fallout-tv-series

[foggy fulcrum]

They had the resources for sure to have all types of locations across the US, not necessarily with the biggest standing armies but smaller crews.

[sly cave]

And New Vegas makes it clear that they had set up shop in chicago as well

[iron vector]

It didn't. It stated that there was an outpost in Chicago.

[sly cave]

I understand That they may have done that leaving the west coast

[iron vector]

One that EDE never found.

[true ocean]

https://tenor.com/view/reading-book-leah-assisted-living-reading-time-reading-with-coffee-gif-23420930

[foggy fulcrum]

In 76 they confirm they have a smaller crew maintaining Raven Rock as the backup should the Oil Rig Fall

[digital copper]

We don't really know if the ones in Chicago are even alive; all we know is ED-E went there and got fixed up by a random family in the area

[lunar hawk]

This is getting more into #fallout-lore than the TV show

[foggy fulcrum]

I mean I feel you can bring up other lore in terms of the show.

[sly cave]

Well, assumingly, they left Chicago for DC to head to Raven Rock to set up a new Base

Or rather make it their new base

[iron vector]

I like the idea that the TV show proposed, of there being isolated Enclave colonies out involved in their own, weird schemes. But to make ot a power player again would be just ridiculous imho, Fo4 was all the better without the Enclave in a major capacity and featuring only one returning faction.

It's like Cobra in GI Joe, there's only so many times you can defeat an enemy before they become an utter joke.

[foggy fulcrum]

It makes sense, some of them are likely not even in contact either. So either they A, are a remnant group making an attempt to regain power for the Enclave, or B, just wanna live the rest of their lives seeing that the Enclave has failed.

[iron vector]

FNV handed it elegantly and the TV show drawing on Fo2 to make Wilzig was a neat bit of continuity.

[foggy fulcrum]

BTW Fallout 4 Next Gen Update will have a side quest With Enclave Remnants attempting to gain a foothold in the Commonwealth.

[iron vector]

Probably also a tie in with the show.

[sly cave]

I feel like remant colonies of the Enclave trying to become a major influence in the wasteland again though just makes sense for their faction. We see in New Vegas that the remants who don't want to be involved integrated into society. If there are colonies that Identify themselved as Enclave, then it would stand to reason that they want to follow the Organizations mission as well

[iron vector]

But what is the mission, actually?

[foggy fulcrum]

Some are still Loyal to the Mission, some just wanna live out their lives and forget it.

[foggy fulcrum]

Which is exactly how it should be

[sly cave]

To reclaim america and wipe out the "non pure" denizens

[iron vector]

That's the oil rig under Richardson.

[sly cave]

President Eden Also wanted the same thing

[iron vector]

In Appalachia it was Eckharts dream to keep nuking China - and notably, he killed off most of the Enclave after killing off every non-Enclave government survivor to get his way.

[sly cave]

Wait can we not say the president's first name?

[iron vector]

Except Eden is a glorified toaster.

[sly cave]

Is that why they they still have the FEV to give to the player to put into water?

Like they clearly still have that mission

Or at least want to reclaim America

[iron vector]

Autumn disagreed, but he also had his men set up summary executions for genetic offenders.

[foggy fulcrum]

Meanwhile Autumn didn’t wanna keep going that route of wiping out the Unpure, he wanted to make the people instead rely on them which is why he wanted the Water Purifier. In a way to gain Power.

[iron vector]

He literally had his men execute wastelanders for genetic non-compliance and burn their corpses.

[foggy fulcrum]

He did? forgot that part

[sly cave]

My point, ultimately, is that the Enclave, regardless of how closely they follow the original mission, are still following it to some extent

[foggy fulcrum]

Regardless them controlling the Water Purifier would have allowed them to gain major control over DC.

[iron vector]

Yeah. As the head of the human component of the Enclave in DC, he is responsible for the orders. Which, you know, is par for the course for a faction of people who throw puppies into the incinerator.

[sly cave]

And if people Identify themselves as Enclave, they are probably on board with their goals as well considering they were hunted down and executed for their crimes

[iron vector]

And attempted genocide on multiple occasions, engaged in slavery, drug trade, and other fun pastimes.

[lunar hawk]

Please move to #fallout-lore This chat is for the tv show

[iron vector]

This is kind of related, as it is specifically in the context of the tv show keeping the Enclave to a minimum.

[foggy fulcrum]

I’ll respond to this in Fallout Lore

[iron vector]

As it should be, the plot is not a rehash of Fo2 then.

[digital copper]

I’ll say again — if they’d just ||nuked New Adytum instead and said the NCR pulled out of LA as a result, maybe with some graffiti scattered around indicating the locals have a lot of animosity for the republic because they were “failed” by it, I would never have spent so much time thinking about and grousing over all this|| :p

||would have left the door open for NCR to either come back strong or be completely kicked in the pants, depending on fan response and how they want to handle future seasons / games in the area||

But instead they went with this :P

RIP my dream of NCR vs The People’s Republic of Los Angeles vs The Free State of NorCal vs the resurgent Lost Hills Brotherhood vs various raiders, criminal syndicates, and anti-government guerillas taking advantage of the sheer chaos

[iron vector]

I feel they're going for VB, tho, especially with the emphasis put on power in the series.

And how vital Hoover Dam was for the homeland.

[digital copper]

Mmm… unfortunately for me I never particularly liked VB 😂

[iron vector]

That explains a lot, I loved it. Which is why I'm so chill about it, I already watched the franchise die once - and it was my safe space and escapist fantasy in an abusive family.

[digital copper]

Aww… sorry to hear that

TBF, VB has a lot of cool ideas and as I hopefully got across, I love the idea of an ||NCR collapse||, it’s just that doing so in such an abrupt and seemingly definitive manner leaves a horribly sour taste in my mouth

[crimson linden]

Ty for hiding spoilers, im very excited for the new show and getting prime video just for it

[digital copper]

Feels like they’ve been abruptly turned into a historical footnote taking a backseat to ||Vault-Tec, Brotherhood, and potentially Enclave being the only “important” parts of the franchise going forward|| 😩

[foggy fulcrum]

No lie that’s kinda similar to the Luke Skywalker character in TLJ, when we don’t see his descent properly on where he ended up by that point it annoyed many fans because we haven’t seen him in years.

[meager roost]

I don't fundamentally mind the idea of NCR collapse, but I don't like the de-emphasis of post-war society for pre-war society.

[quick coral]

That's one area, doesn't mean the NCR isnt somewhere else

Got the entire west coast pretty much, no?

[digital copper]

People keep saying that, but ||decapitating the center of government and leaving one of their central hubs of commerce and industry a desolate anarchic ruin doesn't bode well for them||

I've pointed out many times, NCR is a lot smaller and more centralized in SoCal than people think/realize; nothing north of Fresno has been incorporated as a state of the union as of NV, they just claim it as frontier territory

[quick coral]

You're right it would be a huge deal and would fracture leadership. Doesn't mean they don't exist though. Society isn't built on a single city

Where is San Diego in the lore? Sorry I don't know much about that area

[digital copper]

One of the NCR's major cities is located there, "Dayglow", capital of the eponymous "state of Dayglow", mostly populated by ghouls due to the proximity to one of the largest and most enduringly radioactive bomb craters in the continental US, "the Great Glow"

[quick coral]

Oooooh that's so cool

and the pacific northwest? That would be much easier of an area to build instead of desert w/o aqueduct

[digital copper]

They don't really have much control up that way aside from it being vaguely possibly implied that the GECK-rebuilt Arroyo (former tribal village somewhere around the Oregon border) becomes a member-settlement after the events of Fallout 2

[quick coral]

it would be cool to see caesar's legion rebuild the LA aqueduct haha

fitting for the name

[digital copper]

the Legion's almost definitely fallen ||in the same way NCR has||; they were even more on life support than ||the Republic|| lol

[quick coral]

yeah that's fair. how much mention is there of events of FO2 in bethesda titles?

sorry im not super up on pre-FO3 lore

[digital copper]

Bethesda titles? None at all AFAIK aside from the destruction of the Enclave Oil rig being the reason the Enclave went east and one reference to the NCR existing

Obsidian references it plenty in NV

[quick coral]

ok so ruling out the pacific northwest might be too heavy of a lean, no?

[digital copper]

I mean, it's possible, but like I said NV pretty heavily references it as being little more than an undeveloped frontier territory barely scraping into Oregon

[quick coral]

I know this is blasphemy to some but i REALLY wanna see what chicago is like. there's so much that could be done with the lakes, even if its BOS controlled. Maybe i should read up haha

[quick coral]

im replaying NV next. just about finished with 3, and im SUPER impressed with the story setup for 4, i guess i never realized some of these references in 3 that lead DIRECTLY into 4

[digital copper]

Oh I wanna see Chicago bad too lol

[quick coral]

it's my city, so i am biased lol

if i remember right the lore states its ALL BOS, but i find that hard to believe. a lot of the lore we see is from the perspective of the group writing it

thats what i love about fallout, what you read is based on who writes it, INCLUDING your own story.

[sly cave]

After Tactics bveing considered non canon, which I like and both the enclave and BoS being there, that would be awesome to see

I hope they do Midwestern stuff in any medium

Especially since that's where I'm from

[quick coral]

aw man theyt could do so much with the lakes in general. as maps get bigger and bigger, i could see a whole game on all of the midwest where itll take time to travel from like chicago to detroit, or up to the upperpeninsula or something.

in the next 20 years anyway lol

[sly cave]

They did Pennsylvania already with the Pitt DLC, and I think in 76 as well

But I want to see Chicago, Detroit, and Cleveland

[quick coral]

i would like eventually to see a game where it takes SIGNIFICANT amount of times to travel, i dont mean with like DLC and fast traveling, even though that could be done

[quick coral]

"at least we're not detroit!" remember that video haha

[sly cave]

So many cool things to do with cleveland

[quick coral]

"come and look at both of our buildings!" 🤣

[sly cave]

There was an interview I think where they were thinking of doing a game a game in Detroit when they were scouting for Fallout 4, and they said they scrapped the Idea because you couldn't tell the difference between the real thing and the post apocolypse version

[quick coral]

i dunno ive seen some major improvement in areas of detroit, they're really trying.

[sly cave]

Detroit was just that bad when they were scouting

[quick coral]

yeah

[sly cave]

It would be cool though if detroit had been completely turned around because of the annexation of Canada and that being a major route into the territory

[digital copper]

"the cleave" folks call it. desolate and dead, even before the bombs. choked by industrial rot and decay. now it's landscape is as scarred as its soul, more craters than you can shake a stick at and enough rads to make a ghoul start glowin' green in a matter of hours...

[sly cave]

That sounds way cooler than what I thought

[quick coral]

different history though, what industry was in the midwest according to lore?

[sly cave]

Still steel

[quick coral]

ahh okay makes sense, so it might be too similar because of pittsburg

[sly cave]

That's what the Pitt is

[quick coral]

but man im still holding out for chicago and lakes 😛

[sly cave]

Its what the raiders there had strated doing again

[quick coral]

lakes have so much cool stuff they could do

im actually about to do the pitt in 3, im finishing up the story and moving to the DLC in a few here

i played them all when they came out but havent really played since

its been a really nice playthrough theres so much i forgot ❤️

[sly cave]

Fallout 3 is a game I don't touch much because it doesn't really run at all on windows 10 but its pretty good still, for 2008 bethesda standards

[quick coral]

yeah its REALLY annoying i cannot alt-tab lol -- ive had some crashes but they're been solved mostly by having graphics on high instead of ultra

[sly cave]

Unfortunately even modern bethesda releases have these problems

[obtuse siren]

I am hoping the rumored remake is true I want Fallout 3 running on Fallout 4 engine

[sly cave]

Would be pretty neat

[quick coral]

and with the age of the game, mods are really tough. im sure many would argue but its a lot of effort and i just want to play the game instead of messing with mods for multiple hours prior to playing haha

[quick coral]

while i WANT it, if it hasnt been announced yet we'd still be looking at least a year before we'd see it

im a fan of sudden drops but i just dont see it happening given the pressure of elder scrolls 6 and stafield

[obtuse siren]

It was revealed along with the Fallout 4 next gen during the whole court room thing that Fallout 3 remake was in the works but it was suppose to be out in 2022 which didn't happen of course. Considering the Fallout 4 next gen stealth dropped after everyone assumed it was dead can only hope that Fallout 3 remake is on hte horizon

[meager roost]

My general opinion of the whole thing is that the TV show used Fallout elements as necessary to tell the story it wanted to tell.
I like that story so I'm on largely board with that. However things that previously had a large presence in the story are relegated to minor elements here.

The fall of the NCR really felt like it should've had more to it if you've been following that story thus far.

And even that wouldn't matter at all except the show is a continuation of the story instead of an on-screen adaption.

It would be like if G.R.R.M. said Arya killing the Night King was canon.

[quick coral]

yeah i read about that, i just dont hold my breath anymore for anything regarding game development haha.

[obtuse siren]

The NCR was in rapid decline during the events of New Vegas and thanks to Caesar's Legion and ||the presidents assassination|| the NCR was on their backfoot. The ||nuking of shady sands afterwards|| would have decimated what little morale was left and made it quite easy to fall.

[quick coral]

isnt it cool that the lore is so deep that we can have these conversations?

[meager roost]

Totally agree that it's a plausible direction to take. However the TV show isn't really very interested in the NCR and doesn't give the story a lot of room to breathe.

I like the TV show mind you.

Comparing it to the final GoT seasons sounds harsh in retrospect actually. I'm only referring to how that show didn't have as much care or attention for the White Walker plot.

[quick coral]

haha yeah i checked out when i read that comparison, its not apples to apples

[meager roost]

Oops.

[quick coral]

nah its all good, a lot of people like to use that comparison for a lot of things, and its almost always used to stir the pot

i see where you're coming from its just difficult to engage with

[obtuse siren]

I will diagree with that. One of the things about Fallout is it relies on context clues instead of out and out telling people. They are throughout all the episodes, and many things are there that people just hand wave as easter eggs.

[vocal rock]

It is really funny to me that this takes place the same year as Fallout 3 and ||while the Lone Wanderer is dicking around getting Project Purity going these guys on the west coast are just casually deploying a power capable of CREATING water outta nothing||

[chrome ridge]

It's not?

[digital copper]

uh, no, it takes place in 2296

19 years later

[vocal rock]

oh

huh. I guess this makes a ||Minuteman or Brotherhood|| ending in Fallout 4 canon then

[wicked gust]

I finished it 2x in the past 3 days

[meager roost]

The books don't even have a Night King.

[vocal rock]

I coulda swore I read the year Fallout 3 took place somewhere in an episode.

[foggy fulcrum]

It was on the chalkboard yes.

[digital copper]

you did, as the date ||Shady Sands "fell"||

which was when Lucy and Maximus were kids

[tough snow]

i know books and adaptations usually have differences but for real theres no night king?

[vocal rock]

Ahhh. Okay.

Also I just read that that ship is not the Prydwen so nevermind me thinking about FO4 endings lol.

[digital copper]

well, they said that in the leadup, but then in the show itself it has "PRYDWEN" visibly painted on it

[foggy fulcrum]

Which may have been a last minute change or an accident

[digital copper]

so either there was a collosal mixup with the VFX team that didn't get caught or they provided wrong/incomplete info to press outlets :P EDIT: ^ yeah that

[meager roost]

Not as of the latest book. Without knowing what GRRM told them, his existence feels like a justification to wrap up the white walker storyline as quickly as possible.

[foggy fulcrum]

Regardless it definitely takes someone going in there and editing the episode to change potential mistakes

Now I’m reminded of George Lucas never being satisfied with the Han Solo and Greedo Scene… Macklunky!

