible that Nora was a military lawyer (one can easily imagine that this may be how they met). It is also possible that, in the fictional universe of the Fallout series, all military personnel (including lawyers) received power armor training in addition to conventional combat training.

[rapid holly]

true

[late ravine]

Nate is the ultimate War Criminal

[raven wolf]

This seems like a stretch

Really the simplest answer is because Bethesda forgor

Occom’s Razor

[astral sun]

either forgot or didn't feel like it was worthwhile as a gameplay feature to require training to use it.

[raven wolf]

It is better gameplay wise to not have power armor training in 4

[astral sun]

I don't mind not having to have training, but I do feel like we got power armor way too early.

[red forge]

I think it's fair to say that it's nigh impossible for game dev companies to NOT have this happen. You're going to need to be someone like Tolkien to avoid it.

[candid ibex]

Is Mr.House the RobCo guy during the meeting scene or am I tripping?

[astral sun]

you are correct

[candid ibex]

Neat

[lofty prairie]

Everyone in the classic Fallout games knew how to operate PA without training.
It's really not that big a deal.

[rapid holly]

yep

Chosen in FO2 also drives a car with 0 experience being born in a tribe so training ain’t allat it’s just a game mechanic

[lofty prairie]

Plus PA isn't really all that rocket science anyway.
Training will help you operate it better but it's not necessary

Heck. Even some raiders can figure out how to salvage and wear them. The protagonists are fine

[rapid nest]

Yeah im fine with training or not doesnt add much or restrict anything but i will admit getting power armor in the first questline was a terrible choice imo

[lofty prairie]

Good job Bethesda!!! I was loosing faith… this was a good move!!! Shoot for a scrolls one next!

[queen anchor]

we cant enter the vault so anything goes

[lofty prairie]

Started the fallout tv show yesterday on episode 3 right now

[hoary rock]

Sharing this here so someone at Bethesda recognizes this for season 2 and doesn't end up like TLOU

Bethesda PLS:

There are like three glaring issues holding back this show, I can live with "The Ghoul" having ||plot armor ||but:

1. Ep.1 - 8 Spoilers: || The BoS primary equipment being Ballistics? There was only ONE laser rifle in the show and it was in the hands of the Encalve??? Someone get this director a heavy laser gatling gun. ||
2. Ep.1 - 8 Spoilers: || No Bloatflies, No Bloodbugs, No Molerats, No Radscorpions, No Cazadores, No Super Mutants, No Centaurs, No geckos, No Protectrons, No robco bots (Besides the creators'), and the closest things to Gunners were with Moledaver but I digress. ||
3. Ep.8 Spoilers : || None of the Knights in Power Armor had a working Flashlight? ||

BONUS (not really a negative): Minor Spoiler: || The Gulper was cool addition, Mutant Axolotl, but what's with the fingers? I've re-watched it over 6 times now and I still can't figure out why other than it very likely came from Vault 4? It can't even hurt anyone unless you get digested and even then it takes FOREVER, so how does something this weak even survive for so long? Especially considering it's primary means of attack was swallowing things whole...||
These wastelanders were on Very EASY difficulty. Up the difficulty to HARD pls.

Sincerely,
A Very Hardcore Player.

[lofty prairie]

Finished episode 4

https://tenor.com/view/me-atrapaste-es-cine-its-cinema-cinema-esto-es-cine-gif-17729711691959966457

[raven mural]

If we could not have inappropriate remarks regarding the fires please chat

[astral jolt]

It's taken me this long to finally watch the show
I'm 30 minutes into the first episode and all I'll say is
THE STIMPAKS SOUND AS SATISFYING AS THEY DO IN THE GAMES

Also Lucy is awesome, love her

[sullen marten]

I have a theory about that new elected president that is in vault 33 could be the wife of Howard cooper or the daughter of Howard copper

[lilac sequoia]

no

That was Betty, the secretary who was frozen and awoken in the buddy’s program from Vault 31

[frail trellis]

yeah that was betty, and i believe that the higher ups are frozen somewhere else

[sullen marten]

Ooh….i thought it was either the mother or the daughter cause I was hoping it was the mother that was frozen during the divorce with Howard cooper since he got “some benefit” from the rich to go into the vaults.

[lofty prairie]

No Cooper's wife is not Betty lol

Nor his daughter

Betty is the assistant while Cooper is in Vault Tec headquarters.

Cooper's wife is probably still frozen or she's in another vault

[lilac sequoia]

we probably wont get any knowledge where they are until season 3 tbh

It seems logical they would focus more on New Vegas and tie in with flash backs for Mr House

[lofty prairie]

I hope we get 10 seasons at least

They don't need to reveal the secrets in season 2

I worry though, I worry everything unanswered in season 1 will be revealed in season 2. Then they'll also try to start a new mystery at the very end as a cliffhanger

And we won't see a season 3 because of it

[red forge]

I reckon there'll be some dependency of the plot and time period of where Fallout 5 takes place.

[lilac sequoia]

well they def have to solve some

The reveal behind the nukes is definitely going to happen 100%. They know how to make the show impactful to the series and imo its prob a given

[lofty prairie]

I think House and Vault Daddy is plenty for Season 2

[lilac sequoia]

Stuff like why the Ghoul needs his juice is also gonna need explanation.

[lofty prairie]

Nukes, enclave + the dog, brotherhood guy

Lots of stuff aside from Cooper Family

[lilac sequoia]

Enclave, Nukes, Brotherhood of Steel, Cooper Family, wtf MrHouse is alive, what happened to new Vegas. What state the NCR is in

which i feel they will explain in season 2

[lofty prairie]

Hell yeah there's so much content! I hope they don't run it out in the next 2 seasons though

Just a concern, it's not often a favorite video game franchise gets a good show

[lilac sequoia]

They prob wanna introduce a new faction and NCR imo should be that bigger play against the Brotherhood again.

Then season 3 we are introduced to the Enclave

[lofty prairie]

Yeah that would be tight I like it!

[lilac sequoia]

maybe end of s2 we get some happy ending and then all of a sudden Vertibirds appear

and realize its not Brotherhood. And X-02's, Hellfires, and X-01's just show up

And we get some sort of alliance between Brotherhood and the NCR just as they did years ago after Fallout 2

[lofty prairie]

https://media.tenor.com/uJIa7iTtslEAAAAM/gunnawritingthatheatlmao.gif

Hell yeah! That's some good stuff! Hopefully they keep up this momentum with quality stuff like that

[lilac sequoia]

If they introduce new Power Armor, give Maximus the T-51

Honestly hope Paladins show up

[lofty prairie]

Oh and you know we gotta be seeing Deathclaws

If a Yao Guai beat a T60 then Deathclaws must be actual monsters again

[lilac sequoia]

i expect an Anti-Material rifle killing the deathclaw

[mossy echo]

I know I’m late to the party but I just finished Fallout and was impressed. I get the vibe that each season will take us near or relate to the areas of the games. Clearly season 2 will introduce New Vegas, maybe 3 will show us the Capital, 4 the Commonwealth, etc.

[frail trellis]

I want answers but I just want to see my ghoul~💕 in season two

[late ravine]

nuh uh, he’s mine.

[warm mesa]

I hope they have a spin off back to the war with the chinese

[frail trellis]

nuuu he mine

[late ravine]

Can we all agree that We’ll Meet Again by Vera Lynn is the perfect song for the shows ending?

[lofty prairie]

Yes

[frail trellis]

yes

[rapid nest]

Im assuming you mean the literal ending and not the season which i mean yeah it would be good but it was already used in season 1 so i dont think they would use it but yeah it would be pretty good

I mean them using we three in the end of ep 8 was amazing considering now our characters will "likely" be making their impact on the wasteland in season 2 like everyone in the games example project purity eliminating the institute blowing up the oil rig etc

I think for the end like the literal end address unknown by the inkspots would be great

[late ravine]

The Ink Spots songs are low-key overused in Fallout imo ( not saying The Ink Spots are bad )

I wanna hear more Marty Robbin’s in season 2

[lunar hearth]

atomic bomb baby would be great to

[late ravine]

Yess

[raven mural]

As a reminder folks, we do not allow any leaks or rumours as per #rules - thanks!

[tidal tendon]

If you have an issue with moderation, please bring it to us in @hearty pasture, per the rules

[rapid nest]

There actually is a protectron right when bud askins pulls up in his fusion flea after he gets out behind him there is a protectron also its been all but confirmed most of these will be in season 2

[hoary rock]

Oh, guess I'll rewatch it for the 23rd time || remember then forget again. ||

I guess I just forget. 🤔 I did notice that they are building up more of RobCo lore in the show though I'm still intrigued by that.

[rapid nest]

Its almost definitely leading up to mr house in next season

[hoary rock]

I think i did see mole rats chillin in one scene or maybe they were dead 🤔

[rapid nest]

Yeah im not sure

I am kinda mad the fawn that lucy feeds in episode 3 doesnt have two heads like the other radstags

[gleaming pendant]

I don’t think we will see mich of the enclave in season 2 just New Vegas and hopefully House.

Maybe in season 3 or 4, but I want know how enclave PA looks. Which are they using

[rapid nest]

How do you know they will use enclave pa ?

If they do anything enclave it will probably be a small subplot for a few episodes that connects to what will happen in season 3

[gleaming pendant]

It’s the enclave. We can clearly see that they are doing something and there is no enclave without high tech armory

[rapid nest]

I mean yeah but in season 1 the only high tech thing they had was a laser rifle lol no but really i do hope they do something with them in season 2 or atleast show a new power armor getting real tired of everyone saying T-60 is the best PA

[gleaming pendant]

Enclave was in possession of the cold fusion and is conducting some supermutant experiments.

[lilac sequoia]

The reason T-60 is used is cause this is the East Chapter brotherhood from the prydwyn that arrived.

[rapid nest]

Yeah i know that lol im talking about seeing different characters with different suits like T-51 or 45

[lilac sequoia]

We probably will

We also saw non-PA armor like the NCR Ranger

and Combat helmets/armor

so they are clearly aware of the many looks in Fallout than just PA

[sturdy tundra]

The only thing we saw of them was scientists and guards, probably their remaining PA troopers were out on patrol

Also

it was only season 1

we're lucky they were given the budget to portray what they did, they've already said they were limited on what they could do, but S2 is looking to expand much more.

[brazen escarp]

Was s2 delayed?

[red forge]

No?

Wait... maybe, because of the LA bushfires...

Whatever info you can find from official sources.

https://gamerant.com/fallout-tv-season-2-filming-delayed/

[brazen escarp]

Yea

[red forge]

Well, "stay tuned".

[brazen escarp]

Got a feeling lots of people not gonna like s2

[lofty prairie]

There's a surefire way to make people not like it. Many studios know exactly how to alienate their fans and still do it anyway. Maybe not as early as season 2 but it will happen.

It's rampant in TV and Movies now. I see it all too often in recent film and it's usually filled with inconsistencies and makes many fans question "are the writers genuinely trying to tell a story or are they just selling out and taking the easy way"

I'm sick of seeing it everywhere. Not every story needs it. Save some things for the fanfics and write like you care about the story.

That thing?
||Multiverse||

[red forge]

Ok, let's perhaps not get ahead of ourselves on expectations. S1 was great. Just let Johnathan Nolan cook S2 and see how things go.

