fallout-tv-series

[keen frigate]

So why did someone decide it was a good idea to add cazadores? ||And why aren't there any in the tv show? Oh right, because they would have killed the entire brotherhood, ncr, and everything else||

[whole coral]

Well first, they thought they were sterile. And couldn't escape the Big MT Facilities. THey were wrong.

[digital copper]

Ok 🤷‍♂️

Just trying to feel out what your deal is and what you actually want to talk about here lol

[keen frigate]

I don't know if you've met the think tank but uh, they're wrong about a lot of things and they ain't right in the brain lol

[whole coral]

Hes not gone. He just went to a better place where he was better understood

[molten oracle]

im talking about game design in regards to places where they dont fit too well, like the east coast. also cazadores dont have guns or suiciders so its hard to engineer a fighting arena for them that isnt just a dps check

[keen frigate]

Yeah, I know. Super mutants are basically the rad versions of raiders that can be put in rad areas

[digital copper]

Didn't you just say they're you hate the idea of them? 😂

[molten oracle]

dont forget the funny blood bags with 1 bloodbug pribiscus

[lofty prairie]

Oh. Well im glad to hear hes not gone

[digital copper]

Okay, cool, we're getting somewhere lol

I too dislike how supermutants have been cheapened and made less unique and interesting over time

[whole coral]

Grahm, Faux, Maul, Tabatha. I believe we are very harsh on Mutants

[keen frigate]

Thanks vault 87

[keen frigate]

What about strong

[whole coral]

Only gone if we forget them bro

[foggy fulcrum]

The thing is I thought it was strange how they didn’t utilize the fact Vault 87 had been spewing Super Mutants since 2078, as a reason why Super Mutants would expand across the East Coast in general rather than new FEV sources.

[whole coral]

T_T I will miss that dumbass.

[molten oracle]

what about marcus

[keen frigate]

He'll be immortal if you just give him the milk of human kindness. Plus I don't really think super mutants die of old age, they just get bigger

[lofty prairie]

Thats very true. I had a friend, he didnt pass or anything but I was in class one day and he has a heart defect attack. It was very scary.

Anyway, sorry for getting off track

[whole coral]

He spoke really well 😄

[rotund dove]

he does! what i mean here is that if you've played Outer Worlds, you can see how corporations are literally just squeezing everything just for their bottom line, which includes casually throwing people's lives at the smell of a 1% profit increase. and with a lot of reveals about ||Vault Tec||, the vector is the same.

[tranquil whale]

I loved realizing that they showed a vault tek number in the show, and realized it was a real number and called it. That was a great experience. Here's if any of yall want to try it. Turn your volume down 213-25-VAULT

[foggy fulcrum]

Nobody gonna comment on this?

[whole coral]

Yeah, life is like that. First you are enjoying your doctor being wrong. Then next you realized he forgot to carry the 1.

[lofty prairie]

Thats exactly right. Thats why we cant take advantage of life, but instead, live life to the fullest

[foggy fulcrum]

That’s… a bit extreme

[tranquil whale]

My first time playing, I would have preferred super mutants. Walked straight into a deathclaw with a 9mm pistol and zero armor or anything and almost said 'screw this'

but then realized that's kinda just how it is. fallout moment

Ahhh fair fair. Did you ever go back to replay?

[foggy fulcrum]

Well I’m a spry 25 Year old so I see your point

[molten oracle]

poor guy got filtered by powerlifting toddlers

[tranquil whale]

LMAO

[whole coral]

Right. He lived his full. And what joy he brought to his family. Always believed that these are not mistakes, just passing through earth before journeying to the next adventure. (Mark Twain)

[tranquil whale]

Ah good good. It's definitely one of my favorite storylines. I just do mod playthroughs now and disregard a lot of the survival stuff so I can't say much

[molten oracle]

the sole survivor was simply built different, he canonically just thugs it out

[tranquil whale]

I remember being young and feeling so bad for liking the brotherhood and the railroad and didn't want to destroy either one, and instantly went to look for a mod that let me spare everyone (Except the institute because, yk)

I do like the light aspects the show is sharing with the games, rather than them making a full show based off one of the titles.

I would have liked FO4 as a movie though, but the show brings in the different aspects well

Thought it was kinda funny that in FO3 you're looking for your dad, in FO4 you're looking for your kid because it was stolen from you, and now lucy is looking for her dad that was taken from her lmao

[whole coral]

I took out father as soon as he entered. Then I realized oops, I can't get Shaun to talk to me. So I shot my way through. Didn't know I was supposed to listen to Father before serving a lead for breakfast

[tranquil whale]

LMAO. I did the ol quicksave and rampage, then load so I can get the full experience

[foggy fulcrum]

Todd I believe stated that after the major success of Fallout 3, he was approached in regards to making an adaptation of the game and later on others like Fallout 4 but he kept rejecting it because they already told those stories and saw no point.

[spiral light]

I think it's better this way they have their own perspective outside the story lines we played through but still takes place in the same world

[tranquil whale]

That's definitely fair, and I do applaud him for that. I think seeing FO4 and all the characters in live action even if it was just a movie would be kinda nice, but again, it was a story already told.

[foggy fulcrum]

He said Jonathan Nolan as a fan approached him with an original story set in the Universe

[whole coral]

Finally you are awake, so get this bro, you have played yourself out of worse parts but this time, we're getting our heads chopped off because that guy over there shouted at a king. Now you may think this is crazy but you have been in prison before. For what? Good question, so if you want to make it out alive, avoid that bee on the road.

[foggy fulcrum]

Which is finally when it happened.

[tranquil whale]

Yeah getting new perspectives on the wasteland is pretty nice. Plus, figuring out the power armor suits are real was actually pretty cool. Think Todd or someone else high on the podium basically came out and said they want to really avoid any CGI and prefer to use practical

[foggy fulcrum]

They used CGI when need be.

[tranquil whale]

Yeah of course, would be hard otherwise, but it was nice to hear they at least try to avoid it when possible

[spiral light]

||tempered lining ||

[tranquil whale]

||tempered lining||

[whole coral]

Here...clean this...
<you obtained Master Chief's Cod Piece>

[tranquil whale]

I was half scared to honestly watch it. I wanted to keep the idea in my mind that the show was good, and didn't follow the Halo scheme of absolutely kinda ruining a series, then I said 'screw it I tried it" and actually liked it

[foggy fulcrum]

That is a thing in the games I believe

[frosty rover]

Based

[spiral light]

||I went with deep pocketed I was like OMG NFW, I though it was really awesome they mentioned the modding||

[frosty rover]

||hope they at least leave New Vegas inhabited, it looks like hell on the final episode||

[tranquil whale]

Carry weight is one of the things I quite dislike in all games, sure it adds to the realism, but jesus I hate inventory management. Having some stupid ring or something that increased it by a few thousand or something was always necessary in my playthroughs

[molten oracle]

in arena im on like the 5th piece of the staff does the game get better or is it just gonna be dungeons with annoying enemies till i beat the wizard

[whole coral]

I never release my mods to the public, but you know the Mysterious Stranger Perk? Well I changed it to a Deathclaw and renamed it RUNNING GAG. Everytime you activate Mysterious Stranger a random deathclaw appears and takes out a few enemies and disappears

[foggy fulcrum]

https://tenor.com/view/ask-surprised-wondering-gif-13983502

[tranquil whale]

I have this one random mod that screws up the entire perk page and renames and redescription-ises everything and its amazing lmao.

[spiral light]

I was just really exited they mentioned a little detail like that in the show, reminded me of when I crafted different armors

[whole coral]

The only problem is that I can't despawn the deathclaw and Valentine keeps chasing it off the map

[molten oracle]

its such a chore to complete

[tranquil whale]

I wonder if they will do any cameos of side characters of the games though. Be kinda hard since it's California VS Boston, but yknow, maybe McCready moved to Cali or something

Also I will say my simple tired-minded brain watching the show at 3am was so psyched when I realized the ghoul ||was the cowboy dude from the beginning||

[molten oracle]

big fan of breaking into someones home and sleeping on their table because i cant find a tavern, real hobo simulator

[tranquil whale]

what game are yall talking about lmao

[molten oracle]

elder scrolls arena

[tranquil whale]

Oooooo.

[molten oracle]

im trying to do them all in cronological order, so arena is just a filter to see if i have what it takes to play the actual good games

[frosty rover]

[spiral light]

2281 new vegas events, 2287 Fallout 4 events, 2296 Tv show events so it would be 15 years after the battle of hoover dam

[frosty rover]

Bro I hope they didnt completely destroy ||New Vegas||

[tranquil whale]

oh that's right I forgot it takes place 10 years later

[frosty rover]

It looks like hell at the end

[molten oracle]

|| watch the end credits on the final episode, its joever||

[frosty rover]

No way all that mess and we just end up with another destroyed city

[tranquil whale]

Wait so i'm confused though; in one scene the airport from FO4 shows up?? Unless it's just a similar airport i'm still quite confused on that

[molten oracle]

canonical yes man ending

[frosty rover]

Yeah, they cant let a single civilized place stand.

Its actually sad we never get to see an actual rebuilt city not living in trash

[foggy fulcrum]

9

[tranquil whale]

close enough

[molten oracle]

hate that the closest thing to actual civilization is the brotherhood squire farm

[tranquil whale]

That was always annoying. I always needed to get some sort of house building mod, the prefabs they give you are terrible

[frosty rover]

No way not a single NCR settlement ||didnt survive after Shady Sands fell, they were still huge in the region, 2nd only to Caesar||

[tranquil whale]

Yeah I can build everything beyond the sun, but not a house that doesn't look like it was put together by feral ghouls with a single hammer among them

[molten oracle]

I enjoy building shanty towns in fo4, simply because i just don't like the aesthetic of pre war in a post war world, and the shanties are very utilitarian, as are all of the power generators and purifiers

[frosty rover]

The fact ||the NCR leader had to just use raiders instead of just using other NCR reinforcements from the hundreds of other settlements shows the lack of any stable structure||

[tranquil whale]

Shanty towns definitely have their place, I enjoy using the movie theater or castle for an entire settlement, but I would still like somewhat nicer-ish things to build. Not like an entire prewar house, but something more survivalistic that still fits in the environment, but isn't two pieces of wood taped together

Hell, even trying to build your own 'house' is a little odd since a lot of the pieces you can use look terrible. Only like 2-3 good floor options, the beds look like straight ass, and the walls are 50/50 if they look right or not if you can even find one without a gaping hole in it

[molten oracle]

the raider like behavior is probably the result of the || mental mess that shady sands being turned into a bowl left on them, like how vault 4 worships that one lady||

[frosty rover]

They did what I feared in the end and reverted straight to ||post war astgetic by destroying all remnents after the war, which while works for one offs like in the Lonesome road, seems foolish to do to the games oldest Fallout faction||

[molten oracle]

probably similar to how the roman empire would have functioned if rome was turned into a pile of ash, im betting all the sorrounding settlements just seceeded into their own city states again

[frosty rover]

They had a fully functioning working military 15 years ago and are in the heart of the territory, seems incredably unlikely ||no other settlement could assist their capital||

Rip. Shady Sands no doubt would have had several cities surrounding it

I dont even like the NCR, but damn, ||they just another raider group here||

[spiral light]

Naw they were trying to rebuild raiders just destroy

[frosty rover]

They had actual integreation of decent folk, Caesar was more about raiders than the NCR

[molten oracle]

the only time they are labeled as raiders is by the vault dwellers who have no real idea what is happening, and probably just assumed that they were raiders.

[frosty rover]

I mean did you see them? They were very uncivilized after the bombs dropped what, 10 years for them?

[molten oracle]

they were wishing for a nuclear winter for a while that does things to a man okay

[frosty rover]

They did not behave like NCR residents

They literally had a college there tho

[molten oracle]

i think the real victim is the brahmin barons, whos gonna buy their overpriced beef now

[frosty rover]

Making them stupid raiders who just ||get poisined to death for acting like animals kinda shows how the show pretty much made them raiders||

[spiral light]

|| How is Moldaver not a ghoul, not frozen in vault 31 and not dead after 200 years ||

[frosty rover]

Space powers?

Cold fussion?

Idk, seems like they should have answered that before ||killing her, cuz who cares after the fact unless it will matter latter||

[molten oracle]

if the ncr had a similar POW doctrine to the us, they may have just been a little gung ho about the "wasting the enemies resources and not giving information" part

[frosty rover]

Bro they just acted like raiders, youd think a single one would act like a soldier or something, they didnt even come with many actual weapons

Id take a single one befriending the brother and frip feeding NCR info

[red forge]

||It's not yet been covered where she was at the time the bomb was dropped||

[frosty rover]

Yeah, just really wished they didnt water down the 1st and biggest Fallout Lore faction to ever exist

All we know about them now is they basically now a ||cult||

[foggy fulcrum]

As much as I love Video Games that doesn’t mean Movies or Shows can’t have depth

[frosty rover]

I disagree, a TV show can explore the endless factions and interconnected word

They gave it over to an accountant, you cant expect a spider to spin gold

The potential is there. You can either get a Knights of the Old Republic or a Golem Game

[spiral light]

||They did show the NCR had an entire town built around the observatory with kids playing in the corn fields not really a raider camp||

[foggy fulcrum]

Aside from the Sequel Trilogy, because I’m not gonna go into this, Star Wars can have depth.

[frosty rover]

KOTOR!!!!

But maling the "one last survivor of order 66" is beyond old

[foggy fulcrum]

Ultimately though it depends on the story you tell that can show a specific level of depth

[frosty rover]

Force Unleashed already exists

[foggy fulcrum]

I’m aware

But Depth comes in many forms

[frosty rover]

||and thats all we got, not the actual culture that the people would have carried on with them, I doubt people living with running water would turn into blood drinking cultists in 10 years, just seems like an insult to how educated and accomplished they were||

[spiral light]

||Season 2 😉 ||

[foggy fulcrum]

I mean… I am gonna say it right now… you may be surprised how far people can fall in such time

[frosty rover]

Which will likely be ||Yes Man or Mr House, best on Yes Man as it looks like hell||

[foggy fulcrum]

Just going off of different media as the Movie the Mist immediately had people going all cult like.

