fallout-tv-series

[mint zenith]

Hi everyone! Feel free to continue discussing the show here! Please hide any major spoilers so that everyone can enjoy the show at their own pace 😄

[quaint fjord]

How dare you ||nuke the ncr|| 🥸 don’t you know you’re suppose to do that to the legion?

[hollow saffron]

This series pleasantly surprised me!☺️

[foggy fulcrum]

Finally lol

[tardy shoal]

Fallout show is amazing, cant wait for S2

[foggy fulcrum]

I’m going onto the last Episode

The suspense

[quaint fjord]

I’m loving it so far too

Plz make moar

[tardy shoal]

so if this is true, then the show is NOT canon? or it is NOT breaking FONV canon?
#fallout-lore message

[tepid stirrup]

If it makes you feel better he wasn’t really ||nuking the NCR||. He was just ||nuking his wife||. It’s like extreme apocalypse Snapped. 😂

[lunar hawk]

The show is canon

[quaint fjord]

No, it doesn’t, not really lol

My precious republic 😭🤣

[tardy shoal]

it's on me for not playing NV all the way through I guess, but is the issue that ||NCR is collapsed in the show, when at that time it should not be? or is the issue that the date of the bombing of SS doesnt line up?||

or both

[tepid stirrup]

Everything in the show occurs after the games. ||Plenty of time for a faction to fall apart and a psycho to nuke a town instead of getting divorced and therapy. ||

[quaint fjord]

No im just butthurt ||shady sands is a crater now||

[lunar hawk]

I think people are just confused about the date based on the chalkboard.

||The nuke was dropped on Shady Sands after 2277 tho. That timeline literally shows this. The Fall of Shandy Sands which eventually leads to the nuke began in 77 but thats it. They dropped the nuke sometime later. They dont specify when, but it wasn't in 2277|| -quoted from another person

[stiff cape]

How do I make the black spoiler box?

[brisk hawk]

@tardy shoal ||SS got blown up, and in 20 years after that all of NCR collapsed||

[lunar hawk]

|| on either side of what you want to spoiler

[normal orbit]

question about moldave help me
||how moldave is alive after 200 years?||

[past scarab]

Hey guys what days is the watch party on?

[brisk hawk]

|| on both sides

[brisk hawk]

most likely ||cryo||

[stiff cape]

|| I cant belive lucy did it in the dress like come on the vault has to share it||

Thank you all for the help

[lunar hawk]

||I'm sure they can dry clean it||

[halcyon olive]

I just finished watching ep 8

[normal orbit]

yeah its the only thing that confused me

[halcyon olive]

I’m speechless

Ngl I shed a tear

[stiff cape]

||So the enclave survived then yes?||

[tardy shoal]

how old is Lucy supposed to be?

[halcyon olive]

Yep

[obtuse siren]

||There is no issue just people being confused that the after the 2177 it shows the nuke emblem for SS, and people assumed it was nuked then which is not what was implied||

[lunar hawk]

||for now||

[stiff cape]

|| God bless the REAL americans God bless the enclave||

[obtuse siren]

||It would be impossible to wipe out the Enclave. There are VIP bunkers all over the US with many conspiracies of others, including places like Denver Airport, for instance.||

[halcyon olive]

Ur Canadian tho

[misty mango]

Canada is part of America in Fallout

[lunar hawk]

It's ok, they got annexed

[halcyon olive]

I’m gonna replay fonv

[brisk hawk]

thing is, ||the fall of SS|| happened either in, or after 2277

[tardy shoal]

so we dont know when the show takes place exactly? if it takes place before NV, then I can understand why people are upset, because ||NCR is supposed to be stronk during the events of that game||

[stiff cape]

||Until suitable governmental continuity for the dominion of canada has been revealed I will support the enclave against the savages of the wasteland||

[brisk hawk]

2296

[obtuse siren]

We know, 2296, FONV took place in 2281

[misty mango]

||So 15 years and the NCR is in shambles, which isn't too unbelievable||

[obtuse siren]

||As for NCR being strong, no, it wasn't it was on their backfoot while the legion was invading. The president of the NCR was assassinated even during the events of New Vegas.||

[tardy shoal]

okay, so... the SS nuke dropped after 2281, meaning the arrow between 2077 and the mushroom cloud on the chalkboard represents at least 4 years

[brisk hawk]

|| on both sides, not one |

[misty mango]

Fixed sorry about that

[brisk hawk]

we don't know

[stiff cape]

|| So where is the New californian republic I thought they controlled the entire californian coast||

[tardy shoal]

yeah I think that makes sense

[brisk hawk]

all we know it's in or after 2277

[tardy shoal]

[obtuse siren]

||They had collapsed, there are pockets of Rag Tag groups with season 2 hinting at a strong force of them in New Vegas.||

[stiff cape]

||Good||

[halcyon olive]

She could be pregnant in season 2

[obtuse siren]

||You saw at least two Arizon Rangers/ NCR Ranger remnants who were on their own int he show to.||

[lunar hawk]

Please remember to use spoiler tags

[halcyon olive]

O mb

[stiff cape]

|| Is barv a man or woman||

[lunar hawk]

||They're Barv||

[tardy shoal]

barv lol

[halcyon olive]

How spoiler tag

[stiff cape]

||

[lunar hawk]

|| on both sides of spoiler

[tardy shoal]

||your spoiler||

[unkempt saffron]

wtf is canon?

[obtuse siren]

||I will say the actor they got to play Robert House was a dead ringer.||

[stiff cape]

Sweet they go west

[lunar hawk]

In fiction, canon is the material accepted as officially part of the story in an individual universe of that story by its fan base.