[sturdy tundra]

His works are usually pretty solid. As long as he doesn't pull a Westworld S3, it should be fine.

S1 of this was fairly constrained in what it could do and it still managed to work, and S2's sounding more open.

[lofty prairie]

I hope that doesn't equate to slower plot progress

That's okay if it's 20 episodes but if it's less than 10 we need big things happening every episode

[red forge]

Some shows have a short 1st season to "test the waters". Castle did that. 10 episode opening season, then the rest were all 20+

Also albeit Castle S1 premiered during offpeak of the yearly ratings season...

Anyway, good shows need time to cook. Let's not overthink this yet.

[lofty prairie]

[lilac sequoia]

shows are often gonna be the standard of 8 episodes commonly

I wouldnt be surprised if they start doing weekly releases

which imo devils advocate i think fits best for this show. The episodes were long enough and should draw out more hype

[lilac sequoia]

its good that the first season released in full to give us fans reassurance they know what they are doing

but something like Invincible where the season releases in 2-3 parts would help

[lofty prairie]

I actually prefer the weekly format for releases, I grew up with that and find it snowballs hype and makes the entire thing so much more enjoyable

You get to spend the week speculating, theorizing, learning, it's just altogether a better experience

[lilac sequoia]

Cartoon Network weekly Saturdays for clone wars

[lofty prairie]

Nothing beats childhood Saturday cartoons

[distant breach]

[lofty prairie]

[lofty prairie]

I dunno about this whole Vault Tec dropped the bombs idea

Way too many survivors

And way too many vaults that resulted in total failure

[lofty prairie]

The Enclave aren't known for making good plans

[red forge]

I don't think it's yet been established who actually did... only that Cooper's wife has implied support for it on behalf of Vault-Tec.

[sturdy tundra]

A. it's unlikely Vault-Tec literally launched the nukes, though it is quite possible they helped to instigate things (possibly leaking the existence of FEV to China for instance), and B. "too many survivors" as opposed to what?

The Vaults were never meant to actually save anyone but Vault-Tec and co. (F2 onwards anyway)

outside of the control Vaults, they were just experiments

Vault-Tec wanted to be the ones surviving and in control, much like everyone else

And explicitly, the Vaults can't hold enough people to seriously restart civilization on their own, that's literally why F2 introduced the experiments narrative to explain the plot hole of F1

Even if they don't end up reusing the Enclave starship idea from the Fallout Bible, it's still the very classic Fallout story of the Powers That Be™️ screwing everything up for the regular person down here for personal gain.

[lofty prairie]

Cooper's wife says Vault Tec was prepared to do it and given the symbol on the Bomb in Megaton I suspect they at least shot what they had when the bombs started falling.

It's just odd to me they would consider the plan hoping for the outcome of a capitalist reset where they would have a massive advantage and could take over the world when most of those corporations were already number 1 globally and then it doesn't kill everyone on the surface?

With as many people that survived I don't expect they could reasonably take over the world in any amount of vault dwelling time

[sturdy tundra]

It could also even be just that Vault-Tec launched a nuke or two, knowing it would trigger alarms for both sides

Basically the Skynet plan in Terminator 2

[lofty prairie]

Ahh this makes sense, domino effect

Honestly I need to see more about how the rest of the world before I can say their plan was a failure. So far we only know of North America's results

[sturdy tundra]

I do wonder if Hank's heading to the Mojave to see if the Divide's nuclear arsenal is still there

Or if he can get access to the satellites

[lofty prairie]

Might be a bit much for the average viewer lol he's probably just linking up with House.... New Vegas super fans might be worried a bit more than me about next season lol

[sturdy tundra]

The average viewer isn't quite the focus I'd argue

Like, it does make room, but from the get-go it's very steeped in Fallout as a series, to the point I could see some not quite vibing with it as such.

[lofty prairie]

I hope they continue to make this for the fans and don't shift to like mainstream version of fallout for some recruiting initiative

While I speculate on the information from the first season I can only really complain about the BoS. What the heck were they thinking with the cult aspect and the shaman? waving sticks?

[sturdy tundra]

I mean, we're talking about a highly successful and long-running series from successful long-running developers (Interplay made some bangers back in the day after all)

Who's got fellow devs in related groups under the ZeniMax umbrella, and then under Microsoft from there. They have access to manpower.

[sturdy tundra]

It's the endpoint of the BOS, with seeds sewn as far back as F1

[red forge]

The show needs to maintain canon but also bring in new elements at the same time. Given each game is its own containing story while fitting into the over-arcing lore, the show is no different.

[sturdy tundra]

They've long lost the point that Roger Maxson was trying to make even by the time of F1

and F4 and the show are long after F1

[lofty prairie]

I haven't played Fallout 1 since before New Vegas came out, I should really give those old games another look. Hopefully it clears up things with the BoS.

[sturdy tundra]

In F1, if Rhombus is killed, the BOS's ending has them turn full hardline and brings about the thousand-year Steel Plague

and uh, as of F4, it's safe to say Rhombus has been dead a long time

The BOS is just becoming the new Enclave now

[lofty prairie]

Like honestly as a former BoS fan I really was disappointed with most they showed.

The reproductive ignorance, the culty stuff, the ease of the elder to betray the council, the liberties they took with the power armor, the cowardice of a knight. Like it's just hard to see

[sturdy tundra]

Lyon's chapter was an outlier for the BOS in terms of Actually Caring. Lost Hills already had a slew of civil conflict leading up to F3, we see divison as early as F76 with Shin and Rahmani, etc.

[lofty prairie]

That's fair, it's just a lot of what seems like conflicting material on the culture of the brotherhood. Hopefully we get some clarification on that or maybe, if I'm lucky, they'll spell it out for me lol

[lofty prairie]

But they have the Prydwen?

[sturdy tundra]

?

[red forge]

Aside from NV issues, people think the Prydwyn's presence makes BoS ending in FO4 canon.

[sturdy tundra]

Prydwyn's post-F3

probably after Maxson took over

[lofty prairie]

If the BoS we see in the show is not fully aligned with the council's will then why would they maintain the Prydwen?

[sturdy tundra]

what are you talking about

[red forge]

We don't know that yet.

[lofty prairie]

The airship?

Is it not seen in the show as the Prydwen?

[sturdy tundra]

The Prydwyn is from the east coast, the show's west

It flies out to deliver the knights

Maxson (or his successor if dead) has the Prydwyn, if it's still intact (prerelease content calls the show's airship the Caswennan)

Even if the BOS gets beaten, destroying the Prydwyn is optional depending on your course.

West coast BOS is in a sorry state after their civil warring and especially the war with the NCR, the east coast runs them now.

[lofty prairie]

So that is the same airship we see in the show right? So if this sect of the BoS with the culty stuff and training troops to have reproductive ignorance is not aligned with the council why would they be privileged to it and the councils resources?

It makes me think that culty stuff is across the entire BoS now

[sturdy tundra]

They're explicitly on orders from the council and they're also not immune to corruption

They're probably not training troops to be ignorant so much as they're just not bothering to teach that stuff at all

Maximus's base doesn't seem the most high-quality

They're trained to fight and look for tech, anything else is window dressing.

[lofty prairie]

I wonder why they would be militaristic, purists, a cult, and then not train soldiers to have knowledge of intercourse?

It's strange. Yeah it could be a quality thing or like something they slapped together for the Shady Sands survivors

[sturdy tundra]

Limited resources and probably eugenics

[lofty prairie]

If it was just something that was mentioned in passing I wouldn't think much of it but they made a lengthy scene to make sure we knew that BoS don't know about reproduction

A real head scratcher lol I wonder what direction they're going with that

[sturdy tundra]

I'm pretty sure they know about reproduction

[lofty prairie]

That's not how I interpreted the scene lol

[sturdy tundra]

Maximus was just failing his skill checks

[lofty prairie]

That works lmao

[steep cypress]

The show portrays BoS closer to real life knightly orders than how they were in the games. And those orders **did **have chastity vows

[sturdy tundra]

Unironically that's kinda what it is, Maximus failing speech checks and such

[red forge]

He said he was conditioned to not get involved with such activities.

[sturdy tundra]

^

[lofty prairie]

Chastity I'm cool with, it's just the ignorance that bugs me

[lofty prairie]

I like this answer, it works well

[sturdy tundra]

They're supposed to focus on the job, and not that kind of job.

[red forge]

That one scene, where she offered without any actual thought behind it, because it was a normal thing for her based on her upbringing... only for him to say he wasn't allowed, and did so reluctantly.

[sturdy tundra]

also much like real-like knights, they're just people and the notion of chivalry is subjective and malleable

[steep cypress]

Probably just part of the whole overtly religious vibe they gave BoS. I imagine monasteries don't teach that kind of stuff either

[sturdy tundra]

Not to get into a can of worms, but "abstinence-only" sex ed is a very real and common thing.

(it's about as useful as you'd expect, and definitely as harmful as you'd expect)

[lofty prairie]

Hmmm I'll rewatch the show and give that topic some more attention next time. I have high hopes for the show but don't expect perfection. My standard is only for it to make sense to me as a long time fan. If it's wildly popular and trendy that's even better lol it means more Fallout TV for me and maybe a new game sooner!

I can easily overlook the BoS concerns of mine. I just thought I would bring up the BoS and the Vault Tec thing earlier because I'm hoping there were explanations for them I was unaware of.

I appreciate you knowledgeable fans helping with the conversation and nobody trying to make this an argument, this community is second to none!

I'll give the show a rewatch while I wait for fasnacht in 76 and chime in with talking points periodically!

[lilac sequoia]

what he means by too many survivors is the fact Vault Tec successfully managed to take real employees of their company into stasis and now can exist in the present

and my personal issue with this idea, is that it doesnt really move fallout forward

[lilac sequoia]

I do not like the idea that Vault-Tec exists more than just its remnants as its legacy

[sturdy tundra]

I mean, the very existence of the Vaults is Vault-Tec surviving

The Vaults are Vault-Tec

The Overseers are Vault-Tec

The ongoing experiments are Vault-Tec

[lilac sequoia]

The very existence of vaults were inhumane. The issue with bringing in survivors of the past into the present so they can put the plans of Vaults Tec into motion again doesnt feel like a

“This is a world that has faced the consequences of the old ways”

[sturdy tundra]

What the show's doing is is moving things forward, by providing some agency to Vault-Tec besides just running the Vaults.

We're seeing what they were eventually trying to get at

[lilac sequoia]

I would much prefer an entire new faction with new ideals again rather than trying to keep the plot of “Big corporation bad”

[lilac sequoia]

Its been fallout’s theme forever. What fascinated that theme was us seeing the ruins of the wasteland and their effects after the war

[sturdy tundra]

The ghosts of the past still remaining alive and well and causing the same old problems humanity's faced for millennia is also a long-running theme.

And thus, war, war never changes.

[lilac sequoia]

Like again its why ive beeb opposed of Hank nuking Shady Sands. It doesnt move the plot forward

[lilac sequoia]

its more of throwing a monkey wrench

[sturdy tundra]

Well yeah, because it's only just been established late into the series that it even happened. S2 will presumably go into more detail.