[frosty rover]

Considering you could jist move to the other long settled regions, seems a bit nonsensical.

[foggy fulcrum]

Maybe but how many refugees can you fit?

[frosty rover]

Well most got ||blown up, so not that big of a problem.||

[foggy fulcrum]

Most, yes, not all. Granted we don’t know the whole situation and as it stands considering the world they live in, I am not surprised some turn to such things.

It’s weird yes

But Not the least unrealistic after such a devastating event

[frosty rover]

||Considering how they had working Vertibirds and already had this happen at the Divide, someone should have made some counter measures by now||

But ||if they treat this as everyone gave up and back to raiding, gonna be kinda disgusted thats how they take things||

[foggy fulcrum]

Idk man, we just don’t have all the answers as to everything that happened in particular.

[red forge]

Yeah I feel people are thinking too much into things too soon.

[foggy fulcrum]

Hence I’m just gonna wait till Season 2 and see how that’s addressed

[foggy fulcrum]

It’s nothing new really, some shows on the first season have been known to leave us with questions.

[frosty rover]

Them treating the || NCR like the long dead USA is worrying, just makes it seem like "one nuke and we all back to the start"||

[red forge]

That's all shows really. It seeds the curiosity for future content.

[foggy fulcrum]

Mandalorian didn’t even give all the answers on the 1st Season, we learned more in Season 2 and even 3

[frosty rover]

But if they dont even hint towards a larger civilized faction than just a surviving fragment, just seems like they going with ||NCR is dead||

[frosty rover]

I lost interest in that show fast, hope its not the same

[foggy fulcrum]

I mean if you lost interest, sorry to hear, but we are more talking about how Shows don’t answer everything out the gate for the 1st Season and leave it to future seasons.

[frosty rover]

Never said everything. But your like ||oh the largest government on the West Coast? Yeah all they have left is raiders, and not indicate more, its worrying||

Its all gonna be from Herberts head

He never left the West Coast. Fo3 was a fever dream

Probably best the East coast lore never happened

[foggy fulcrum]

I get that, but I’m willing to wait is all I’m saying, I get the worry however.

[foggy fulcrum]

Thank god it did

[frosty rover]

Meh. Everything of interest was ported from the West Coast

[foggy fulcrum]

I just don’t get the interest of one Coast over the other is all. Because I find it boring to care for One Coast and not the other.

[frosty rover]

Now I hope they have a New Caesars Legion in Season 2. That would be a great antagonist

They can be radical even and make it a woman, just would be fun to see.

[frosty rover]

West Coast had the Intelligent SMs, the Master, Enclave, the Greatest Minds in the world in the Big MT, its all crackin on the West Side.

Also Robert House

[foggy fulcrum]

Good to hear. Just saying I don’t see the appeal of caring of one Coast over the other. I value all Fallout Lore from the West to The East.

[frosty rover]

You could rebuild from just that alone

East Coast kinda just takes from the West.

Deathclaws, Enclave, BoS, SMs, kinda just ported over

[foggy fulcrum]

Not saying it doesn’t but they have done original stuff as well and 76 has only added more original stuff on the East Coast.

[frosty rover]

Bats and Ultracite that FO3 show becomes dust in the end?

[foggy fulcrum]

You won’t find Trogs on the West Coast or Overgrowth, you won’t find Scorched in the West. You won’t find Wendigo’s in the West… see what I mean?

The East Coast has creatures from the West but even The East Coast has made there own original monsters

[frosty rover]

You got cave dwellers, Overgrowth was from the Vegatation Vault in New Vegas, tho Wendigos be new

[foggy fulcrum]

Overgrowth does not necessarily need to be the same as the Spore Vault, they can be similar but still be their own things.

Mole Men are also East Coast

[frosty rover]

Minus the Peashooter ability, I believe anyone can see the influence

[frosty rover]

Got the even more terrifying Ghost Men in the Seirra Madre

[foggy fulcrum]

Influence sure, but I don’t think that means it has to necessarily be a carbon copy either

Just don’t think everything good comes from the West either.

[frosty rover]

Yeah Swamp thing spin sure

[foggy fulcrum]

You talk of wanting more creativity from the East Coast and yet when you get something new in terms of creatures it’s not good enough?

[frosty rover]

I see monsters, just not people who are actual big movers. House, Caesar, Bug MT, Father Elijah, these people thenselves, love em or hate em, can remake the Wastelend. Cant really say the same for East Coast people.

[red forge]

Yeah we're literally only 1 season into the show. Need to ease in the uninitiated... can't overload on content just yet.

[frosty rover]

Considering Fallout is about the people, yeah, Id like more characterization.

Id take a good villian over a new enemy variant

[foggy fulcrum]

Then specify characterization, even then it still disproves that everything good is taken from the West.

[frosty rover]

Being an enemy doesnt make you a good villian

[foggy fulcrum]

We weren’t originally talking about good villains. You just brought up how they bring over the good stuff from the West.

[frosty rover]

Seeing as most have been, Id say West Coast holds the spot for Iconic monsters

[frosty rover]

Yup. I still agree

[foggy fulcrum]

Yeah, and guess what, good for them, but what I dislike is how you treat it as if The East Coast can’t have good looking Monsters

[frosty rover]

Whenever I look up Lore for monsters that interested me, always seems to go back ti tge West

[foggy fulcrum]

I wonder why, seems a bit biased

[frosty rover]

Ehhh. They Ok

[frosty rover]

Just whats iconic bro

[foggy fulcrum]

Oh gee, almost as if the original additions are naturally gonna be iconic over newer additions. Because that’s how nostalgic fans get.

And yes I know from experience that is the thought process of most people in regards to many franchises with long life spans

Sorry if I sound hostile, I just don’t like people watering down what the East Coast has brought in.

[lofty prairie]

Thoughts on the || anti feral drug that was introduced in the show||

[frosty rover]

Makes sense

Ghouls were becoming too OP

[keen flume]

Kinda liked it. If they ever introduce that character race in the game you’d need something else to help you survive since rads aren’t an issue.

[frosty rover]

In the OGs they at least had deterriated joints, yet they can now run at you just fine and are immortal

[foggy fulcrum]

It’s strange in the sense this was never done before, but also could be seen as a recent new creation in Universe

But then again even the Original Fallout Devs weren’t sure on how to handle Ghouls.

It’s definitely one of those things now you could expand upon.

[frosty rover]

Òh one thing that set me off about this skank, ||so she was in love with Lucys mom, yet lets her sleep with a raider and almost has her killed, yet keeps her mother around as a pet?||

[red forge]

It seems ||they tried playing on the idea, but didn't want to go all the way in on it for now, just stoking speculation among the audience||

[frosty rover]

||well shes dead now, so she just seems like a B||

[red forge]

Let's just wait and see how it plays out. Maybe we'll never know truly know. Maybe ||Hank will give his POV next season||

[whole coral]

||I am glad that there is now something to help the ghouls delay the inevitable its not like anyone cared about them Or maybe I could be more wrong than Hornwright||

[whole coral]

||she wasn't a pet, she was evidence without her she wouldn't be able to convince her that her dad is a PoS||

[red forge]

Yeah ||the ghoul was a weird addition to the scene, until the connection of the necklace was made||

[blazing sierra]

I’m so mad at the show bc THIS IS WHAT THE GAMES SHOULD HAVE BEEN. The show was so well done and showed the true brutality that the series of games should have had. Makes me absolutely hate the games even more bc the games are nothing more than low quality buggy cash grabs.

[whole coral]

||I was expecting the Sliding door to crush the raiders head and the body starts to flop around. ||

[blazing sierra]

That would have been pretty dope. Here’s to hoping the fallout devs take note and actually make something good. But alas it’s Bethesda

[foggy fulcrum]

Yet your here in a Bethesda Discord

[blazing sierra]

Yeah. Love the fallout lore. Still will play just not going to pay for it

[frosty rover]

||Well then it makes less sense that she has the raider set up as the Husband kill her||

[foggy fulcrum]

That doesn’t make any sense, you are going to play but not pay for it?

[blazing sierra]

Yeah? There are plenty of ways. They give the game out for free in game pass. Never had to pay to play a fallout game. The only ones I ever payed for was New Vegas and all the OG ones.

[foggy fulcrum]

Okay because for a minute it just sounded like you wouldn’t pay for it even if they were legitimately fun games to play. Gamepass aside.

I thought Pirating for a moment

[blazing sierra]

I mean. I don’t play 4 bc it’s not fun. 76 was a insteresting concept but stoped playing bc same issues 4 had. Only fallout game I actually play was new Vegas. Now I’m here just to keep an eye out for news. So yeah. If they made a game that was actually fun I’d play it. Ofc I’d pay if I wanted to and enjoyed it. But I really could care less for the people who do pirate it bc it’s not my problem

[foggy fulcrum]

And Fallout 3?

[whole coral]

Yo Ho Fiddle Dee Dee, download a pirate because a Pirate is a free, be alone with your dirty copy, you are a pirate 😄

[red forge]

What's your definition of "fun" ?

[blazing sierra]

My definition is my definition. There are PLENTY of games I find enjoyable and I play them. I enjoy the fallout lore, I enjoy the concept of it. Just simply do not like the gameplay mechanics and how they chose to basically make the game into a softer version of what it was. Plenty of mods for new Vegas and 3 to keep the game alive and enjoyable

[whole coral]

https://tenor.com/view/robbie-rotten-stefan-karl-lazy-town-pirate-parrot-gif-12378184

[blazing sierra]

It was ok. Wasn’t bad but also wasn’t amazing in my personal opinion

[simple epoch]

well done. a very good tv series

[red forge]

Ok so you don't like the settlement building mechanics? Just curious on getting an idea of something tangible that you like doing.

[foggy fulcrum]

I mean the games are already graphic just from the gore alone, the thing is though the TV show just had more freedom in a way the games don’t.

[blazing sierra]

I enjoy the settlement building mechanics just wish it was executed more well. It’s too buggy and relies on mods to work more fluid. For what I find enjoyable in a game is fluid movement and combat. Fallout for me is just too idk. It dose not flow in my opinion which is fine. Plenty of people enjoy it and there are mods that change animations to what I like in combat.

[foggy fulcrum]

No Fallout game even had nudity

[foggy fulcrum]

The Show did, never the games.

[foggy fulcrum]

Telling a better story is definitely needed yeah, but I will say there is one thing I think that doesn’t help and it’s the stiffness of the character animations if that makes sense?

[blazing sierra]

I mean. The gore in the game was ok for it’s time. But I have seen what is possible through mods and felt that THAT should have been the standards and that Beth relies on old systems. Lazy in my opinion but idk what goes on behind the curtain nor do I care to. I’m happy with the master piece obsidian gave us.

[red forge]

I agree with that the settlement mechanics are not good enough without mods. The AI sucks and I hate how Preston had to keep sending me to yet another settlement under attack that I already prepped for self-maintenance.

[blazing sierra]

YES THATS WHt I’m saying. It’s so stiff and action figure like. The combat is just swing in one way.

[whole coral]

I love when things swing both ways lol

[blazing sierra]

I agree. In a non pervy way. The game was lacking that and it kinda did affect the immersion but I understand why it wasn’t in the game.

[blazing sierra]

Same. I wish fallout had more fluid combat like other games but then again fallout always did neglect the melee aspect

[foggy fulcrum]

It’s their Creation Engine which I still believe Isn’t necessary anymore, I get it allowed certain things like clutter and placing items in specific ways but I seriously don’t think anybody really cares about that so much.

[foggy fulcrum]

I get it’s familiar to work with but the Engine is not doing them favors anymore at this point

[whole coral]

Maybe they didn't want people to relate the game to Elder Scrolls. I mean its already close to magic in fo4 and in fo76 the mutations are pretty much close to Magical abiltiies

[blazing sierra]

Absolutely. They need to do a total revamp on that. It’s outdated, buggy, and all in all just trash. That’s the main reason I never play fallout 4 or 76 anymore and the main reason I refuse to pay

[foggy fulcrum]

I mean I wouldn’t say it’s Trash during those times, but it’s just not something that should be used anymore past the PS4 and XBOX One Generation. It was already showing it’s age at that point.

[blazing sierra]

True which is sad bc the Fallout world and Elder world are 10000% distinct and different. Elder is fantasy and a heroic tale that is set out for you. Fallout is a brutal and dirty wasteland where you carve your own fate into your own hands and have to fight tooth and nail to even survive the day.

[red forge]

I played a fair bit of 76 arguably for free because I had gamepass. I only bought it through Steam eventually because gameplay via Microsoft store was garbage.

[blazing sierra]

For it’s time it worked. But for today and tomorrow. We need something. New

[blazing sierra]

Don’t even get me started on Microsoft lol.

[whole coral]

Microshaft kills more Studios than a Landlord with a sledgehammer.

[blazing sierra]

Not as much as me pressing ever shiny button at a military base bc I wanted the buttons to make a Christmas tree

[foggy fulcrum]

The issue is how people said Fallout 3 felt like Oblivion with Guns, which is telling of how the engine is to similar to one another that it feels less like it’s own gameplay style and more like a reused gameplay style.

And honestly the same problem was present with Starfield where people said it felt like Fallout 4 in Space

Which again shows that they are not different enough because the Engine is making things feel to familiar in a gameplay sense to feel any different.