[tardy shoal]

a type of camera

[lofty prairie]

||So, about three vault, does anyone figured it out what kind of social experiment they have been conducting?||

[quaint fjord]

I did everything in my power NOT to ||nuke the NCR in Lonesome Road, and still it happens anyways 😦 my immersion ||

[halcyon olive]

||like this?||

[stiff cape]

|| What about the mormons of new canaan do they still exist||

[lunar hawk]

If it's not in the show, we don't know

[obtuse siren]

||They explain it. It was a breeding pit.||

[stiff cape]

I hope we get to see them

[halcyon olive]

||so will Lucy be pregnant in season two or not||

[lunar hawk]

||Probably not||

[obtuse siren]

||She got stabbed in that area it's unlikely.||

[halcyon olive]

Oh yea

[tardy shoal]

well vaults 32 and 33 being ||controlled by the pre-war, cryogenically frozen occupants of vault 31|| is somewhat of an experiment too

[lofty prairie]

Ahhh... I forgot the details.... Thanks my friend.

[tardy shoal]

to be fair, ||she got stabbed in the gut and she took her fair share of rads||

[maiden bough]

Hello everyone! Glad to be here! Ep 1 was amazing 🙂 CONGRATS

[lofty prairie]

||You know, as far as we know, every vaults are experiment except 0,3, 8, 13 and 76||

[brisk hawk]

every one aside from control ones

[stiff cape]

Im almost done ep 2 Im liking the show so far

[obtuse siren]

||They explain that too in the show. Straight up say it was a compromise the experiment in the end was to see who would survive whatever crap the companies would throw at them in a overly insane bet.||

[lofty prairie]

yep

[maiden bough]

lol almost all of this chat is spoilers

[halcyon olive]

|| what happed to the guy who got turned into a ghoul||

[maiden bough]

I think I’m gonna stay away for now! lol

[obtuse siren]

||We don't know he ran and that's it||

[tardy shoal]

which one?

[halcyon olive]

K

[brisk hawk]

||Cooper||?

[ivory halo]

||but if the wrong Vault works, don't worry, we'll just nuke them back to the stone age||

[tardy shoal]

ohh yeah ||he ran, didn't wanna mess w the BOS as a ghoul||

[halcyon olive]

||thaddeus||

[brisk hawk]

||on the run, as BoS would kill him||

[lofty prairie]

||Speaking of him, he was really a Hollywood role model during pre-war, and no wonder he's good... I mean he actually served.||

[tardy shoal]

I wanna know what the ||junkie doctor is gonna do with the fusion core||

[tepid stirrup]

I wish we had learned more about the people in ||Vault 32 going insane and killing themselves and each other ||

[obtuse siren]

||He was talking about the BoS that got turned into a ghoul not Cooper Howard, aka The Ghoul.||

[lofty prairie]

ohhhh. Sorry.

[tepid stirrup]

Probably blow himself up lmao

[tardy shoal]

yeah I was wondering about this too, ||how did they find out about Management??||

[brisk hawk]

whatever you need 'em for

[obtuse siren]

||They found out the truth that they were there to be Brad's breeding stock.||

[tardy shoal]

how lol

[tepid stirrup]

Yeah but that’s still a pretty drastic step to take in response

[shadow sedge]

Just finished the show, and AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!!!!!!!! It’s so good

[obtuse siren]

||Some of the people were vault 31 aka pre war trusted vault tec employees and most likely were trying to stop the 32 residents from trying ot escape and of course the analogy is rats in a maze wille ventually eat themselves.||

[stiff cape]

Im on episode 3 now. god bless the enclave

[tardy shoal]

yeah for real, they ||died trying to escape too which makes me wonder if they were poisoned or something. Many of them died strangling eachother, stuff like that. One died with a blow torch in his hand trying to cut through the vault door.||

[tepid stirrup]

||I was thinking they must be drugged by something too. Like they even killed the children horribly. That’s dark. ||

[lunar hawk]

Spoilers people

[wary bramble]

Oh here's where you all are! Did we have a binge session room after? 😂

[obtuse siren]

||Not really, remember vault 11.||

[shadow sedge]

I’m not gonna lie, I was mad on the fence about this show

[brisk hawk]

@tardy shoal ||every Vault can be open from the outside if you have a Pip-Boy||

[obtuse siren]

I started watching with a friend on premiere and binged till 4 in the morning.

[tardy shoal]

speaking of 32's door, I guess ||it's possible to open vault doors from the outside,|| which before I would've said isnt possible

[tardy shoal]

ah ok

[shadow sedge]

But holy moly, I was blown away by this show

[tepid stirrup]

I’m on my second watch. Already finished it once but was too excited to absorb everything.

[obtuse siren]

||This was literally explained too, they had Rose's Pip-Boy so could access the control panel.||

[tardy shoal]

I know||, emergency protocols etc,|| I'm just asking if it was possible BEFORE the show

[tepid stirrup]

Tell that to the raiders in my Fallout Shelter vault 🤬

[obtuse siren]

||We open every vault in Fallout 4 with our pip-boy.||

[stiff cape]

|| It sounded like vault 33 and 32 were connected||

[tardy shoal]

come to 76, no baddies in your vault

[shadow sedge]

||I lost my mind when I saw not only human house, but big MT as well, and Vegas, OH MY LORD VEGAS!|| <final episode spoiler

[brisk hawk]

or Lone Wanderer in Fallout 3, Courier in NV, Sole Survivor in 4

[wary bramble]

Good going! There's so much to take in, they've really paid homage to the games in every way. I'm just hitting ep03 now

[obtuse siren]

||Vault 31, 32, and 33 are connected.||

[shadow sedge]

Is it confirmed if there’s a season 2?

[tepid stirrup]

I just saw it was added to GeForce now which I have been begging for

[stiff cape]

||I mean like physically||

[brisk hawk]

pretty much it was renewed

[wary bramble]

It released 2am here, I watched the first episode then crashed

[obtuse siren]

||Yes, physically. There's a walk way.||

[shadow sedge]

||Yes||

[shadow sedge]

Let’s goo!!

[obtuse siren]

Yea the haters tried their best but the reviews are overwhelmingly positive 😄

[lofty prairie]

||Do they teach sex education in the vault and BoS? cause that conversation in Vault 4 was too straight for me..🤣 ||

[wary bramble]

Because it's awesome

It really brings the fallout world to another level imo

[brisk hawk]

pretty sure BoS focuses on fighting skills

[lofty prairie]

we all know who's the executive producer for the show.