[lilac sequoia]

yea but this is very different. It isnt people unable to move past their mistakes and learn from the past with their own twisted mindset. This is a previous ideology brought into the present again and will not have any sense of change

War never changes sure but it also means there is no consequence imo

[lilac sequoia]

Like the NCR, Enclave, Legion, and Brotherhood have had their changes

[sturdy tundra]

It's not just "a previous ideology", capitalist corruption has been present since F1

[lilac sequoia]

War never changes sure but they have had many societal impacts to get to what they are

[sturdy tundra]

People not learning from their mistakes and then making it everyone else's problem

Or, they have learned just fine, and are just actively greedy/malicious.

[lilac sequoia]

the difference is its always interpreted incorrectly with genuine intentions behind them

Vault Tec doesnt have genuine intentions

[sturdy tundra]

They have genuine intentions to make money, which necessitates a living society that can pay them and work for them.

[lilac sequoia]

sure greed is one but compare this to the original reasonings behind every other faction. Even Fallout 4’s Institute

[lilac sequoia]

They wanna make money so they kill off their consumers. Its not really a good idea

[lilac sequoia]

There has to be more reason than that

[sturdy tundra]

... my brother in Talos the nukes were coming

The point of the Vaults was to save themselves and other Special People™️

Bud's Buds are literal eugenics

[lilac sequoia]

The mystery of the nukes can change. we may not know if it was vault tec but we cant deny the evidence that they really want to push such an idea

[sturdy tundra]

This is literally already covered in the last episode that they were trying to figure out how to come out on top for when the dust settles

Everyone was dying anyway

[lilac sequoia]

The way the writing of this show has been. Seems like Vault Tec wanted these nukes to happen rather than preparing that one day china was going to pull the plug

[lofty prairie]

I feel like this was added as a way to plainly show Hank as a villain. Like he's more than just a Overseer that made questionable decisions or participating in family drama. Like a real villain

[lilac sequoia]

Which has always been the case

like no ofc vault tec didnt make these vaults because they cared for the safety of others. Its a load of crap and we know that.

[sturdy tundra]

Why would it only be either-or?

They can want it to happen, and thus also prepare for it to happen.

[lilac sequoia]

We all know vaults are experiments.

[sturdy tundra]

Especially since it was already bound to happen.

[lilac sequoia]

They arnt made for genuine goodwill. Some vaults did but that was obviously due to the morale of their overseers and some exceptions

[sturdy tundra]

This is literally nothing new, I even just got done saying this exact thing.

[lilac sequoia]

you cant make up some “product” for charity and realize you can make malicious intent after. They obv had malicious intent not to mention the Enclave backed them up

[lilac sequoia]

there is so much lore evidence

[sturdy tundra]

Sure you can, if circumstances change or otherwise you have a necessary epiphany.

Tons of drugs IRL for instance were meant for certain things until it was found out they can be used for other stuff (Viagra, for instance)

[lilac sequoia]

We know vault tec is malicious and made the vaults for experimentation.

[sturdy tundra]

You're conflating greed and desperation with malice

Vault-Tec is Vault-Tec. It's comprised of people

People come in many different sorts

[lilac sequoia]

im stating im against more vault tec survivors because they arnt a faction trying to interpret a solution with flaws. They are just bringing back old solutions that were already flawed

[sturdy tundra]

You mean, just like the Enclave and BOS and NCR and everyone else

[lilac sequoia]

Hank’s logic of just removing all factions imo is weak because the question is what kind of society does vault tec want

[sturdy tundra]

I don't think that's remotely in question at this point

the Vaults already answer it by themselves

They want Vault Dwellers, or reasonable facsimiles thereof. They want Bud's Buds.

They want unquestioning loyalty

They want customers and workers alike that they can control.

They're constructing their own new hegemony.

[lilac sequoia]

NCR wants a republic. The old ways. however with that comes corruption and greed. We see free markets ruined by the rich. Taxes in a world of poverty dont work efficiently. Jobs become unreliable. Currency decreases

The Enclave want to rule America but in THEIR image. They are practically facists and yea dare I say discriminating.

The master wanted to evolve humanity hence the super mutants. However didnt realize they lack the ability to give birth yet enhanced in every other category as a human.

The Legion are degenerates yet their ways somehow work in the wasteland. Caravans are done on time and well protected. There is a lack of corruption because it is a totalitarian but its flaws are due to the short comings of ideas made by a single man.

These are actual flaws and cultures that are trying to be pushed into the wasteland. Even the Brotherhood who had to understand this and evolve into not just a group of techno cultists but also adapt and grow a sense of ego that THEY can make change in the wasteland. Such as the East BOS. However also still having flaws of discriminating and lack of enlightment towards ghouls, synths, and mutants. As well as hypocrites towards discovering new tech.

Vault Tec wanting an extremely loyal army of employees isnt long term. If you wake up and find out your boss is dead why bother being so loyal in a world of absolute no hope? What is driving you to keep going? What is the reward for you as an individual?

Vault Tec’s preservation of humanity with the vaults create naive individuals that DID create a faction that put those old ways to the test, which was the NCR. and it basically failed

[sturdy tundra]

It's company towns all over again.

[lilac sequoia]

what does vault tec want in their society? No idea

Yea sure blow up your competition, but for what

[sturdy tundra]

Vault-Tec wants what Vault-Tec does

[lilac sequoia]

u cant answer either

[sturdy tundra]

... bro

I literally did right above you

[lilac sequoia]

No you are not reading what im saying so im just gonna say what im stating for others to understand

[sturdy tundra]

You literally didn't read what I said

I answered your question. Quit acting like I didn't.

I'm ending this here.

[lilac sequoia]

alrt

[tidal tendon]

https://tenor.com/view/hmm-sus-suspicious-stare-eyes-on-you-gif-7197827967440963024

[lofty prairie]

Hank is spouting the Enclave's nonsense about wiping everyone who isn't them

The Enclave aren't known for good plans.
They were designed to be comically evil

[lilac sequoia]

It works for the enclave imo because this is something that historically has happened

facist american government in a post nuclear setting works

[lofty prairie]

Yeah and who do you think Vault Tec works for?

[lilac sequoia]

im sure they’ll reveal the enclave is the true masterminds. I just dont rlly agree with the buds program because of a few flaws

[lilac sequoia]

like how can they garantee their employees will be loyal 200 years later

[lofty prairie]

That's the point. The Enclave's plans never made sense

[lilac sequoia]

The Enclave wanting to wipe everyone off America with modified FEV is the same plot as the Master wanting to use FEV to turn everyone into mutants.

the reasoning is dumb but this historically has happened of a society wanting to “cleanse” its populous

[lofty prairie]

No. The master wanted to turn everyone into his people.

The Enclave want to kill everyone

And the Master didn't know his people couldn't reproduce

[lilac sequoia]

Killing people with the propaganda of bringing back America. Its why the idea sells to people

[lofty prairie]

Once the master realized his plan is going to destroy humanity he stopped

The Enclave not so much. They don't care

[lilac sequoia]

what im trying to say is, these factions know what society they wanted in the end. People would be willing to join because even though the strategy to get to that result was bad, they understood the reward

[lilac sequoia]

Say you’re an overseer. Your job is to manage your people. you are probably fully aware whats going on in the wasteland vs the dwellers of your vault exception of security

We have seen so many vaults in Fallout disappear or fail because either the dwellers revolt within or the Overseer has zero faith that they’ll get the OK from their superiors that the surface is good to go

[lilac sequoia]

Again like the whole loyal corporate employee may sound cool on paper but it doesnt make sense for the individual like Hank to carry out orders when he is fully aware of whats going on.

He knows definitely knows the NCR was remnants of Vault dwellers. Wouldn’t this be what Vault Tec wanted? Capitalizing on a dead america?

If its just constant competition, the issue is there is no end goal. This imo would discourage overseers to even want to go out into the wasted and start a society with the fear that another vault’s overseer might come crashing on your city with bombs yet you’re both on the same side

[lofty prairie]

No they don't. What society does the enclave want after killing everyone?
What society does Caesar want after destroying all tech and turning most of Cali into the stone age?

None of them have a good idea of what they want beyond power

[lilac sequoia]

The Legion do not compete, they practically consume all factions, tribes.

The Enclave want a pure America and so they’ll just kill everyone

[lofty prairie]

The only villian who knew exactly what he wanted was the master.
None of the other villians know what they properly want

[lilac sequoia]

and why do the americans who have been in the enclave stay? They genuinely believed what they were doing was the right thing

some obviously left but they did believe in the cause

[lofty prairie]

Because otherwise they'd be shot and killed?

[lilac sequoia]

Because its an American cause. Hyper patriotism

Sure they’ll be shot and excuted def. But we know from New Vegas there were soldiers who genuinely believed

[lofty prairie]

And bringing the NCR as an example isn't a great idea.
The NCR are not a villain faction, they have more depth than any other faction in NV.

Most Fallout villians are specifically designed to just be comically evil

[lilac sequoia]

There is a genuine BELIEF of what the outcome for the Enclave’s actions

[lofty prairie]

And what are the outcome exactly? Tell me what do the enclave plan on doing after wiping 90% of a nation's population

[lilac sequoia]

They believe they can rebuild America. They are using discrimination and using “mutants” as a scapegoat.

take historical evidence. What on earth are countries going to achieve through a genocide.

Nothing.

So why on earth people follow through with it?

[lofty prairie]

How?

[lilac sequoia]

did u play fallout 2

[lofty prairie]

Yes. They say nothing beyond " we will rebuild"

[lilac sequoia]

Its not about how, its the fact they will

[lofty prairie]

How? No idea

[lilac sequoia]

they will kill everyone and people believe it

[lofty prairie]

How will they rebuild if they have no plan?

[lilac sequoia]

people arnt thinking of the consequences or the fact they wont succeed rebuilding america by killing everyone

[lofty prairie]

This isn't about consequences. They literally have no plan

[lilac sequoia]

Me personally, ofc they wont be successful rebuilding america if everyone dies

[lilac sequoia]

its not about how it’ll happen. Its the fact members of the enclave genuinely believed it

[lofty prairie]

Believed what? Most are there in the Enclave because they want power.

[lilac sequoia]

The Legion are slavers and mysoginist. Nobody apart of the legion besides women believe this is unfair and unjust. They lack any moral highground because they genuinely believed Ceasar

[lofty prairie]

The civilians enjoy rampant slavery from kidnapped vault dwellers without a care in the world. None of them care

[lilac sequoia]

But literally is ceasar’s goal actually long term? No

But nobody cares because they believe him

[lofty prairie]

Same goes for the legion. None of the officers care about Caesar. They're there for the power

[lilac sequoia]

your a vault tec overseer and im gonna assume your superiors, your bosses are dead

[lilac sequoia]

or even hell cut contact

Why bother keep going. Which is why we see vaults sometimes do their own thing

You live in a vault that can sustain you and your people. You’re given way too much control it doesnt matter what your boss tells you to do, you genuinely have a choice

The enclave, legion, even brotherhood you dont have that choice

[lofty prairie]

Why do the remaining Enclave over at the Oil rig continue when every other base is dead?

[lilac sequoia]

the only ones that genuinely will be your downfall is because your vault was a failed experiment

[lofty prairie]

They have enough to sustain themselves for years. Why do they need to continue their genocidal plan?