[whole coral]

O uO ever noticed that sequel, you are getting closer and closer to death?
Morrowind: Just got off the boat
Oblivion: In Prison
Skyrim: Executed for Death
ESO: You're dead. 😄

[foggy fulcrum]

Didn’t notice that but that is ironic

[whole coral]

New Elder Scrolls has you just roaming around Tameriel as a rolling head looking for its body.

[foggy fulcrum]

I think tho the Creation Engine is just to much of a hassle now, and not getting rid of it will only stifle future games mechanically.

[whole coral]

first quest. Collect Nirnroot (0/10)

[foggy fulcrum]

Forgot this was the TV Channel

[whole coral]

Sorry about that. my adhd kicks in

[whole coral]

Its those kind of quests i like. The Option to be silly as possible like Putting a sandbag on a action waiter. or Telling someone that their armor is making funny noises.

Or in the TV somebody comes out of a fridge like indiana jones

[brisk hawk]

Tell me you don't know how game engines work without telling me you don't know how game engines work. Creation is the only engine I know of that allows for the levels of interactivity Bethesda's games are known for.

And don't even try to say that Unreal could be a better choice moving forward.

[red forge]

Let's just go back to talking about the show 🤣

[weak rivet]

So I loved the show. So much so I rebinged it the next day with my SO. My only issue is that as long as the idea and motives of the companies stayed in a video game, real people willing to do something like that wouldn't see it. Now that it's one of the biggest shows in the world I worry people with means to do stuff like Vault Tec will do so. Just missing ||cold fusion and cryo tech||

Some how if it happened in real life, our lack of tech would just make the fallout waaaaaay worse than the show I'd wager.

The Nolans have a history of using future tech to essentially give ideas to companies and governments to mess with us. Lol. Batman and his use of all the cell phone mics to find Joker ring a bell? Lol

[red forge]

Life imitating art... which in turn is often based on life hypothetical concepts.

[weak rivet]

@red forge Exactly. And dont think there aren't people out there who saw the show and started crunching numbers. Lol

[foggy fulcrum]

“Insert standard phrase” And what has that engine cost at this point?

What is the point when the gameplay ultimately is rather stiff? And The AI is messing up? What is the point when you are in loading screen the game that is Starfield? That thing is bursting at the seams and you know it.

I say this as a big fan of Bethesda but what is that engine worth at this point? What is that level of interactivity gonna do to help?

[red forge]

Can you take it to another room? That argument has gone beyond the show at this point.

[sterile torrent]

Please keep it on topic of the series in this channel. Also, I finished it, loved it.

[true badge]

I’ve just finished episode 4 and have loved it since the first episode 😄 Love the moment though in episode 3 where ||at the end when he’s lassoed Lucy and wanders off saying about getting sidetracked in the wasteland haha, lovely nod to how the fallout games tend to work…’what main storyline, im doing my 50th side quest thank you!|| 😄

[sterile torrent]

I laughed during that too!

I watched it with my brother, where as i never played fallout, he is a super fan, so he pointed things out to me that were in both the games and the show

[spiral light]

|| I liked that scene where he hacks the overseers computer I was thinking man you got 3 attempts before your locked out ||

[true badge]

I still have 5-8 to go, but based on 1-4, I bet amazon are kicking themselves now they didnt go for a 24 episode season haha

[sterile torrent]

One of the things that impressed me most is the fact that they set up alot of mystery and then answered all of the questions! I hate shows that set something up but do not tell you what happened until next season

[true badge]

They’ve done a kraken job of including stuff from the games, and kept most of them to the aesthetic design too.

Thankyou for correcting that i to a y…..lmao

[sterile torrent]

You saw nothing 😛

[spiral light]

the little details were a lot of fun to see

[true badge]

I see everything’s……I used to proof read for an advertising company haha. I dont always type it write on my ipad though myself, mainly because ipad goes ‘nope, changing that to something random or you using autocorrect’….lol

As you can see by write, should be right…lmao

[sterile torrent]

I am used to chatting with friends when typos do not matter, but of course I need to be more careful at work.

[spiral light]

|| I think when he mentioned the tempered lining everyone was like wait my lining is better than the tempered one ||

[true badge]

I dont care about typos in casual chat either, bur yes, when you are working and doing it, you have to ensure not saying something wrong or naughty by accident lol

I used to mod the UK largest AV forum, handled 3 very busy and very contentious sections, TV’s, Amps and Subwoofers….lol….oh the fur could fly if you typed something wrong

Anyhoo, Fallout TV Series is their anti-rings of power, they have recanted from stupidity and made a beautiful bouncy baby TV show…..may it live to a ripe old age and give us its love for a long time 😄

[sterile torrent]

I will be super upset if there is no season 2. It was so good

[spiral light]

There has to be || 15 years after the battle of hoover dam. I'm hoping they do some call backs to the couriers desicions ||

[true badge]

Oh I’d say a second season is a safe bet. Hopefully 20 tbh, but I’d settle for 8 or 9 series

I think they would be better off not doing spin offs though, but just refresh the cast and story every 3 seasons roughly, but look to bring crossovers in occasionally with previous characters

[tardy shoal]

booted up 76 this morning, and made me realize, the show really missed a lot of important elements from this game. Like where tf is ||[Disconnected from Server]|| or ||Vendor does not have enough Gold Bullion||??
Seeting and malding.

[foggy fulcrum]

Heh

[covert flax]

Thought S2 was confirmed already no?

[red forge]

Well that's the notion, but everything in google is just clickbait.

[tardy shoal]

nah not confirmed

There were some tax forms or smth that showed production is moving from NY to CA but that’s not confirmation and could even be completely unrelated

[sterile torrent]

I hope it is cause it was so good. I have to say, I want to play the game now just to see what crazy vault experiments there were.

[novel plank]

It would have had the same budget and been roughly only 1/3rd of the quality as a result. Budgets are mostly seasonal, not episodic.

[red forge]

Well for movie-length episodes, an 8 episode season feels enough.

[jovial stone]

ok so i feel like the timeline involving sands getting nuke can be fixed by saying the people in vault 4 accidently got the time wrong and have been telling the events incorrectly

or they can simply do a small retcon and tell the events of new vegas before the nuking like the events of new vegas will be the same however it will simply be at a different time

[digital copper]

be harder to explain how Shady Sands has been shifted 150 miles south into the LA ruins :P

still hung up on that because like. Adytum was right there, you could have used that for your "big NCR city in LA we blow up", Amazon/Bethesda 🤷‍♂️

[jovial stone]

simple just say thats not the real shady sands

[digital copper]

hard to do that when they walk in front of the welcome sign saying that it literally is, with the founding date and the boast that it's the nation's capital, just like the one in FO2, where it was near Mt. Whitney 😂

[jovial stone]

its fallout

random things can happen

[digital copper]

just seems like a massive stretch requiring either a bunch of really blatant and severe retcons or a bunch of absolutely wild and borderline nonsensical lore like "they built a fake copy of their capital city for some reason" -- all issues which, again, they could have avoided by just nuking Adytum instead 🤷‍♂️

[jovial stone]

nonsensical lore , they built a giant robot as a weapon to use in a war

[foggy fulcrum]

Forest I don’t think that’s the point

[digital copper]

you can't seriously tell me that the old world government building a large robot is more nonsensical than the NCR capital growing legs and moving south or their government building an exact duplicate of it somewhere else for seemingly no reason, which all of their surviving citizens treat as though it's the real thing 😂

[jovial stone]

actually i think i might have an idea what if the town really was adytum , and the sign was covering the real sign of the town

seams like a more plausable idea

[digital copper]

ehhh, except who would put the sign up and why, and then why would all the survivors of the bombing continue to insist that it's Shady Sands for over a decade afterwards?

[jovial stone]

the ncr , never underestimate the power of manipulation when the enclave exist plus considering how the ncr in newvegas are ,this would not be a suprising move

[digital copper]

manipulation for what purpose though? what goal does this accomplish and who does it benefit? how and why would they trick their own citizens into thinking the capital is and always has been in a different place than it was before?

[foggy fulcrum]

Forest your reaching

[digital copper]

Part of me feels like the story was written either with the pitch Shady Sands being nuked and then they moved the setting to LA and forgot to change it to Adytum, or with the pitch of Adytum being nuked and somebody higher up mandated they change it to Shady Sands late in production so it would have "more emotional impact" or whatever, and they didn't have the time or budget to alter the script to match beyond find-replacing Adytum with Shady Sands

Latter seems more likely to me, tbh

[jovial stone]

well lets just go with the other option

[slow dragon]

i feel like the easy answer is “they moved it for the convenience of the show’s plot”

[boreal plaza]

I liked how the ghoul was more of an
independent character doing its own thing

[digital copper]

I mean that's true but it's my least favorite answer and I think one that I'd be justified in complaining about lol. Especially when they had plenty of alternate options available to do effectively the same plot without retconning something major like this, just by changing one minor thing in the script lol

[brazen radish]

I like the concept of having the vaults interconnected underground, especially if thats the experiment they were running with

[slow dragon]

you can complain about whatever you want, and have done an marvelous job in doing so thus far based on every post i’ve seen from you the past few days lmao. none of us can say for certain but sometimes the simplest answer is the correct one. i truly do not understand the purpose in railing against a decision that’s already been made and canonized, retcon or not, but it’s legitimately cool you’re so passionate about the lore. do you boo

[digital copper]

no need to be condescending bruv

[slow dragon]

this is the single funniest thing i’ve seen you say

[jovial stone]

the main problem is like in my eyes the fallout fan base is kinda divided

im pretty a majority of them dont mind small retcons that dont effect the games actual lore or events

[digital copper]

See, this is what I mean when I talk about how it's a two way street with the hate on this show. Been saying a lot in plenty of spaces that I like a lot of what it does for the first 5 episodes. That it does really great at capturing the series' vibes and that I like it.

But I got complaints, because it's not entirely to my taste. And I try to talk about those complaints in the Fallout spaces I hang out in, most of which I hang out in specifically to get away from the toxicity and constant bashing of Bethesda's offerings for the series that permeates so many other spaces, because despite what you may think I actually generally like 3/4/76, just not as much as I like NV and the classics

And then I come in and try to express my disappointment, explain my reasoning, try to get a discussion going on how these decisions will impact the series going forward and how I'd prefer if it changed course from where it seems to be heading, discuss things like adults and not be bogged down in the BS.

Will cop that I did get bogged down in it at a few points early on, as a gut reaction while binging the series (probably would have been less polarizing if they dropped it one bit at a time so people had time to digest the unambiguously good parts before getting to the divisive ones :P). But I've been trying to do better in the days since

And yet every time I open my mouth in this channel on this server I feel like I'm getting laughed at for caring about these things at all and not just gushing endlessly about what the series does right. "Aw, it's cute that you're this weirdly obsessed with details that don't matter. I don't care what you have to say at all because it's a silly thing to care about but you do you, lil guy." That or implicitly lumped in with the toxic crowd as an NV elitist and "hater." It's extremely frustrating and turns me off from wanting to engage here.

[jovial stone]

the problem is that when you leave major events that actually are intentional to the lore or are major players unexplained

like you dont have to get the detail of every part of new vegas down to the exact point you just have to atleast get the major parts of the lore correctly

[slow dragon]

don’t know which part of what i said led you to believe it was insincere but 🤷🏻‍♂️

i do think it’s cool people are that passionate about the lore. it just struck me as ironic that you’d write me off as condescending when i consistently see you hit people with 😂 because it is very difficult to interpret that any way OTHER than patronizing. your posts do not give me the impression that you want to have a discussion but rather that you want people to agree with you and acknowledge how correct you are. i don’t particularly care about where you do and don’t choose to engage.

[jovial stone]

like all they need to do is state that the events of new vegas are canon its just that happened in a different time

[digital copper]

I generally use 😂 as a genuine indication that I'm having a good time with the conversation

[jovial stone]

basically atleast respect newvegas

[frosty rover]

It seems they going for the ||all new civilizations got destroyed route, which kinda sucks||

[gusty smelt]

Gotta say after the disapointment of 76 and starfield, the show has been a pleasant surprise, but to anyone that thought bethesda wouldn't screw up it's own timeline I refer you to the power armor bs of fallout 4 or just about everything in 76. Time and time again they show how quickly they'll sacrifice lore for convenience

[jovial stone]

eh the power armor in 4 didnt really matter alot

those arent really relivant those are small retcons that dont have an effect on the story

[digital copper]

As for the rest, shame I'm coming across that way but arguing and trying to get to the heart of things isn't an attempt on my part to "make people agree with me" or "acknowledge how correct I am."

I'm trying to start a discussion and get insights from other perspectives, hopefully from people as well-versed on the details of things as I am. If people aren't well-versed on details I want to try and help them get well-versed so they can make come to an informed opinion about the relationship between the show and what came before it

If I'm gonna be honest with my feelings here I feel like a lot of the arguments I've seen people in this chat make against my points have either been as simple (and IMO rude) as "stop caring so much lol" or, when they're engaging seriously, have some flaws rooted in misconceptions or misunderstandings due to not being as familiar with the games as me or the finer details of them -- not knocking on people, I'm just an obsessive detail-oriented weirdo with too much free time (self-deprecating :P).

So when I try to start a discussion on something about the show and someone raises a counterpoint based in a belief or understanding that's like... factually incorrect on some level or missing important context, of course I'm going to correct them, I'm trying to have an informed debate

I'm out here sincerely hoping to find a debate with someone who is as much of a lore junkie as me and likes the show's decisions so that I can hopefully come away with a better appreciation for it, but most of what I get is fellow lore junkies who are being way too harsh and toxic and fans of the show who... don't really know what they're talking about sometimes and don't particularly care that they don't.

Which is fine, I'm sincerely not knocking anyone for not being as weirdly obsessively passionate about the lore as me, but it's frustrating that I seem to be the odd one out no matter where I try to talk about this 😔

[gusty smelt]

@jovial stone not looking to debate a retcon, and if it didn't matter to you than that's just a testament to what the fan base is becoming. Complacent to lazy writing

[sterile torrent]

Let's keep it polite. Everyone has opinions and debating topics or ideas is fun, but remember to remain respectful of each other.