[brisk hawk]

our god and savior, Todd Howard

[tardy shoal]

mfw waiting for West World Season 5

[brisk hawk]

lol

[lofty prairie]

🤣

[wary bramble]

Godd Howard

[tardy shoal]

it just works (for real this time, rare Todd W)

[shadow sedge]

||I wonder if when we get to Vegas, if it will be proven that house is the cannon ending, because there’s definitely an established actor for house|| <final episode spoiler

[brisk hawk]

they can also go the Deus Ex route

[tardy shoal]

yeah right like is this saying ||yes House is alive or not||

[brisk hawk]

as in: every ending is canon

[tardy shoal]

[obtuse siren]

I think my only disappointment is ||we didn't get Ron Perlman voice over||

[shadow sedge]

||I’m just saying it’s a possibility ||

[brisk hawk]

as in: they take parts of all of 'em

[tardy shoal]

https://tenor.com/view/michael-scott-the-office-uh-oh-no-gif-12741203

[shadow sedge]

Embrace it

[shadow sedge]

||What do you mean by that?||

[wary bramble]

Seeing that Matt Berry was playing Mr handy at the end of ep01 was great as well, love that dude

[tardy shoal]

I absolutely treasure that man, it makes me so happy to see him throughout

[tepid stirrup]

He’s so good. And such a great voice.

[brisk hawk]

in Deus Ex Human Revolution you had to choose what to do, and Mankind Divided followed by basically taking all of the choices as canon, merging them lol

[wary bramble]

Right, to see him in a show about my favourite games was just perfection

[tardy shoal]

everytime I forget something from now on, it's gonna be ||"my temporal chip is malfunctioning, it's been at least a week"||

[shadow sedge]

||I don’t think we can both have a legion and NCR courier ending, due to the fact that the side you don’t help gets kick out of the area||

[brisk hawk]

that's why I said parts of them

[tepid stirrup]

I love the way they did Lucy’s appearance so you can actually see ||a difference when she’s been exposed to a lot of rads||

[brisk hawk]

and be real, no one sane sees ||Legion|| ending as canon

[tardy shoal]

we're gonna need... a detailed canonical timeline spanning 200 years

[shadow sedge]

Anywho, ||did anyone else get insanely hyped when they say big MT I’m the VT meeting?||

That’s a final episode spoiler btw

[wary bramble]

Just waves of nostalgia every time a track from a game plays

[shadow sedge]

So true, I had a ratatouille style moment when I heard “tickled pink”

[wary bramble]

I'll keep an eye out for that

[quaint fjord]

God Save the NCR 🫡🥲

[tepid stirrup]

I didn’t notice my first watch but now on my second I thought it was neat detail

[stiff cape]

I like how there are trees and nature in the show

[shadow sedge]

There’s a lot of little details that a awesome about the show

[cyan tapir]

Anyone have any info on when the vault 33 gear will be back in stock?

[cyan tapir]

For real. Seeing people lose it about a timeline that destroys NV that actually didn't even do it is so funny.

[shadow sedge]

||Oh also anyone else losing their minds over the fact that they dropped the bomb shell that VT may have dropped the bombs!?||
Final episode spoiler.

[wary bramble]

So many, even the way they use the decayed houses, almost an exact replica of the show. I hope it all crosses over to non fallout fans and brings some new ones in

[quaint fjord]

I do wonder how far east they’ll go, wonder if the legion is still standing

[brisk hawk]

||wasn't that the most popular theory?||

[tepid stirrup]

Honestly that made more sense to me than other explanations

[stiff cape]

|| Thats commie lies everyone knows the chinese red menace dropped them||

[shadow sedge]

||One of them, but it was just speculation so to get some soild proof is just crazy||

[wary bramble]

I gotta stop typing and start watching properly 🧐

[shadow sedge]

True I never bought into the ||“PAM dropped the nuke theory”||

[hard ridge]

Cherry tomatoes??? Really??

[obtuse siren]

||There wasn't a maybe. They did. Even confirmed in Fallout 3 since the bomb has a Vault Tec logo.||

[shadow sedge]

Ehhhh, ||Cesar is most kill dead no matter which way you slice it||

[brisk hawk]

||he had a brain tumor, so||

[shadow sedge]

||True, but again china or America seemed like more viable options||

[tepid stirrup]

Nah. ||Capitalism nukes is the true destroyer of nations.||

[obtuse siren]

||Even stated that China and America were in peace negotiations and the big corps were about to lsoe money if the war was not continuing, vault tec about to lose out on their big money investment in vaults. It was in their best interest basically.||

[shadow sedge]

||Yea but then there’s the ending where it gets removed but bro was like 60-70 years old in NV (I think) and seeing how they don’t use medicine it’s likely bros dead||

[cyan tapir]

✌️

[shadow sedge]

True!

[brisk hawk]

he was an idiot anyway

[obtuse siren]

||Canonically Caesar dies from his brain tumor regardless, and the Legion falls apart without him.||

[shadow sedge]

True

Also that was a joke,|| I don’t not like Cesar||

[tepid stirrup]

I love how every out throughout the show is just lugging this ||head|| around instead of just ||cutting the thing out of the head|| 😂

[shadow sedge]

Actually wait that’s a really good point

[obtuse siren]

That's very Fallout.

[tepid stirrup]

I hope he died on March 15th.

[shadow sedge]

||Load up NV, sleep till march 15th, kill him with a knife the the achievement, to easy||

[cyan tapir]

Does my stuff just not show up on these servers?