[lilac sequoia]

because they believe in their country. Their president during fallout 2 is alive

When fallout 3 happened guess what? A new president

there is a genuine leader to lead them

Even if their idea is stupid.

I mean look out in the wasteland. People are going to need a purpose

Again like we have historical evidence from WW2 and the roman empire. Societies that genuinely had really DUMB IDEAS.

The issue with Vault Tec is its relying on SUPER brainwashed employees put in stasis, have families, have all these privileges and somehow still remain loyal to the belief that they will outlive everyone when even THEY THEMSELVES ARE SHOOTING THEIR OWN SIDE such as the NCR being remnants of Vault Dwellers

[lilac sequoia]

And yes sure the NCR may not be how they visioned because the NCR is made up of vault dwellers who may not even be apart of the intended staff of Vault Tec.

Even then genuinely if the whole plan is “stay in vault until everyones dead or wipe everyone out to stay on top”

The issue is when someone like Hank starts bombing a faction way too big they cant compete.

Sure we can assume the Enclave is backing them up 100% but like even they were defeated numerous times by growing new factions

this is a hypothetical so dont take my word on it, prob didnt happen

But if someone like the courier who just took over deadly weaponized securitrons and basically has enough fire power to hold off at least some threats. I dont think someone like Hank is going to come out on top in this situation

Like if u wanna compete, u should be growing an empire not blowing them up just to cause others to rebuild or splinter new factions making more enemies/problems

Like thats why the Enclave failed is cause they refuse to expand or recruit for that matter because they didnt deem people in the wasteland as americans

The Brotherhood had to actually start recruiting more and not be isolated weirdos in the East

[lilac sequoia]

and yes im aware the enclave is coming back but it still stands the Enclave isnt gonna win if they dont truly expand like the Brotherhood or NCR did

[lofty prairie]

And? What difference does it make when their authority is completely zero.
Your whole idea is why can't a vault overseer continue with the plan because the top brass isn't there anymore.

Why is the president continuing when there's nothing left. No infrastructure, no confirmation whether any of the vaults succeeded and there's no population to direct beyond the 2k or so left at the oil rig?

They do it because they think they can still succeed

The Enclave failed because they had no proper plan. Not pre war, not post war.

[lilac sequoia]

The president continues because he has total control without regulation.

In fallout Congress and the Judicial branch are gone that keep a president in check.

why does he keep being president? Shucks man if i had my own military ill do whatever i want now.

Same with an overseer

[lofty prairie]

Over what? The 2k or so people left

They barely have an army, no infrastructure.
Even the nuke silos are not in their control anymore

[lilac sequoia]

Barely have an army, but does everyone else have one? does everyone on the surface day one after the nukes drop are well equipped with Power Armor, weapons etc? not rlly its why it took till fallout 2 for a growing faction like the NCR to start hunting them down after the chosen one nuked their oil rig

[lofty prairie]

The president can't do anything outside of his own oil rig

[lilac sequoia]

like why did the brotherhood do so well? They were stacked day one. They had recources

Ofc this isnt limitless, recources are scarce but day one the Enclave were top dogs for the time

[lilac sequoia]

It took years for shady sands to get to what is now the NCR

And by that time the Enclave were falling off

[lilac sequoia]

scientists were beginning to realize their plans were goof. People were leaving but hunted and executed

[lilac sequoia]

But again like they were top dogs and people in the enclave were brainwashed because well historically they had their American president. This is the GUY

i mean we look at american politics today. People believe in our own president

(without trying to put any controversial political opinions into this conversation) But im just pointing out if you’re the President of the US when the bombs drop. You are basically day one more privileged than the lonely raider

The only exception would be anyone in the vaults

[lofty prairie]

Why does it matter what they had right after the war?
They didn't do anything with it.

By the time they started doing something, everyone around them had grown stronger

[lofty prairie]

The west coast BoS didn't do well.

They were nearly wiped out by the NCR after slowly degrading on their own

[lilac sequoia]

And how long did it take for that to happen. When a genuine built society was made

Like wdym having weapons, rations, and somewhat of a community doesnt make you more set than the average wastelander?

You’re tryna prove to me these factions had nothing yet they did.

Factually the west coast BOS did trades with outsiders. They were doing pretty well. They just didnt invest in becoming a political faction

why does it matter what someone has? Survival. Its not this deep

[lofty prairie]

Pretty quick. The NCR grew to the number we know today in over 40 years.
And the BoS stood no chance

In comparison the BoS started weakening long before the NCR grew or even FO1 started

[lilac sequoia]

Again why is Vault Tec different?

I would rather fight for my country than a corporation that doesnt care about me.

I would rather be apart of a republic. A democracy where I have freedoms and feel normal

The legion? Idk i’d probably be a slave but least the caravan routes are safe and im not going to be put on a cross ig. Life sucks but im on the side that isnt gonna do the most horrible things to me

The Brotherhood? Military might and maybe even a genuine cause of keeping the wasteland safe through a feudalistic system

[lilac sequoia]

Like MrHouse is a corporate man at heart. The dude is practically a business only and even he has a vision of what his ideal world, i mean hes practically a Libertarian one could argue

He’s all for competition in the market. He doesnt care what you do, your culture, your identity, none of it matters and his greatest flaw is

“Well this guy could be a load of BS” and the only reason you believe him is because the New Vegas strip is an amazing place. Theres a physical representation of that vision in front of you even if its just an illusion

[lilac sequoia]

hell throw the institute in there. Are you an incredibly smart individual? Well now you have your place to do what your heart desires in the name of innovation

The Minutemen? its like shady sands and maybe one day build up to a proper republic.

The Railroad? They arnt really thinking long term but they follow a genuinely dutiful cause similar to the Desert Rangers keeping others safe

[lilac sequoia]

Hell even raider gangs, the great khans are victim to a grudge by the NCR but they have a well kept community and genuinely seems to care for one another

[lilac sequoia]

the Followers of the Apocalypse again another dutiful cause of progressive minds wanting to make the wasteland a better place

and these arnt factions trying to take over the wasteland but im giving their reasons to be apart of them

Vault Tec to me rn in this show feels more like a patch notes update nerfing the biggest faction so everyone remains in the stone age. They arnt trying to build communities or collaborate to survive

[lofty prairie]

Nothing's stopping them from defecting.
Hank still follows the Enclave because he wants to. It's his choice.

Plenty of other Enclave and VT members have defected. Not everyone's the same

[lilac sequoia]

we dont know if Hank knows hes reporting to the Enclave. We only know Vault Tec collaborates with the Enclave. Which is why i see both as different entities

again until they confirm that the vault tec higher ups ultimate plan is the same as the Enclaves. Then thats when i would see them as one entity

But the plans Vault Tec has, especially the buds project is NOT the same as the Enclave’s goals.

Its like saying RobCo. and the Enclave are one entity because they had government access due to their contribution to the war.

[lofty prairie]

Vault Tec and Enclave were one and the same. Everything VT did was on the Enclave's orders.
They don't need to report anything, they were given orders and they're following them

Some lost faith and defected. Some stayed loyal

[gleaming pendant]

Project Safe-House was initiated by the Enclave and vault tec is constructing the vaults. So Vault tec is recording commands from the enclave

[sturdy tundra]

Vault-Tec was working with the Enclave but that isn't necessarily the case post-War

There's been no love lost between them since the nukes dropped, they're each out for themselves.

[lofty prairie]

I mean it's not like every VT outfit is still loyal to the cause. Plenty like Vault 81 defected and did their own thing.

Some like Hank remained loyal

Same applies for the Enclave too. Autumn caused a mutiny and did his own thing. Moreno in NV however is still loyal even after they were destroyed

They're not all the same. Some are doing one thing, some other

[hoary rock]

Wait a sec, anyone else wondering if there may have been a synth in the TV show?

[rancid wing]

https://tenor.com/view/hello-chat-the-ghoul-fallout-fallout-tv-show-fallout-on-prime-gif-12638071263775942248

[red forge]

Wrong coast.

[waxen silo]

The show does take place almost 10 years after Fallout 4.

[delicate thistle]

I'm pretty sure the institute sent synths all over the coast they weren't just in the commonwealth it wouldn't be to far fetched if they sent some to the west coast

[red forge]

Probably. Suppose we'll wait and see.

[delicate thistle]

that also depends on what fallout 4 ending is canon lore

there are also a lot of synths that escaped the institute and could have evaded recapture and made there way west

[red forge]

That will be a thing too. Prydwen's appearance has made speculation that either Minutemen or BoS ending could be canon.

[delicate thistle]

then if we do see synths they would have been sent before the destruction of the institute or there run aways that made there way west and if that's the case we wouldn't know there synths unless they say there synths cause remember the synth that would have escaped like that look exactly like humans so there would be no way of actually knowing if there a synth without being told i mean look a McDonagh

[livid leaf]

Rewatching the series
In the beginning, if you do the thumbs up test while watching on a tv while keeping your thumb aligned with the bottom of the cloud
It'll become bigger than your thumb.
Coincidence? Maybe.
Deliberate? Maybe.
Cool? Yep.

[livid leaf]

Which character is everyone's favourite in the show?
For me, it's Cooper.
It shows what betrayal can do to someone, as well as how far simple acts of kindness can go

[shrewd raptor]

Cooper is definitely my favorite character too

i wonder which New Vegas ending will be canonized by the show

[hoary rock]

IYKYK

[gleaming pendant]

Robert House

[hollow depot]

CX404

[livid leaf]

I forgot the goodest boy existed

[lucid marlin]

Love Cooper and Lucy.

[lucid marlin]

||although.. I really liked Wilzig. Not sure why. I wish there was more of him.||

[lofty prairie]

Hows the tv series going! I stopped cause I felt disappointed on the first episide.

[red forge]

We're all waiting on season 2. There's time to catchup. There's another 7 episodes for you.

[rapid nest]

I recommend rewatching it episode 1 was probably the weakest episode still amazing but the rest of the show is worth the watch

[livid leaf]

Differences I noticed with Knights in the show vs in FO4
-BOS Insignia is red instead of white
-The chest piece lacks "T-60"
-White and silver parts on arms are reversed
-Knight insignia lacks the stripe

[gleaming pendant]

Maybe these are just other T-60 PA‘s, like stored ones in the prydwen. Because the ones we see in FO4 might be still in Bosten (we don’t know, but the brotherhood could build up a base of operations there)

[lucid marlin]

You should definitely resume.

[livid leaf]

OHH Like different chapters having different paint schemes?

[gleaming pendant]

That’s a thing but I mean more like the PA‘s that you see when they arrive are PA‘s that maybe have been stored in the shipping containers aboard the prydwen (that’s maybe why they do not have any other markings than the emblem; they are just from a shipment without any T-60 markings and the brotherhood only added their emblem)

But the chapter paint schemes are a thing, like the brotherhood in FO2 uses other paints than the brotherhood in FO3 and the brotherhood in FO4 uses other paints and other PA‘s

But that’s more a lore thing

[sturdy tundra]

The red possibly means "expeditionary force", since it's what the 1EF used in F76

And is effectively what Elder Maxson (or his successor(s)) are fielding with the Prydwyn when you think about it

which might be why they share the 1EF's color scheme in F4

[simple blaze]

I can’t wait to see NV next season.