[gusty plank]

How good is the show, I wanna know before I potentially get prime to watch it

[digital copper]

In spite of everything I recommend it based on the first 5 episodes alone. The way they perfectly adapt the vibes of 1/3/4 and effortlessly translate the experience of playing them into a linear TV narrative fully outweighs my extensive complaints about the handling of existing lore in the final 3 episodes when it comes to the matter of reccommending the show or not

[sterile torrent]

OK I binge watched it, and it was really really good. But, I do not play fallout, so any discrepancies from the lore of the game or times lines did not effect me at all. Purely for entertainment, it was fantastic.

[lofty prairie]

I really like the first 5? episodes but the last 3 episodes i felt kind of dipped in certain parts. I really would appreciate more serious in the last episodes and get to the point.

[gusty smelt]

Same here, despite the timeline issue the show was a breathe of fresh air

[spiral light]

If you played the fallout games there are lots of fun references, my friends that never played fallout liked it too.

[sterile torrent]

If you compare it to a lot of other games turned series, it was a huge improvement.,

[lofty prairie]

I really love what i saw, i did like the reveal of the Dad and the Bombs drop reveal but I didnt like the NCR vs Brotherhood battle.

The Vault storyline actually was the strongest AND Howard Cooper's story in that 2nd half

[sterile torrent]

I think one of my favorite things about it, it kept me invested through the whole show. There was never a point when I said, "ok ill just pick this up tomorrow" I wanted to keep watching till it was done.

[digital copper]

Funny enough a lot of people compare this show favorably to the Halo series, but... I liked the Halo series a lot more and had significantly less problems with it 😂

Probably because all the massive liberties they took with characters and stories had the blow softened by them explicitly being stated to be a non-canon alternate timeline in the leadup to release

[gusty smelt]

Plus to fans of the series it gives some cool lore to characters you dont expect, like dog dogmeat

[gusty plank]

Sounds like I should watch it

[sterile torrent]

really? lol, I did not like the halo series at all. I think arcane was the last game turned series I really liked, although it was animated.

[sterile torrent]

You really should, A lot of bad shows have come out the last few years so having one that sucked me in this much was really nice.

[lofty prairie]

The NCR just being nuked i felt kind of a cut out. Yk the battle of the NCR and Brotherhood felt oddly lackluster in terms of a real final battle. Even the Halo Show with the Fall of Reach i felt i got more screen time in terms of action and that was.. not good.

[digital copper]

Like I said, it being explicitly non-canon let me detach myself from my expectations and enjoy it on its own merits. Hated the Makee stuff in the first season and still iffy on it in the second, but overall my stance on the first season was a solid "meh" and my stance on the second was "YEAH! GREAT! MORE OF THIS!"

[lofty prairie]

like tbe first 4 episodes all felt like 8.5/10 but at the end dipped to like a 7 and was carried due to eastereggs and callbacks

[digital copper]

Whereas here, the repeated insistence that this is a canon continuation of New Vegas's story has me scrutinizing it a lot more since like... I had my own expectations and hopes for how that would get followed up, and this is dashing those hopes against the rocks while also having a lot of werid retcons like Shady Sands' location :P

[sterile torrent]

I had a duel experience when watching it. I have never played a fallout game, but I watched the series with my older brother who has played every game and is a huge fan. So it sparked a lot of fun debate on things.

[gusty smelt]

Lol with edgerunner and arcane killing it, I'm surprised this came out as live action

[digital copper]

Edgerunner was so tight omfg ❤️

[lofty prairie]

we need more explanation. Season 1 is obv tryna do some world building but the ending just leaves so many questions that dont leave good taste for me

and waiting 2 years for another season to fix those questions kinda sucks

[sterile torrent]

really? I thought it answered all the questions I had as the show went along. What was left unsolved for you?

[digital copper]

I'll say again, back on topic, that a lot of my issues with the Fallout show would, in hindsight, have been way less severe if they just ||nuked Adytum instead||, and I'm kinda convinced that they intended to but were told to change it at the last minute

[spiral light]

Maybe spring 2025, filming is supposed to start again in September

[gusty smelt]

"Waiting 2 years for another season" welcome to club, now look up how long we've been waiting for another game, 76 doesn't count XD

[lofty prairie]

The NCR, Why do the brotherhood have an aircraft and why do they have a presence here. Why did it take so long for the idea of "Cold Fusion" to finally reveal itself and how is Maldover still alive 200 years later.

Like sure New Vegas kept the platinum chip a secret but that was a major motivation to uncover but throughout the show everyone wants this head and we dont get any deeper investigation what it might be.

[sterile torrent]

I did have the same question about Maldover!

[lofty prairie]

i dont think i have an issue about Vault Tec dropping some bombs. I think its a cool idea but also kinda odd because money isnt worth anything in the future rlly if everyones kinda dead

idk like capitalizing on the end of the world is a neat idea. I just needed more reasoning besides an ultimate monopoly

[kindred glacier]

They didn't do it for the money, they did it to remake society in their image, under their control

Why bother having all the money in the world when you could instead have the world itself

[sterile torrent]

It was not monopoly on money, they wanted monopoly on life

[spiral light]

but what if we offer you an attractive spouse and a comfortable role in management

[lofty prairie]

i change my mind 😂

[sterile torrent]

No dodging the filter!

[lofty prairie]

mb!

[digital copper]

(sorry, I know the convo moved on from this but I'd already started writing a bunch, feel free to ignore :P)

Having it be Adytum would have meant almost no retcons were necessary and would have left the door open for the NCR to come back strong if fans didn't react well to them getting kicked in the pants. Turning LA anarchic and apocalyptic without stepping on the toes of NV and its fans too hard.

Assuming that I'm right and it was a last minute change I'd hedge my bets on it being an Amazon exec who's out of touch with the franchise and its fandom having some galaxy brain take right as they're about to start filming about how ||Shady Sands being the nuked city|| would be more impactful and satisfying, and them not really having a choice but to go along with it despite being deep enough in production that they couldn't revise the parts of the script saying ||the nuked city is in LA|| without delaying and rewriting half the show

I don't blame Todd or any of the showrunners for this, tbh; I'm as far removed from one of those "THEY HATE NEW VEGAS!!1!1!!" types as you can get. I'm sure they did the best they could with the time they were given, with the best o intentions

[lofty prairie]

But yea so my weakest part of the show for me was just the NCR and BOS battle. The Vault stuff and Dad reveal actually got me mouth dropping so i like that

I really think there should have been like idk, NCR Rangers or something and this colossal battle between these 2 power factions that obviously lost their peak years ago.

a lot of the NCR soldiers were wearing airsoft gear i bought off amazon *ha but besides that like it be cool to showcase some Fallout weapons or smthn

[sterile torrent]

At the risk of calling myself out as the unknowledgeable one here, The city it showed at the end is ||New Vegas|| right?

[lofty prairie]

ye

[digital copper]

Yup!

It also looks in worse shape than it was in during the events of the game which ain't a great sign

[spiral light]

|| I don't think that was the full brunt of the NCR it seemed like a small faction town of her followers ||

[lofty prairie]

still i just felt like for a final episode, i'd want more height if that makes sense

like yea ||The Ghoul firing on weakspots etc. at power armor|| is so good but like thats my only takeaway in that whole fight

[sterile torrent]

I do have a question for you guys though, So what sparked a lot of interest for me was finding out about the vaults. What are some interesting vaults you would like to see in the show?

[lofty prairie]

I wish they went to Vault 13 or 15 as callbacks. I was kinda disappointed we didnt see any Fallout 2 locations that are iconic. Even just name drops and the LA boneyard

[jovial stone]

just confirm that new vegas is canon

[digital copper]

... fighting the urge to talk about how I don't like what they did to Vault-Tec lore either 😂

[kindred glacier]

They did. It is canon

[gusty plank]

Does that mean yes-man is canon

[lofty prairie]

like is the || Enclave Scientist from Navarro? It was taken over by the NCR years ago. ||

[sterile torrent]

Your talking to someone who hasn't played fallout, what was in 13 and 15?

[lofty prairie]

vault 13 was fallout 1 where the Vault dweller u play as was from

[digital copper]

Yeah, that was another thing that was weird to me about it being Shady Sands and made me think it was a last-minute rewrite from it being Adytum! Shady Sands' original inhabitants were Vault Dwellers, from Vault 15, which was in the desert not far from there!

[jovial stone]

just do this and people will be happy

[spiral light]

https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/List_of_known_Vaults

[lofty prairie]

@sterile torrent The NCR are residents from Vault 15, their original home. Both vaults abandoned and became either Shady Sands (NCR) or Vault City (Vault 13)

[gusty smelt]

If new vegas is considered , there's a chance pres kimble is killed around the same time, if that happens then combined with shady sands getting nuked it would cripple the faction

[spiral light]

There are so many vaults we still haven't seen I'd like to see new vault experiments

[kindred glacier]

The show takes place 15 years after new Vegas. There is no issue with the time

[spiral light]

I'm hoping they make some call backs to the couriers desicions like maybe house already has the chip

[digital copper]

Vault 13 was where you were from in Fallout 1, there was no real experiment in it. Your water chip broke down and you had to venture out into the wastes to find a replacement.

Vault 15 was your first destination on the journey to find one, and in the process of going there you ran into the desert village of Shady Sands, out east of your Vault in Mt. Whitney. They were inhabitants of Vault 15 who left after a schism and were in conflict with a group of raiders who were exiled from Vault 15 generations ago.

After finding V15 in ruins you'd head progressively further south, checking out Bakersfield and Barstow and other desert villages, before making your way to LA for the endgame

[kindred glacier]

Shady sands got nuked when maximus and Lucy were kids, and they're young adults now. 15 years is just about right for the nuking to happen right after the events of new Vegas

[lofty prairie]

I still need an explanation why Shady Sands is in Los Angeles. It clearly is since i live in California and the Observatory is next to LA

[spiral light]

Everything is like " across the wasteland " could be who knows how far

[gusty smelt]

@kindred glacier the show says the nuke went off in 2277, check your timeline

[digital copper]

Like I've said, my personal theory is that it was supposed to be Adytum for most of pre-production but somebody mandated it change to Shady Sands really late in the game when they didn't have time for the rewrites necessary to keep it lore-friendly

[kindred glacier]

I can only imagine why they'd put the capital of the New California Republic near Los Angeles, California 🤔

[lofty prairie]

i mean the capital of California isnt LA if thats what ur saying

[spiral light]

but in the future ...

[gusty smelt]

Lol

[digital copper]

Missing the point of his question lol. He's asking why they retconned it, since Shady Sands was firmly and canonically far away from LA prior to this 😂

[lofty prairie]

U would say its LA because LA is just iconic and thats kinda it so i can let that slide sure

[spiral light]

maybe its LA adjacent

[kindred glacier]

The titlecard at the start of the show puts the show at 2296. 15 years would be 2281, so vault 4 is probably just wrong

[lofty prairie]

but Sacramento is the capital of California in real life so if you wanna be technical. A New California faction probably would use the original capital since they are parodying off of real life democracy pre-war

thats all im saying

[spiral light]

nonsense in the future we make our own capitals

[lofty prairie]

Everyone hates California anyway 😎

[sterile torrent]

I feel bad for those rich people who payed for a place in the vault but ended up in a bad one

[plush quest]

Is it possible they just moved Shady Sands? Like old Shady Sands couldn’t keep up with the growth so they relocated to LA but kept the name so they don’t have to make new posters?

[spiral light]

@lofty prairie You think the republic of Dave was there before the war ? I think not

[lofty prairie]

do you really mean that 😎

[lofty prairie]

Yes

[sterile torrent]

[digital copper]

NCR did make their own capital, lol. Shady Sands was put where it was in the classics for a reason (writing-wise). Symbolic of them rebuilding from the ground up and not necessarily being a 1:1 repeat of America, by having the capital of their new nation literally grow from some freshly-build adobe hovels in the desert, far from Old World ruins, into a thriving farming/ranching community and then a bustling trade city with enough influence to found a nation

[spiral light]

like if they blow up 90% of some place they build something 50 miles nearby and its "New Sacramento"

[lofty prairie]

u know how far away sacramento is

[gusty smelt]

@kindred glacier I dont mind trying to make it fit (and I want it to work)but every other date on the board is accurate, so unless people forgot how time works I'm pretty sure the dates are atleast close to accurate. New vegas is set in 2281, off by more than 4 years seems like a stretch

[spiral light]

if they blew up 90% of it, then New Sacremento will be somewhere outside the radiation zone in no specific direction

[plush quest]

||the story of Lucy’s mom dying in the blight famine of 2277 seems to imply that’s when Shady Sands got destroyed||

[lofty prairie]

||Since the Brotherhood destroyed the gold reserves? Hank destroyed the capital. And now theres a Famine, Yea the NCR was kinda pointed to falling off ||

Plus the fact in lonesome road you can cut the NCR off.

But its odd with the dates

[broken crag]

A reminder to mark spoilers please

[gusty smelt]

Plus they extended too far into the Mojave spreading too thin

[spiral light]

but it's been 15 years since we had boots on the ground in New Vegas anything could have happened

[gusty smelt]

Oh the speculation XD

[lofty prairie]

heres my take

|| The House ending is canon because I feel like thats gonna be the main antagonist because it wouldnt make sense why hank would need to arrive there if Vegas is taken over by Legion occupation or the Courier.||

[spiral light]

Im just saying when I was in the Mojave it was in 2281

[tepid stirrup]

I don’t think we should be considering the ||residents of vault 4 in the massive weird cult ||to be the most reliable narrators. Just saying.