[true ocean]

https://tenor.com/view/harley-quinn-tea-drinking-sipping-reading-gif-16033206

[spice ingot]

I know, that was my point. A enclave character that is good at what he does and not these comically incompetent ones we see in every game xD

[vocal rock]

smh you calling my man Frank Horrigan incompetent? HERESY

[chrome ridge]

Well, he did allow himself to get killed by a tribal

[vocal rock]

All according to a larger machination, simpleton. You wouldn't understand

[chrome ridge]

https://tenor.com/view/jennifer-lawrence-j-law-thumbs-up-ok-good-gif-5325359

[lofty prairie]

Shaun?

[red forge]

Yes. The show takes place a few years after 4, so the show is now the farthest into the future the lore has gone, to date.

[weak mist]

God this show was amazing

[gloomy monolith]

I'm surprised that there hasn't been one instance of a character saying the line "War... war never changes." in the TV series.

Or is it because I've only watched the first two episodes.

[wanton marlin]

Keep watching.

[chrome temple]

Yeah you want to keep watching

[vocal rock]

man i hate when places have bots that delete your entire message. for a series that is literally M-rated I didn't expect a language filter. Thanks for eating my entire freaking appreciation post. I don't feel like reposting it :/

[obtuse siren]

I mean the rules are posted and this is an all ages discord basically. Not to mention discord rules and all anyways.

[vocal rock]

Discord rules allow cursing, dunno what you're talking about there. But I'm just surprised because like everything talked about in this server is an M-rated product not including Fallout Shelter actually idk what that's rated.

But anyway it's just a bummer because I was gushing over an element of the show in a bit of detail and it got eaten. Hate that.

[red forge]

Purposefully circumventing our profanity filter or otherwise cursing or using profanity is not permitted.

[obtuse siren]

The games being M-Rated has nothing to do with the server rules, or the fact BGS wants the server to be suitable for all ages.

[trim quest]

#rules

[vocal rock]

Yes, I understand that. I'm just stating my surprise.

[trim quest]

It has to do with being a partner for Discord. Even Mortal Kombats' server doesn't allow for profanity

[vocal rock]

Ah, I see.

Didn't know that, thanks for sharing. I'll stop monopolizing the channel off-topic now

[spring pawn]

Oh crap hold on let me change it

https://fxtwitter.com/cassafra5/status/1779380371169419400?t=MzbG1FrWIqADE40xeaRaCg&s=19

Oh well if it gets banned it gets banned 🤷 it's really funny though

[spice ingot]

That ship is the prydwen or a new ship?

dang, that means the BoS in FO4 survived ...

and sadly, this show just made my 2 most hated things from FO4 official

t60 and the assault abomination ...

[chrome ridge]

||Apparently it’s the Prydwen. Still frames of the ship have the name carved/painted on it.||

[lofty prairie]

oh

thats odd

||So its not called the Caswennan?||

[chrome ridge]

Yeah

I can’t upload the picture here since channel settings don’t let me

[lofty prairie]

So if thats the || Prydwyn then does that mean Elder Maxson is possibly alive? ||

[chrome ridge]

Can’t say. Nobody knows.

[lofty prairie]

My guess is:

|| The Brotherhood of Steel is likely the candidate for the canon ending of the lore. Due to the fact that the Brotherhood is using their aircraft to push West with a crew of East coast BOS knights ||

[small ingot]

Who spotted the vintage Pyrex in the Fotv series?

And that they also copied the camp wall paintings.

[brazen sluice]

I saw a mini nuke charm hanging in the cockpit of the vertibird

I love this show so much I’m already watching through it a second time

[lofty prairie]

|| I feel like the reason The Ghoul didnt kill Maximus so easily in the T-60 was because of a call back to when Maximus asked knight titus about the “Tempered Lining.” If you notice Maximus and Lucy notice it in the lower torso of the armor which is where the Ghoul shot when explaining the flaw of the wielding below the chest piece||

|| Which btw, the Tempered mod is used to increase damage and energy damage resistance ||

|| Its just kinda odd because Tempered is used for normal armor? not Power Armor mods so im guessing the “lining” is just a material that covers the flaws of the T-60 and not because its used for Mobility or what Lucy was gonna say before passing out ||

[lyric topaz]

The Fallout TV show is canon to the rest of the Fallout universe, correct?

[storm verge]

Yes

[storm verge]

I can’t stand all the reviews videos on YouTube saying that the show is the worst thing ever because all the review sites say otherwise and then claim everyone who does like it is just simping for Bethesda

[last lotus]

im a proud bethesda simp 🔥 lmaooo

[storm verge]

Like it’s okay to have criticism but hating it just to hate it is annoying and I love Bethesda’s games love the way they do RPG’s but the trend of hating things just to go against the grain is dumb

[signal isle]

Nobody takes them seriously tbh. The reviews by non-haters says it all + most of the "critics" against the show by these specific people can be refuted

Nobody cares about "large companies vs the small man" anti-capitalist propaganda that is brought up even in this case

[storm verge]

Yeah and majority of complaints are “too woke”

[signal isle]

(No i dont talk about the critics in the show itself that handles this capitalism topic)

[storm verge]

Yeah I know what you mean

[signal isle]

True, i mean they definitelly brought up diversity here but they didnt nearly shove "the wokeness" onto us as some of those claim

[storm verge]

Some people just can’t stand the main protagonists not being cishet white men

[signal isle]

Ridiculous

Wow there is one "non-binary" side character in the show and relationships between a black and white human, "so woke"

If i gotta give some critics its just some bad CGI animations in the show

and for my personal taste I wish a bit more seriousness in some scenes

But otherwise this is chefs kiss show for me

[storm verge]

Agreed it’s what game adaptations should be keeping true to the source material and even incorporating gameplay mechanics in a way that makes sense

[signal isle]

Oh yeah i suppose some of those goofy scenes might actually indeed be a easter egg for the Fallout game bugs and glitches

[storm verge]

Yeah like you can tell when they do skill checks like characters being taken at their word even though they say it in such a suspicious manner

[signal isle]

Might be confusing for those that didnt play Fallout games before but it seems like they "all" liked the show

[storm verge]

Yeah like I’ve seen so many non players who enjoyed the show without knowing a thing about the games

It does help that it’s not an adaptation of any specific game but is it’s own story

[idle lake]

They did the exact same thing for Starfield and much of their past games. And they'll probably keep doing it with every future BGS title whether it's good or not.

[red forge]

Do they know you can CHOOSE to play male or female in FO4?

Also I've not seen any "woke" silliness about it. Probably helps that I semi quit twitter.

[viscid ice]

so

bout dat endin

looks like fallout dust might be canon with the state the strip looks to be in lol

oh people are really going off on it being "woke"? i mean really?! have they not played fallout? the whole thing is literally a more on the nose commentary on captialism . i mean for cryin out loud its not exactly subtle. id hate to see what these people think something like bioshock is about lol.

[red forge]

I've seen more criticism of the issue over the canonity of FONV.

[tardy shoal]

For some content creators “woke” is the catch all. It’s more about being angry and divisive than actually having a valid critique.

[gloomy monolith]

Yeah, and when it comes out and they found out that it's good, they all of the sudden say that it's not "woke", even though they've been saying that it's "woke" before it came out. They just won't make up their minds.

[golden fulcrum]

I think the tv show was really good.
I'm a huge fallout fan and didn't disappoint me, I liked it actually and i wished there was more of it.
My girlfriend, who's not a gamer at all, loved it.
Not an easy task.

[gloomy monolith]

Hell, my mother loved it and she's not big into video games.

[tardy shoal]

even my 73 year old mom is on board

"it's gory but the writing is good"

Something it does great is how accessible to non-Fallout fans it is. You don't have to have played all the games to get the gist of the story

Which is so incredible because at the same time it does such a great service for longtime fans in terms of honoring the lore.

[lament flicker]

Trying to reconcile a plot point. ||What is the timeline of vault 32's collapse and the raiders gaining entrance? For instance, did everyone in 32 die two years ago? If so, when did the raiders come in and start pretending they were vault 32? It doesn't seem like anyone has been living in 32 recently. Were the raiders maybe communicating from a terminal outside of 32?||

[lofty prairie]

There isn't one.

[spiral light]

|| Vault 32 learned the truth about vault 31 during a crop failure that had pushed them to civil war and cannibalism. 2 years before we see the vault all the residents are dead. At some point in that 2 year period Moldaver enters the Vault looking for Mcclean using Rose Mclean's pip-boy after the fall of Shady Sands. After seeing the carnage of the vault dwellers imploding instead of venturing out she resumes communications with vault 33 from the now desolate vault 32 telling them she is the new overseer and the crops had suffered from blight down playing the extent of the damage. She hires some raiders and uses a trade as a ruse to extract their overseer without revealing too much and causing a second civil war in vault 33 where roses daughter lives||

[tardy shoal]

||Yeah two years ago is my understanding. Why exactly we don’t know (I suspect it has to do with pumping psychotropic gases into the vault when they rebelled, one of the experiment ideas floated in the round table at Vault Tec). I think it’s also worth noting that the lead scavenger, whose son the Ghoul kills, mentioned that his oldest son disappeared to be with the “mad women in the hills” (Maldover) two years ago as well!||

[left spoke]

so is the TV series retcon or not? i feel the show is pretty good but i don't memorized all the lore

[plain mica]

That's such a difficult thing to pull off and they did it very well. It's how I built out my show and it made me happy that Amazon adopted the same approach even though they don't know that I or my show exist.

[harsh pollen]

honestly I find myself not really liking a lot of their choices and characterizations

[lunar hawk]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cattitude-catitude-cat-watch-cat-watching-gif-23322844

Please remember to mark spoilers, and follow the #rules when posting

[tepid stirrup]

Watching episode 3 again and I just noticed the ||tendrils on the Gulper tongue|| are ACTUALLY HUMAN FINGERS and omg. It makes sense with what we learn in ||vault 4|| but ahhhhh.

[spiral light]

||Also Coop isn't so bad he probably knew it doesn't have teeth because he knows "they digest slow" so using Lucy as bait wasn't as dangerous it seemed||

[red forge]

Yeah there's ||an interesting revelation later on, that is almost completely missed. I'll leave it at that||

[tepid stirrup]

Oh yeah I know. This is my 4 rewatch. I have a problem.

[red forge]

Ahh right. In that case, ||when the Overseer of vault 4 said that the gulper in the recorded footage was his great uncle, it was almost a throw-away line, but it suggests gulpers were once human, which then made sense about the finger tendrils, which also urked me||

[spiral light]

||I'm wondering if humans birth hybrids that look more like an Axolotl and maybe the Axolotl hybrids have offspring that looks more like a human. Or if it was simpler like the ones from the other side of his family looked more like animals but his side of the family looked more like humans||

[sterile torrent]

||don't you remember the video she saw of the woman giving birth to the gulpers who then ate her? They were born from humans||

[red forge]

||... I didn't make that connection to begin with. That now makes sense||

[spiral light]

|| Making those little connections was something I really liked about the show. Instead of someone explaining everything they leave little clues in the background you can piece together, kind of like the game||

[red forge]

Indeed.

[spiral light]

|| One of my favorite moments was when the Vault Dweller tells the Raider to stop and then the raider takes a big hit of Jet, it's one of those if you know then you know moments, he was about to go super saiyan||

[red forge]

Yeah that attention to detail is great.

I noticed that myself.

[tepid stirrup]

Lucy going from naive and trusting everyone to trusting no one is so relatable. She put all her points in perception. lol

I have found an unforgivable error. When the ghoul is in Filly he eats ||CHERRY TOMATOES|| but when they are in the vault later on Norm says they planted ||TATOS||. ||I've never seen a tomato in game. Only tatos. Tatos retconned on surface.|| 0/10. Ruined. Now unwatchable.

[for legal reasons this is a joke]

[spiral light]

|| Betty was probably wondering where they got any kind of tato since they grow corn||

[tepid stirrup]

This was my 4th time watching before it clicked and I was like wait a second!

[spiral light]

Joking || I'm sure they probably also had tomatos and potatos but this is corn country, your up to something if your not tending that corn||

[tepid stirrup]

But how did they have ||CHERRY TOMATOES|| on the surface?! I thought all the tomatoes became tatos.

[void thunder]

I figured they would have just bred regular tatos until they got that small like we did maybe?

[spiral light]

|| Maybe just most but not all wasteland tends to be full of surprises an the dwellers wouldn't be familiar with the surface variant||

[void thunder]

Actually I just googled it and cherry tomatoes were bred over 12 years, so they could have done it with tatoes by then I think

[sterile torrent]

Please do not insult anyone

[tepid stirrup]

But the Ghoul calls them Cherry Tomatoes specifically. Maybe its because hes from the before times though.

[void thunder]

That's what I'd assume. I'd probably do this in his shoes and everyone would be like 'shut up grandma'

[tepid stirrup]

I am only concerned with Tatos lore. The vegatables are very important to me.

[void thunder]

Honestly I wish we got more 4 hour+ explainer video essays on stuff like Tato lore.

[tepid stirrup]

Where is my Fallout cozy farm simulator like stardew valley where I can grow tatos and raise brahmin

[void thunder]

lmao 'Sharecropper Sim 2281'

I'm going to actually pass away correcting this and begging people to remember that the Mojave already looked half-destroyed and bombed in the game I swear

[sterile torrent]

Please stop spreading conspiracy theories. This channel is to discuss the series. We ask that you stay to that topic

[tepid stirrup]

I lived in Arizona for 4 years and it was already very much like living in a hellscape nuclear wasteland. How could anyone tell the difference honestly. [I hate the desert and may be biased]

[void thunder]

It's only been 10 years (probably less because there's no way the Courier did all THAT in under a year if we're applying real time) following a pretty big war ||so I think it's pretty reasonable that the Mojave isn't exactly thriving from 500+ miles away and that's exactly why I'm so excited, because that says to me that we're gonna see the aftermath of the NCR campaign there and that is all I've ever wanted tbh.||

[spiral light]

I want to see what happened to Mr. House and some of the old new vegas locations after the courier.

[void thunder]

I have so many theories based on every possible outcome of New Vegas but it'd be a TED talk.

[tepid stirrup]

Okay a real actual question. Can any pip boy open any vault? Because by the time the show rolls around in 96 we have already had several vaults open and hundreds of vault dwellers released into the world. It actually seems like 33 may be one of the last sealed vaults.

The dwellers mostly don't seem to live very long on the surface. So it seems in theory that there are hundreds of pip boys out in the world but no one going around and opening the vaults..?

Like the people of Filly seemed to know there were vaults there and just ignored them? Didn't try to raid for supplies?

[void thunder]

So I think it depends on the Vault?|| I know in 3 you can't just jack in to the Vault 101 Vault door like the others and walk in and you need a code (which Amada sends you over the radio when they ask you to come back) but in 4 it kinda seems like a bit of a free for all?||

[spiral light]

|| The show seemed to hint most people think they were all dead or turned into monsters and nothing of real value worth breaking into such a potentially dangerous place for||

[tepid stirrup]

Yeah maybe at that point so far in the future. But earlier on? It's definitely nothing important but my ADHD brain was very curious. It doesn't seem like a pip boy should be all that hard to come by on the surface.

[void thunder]

Also based on there being 'gatekeepers' in the Vault, maybe if there's people in a vault to just hit a 'deny' button maybe it doesn't let people in? Maybe Vault-Tec set it up so that if there's no life in a vault, it can be opened by any old pip-boy to assist recovery efforts?