[gleaming pendant]

I Hope we see many characters from NV

[plush quest]

Second seasons of really good shows never outshine the first. I hope the fallout show breaks this

[gleaming pendant]

Its NV, they have to

But they need to be really careful about the lore of FO-NV

[lofty prairie]

What streaming service is fallout on

[gleaming pendant]

Amazon

[lofty prairie]

Damn

Currently watching orange is the new black atm anyway just finished night agent and good mums

Also currently watching power

[spark storm]

I wanted a game not a TV series 😡

Make the TV series interactive rn

[gleaming pendant]

Be glad about the things we have. TV-Series is one of the best shows that are out there and is the best game adaptation.

With a good running TV-show we will get a Fallout sooner. Maybe even before 2030

[spark storm]

I forgot to put /j

[red forge]

His request for it to be an interactive show should've been the indicator it was a joke 🤣

[lofty prairie]

Gonna relax today to much tv and gaming

[wise saddle]

As far as I am aware, Amazon Prime Video only as it's produced by Amazon, so it's exclusive to their streaming service.

[rapid nest]

I mean it doesnt make sense for him to get one or a way to get one if the institute is destroyed but it would be a cool concept for mr house to get a synth body like i mean canonically it cant happen nor will it happen but it would be cool honestly

[red forge]

If he cannot get one canonically, then it won't happen.

[floral python]

i could happend

but it has a 1% chance we assume from the ending that mr house ending is cannon

and after fallout 4 bos or minutemen ending we destroy synths and everything

they could implemenmt mr house in a synth body who just runnerd away from commonwealth

but i doubt it i think we are gonna see mr house securitorn mark 2 in action after raiders are dead Victor(Mr house) is gonna talk with the ghoul or lucy

its most iconics things about vegas are securitrons

[lofty prairie]

What were the experiments of vaults 32 and 33?

[red forge]

Have you watched season 1?

Vault 32 ||is still yet to be fully investigated.||
Vault 33 ||is to establish a community to resettle on reclamation day with denizens who are descendants of Vault-Tec execs, who are the inhabitants of Vault 31. The secret of 31 is that 33 does not know they are related.||

[lofty prairie]

So ||no experiments? Just a purpose?||

[red forge]

We don't know yet.

All that's been established is ||it was thought that Lee's Raider crew hit them, but when they checked out the vault themselves, they found corpses in decay for a long time, which established Lee having nothing to do with their deaths.||

[lofty prairie]

So far what we know. Vault 32 and 33 were meant to be population pools that would help repopulate the world once everyone upside is dead and gone.
31 has all the leaders meant to lead them i.e VT execs

I find it hard to believe that ||they wouldn't run some experiment|| even if it was just something little

Seems like a waste

Nope. Some vaults were meant to be experiment free. They were called Control Vaults

I only ever heard of 1 vault like that before now, I hope there aren't too many like that

About 21

The experiments and their results are very interesting

are they in the games? Or some book?

Sorry. 17. Not 21.
17 out of 122 vaults were experiment free

Is that information from the games?

Or the TV Show?

Partly. Some of it is from the Fallout bible afaik
https://www.thegamer.com/fallout-every-vault-number-used/

2 from outside are dubious in their canonicity

The Author of the Fallout Bible said it wasn't canon though

Parts of them are taken as per Emil Pagliarulo

Right so its a source of inspiration and not canon itself

Not directly no

Curious if the games have said anything about it.
There's like 12 missing non-experiment vaults

From the games

Here's Emil's quote about the bible

"So, there's actually different versions of the Bible, too. A lot of the stuff from the Bible is on- public on the Fallout Wiki, online, and you can look at that stuff. For us, it's always... for us, canon always starts with what is in the games. And so... it's what is in Fallout 1, Fallout 2... even some of like, Fallout Tactics is- there's some stuff from canon from Fallout Tactics as well. And our Fallout games. So, we always look at what's in the games first, and then we go to the Fallout Bible and look at the stuff. So, some of the stuff that is in Fallout 3 that is now canon came from the Fallout Bible, some of that fiction. And so... it depends. We look at the Fallout Bible and some of the lore that really... was written, y'know, back in the day. It makes sense and we use that and put it in our games. We don't just assume that everything in the Bible is canon We have to take it step-by-step inside. It's a judgement call"

Yeah sounds like they like it but won't say it's canon

A safe and smart way to play it I think

The 17 control vault thing is canon though.
The total amount is dubious

Since it's multiple sources, Bible, comics and the games.
That needs to be verified

But the 17 control vault thing is listed in FO3 iirc.
The citadel's terminal says it

Nice! That's what I needed to hear!

Okay if it's in a game it's 100%. I'll dive into that part of Fallout 3 and explore it

Yup there it is.
Look at the personnel entry under dc vaults
https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/Citadel_terminal_entries

Thank you!

[gleaming pendant]

But there are probably some more, because the „Enclave Control Vault“ isn’t listed as well as vault 0 (which was meant to be top secret)

It’s vague, like everything in fallout

[lofty prairie]

Probably so at the very least 17 and likely more

[gleaming pendant]

Yep, the 17 are just the vaults that probably had a value to the ministry of defense/government/enclave

[lofty prairie]

Yup.
Thing is before the show the Vaults' functions were vague. In the bible they say they had plans to make the Enclave attempting space travel but that didn't happen.

So by FO2 all we had was "they were meant to test America"

So the control vaults didn't have much explanation.
I'm glad the show added some lore there

[gleaming pendant]

The vault experiments are just to see and evaluate certain situations. Which could maybe be helpful in some sort of space travel, space station, colonialisation of a planet

[lofty prairie]

Yeah but the whole space travel plot was never implemented. It stayed in the bible.
FO2 just said they wanted to repopulate America

I think 4 and 76 did take some inspiration from that idea because there are some hints about space travel

But overall the show tied everything together. Their original plan from FO2 still stands i.e kill everyone that's not them and the vaults have a more clear explanation now

[gleaming pendant]

In the TV-Show we don’t know anything about the future plans of the enclave, we just know. They/We are back

[lofty prairie]

I wasn't talking about future plans. I said they tied the vaults together properly to the "kill everyone and repopulate" plan

[patent bolt]

So since their heading to new Vegas dose that mean the NCR will be in the show

[red forge]

Possible.

[rapid nest]

This is just a theory but here is a list of charcters that could or will be in the show based on how likely or not likely
Most likely (probably just gonna be one or two)
100% sure he will be there is raul and mr house and possibly victor marcus yes man and the kings and maybe boone or no-bark and for charcters im sure wont show up are doc mitchell courier six lily i really doubt they would show up amongst others but those are the only ones i can name right now

I would also love for one of the charcters or a side charcter ? (Something similar to what thaddeus does after he locks maximus in the pa) they try going to new vegas and end up running into quarry junction lol something like that could happen since deathclaws have been 100% confirmed to show up at some point

[rigid marten]

hey so, with the pipboy, can i upload custom songs onto it?

because i have no clue what the kpss radio is, and theres not alot of stations near me

[honest agate]

Want to know something funny? We know that in Fallout 4 that the bombs fell at around 9am, and we know that the Boston area falls under the Eastern Standard (EST) Time Zone. However, in the first episode of the Fallout show that Cooper and his daughter are attending a birthday party the day the bombs fell. However, Pacific Standard Time is three hours earlier than Eastern. That means that these kids are eating cake and watching TV at 6am in full sun!

[lofty prairie]

Oop

[sturdy tundra]

I don't think VT and the Enclave are necessarily working together post-War

They were working together and shared a bunch of tech, but they haven't shown any real alliance since then and if anything the Enclave's shown borderline derision with how they handled the Vault inhabitants and such in F2

The Enclave is trying to wipe out everyone else and rebuild America™️. VT is just trying to rebuild VT under the guise of America™️. They're not necessarily mutually cooperative goals.

[honest agate]

Good point. We’ve seen in the Fallout 2 intro how the Enclave treat non-irradiated Vault Dwellers (even children!).

[sturdy tundra]

Hence, the Vaults can be used by the Enclave for their starship project just fine if Bethesda wants to continue with that. They're just not exactly what VT are using them for either.

Everyone's got their own different angles.

[lofty prairie]

VT's plan is the same as the Enclave i.e wipe out everyone else and rebuild the world however they want.

The Enclave's methods changed over the years as we see in FO2 but the overall plan remained the same

VT's vault program was specifically built for the Enclave's plans

[lofty prairie]

That actually makes no sense because later on it's revealed they kidnap vault dwellers and enslave them. Just mindlessly killing them doesn't make much sense

That scene pretty much exists just to tell you the Enclave are comically evil

[lavish turtle]

I have a question. I know that this has most likely already been asked, but why won't Bethesda allow for the Fallout TV series to give Fallout New Vegas a canon ending?

I think the second season will most likely also be good, but it does slightly confuse me

[civic cliff]

Guys I have a new theory: all of the endings of New Vegas are not canon. Instead, Yuri Lowenthal will reprise his role as Oliver Swanick, who will be the new ruler of Vegas.

[red forge]

You're making a definitive assumption on speculation. We don't yet know for certain what's going to happen.

[lavish turtle]

Dear lord no

[lavish turtle]

I was basing it on an interview with Todd Howard wherein he effectively said that they’re trying to evade giving New Vegas a canon ending. Maybe behind closed doors they’ve changed their minds, so you’re right that I am making an assumption since we don’t know or have any internal documents (as of now)

[civic cliff]

They should just rip the bandage off

I personally think it should be a really flimsy independent vegas ending (except house was not killed by the Courier, simply kept on life support.) Then we could still get bits of Mr. House, Yesman, and even The Legion.

[vivid urchin]

that would make sense

[civic cliff]

But I’d be happy with any ending being canon. Even the legion ending would be surprising and kinda funny.

[sturdy tundra]

Since it'd involve invalidating everyone else's playthroughs.

That said, at some point, you do gotta just Tell A Specific Story.

[simple blaze]

My favorite part of the show is when the bombs drop and when that family gets into their bomb shelter, the dad right hooks the guy trying to get in with his daughter

Most reasonable guy in LA honestly

[tribal furnace]

Its a year late but rewatching the Vault-Tec management training videos on the Amazon Prime homepage, whoever scripted them should be in line for a PrivateEye satire award:

*** “Hypocrisy is unavoidable with our current societal configuration.”***

[raven mural]

Please do not bypass the profanity filter, it exists for a reason

[viscid sedge]

Im on episode 5

[stuck glacier]

I have a question,about the Fallout tv series pipboy, it's a limited edition correct? When will they stop selling it if so?

I wanna get it so badly but I might not be able to get it until Autumn

[red forge]

You're probably best to contact this company for that info: https://www.thewandcompany.com/fallout-pip-boy/

They look like they were commissioned to produce it.

[next goblet]

Has anyone gotten ahold of the new Piboy yet?

[agile vault]

I got one, extremely small and only the face of it is metal.
Very disappointed.

[lofty prairie]

so if the Prydwen survived Fallout 4 does that mean the BoS also has an operational Liberty Prime and PAM ?

[red forge]

We'll find out.