[sterile torrent]

||the reactions to the one eye cracked me up so much||

[lofty prairie]

but then we'd have to argue, whats the point of them besides a giggle side quest

[gusty smelt]

@tepid stirrup I'm with you on that but again I say every other date on the board is accurate

It's a hard argument

[tepid stirrup]

To heal the characters up and rest before the next chapter. lol.

[spiral light]

Ya but we don't know what the courier chose in this timeline

[lofty prairie]

there could be many ways imo to do this and one of the things i criticize the show for is having too much goof in the final episodes when it should have been more serious while the comedy was at the start.

[tepid stirrup]

I love the goof so idk what you are talking about lol

[lofty prairie]

thats fine

[gusty smelt]

Does anyone else wanna see cooper Howard meet Raul, they would compliment each others style so well

[lofty prairie]

But i felt like the reason the storyline with Maximus and Lucy was goofy at || The Trap|| was so the Vault and Cooper Howard storylines could be more serious. Which to me doesnt work, i'd want all of these stories to be constantly rising in tension together.

[molten ridge]

||is the NCR dissolved?||

[gusty smelt]

So if shady sands blew in 2277, and Lucy remembers seeing it as a kid, would that put Lucy as close to 30 years old?

[molten ridge]

I think so

[tepid stirrup]

It didn’t blow in 2277. We gotta open the school and teach number lines again 😩

[digital copper]

She says she recalls her mother dying in the plague of '77 though, I seem to remember?

[tepid stirrup]

She also thought the real sun was in their vault. Kids memories are insanely susceptible to manipulation.

[digital copper]

Still, forgetting when you were born and when your mother died are a lot

[tepid stirrup]

I don’t have any solid memories before the age of like 9/10.

[digital copper]

Actually, wait, she didn't think it was the real sun|| it was the real sun because she was living in Shady Sands with her mother! That was like half the twist in the final episode I thought!||

[tepid stirrup]

Yes… I’m aware. I’ve watched the show 3.5 times.

[sterile torrent]

spoilers people!

[gusty smelt]

Lol love the argument that the nuke shows after the downfall, but shows no date. Leaving us to speculate, it's not that simple to think the gap represents a 4 year span considering that timelines that include multiple year wars show the year of start and end, this one shows 1 year (2277) meaning began and ended

Dont get me wrong though I hope they elaborate and tell more, making me wrong in my speculation

[molten ridge]

can someone answer this plz

[gusty smelt]

Mostly

[molten ridge]

k

[gusty smelt]

Remnants still exist

[molten ridge]

something like the enclave

[gusty smelt]

Yup

Bos might be the strongest by default right now,

[minor lark]

I think it's interesting we don't hear about other NCR nation states. The BOS may be regional stronger, but I wonder who the big dogs of California are. What the Shi are up to and whatnot.

[gusty smelt]

The elder in charge shows signs of father Elijah though, so questionable in morality

[molten ridge]

Wait, Was the BoS ship the Prydwen or is it just a similar model?

[gusty smelt]

Similar

[minor lark]

It has writing on the side that makes it seem like it's the Prydwen

||And the fact the escapee left the commonwealth.||

Also note that the ghoul's grave was outside of California as the dude that dug him up says back home.

I feel like a lot of scenes happened all over the nation.

[gusty smelt]

The caswennan is the name of the ship, not the only bos ship

Theyve had a few

[minor lark]

That was in a news article and the show doesn't agree with that.

Serite posted an image from the show when it drops info to the Elder and it really looks like it says Prydwen.

[gusty smelt]

Check again

[minor lark]

I've seen the image, it's my opinion

[gusty smelt]

Plus dive deeper onto bos lore, they traveled east in a caravan of airships

[minor lark]

I'm aware, it still looks like a P, not a C

I'm willing to say I'm blind though

[gusty smelt]

Lol it wouldn't surprise though if they used the image from 4, they copy and paste crap into 76 all the time and call it new

[minor lark]

Reusing assets is time tested lol

[gusty smelt]

Still makes me laugh to see NCR armor in 76

[minor lark]

Riot armor used by police.

[foggy fulcrum]

It wasn’t NCR Armor in Pre War days

Notice how they don’t show NCR on it

[gusty smelt]

@foggy fulcrum it says NCR on it lol

[foggy fulcrum]

No it doesn’t, check again

[gusty smelt]

Right breast side says ncpd

New California is post war

[foggy fulcrum]

It doesn’t Say N on it, It says CPD

[gusty smelt]

Pre war would say LAPD no c

[minor lark]

If it was from California yeah.

[gusty smelt]

Lol think about it " California police department"

Doesn't sound right does it

[foggy fulcrum]

Bro what? Pre war rangers, Rangers are Police.

Also did you forget this is not exactly 1 to 1 our Universe?

[digital copper]

it's Charleston Police Department 😂

and the Rangers' armor says LAPD in the same place because it was pre-war LAPD gear

[foggy fulcrum]

Tbf we associated the Armor with the West Coast for So long that Cali came to mind first

[gusty smelt]

Lol had a whole thought typed out, but that made me laugh

[digital copper]

it's not even a joke that's pretty blatantly what they meant by it when they changed it from the LAPD it was in NV

Riot armor used by Charleston's police before the war same as it was used by the Los Angeles police. Scavenged by NCR as Ranger armor over there, scavenged by survivors in WV for whatever other purposes

[foggy fulcrum]

Only difference being they never revived the Rangers in Charleston

[gusty smelt]

I can appreciate you guys bending over backwards to explain it, if they had tried half as hard ingame to explain I'd be with you, but no. The idea that it's been found is knoll by the fact that it was a skin added with fallout 1st

No explanation were or why it was there

[foggy fulcrum]

Bending over backwards is what we do

[slow dragon]

we’re all aware that atom shop items aren’t uhhhhhhhhh canon right?

[foggy fulcrum]

Depends, I believe they said some of them can be and others not

[slow dragon]

atom shop as a rule isn’t canon, but things in it CAN be canon

[foggy fulcrum]

Gg? And nah, I’d rather it not be, Not like it can anyway, Bethesda confirmed it as canon in the 25th anniversary post.

It’s that you said gg and 76 so I thought it was something else related to Fallout. XD

[gusty smelt]

Sorry read a 2nd message after the gg, should've separated

[untold valley]

uhhh, i like the props in the show they are better than some games that hold the fallout title

not like thats a high bar but still

i really like the props

[foggy fulcrum]

Tbf it’s IRL. XD

[untold valley]

i really hope beth gives up on "real world guns arent present" like we dont have a cannon p90 and hk guns

like winchester isnt making plazma rifles in f1 and 2

first step is the hardest one i hope they keep it going

• there are RPK's in the show

a mix is the best i say to have everyone happy

i like my desert eagle just as much as i like my extended mag AK thats used by the americans for some reason xD

[iron geyser]

Ignoring real guns in the game is just as much of a "we don't want to have to work with the actual companies involved" issue these days--trademarks, trade dress, prominence in the piece, cost of the license deal, etc.

[foggy fulcrum]

Fallout probably got away with it back then due to being Lesser known at the time to

[iron geyser]

90s was a bit of a wild west when it came to unlicensed use of brands in video games

[foggy fulcrum]

Video games are now more popular these days.

[untold valley]

i mostly assure you none of these companies care, vector was asked once why does the vector in modern warfare 2 look so weird and they said activision hasnt even made contact and that they wouldnt care about them using the irl model

f1 and 2 are still sold you know, even in slightly updated fasion (by having sfall)

tactics also is sold with a hi rez fix

if someone wanted to make money off of a lawsuit it would be easy but these people dont care its a choice of the devs

[gusty smelt]

I like the idea that modern weapons that we know wouldn't be in abundance due to the divergence, atomic energy took research and development in another direction, but I'm also guilty of wanting some of these modern toys to show up

[untold valley]

rn, modern weapons in cannon include futuristic at the time stuff as well as popculture guns, im reffering to G11 by H&K, and the desert eagle in f1/2

one is a weird caseless ammo thing (yes caseless ammo is real but we've figured out its too hard to make) and deagle is deagle

[slow dragon]

a business will never make decisions on something as nebulous as that. whether or not the companies “care” is irrelevant, as bethesda would still be legally liable if they ever decided to start caring. they’d have to entirely rely on the goodwill of a completely separate entity which is. not a great idea from a business perspective. you need things in writing

[untold valley]

then why not just ask? music for these games is cheap enough they can scramble 10000 bucks and they probably wouldnt spent it all, + like i said if someone cared stuff would be in court long ago

[slow dragon]

because those things generally come with a price tag and this is a SUPER niche issue that the vast majority of fans could not care less about

[untold valley]

quite the opposite, shall i pull out nexus screenshots?

or maybe forum threads about f4 AR

[slow dragon]

if you think people who mod fallout games are the majority of players i have some sobering news for you

[untold valley]

f4 has like 10 000 players rn on steam, starfield has half of that despite being newer, one has creaiton kit other one does not, preety simple

yes, modding is in the majority, even this server has a channel for modding do you realise how uncommon that is?

[slow dragon]

if you think 10,000 players i the majority of fallout players i have some sobering news for you

[untold valley]

i am willing to provide data for my claims but i really want to see any of yours

[slow dragon]

modders are and will always be a niche population of players of any video game (even BGS games) when you’re talking about games that shipped millions upon millions of copies. please be serious

[gusty smelt]

@untold valley hes saying 10000 out of 25 million isnt the majority

But when looking at active player your correct

[sterile torrent]

Ok this is the channel for discussion on the series, please keep it on topic

[untold valley]

okay. grognak i will respond in f4 chat mkay

[spiral light]

https://tenor.com/view/cthulhu-illithids-gif-25485727

[last lotus]

Just finished the show best tv show I’ve watched in ages and the lore drops in it were amazing

[quaint fjord]

||My precious republic 🥲||

[spiral light]

I think it had a fun kind of feeling to it. After playing through the games like a veteran of the wasteland. It was really fun to watch new people starting off fresh and running into nostalgic things. || Like when you see the big donut above a restaurant in the distance we all quietly know that's a Slocum's Joe. When we find out Bud is now a talking brain in a jar it makes sense because we've seen that sort of thing before. ||

[teal dune]

||My thoughts on the fall of the NCR:

The fall of Shady Sands in 2277 doesn't necessarily mean the nukes were 2277, as that year is when the 1st Battle of Hoover Dam happened, where many NCR soldiers lost their lives, in addition to being when the Divide was destroyed, meaning the NCR lost one of its 2 routes into the Mojave, and lastly there's the NCR-Brotherhood war where much of the NCR gold reserves were lost (which is why NCR dollars in New Vegas are only 2/5ths the value of caps)

As of New Vegas it's mentioned that the NCR hold on the Boneyard (LA) is tenuous, so if they began to collapse it makes sense they'd withdraw from there

Secondly, Chief Hanlon and the OSI guy at McCarran mention dried out lakes and an impending famine respectively, so the NCR was already on a downward trajectory

I don't like Bethesda's approach of nuclear spectacle, would've much preferred a slow collapse through overextension, but given the sign saying Shady Sands is NCR's 'first' capital, it's likely there's a larger functioning city up north, possibly The Hub or New Reno||

In terms of handling Fallout's themes, I actually think they did it better than most of the games

Sometimes a little bit heavy handed, but I really appreciated the depiction of pre-war America and Vault-Tec overall

[chrome ridge]

||My only real confusion is just the inclusion of Repconn in the meeting. Given how hard RobCo and Poseidon were trying to buy out Repconn, Id think putting Nuka-Cola there would be better.||

Nevertheless, I'm excited for Season 2 and looking forward to more.

[plush quest]

||this is the conclusion I came to after finishing the series. The only sticking point was the story about Lucy’s mom dying in the famine of ‘77 implying that’s when destroyed Shady Sands. But an explanation could be that’s the year Lucy was separated and her mom lived on in Shady Sands for a number of years before being destroyed.||

[chrome ridge]

||One other confusion is LA. I'm just a little confused on what was ruined as some of the episodes show the waterfront of LAX, Santa Monica, Marina Del Rey, Manhattan, etc all just sand dunes, but then Beverely Hills, that isnt that far, is a lush flooded area, and Downtown that isnt far off is still standing. And this shot, just contradicts other scenes.||

Oh, I guess I cant upload images. Nevermind.

||https://imgur.com/a/Z6Gamy2||

[spiral light]

||Robco owns Repconn so technically Mr.House has 2 seats at the meeting. ||

[chrome ridge]

Exactly

||And Fred Sinclair was Big MT? I thought Dr Mobius directed Big MT?||

[spiral light]

||https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/Frederick_Sinclair Mobious was an executive and part of the think tank, Fred Sinclair was a financer who went on to build the Sierra Madre||

[digital copper]

neither that page or the text of the games suggests he was ||financing them in a way other than being a client/customer, it's a change and a weird one at that|| :P

[chrome ridge]

||None of that page reference his role in Big MT other than being a client||

[spiral light]

||In the show he has a big moutain plackard like it's something he already owns||

[chrome ridge]

That means nothing.

[digital copper]

I know... that's my point lol. ||The games pretty heavily implied he had no control over them and was just one of their many unsuspecting customers/clients being sent wildly dangerous experimental tech for his business lol||

[true badge]

Ok, im up to having watched episode 6 now. As a TV show, it’s absolutely hitting the markers nonstop. From a Fallout perspective, I’d say there is some licence going on for the sake of TV that doesnt quite line up with the games, but that was to be expected, and it doesnt spoil it for me. This is definitely Fallout, looking forward to the last two episodes. And So hoping this is picked up for many more seasons.