[obtuse siren]

||To make it true to the story of Caesar, you have to stab him in a very sensitive spot.||

[tepid stirrup]

23 times

[obtuse siren]

Yea, but Brutus well he did a low blow

[shadow sedge]

https://tenor.com/view/slam-table-28stab-wounds-connor-dbh-detroit-become-human-gif-17801169

[blissful zenith]

https://tenor.com/view/fallout-prime-video-bethesda-brotherhood-of-steel-power-armor-gif-12786921429865246493

[silk tide]

Just reached the ending. ||I don’t think they retconned ANYTHING about Vegas lol. Ulysses mentioned the tunnelers were coming etc I think that happened to Vegas and why it’s in shambles. I mean what was the expectation? Overseer rolls up to the strip and starts the avengers initiative with House? Lol||

[hardy star]

the shows good👍🏻

[tardy shoal]

b-b-but the ||chalkboard says 77||

[quaint fjord]

How do y’all think the enclave is doing/where they are? Last we heard from them it was just the remnants in Vegas. I was thinking maybe Arcade Gannon is with them? Albeit a bit older lol

[obtuse siren]

||Don't make me tap the sign, and the fact there was ana rrow in betwen 77 and the nuke meaning time passed :P||

[tardy shoal]

we see the ||Enclave, that's where Wilzig is working before he bails with the doge||

[silk tide]

||Shady Sands is literally said to be the former capitol in New Vegas lol||

[tardy shoal]

why is it so fun to apply this level of scrutiny to a TV show

[obtuse siren]

||There are many VIP bunkers throughout America so there are more pockets of Enclave than we know in the few bits we've seen. You got multiple bunkers up and down the eastern seaboard for instance.||

[lunar hawk]

Welcome to fandom, my friend

There's a reason people have written college level disertations on their favorite series for decades

[quaint fjord]

Idk how to feel. ||NCR is shattered but the Enclave is re-emerging|| both my two favorite factions haha

[tardy shoal]

the only other show I'm like this with is Venture Brothers and I guess West World, it's incredible how faithful Joy and Nolan have been to the source material

[obtuse siren]

||The NCR was in full collapse by the end of New Vegas, the president had been assassinated and the Legion had put them on their back foot. The implication is that the NCR might be held up in New Vegas but they are also implying Mr. House is alive too.||

[quaint fjord]

I assassinated Caesar, Kimball isn’t allowed to die 😠

[obtuse siren]

||even if you save him his vertibird is still destroyed. Implying he was assassinated. The Legion falls apart though once Caesar dies due to his brain tumor.||

[silk tide]

||My interpretation of the strip is that either the tunnelers overran the NCR & Strip OR Strip & NCR fought against each other.||

[quaint fjord]

In my Vegas play through the NCR was anything but collapsing it was kickin legion *ss. But I know lore wise they were spiraling towards collapse. || I’m just sad to see it actually happened. ||

[obtuse siren]

||They overextended themselves too much not enough resources to cover what they were doing. Basically they moved too fast.||

[stiff cape]

||Why does cooper remind me of ronald regan||

[lunar hawk]

Please don't try to get around the profanity filter

[obtuse siren]

||Probably because Reagan was a western actor.||

[stiff cape]

My three favourite factions are the enclave, institute and new canaan

[quaint fjord]

Doesn’t help the NCR congress was a beurocratic poop-show

[true badge]

Im loving the reverence the directors/producers have given to the source material. Fallout is definitely an unusual marque in the gaming world, it enjoys a combination of detailed lore, sadistic and masochistic story, coupled with comedy, strong familial emotion and for me, most importantly, diverse premise of humanities potential for greatness and depravity. The TV show, after the two episodes I’ve seen so far, is definitely looking to embody that, and I thoroughly enjoyed those 2 and a quarter hours 😄

[unkempt saffron]

Build a better filter!

[true badge]

There are only two factions that matter in the Fallout universe, Vault Tec, and Little Lamplight. Im hoping a future series of the TV show ends up working the FO3 realm, it would be a fantastically dark series to watch.

[silk tide]

I hope this is the actual explanation and not ||Vault Tec nuked them like Shady Sands||

[obtuse siren]

||Vault Tec did not nuke Shady Sands. Hank did once he found out what Rose was up to.||

[silk tide]

||Which was cold fusion right||

[tiny eagle]

THANK YOU for this show! I loved it!

[quaint fjord]

I can imagine once ||Shady Sands was vaporized, some Brahmin Barron tried to take over the presidency/congress, and it didn’t work out too well and the NCR fell to civil war. ||That’s my speculation.

[obtuse siren]

||He found out that Rose had discovered the world was not a compeltely irradiated hellscape, that people were still alive up there, and that he was not who he claimed to be and the real reaosn for the Vault's. She also found out that he had the codes for the cold fusion system but they needed the actual reactor as well.||

[true badge]

Not joking about the FO3 visitation though, would love to see centaurs and so on. I do love how the show ||essentially embodies Megaton with its trading town, kinda wish they’d gone further in to the megaton lore in a way, or at least the locales version of it, you know there would be worshippers of Atom, especially if this is West Coast, surfing priests of atom!||

[stiff cape]

|| So there are anti feralization drugs avalible?||

[quaint fjord]

That’s another thing I caught onto, like what!?!? 🤣

[obtuse siren]

||The implication is that ghouls have to take a drug regularly to avoid degeneration into feral ghouls.||

[silk tide]

Can’t wait for this not to be touched on at all in any future fall-off game

[stiff cape]

||Perhaps necropolis had scentists working on it||

[silk tide]

||You know what Necropolis makes sense actually||

||I have an extreme fear that they’re setting up the Boneyard to be Vegas 2.0 though||

[obtuse siren]

||No they aren't. They left the boneyard already and the end of the show literally is a cut away of New Vegas.||

[lunar hawk]

Again, please remember to use spoilers

[quaint fjord]

Well, the || NCR sure didn’t go quietly, || I’ll give them that :/

[quaint fjord]

Was getting there good sir

[stiff cape]

|| Also why is cooper eating and drinking||

[obtuse siren]

||Habit. He said he couldn't taste it.||

[lunar hawk]

||Probably just force of habit||

[true badge]

Just a thought, something I havnt done myself yet, perhaps folk using spoiler tag could put ‘episode number hashtag’ before their spoiler tags, so people know if they should read it or not. I would have used the hashtag symbol, but I swear, on my ipad, i cannot work out what key it’s on!