[acoustic lagoon]

I have the e3 pipboy so I guess and I’m new here by the way

[urban tendon]

that or they werent touched by the Sole Survivor, fan service wise them having liberty prime would go crazy tho, so probably that

[sturdy tundra]

Even if Liberty Prime was destroyed, it's hardly the first time.

They've rebuilt it before, they'll do it again. Or make a brand new robot altogether.

[urban plaza]

The time has finally come. I am back baby!!! My first video is ready for viewing. This time we take a look at the Fallout on Prime series fifth episode. https://youtu.be/2A76u6julSs

[runic swan]

Bring back Sapient speaking Deathclaws.

[lofty prairie]

When is season 2 coming out?

[tender cypress]

Sometime next year

[red forge]

Filming reportedly only began a few months ago.

Oh and it's on pause, or was paused, due to the LA bushfires.

[spring obsidian]

The fallout TV retconed so many things from new vegas like the fall of shady sands

And I'm curious to see which ending of New vegas it is?

[red forge]

We'll find out.

[graceful mason]

Vermont?

[sturdy tundra]

Vault-Tec

[sturdy tundra]

Not so much NV, the overall downfall of the NCR would be contemporary with F3 (it wasn't exactly in the healthiest state in FNV) but Todd clarified the actual nuke wasn't until after FNV

[lofty prairie]

It didn't retcon anything except SS's location

[wise cloak]

Ss's location changed why?

[lofty prairie]

Probably so they don't have to walk halfway across the map to reach it. They also didn't actually get to shoot the show in California so the geography wasn't that accurate.

Plus it was also changed in Fallout 2 so it fits the new map

[hollow quartz]

It's actually pretty much entirely compatible with new vegas, but the shady sands retcon actually makes it incompatible with the original game, technically speaking.

[sturdy tundra]

At worst they can just retcon it as "they re-established Shady Sands closer to the capital when they formed the NCR"

because Shady Sands's original location was in the middle of Death Valley

And F1 is set during a drought on top of that

The only reason they had any kind of living conditions are thanks to their Vault's GECK, and those only go so far.

[lofty prairie]

I have a theory about the TV show: what if the Courier never existed or died? In the game Fallout: New Vegas, the Courier goes on to defeat the deathclaws at Quarry Junction, but spoilers suggest deathclaws are a major threat in the show’s version of New Vegas. This leads me to believe that either the Courier turned evil or was never there to begin with. It doesn’t make sense to me that a simple courier in the Wasteland would suddenly gain plot armor in the middle of a midlife crisis—it feels unrealistic. So, what I’m suggesting is that without the Courier, the events of Fallout: New Vegas never unfolded as they did in the game. Instead, chaos erupted, war broke out, and it didn’t matter who won because the deathclaws would have overwhelmed and destroyed New Vegas in the end.

[sturdy tundra]

Or just... deathclaws are gonna show up at some point. I feel like you're majorly reaching there.

At no point does it indicate they're gonna be a major threat, it's a skull; we know they're tough, and we know they can be killed (exhibit A: the skull).

There's a lot of stuff the creators wanted to play around with in S1 but just couldn't due to time constraints, and that would include deathclaws (see also that one supermutant arm near the yao guai cave)

S2's sounding to be much more open since they know this project Does Actually Work, and no doubt the Quarry Junction situation's gonna come up at some point; even if the Courier straight up St. Jiub'd the whole Mojave of deathclaws, this is several years later and there's plenty more where they came from.

[red forge]

Let alone the fact Deathclaws are everywhere.

[sturdy tundra]

Some of the deathclaws we see could even be three smaller deathclaws in a suit pretending to be adults.

[hollow quartz]

Imagine if they bring back the talking deathclaws

[reef hinge]

I mean the tunnelers are actually the ones that are shown as a major threat

But deathclaws are a major threat aswell, like a large enough group could wipe out a major settlement, they aren't invincible but they have skin on par with military combat armor

[hollow quartz]

Something about the tunnelers bothers me TBH. Don't know what it is exactly.

[dim halo]

Man, Knight Titus is so weak lol

He should've had the T-60 Plot Armor

I'd love a scene with Cooper and Lucy heading back to 33 and him spilling the tea about Vault-Tec

[marble meadow]

Yeah LT Titus is soo much better

[visual pagoda]

Nah man that's a wild take. The entirety of New Vegas happens because House miscalculated the day the bombs would drop and didn't get his chip on time. How am I supposed to believe that the guy was privy to EVERYTHING except the date?

[lofty prairie]

Who says he was?
How did you know China didn't beat them to the nuking?

[hollow quartz]

We don't even know that Vault-Tec actually went through with dropping the nukes themselves.

[visual pagoda]

I call cope. You don't put a scene like that in your show only for it to ultimately mean nothing. And it doesn't even matter if China ends up dropping the nukes first. NV portrays House as a genius who predicted the nukes and only got the day wrong. It's hardly a prediction if he was actively knowledgeable of and participating in a faction's world-ending shenanigans. You'd think he would mention being blindsided by a third party, and for some reason he doesn't, the same way no one from the NCR in the Mojave thinks of bringing up the total destruction of their capital that happened just a few years prior.

[lofty prairie]

We literally see Cooper's daughter being left in the open and not in a vault which was the whole reason his wife agreed to the plan.

AND Coop himself was eavesdropping on the meeting. How would he not know when the bombs dropped?

Not to mention the meeting takes place late in the timeline.
House had already started preparations by then and the chip was minted late.

Not like he was sitting on it, waiting for when the bombs would drop

And.
Shady Sands was nuked after NV.
Not before

[visual pagoda]

For the same reason we're not told the planned date during said meeting? Because you'll need multiple meetings to prepare the end of the world?

[lofty prairie]

And you're just assuming House and co attended all of them and knew the date?

Vault Tec and the Enclave have never tried screwing their clients over.
Sure

[visual pagoda]

Irrelevant. Even if we suppose that House wasn't aware of Vault-Tecs planned date, he was aware of the plan in itself. Why would he then later declare that he "predicted" the nukes?

[lofty prairie]

What does that contradict?
He predicted the world would devolve into nuclear war.
Doesn't matter which side fires it

He predicted either side would eventually resort to destroying the world.
And he was right. Either VT or China did it

[visual pagoda]

Okay, sure. Suppose that the mushroom on that board is not related to the date right next to it. The "fall of shady sands" still happened in 77, even if it was simply overrun by mole rats or something. Why does everyone in the Mojave forget to mention it?

[lofty prairie]

Fall can imply many things including economic problems, population overload or food/water shortage

2 of which are implied directly in NV itself

[visual pagoda]

If I tell you "I will soil my pants somewhere in the next five years" you cannot claim that you "predicted it" when it finally happens

[lofty prairie]

They did tell you.
Most of the world was literally at war over resources.
Nuclear fire is the only end point

You can't just look at half the world fighting a losing war and then claim
"Surely they'll never think about completely destroying each other"

[visual pagoda]

What is the "fall of the Berlin wall" ? When is the "fall of Rome" ? The "fall of the USSR" ? "The fall" isn't just "some place in time when things are rough". It is the end point

[lofty prairie]

The entire period of rome's fall is stated to be ranging over multiple decades.

They don't just pick the final year and go "this is fall of rome"

[visual pagoda]

Exactly. NV House tells us "I saw how things where going and predicted it would go nuclear" not 'I has inside knowledge and knew the bombs were coming one way or the other"

[steep cypress]

But Shady Sands didn't fall over time. It was destroyed in an instant. There's no mention anywhere in the show of Shady Sands experiencing any kind of decline. We're literally told that it was a "wonderful city that was everything the vaults had promised to be."

[lofty prairie]

You don't need inside knowledge to know the world will errupt in nuclead war after years of boots on the ground fighting.

[lofty prairie]

The chart in V4 does.
2277 is when the fall starts as per it

[steep cypress]

It doesn't say it "starts" there. We're only given one date. And that date is the same year when Lucy's mother died.

[lofty prairie]

Nope. Lucy's mother is not given a death date

2277 is only stated to be the year it starts

[steep cypress]

Lucy says she died in the Great Plague of 2277

When does the chalkboard say that it "started" in 2277?

[lofty prairie]

??
That's a lie Hank told.
She died from being ghoulified from the nuking

[visual pagoda]

Google "when was the fall of Rome" rn. No one would write anything other than "1945" next to "fall of the 3rd Reich" because the fall is understood to be the last moments, even if the decline started earlier

[steep cypress]

"You know, my Vault has endured hardship, too. In the Great Plague of ’77, everyone had to quarantine, they couldn’t work the farms together. People starved. My mother included. My dad dropped to 128 pounds, and he still refused to do anything like this."

Lucy still says she died in 2277. And the Fall of Shady Sands happened in 2277. The circumstances were a lie, but the date is never contradicted.

[lofty prairie]

I did.
The entire period starting from their loss of power to civil disputes and the final Emperor being dethroned is called
"FALL of Rome"

[lofty prairie]

Lucy literally shoots her mom in the final episode.
Did you even watch the show

[steep cypress]

That's not what I'm talking about? Lucy doesn't know what really happened to her mom, but the last time she saw her was in 2277. That's when she was brought back to Vault 33 and when the Fall of Shady Sands happened. So when does the show contradict the date?

[lofty prairie]

AND the nuking happened after NV. Not in 2277.
She didn't die that year

[steep cypress]

The show makes it abundantly clear that it happened in 2277.

[visual pagoda]

You have nothing to substantiate that shady sands was nuked after NV.

[lofty prairie]

That is also not true.
Lucy doesn't fully remember how long she was out.
Hank manipulated and brainwashed her

[lofty prairie]

???
Todd literally confirmed it

[visual pagoda]

This is called backpedalling

Todd goes against what the show tells us

[lofty prairie]

Or it's called a bunch of people misinterpreting one thing forcing a guy to clear the mess up else they launch a nuke themselves

[marble meadow]

The Fall of the NCR likely started with the Mojave campaign (we’re told that the ncr simply isn’t doing well monetarily, as well as the large amount of political corruption.) and it ended with the nuking of shady sands (which Todd Howard said when questioned on the matter happened shortly after new Vegas)

[steep cypress]

Again, when does the show contradict the date? Or are you saying that Lucy doesn't know how old she really is?

[marble meadow]

A “fall” of a nation includes the events leading up to it

[visual pagoda]

You are deliberately misinterpreting what "the fall" means to fit your narrative

[visual pagoda]

What year would you write next to "fall of the third Reich" ? Why?

[lofty prairie]

Lucy was lied to what she was actually doing in her childhood.
She didn't even know they were outside until Moldaver pointed it out.

[lofty prairie]

I am interpretating it exactly how "falls" over a gradual cycle are described.

You're the one pretending it happened in a single day

[marble meadow]

I didn’t look into the fall of the third reich so idk whatever year the treaty of Versailles was signed?

[visual pagoda]

My bad, I forgot you are an American

[steep cypress]

You're still not answering the question. The events that happend were a lie. When does the show state that the date was a lie too?

[lofty prairie]

The show doesn't state anything.
All it says is everything Hank told was a lie.
You're assuming part of it wasn't a lie

[visual pagoda]

It states that shady sands falls in 2277. Which you're still unable to acknowledge

[steep cypress]

I'm not assuming anything. What I'm doing is following the plot of the show instead making up stuff that is never stated in the show.