[spiral light]

||If he has enough money and pull to build his own casino and sit in on the secret meetings I don't think it's a far reach to say he's also an executive of the Big mountain facility and Mobious ends up in charge because he went to the sierra madre instead, his personal project||

[true badge]

I think the only thing thats given me a pause for thought is the ||gulper sequence, the physical appearance of the gulper, seems more like a mash up between gulper and angler, lalthough the fingers as villi was a nice touch.||

[digital copper]

Yeah I think you're missing our point lol. ||We aren't saying he isn't an executive of Big MT now we're saying that he pretty explicitly wasn't a part of the organization in his original depiction and now is seemingly because Amazon's writers misunderstood his business relationship with them and decided to make him their representative at the secret meeting lol||

[chrome ridge]

||And the inclusion of Repconn and Robco, given how one was buying the other one around that time or before? Seems like Nuka-Cola wouldve been a better option than Repconn.||

[digital copper]

||It's an admittedly minor retcon but it is a retcon and that's all we're pointing out|| :P

[chrome ridge]

||Yeah. I dont care about Shady Sands or the NCR. Im just nitpicking weird stuff.||

[spiral light]

|| I think it fits because he's one of the few ultra wealthy people during the time||

[chrome ridge]

||John-Caleb Bradberton was way more wealthy than Fredy Sinclair, though.||

||Seems odd to not include John-Caleb Bradberton as he could finance way more vaults than Sinclair.||

[digital copper]

Yeah I mean ||it's fair, it fits I suppose, but it's still an explicit change that contradicts what was previously established, and I think it's worth acknowledging that the show does do that at several points and that it's perfectly alright for people who prefered the old versions of things to be disappointed or upset and to want these changes walked back|| 🤷‍♂️

[chrome ridge]

Honestly

And I dont put much hope into this as itll probably never happen

[spiral light]

|| By Choosing him for Big Mt. It also opens up a larger story that could tie the Sierra Madre into the show if they try to find him at Big MT.||

[chrome ridge]

but I hope Bethesda, be it Todd, Emil, whomever, has an AMA or posts content clearing up confusion. Just to ease the minds of people and help decrease the animosity and hate and vitriol that there is now on the internet. Im losing interest in the community because its 500% more toxic now and its just not a fun place to talk. Its a weird civil war between F1/2/FNV and Obsidian fans and Bethesda and F3/4/76 and the dumpster fire is just spiraling out of control, more so since the show released. As a mod creator and loremonger, Im just about ready to just jump ship.

But thats the optimist in me. The pessimist and realist is banking on the above never happening and is willing to put money on it.

[digital copper]

God 10000%

Sometimes feels like I can't talk about the show's shortcomings without being treated like a basement-dwelling elitist hater, or talk about the parts it does right without being called a shill consoomer with no taste or whatever. Not necessarily here, at least not all the time, but still

[sterile torrent]

let's keep it on topic for the series please

[signal isle]

Do they intentionally make some scenes "bad"? ^^ For example the CGI effect when T-60 lands to fight Ghoul, it looks like a bad animation

Happened multiple times through the season with some other scenes as well

[spiral light]

||He's on the east coast, with Nuka World and all the other east coast characters, this way everything is still on the west coast ||

[foggy fulcrum]

Star Wars is also like that

I can’t tell whether you are intentionally trying to annoy him or are just joking.

[chrome ridge]

||The location of one person doesn't seem like a good enough justification. ||

[hazy pelican]

||The Special Effects budget was a little low is my guess. Did you see the "Gulper"? Looked like a fat mutated muppet.||

[spiral light]

||Axolotl||

[lofty prairie]

It's impossible to reconcile any of the tv show with the games. Another thing I just thought of today is that it also completely retcons Fallout 76 because ||if Vault Tec executives already controlled nukes and can use them to destroy cities purely through magic 219 years after the war why were we ever told to secure the nuclear silos in Appalachia? Did they forget to control those silos? Did the Overseer lie? Nothing about this can coexist with the pre-existing narratives we've played through.||

[chrome ridge]

||Maybe we were to secure the silos so vault tec could use them to wipe the slate clean.||

[lofty prairie]

||But they should already be secure if they used them to start the war in the first place.||

This is what happens when fanfic writers who only care about getting paid for gig work come along and start pulling on threads

[lofty prairie]

I would have 0 problem with Fallout 76 being retconned. PERSONALLY at least. ||Plus some of the insane stuff we see in 76 WOULD have came to other places as well? The eldritch monsters at least? No way we NEVER see them in other places. You get what I mean?||

||It just wouldn't have worked. Even with the whole "oh they all die" or whatever thing about it. It just doesn't... you know, go well together.||

[hazy pelican]

||We don't know this. Yes, that was alluded to in the meeting that they felt like they had that power, but we honeslty don't know what happened there. And all that really needed to happen is one launch at the enemy causing retalitory strikes and then returned volleys. They didn't need to fire every nuke.||

[lofty prairie]

Fallout 76: The President of the United States can't launch a nuke without a general inserting a card and keying in a decrypted launch code
Fallout on Amazon Prime: ||lol whatever who cares of course Vault Tec can just nuke whatever whenever they're the bad guys||

[hazy pelican]

||Private entities are always more effecient than the government 😉 ||

[foggy fulcrum]

||Pretty sure they were also indoctrinating Vault Dwellers to believe in Vault Tec, them securing those silo’s would be of benefit to them as a result||

[lofty prairie]

||Why are they insecure in the first place though?||

[lofty prairie]

yes, that's why. yes

[spiral light]

They may have secured most of the silos but the 3 in Appalachia we aren't securing for vault tech we are securing them so we can launch nukes ourselves

[lofty prairie]

We absolutely are securing them for Vault Tec those were the Overseer's direct orders.

[foggy fulcrum]

||But yeah I would say it makes no sense if they didn’t already paint the picture Vault Tec was using all this propaganda in this vault to make these people subservient to them, what they didn’t count on was people surviving outside the vault among other things.||

[lofty prairie]

|| Since the T-45 and T-60 have flaws of the wielding below the chestpiece. Does that mean the T-51 improved that flaw? The chest piece is majorly different on T-51s. ||

[spiral light]

They hadn't been launched so maybe they just weren't in control of all of them and need us to secure the 3 left overs in Appalachia

[rare cedar]

After watching fallout tv series so some vaults are connected to other vaults that’s the first I’ve seen this?

[chrome ridge]

It was kinda in fnv

[rare cedar]

Meaning vault 31,32 and 33

[chrome ridge]

With that one vault that was blue and red

[spiral light]

All the vaults have different experiments it might be the only one setup like that

[rare cedar]

Oh actually that would make sense

Also is new Vegas connected to the tv series the way it ended with Hank going to vegas maybe he created mr house?

[chrome ridge]

Who knows

[spiral light]

||Mr. house was at the meeting, and Hank is going there years after the battle of hoover dam so their is a 50/50 chance House is already dead or highly upgraded thanks to getting that chip from the courier||

[rare cedar]

Really?

I was curious who messaged coopers wife during the meeting at vault tec unless that was Hank?

[spiral light]

|| Mr. House is the Robco rep. he even has the mustache, and Hank was coopers wife's assistant " He used to fetch her dry cleaning "||

[spiral light]

|| Something else that went by quickly in that scene. Cooper Remembers Hank perfectly and is disgusted by him, because while he was asking for an autograph Coop was secretly listening to his wife successfully selling Vault techs doomsday plan with crazy human experiments. ||

[cobalt fox]

Do we know what happened to his wife? ||She was at the table so she must have been safe when the bombs dropped. She wasn't at the party in the intro, right?||

[spiral light]

|| She also didn't seem to be on the vault 31 list, you can read the names over norms shoulder when he examines the console||

[cobalt fox]

||Hank wasn't really a higher up but an assistant so maybe 31 was the B tier?||

[bronze jay]

|| She said about getting into a “nice vault” maybe she got into one of those, she was also big in vault tec so probably knew when the bombs were going so it’s unlikely they were just at home ||

[spiral light]

https://tenor.com/view/it-is-a-mystery-butt-head-mike-judge's-beavis-and-butt-head-s2-e3-it's-a-riddle-gif-11206365824536170941

[cobalt fox]

I guess that's being saved for another season. ||Likely that's who Hank is going to....||

[bronze jay]

Yh ngl I have no idea wat hank is planning in new vegas

Probably going to a different vault tho, seen as he can’t rly go back to 33

[spiral light]

||All the people at the meeting were related to the New Vegas story line so it makes sence they will all be going to New Vegas for answers||

[bronze jay]

How was west-tek related

Altho I see ur point. Going to the big boys

[cobalt fox]

There was also the scene with ||the "president" where he says "still looking for her", and I assume he meant Barb.||

[bronze jay]

So she’s alive still ?

[cobalt fox]

I think so.

[spiral light]

|| West-tek created the super mutants, he even says he wants a vault to make experimental super soldiers||

[bronze jay]

Hm. Strange

[cobalt fox]

The only think that doesn't make sense is that if she make it to a vault, why she would not take her daughter?

[bronze jay]

Oh yh forgot that wasn’t just a fo76 thing

[bronze jay]

Yh that’s wat im thinking. Clearly she found out cooper had a bug on her, so i can understand if she left him - only kinda tho. But maybe she just went cold, i mean she suggested || dropping the first bomb ||

[spiral light]

||Fallout is full of bad luck situations like that, she may have gotten locked in some place before it was too late ||

[bronze jay]

No but she was big in vault tec, she would’ve known when they planned to drop the bomb she would’ve made sure right

[spiral light]

|| @bronze jay Best laid plans of mice and men, her associate Bud probably didn't plan to end up as a brain in a jar either. ||

[bronze jay]

Ig but if they’re away at a children’s party that’s a big screw up

Seems more likely she was taken away by vault tec or she just turned cold asf

[cobalt fox]

Yeah I think going cold makes the most sense.

[spiral light]

or like most vaults, she went in freely and realized to late that she couldn't get back out

[bronze jay]

Or that they wernt gonna let cooper and their daughter in

The lore added from the tv show is crazy 😭

[spiral light]

We'll see what happens next season

[cobalt fox]

So when Cooper is staring at the explosion in the intro scene, he is not only distraught for the obvious reason, but also thinking ||Wow, she actually left us to die.||

[bronze jay]

Damn that’s true. Bc he heard that meeting.

[spiral light]

https://tenor.com/view/feel-me-think-about-it-meme-gif-7715402

[bronze jay]

The facial expressions in that scene made it so real tho

[cobalt fox]

Goggins is amazing.

[bronze jay]

Fr. Played his character so well

[spiral light]

I liked that they did more showing than telling in that way

[bronze jay]

We had to read holotapes for years we deserve it

[cobalt fox]

Hell I might just go ahead an rewatch it.

[bronze jay]

Was just thinking this

[spiral light]

RIP Abigayle Singh

[cobalt fox]

So many things are going to have another meaning. Like at the "wedding", only 15 minutes in, when Lucy says ||"I wish Mom was here." And her dad says, "Me too."||

Did you notice the easter egg that the code was FO1 release date?

[pastel echo]

||listen... all i know is.. they keep teasing this new vegas stuff.. either remaster the first or give us new vegas 2 already... my heart cant take all the darn teasing||

Final episode spoilers ^^^^^^^

[cobalt fox]

We are for sure getting a FO4 remaster, right?

||I know that's not the same.||

[pastel echo]

uh.. no?

[cobalt fox]

Oh was that just speculation?

[pastel echo]

i mean.. it's getting a next gen update finally

but not a remaster

[cobalt fox]

Oh, that's right. I guess that's not the same thing. More of a console thing.

[signal isle]

I guess im not the only one but somehow Norm becomes my fave character i think lol

I was hoping for him to become an antihero like The Ghoul

[steel siren]

I absolutely love this show, it’s very well done

And it looks amazing

[agile vault]

Just finished.
I don't understand the hate fans of the Non-Bethesda Fallouts are giving the show. This show has only been a huge reference to those and couldn't possibly exist without all the lore built from 1, 2 and New Vegas. Frankly the show has felt like one big love letter. I mean they haven't really referenced any of Bethesda's lore like The Institute, Minutemen, Gunners, the Outcasts. or uh..hmm..typing this makes me realize Bethesda doesn't do much world building.
Love the show and can't wait for Season 2.

I do have a question though.

Do they ever say "China", in this show?

[alpine vale]

I do love that it is not the Caswennan that we see in the show, but the Prydwen, from Boston.

[minor lark]

Omg I had no idea about Nuka Dark being an actual product and now I've bought two bottles.

[covert flax]

The fact Matt Berry had a role in this 👏 I love it

[red forge]

Yeah when I heard he got the role of the Mr Handy bots, I felt he was perfect for it.

[plucky juniper]

Why do the knight have a weird dark voice like Spiderman mcu scene ?? I’m at episode 1

Shouldn’t they have just a normal voice altered by the helmet ?

[red forge]

You need to consider the means of portrayal to a TV audience, especially those that have no idea about the lore. The deep voice would've been chosen as a means of intimidation, to go with the appearance of an armoured knight... and to eventually have it to become a touch of humour.

[plucky juniper]

I am really mixed about this. I think this isn’t the right way to mystify such a character

Cuz the moment he talked I just can’t take it seriously, so it was rather weird

That reminds me of Nolan choice of having that cringe Batman voice in dark knight for some reason

Or Ben affleck Batman altering his voice cuz his might not be edgy enough

[red forge]

If it were an armoured soldier the size of a stormtrooper, it'd make more sense type to just digitise the voice, but like I said, this is a different medium, and there needs to be initially a delivery that matches the appearance of an imposing hulk like figure.

[plucky juniper]

Well I never figures power armor guys hulk like, rather just enhanced soldiers. If it were for an enclave soldier I would be rather amused, because making them cliché like the drill sergeant in fallout 2 was freaking hilarous

||But this tough guy Pablo Escobar intimidation attempt for the BoS, Idk I just don't buy it||

[red forge]

Again, you need to consider perspective of the means of delivery for a TV show audience.