[tepid stirrup]

These are the important questions I need Bethesda to answer! Who cares about what ending a game got! How do the vaults work?! (yes i am autistic why do you ask 🤣)

[spiral light]

The vaults all had their own safety protocols for how they would be hidden and opened. For vault 32 or 33 apparently you just needed a pip boy

[void thunder]

which flavour you got? I got the New vegas flavour of autism.

[void thunder]

Yeah, that's what I seem to recall tbh.

[spiral light]

In 76 there is a vault where you use a key pad outside, one vault from lore never closed properly by design, and I recall one where you had to talk to the residents through the intercom to ask them to open it from the inside. So the average wastelander wouldn't know you can use it to get in and it be more practical to just trade a found pipboy for caps if they were lucky enough to find a working one || When Moldaver uses the pipboy to open the vault it's probably only possible because Rose showed her how and their was no one alive inside to stop her||

[true ocean]

https://tenor.com/view/reading-book-leah-assisted-living-reading-time-reading-with-coffee-gif-23420930

[tepid stirrup]

I got the Fallout 4 flavor. I join all the factions then panic for six months ignoring the choice and playing apocalypse sims at my settlement because I can't decide who to side with. 🤣

[void thunder]

This is respectable.

Fully expected the show to be very Fallout 4 centric but then ||they hit me with that final shot and I jumped outta my couch and screamed like it was the superbowl lmao||

[tepid stirrup]

Do we think Bud/McLean ||has been in contact with House and New Vegas this whole time? ||

[split trout]

That also mean, they are not DNA encoded. So these Pip-Boys are not like fingerprints and ||with this Ghoul now have Lucy's finger. i wonder what they have in the books now for season 2||

[tepid stirrup]

They said they buried ||Lucy's mother with hers which seemed like a huge waste of resources in the end of the world.||

[spiral light]

I remember something like that before like that type of pipboy is surgically attached

[tepid stirrup]

That sounds... unpleasant.

[void thunder]

I genuinely believe they'll go with a ||wildcard ending canon and we'll find that the courier has either moved on/died/vanished and now Yes Man is in charge tbh. I think he's heading for Big MT or something in Nevada that wasnt covered by the games||

[void thunder]

Some pipboy builds are attached with a needle kinda thing which is how they can tell your rad levels.

[spiral light]

|| I'm hoping they go to the think tank and some of the other new vegas locations ||

[void thunder]

Right? ||The Big MT dude was right there in that meeting, and we know from New Vegas that even if he was in that meeting, House did NOT eff with Vault-Tec||

[split trout]

Perhaps this TV Series Pip-boys here have ||some NFT Chip under their Skin. She could also extract this NFT Chip from the original owner and implanted it to herself to fake as being her||

[spiral light]

|| And Mr.House joked he hadn't made any money yet building the Sierra Madre||

[spiral light]

||She also still had Rose with her for more DNA||

[split trout]

But, ||as we saw at the Start, i think she was wearing an Pip-Boy. Yes of course, this could be someone's else she took from the Vault 32||

[void thunder]

imo ||if she was from Vault 31 (I believe she snuck her way into a pod pre war that wasnt meant for her) and was sent to vault 32 (which she would have been, otherwise she would have been known to Vault 33,) it's entirely possible she just told everyone in 32 the truth which led to them rebelling/all dying. Like they were skeletons, they'd been dead for years.||

[split trout]

||could be so, but Access to open the Surface Vault Gate must had been seeing in the Logs. But perhaps they disguised this as "trade with the Surface"||

[void thunder]

Also, ||if she's from Vault 31, we can assume she was able to edit or override logs like we know some of the others had at points.||

[tepid stirrup]

Did Hank not meet ||Moldaver when he went to go get his wife back? ||

[spiral light]

||But in the story Maldaver was already at shady sands when rose ventured out and found her||

[void thunder]

||That's what I'm saying, though. She probably left before rose got there and then just bumped into her there.||

[true ocean]

|| I got the impression Mel was a mayor or some other figure in town||

[split trout]

||Vault 31 is more some similar like Vault 111. They put everyone into Ice. But they also created some "Matrix world" for their Minds. That's why these from Vault 31 have nearly the same memories. Nice hidden Easter egg, right?||

[void thunder]

I think so. ||At least I hope so because it's kinda implied they mighta been roommates if you catch my drift and him bombing a city because a his wife is in lesbians is so funny to me. Like THAT was his breaking point.||

[tepid stirrup]

Hank was so ||unstable under the surface I feel like he probably bombed Shady Sands just to get back at his wife. I know this is an unpopular opinion but I have watched lots of true crime content and he seems the type.||

[slow folio]

I watched all episodes from prime video. And I like it. I'm looking forward to the new season.

[true ocean]

|| Part of the management training ||

[void thunder]

Same.|| Especially given the way she's kind of revelled like a god.||

[spiral light]

||But like she couldnt have stepped out of vault 31 2 years earlier to start a civil war if she was already outside at shady sands many years earlier to meet rose when alice is still to young to really remember them ||

[true ocean]

Have you seen the entire show?

[tepid stirrup]

||She has definitely aged 20ish or so years from the flashbacks so where ever she was preserved she has been out for a minute.||

[void thunder]

||Where are you getting 2 years from? She's been out way longer than that. She's visibly aged and everthing? It's entirely possible she was there way longer than that.||

[tepid stirrup]

I'm on my 4th rewatch.

[true ocean]

|| He said she stopped bing her mother. So At that point she was just a disrupter, hindrance to what VT was trying to do. Getting her and SG with one bomb was just 2 birds one stone for him||

[spiral light]

|| I was replying when they said she could have been in 31 and started the civil war in vault 32||

[void thunder]

||Like given how deep into trying to power Shady Sands as she was (and tbh that's a reasonable thing to want even when Shady Sands was A-Ok, that's a lot of people who need a reliable source of power in a time of resource scarcity) and how people kinda worship her, I would have assumed she'd been topside for at LEAST five or so years before Rose showed up.||

[true ocean]

Thoghts on Mel || She got the pip boy from Rose after SG was bombed, broke into the vault. Took over, froze herself for x amount of time. Came out to deal with hank ||

[tepid stirrup]

||I know that is what he SAID but that man was pissed his wife went off to be a wasteland lesbian instead of being with him. like he is seething about it. ||

[void thunder]

||(And to add to this, her wanting arc power for Shady Sands makes me think that this means the NCR didnt win Hoover Dam in this canon because thats what they wanted that Dam for. 👀 )||

[spiral light]

https://tenor.com/view/feel-me-think-about-it-meme-gif-7715402

[true ocean]

|| tricentennial is how many years for dweller exchange || iirc

[void thunder]

||This is why I think she stole someone else's pod pre-war. This way, Bud thought he was releasing someone else. (Although do they ever specifically SAY she doesn't work for Vault tec? She says Vault Tec kept buying her companies, so it's possible she did still work for them in the end and was just a mole?)||

[sterile torrent]

||I just figured, when she was talking to him after the meeting, she said vault tec was buying up all the businesses she was working for, so i thought maybe she worked for the one who was working on the freezing and knew someone who could get her one||

[marble yoke]

||Maybe Moldaver is just immortal like Cabots||

[tepid stirrup]

I think it is much more likely she ||made a shady deal with House or someone from one of the other companies. Vault tec clearly wasn't the only ones with cry pods.||

[spiral light]

||Bud uses a DNA scanner to identify people||

[void thunder]

[void thunder]

To be fair, ||Bud is also an idiot who sucks.||

[tepid stirrup]

I think she is good at making herself sound like a hero but we don't actually know much about her.

[spiral light]

||If she had cabot juice or ghoul healing the one shot wouldnt have killed her||

[void thunder]

||>Plans to live 200+ years

Gives himself the fine motor-skills of a Roomba||

[spiral light]

||He probably thought he'd be getting the Deluxe robobrain model but to be more effecient they gave him the power saver edition.||

[void thunder]

Yeah I wish they'd explained|| the Ghoul's go-go juice a little better|| because it's making it really hard to be autistic about everything.

[spiral light]

It seems like a toxin that gives people the ghoul trait and redosing removes the side effect of brain rot

[tepid stirrup]

Everyone else fighting about the lore while us autistics are just in the weeds with trying to figure out how things work.

[true ocean]

|| Maybe they will address the major/FAQ in season 2||

[void thunder]

||Where is it implied it GIVES people the trait, though? That's what I'm curious about. Like did I miss something? I know none of the game writers seem to agree on how Ghouls work but it doesn't make a lot of sense that he had to take the drug to be a ghoul when he was like, there during the blast, yknow?||

[void thunder]

I mean probably but I want it noooooow.

[spiral light]

|| The traveling doctor makes a similar concoction and gives it to the scribe to heal his foot then he jokes radiation wont be a problem for him anymore. In 76 you also learn that the enclave developed recipes for mutation syrums which all come with a side effect that's removed by redosing ||

[true ocean]

sy-fy magic

[tepid stirrup]

I think the ||drug the dude takes for his foot and the drugs the ghoul uses to keep from turning feral are different.||

[tardy shoal]

I think it's a ||self healing serum, not one that makes him a ghoul||

[tepid stirrup]

But If I had the choice to be human in the Fallout world or a cool nearly invincible ghoul I know what I am choosing tbh.

[tardy shoal]

||https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/Healing_factor_serum||

[tepid stirrup]

Noses be damned.

[void thunder]

Hmmm, I guess? ||I just think it'd be uncharacteristically dodgy writing to have my husband, the hot Cowboy Ghoul, use a drug to become a Ghoul when he ticks the boxes that every other Ghoul in the series tick to become Ghouls (with the exception of Hancock but he specifies his drug was one of a kind.) Like it just seems weird to go to that effort when he's already in the correct sitution to become one.||

[void thunder]

See, this would make sense to me!

Again though, no two games in Fallout can even agree on how Ghouls work so who knows?

[tardy shoal]

yeah I think the ||ghoul comments are a misdirect and Thaddeus is still human. Maybe a mutant. But not a ghoul.||

[void thunder]

||I want it to be FEV so bad.||

[noble temple]

for some reason this country has different date in the subtitles for the ||black board with shady sands||

[tardy shoal]

I wanna be a Synth personally

[spiral light]

Not everyone turns into a ghoul from radiation most people just die from it

[void thunder]

...............yeah? But if he's a ghoul and came from that time period it's just kinda weird to have that not be the case, yknow?

Dyno how is that spamming >:[

[tepid stirrup]

I think maybe he is like an OG ghoul.

[spiral light]

We don't know how old the syrum recipe is or if its even the same syrum the scribe uses

[tardy shoal]

is the ||Vault 4 experimentation considered FEV|| as well?

[tepid stirrup]

Like maybe some people turn from radiation. ||And some people get turned from some weird guy giving sketchy meds. The meds may have just been like concentrated radiation. Who knows.||

[void thunder]

Personally I do too. ||Like, notice how all the other ghouls are taking the drug to not go feral and act feral without it, but if he goes without it, he just starts coughing? Maybe he just has lung cancer or something.||

[noble temple]

||does anyone know why it says 2291 instead of 2277 never seen subtitles be so wrong on amazon?||

[tepid stirrup]

The Ghould is Deadpool confirmed.

[spiral light]

||Self healing doesn't protect you from radiation ||

[void thunder]

||Mr House finna show up like 'I'm here to talk to you about the Avengers Initiative.'||

[tepid stirrup]

Ghouls are a form of mutation so|| maybe the meds the dude gave caused an accelerated mutation from the radiation. Probably had no idea if it would kill or help him but I doubt it mattered to him either way.||

[tardy shoal]

somehow I missed that the ||"Dr" said radiation wont be a problem anymore||

and in fairness I dont think they ||showed any mutants at all in the show.|| Right or wrong?

[noble temple]

does someone know how subtitles are done like is that taken from the script and translated or?

[void thunder]

||Not mutants as in Super Mutants, no.||

[tepid stirrup]

||They show one on a gurney at one point!||

[spiral light]

|| The scribe said shady sands would be irradiated so the dr said it wont be a problem for you ||

[tardy shoal]

Yeah no ||super mutants for sure, except maybe for the green hand on the gourney, but just plain mutants, e.g. the serum slurpers in 76.||

[void thunder]

It was probably just a translation error. I work in localisation and scripts or advanced copies are generally pre-provided in advance to the localisation team, but I know a lot more places have moved on to automation with human correction and some bigger places have been experimenting with AI.

[spiral light]

||Could have been Nightkin||

[sterile torrent]

Got to save some fun new stuff for season 2 right! At least I hope there is a Season 2!

[tardy shoal]

lol I've watched it twice and missed that. I guess he ||not a mutant|| then

[tepid stirrup]

||They talked about wanting to make super soldiers in the meeting with all the evil CEOs which I am guessing become the mutants.||

[spiral light]

They start filming in september

[noble temple]

yea valid || I was confused why it said 2291 instead of 2277||

[tardy shoal]

https://tenor.com/view/comedy-austinpowers-drevil-quotes-gif-13545449192169700523

[spiral light]

As far the brotherhoods concerned hes definatly a mutant 😂

[wheat flax]

Did anyone else notice ||the Caesar's Legion easter egg at the end of ep.3? There were actors walking around the movie studio dressed in Legion outfits||

[void thunder]

To be fair there is also a lot of issue around the ||2277 date on the board as well, so it's possible that may have been an error on the show's part and the subtitles are a correction after the fact (which does sometimes happen!)||

[tardy shoal]

do we have any basis for the brotherhood hating ordinary mutants though? Yes super mutants OBVIOUSLY, but maybe the line isnt drawn so close for them.

[void thunder]

You BET I noticed.

[noble temple]

yea that's why I was asking

[wheat flax]

I'm glad I wasn't the only one I haven't seen it mentioned in any of the easter egg videos on YT yet

[tepid stirrup]

Okay... no insulting the Brotherhood it seems. Very suspicious.

[tardy shoal]

oh man that meeting!! Seeing a living ||House was such a mind blow.||
I am wondering if the result of ||Vault 32 is a product of that meeting at Vault Tec, they mentioned pumping gas into the vaults and observing the outcome.||

[void thunder]

That's a really interesting discrepancy to spot, though! I'm sure the people murdering eachother over it on reddit would be interested to learn about it if it hasn't been pointed out there.

[void thunder]

You'd best believe that if there's a Legion reference, I'm spotting it from 500 miles away.

[noble temple]

I'd rather not engage in that warzone lmao

[spiral light]

|| They want to protect "humanity" and basically anything that isn't 100% human, like ghoulified or slightly mutated is a threat to the real humans they are fighting for. It's part of fallout 3||

[tardy shoal]

ya'll think anyone escaped ||32? Why did they die *trying to open the intravault door to 31, etc? Was their Overseer dead by murder or suicide?||

itnravault? intervault? idk

[shut matrix]

is season 2 confirm yet?

[tardy shoal]

you're not wrong, but they showed and said a couple times it ||isn't the same Brotherhood as before. I could see a shift in ideologies to further their goals.||

[tardy shoal]

not yet, but there are some indicators it's already in the pipeline

[tepid stirrup]

All of the overseers appear ||to be planted by Vault-tec Bud so I am guessing they murdered the overseer in 32 when they found out the truth and Bud probably had them poisoned with something so they would kill each other since that vault had failed.||

[void thunder]

I'm re-watching now and|| I noticed that the video someone was watching in one of the Vault 32 rooms was about the Rodent Experiments of John B. Calhoun (the Behavioral Sink experiment) and that makes me think that maybe some did get out (maybe they left with Mel?) and the remainders ended up revolting after a while because 32 was overpopulated and running low on resources?||

[tepid stirrup]

||It says that they know the truth on the wall in blood.||

[void thunder]

Yeah that sort of leads to my theory imo. ||Maybe only some were able to escape, like they snuck out and then the overseer hard locked the place down?||

[tardy shoal]

that would kind of explain the ||3 dwellers dead by hanging in the vestibule to the Oveerseer's Office. They murdered the Overseer who I bet had just messaged Bud about the uprising. Bud responded by gassing them all, and the three dwellers responded by committing rudimentary suicide in a final act of defiance.||

Stoic.