[silk tide]

||For future games/activities I mean. What with the entire skyline coming to life with cold fusion and whatnot.||

[obtuse siren]

||Ghoul's do things they remember. They believe keeping a rote routine going helps to stave off going Feral in the end. No one know show it fully happens, of course, so the ghouls are just guesisng as much as anyone else.||

[obtuse siren]

||We won't know what happens. We end with the Brotherhood in control of the reactor, and knowing their habit of cataloguing and locking it away we will not know what happens until season 2.||

[true badge]

The alternative is to ask Lunar to get multiple sub channels created, saying Episode 1, 2, 3 etc. But I dont want Lunar to have more work to do 😄

[silk tide]

Thank Christ they actually did big things lore wise though. Not elaborating but thank Christ

I was so worried it’d be a stagnation where nothing changes except in like a 100 mile circle

[true badge]

Ive only watched 2 episodes, and I think they’ve done very well at that point as far as lore is concerned ||granted the vaults opposing each other is a bit no no, I get it from the perspective of the TV shows method, they have to get people other than game fans watching and it works from that perspective||

[obtuse siren]

||The vaults being opposed is not a no no. All the vaults are in isolation from each other. In fact it explains the whole insane experiments thing and their real purpose.||

[true badge]

One thing I like, definitely some very LMAO moments, which is absolutely required in a show where the primary directive is quite dark

[foggy fulcrum]

I do think they don’t outright explain certain Fallout Elements but I think that’s because it’s more expected Fallout Fans will watch the show

[true badge]

Sorry, my bad, I meant ||opposing each other literally, as in two or more vaults being next to each other, not opposing each other existentially||

[fiery oar]

There's no real reason ||two or more vaults couldn't be next to eachother like 31-33 are. I think the shows explains it quite well why they're built that way. So i don't see it as a no no||

[true badge]

I think they did a good job of explaining certain things that non fallout fans will appreciate ||the radroach for example|| and have perhaps left some stuff unexplained to see if their audience is intelligent enough to figure it out. Let’s face it, when we play the games the first time, we have to do the same thing. It may serve future seasons to see how much people get to grips with without constant explanation, which spoils a lot of more recent TV shows (as in last 15 years )

[lusty flame]

How does nuking the ncr and then new Vegas playing out with no one mentioning it make sense in their eyes?

[jovial stone]

simple the tv show takes place after 4 newvegas is before 4

[true badge]

Good point, tbf ||its possible they’d put some vaults next to each as a test system, which, gamers know to be the primary reason for the vaults, but for TV viewers, it wouldn’t make much sense, the only premise being that it would allow them to control progeny.||

[fiery oar]

Its either a mess up on their part or they did mess with the lore.
Both are plausible.

[jovial stone]

thiers alot of time space between

and its kinda simple to fix this

[lusty flame]

No they nuked it before new vegas from the drawing on the chalkboard

[jovial stone]

nuked where

[lusty flame]

I remember them, mentioning that they asked obsidian to remove a line about San Francisco and California being nuked because they wanted to use it for another location, but it seems like they just went ahead and did the same thing

[true badge]

The nuking happens at the same timeline it always does.

The main thing we need to remember ||is Ben will get everyone back to the Island!|| 😄

[jovial stone]

ok then just make the events take place a couple of years before the tv show

simple as that

[unkempt saffron]

|| I don't know how much more of the dog scenes I can stomach in this show - they do not treat dogs very well ||

[lusty flame]

No, they should’ve made it happen after the TV show because new Vegas doesn’t say anywhere about Shady Sands being nuked even if you use a mod that restored cut dialogue the secure in Vegas will say that Vegas is the sixth state of the new California Republic

Or after new Vegas I mean

[fiery oar]

The chalk board is interesting. As it shows ||Shady Sands collapsed in 2277, which people have taken to mean it was nuked in 2277 which is possible. But it can also mean it was nuked at some point after 2277, though the fact they wouldn't date that like they did with everything else is odd||

[tardy shoal]

||it was not nuked in 2277||

||it was nuked later. NCR falls in 2277, time passes, then SS gets bombed||

[stiff cape]

||Which side are you on! Most important vote of your lives should the vault dwellers of vault 33 kill or rehabilitate the savages||

[jovial stone]

wait great idea what if the town that our main protag was in was akin to the town in indiana jones

[lusty flame]

Either way, even if it is true, I don’t consider the story Canon, at least the NCR part

[jovial stone]

sort of like a fake town

[fiery oar]

Very possible, my only real gripe with that is the lack of a date. Everything else on the board was dated, except for the ||nuking||

[tardy shoal]

I mean it's more than possible, that's how it is, which is why the people saying NV isnt canon are simply wrong
you are right though that we don't have an exact date - just sometime between 2277 and, what was it, 2296?

although I do think it has to be after 2281 as well given the events of NV

[jovial stone]

hang on a second new vegas takes place 4 after 2277

[obtuse siren]

Bad news, the TV show is canon

[lusty flame]

To me, it makes sense that the NCR would take over new Vegas because they wouldn’t just let house run the whole area. I can’t see a single person taking over the whole area.

[jovial stone]

this is fallout anything can happen

[lusty flame]

Headcanon

[jovial stone]

4 years is still a year

[fiery oar]

I don't think i would go as far as saying people who think NV could potentially be not canon are wrong, we simply don't know.
These details could be elaborated on further by Todd at some point but until then there's no confirmed answer.

[foggy fulcrum]

Nope, officially

[tardy shoal]

correct

||2277 - NCR falls||
||2281 - events of NV||
||at some point between 2281 - 2296ish, SS gets bombed||

[obtuse siren]

The show is actual official Fallout lore canon.