[plucky juniper]

As for the different medium, well yes I agree, however don't forget that Fallout games are the source material of the series, like it or not. same case with lord of the rings, game of thrones and all the adapted IPs

Same with warcraft movie attempting to make his own plot well

[lunar hawk]

As a reminder, please use spoiler tags

[plucky juniper]

Yes I will try not to unveil anything

[plucky juniper]

Exactly like warcraft, I mean i liked the movie, and I play the games

And I know people didnt know jack s about the games and they enjoyed it

The show needs to have its own personnality however, nobody wants a last of us type of tv show

Like it was legit weird to have a copy pasta of the game, and at the same time so different stuff

Yeah, I was realy scared they would attempt to go on elder scrolls Ip which would be a horrendous mistake

Instead it is quite refreshing to have a post apocalyptic tv show of that rate, it's kinda unique, whereas a elder scrolls TV show would have felt like a cheap GoT

[red forge]

I felt ||Mothman cult vibes with Vault 4 when they did their little ceremony thing||

[plucky juniper]

It would be cool to have a questline in fallout 4 next gen update dedicated to the show

Feeling the tv show is actually a sequel

[red forge]

It's not entirely a sequel. It's about a decade or so further into the future, but in a different geographic area.

[long quiver]

Mothman, or Children of Atom.

[plucky juniper]

Yeah, it is a real challenge not to infrige upon new vegas tho

Cuz the moment you start setting the Mojave, things can go really sour

LA ? Well fallout 2 afaik had its setting there a century prior

So anything can happen after that

[red forge]

I won't get involved in that topic... I don't know enough about the lore in that regard... but do acknowledge there's tension around potential retcon.

[plucky juniper]

it's inevitable, due to the nature of the scenarios

Hoover dam belonging to 4 different factions, bos compeltley wiped out or not, ncr driven out of california or not etc

But at some point you have to pick a side. Is the legion still alive ? how many remnant of the enclave if there is one, who controls hoover dam etc

Fallout 3 was piss easy because there is basically 1 ending

But fallout 4 ? the institute ? the prydwen ? GL lol

[red forge]

It's all speculation at this point.

[plucky juniper]

Well it's the player who picked the side

Now it's up to whoever is setting it to decide

[red forge]

Let's just wait and see what happens in season 2.

[plucky juniper]

It's a real headache when you make games based on your decisions

GL for elder scrolls 6 to figure if the stormcloak won or the thalmor is out of the picture : D

[red forge]

There was also Defiance, the game and TV show. Both were to influence each other at milestone moments, but... as far as I'm concerned, it didn't.

[plucky juniper]

Then you have GoT season 8, that butchered both the characters and the source material

But thank god we only have brand new characters in this show, which render the whole thing much much easier

And there is much more liberty to be taken in this univere, unlike lord of the rings

[red forge]

Novels to TV/movie have notoriety for adaptations.

Unless you have people involved that know the source material before the new medium even went to preproduction, as in they knew it before it was cool.

[plucky juniper]

Video games to TV and movies are known to fail quite a lot

Halo ? Hitman ? Far Cry ? and The last of us is mixed a lot

[signal isle]

but we can all agree, the TV show IS canon

[plucky juniper]

Yeah i htink they are leaning towards that, but they can afford it because it is a setting that hasn't be seen in that era, with new characters and such

had they set in right into DC or the commonwealth, that would be tricky

[red forge]

The uniqueness of the Fallout franchise is each media that's been delivered, revolves around its own localised story.

[signal isle]

its mindblowing to me that people persist on those conspiracy theories and fake news about the show

better said one particular group of people

[plucky juniper]

About what ?

[signal isle]

that the show is supposed to ruin the New Vegas game

basically that Bethesda holds grudge against Obsidian and this is their action to that

[plucky juniper]

Well it's safe to say that bethesda ain't gonna toss around sunset sarsaparilla and ncr ranger veteran armor all over the place

They put the ncr armor in fallout 76 didnt they

It's just more sensitive, and you have new vegas fan cult who would riot if you touch their gem

[molten oracle]

The vegas fans do have a reason to be annoyed, || a main faction from their favorite game was turned to dust, and it is looking like new vegas has been destroyed aswell, potentially making the efforts of the player in FNV all for nothing. ||

It would be like fallout 2 fans would be angry if arroyo was turned into rubble

[signal isle]

yeah and they are like this for a long time, the show just happens to be a ideal next victim for them

[plucky juniper]

The Fallout games are source material, as long asyou don't butcher what makes these factions what they are, it's fine

[signal isle]

||turns out they dont even bother to look at the billboard twice nor are they interested in understanding that this IS canon and they are wrong. They are intentionally refusing this as it fits their hate campaign that persists long before even the first Fallout TV show trailer and teaser||

[plucky juniper]

If you decide in season 2 the BoS let's say idk, start going enclave mode, well that is bad

[true badge]

All 8 episodes done…..what can I say, this is like watching Lost or BSG for the first time time again, its absolutely fantastic, not saying perfect, its their first season, bound to be a few things different people prefer and dont, things missed etc, but overall, its the first TV show I’ve seen for 10 years now that I genuinely am in awe of!

[signal isle]

agree

[true badge]

What I love about this is they havnt been afraid to max out the age rating, just wish they’d gone one higher lol. There is general comedy moments, then there is some darker comedy, then there are the scenes that I often LOL at that perhaps some folks wouldn’t, bit like when I watch Robocop 😄

[signal isle]

the show is perceived very good overall and the storyline is canon with the game franchise so yeah

[true badge]

This is definitely the best adaptation of a computer game since the Jolie Croft 😄

[signal isle]

i genuinely expected it to be 18+ rating lmao

[true badge]

Yeah, especially the first part of episode one lol. Just imagine if they’d gone 18 😄

[red forge]

Well half of the season was rated R18 in Australia.

Our R18 is US NC17.

[true badge]

I know for format releases, in the UK the boxset gets a rating of the highest one required, for example, Stargate SG-1, had that full frontal, which at the time earned a 18 rating, so the whole of season one was rated 18 on the tapes/dvds lol….even tho the rest of it is barely PG

[true badge]

Awww, we woke lunar up

[signal isle]

uh uh, the government came in O_o

[true badge]

Sorry lunar, have a tin of cram 😄

[red forge]

It was just a matter of time.

[true badge]

Haha….love the irony just then

[signal isle]

who sent you you mutant! O_O Is this yet another Vault experiment?!

[sick mantle]

who

[lunar hawk]

Please make sure to follow the #rules when posting
We encourage you to share feedback, suggestions, and requests with us, but we expect all of our community members to refrain from resorting to insults.

[red forge]

Mods, clearly.

[true badge]

I finished the show lunar, please pass best wishes on to the folks at Bethesda, absolutely stunning job, everything I want from Fallout and a TV show…..best new thing I’ve seen in a very long time 😄

[sick mantle]

well since i can't say what i really think

i guess i'll have to follow the rules

[red forge]

Neither side wins in heated arguments. It's about delivery.

[sick mantle]

twhat that wasn't a heated argument

[red forge]

Take it up with the mods /shrug

[true badge]

Just watched the bonus shorts, haha, very well done! Although the progress bar makes me think there should be another 3? Hmm….

[tough snow]

i do like how the show is staying true to the games where even if your in power armour it doesnt matter a sweetroll could be thrown at you and kill you

[heady mulch]

i still need to watch the finale, but,

[tough snow]

agreed i was apprehensive about the show especially being produced by amazon but it was surprisingly good extremely surprisingly good

set designers , artists and writers did a great job, even with all the forced diversity/political in the background it didnt go too far in any direction and didnt rub your face in it, thats how it should be done

this show was clearly done how i always state it, focus on the story and everything first, make it good, then add the diversity and everything in,

i actually hope they make season 2

i cant decide if its a 7 8 or 9 out of 10 but everyone involved did a great job,

star of the show was easily the power armour suit tho.. whether titus or maximus it didnt matter the t60 was best character for me

[spice ingot]

man

show was something else

i am very happy they brought back the enclave though!

They better show up in the show with good looking armor and weapons!

Best of the best

Semper Fi my fellow americans

[foggy fulcrum]

Just saying nobody likes those kind of people around here.

[sterile torrent]

Stop please

[foggy fulcrum]

Sorry, Just frankly annoyed.

[spice ingot]

uh , was that for me? or the other guy?

sorry, i get lost in roleplay with my fav fallout faction

[true badge]

Well, you said you like the enclave, so probably for you 😄 😄 😄 just kidding!

[spice ingot]

Hahaha i know right

[foggy fulcrum]

For me.

[spice ingot]

maybe

🤣

i am a simple man, I like mean lean killing machines in Adv PA MKII

[true badge]

I wasnt for me, I feed the kraken with mythic Greek people….

[foggy fulcrum]

Only because I feel like it’s forgotten Fallout always had a political element to it.

[spice ingot]

it does. It makes the fallout universe more realistic and believable.

[true badge]

That’s because most things entertaining do. So it loses its value in long term memory. Take Star Wars….or Superman and so on…..

[spice ingot]

but to may ppl now a days take those bits to an extreme too.

which is sad

[true badge]

Even Bambi film was pro-NRA 😄 sorry, slapping my own wrist here…

[foggy fulcrum]

Buddy… Star Wars has been political since the first movie, the difference is making an entertaining movie with political characters elements vs not.

[lunar hawk]

You were asked to stop. Please drop the subject.

[foggy fulcrum]

Is it not relevant to Fallout?

[spice ingot]

i wish the show drooped the F04 assault rifle

[lunar hawk]

Real world religion and politics is against the rules. Please stay on topic

[true badge]

A droopy rifle? That wouldn’t work 😄

[spice ingot]

man that thing is nasty!!!

why not keep using the r91????

it was slicck

[foggy fulcrum]

I will, but I feel you can’t necessarily ignore certain comparisons is all

[true badge]

I’m just hoping that next season we see Lucy go stealth with a fixer 😄

[foggy fulcrum]

The 3 Main characters represent the different players

[green yew]

no, they represent different factions

[true badge]

And i reckon her brother should get equipped with a missile launcher, if only so we can see him fly backwards trying to fire it 😄

[spice ingot]

the bos dude is a wastelander, Lucy the prime human, that ghoul dude the ghoul? 🤣

[foggy fulcrum]

Look deeper, they clearly make references to Fallout Players at various points in the show

[green yew]

like?

[foggy fulcrum]

It’s more the player morality element

[true badge]

The ghoul is the wastelander, the BOS guy is the anti-hero and Lucy is the naive vault dweller…..

[foggy fulcrum]

In the RPG Sense of how different players handle situations and such

[spice ingot]

in that case, we are mising 1 playthough, the vault initiative playthough. If it aint prewar looking, it gets the flamer xD

god i havent seen any deathclaws yet, i hope they look cute

[true badge]

The ghoul represents players who want to claim life sucked and they can do what they want from a sense of moral ambiguity, the BOS guy represents players who like to play with a general strong sens of morals, but makes up those morals. And Lucy players, like me, hold a true sense of morals that could eventually erode by finding out how much life sucks when the cram runs out and you ahve to leave the vault

[hazy lichen]

If they're basing charwcters on types of players then there needs to be a violent moron who makes the wasteland considerably worse for everyone

[true badge]

Have you watched all episodes lemanier?

[spice ingot]

no , just the first ones

[foggy fulcrum]

Yes exactly, especially with how ||Cooper tells Lucy “You are me and I was just like you once”||

[green yew]

don't forget type of player who uses god mode and nukes cities

[true badge]

||i think that was her dad lol||

[green yew]

and the type of player who can't get to quests because of 100 hours spent on rebuilding sanctuary

[true badge]

Or in my case more like 1000 😄

[green yew]

nah, missing diamond city massacre

[true badge]

I didn’t complete FO3 for about 5 years, but played through a good 15 characters haha

[spice ingot]

what weirds me out is cooper drinking water. Shouldnt ghouls not need that?

[true badge]

What I love most about Fallout games is the side questing, just so much ||and brilliant nod when The Ghoul says to Lucy about being sidetracked in the wasteland hahaha||

[hazy lichen]

Ghouls needing water has been pretty well established

[true badge]

Maybe doing it to frustrate Lucy…..

[hazy lichen]

Necropolis collapses in 1 if you take their water chip and don't find a replacement

[spice ingot]

oh right

[true badge]

Oh yeah, forgot about necropolis, havnt played 1 in a loooong time

[hazy lichen]

I mean you could argue they only need it for crops and not for drinking but that feels like splitting hairs

[spice ingot]

well there goes another reason for EDEN initiative. Time to ride muties!

[livid leaf]

The intro to the first episode is so sad

[true badge]

You’ll probably be upset then when I say I had a right laugh watching it…..

[livid leaf]

It is funny tho at the same time

[foggy fulcrum]

Also ||Maximus entering the Power Armor and having fun is also players using it for the first time||

[true badge]

I laugh at ultra violence, im not in any way shape or form violent myself, mum and dad did a good job raising me not to mix up fiction and real life, so I find stuff like Robocop and Japanese/Korean horror/slasher films funny 😄

[foggy fulcrum]

Like I’m not kidding with how this show makes multiple nods to Fallout Players and how Fallout Players can feel in certain scenarios.

And it’s glorious how true it is

[true badge]

Oh yeah, the show was very well designed to give game fans what they want, both in visual and audible references, the ‘product’ placements especially, such as wallpaper, adverts, items etc. And as you say they nailed the whole premise of player vice.

And from what I’ve heard, a lot of non-game fans are finding it a show worth watching, with quite a few giving the game a try out too. And that’s testimony from friends of mine, not just online blurb

[foggy fulcrum]

Besides Rings of Power, Amazon has a stellar Track Record with Hazbin Hotel, The Boys, Invincible and now Fallout.

[sterile torrent]

I liked how they nailed the funny mixed with depressing and rough.

[true badge]

They took the humour from the games and ran with it, i think thats why it worked so well. I’ve always love the humour in Fallout, from the lighter moments to the very dark ones.