[void thunder]

||Or maybe Mel said she'd come back for the others and then couldn't or something?||

[tepid stirrup]

||I don't think Mel has anything to do with the vaults until she shows up to get Hank.||

[tardy shoal]

I think she does, ||they mention they died 2 years ago, but then the lead farmer says to the Ghoul that his son left to join Maldover ALSO two years ago||

I could totally see her ||rounding up everyone she could to try and free the vaults or something ||

[wheat flax]

I was thinking that ||they started killing everyone from 31 and the suicides were people from 31 afraid of being tortured. There appears to have been something going wrong in 32 & 33 every 4 years right before the elections. Which led them to "Vote 31". If the people of 32 found out the truth of 31 and that the crops were destroyed on purpose they would rebel against the overseer and kill anyone else from 31. ||

[void thunder]

||Maybe, like the Behavioral Sink experiment, they were being starved on purpose and the idea was that they wanted to see how long it would be before they resorted to eating eachother? But they learned the truth (maybe they weren't referring to Vault-Tec's shenanigans in general but that their vault was meant to be the Behavioral Sink experiment 2, electric boogaloo, hence the video about it playing) and decided on suicide instead? And maybe that's when a gassing or something went down? To prevent escape?

I just think that's a VERY SPECIFIC real life experiment to mention.||

[tepid stirrup]

She was in ||Shady Sands for years before. She was in cryosleep somewhere but I don't think it was the vaults. Otherwise she would have had her own pip boy and not needed Rose's. The vault population was HEAVILY monitored by bud.||

[tardy shoal]

Yoo okay so the ||meeting at Vault Tec with all the executives... Who was the shadowed figure behind the window that Barb looked at after Barb gets the message on her Pip Boy?||

[void thunder]

Like for context:

*""Behavioral sink" is a term invented by ethologist John B. Calhoun to describe a collapse in behavior that can result from overpopulation. The term and concept derive from a series of over-population experiments Calhoun conducted on Norway rats between 1958 and 1962.[1] In the experiments, Calhoun and his researchers created a series of "rat utopias" – enclosed spaces where rats were given unlimited access to food and water, enabling unfettered population growth. Calhoun coined the term "behavioral sink" in a February 1, 1962, Scientific American article titled "Population Density and Social Pathology" on the rat experiment.[2] He would later perform similar experiments on mice, from 1968 to 1972.

Calhoun's work became used as an animal model of societal collapse, and his study has become a touchstone of urban sociology and psychology in general.[3]"*

||Vault 32 and 33 kinda... kinda sound like rat utopias here...||

""Universe 25", population peaked at 2,200 mice even though the habitat was built to tolerate a total population of 4000. Having reached a level of high population density, the mice began exhibiting a variety of abnormal, often destructive, behaviors including refusal to engage in courtship, and females abandoning their young. By the 600th day, the population was on its way to extinction. Though physically able to reproduce, the mice had lost the social skills required to mate."

||I'm just saying that they had to have an inter-vault arranged marriage system for this exact reason.||

[wheat flax]

The mantra of ||"When things look glum, vote 31" and something going wrong (blight, weevil infestation, water chip failing) before every election is definitely a key to experiments of 32 & 33||

[true ocean]

https://tenor.com/view/favorite-gif-20845610

[void thunder]

Oh, 100%, ||but I think this is also partially Vault-Tec training the citizens of 32 and 33 to revert to 31 leadership so that the plants from 31 can keep the experiment on track, add new variables (like a broken water chip, moving people to new vaults, bringing in 'breeders' etc) and make sure it's a controlled environment.||

[wheat flax]

Exactly, so that when they ||do emerge from the vaults everyone from 32 & 33 will vote to continue having Vault-tec be in charge of everything||

[void thunder]

I have a feeling in my waters ||that they don't ever intend to let them out until they die out. Kinda like 101.||

[wheat flax]

Possibly but they said ||their plan was to wait until everyone was dead on the surface and by that point everyone in 32 & 33 would be their descendants and continue to vote for everyone in 31 for their leadership||

[void thunder]

Vault-Tec say a lot of things, though.

Which is why it's so hard to tell what's going on. I ain't calling 'em liars, but they definitely ain't truthers.

[wheat flax]

O for sure but I tend to believe it when they say it behind closed doors, especially with what else they said in the same scene

[marble yoke]

||why does Lucy mention 320 years of American history before the bombs? United states were 301 years old by 2077||

[void thunder]

ok FURTHER TO THIS, I'm re watching the last episode ||and during the Meeting house's chief objection is "you leave enough rats in a cage long enough, they start eating each other." And he says this directly to BUD.||

[void thunder]

the extra 20 are DLC content for America Platinum members.

[wheat flax]

Probably referring to ||the 20 years leading up to the American Revolution||

[true ocean]

Im surprised none of you have tried to a viewing party on your own Discords

[marble yoke]

||in "The Past" episode Norm is looking up some info in the terminal where it says that Hank MacLean is 2271-2297.
I thought it was 2296 in the show ||

[true ocean]

|| open early ?||

[wheat flax]

I did, my friends and I watched the first episode together

[random finch]

someone on Reddit was saying || Brotherhood has Legion-esque names and vibes this time around, red and gold flags, quasi-religious overtones, Maximus and Titus etc etc. Just waiting for one of the Elders to call someone a Profligate ||

[marble yoke]

||in the end credits of "The Past" episode there is a book called "The New California Republic" from Kate Williams with 2189 written on it.
Does this mean that Shady Sands was nuked post 2189?||

[true ocean]

|| Nuke date was listed in the vaults class room, dont remember what is it||

[tardy shoal]

the nuke date was not listed AFAK, the chalkboard ||shows a date for The Fall and then an arrow to a mushroom cloud||

||*The Fall of Shady Sands||

||https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1104076026411241533/1229497184311836732/SPOILER_Screenshot_2024_04_10_at_18.png||

[true ocean]

|| I say the bomb is what caused the fall, which is 2277 ||

[wooden briar]

I would like to see fallout four version that has the minutemen and the railroad and the institute

[crimson linden]

The institute should be mentioned more outside of fallout 4, they appear for a small ammount in fallout 3 for a quest where you have to relocate a synth and that’s kinda it

[zealous surge]

I think minutemen is only in the commonwealth

[bronze jay]

In season 2 we need a mysterious stranger scene 😭

It’d seem rly random to someone who hasn’t played fallout but who cares I miss that guy

[digital copper]

Which unfortunately directly contradicts New Vegas, which is set 4 years after that and has multiple NCR characters refer to Shady Sands in the present tense as the current, active and thriving seat of the nation's government; repeated references to "the politicians back in Shady Sands" being the shot-callers for military deployments and such

[zealous surge]

Anyone know who acted lord sigma Titus

[digital copper]

Michael Rapaport

[zealous surge]

I thought its Ryan gosling

[digital copper]

read the credits lol

[true ocean]

Prime has "x-ray" pause it and it will show you everyone in the scene

[covert flax]

Incredible that X ray

[zealous surge]

I'm kidding ik its not Ryan gosling it's a joke

[digital copper]

ok

[zealous surge]

Chat if vault TEC is doing experiments then what experiment did they did on vault 111

[obtuse siren]

I haven't a clue what you were meaning there. To attempt to answer your question ||Vault Tec basically gave the vaults to whatever company or organization was going to use them. Chad's vault was because he wanted to make the perfect manager. 111 was likely not to see the effects of cryogenics on people but to see how long people could last before expiring. They made it clear that the vaults real purpose was they had no actual purpose. They are just toys for the various orgs that were controlling their particular vaults with the endgoal bet of seeing whose experiments could last the longest with the best results.||

[runic jolt]

Who was the || g-man Cooper's psycho wife looked up to in the meeting?||

[spiral light]

|| Her Boss ? The unknown current president of the company||

[meager roost]

|| Not sure who you're referring to specifically. ||

[runic jolt]

|| The person pulling the strings of the meeting. I've rewatched the scene. The CEOs are arguing. Cooper's wife gets a signal on her Pip Boy. She looks up to the person above, then makes the pitch to drop the bomb first and let the best idea win.
That is immediately who i think the Ghoul must've meant when he said that he's going to find and talk to someone at the wheel in the finale.
Did Hank know that person? People immediately think House when they see NV, but it's not House that the show portrays being the mastermind. ||

[quiet hull]

I binge watched the show on Saturday with my cousin so here is something silly that happened: ||she only plays Fallout 4 and is silly so at the end when New Vegas appeared I was like "🙀 OMG IT'S-" and she screams "DIAMOND CITY" 😭😭😭😭😭😭 then we just stared at eachother for a moment and I convinced her to play Fallout 3 and New Vegas and then we'll watch season one again when season two is out so she can get excited about all the references with me||

[opal skiff]

I thought it's be kinda lame but GREAT show so far. I never expect much from shows/movies spinning from games. I couldn't stop watching it.

[brazen sluice]

The Ghoul is easily one of my favorite Fallout characters now

[tepid stirrup]

Watching the end of episode 8 again. ||The way Moldaver says "That's how Vault-Tec deals with competition." Really comes off as more of a "That is how your father deals with competition over his wife" because she makes a point to say that he only bombed when his wife wouldn't leave. Like he couldn't deal with her leaving and if he couldn't have her then no one could.|| 😬

[brazen sluice]

From any game or the show

My wishlist for Season 2:
||1. Deathclaws||
||2. Use of Mini Nukes||
||3. Super Mutants||
||4. Laser Rifles||
||5. Mysterious Stranger easter egg||

[marble yoke]

||What if Barb Howard ended up in Vault 13?||

[tepid stirrup]

oh my god. I just realized when Lucy is talking about ||the "famine of 77" and she says how they couldn't work together and had to be quarantined. So this must have been manufactured to cover up Lucy's mom and the kids absences when she ran away with them. She doesn't say how long it lasted but her memory is clearly fuzzy for that time. She remembers her father losing weight during that time which could be attributed to him being in the wasteland looking for her mother.||

She said they ||lost a lot of people. How many people did Hank kill to cover this up?||

[marble yoke]

||Does that mean that shady sands was indeed bombed in 2277||

[zealous surge]

We need ||walter white|| in the show

[true badge]

I think one thing I have a little trouble reconciling is ||moldaver using the raiders to get into Vault 33, while I get she wants to complete her goal, her goal is for the good, while people will turn a blind eye to certain things in the name of good, the sheer violence against 33 from teh raiders is beyond what I think someone with that mindset would consider acceptable. Yes, the whole Spock argument comes in to play, the one vs the many, but this was quite a few vs the many. I dunno, it’s just barely plausible, but I think it’s a stretch. Otherwise I think the show handled stuff like this very well. Just my thoughts…||

[tepid stirrup]

I don't think so. We have no idea how long it took Hank to find the kids or return to the vault or how long the "famine" lasted. Could have been years.

[tepid stirrup]

I think if I was on the outside ||starving and dying of radiation I would probably feel a little violent toward a bunch of rich people just living it up in safety for a few hundred years. That's just me though.||

[brazen sluice]

Oh I almost forgot about ||LIBERTY PRIME||!

[true badge]

||thats the raiders though, moldaver isnt a raider, her purpose was to get the father for the code to cold fusion, to help people. You dont tend to take out people who are not cognisant of their background that way. ||

Anyway, season 4 = Centaurs yes? 😄

[marble yoke]

||Also what do you think about Lucy saying that she felt the sun? Maybe she did feel the sun because her Mom took her outside||

[true badge]

No joke though, I would love to see these people do a full on FO3, TV show or Film.

They would absolutely nail little lamplight 😄

I’d love to see who they’d cast as bittercup 😄

[rustic shadow]

Cool tidbit I noticed about the opening scene for episode 1, if you look at the weather broadcast in the beginning, you can see that the US is divided into the 13(?) commonwealths instead of states

[proven crypt]

How do you censor texts can I wanna try a wishlist for S2

[tepid stirrup]

||Oh I thought that was for sure what the show was saying. It also shows her knowing Moldaver in her flashback in Shady Sands. Moldaver and the mom looked so happy|| 😭😭

[tepid stirrup]

Either highlight and scroll over on the menu to where it says spoiler or put || before and after your text

[proven crypt]

My wishlist for Season 2:
||1. Deathclaws||
||2. Surviving NCR members Especially NCR Rangers in action||
||3. Super Mutants||
||4. BoS Outcasts||
||5. Cameo or Mention of Characters from Fallout 3,4,NV||

[tough snow]

you have seen all 8 eps right?

[marble yoke]

What makes you think I didn’t?

[trim echo]

Petition for fallout to be the first Tv show in history to get a “hotfix” where they go in and edit/add a date to the nuke explosion event on the shady sands timeline white board 🤣🤣🤣

Would be very on brand

[hollow spindle]

I thought of this as well. It got harder for me when I learned more about her ||and doubly shocked thay she was old world/ncr. Using raiders to go crazy on an unsuspecting vault didn't seem to fit.||

[tough snow]

making sure wasnt spoing anything but yes, they hint at and confirm your previous statement

[tough snow]

maybe fix the power armour to not be weaker than rotting ghouls and sweetrolls

[tough snow]

she could be greater good, a on the line acceptable losses kind of person as soon as she has what she wanted she she didnt cross any lines , but the show having different writers and directors was not smart several things didnt link up through the show , i think they had more focus on forced diversity than linking the plots and storylines up but even with all the back and fourth , plots not linking up, possible contradictions with established lore the show was really good , all characters were believeable 'except for maximus' and one or two 180s with the ghoul halfway through the season im actually looking forward to season 2,

they just need to have the writers and director from first 3 episodes stay and do the complete season

now that the show is well recieved i hope they put more effort and money on the action/battle scenes .. microsoft and amazon are hardly local family run stores with small budgets

[trim echo]

I chalk that up to lack of experience vs heavily experienced

[meager roost]

|| I buy the centuries old former marine ghoul taking out power armor with superior experience.
I do wonder why he didn't immediately murder Maximus in episode 2 though. ||

[runic jolt]

I'd put it on "Hollywood things". ||"Show her as villian in the start so they never guess that she's actually a savior". One of the low points of the show. First episodes contain plenty of flaws overall, but last 2 are bangers. Not gonna comment on the whole NV thing||

[trim echo]

|| Yeah exactly, he is heavily heavily experienced, where as the show goes out of its way to show maximus has no idea what the armor is capable of let alone how to use it.

As for why he didn’t just aim for the “missing weld” and pop him quick, either plot armor or the ghoul just didn’t view him as that much of a threat to warrant a kill shot. I dont know there ||

|| Actually I do know why! His main weapon of choice, the exploding pistol thing stopped working either via a jam or ammo problem, forcing him to use his back up lever action. And that pistol thing is the same weapon he used to abuse the “missing weld” thing later on in the last episode, so maybe he can only abuse this armor with that weapon? ||

[tough snow]

typical plot armour shenanigans , the episode 2 scene you references is quite believable but thats why i believe maximus misses the mark.. ||'i cant remember if its 100% accurate but i think thee t60 suit loses every battle apart from brotherhood army taking the outpost and observatory||

[tough snow]

||thaddeus beats maximus you think cooper would too haha||

[trim echo]

He beats him with a key to unlock the fusion core, which maximus was unaware of, maximus also clearly wasn’t going full throttle, appearing almost remorseful that he accidentally stomped his foot to a pulp. The show presents all the info you need, just observe it.