[marble meadow]

Yeah they glance over it in school because if they taught the ins and outs of the conflict it would so that on top of the axis being evil, none of the allied leaders were shining example of humanity either

[lofty prairie]

Falls don't happen in a single day which you can't seem to acknowledge

[steep cypress]

They do when a city gets nuked

[lofty prairie]

But you are making up stuff.
The show never states exactly how much of what Hank told Lucy was a lie.

Heck we don't even know how old she is. We legit have no idea

[marble meadow]

Let me go look at the chalkboard again

[lofty prairie]

Which happened later as even the chart points out with an arrow

[steep cypress]

What lmao? Again, I'm repeating what the show says. You're the one assuming that the show telling us that Lucy's mom died in 2277 and then showing us that the Fall of Shady Sands happened in 2277 is completely meaningless.

[visual pagoda]

It does not matter if it takes 100 years. When you write a date for "fall of X" you write the final date, not the date it began. The date it began tells you nothing precisely because a fall can take hundreds of years

[lofty prairie]

The show doesn't tell us that.

The ONLY part claiming she died in 2277 was a complete lie.

How do we know the date was accurate if everything surrounding it was a lie

[steep cypress]

You mean a drawing without a date or a name? Why would they not say when the destruction of Shady Sands happened? Why would they show some random "beginning of a decline" instead?

[visual pagoda]

The ONLY time we see an arrow on that board, and there's no date next to it, how convenient

[lofty prairie]

They kept it vague.
Which is why Todd had to manually come out and explain the whole thing.
I assume they were saving it up as a reveal in S2

[steep cypress]

Why should we assume it's inaccurate when there's nothing contradicting it?

[lofty prairie]

Yeah. Surely that can never mean something else other than "yeah it was nuked on this exact date"

Why didn't they just draw the nuke in 2277 itself

[visual pagoda]

Maybe they will reveal how the Master missed 3 Vaults full of pure yummy humans right next to his crib

[steep cypress]

Right, because it makes a lot of sense to keep the most important event on that timeline hidden and instead focus on a completely unrelated decline?

[marble meadow]

I’m ngl looking at the “timeline” on the board how could shady sands fall then get nuked? If it “fell” then there would be no point to nuking it

So a backpedal is all that makes sense

[lofty prairie]

You mean the guy who literally didn't know his mutants were sterile. Something his entire plan hinged on.

Lol. Sure

[visual pagoda]

Precisely because the nuking is the reason of the fall, as demonstrated by the arrow pointing straight at it

[marble meadow]

Unlucky show defense I guess

[hollow quartz]

That's what I meant when I said that it's surprisingly incompatible with Fallout 1.

[lofty prairie]

Yup.
Nolan even said in the game awards that they had a lot of stuff planned out for New Vegas in S2.

[visual pagoda]

Fallout 4 too since apparently the Brotherhood blimp could make the trip back even though we learn in 4 that they used all its energy to reach the Commonwealth

[steep cypress]

What does this have to do with Shady Sands? The plot of the first season revolves around it's destruction. There's no logical reason for them to not say when it happened.

[marble meadow]

Makes sense, when did new Vegas happen again? Like 2280something?

[lofty prairie]

Heck. The only time in the entire show the Main Fallout theme plays is when Lucy holds the NCR flag.

They definitely have plans for them

[visual pagoda]

81

[hollow quartz]

I could absolutely buy Mr. House as bragging about predicting an event he knew a good deal of the details of, that's the type of person he is. I can buy the master missing a couple vaults. I have a really hard time buying shady sands being right next to the cathedral and still emerging unscathed to found the NCR.

[lofty prairie]

They already revealed as much as needed.
Fallout 1 didn't need to reveal exactly how things went down to the last minute detail moments after the bombs dropped.

It was further expanded later on

[hollow quartz]

Nah that makes sense. They probably upgraded it with recovered institute tech.

[marble meadow]

Ah so just backpedaling confirmed.

[steep cypress]

But Fallout 1 told us when the Great War happened. It didn't say that the Great War happened when China invaded Alaska, did it?

[visual pagoda]

BoS canon ending for FO4 confirmed

[marble meadow]

They should have cared enough about lore to make a cohesive story instead of saying “worry about it later”

[visual pagoda]

Wait no. What recovered tech ? They blew up the whole thing

[lofty prairie]

The show also tells us the nuking happened roughly 10 years ago.
The exact date isn't necessary in context of the plot.

Fallout 1 also doesn't give us any details about how things declined. How and when the war turned bad.

It's all added later

[marble meadow]

Can’t use the enclave cop out anymore 😔

[hollow quartz]

Fallout 4 doesn't have a canon ending currently.

[visual pagoda]

That's what I'm saying. Of course we can enjoy the show, but we shouldn't pretend that it makes sense

[lofty prairie]

Mind you everyone just assumed the arrow meant the nukes dropped in 2277.
It definitely can't mean anything else

[steep cypress]

If the date of it's destruction isn't neccessary, then why would they include the date of some metaphorical decline, which is completely irrelevant to the main plot?

[marble meadow]

Why would you nuke a city if it already fell?

[visual pagoda]

Why is this the ONLY arrow? Why didn't they do what they did for the rest of the board?

[lofty prairie]

Because it's still standing?
The NCR had issues even in NV, does that mean it's dead?

[marble meadow]

Fall and standing contradict one another

[lofty prairie]

Does it not surprise you that no other major event on the chart is marked with an arrow.
Just the nuking?
Could it really not mean ANYTHING else?

[visual pagoda]

No, and before the show, I wouldn't say 2281 was "the fall" of the NCR, even if they were on the decline. Maybe because that's not what it means?

[lofty prairie]

The show never states the entire NCR fell.
One town was in major decline which NV doesn't contradict

[steep cypress]

Or maybe the arrow is there to show how the Fall happened?

So that it would be clear to absolutely everyone?

[lofty prairie]

Yeah. Clearly the game devs do such a good job with.

Not like Fallout 2 itself contradicts bunch of Fallout 1

[marble meadow]

If the place was still standing then why was it called a fall unless the nuke hit it?

[visual pagoda]

The NCR didn't fall? Where are they? They were the top dog, and now all that's left is a group of cultists and Muldavers posse

[lofty prairie]

Because there were still people there.
Fall doesn't mean a place is dead.

Moldaver was specifically working to help the place and she might've succeded

[lofty prairie]

Yes we clearly visit so many NCR locations in the show.

Definitely enough info to tell us an entire nation state randomly dissappeared

[marble meadow]

Yknow man idk maybe it’s wrong to expect improving upon mistakes

[lofty prairie]

It's not about mistakes.
It's that the series is over 20 years long.

Mistakes will happen. Even Tim Cain said so

[marble meadow]

Shady sand was the capital and the remainder of ncr command was wiped out at the observatory by the brotherhood, so yes the ncr is simply gone.

[lofty prairie]

They imply they switched capitals before the nuking

[visual pagoda]

Doesn't help when writers clearly say they refuse to be beholden by something that was written 20 years ago

[hollow quartz]

The NCR at minimum fragmented.

[lofty prairie]

They do.
Mistakes can still happen

[lofty prairie]

This is true.
Looks like they lost the LA area

[marble meadow]

So because it happened in fallout 2 and because Tim Cain said mistakes will happen that means we should excuse all future mistakes however many years later?

[marble meadow]

Where?

[lofty prairie]

The board in Shady Sands says
"FIRST capital of the NCR"

[lofty prairie]

Yup.
Because designers are also human beings. They try keeping things as tight knit as possible.

But expecting EVERYTHING to be perfectly in line with 20 years worth of lore is goofy

[marble meadow]

I see

[visual pagoda]

Maybe they'll give the NCR some rest and butcher the Legion's lore next season

[lofty prairie]

I hope they do so the NV shills get riled up even more

[visual pagoda]

Not that I mind, I didn't even watch the show, I'm just having fun

[marble meadow]

I hope yes man is the one in control of the strip

[lofty prairie]

I hope NV is destroyed and the tunnelers won

No wait. I hope Elijah won and the entire Mojave is gone

[marble meadow]

I think the shows fine but arguing that it all makes sense is false

[visual pagoda]

I mean Freeside at least has been completely leveled from what we see in the show

[lofty prairie]

It makes as much sense as any of the games.
Every Fallout media is flawed

[marble meadow]

Check the end credits 💀

[marble meadow]

Nah fallout 2 was peak

Tunnelers stood on business fr

[lofty prairie]

I hope that's the future.
Burn everything to the ground.
I want to see everyone seethe

[visual pagoda]

Fallout Shelter will remain the only true canon game

[marble meadow]

Fallout shelter is objectively the best fallout game

[lofty prairie]

Fallout shelter was so good they made an online version of it

[marble meadow]

And region locked it 💀

76 dreams that it could be on FSO’s level

[visual pagoda]

Forgot 76 was a thing

[marble meadow]

Wish I could

I have one achievement left to get and I’m pretty much done

[visual pagoda]

I hope the Enclave are the bad guys in the next game, that would be refreshing

Maybe the story can be about looking for a missing family member or something

[marble meadow]

I hope the enclave finally get good writing in the next game

[visual pagoda]

Did you play AR2?

[marble meadow]

Say that’s not a bad idea, you should apply to bethesdas writing team.

[marble meadow]

I did

[visual pagoda]

I have many ideas. We could have a big conflict between the Brotherhood and the Enclave

[visual pagoda]

Good

[marble meadow]

Allow me to piggyback off of this: we should also only allow you to join the brotherhood, and make things unrealistically stacked against the enclave

[visual pagoda]

What do you mean the most well-equiped faction in the Wasteland shouldn't get steamrolled

Are you insane

[marble meadow]

Obviously 200 year old power armor should clean sweep the most recent additions created by one of the two factions that could actually create infrastructure

[visual pagoda]

Well, maybe if they do a mission where we have a giant robot that does all the work for us it would make for good storytelling

[marble meadow]

If I didn’t know any better I’d think you were trying to make a game out of this

[visual pagoda]

I would never

Fallout is peak writing nowadays I couldn't dream of matching that

[marble meadow]

|| disclaimer: I love fallout 3 || but true

[thick patio]

Let's keep this channel focused on the Fallout TV series please.

[frail trellis]

https://tenor.com/view/now-you're-getting-it-cooper-howard-the-ghoul-fallout-you're-starting-to-understand-gif-2090963656857037582

[lofty prairie]

https://media.tenor.com/hteHevYc1wAAAAAM/fred-armisen-fallout.gif

[tender cypress]

https://tenor.com/view/fallout-lucy-maclean-oh-golly-holy-moly-holy-cow-gif-1072218153821578486

[urban plaza]

New Fallout video is live. This time we discover the 6th episode in the fallout series and uncover the lore within. https://youtu.be/NB6SrHM6IvY

[kindred zenith]

Will season 2 actually have the budget for energy weapon special effects??
Season 1 showed various energy weapons, even some by battle-ready forces but not a single plasma particle or laser beam was ever fired xD

[red forge]

It'll probably be like Star wars, original trilogy. Anything that didn't happen or looked cheap in ep 4 will be added/enhanced from here on in. Season 1 would have had "testing the water" aspects to production.