[foggy fulcrum]

Fallout can be sad, dark, depressing, funny, somewhere in between.

[spice ingot]

man now i wish bethesda made some dlc plans for Fo4 while we wait for the new game

add some show stuff

[true badge]

They should make DLC for the TV show too 😄 imagine 15 minute episodes of Anchorage or whatever 😄

[spice ingot]

uff that would be rad

[foggy fulcrum]

Man Rad is so fitting considering Radiation lol

[tardy shoal]

“Tales from the Wasteland”
Beth pls we require more live action lore

[true badge]

For me, FO3 ran the gamut of those the best, while others prefer the story from NV, I find that FO3 was just better at the whole darknes thing alongside the others.

[foggy fulcrum]

I feel Fallout can be many things tho so I am never upset at the other takes.

[digital copper]

Finally collected my thoughts on why Shady Sands being moved to LA bothers me (yes I know I'm sure people are sick of me beating on this drum, but....)

<big inhale, rapid-fire run-on sentence>

If Shady Sands is in the LA Boneyard does that mean that Vault 15 is too? Is Vault 13 too? It must be since Shady Sands and Vault 15 were canonically the FO1 protagonist’s first stops on their journey before heading to Bakersfield to get the water chip. But if Vault 13 is in Los Angeles, how did it avoid the Master’s attention when it’s right under his nose? How did the FO1 protagonist not run into any super mutants until Bakersfield? For that matter, how did Vaults 31, 32, and 33 avoid the Master's attention, when 33 has a big public entrance by Santa Monica Pier that isn’t hidden at all, just a few miles from his headquarters? For that matter, why didn’t ||Vault 31|| do anything about him if he was right on their doorstep? Surely a cult leader warlord mutant abomination actively raiding Vaults for test subjects for his experiments is a bigger threat to the ||Vault Illuminati|| than ||the NCR siphoning some water||? Why didn’t they just nuke the Cathedral the moment he became a threat like they did ||Shady Sands||? Was the water chip breaking some intentional sabotage to get the FO1 protagonist out to do it? That seems deeply convoluted, why wouldn’t they trust one of their own with it like they did with ||Shady Sands||? Why give such an important job to a random person who’s supposed to be an unwitting test subject? Why not just use the ||Appalachia nuke silos|| that are pretty clearly implied to be under their control after ||the events of FO76||? Also, less severe note, if Shady Sands is in Los Angeles, why is it the capital of the state of Shady and not the state of Los Angeles? Does the NCR’s “state of Los Angeles” only cover half of the actual city of LA? Is the state of Shady absurdly small? Because just north of LA should be the states of Maxson and Hub.

[spice ingot]

yep Fallout 3 was the best.

[foggy fulcrum]

I know Fallout 1 was the beginning and was where Fallout was at it’s darkest, Fallout 2 transitioned to having more comedic elements

[spice ingot]

F4 felt to colorful! Not enough horrors, The story was gray. to gray

[hazy lichen]

Fallout 2 went overboard with the pop culture references imo

[foggy fulcrum]

My thoughts is grey as in neither faction is perfect except the Minutemen

[tardy shoal]

How long do FO1 & 2 take to complete? I wanna play them but not if they’re like 20+ hour campaigns.

[hazy lichen]

The minutemen were a few more steps away from a really cool mechanic

Player made factions

[foggy fulcrum]

I will say though that Fallout 4 being to colorful is definitely something I can see as being an issue, however at the same time I say it was due to Bethesda’s Engine having better lighting effects and such by Fallout 4.

[spice ingot]

i meant the writing and world though.

[foggy fulcrum]

I know some people dislike Fallout 3’s Greenish grey vibe and New Vegas Orange.

[sterile torrent]

please keep it on topic of the series in here, we have other channels for discussion of the games.

[foggy fulcrum]

The TV show is rather orange

[spice ingot]

Raider/slavers were way scarrier in FO3.

woops.

[foggy fulcrum]

Minus the ||Gulper area ||

[spice ingot]

loved that gulper

i guess now we know there was a vault working on bioweapons

and it went full with muties 🤣

I hope we get a show version of frank hoorigan

[foggy fulcrum]

The show does do flashbacks so I can see them maybe doing that

[spice ingot]

well i meant more like a new guy that fits his ideology. SOme dude in power armor that dislikes mutants and goes on a purging spree

[jovial stone]

maybe we can get the enclave coms guy

[spice ingot]

the what now??

i dont think someone in comunications MoS can fit Franks persona though

needs to be someone in Special forces or Secret service

[foggy fulcrum]

You are out of Uniform Soldier! Where is your Power Armor!?

[spice ingot]

years and years of experience

dorman is a legend

[tardy shoal]

Has anyone floated the idea that maybe ||squire Thaddeus isn’t a ghoul?||

Idk if it’s easier to make a “ghoul potion” or a healing factor serum out of random crap you found in an abandoned pharmacy, but I think I’d like that trajectory of mutant more than ghoul for him

[tough snow]

its a shame they wasted the world on fire song , that should either have been episode one or last episode .. switched around with the 'tomorrow' song etc

[tough snow]

i dunno not seen anything different fallout related and its like cooper so imagine that will be the case

[abstract orbit]

Heck yes!!!

I also really, really, really wanna see the Securitrons!!!

[chrome temple]

Dogmeat in the games is garbage but in his lore he is more terrifying than a Deathclaw

[chrome temple]

Im 99% sure that the TV series takes place after the original fallouts

[true ocean]

https://tenor.com/view/corner-sit-deer-gif-10844181262590199499

[chrome temple]

The corner is not meant for you

[true ocean]

https://tenor.com/view/i-won-this-spot-mine-i-got-this-mrs-maisel-the-marvelous-mrs-maisel-gif-15627496

[foggy fulcrum]

https://tenor.com/view/ranger-fallout-gaming-gif-16823128

https://tenor.com/view/kavga-gif-19861040

Everyday we gear up, no matter the armor, because we brave the Wasteland.

[tough swan]

||Did Moldaver find Lucy's mom right after the Shady Sands bombing? Or way after? I was thinking Lucy's mom could've been prevented from going feral if she was doing what Cooper was doing (drinking the vials).||

[true ocean]

|| She meet before. Dad found mom at SS and thats why he had it bombed|| ||Are you asking about the ghould state?||

[tough swan]

||Oops, I didn't word my question well. Yeah I meant did Moldaver find Rose again right after the bombing or later on (when the radiation from Shady Sands bombing turned Rose feral). It'd be twisted if Moldaver let her turn feral, as motivation or something.||

[true ocean]

|| I think they may have found her to late into the turning process, and they may not have had the drugs need to keep her from turning||

[iron vector]

Me after binging the episodes and then going through them frame by frame: Barv eating his Greasy Prospector beans.

[digital copper]

lol

Still trying to wrap my head around ||how FO1's story makes sense in light of some of these lore changes/additions||

[digital copper]

see above 😂

Honestly at this point ||I would sincerely prefer if Bethesda just said they want to retcon FO1/2 and treat the show as the start of a soft reboot; it would be so much less frustrating than trying to rationalize all this stuff as somehow being the same continuity||

[ebon hare]

So on the topic of the show.. Seems Charlie likes it, for someone so uhh, Critikal, to like it, it must be good.

[covert flax]

Onto ep 8 now

[iron vector]

Honestly, Emil already said games take precedence. Events will overlap, but the script writers wanted to keep everything neat and tidy.

It bothers me less, because ultimately, this is a change that's only present in FoTV and doesn't affect the stories of other games - and unless ShaS being in LA is somehow important to the plot, I consider it a series-specific weirdness.

[digital copper]

Yeah I'm the first to acknowledge that I'm apparently extremely in the minority about all this, just disappoints me because it kind of feels like almost nobody cares about the classics being adapted faithfully, or wants to see their stories/settings continued properly :(

I get it, they're old and not important to the stories of Bethesda's mega-popular sequels, and have fairly niche+clunky gameplay, and thus not nearly as many people have played and enjoyed them. But they're still why this franchise exists at all, they're still some of my favorite games ever, and I'd rather they just stop dancing around it.

Like, I don't blame them for not wanting to be constrained by the old stuff, but it really feels like they're trying to have their cake and eat it too by making big changes and writing stories without too much regard for what came before, while also insisting up and down that the originals are still 100% canon and that they have no intention of messing with them. It really would bother me a lot less if they just admitted they want to do a reboot and officially established a new continuity 🤷‍♂️

[digital copper]

I want to feel that way too, and it's how I'm coping for the time being ( :P ) but given Todd and others kept insisting up and down prior to release that the show is being treated as canon on the same level as the games... eh.

[covert flax]

Well....

War never changes

[foggy fulcrum]

It’s not that we don’t care, it’s more like it’s not exactly seen as the biggest issue, it’s not something most people immediately notice either. We can acknowledge it but that’s about it.

[lunar hawk]

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[digital copper]

And I get that, I do. But it's a big issue to me because like I said, FO1/2 are by a wide margin two of my favorite games ever, and them making the concious decision to return to their setting and then... really take massive liberties with it and leaving their most iconic locations and factions at best unmentioned and at worst unimportant... bleh. It feels bad. You set it in LA but don't make even the slightest allusion to Adytum, the Gun Runners, the Followers of the Apocalypse, the Cathedral & Master, etc etc?

And the places and factions that do get shown... Brotherhood appears but no sign of Lost Hills or mention of their war with NCR? NCR's iconic capital having its backstory changed in a way that makes aspects of prior lore really weird (like I said, this kind of implies V13 and V15 are in LA, and that the "state of Shady" is too? even though there's also an entirely separate "state of Los Angeles"?)

And V31 really throws a wrench into the plot of the Master. ||How did he miss V33's entrance while doing his raids of Vaults for test subjects? It's not even remotely concealed and practically down the street from his headquarters. And why didn't Vault-Tec take him out like they did Shady Sands? Unless we're meant to believe sending the FO1 protag out was them dealing with it? But that's such a convoluted plan with so many more potential points of failure than sending one of their own to deal with it, like they did with Hank. Sending one of their unwitting test subjects out to get a replacement water chip and just hoping they notice the mutant issue, then hoping they solve it in a way that benefits Vault-Tec and keeps the integrity of the experiment going? It all falls more and more apart the longer I think about it.||

It just feels to me very much like they wanted to make their own version of post-war LA. There's a lot of established stuff just within there that they could have played with and didn't. And the stuff they established feels like it wasn't written with the events of FO1 at the forefront of their minds :P

[sly cave]

I 100% agree man. Its so frustrating all the retcons, changes, and butcher job to the timeline they did, but even then most people don't even care because "Fallout 1 and 2 aren't important, and New vegas is a spin off, and besides, that all happened like a long time ago.

I also wish they would just go the transformers route and just do a soft reboot with a new continuity

[foggy fulcrum]

Tbf tho I sometimes do feel 1 and 2 were soft rebooted.

[sly cave]

They basically were

[iron vector]

That's the limitations of the medium for the most part.

And script writers don't like to have too many threads loose, so the more stuff you introduce, the more moving parts you have - and the more opportunities to really screw up the lore (which is also a pretty modern concept, back in the nineties consistency and large settings were played with more loosely on games; Fo2 broke Fo1 already by making super mutants immortal).

[digital copper]

Eh, maybe. I would really just appreciate it if they just said 1/2/NV are their own continuity and 3/4/76/TV are a new one. Would resolve all of this, let them do whatever they want with the locations / factions / etc from the old continuity while significantly lessening the (admittedly totally irrational) feeling that those games are being affected and "changed" by these retcons.

[signal isle]

why tho? Its one and the same universe

[iron vector]

Eh, I'm not fond of that. There's too much interplay between the games for that - not to mention it really kills the setting long term.

[foggy fulcrum]

Heh… Interplay

[digital copper]

See above about how it's rapidly becoming a snarl of conflicting messages about the state of the setting and causing the plot of the first game to slowly make less and less sense lol

[sly cave]

I get frustrated because they have the chance to follow up on the really interesting premise that both New Vegas, 3, and 4 all set up about a potential 3 way war between the NCR, the Brotherhood and the Enclave, but instead, because that might take too much time and effort to do, ||they've just rehashed the story of fallout 3.||

[iron vector]

War with the Enclave?

[minor lark]

Anyone else think the TV show is setting up Fo5 for the west coast?

[iron vector]

After they conclusively got wiped out three times over in succession, losing pretty much every time they tried?

[foggy fulcrum]

Well the Enclave are remnants at this point, if they wanna gain power again they would have to do it from the shadows.

[iron vector]

Remnants of remnants.

[sly cave]

Which is what they're known for

We also don't know how many bases they actually had

[iron vector]

There's a point at which it gets ridiculous tho

[foggy fulcrum]

Regardless Enclave can’t win in a full on fight at this point, they gotta do what they do best, pull the strings from behind the scenes

[digital copper]

I never particularly imagined the Enclave being a major power player again but I definitely imagined us getting the NCR falling apart to civil war and becoming a failed state bordering on total anarchy outside of major cities due to all the popular unrest and the Brotherhood taking advantage of that; a different sort of apocalypse for us to play around in

[foggy fulcrum]

Which I know some people don’t like but they there’s no way they don’t have bunkers and such all across America, they seem to prepared.

[sly cave]

Its still an intersting premise, even more so than a full fledged war, with them manipulating everything but again, they just wholesale eliminated entire factions from the story

[iron vector]

Not getting a mention doesn't mean they're gone. Remember that television is a very limited format.

[sly cave]

Its the most logical thing. They obviously had a decent base of operations in Chicago, clearly enough force leftover to nearly takeover DC

[foggy fulcrum]

Pre War Government survivors and Military Men

[iron vector]

DC was the remnants of the West Coast.

[sly cave]

And enough resources to keep developing Eyebots and new versions of power armor