[tough snow]

||you're forgetting cooper knew all about those suits so unless they didnt have fusion cores when cooper used them 'not sure how they would have been used without them' the whole schtick where cooper is the main part of the brotherhood vs ncr/raider remnants whoever they are took down multiple suits one with a grenade.. also maximus stood up and was going to hurt /capture/kill thaddeus to keep his cover stepping on his foot wouldnt bother him .. the show presents all the info you need just observe it||

[foggy fulcrum]

||Maximus wasn’t trying to kill him from what I recall so I take it that Cooper was having fun with him.||

[foggy fulcrum]

||What I also recall is he mentioned he wondered if they fixed the fatal flaw that was present in the T-45 for armor after it, implying he hasn’t fought anyone wearing a Suit of Power Armor until Maximus but only later recalled the flaw and decided to test that theory then.||

[tough snow]

||just rewatched that scene and maximus says the ghoul will be 'dealt' with then cant aim to save his life so just throwing him around and coopers just popping rounds against the armour not doing anything but when he gets the chance cuts the pipe on the neck 'knows its a weak point' and somehow manages to stun maximus with a kick before idly shooting at the armour .. so you can tell it was just supposed to be linking stories and a cute battle to introduce them they could have easily killed each other but plot armour||

[foggy fulcrum]

||Yup, that how it’d be, you have two main characters but you can’t have them kill each other.||

[tough snow]

||ghouls still be over powered considering i remember them being rotting humans not super soldiers and the power armour being super weak in the game, only time it makes sense losing was to the bear and coopers explosive rounds on the weak spot.. but how does a ghoul stun a ' 12 ton cast iron skillet' as he refers to it 😂 with a boot||

[foggy fulcrum]

||Honestly the bear scene I took as Knight Titus being a pushover, he may have armor but even then he lacked actual experience. As for Ghouls being Super Soldiers, yeah that is strange, definitely not something I’ve ever seen from them, although at the same time the Feral’s were killed no problem in the Mart so it makes me wonder if you have to shoot them in a Vital Area to kill them vs just shooting them in whatever random point in the body.||

||It’s odd from the standpoint alone of Ghouls in the games could be shot anywhere and die||

[tough snow]

||was ok with the bear scene cause it has the str to throw the suit but didnt rip it in half or anything and yeah titus was not up for big game hunting, you hear him say f word before he enters cave , and if anyones a super soldier a 250+ year old marine vet with healing and centuries of knowledge makes sense.. he was against a recruit/boy scout in the armour' just the way they handled the fight making it look like they wanted to kill each other and failing, also the super mart scene the junkies missing/grazing shots kind of makes sense too if they had weak weapons but yeah ghouls just seem like higher threats than power armour on the show atm 😂 now hanks got a suit or if they introduce a badas* in season 2 the suits might be redeemed. ||

the t60 suit was my favourite character tho, not titus or maximus just the suit itself, ||intimidating vibes, comedic vibes, ||awesome scenes with the suit

[foggy fulcrum]

||Tbf I think Ghouls, Feral one can be seen as the equivalent of Zombies, so I don’t doubt it would take the numbers advantage for Ghouls to take down a Power Armor User||

[trim echo]

He didn’t have the key tho. Can’t unlock the core without the key

He clearly didn’t mean to crush his foot and didn’t intend on killing him. That is until he gets locked in the armor “I should have killed you” implies he wasn’t going to.

[foggy fulcrum]

||I know 76 artwork also showed a bunch of Ghouls all over a PA User struggling to escape from the various Ghoul Hands all over him.||

[trim echo]

Observe it 😉

[tough snow]

||but if lever action bullets do nothing to it how can rotting flesh, ive always seen it as ghouls would break their limbs and teeth attacking a suit nullifying themselves ||

[foggy fulcrum]

||Good point, still if Ghouls are dogpiling on a PA User I can see possible ways they could get to the person inside. Although how would still be a great question.||

[civic trench]

one eye two eyebrows??? hmmm (raises eyebrow)

[spice ingot]

A lot of the articles for the show keep highlighting the Enclave. I am so happy they are getting some recognition. We are back in business baby! Time to purge in the name of democracy! o7

[tough snow]

||'i should have known better than to trust you' 'im sorry' then proceeds to swing at thaddeus,, he was going to kill him, didnt say sorry after stepping on him and told him to stay still so he could grab/hit him.. rewatch sceen bud.. observe it 😉 ||

[tough snow]

you watched any of the season bud?

[spice ingot]

yeah

[tough snow]

how many eps?

[spice ingot]

5 so far

[tough snow]

||episode 2 i enjoyed them showing enclave .. hidden scientists and few soldiers in a base, hidden security measures.. i hope they have a much bigger prescence season 2 now we know they still kicking ||

it mentions episode 2^

[lofty prairie]

the power armor isnt weak.

[spice ingot]

yeah. Hopefully , they play more of a behind the shadow kinda faction instead of gun ho

[tough snow]

||if im not mistaken it loses every fight in the season ||

[spice ingot]

well maybe thats because its BoS power armor xD

[lofty prairie]

|| Did we not see a bunch of BOS knights dog on some NCR citizens with assault rifles. ||

[spice ingot]

outdated and recicled power armor for the last 200 years

then we will see the enclave rolling in state of the art new power armor and the BoS all drooling over the tech.

just like in FO3.

The scribes always stated the power armors the bos used were outdated and clumsy. Prone to break.

[tough snow]

||thats an entire army wiping out a small garrison and still sustains many casulties , and even a vet seems unlikely to just walk in and destroy a portion of the vanguard including 2-3 suits and 2-3 guards without a scratch.. but that could just be main character kicks that one ||

[trim echo]

Bro, he was clearly not going to straight up murder that dude, if anything he was going to detain him or knock him out. None of that implies it’s murder time… however what I said does. You can’t tell me to observe when you’re original response to me was not very observant 😉

[tough snow]

||@spice ingot i think its new vegas where the brotherhood were wiping out 10 ncr for every 1 brother soldier in new vegas they lost due to numbers, but outside of the lore battles we dont see it doing much||

[lofty prairie]

|| This is also the East BOS who in fo3 were constantly told to us they can be fairly incompetent in battle ||

[spice ingot]

true but game wise, i ignore gameplay. I rather stick to the lore and dialogue over how a game works. Otherwise i would go crazy over the inconsistencies haha

[tough snow]

||the 'im sorry' literally implies hes going to kill him, you were right about coop not having a key but thats about it||

[spice ingot]

Yep, ghouls said the BoS always missed their shots. Then again, it could have been intentional.

[trim echo]

Hard disagree

[spice ingot]

They better make plasma and gauss weaponry OP in the show. Like overkill OP

[lofty prairie]

|| Also the Power Armor isnt shown at all in this show as some weak hunk of metal. We saw Maximus tank .45-70's off the Ghoul's Lever action AND the PA knights are used for cover while the squires stay behind ||

[spice ingot]

To see some black devils with Plasma casters and gauss miniguns 😍

[tough snow]

been too long since i played 3, they did splinter with outcasts , but if i remember a squad takes down mutant strong to the radio station and they do raid enclave at purifier although not sure if thats just because players and primes evolvement

[lofty prairie]

if its so weak then why even bother standing behind these knights

[lofty prairie]

And thats based off gameplay not actual written lore. You're comparing bethesda's AI combat situation to the show

[spice ingot]

Danse in FO4 stated the BoS took heavy casualties in those battles. They were forced tor recruit locally after.

[tough snow]

||thats why i wish they had some more scenes with the power suits 1-2 suits just wiping through hordes or tough enemies haha ||

[tough snow]

fair enough

[lofty prairie]

which btw contridicts your point the BOS PA's are weak because then we'd be having a discussion that bethesda ai isnt even impressive in terms of a gameplay standpoint

[spice ingot]

i am just glad Power armor doesnt break like in FO4 hahahaha

[lofty prairie]

in addition, Power Armor in fallout 3 isnt the same Damage resistance as New Vegas

Heres what i did see

|| Maximus was able to tank .45-70 rounds off from the Ghoul's lever action. the PA is able to bounce off normal fire arms and thats often enough for probably 75% of the danger in the wasteland ||

[lofty prairie]

|| And in addition, Knight Titus wasnt even a real warrior to stand up against the Yao Guai which is a running theme with the East BOS knights that they are incompetent ||

[lofty prairie]

|| Its not the T-60 thats the issue, its the fact the soldiers within these suits arnt clearly combat ready ||

[tough snow]

||trying to remember if the suits in any fights outside of the ghoul and yao gui bear or if its just the fight at the end ||

[tough snow]

when mentioning it i meant its written they did decent at the battle otherwise would lyons have said his forces were getting smashed? but i cant quote f3 its been way to long to remember , back in those days i was trying to join the enclave so didnt pay much attention to brotherhood, did remember hearing a soldier reference enclave had better armour and weapons

[lofty prairie]

u cant join the enclave.

[tough snow]

||that i can agree with, i dont think anyone bigs titus up then the elder mentions its lost its way hearing titus ran and coop calls maximus a untrained buffon in different words ||

[tough snow]

i know, didnt stop me trying haha

[tiny saddle]

You’re a true American hero!

[tough snow]

im british so seems legit 😉

just like washington i believe

[tiny saddle]

Hey, American is more than the soil you were born on! I’ll make sure you’re accepted into our little….enclave.

[tough snow]

thats the old me , spiritual and greater good now haha

[rain vault]

||is the NCR really gone? Considering Griffith observatory was their headquarters||

[lofty prairie]

|| I dont believe they are gone. Sorrel is apperently called a "President" but its not stated what president he is of ||

[tiny saddle]

Haha, well if you ever change your mind. You know where to find us.

[tough snow]

||i doubt they wrote them out offscreen , if that crew ep 8 wernt ncr i deffo believe they have pockets scattered through the other regions ||

[tiny saddle]

||Do you guys suspect anyone of being a synth?||

[lofty prairie]

Dane

idk im just messing around

[tough snow]

||coopers ghoul if i had to pick someone from the season, or hank the father 😂 ||

[tiny saddle]

Dane is definitely suspicious. What a cool character though. I kind of wish we got more of them.

[tough snow]

also thanks would do 😛

who is dane again

[lofty prairie]

Personally i want more Power Armor for season 2. It better be like T-51

I think it be a cool scene where a idk T-51 BOS user shows up and The Ghoul tries to do the same trick but realizes that specific model actually fixed the flaw

[tiny saddle]

||I first started to wonder about Maximus just because we only get his one memory over and over. But, Lucy’s Father is a good pick actually. I do think we will get at least one synth though||.

[tiny saddle]

Dane was Maximus’ Buddy in training camp. ||The one that injured their own foot on purpose. ||

[tough snow]

||maximus would be a good one he doesnt seem to know how to function , hank also left the vault for a period so possible ||

[tiny saddle]

I have a feeling we may see some ||Enclave power armor next season||.

[lofty prairie]

|| the issue with Hank being a possible Synth is because he's probably only been to the surface once that the show tells us and he had to be like 30 and he obviously ages to like 50-60 when the show takes place ||

[tough snow]

||enclaves tesla armour or the medic prototype armour that speaks would be funny||

[tiny saddle]

Yeah. I liked Maximus, but the character is so weird. I mean, I think that is on purpose. I definitely think there is more to him, haha.

[lofty prairie]

|| I think a remake of the Fallout 2 Enclave opening the vault intro would be so cool except its the Enclave cleaning up a mess of compromised vaults such as Vault 33 ||

[tiny saddle]

||Yeah. That’s a good point actually. Who knows what the Institute or Vault-Tec is capable of though!||

You’re probably right though.

[tough snow]

||i think actor will do better season 2 if not replaced , more experience, feedback, confident with the character , just missed the mark for me season 1 .. only likes 1-2 of his scenes i think||

[tiny saddle]

I like the way you think! That would be awesome!

[tough snow]

oh yeah thanks, i forget their name, remember them tho

[tiny saddle]

Yeah. So many characters, it’s easy to forget who is who!

Something also, a lot of the Brotherhood characters have Roman names. Not all, but most. Titus, Maximus, Thaddeus. ||I sometimes wonder if they were picked up as children when the Legion fell. ||

[lofty prairie]

|| I believe season 2, Vegas has to be in ruins. I know people may be against it but it fits all the boxes of the cut stuff after playing any ending. If you rule Vegas, you cause Anarchy to rule the streets. If the Legion takes over, they practically will crucify people and burn stuff. If the NCR wins, obviously people will rebel against it, the Kings and freeside residents have already had a vendetta against NCR citizens ||

|| If House rules. Obviously things will stay the same but eventually the NCR will return and overcome vegas in numbers ||

[tiny saddle]

||Yeah. I think we are essentially going to get New Vegas Pt. II. With the factions fighting for the remains of NV. ||

[lofty prairie]

I still do believe that || the yes man ending is the Canon ending because it matches with the themes of courages and spectacular feats the protagonist achieves such as Lone Wanderer and the water purifier Chosen one vs the enclave and the Vault Dweller who literally joined the BOS and stopped the Master from a Super Mutant Army invasion upon the wasteland. ||

[spiral light]

|| I think it was part of his character ark starting off more awkward and getting bullied and by the end he's fighting without power armor ||

[lofty prairie]

My personal list for Season 2 is

• || Characters such as Marcus return from jacobstown ||

• ||Goodsprings, Primm, and other iconic locations return||

• ||references of the Hoover Dam||

• ||New Vegas itself||

• ||NCR rangers. Maybe when the NCR fell, the Rangers would respect their old legacy and return to being DESERT Rangers as the ones before them and the ones who were||

• ||Deathclaws, Radscorpions, Cazadores, Geckos, Stalkers, Centaurs, Super Mutants, Nightkin||

• ||Iconic weapons such as the Fatman and Flamer||

[spiral light]

https://tenor.com/view/fallout-yes-man-gif-10726116415018508643

[glossy drum]

||What is the town that Hank sees at the end, I’m not super into Fallout but loved the show||

[foggy fulcrum]

||The City of New Vegas||

[lofty prairie]

I'm still watching the TV series, it's so good !

[subtle karma]

||The Lucky 38 appears to be intact so if it's abandoned I imagine it has to be somewhat preserved still||

[void thunder]

||The Strip looks the same as it does in the game, the only difference is that we see it during the day in the show so the lights arent super visible.||

[fading citrus]

Tunnelers destroyed Vegas sorry but it’s the truth

[stiff robin]

||I feel it has to be Moldaver, Vault Tec was definitely not letting her in on vault 31||

[plucky juniper]

I feel like the show is really on par with the first fallouts

Rather than the modern ones especially the 3

[split trout]

[suggestion] When The Season 2 Storywriter want to explain the usage of the Pip-Boy Quicktime Aimhelp (sorry, i never used it for myself in the games. But i know it's exist). They could try to explain it with some Drug injection of "Slow time down and Agility up" under the Pip-Boy Arm connection. But how to bring it into the users Eye? This is could be done with an Eye Display (FO4 Google Glass kinda). Similar like the Power Armor Aim help. So, first Lucy need some AR Eye Display Upgrade (Single One-eyed). It's nearly similar like the Cyberhand of CP2077 for S.M.A.R.T. Weapons. But i bet they already had this idea. Perhaps ||the War Ghoul Veteran knows about it and where to get them||

Tech-explain bubble jada jada:
Some Micro Gyroscopes (NASA Stuff & Space Satellites) are inside the Pip-Boy to know it's position to track the Users aiming and with it's own CPU Power it projects it all on this Eye Display. Also to explain the rareness of using it in the TV Series (also Budget) they could give this Usage an downside.
To much use of this and the user become Drug Addicted (or to avoid this name because of Airing Laws. Her Nerve lines could burn out and create intense numb pain).