[lusty flame]

Well, you can have your own head cannon a lot of people do

[tardy shoal]

yeah I think it's hinted that ||they're still around in some capacity but I dont think we've really seen them at all. Unless Moldaver is de facto NCR||

[fiery oar]

Very plausible, but hard to say for certain until we get more info or simply confirmation on theories.

[tardy shoal]

Idk what you mean what more confirmation do you want

it's not a theory

[obtuse siren]

It's literally spelled out for you there that's fairly concrete

[fiery oar]

||Confirmation on when Shady was nuked.||
We don't have any concrete dates on when it was. Besides going off of 1 spot on a chalk board that is conveniently not dated.

[lusty flame]

Yeah, cause I know house can set up a deal where they sell the water to them from Hoover dam which I guess could be a more peaceful option. That way house is still there but I doubt they would let that go. They better at least explain the lore behind it Because they wouldn’t be fighting that war, if they’re already fallen back in the California

[tepid stirrup]

Does it matter exactly when?

[fiery oar]

Very much so as it could mess with lore if it happened earlier than 2281

[tardy shoal]

I wanna know exactly when too but for now the best we can do is ||between 2281 and 2296||

nah we know it didnt happen before 2281

hence the events of FONV that precede the setting of the show

[obtuse siren]

Given Maximus age in the flashbacks, I would wager that the nuke went off no earlier than 2284.

[tardy shoal]

yea I'm curious how old Max and Lucy are exactly

[tepid stirrup]

Well we know Lucy was 6-7 so

[lusty flame]

Also Todd Howard did say he doesn’t want the show to confirm for any of the games so that still leaves the possibility the NCR would be there too

[obtuse siren]

Actually he said he didn't want the lore to interfere with anything potentially happening in Fallout 5, which means more East Coast stuff.

[lusty flame]

I’m pretty sure he said both Besides, if they were doing another East Coast, fallout, it wouldn’t mess with the story that much because fallout four didn’t

[tepid stirrup]

I think we should do Fallout Florida. Imagine the stuff the Everglades could cook up with some rads.

[true badge]

Fallout London….imagine what rads could do to our cooking 😄

[tepid stirrup]

You mean like add some spice?

[obtuse siren]

You got a lot of hte east coast left, also middle american too

Fallout Tactics has pretty much been retconned so seeein gif they do something with Colorado, Cheyenne Mountain, Dogtown,e tc would be interesting.

[north herald]

||NCR are likley still alive, the SS NCR group are likley just survivers and the rest of the NCR are just all over the territory, looking to get revenge on the brotherhood||

[obtuse siren]

I would love to see a Fallout based around Fort Campbell and Nashville to, since Fort Campbell was one of their nuclear bases.

[north herald]

Maybe but it's iconography isn't great enough

[ebon oracle]

||I hope New Vegas is still intact as a civilization||

[tepid stirrup]

I mean… Fallout Disney World would be amazing.

[obtuse siren]

That was Nuka World

[tardy shoal]

I heard that game is coming out in 2025, GT something?

[north herald]

That may be why we saw so little of the NCR and the lack of Enclave or Leigon

[tardy shoal]

model oops entered my CAD command in chat instead of command window

[north herald]

Since i think it will be set in San fran and around the area in cali i don't think we will see any Leigon either

[stiff cape]

I want fallout chicago

[obtuse siren]

||We saw the Enclave, the NCR was crumbling in New Vegas, even Kellog mentions this, the Legion fell apart without Caesar this was also in the lore. We saw a ashadowy figure that was the Enclave (aka US government) rep||

[north herald]

|| I think NCR will have a heavy place in Fallout 5 and maybe with the Enclave||

[obtuse siren]

||Every BGS Fallout has been east coast to date, While it's possible I don't think we will see a BGS Fallout n the west coast since there are more military installations towars the east and middle america.||

[ebon oracle]

||* Bombs drop - 2077

• Fallout 76 - 2102
• Fallout 1 – 2161
• Fallout Tactics - 2197
• Fallout 2 – 2241
• Fallout 3 – 2277
• Fallout: New Vegas – 2281
• Fallout 4 – 2287
• Fallout TV show – 2296||

[north herald]

||Well what did Todd not want them doing since it would be in Fallout 5||

[tardy shoal]

is FO76 not in an alternate reality? thought it wasnt canon given the BOS being around waaaay too soon, etc

[obtuse siren]

||Everything in the show was about the west coast, there was no east coast brotherhood, no institute, only a brief mention of the commonwealth, no appalachia, no mention of the cpaital wasteland or any thing east coast related, didn't see any super mutants, and only a brief glimpse of a death claw skull. New Vegas was heavily implied will be the shows next stop in Season 2.||

[daring plover]

I hate to be this guy but could someone explain the fallout nv retconn situation for me bc I saw it this morning and I was rlly confused so I thought I should ask here 💀

[ebon oracle]

||It is canon with these events according to Emil.||

[north herald]

Emil Pagrillarlou said NV is cannon

[foggy fulcrum]

Not just Emil but Fallout 25th Anniversary post listed 76 as official canon

[north herald]

I can get the tweet

[obtuse siren]

76 is canon

[obtuse siren]

Yes, NV is canon too. No one was arguing that either

[tardy shoal]

so FO76 retconned the earliest existence of the BOS, canonically

[north herald]

People definitly were thinking that Bethesda Reptconned it

[daring plover]

Ok that's good to hear. I saw ppl getting mad on Twitter ab which drove me down the rabbit hole w had lot of the spoilers and got rlly confused lol

[obtuse siren]

that's because there haters out in force trying their best to claim this TV show is not lore accurate or disrespects fallout some how or any other wild conspriacies

[silk tide]

||Not sure how I feel about Vault-Tec being the influencing factor behind the Great War. It was something I didn't like in the cancelled fallout movie. I don't like it here. I feel like it dilutes the original messaging of the series and is extremely ironic when it's funded by one of the largest companies on the planet that has its fair share of human issues||

[obtuse siren]

||It's been implied since a long time now, especially since at least Fallout 3. The bomb in Megaton has a Vault Tec logo on it, after all.||