[vale bison]

I’d quite like to see the knights with Gatling guns

[reef hinge]

tbf i think its good for productions to have tame budgets, and im guessing they prioritized the power armor and monsters over energy weapons

[sturdy tundra]

Season 1 was very much rationing its budget, S2 sounds to be much more open.

[lofty prairie]

They had the budget. It was a creative choice not to show everything in the first season and save more for later

There's way more complex cgi work in S1 than energy weapon effects

[reef hinge]

Budgets arent infinite though

well they shouldnt be at least

[red forge]

I agree with @lofty prairie 's rationale. It's clear they had the budget, but you don't want to overdo it on delivery in just the opening season.

[spark island]

The NCR budget and the Enclave Budget

[valid copper]

I hope we see a power struggle in the Brotherhood between Arthur Maxson and Elder Cleric Quintus. I don't know how new the clerics are to the organization, but they are clearly having a negative impact on the entire Brotherhood. And with Quintus now scheming to become the new High Elder, it's a good bet that he'll be at odds with the other Elders, especially Maxson, if he's still alive.

[raven mural]

*PSA to please keep in mind that we do not allow discussion of any unofficial information or leaks. *

[safe yew]

Ah my bad

[red forge]

I had an impression that would have been the case, but since it was already censored, and no explicit text spoiler in the thumbnail alone, I decided to not call it out.

[balmy raft]

Who else could see Bill Burr playing a ghoul character in the upcoming season? I feel like there would be a special role made just for him 😂

[vital shoal]

Now that you mention it, yes I could see that. 🙂

[plush quest]

Dream scenario: The show runs for 6 seasons and a movie that ultimately leads into Fallout 5. It takes place across the entire West Coast and Mojave regions and we get to see what happened in the 50 years since Fallout 2.

It'd feature a heavily updated and fully realized 3d version of the original 1, 2, and NV maps with an area so big that vehicle transportation is needed.

[mighty geyser]

If you own the pipboy 3000 mark v, make sure you check your email for an firmware update from the wand company

[fallow loom]

Guys? If we are going to fallout new Vegas would that mean we get more cowboy/gunslinger like characters?

[urban plaza]

New video is live. This time we are taking a look at episode 7 of the Fallout television series. https://youtu.be/ZkXZFDL6jKA

[soft magnet]

Somewhat fallout 4 related but also TV show related

I believe the minutemen ending is cannon, let me explain

There's 3 possibilities

1. The minutemen destroyed the prydwen and the prydwen we see in the show is a Mk.2 or newly made version of the prydwen, and there's small Brotherhood units/scribes still in the Commonwealth in secrecy.

2. The Minutemen later on after destroying the institute told/demanded the Brotherhood to leave the Commonwealth as the reason for them mainly being there (the threat of the institute) has been delt with, with the Brotherhood either leaving because they didn't want the Commonwealths people going against them/having beef with the bos for starting a war with the minutemen, or probably from an aggressive approach of telling the Brotherhood to leave or else the minutemen would use their artillery on the prydwen and the bos wouldn't be able to respond quick in time to save the prydwen forcing the bos to leave the Commonwealth

3. The bos and minutemen were on good terms and there was no escalation between the 2 factions, with the minutemen allowing the Brotherhood to deal with super Mutants and remnants of the institute in exchange they leave the people of the Commonwealth and the minutemen alone, and when the Brotherhood left the Commonwealth the minutemen had full reign over the Commonwealth

(I don't believe the nuka world raiders DLC ending where you side with the raiders is cannon because the Brotherhood would definitely not let that slide especially considering the nuka world raiders are a more organized raider group and mean business)

I think the minutemen ending is cannon because that ending is considered by most the good ending

Then there's also liberty prime which we have no info on, if liberty prime was done with construction we would have seen him in the show or mentions of him but we haven't, indicating that they made fallout 4s ending a mystery between Brotherhood and minutemen

[ripe canyon]

Only the “this is radio freedom voice of the minutemen” part is missing from the radio, then it would sound cool.

[naive kayak]

https://tenor.com/view/fallout4-gif-5924860

[ripe canyon]

I do hope the minutemen are in the show too

[late ravine]

maximus leaves brotherhood and finds preston garvey, then they destroy the brotherhood with the power of friendship and live happy ever after

[lilac sequoia]

Thats in the commonwealth

[ripe canyon]

I hope it’s featured

[lilac sequoia]

the issue is this would have to imply the Minutemen ending is canon considering Nate or Nora is the current general porbably

[lusty karma]

The good endings are probably always canon

Minutemen Institute ending is most logical anyway

Because the Brotherhood is left to do their own thing

And the Minutemen are allowed to expand greatly

||Which explains why a Minuteman radio is set up in Cali||

[lilac sequoia]

If that airship is as it says on it, the Prywdyn. It means the Brotherhood ending was canon

U cant do the Institute ending without blowing up the prywdyn

In addition, the BOS def wouldnt let the Minutemen grow as large as Nate/Nora leads them to be unless they also joined the BOS to keep a positive relations

Imo the Minutemen radio is prob an easteregg

Just like how Fallout 76, the Pipboy manages to show up in filly

[red forge]

BoS is the current "implied" ending, because of Prydwyn, but that's all we know at the moment.

[steep cypress]

Tbf, they did tell Vanity Fair that the airship is called Caswennan

[red forge]

Nothing solid on that. Could be a miscaption.

[steep cypress]

But how? It's not like you can accidentally type "Caswennan" instead of "Prydwen"

[red forge]

It's not verified.

Did we actually see the name of it in the show? I don't recall...

[steep cypress]

I mean, it's an officially published article with info that came straight from Nolan

[red forge]

Source?

The only mention of that name in the vanity fair article is the image caption.

[steep cypress]

It's never stated verbally in the show, but in the background the airship has Prydwen written on it. The interview was made after the show was already finished

[steep cypress]

And do you think the author just made it up?

One of the Wiki users has reached out to the author of that article and he stated that the name was given by Nolan

[red forge]

No but things happen that can fuel speculation. It should be cited in the article itself, not just the image caption.

Everything I'm finding is either no consensus or believed to be misdirection. Until there's more solidity to it, it's implied at best, same as BoS ending being implied.

[steep cypress]

Or they changed their minds about it being Prydwen because they were explicitly instructed not to contradict any endings

[red forge]

Possible.

Guess we'll just need to wait for Season 2.

[foggy bridge]

Okay, I think that it is the Minutemen ending along with joining the brotherhood of steel, because when you do the Minutemen ending the brotherhood do not attack the Minuteman as a threat and just leaves them alone, not to mention that the minutemen kind of follow what the brotherhood to steel used to be like help the people, so honestly they might have just let them be and expand, but also if it was the brotherhood ending why isn’t Arthur Maxon in the series?

[lilac sequoia]

Its possible Arthur Maxon stayed behind to maintain the East Coast because not all of them is on that prydwyn in the show

Or we havent seen him because we only see through maximus’ perspective, he hasn’t been on the prydwyn

[lilac sequoia]

because if it was the whole entire East Coast, that finale would have ended a lot quicker with genuine Paladins on the field, not Knights.

[foggy bridge]

Then again, it is mentioned that the main part of the brotherhood of steel are on the West Coast even in early fallout lore, possibly to make sure that the enclave do not return

[lilac sequoia]

Most of west coast BOS is in splinters but still somehow maintain a council of elders

[lilac sequoia]

because someone like Arthur Maxson still had consent to be one at a very young age

I’d honestly wish the show would touch on other concepts like the Circle of Steel

[foggy bridge]

Yeah, I hope the show somehow brings the brotherhood of steel back to what they used to be under the command of Elder Lyon’s, possibly under the influence of Maximus, because I would love to see that or bring back Sarah Lyon’s

[lilac sequoia]

Sarah Lyons is dead and i hope bethesda reconsiders that and retcons it

cause there really is no reason for this

[foggy bridge]

I know right, she is a really good character and I would love to see Maxon vs Sarah lol

There are so much story behind that

[lilac sequoia]

I can definitely see season 2 being Lucy being someone to help lead through NCR back into its original state and we get to see a proper conflict between the BOS and NCR

adding tension between Lucy and Maximus’ relationship

[foggy bridge]

Yeah, and Mr. House and his robots.

[lilac sequoia]

Its clear Maximus is gonna rise to the ranks and maybe even end up an Elder. I find it strange his name is similar to “Maxson” almost like it hints he may end up as some leader

[lilac sequoia]

My guess is New Vegas is destroyed and the show is probably gonna be more focused on flashbacks of Vegas

[foggy bridge]

I mean, depending on the ending, we could be facing the Caesar’s Legion

[lilac sequoia]

We’ll probably get Pre-War vegas and explain the relationship between Hank and House.

Post-War during the events of New Vegas when the Legion make their way to the strip or deathclaws invade and the NCR also fighting back.

And finally present where Lucy and the Ghoul witness the remains and catch up with Hank

im 100% set the Legion is showing up for flashbacks

[lilac sequoia]

The reason is because we know Hank is responsible for nuking shady sands and MrHouse may even helped him do that

This could have been a precision strike on the NCR and crippling them on an economic level because the NCR had defeated the legion on the dam and had their sights on Vegas. Nuking shady sands was probably buying House time

House was against conflict with the NCR only because their citizens practically fund the strip but he was never on their side

[lilac sequoia]

cause we obv know Shady Sands was destroyed after new vegas, 2nd war on hoover dam

[foggy bridge]

True, hopefully they tell us who won that war in season two

[lilac sequoia]

I think what happened is the Legion lost the dam and Lanius took the remains and gave one last push on the strip. The NCR obviously showed up and the securitrons. Something happened and Deathclaws started to show up def from Quarry Junction

[foggy bridge]

That would seem reasonable and yeah Quarry Junction would be very difficult to get through, (just realised it is so nice to talk to someone else who knows what I’m talking about lol)

[lilac sequoia]

Unhealthy amount of New Vegas hours

[foggy bridge]

Yup and unhealthy fallout research lol (haven’t actually got past new Vegas yet but I’m starting a new play through at the moment)

[lilac sequoia]

Played almost every ending

May have missed some side factions but besides that ive kinda done enough to understand where they might take the show

[foggy bridge]

I accidentally broke the game and went straight to the strip and proceeded to talk to the cowboy robot who told me to go up to Mr. House and most of the main quest was broken at that point.

[lilac sequoia]

There is an option where the Courier can shut down house but not kill him, just leave him completely alive but no access to his securitrons

Which imo is the best option to do post war House

[foggy bridge]

One mission, I absolutely hate is taking down the shadowkin, they are such a pain and so scary lol

[foggy bridge]

That actually is an amazing ending and I may try and do that

[lilac sequoia]

My personal theory is Hank is gonna find House’s body alive and probably help him come back online to help him take down the Brotherhood

which House already dislikes because he finds them techno-fetish fanatics

[soft galleon]

https://tenor.com/view/dr-house-house-gif-11916099077674228393

HOUSE???

[lilac sequoia]

Needs his pills

[foggy bridge]

Yeah, he just became extremely wealthy pre-war lmao, took too many pills lmao

[lilac sequoia]

It would be funny if he played House