For the Lore of it:
It's an (unstable) Prototype for Human Spec Ops for no Power Armor usage Missions. So They have also an excuse for rare moments for display her new Pip-Boy Power.

EoL

[sterile torrent]

Good Morning everyone!

[gusty plank]

Started to watch the show since I could get a free trial of prime, looks good atm! 🙂

[runic jolt]

To add some critique, the show went overboard with whitewashing China (forbidden word). I really hope season 2 doesn't follow suit

[red forge]

Que?

[split trout]

Hmm.. i have some question of the Future (Spoilers):

||Did Lucy became pregnant in Episode 1?||
||Right at the Start, the President gone missing TV News. Did he/she already hide in this Vault-Tec V.I.P. Vault or on his own or did Vault-Tec got rid of him because of the Nuclear Launch Codes?||
||Did Ghoul's Daughter survived this Nuclear Bombs Explosions, or has his Skin still some unburned part like the shape he hold his kid on the Horse?||
||Do Maximus get this Power Armor back that he left outside Vault 4? Did the Citizens of Vault 4 rescued it into their Vault like earlier? i would do it. Free Power Armor "Muscles" to put into Work inside their Vault. But they should get rid of it's Tracker first. It must have some kind, because they dropped his new Squire near at him, right?||

and so on. I hope some of this points get tackled on with time

[gusty plank]

Uhh lol the text repeats for me o .o

[red forge]

||Did Lucy became pregnant in Episode 1?||
My guess is ||no. I recall a similar suspicion in GoT if Sansa fell pregnant to Ramsay Snow/Bolton, which ended up not happening. I'm leaning the same direction for this show. I know it's a totally different show, but that's the similarity hallmark I'm making for now.||

[split trout]

Yeah. ||I bet his surface radiation made him sterile or to low quality sperm. So it not happened. But it would be nice to hear this||

ah yes, i forgot ||Is Lucy's Brother now out of the Game frozen in time. or do he get some comeback?|| I hope i do not ask to deep questions now

[red forge]

||Did Ghoul's Daughter survived this Nuclear Bombs Explosions||
This one ||we just simply don't know yet. When he finally confronted Hank towards the end, his 1 question was querying of the whereabouts of his family, which means this'll be a plot arc.||

[split trout]

fair enough

[split trout]

But ||I hope they know, that if his Daughter survived and she is still alive, that she must be now over 200+X Human Years old. Like her Dad||

[true ocean]

https://tenor.com/view/flipping-through-notes-tiger-king-checking-notes-reviewing-cramming-gif-24216267

[sterile torrent]

||my thought is that his daughter didnt make it, since she was with him when the bombs dropped, and he is looking for his wife cause she was part of the reason why she is gone||

[split trout]

||Yeah, that also my gist. His Wife could also survived on Ice Sleep. Obviosly he did not made it in time himself into an Vault. Perhaps he pushed her right in time into some small Privat underground Vault||

[wild blade]

|| wasn't the daughter shown with him when the bombs dropped but he must have lost her along the way. Otherwise he would have said "where Is my wife" instead of "where is my family"" ||

[sterile torrent]

||It is pretty much guaranteed she is there or was there because she was high up and they froze management, now maybe she is out now or went out at some point, but she had to have been there at some point||

[split trout]

||She was with him on the Horse they rode when the Bombs fell (Why i have now "Shakra, when the Walls fell!" inside my mind..)||

[split trout]

||Yeah. Let's see. Perhaps if the Daughter make an reappearance they could go there an cast her Adult Version or Granny with many Kids of their own|| Let's see. Nice chat 👍

||It would hit my "i feel sorry for her" feels when she become the same as her father "curse"|| Okay, enough of me about that

||Someones do not get this feeling? Re-picture you all how in Interstellar the dad saw his Daughter old and dying of old Age and he survived her... imagine how he feels||

[novel plank]

Could also be ||that Coop knew where to get his daughter in order to keep her safe, and was aware of the cryo pods.||

[split trout]

Yes. but the key is here time. ||While both where riding on the Horse||

[sterile torrent]

||true! he could have gotten her to her mother and told her to keep the daughter safe before the fallout got her||

[novel plank]

Yep. But we don't know a lot about the situation yet.

[split trout]

My fanfiction mid works this out:
||Sorry, first i do not want to offense anybody with that.||
||While the Scene where about to leave them laggy behind the Camera on the down right corner. he could had turned the Horse to reach some Small Private Bunker to avoid the Shockwave and the Burn||
||Then after some time, he regain consciousness and checked on her. She completed unharmed and from there on: He could had brought her to her Mother or he found somewhere an Place for her to stay||
||And he was still "okay". His Skin was Red like an Lobster. But he did not scary her to death. So his Skin became slowly after all has settling down to avoid Horrorshow for her||

[marble yoke]

||we know from the switchboard in Fo4 that defensive systems detected missile launches at 9:13 AM - 29 minutes before nukes hit New York and Pennsylvania. So yeah, the president probably hid in some vault||

[tepid stirrup]

I love that the ||class we see Maximus in at Brotherhood School is teaching them how to loot things that aren’t junk|| 😂

[novel plank]

The President was aboard the oil rig that is visited in Fallout 2, and had been there for several days, maybe even weeks, before the war.

[split trout]

Also, i would not be surprised ||if she turn to become some sort of scientist to cure Daddy from all of this :)||

[tawny sage]

So uh, is it safe to say at this point that ||Sinclair|| deserved the things Dean Domino did to him?

[true ocean]

|| I dont think there is a cure. Maybe something that can stop him from need meds to fend off going feral ||

[split trout]

that would be a good step in this direction. ||If some Serum can turn normal Humans into Ghouls...||

[true ocean]

|| True. It is fallout sy-fy magic ||

[split trout]

||But to not lit some forks and firewood fans here. It's of course only unique to his DNA. Because she also used her own similarity "Daughter" DNA to work it out||
||Cliche: Daddy, i finished this one only Serum for you. It could kill you or help you out to endure this Body!||
||or she donate one of her Kidney to wash his Blood to prevent this happen what you wrote||

[tawny sage]

I like how the wiki calls ||Bud's Robobrain Design|| "Brain in a Roomba"

[split trout]

or Captain Future ||Professor Simon Wright||. It was an childhood Animation Series here in Germany. i would add some picture for comparing. But i do not want to spoil

[tiny saddle]

||Ohhh, I didn’t even think about this one! This would be awesome!||

[cunning snow]

||You mean like the one Hancock took in 4?||

[analog topaz]

came here to say, I thought it was going to be terrible. it was really good.

reignited my love for the games, I replayed fallout 1 and 2 and am now replaying 4

[split trout]

Sorry, i must pass on that. No imagine is coming into my mind about that

[long quiver]

https://youtube.com/shorts/V3QEVGHpEtM?si=zHCiBqoxjqv07cxo

I was very pleasantly surprised, at Season one, y’all knocked it outta the park!
Can’t wait for season 2!!!

[lunar hawk]

Please remember to use spoiler tags

[analog topaz]

||John dies at the end||

[queen jolt]

so many black bars you'd think this was a declassified document

[analog topaz]

https://tenor.com/view/fallout4-gif-5924860 ||When is HE going to be in the show?||

[true ocean]

https://tenor.com/view/no-the-office-nope-mmm-gif-18301824

[analog topaz]

||It could be the best redemption arc ever!||

[fallen niche]

It's a typical fallout document 🤣🤣🤣🤣.

[iron geyser]

Months, actually. Terminals in the Boston Bugle in 4 include an article stating that the West Wing had been dark for "more than half a year" and (correctly) alleges that POTUS's secret bolthole is none other than a Poseidon Energy oil rig repurposed as the headquarters of a shadow government

[novel plank]

Oh for sure, but the timeline is nebulous as to specifics. I love that terminal entry, btw - the sad irony of someone figuring it all out to no avail.

[iron geyser]

And publishing it on the weekend the world ended anyway

[tawny totem]

https://tenor.com/view/good-show-jolly-good-show-pops-regular-show-fantastic-show-what-an-amazing-show-gif-7397785824303513745

[dark temple]

||I know who the shadowy figure at the corporate cabal is…

https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000579/?ref_=ext_shr_lnk
Or at least who should play him.||

[spiral light]

||Pretty sure it's her boss in some capacity like the unknown Vault-Tech CEO or Vault-Tech President. Either way Ron Perlman would be awesome||

[vocal rock]

whoops sent too early.

I'm very curious if they're going to canonize ||House's death at the hands of the Courier|| or ||keep him alive for the sake of spicing up the next season taking place at least in part in the Mojave Wasteland/New Vegas.||

Either one might slightly bother players of that game lol. That's the price y'gotta pay sometimes though unless you can find a way to handwave something as "coulda been either or." Don't think you can really do that with this though since ||House is/was extremely central to New Vegas.||

[eager depot]

How do I censor stuff so I can talk

[split trout]

Use || at Start and at the end

two time the |

[plush herald]

Dudw

[split trout]

or look up on this channel header, there it is explained, too

[eager depot]

||test||

[plush herald]

Just finished the show, absolutely love it. Is there a way for me to audition for it?

[split trout]

works. it is hidden with a spoiler tag

[eager depot]

||"I don't understand why people are freaking out. I think the creators played it smart by revealing just enough but not everything. They left the timeline board vague and unclear because the story isn't finished yet. My biggest concern is how they will treat the ending of New Vegas and Mr. House. If they have cast an actor for him, then they likely have plans for him, so I think he's still alive regardless. We'll have to wait for season 2 to get answers to everything. "||

I'm not hand picking things from it finish the show or don't read it lol

[plush herald]

|Test|

[split trout]

2 times the |

[plush herald]

||Test||

||They already did, In the scene in the vault tec situation room, the RobCo Rep is House. Not just by appearance, but also by the mannerisms, the casino comment, and overall vibe.||

[plush herald]

Thank you

[queen jolt]

I'm just suprised we dont get a "War, war never changes" at the start of every episode

[brazen radish]

||i thought the casino mention was a dig at Frederick Sinclair and the Sierra Madre ngl||

[red forge]

Oh crap... How did I not see that ||Cooper Howard is the human form of vault boy... THAT is what the thumbs up was all about...||

[novel plank]

Because it is.

[eager depot]

||people acy like the ncr is gone "they nuked them away" the show clearly says population 34852 and the ncr population is 700,000. They not gone just shady sands||

[novel plank]

Yep. So far as we know.

[tepid marlin]

Loved this series and|| its twist with the dad||

[eager depot]

The new ||way ghouls work is well|| meh idk how I feel

[indigo magnet]

Do we know what the ghouls revolver is called?

In my opinion it should be called “Boom!”

[novel plank]

If I can't shoot raiders with that in Fallout 5 it'll be a crime.

[austere nymph]

I don't reckon it has a name yet

I'd call it the Rockwell Hand Cannon if it were added to the game. A nod to the OG Fallout's rocket launcher.

What would you guys name it?

I originally thought BoomCo but that's an irl brand of toy dart guns if I ain't mistaken

[red forge]

https://www.kotaku.com.au/2024/04/yes-fallout-new-vegas-is-still-canon-after-the-tv-show/

[hazy pawn]

I just finished the series and all I really have to say is they better not cancel it between seasons

[red forge]

Well, this ain't Netflix 😉

[hazy pawn]

I think an Expanse-length run is in order here

also the production designers deserve an Emmy

[hazy pawn]

We probably have to wait until after TES6 for that, though

[austere nymph]

I hope we get some protectrons in season 2, all Robbie the Robot style. Slap some more handmade costumes on ppl and edit in the clunking.

Lovin' this show, finishing my 2nd watch of the series. I want season 2 already!

[red forge]

Yeah I did actually wonder how bots would be designed.

[foggy fulcrum]

They didn’t even show Laser or plasma weapons so it’s clear they are not going all out to soon.

[hazy pawn]

I think I saw someone carrying one, but we never see it fired on screen

[austere nymph]

||If the show's ending is anything to go by, I reckon House survived the events of Fallout NV, meaning his ending is canon|| Perhaps 🤷‍♂️

[hazy pawn]

I was just pondering that myself

[foggy fulcrum]

||I think that may very well be what happens, just because House is one of the major people at that meeting, Von Felden and Sinclair are both dead.||

[austere nymph]

||They showed a laser pistol on the hip of commie mommie in the final episode, but no, none in combat yet||

Watching again to confirm 😂 The laser pistol is all I'm looking at. Honest! I'm not a vile mole rat or anything, nah!

Gosh darn-it I want another season! This is too good!

[austere nymph]

||I'd love to see more of house in the show. He's one of my fav characters in the series. Here's to hoping! 🤞||

||Oh hell naw I seen that evil mfer lookin' down at Betty during the meetup, that boi gotta be Enclave, he too creepy to be anything but. I have to know more! Ahhh!!! 😩||

[novel plank]

Yes, we do.

[tawny sage]

||I feel like it's going to be the Enclave President||

[spiral light]

||Why ?||

[tawny sage]

||The president's wherabouts were not well known at this point in time, alongside this we know the Enclave had existed for some time before the war and had significent ties to Vault-Tec||

[spiral light]

|| I was thinking it's their boss from Vault Tech because he had a private viewing area to oversee a private meeting, and seemed to notify her on her pip-boy when Bud's pitch wasn't winning them over. It makes sense he'd want to be there for such an important meeting, while leaving the talking to their best sales rep. She seemed to hint at different times that she was hired for ability to sell things so it make sense for her boss to send her a message like the company really needs this one, we need you to step up.||

[tawny sage]

||Considering as the Encalve was able to run the government from the shadows is it not a crazy idea that they were also running vault tec?||

[spiral light]

|| Anything is possible, that would be a twist that fits. Maybe the Enclave secretly created vault-tech and the meeting was just for onboarding additional investors. Maybe it wasn't a message from her boss ? Maybe they fixed her pipboy and she realized her husband was spying on her then sided with the Enclave for a more realistic chance of survival ||

[frank ginkgo]

anyone else find it interesting that the guy who plays the enclave scientist with the dog, also played a character where he was a computer scientist where he had a pet Alsatian dog and ||had a limp|| in a show called "person of interest"?

two universes creeped into each other

[storm verge]

It’s the same character the enclave invented inter universal travel

[frank ginkgo]

ohh all make sense now lmao

[spiral light]

My friend watched that show and was really excited || till they cut his head off ||

[frank ginkgo]

yeah was ||sad to see that happen|| that character is awesome in that show

[spiral light]

|| Not so bad it tasted like bananas || 😂

[frank ginkgo]

||I thought the vault tec plan B pills was very dark and very fallout, like the cheap pulaski shelter things in 3 and 4, just more obvious "you aren't going to survive so just end it". grim. especially when there's a kid in a high chair also dead from eating some||

[fossil fiber]

Wasteland Vendor : can I interest you in some iguana ?
Vault Dweller : oh, uh... I'm okay, thank you
Vault Dweller : um, have you seen this man ?
Wasteland Vendor : Dog Meat !