[north herald]

||Does it?||

[fiery oar]

Indeed it does

[north herald]

I am gonna need to see this

||oh it does||

[silk tide]

It's not the ||VT logo. Looks similar tho||

[lusty flame]

Yeah

[stiff cape]

You know whats a small thing I like

The different opening title designs

[obtuse siren]

New things in shows lately. I know One Piece did that, I think THe Last AIrbender too

[stiff cape]

never saw either

[obtuse siren]

should watch them too they are quite good

[tardy shoal]

I really like that too. Invincible had a neat take on title cards where the open for each episode ended in the word “Invincible”

[ebon oracle]

||Is the dog ok? I'm too scared to watch the series. Please tell me the dog did not die.||

[dry sparrow]

||the dog is ok, and survives||

[dry sparrow]

||it was always up in the air about who dropped the first bomb iirc, at least we get a decent answer that doesn't blame a government||

[ebon oracle]

Yay! Now I will watch it tomorrow when I get on a plane to go on vacation to Mexico.

[indigo magnet]

This show is so good, can’t wait to get home and watch a few more episodes

[tardy shoal]

I need MORE, give me MORE

I just binged the entire thing last night but hey I just got home from work, time to do it again?

[silk tide]

||"It doesn't matter who fired first" was always the more meaningful and better answer IMO||

[digital copper]

It really wasn’t; ||an informed but admittedly unreliable narrator in FO2 cited China as firing first and terminal logs at a government facility showing a feed from an automated monitoring system confirmed it, with even the series creators saying that was always their intent years later. Backed into a corner by the US counterassault and invasion and decided to go out with a bang||

[silk tide]

epic spoiler fail

[digital copper]

Oops

[tardy shoal]

https://tenor.com/view/meme-horrors-beyond-our-comprehension-low-tier-god-mods-banned-gif-8530537273735940092

[fiery oar]

Is it really a spoiler fail when the knowledge of China being the ones to fire first has always been the main conclusion. Even stated by Tim Cain at one point.

[dry sparrow]

Tim Cain said it was ||china|| but the actual answer was ||never truly made canon until now|| I guess it's a retcon or the true answer

[fiery oar]

/\

[dry sparrow]

||"Originally, Tim Cain, the co-creator of the first Fallout game, suggested in an interview that China dropped the first nuclear bombs as retaliation for the United States’ experiments with bio-weapons1. But this answer was never formally codified into canon by the games themselves."||

that's from copilot

as is this:

||Now, the Prime Video Fallout series, which is considered canon to the franchise, provides a different answer. According to the series, it was Vault-Tec Corporation that oversaw the dropping of the first nuclear bombs and initiated the Great War.||

[tardy shoal]

so there IS A RETCON
a HA

[hollow oak]

I just saw the first episode

[obtuse siren]

It's not a retcon if it was never official, never mind this has been implied since Fallout 3.

[dry sparrow]

||err not exactly, if it was never codified in to canon by the games, then it's open to be made canon later by the IP holders||

[fiery oar]

It was never considered canon that China dropped the bombs first, but it was the intended conclusion before Bethesda got the rights to Fallout as Tim Cain has stated

[hollow oak]

I really don’t know if I like this series tbh. I hope it gets better but the first episode was just weird

[dry sparrow]

bethesda probably wants to sell games in China

I thoroughly enjoyed it, just binged all 8 episodes

[silk tide]

Wait did ||VT drop the first bomb or simply sabotage movements that woukd've led to the end of the war||

[dry sparrow]

not 100% sure if it's settled on whether or not they ||have written NV out of the canon, as the game referred to Shady Sands, but in the show it was destroyed in 2277, but in NV in 2281 it's still referred to||

[tardy shoal]

||they dropped it||

[silk tide]

||The only reference to Shady is it being the former capitol in a NCR quiz.||

[dry sparrow]

||it's still not technically been codified yet, as it was merely suggested that vault-tech COULD drop the first bomb, theres nothing saying they actually did||

[hollow oak]

The vault section just felt so weird with the jokes and the fact that ||the Geiger counter only began working after a certain point||

[silk tide]

||God I hope they didn't||

[hollow oak]

And the chicken part was just stupid

[silk tide]

||Would maintain the original messaging of the games while not muddying it with overdone and true 'capitolism is bad' messaging that every amazon original pushes these days||

[dry sparrow]

The thing that confuses me is everyone saying ||new vegas is destroyed in the show... it's literally not, you see it at the end||

[silk tide]

||Yeah it's not destroyed, it's in ruins, and it's 2297 anything could've happened. Hell the game gives multiple reasons why Vegas is boned. New Vegas fans are just mad that Hank didn't pull up to the strip and enter a round table meeting with House, the Courier, and the bones of the vault dweller||

[tardy shoal]

||Shady Sands was no longer the capital of the NCR during New Vegas, Sandy Shores is. 2277 marks the beginning of a historical period that saw a decline of relevance and/or power in Shady Sands, which may or may not coincide with the reduction of the NCR from a fully functioning nation-state in 2281 to a post-post-post-apocalyptic band of raiders in 2296, but this itself is not significantly different from the slow collapse of Rome, rather than waking up and being part of an empire one day and a dark age savage the next.||
-from reddit

[silk tide]

||Is the NCR completely fractured and gone or just near Boneyard?||

[tardy shoal]

anyone else been watching in 21:9 / 4k?
I'm assuming it's a creative choice but sometimes they choose to use the whole screen, but half the time it's letterboxed all the way around

[digital copper]

“Sandy Shores” is only ever referenced in a single paragraph from a Wasteland Warfare book which says it’s what Shady Sands changed its name to “after becoming the capital of the NCR” which directly contradicts NV and FO2 which both say it’s still called Shady Sands. Your Reddit source is making things up or misinformed lol

[silk tide]

hate episode 6 for this

||i really hope they at least deal with the ncr or show it intact next season instead of wiping it clean to do some bethesda new faction stuff.||