[storm verge]

If I ever get another dog I’m naming it Dogmeat

[fossil fiber]

[storm verge]

Then I’ll nuke the planet and play fallout in real life

[frank ginkgo]

||I'm not sure about the idea of the medicine to stop ghouls going feral, you think this is maybe a placebo, that they'll go feral anyway, and someone's taking advantage of ghouls? I've only seen up to episode 6||

[storm verge]

|| I think it’s something that helps but doesn’t mean some aren’t more resistant to the feralization||

[spiral light]

|| In a weird way I was happy they showed the darker side of things, felt more like the video game ||

[frank ginkgo]

||would likely be a ghoul who would create such a chem... the wasteland is quite racist and I can't imagine any other technological faction caring enough||

[frank ginkgo]

||this very dark side of it is very much fallout imho, made it feel more like the games like when you find posed skeletons||

[spiral light]

|| before it came out I was worried they might shy away from that kind of thing||

[frank ginkgo]

||did anyone else notice the wasteland survival guide pinned to the wall in the store in Philly btw||

so much careful world building

[spiral light]

|| I noticed the skill magazine on the table she didn't pick up, and they ignored the doctor npc offering to cure his foot as they left ||

[frank ginkgo]

I was more worried it would go the other direction, e.g. ||a show for adults must have tons of sex, nudity etc like game of thrones||, they didnt do this either

[frank ginkgo]

||yeah, but if they just jabbed a stimpack into his stump it would respawn right? or maybe theyre playing with some kinda permadeath mod on ||

[spiral light]

Ya GOT was more dramatic like everyone is important where as Fallout is more like " things happen " anyone can die any time

[frank ginkgo]

more like walking dead but with nukes

what are your thoughts on ||the fate of shady sands||?

[spiral light]

Even walking dead takes death more seriously and it's more drama oriented I think Fallout has a more playful sort absurdity like at the end of the day no matter what you plan things might not work out and the world doesn't care about any individual

[frank ginkgo]

lol yeah i loved it when ||the ghoul guy said "number one rule you always get side tracked"|| THIS IS ME in game, EVERY time i try to do a quest/mission

20 hours of gameplay later... ||i guess i should go turn in that thing the brotherhood scribes wanted me to bring back from ... wtf.... nuka world???||

[spiral light]

I played New Vegas that took place years earlier so I don't really think it interferes with the story

[frank ginkgo]

||i think it was like 90 years earlier wasnt it?||

she comes out of the vault what 291 years after the great war? or did i misread

[spiral light]

|| New Vegas is 2281 the show is 2296 and Shady Sands is Destroyed in 2277 so they say why would NCR be expanding in 2281 if Shady Sands was destroyed in 2277 but my guess is they had to spread out because shady sands was destroyed ||

[frank ginkgo]

true theres literally ||no mention of shady sands being their capital|| in fonv is there? but ||fonv was made by a different studio anyway||

but it wasnt ||nuked in 2077, it was nuked a 2nd time in like the 2290s, many characters refer to remembering it happen, and one is only what, in his 20s?||

[spiral light]

||my bad it's not 2077 it was destroyed in 2277, so its 19 years before the tv show and 4 years before New Vegas||

[frank ginkgo]

||it might be that the troops sent to new vegas werent aware of the fate of shady sands||? i mean how many years does it take to travel hundreds of miles, in lore, and they dont have any tech to ||communicate long distance so if they were sent away to defend the dam, they wouldnt know until they returned to find their home a burning hole||

i mean ||moving a small army|| takes a lot longer than ||just the courier going for a wander||

||would be funny if the lone wanderer did it, when targeting the world for fun with the alien spaceship laser||

doesnt fit the timeline though?

isnt there an option to ||target shady sands|| with the ||enclave base crawler||? (actually no sorry, different games :D)

[spiral light]

|| This all takes place on the west coast so it's plausible world traveled quickly and they had 4 years to rebuild their ranks before New Vegas||

|| As the courier we had lots of options and abilities to change the future of New Vegas so I'm hoping some of those outcomes play a part of the world they explore in season 2 like the courier was a folk hero or a menace. I'm just hoping they don't leave the courier out altogether or try to cast someone to embody our character||

[oblique mortar]

||Maybe I glossed over it as I watch the series at work, but was Moldaver also a former Vault Dweller from Vault 31 or another Cryogenic vault? I mean, she’s about technically 219 or something since she is from the Pre-War.||

[tough snow]

||it looks that way but he asks 'where is my family' rather than 'where is my wife' i would guess he gets to the vault or wherever with wife and daughter, either he denies to enter the vault itself leaving the wife and kid there or he gets refused entry/dog gets refused entry so he stays out.. would be pretty cool if he swaps his space for his dog but more than likely him and his dog roamed the wastes while mother and daughter took an ice bath, otherwise writers messed up the line||

[tough snow]

||it should have been him saying war never chages, they didnt even need to get him to say it again if they could record him they could just re-use a game line , they messed up they way they gave in the show that was one of the momements detracting from 10 ||

[tough snow]

there is a option is new vegas dlc game ||to nuke places if i remember correctly you can nuke ncrs territory , legions territory and somewhere else im not sure.. i dont really remember ||

||which is hilarious since after i nuked the ncr territory as doing a playthrough against them , nuking them you would think be a unforgiveable atrocity at least considering the current climate.. and walking out the casino the nrc soldier is like 'you're forgiven.. come talk to us' 😂 ||

[frank ginkgo]

I bet they don't assume you'll do it in that order lol

[proper parrot]

Everybody who wants a Lucy in their life.... Raise your hand 🙂

[tough snow]

not me

[tough snow]

||worked so hard to decrease rep and had it ruined||

[tardy shoal]

We should start a pool for whether ||Thaddeus is a ghoul or a mutant||
I know that HFS doesn't technically protect against rads, and the Dr. says ||he doesn't have to worry about rads anymore,|| but I was under the assumption that ||ghouls can't heal broken bones the same way HFS can||

[clever flicker]

I'm only on episode 3 but how are people unable to understand that || the Canon ending for Fallout 4 is the Brotherhood of Steel ending ||

[digital copper]

it doesn't help that they repeatedly stated in the leadup to release that ||the show would not acknowledge or contradict any potential endings for FO4 or New Vegas|| and that ||the airship is totally a different one called the Caswennan||, which it turned out it wasn't apparently :P

[clever flicker]

|| a totally different one built in 9 years? I call bs ||

[digital copper]

||first one was built in 8, four of which were spent drawing up the design before they moved on to actual construction|| 🤷

[clever flicker]

|| that's insane ||

|| either way the bos ending would still have to be THE ending ||

[foggy fulcrum]

||I feel the not contradict endings would be a lie anyway, the only one that wouldn’t be canon is the Institute one by process of elimination, however I’ve said before that just because the Brotherhood is in the Commonwealth does not necessarily mean they were the ones to destroy them.||

||It could have been the Minutemen or Railroad and the Brotherhood still got what they want and have a major Power out of the way.||

[digital copper]

||It also cancels out the railroad ending because that also requires you to take down the Prydwen, which is 2/4, and the Minutemen ending has a variant where you shoot down the Prydwen, which makes it more like 2.5/4||

[foggy fulcrum]

||Yes but you also have the option of… not doing those missions either.||

[digital copper]

||Blowing up the Prydwen is not optional for the Railroad main quest lol||

[raven wolf]

[foggy fulcrum]

||Your missing my point, I’m saying in regards to the Main Story that is the Institute, the game ends there imo, whatever you do afterwards is ultimately whether you want to proceed through certain things or not.||

[digital copper]

||Wha… yeah okay I suppose “you stop playing the story quests halfway through and never get to the ending cutscene and epilogue” is technically an ending if you squint, sure|| 😂

[foggy fulcrum]

… Are you mocking me?

[digital copper]

Sorry, didn’t mean to be rude

It’s just… a new and unusual take that I haven’t seen before and don’t think I agree with

Sincerely sorry, didn’t mean to be a jerk there, just a knee-jerk reaction on my part

[sterile torrent]

Please keep it on topic for the Tv series

[foggy fulcrum]

It relates to the Tv Series

Like if we are bringing up the games that’s because we are bringing it up in relation to the series.

[digital copper]

I mean it kind of is, since we’re discussing the fact that the TV series ||directly invalidates half of FO4’s potential endings despite them saying it wouldn’t before release|| 🤷‍♂️

[foggy fulcrum]

||Anyway what I was saying, the Main Story of Fallout 4 is the Institute, only 3 other factions beat them, Brotherhood would make the most sense just because the Commonwealth is mentioned in the show, however, the main war that is the Institute is the story and they go into “war never changes” among other stuff, as well as a live action cutscene, so it’s basically saying, “That’s the end of the main story” now I don’t wanna say that necessarily invalidates the option to destroy the brotherhood or brotherhood destroying the railroad, but I feel the major story that was told, is over, and everything after is ultimately a choice to accept destroying the other.||

[digital copper]

Yeah I think you’re misremembering, the only live-action cutscene is the intro and the only cutscene after that is ||when you either blow up the Institute for one of the other factions or blow up the Prydwen for the Institute, and in one of the former endings you have to blow up the Prydwen first before doing that||

[foggy fulcrum]

||Yeah but I don’t count the Institute ending anyway, because let’s be real, there is no way that ending was ever gonna be canon.||

[digital copper]

Well yeah of course, we agree on that 😂👍

[foggy fulcrum]

XD

[digital copper]

||No Canon for the Wicked, as they say|| 🤣

[placid star]

hey wolf!

[placid star]

you from nola? I recognize the jazz fest art

[digital copper]

Not Nola, but Loosianner for sure 🤣

[placid star]

noice. im gno proper

[digital copper]

BR born and raised lol, though now Cali residing (traitor I know lol)

[placid star]

Awesome. Love me some cajun fallout

I'm about to logon 76 with my cousin.

i know Wolf from UESP or TILcord.

He's good people. And it was UESP, I go by Dog there.

[placid star]

||TBF, show plot writing is not Choose Your Adventure plot writing.||

but i understand both sides

i expected inconsistences. Even Star Wars and LOTR do that... the world is bigger than any writers room

these inconsistencies imo give us lorebeards a bigger seat at the watercooler's table. For now it is merely intrigue to me

[true ocean]

https://tenor.com/view/flipping-through-notes-tiger-king-checking-notes-reviewing-cramming-gif-24216267

[digital copper]

Ehh, still, they talked a big game about ||respecting player choice and not stepping on the toes of previous games, so directly stomping out half the potential endings as non-canon feels a lil like we were lied to a touch|| 🤷‍♂️

I did see someone point out that ||the lines about “clerics in the Commonwealth” seemed ADR’d in, and that plus the fact that they never mention the ship by name tells me maybe this was a last-minute decision from higher up that they had to awkwardly cut around and rapidly edit (replacing Caswennan on the airship model with Prydwen too maybe :p)||

[placid star]

||i'm wondering if the show will dip into the old movie idea of Vault Tec secretly initiating the war.||

[digital copper]

||oh so you haven’t watched it yet|| 😂

[true ocean]

|| Have you not watched the entire show?||

[placid star]

Haven"t finished the last 2.

[digital copper]

lips sealed on whether that’s confirmation or refutation 🤐

[placid star]

I promised dad we would together. He's now an avid fan

Never played the games, not in him.

[placid star]

afraid to click this lol

[digital copper]

Heh, my dad was already an avid fallout fan but he just doesn’t have the free time or energy to watch an hour long episode a day for a week straight 😂

Binged with my GF instead lol, she also loves the franchise

[placid star]

That's nice. My dad doesn't like newer games... swears by the ps2 i handed him down.

maybe i can find a copy of BoS for him in the wild

lol

[digital copper]

Yeah, I’m sure that will convince him Fallout games are good 🤣

[placid star]

he's something of a technophobe, but the aesthetics are extremely nostalgic for him.

Which, like, of course.

[teal dune]

One good thing about this show for me, and how it handled canon

I'm finally going to do an evil Legion run of New Vegas

Because why not

[placid star]

i like playing as legion on Contractors in VR... suits the hyperkill setting

used to run legion but i have a special place in my heart for ncr defects and desert rangers, etc.

Adjacents, yaknow? Not spearhead political powers but shock troops

[ebon oracle]

Cad Bane from Star Wars, vs Cooper Howard (The Ghoul) of the Fallout tv series. Who would win in a gunslinging standoff?

[vivid urchin]

i personally loved fallout!!!

[ebon oracle]

People like them are just insufferable. They should be honored about the Fallout TV series. Halo fans suffered worse. Heck, Halo fans like myself love the Fallout show and are actually jealous Halo was not given that luxury. I don't care about Paramount's excuse, I rather the series have good directors and writers like the ones who made the show that actually played and loved the games to make a good video game show.

I heard though that Jonathan didn't play the games, but he respected the source material with a passion and that's what made Fallout so beloved. The way Lucy's written is how you portray female characters done right. We get to play as females in the games, so I don't understand what the issue is.

[vivid urchin]

i told him to touch grass in the comment section

[frank ginkgo]

can't believe I had to make that more PG on a server for 18 rated games.

I can't say male donkey here, what is this American church discord? lol

[sterile torrent]

Please keep everything work appropriate. Although the games are rated 18 the discord server is not.

[frank ginkgo]

we use that word at work all the time

[ebon oracle]

As I was saying @foggy fulcrum , the ship we see in the show is not the Prydwen. It's called ||The Caswennan||.

[frank ginkgo]

also a ||Welsh Arthurian name||

[ebon oracle]

The captain of the Prydwen stated that there are other Brotherhood airships.

[frank ginkgo]

I wonder where they ||got the resources to build one considering they needed to dismantle a mobile base crawler and a nuclear aircraft carrier and base crawlers and working nuclear carriers weren't exactly just laying about the place||

[ebon oracle]

Oh I see, ||The Caswennan was an erroneous name used to identify the airship the Prydwen in a pre-release exclusive published by Vanity Fair prior to the release of the Fallout TV show. Despite labeling the airship "Caswennan" in a captioned photo, the airship in the photo features "PRYDWEN" to the left of the Brotherhood of Steel decal on the forward section of the hull. The photo used in the Vanity Fair article and the corresponding scene in the television release are identical.||

[digital copper]

He says ||they built ones in the past|| and another person in the same game explains that they ||all crashed in the midwest||, just a tactics reference

That said: I think ||it being Prydwen was a last-minute thing||

||Nobody ever speaks the name out loud and somebody I talked to noticed the mention of "clerics in the commonwealth" seems ADR'd in while the BOS officer associated with the ship appears to have conspicuously few lines despite being prominent in his scene and having a name||

||I think someone higher up, maybe at Amazon or Zenimax, may have been like "It needs to be the Prydwen for brand recognition" right as they were doing VFX and ADR, which are like the last things you do after shooting has wrapped||

||Which would also explain why it goes against the repeated "we're not canonizing or contradicting any endings to Fallout 4 or NV" statements Todd and the showrunners made before release||

[ebon oracle]

You're right, it is ||The Prydwen.||

[ebon oracle]

Anyway, who do you think might win in a dual?

[lofty prairie]

I watched all 8 episodes it was amazing and I have a few questions

If they could be answered?

[tiny saddle]

Ask away!

[sterile torrent]

Keep in mind to mark spoilers though!

[true badge]

I just want to know, was the ||gulper|| a cameo by @sterile torrent ?

[abstract orbit]

The Prydwen was built from the remains of the mobile crawler from Adams AFB right?

[abstract orbit]

Jango Fett

[tough snow]

do have to wonder why, if the games are 18+ then minors wouldnt be able to see said content, talk about the game or see screenshots etc that would be wildly inpropriate and worse than somebody using language thats expressive language not aimed at anybody - i didnt know about servers age raging so glad someone brought it up.. i forgot age rating on games existed 😂

[true badge]

Have to say, I did enjoy its entrance in FO4….definitely a nice change up from what was going on so far 😄

[abstract orbit]

He won every gun duel… until Qui-Gon Jin killed him

[tough snow]

people laugh at those who bring knifes to gun fights.. unless its laser powered

[abstract orbit]

I just fail to see how a rotten, 200 year old ghoul could withstand power armor attacks

[true badge]

I have to say, I’d love to have seen them go full 18 rated on the TV series, but, having said that, I think they did a very good job of maxing out the 15 rating lol.

[abstract orbit]

Games aren’t 18+

They’re rated mature 17+

[true badge]

In the UK its 18 rated, we dont have a 17 rated

We have Uc, U, PG, 12, 15 and 18

If it contains video, even animated, it has to have a BBFC certification here, as well as a PEGI rating

[true ocean]

The classification and rating debate does not need to a topic of discussion.

[true badge]

Sorry goblin, on my part I was just saying it would have been interesting to see how the TV series would have gone with a higher rating.

I wont go in to details obviously as the discord is a much lower rating 😄

[tough snow]

i think they got the game right in terms of random gore , would have made more sense for a tiny bit more swearing but its an american product not uk/eu , but every episode felt like fallout so cant complain, ||the ghouls pistol with the perk that blows people to bits seemed pretty accurate 😂 ||

[true badge]

Im a big fan of ultraviolence in media, completely pacifist in real life, I loved various aspects of the show in respect of how they handled the UV, and then mixed it up with dark comedy, as you say, the show is very much like Fallout and I think in this regard they got it right. Who didnt have a lot of fun in FO3 with VATS hehe. Only Zombie Sniper went one better lol

[tough snow]

im not obsessed with gore i dont even like , i get nothing from it.. but playing the fallout games the shows weapons and effects are actually insanely accurate so props to them weapon designers/artist people on that one

[true badge]

One thing I really liked, is the ||way her brother starts to put things together prior to the massacre, it gave me a nice sense of how terminal entries and notes etc in the game lead you to realise what happened in a given situation long ago|| this was a very nice touch

[true badge]

Oh they definitely got all the prop stuff spot on, very lovely to see. I do love the gore, but only if its done in the right way and for the right reasons, im a massive fun of stuff like Robocop, its basically the grandfather of gore, not because its all the way through, but it has it when it makes sense.

[tough snow]

agreed, norm deffo had a better story arc, and actual growth and tbh even a bigger and better plot than maximus , his scenes were always interesting and he even made me want to ||watch the what happened to vault 32 what is vault 31 up to more than the brotherhood questline ||

[true badge]

Yeah, the actor is very good at the role, manages both nuance and faux ignorance fantastically ||absolutely loved the light comedy though in 31 when Bud bot is trying to stab him with the syringe, hahah massive lol moment for me||

[tough snow]

even random bits like power armours hanging frame/bench thing , fridges, it looked like they were walking through a fallout game

[true badge]

I loved the wallpaper in the vault rooms and pictures etc matching what we have/see in the games 😄

[tough snow]

||yeah loved the comedy of that part, personally i was wondering why he didnt snap the syringe of or just pick the robot up and walk with it to pacify it, it still could have stabbed him at the cryopods discovery seen, but the comedy was great, or the holding the paper up to the missing head and 'yeah thats him' 😂 ||

[true badge]

Massive kudos to the production company in that respect for taking on the gamble of using Bethesdas knowledge for that stuff instead of going with their own too much

[sterile torrent]

That was the first thing my brother said too lol

[true badge]

Omg, I loved that bit ||where he holds up the paper to the missing head|| brilliant humour

[sterile torrent]

That cracked me up as well

[true badge]

I had quite a few lol and rofl moments tbf, that related to game humour mainly, but sometimes jut general humour. I do love ||lucys naïveté in the beginning, some of the phrases she comes out with are brilliant||

[tough snow]

||thats the part i didnt like.. i||||f anyone could win that fight 1v1 it would be a 250-270 year old ghoul who was a marine that knows the armour.. but im not mistaken ghouls are supposed to be rotting not tanking servo assisted metal swings .. also think it should have done worse to thaddeus foot - in the games ive always though ghouls shouldnt be able to damage power armour or players health inside power armour at all they would break their limbs in the attack and pacify themselves.. ||

[true badge]

I will say again tho that ||I dont believe Moldova would use raiders to get in the vault, she has her own military contingent, why use raiders? I love the way that went down, but it just dont quite hang for me as a plot point||

||that section does smack a little of plot armour, but the show is going to take its own licence with some stuff as mentioned by them, so its possible there is more ot the ghoul than we realise, he could have some kind of buffs going on we dont know about, he certainly loves his chems, not just the one that stops him turning lol||

[tough snow]

||i dont think its too far off the mark.. if shes focussed on a bit more greater good and her work.. vault tec is the enemy, and what she needs to do to achieve it her people might not be ok with or not want to risk them, so send in some cannon fodder and offer them a payday but in the end you achieve the greater good.. its not too out of it i dont think||

[sterile torrent]

||I had this same debate, raiders would not be used that way either, they are not mercenaries that work for people.||

[tough snow]

||i feel like you could offer them a payday for a reward, its fiends i wouldnt try to bargen with ||

[true badge]

@brightstone (I cant seem to reply to things atm?) ||doing things for the good is one thing, using the raiders when she has her military she could use is another, if you do things for the good, while you may take liberties, you dont tend to take liberties that are horrific if not necessary||

[tough snow]

||one small drop in a very large bucket was a good solid quote 😂 ||

[true badge]

@sterile torrent ||yes, also true, raiders do their own thing, but if promised a nice tasty vault to play in, I could see them agreeing to do it, I just dont see maldova using them when she has her own military||

All I know, is that in Series 2, there has to be a Preston vs Piper showdown….. 😄

[sterile torrent]

I don't know, i mean i can see them agreeing, but then just killing her and taking everything when they get there. They are not a very trustworthy bunch lol

[tough snow]

||personally im greater good myself i think i would use raiders but only if i knew i could keep them in line or kill them if they crossed it i would tell them you get the reward but cross me and die, i personally wouldnt kill innocents, but if you see a few deaths of corporate stooges in exchange for thousands of lives powering the surface saving much more lives than you take and limitless energy to restore the human population , its not too horrific ||

[true badge]

But ||you could just use your military to do the same infiltration, have greater control of how things go down and not kill innocents….||

[tough snow]

||would depends on the greed of the raiders the offer of the payday, she offers them the vault , all its riches all its loot and says she might have another oppurtunity in the future, her reward is one prisoner i dont think they would betray too much ||

[true badge]

I think for the sake of the show they made the right choice, but I dont think its how it would have gone down in ‘reality’ lol

[sterile torrent]

||Thats the thing though! They didnt take anything. the raiders just killed people and left with her||

[tough snow]

||also because the episodes have different writers and directors i think thats why it went wonky, like first director she wasnt a good person final director she was, if you rewatch the first episode its weird, they kind of seem like vault people at first 'the behaviour' then look like raiders' then when shes won and got prisoners they look more like trained soldiers than raiders.. that scene in of itself is all over the place ||

[tough snow]

||agreed , my previous comment, they seem to change from raiders to soldiers/followers in the scene where hank is captured and how they retreat that does not look very raider like.. ||

[true badge]

Yeah, I’d agree ||there was an element of disarray from a direction perspective, they tried to take on the Mandalorian method, but even that didnt work out so well overall||

[tough snow]

||i think personally they weren never supposed to be raiders.. i think they were supposed to be ncr/soldiers but when lucy says 'raiders' with the geigar counter i think its supposed to look like they are raiders to the vault people being savages from the surface but it was just he show trying to tell people what the vault thought of surface dwellers and not give the womans story away||

[true badge]

Tbh, for me, the main gripe I have is ||the gulper, it looks more like an angler/gulper hybrid for one, but the sequences involving it just dont really gel for me as well as they could do. And while the whole Thaddeus sequence is fun, I just felt it a little too lighthearted||

[tough snow]

||or the raiders were a distraction set them loose in the vault why she and her goons grab what they need and leave ||

[true badge]

||well, the way the captured ones reacted, either they were raiders, or they were on some kind of time release drugs||

[sterile torrent]

regardless, the show was a 10/10 for me.

[true badge]

I cant go 10/10, but it’s very close, and a lot better than anything else I’ve watched in the last decade.

[abstract orbit]

Yeah, cuz like, ghouls are just zombies. You could gently punch them in the face and their head would fall off

[tepid stirrup]

Besthesda confirmed ||shady sands was bombed just after New Vegas.|| Thank god.

[spiral light]

||Axolotl||

[true badge]

Good point….very similar. Bit bigger tho lol

[spiral light]

https://tenor.com/view/axolotl-smile-happy-cute-animal-smiling-gif-12642274

[spiral light]

||https://youtu.be/Eo50ctoOTWs?si=H6UkV-KfuylZU0yL Skip to 1:36||

[spiral light]

2277 ? 2281 ?

[tepid stirrup]

They said it was ||bombed right after the events of New Vegas|| in the new IGN interview.

[spiral light]

|| So Shady Sands started going down hill in 2277 and was blown up right after the New Vegas story in 2281. ||

[tough snow]

before or after show release? if before then alls well if after then they kind of had to or face splitting game fans vs tv fans haha

[marble yoke]

After, damn bro if they confirmed it before the show release it would have been spoilers

[tough snow]

could have been a tweet they did 5 years ago before shows story was in stone

[marble yoke]

But actually we knew ||about shady sands destruction from the trailers. That crater shot with "shady sands public library" sign||

[tough snow]

i hate trailer spoilers lol but if you remember new vegas video game, ||do you remember what the ncr place you could nuke is called?||

[marble yoke]

In the dlc?

[tepid stirrup]

This makes zero sense… but you could simply read the interview from IGN today.

[tough snow]

yeah

[astral wadi]

||He also implied in the same interview that the NCR still exists and hasn't completely collapsed||

[tough snow]

||i think that one was kinda obvious just to the fact it would be crazy if a show walks in like were killing this faction, that faction you wont see again this is the new world lore. i also think it had too huge a pop and area span to just delete and would still have outposts.. even if brotherhood and legion decided to team up to wipe them.. ||

||in the tv show im speculating that moldavor however you say her name at observatory was one splitoff faction, and that redneck 'president' and 'guvernments' soldiers could also be a group of outcast nrc or people trying to take up some fallen ncr territory||

[foggy fulcrum]

The Boys, Hazbin Hotel, Invincible, track record is pretty good.

[astral wadi]

As well as The Grand Tour, Clarkson's Farm, James Mays our man in series, Reacher, and of course Jack Ryan.

[tough snow]

gotcha that and the new mel gibson studio might have to get that one and give halo a go

[tough snow]

ahh forgot about reacher.. not the cruise movie but the series i liked that guy from dc titans was it , i like the clarkson trio it was a laugh watching the cringy guy from friends trying to take over , not watching top gear again without clarkson trio but i prefer old school top gear to the grand tour,

amazon does have some good hits but i feel it misses the mark a lot despite its heft budget..

fallout tv show is easily the best thing ive watched on amazon

[quick coral]

Honestly James may is the only one I watch now from all the shows they made

[lofty prairie]

Long 15 was a route towards the Mojave Outpost

[tough snow]

was that on the dlc or was that in main game? ||i cant remember the nuke options will have to google it||

[lofty prairie]

It was DLC. I would recommend replaying these games if you have a lot of questions.

[tough snow]

games too old for me, feel too slow/pixelated , im one of those players new games ruin old ones haha , very few exceptions to that rule like mass effect etc

||i just wanted to know what places you can nuke in the dlc are, specifically the ncr location thats literally the only question, i'll be googling it shortly,
||
also currently re-watching the fallout tv a second time to see what i think of it, still not sure on final rating but easily 7/10 minimum

[astral wadi]

My New Vegas looks beautiful it just takes about 123 mods, all my weapons are either 2K or 4K textures and meshes.

[quick coral]

that is so much work haha

[astral wadi]

and I'm still hitting 120 FPS limited it can go way higher but the game breaks.

[astral wadi]

Not really there's a guide that you can follow that makes it really easy and takes about 35 minutes.

[tough snow]

had a good run of skyrim with mods but im not good at sitting through files adding this deleting that , bores me i lose interest and forget video instructions i seen a crazy one on twitch where a moder had a airship flying around in that looked amazing cause i love steamtech genre games but couldnt keep up with the mods 😂

had decent guns on f4 but they were too op couldnt balance it out, managed to get it so me and raiders obliterated each other which brought some challenge back and made gun fights fair..

id be interested if fallout made a game on the tv show think it needs a few more seasons to fill the world tho

lets face it.. all of us would and watch it if they did 10 seasons of fallout tv show this quality or better

[leaden escarp]

Dno if anyone noticed but the dog in the show isn’t called dog meat but the goul says dog meat to the dog in one of the final episodes like wtf

[vocal rock]

wait yeah why the heck did none of the Brotherhood have any, that's like, their thing

[vocal rock]

I mean he basically offscreen named her that. How's he supposed to know the dog was an Enclave experiment with an alphanumerical codename?

Also we the people needed an obligatory Dogmeat. Interesting that I think this is the first female Dogmeat in the series though.

[sly cave]

Also, Dogmeat just seems to be a universal name used in American English to describe a stray dog in the fallout universe.

Like just a slang expression for friendly stray

[true ocean]

https://tenor.com/view/favorite-gif-20845610

[tough snow]

i think its supposed to be a easter egg type fan service reference its also a shepherd/malinois type dog like fallout games dogmeat

[tough snow]

i swear in the show we see accurate|| laser rifles it might have been extra effort for the crew teams to sit there lining up sounds and laser flashes and then get the wounds right i dunno|| .. but they made the props or at least cgi'd them which was cool .. i dunno why bethesda likes their tacky assult rifles and pipe weapons i feel like f3 weapons were so much better and more realistic to the fallout style games too

[foggy fulcrum]

They are clearly not going with the best stuff right off the bat until the next season and such.

[marble cairn]

Is there a spoilers channel for this show? I feel like everything I want to talk about are major spoilers lol

[swift urchin]

Just spoiler your whole post

[red forge]

So if ||spoilerspoilerspoilerspoiler||, then ||spoilerspoilerspoilerspoilerspoilerspoilerspoilerspoilerspoiler.|| However ||spoilerspoilerspoilerspoilerspoilerspoiler|| because of ||spoilerspoilerspoilerspoilerspoilerspoilerspoilerspoilerspoilerspoilerspoilerspoilerspoilerspoilerspoilerspoiler||... It just makes sense.

[novel plank]

[upbeat jewel]

Thanks for not spoiling

I finished the series in s day, while at school 💀, from when i woke up till night

[true badge]

Oh Cook! Love it, so want another series!! Shame Our Man in India was shorter. Longer episodes but shorter series. Would love them to do some more of those too.

[proven crypt]

I hope next season goes into detail on the yellow vials Ghouls have to take cause that was just out of the blue for me

[oblique mortar]

Seems like it helps fight their cognitive decline, sharpens the mind. So that said, I believe it is synthesized from Mentats.

[proven crypt]

Yeah but they didn't do that in the previous game so I want to know like then something significant happened recently after Fallout 4

And with a plan on implementing this storytelling in Fallout 5

[oblique mortar]

I wonder if it is more so tied to the timing of it all. I mean, Nuka World did have that one female ghoul who wanted to seek a cure for it, but died, so the idea of a cure or method to prevent the feral decline from occurring. I wonder if someone had claimed go, but spliced it with chems to lead to the ghoul populations becoming hooked on what is essentially a sugar pill

[true badge]

Lemon drop Mentats 😄