[stiff cape]

||On ep 5 I must say vault 33 has perfected democracy||

[stiff cape]

||The vaults leading the charge to a more perfect union!||

[silk tide]

||does he know||

[stiff cape]

||Wait shady sands was nuked?||

[fiery oar]

Unfortunately so. The exact date of said ||nuking|| is up for debate though

[silk tide]

https://tenor.com/view/skadoosh-kung-fu-panda-gif-14445662

[stiff cape]

||I did not know that the appalachian vault managed to unify the region||

[north herald]

||The NCR are not just a group of raiders, there are millions of people there. The NCR are probably still very powerful being held up in places like the Hub with their troops. Waiting to get revenge.||

[dry sparrow]

the show seems to be pretty clear that it was ||2277||

[north herald]

Why do people just think 6 million people just got wiped off of a map

[fiery oar]

||The Nuking of Shady Sands has nothing to do with 76 or Appalachia, you'll find out soon enough if you're on ep5||

[dry sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/demons-souls-epic-spoiler-fail-demons-souls-remake-soulsborne-from-software-gif-21960088

[north herald]

||Just fractured near Boneyard, they are most likley still a strong Military Power.||

[fiery oar]

Thats my guess as well. Some others are pointing to the fact it says ||Shady Sands collapses in 2277, with the nuke being after. But the lack of a date on the nuking has me thinking otherwise||

[marble yoke]

||where did Hank get a nuke to destroy it? I suspect he used a nuke from the silos we secured in appalachia||

[north herald]

||Vault Tech facilites, maybe the divide but if he did that he needs help of really powerful people||

[fiery oar]

I guess its a possibility, but i feel like without more info its impossible to say.

[north herald]

||Where do we think Vault tech nuked first, China or the US||

Sorry mb

[obtuse siren]

||US, the eastern seaboard was the first hit, Fallout 4 implies New York then DC||

[stiff cape]

|| I see now they found a vault underneath shady sands||

[north herald]

||So the US nukes china when China didn't even fire the Nukes in the first place?||

[tardy shoal]

||Vault 4||?

[obtuse siren]

||correct, This is called MAD, or Mutally Assured Destruction. Was the nuclear deterant plan during hte Cold War.||

[north herald]

||But wasn't there Chinese Subs that fired Nukes though onto the US?||

[fiery oar]

Eh.....its hard to say more without spoiling more. Better to watch the show in its entirety before getting into a discussion on it that way even more isn't spoiled for you

[dry sparrow]

||2142 - Shady Sands Founded
2189 - New California Republic created
2241 - NCR becomes the largest economic and political power in California
2277 - The fall of Shady Sands
???? - mushroom cloud||

[obtuse siren]

||the Chinese subs launched when they got the order to which they were informed that China had been struck. But there is always nuiance.||

[fiery oar]

The absence of a date on the ||nuking of Shady Sands|| is the main issue.
It can be assumed it happened in 2277 because of the context of the board, but its impossible to get an accurate date right now.

[north herald]

I mean Emil could come in clutch and just tell us all when it happend

[digital copper]

Who ever in the series said they had a population of 6 million XD

[obtuse siren]

||Not really, the board implies after 2277, by the arrow diagram, and going by Maximus age, Shady Sands nuking was no sooner than 2284.||

[dry sparrow]

Games included

||2077 - Bombs drop
2102 - Fallout 76
2142 - Shady Sands Founded
2161 - Fallout 1
2189 - New California Republic created
2197 - Fallout Tactics
2241 - Fallout 2
2241 - NCR becomes the largest economic and political power in California
2277 - Fallout 3
2277 - The fall of Shady Sands
???? - mushroom cloud
2281 - Fallout New Vegas
2287 - Fallout 4
2296 - Fallout TV show||

[north herald]

I remember someone saying that they would have had 5 million +

[marsh egret]

Does the big reveal at the end of season 1, reflect in ALL of the fallout games?

[north herald]

Yes

[obtuse siren]

Yes, it's in keeping if you follow the context clues throughout the Fallout games

[dry sparrow]

it's canon yes, ||meaning at some point by 2296 new vegas has fallen to mostly ruin if the end credit images are to be believed||

[digital copper]

NCR population statistics is one of many things I’ve done deep dives in the lead up to the show as part of my fervent desire to believe the hints about ||the nuking|| were misleads and the only concrete numbers ever given in any official source were ~700k total population during the events of Fallout 2 (when they ran all of SoCal but hadn’t expanded further than that) and Shady Sands having a population of ~7000 at the same time lol

[north herald]

Well if we assume to around the events of Fallout 3 they definitly had over a Million people

I wouldn't be surprised if they had more then that

[obtuse siren]

SS had a pop of 34,000 according to the show.

[dry sparrow]

@marsh egret just write without caps ffs

[north herald]

I would round that to 35,000 but even then

The NCR controlled parts of Baja , the majority of cali, the HUb, Vault city, Parts of San fran, Parts of LA , Parts of Oregan and bits in Nevada

[digital copper]

I crunched some numbers in my head and guesstimated somewhere around 2 million spread across all of Cali by the events of NV, yeah. Which is very small and very spread out considering the size of that territory

[marsh egret]

@north herald @obtuse siren @dry sparrow

🤯

[dry sparrow]

to be fair 15 years is a long time

[north herald]

2 million people in a very organised society are not just going to dissapear and become bandits

The NCR were very advanced and well kept despite some vast issues

Let me get a map up of the NCR territory

[obtuse siren]

NCR were organized but stretch thin. They had already bit fof more than they could chew in New Vegas and were on the verge of collapse thanks to the Legion and the costly fight of Hoover Dam the first time with the Brotherhood.

[dry sparrow]

at least we can be pretty sure despite what some people are saying.. that new vegas (game) can indeed ||still exist within the shows cannon||

[north herald]

I mean yes but still they are not just going to disspear and become bandits

[fiery oar]

It implies after but also implies it could be during 2277 as it has no date attributed to the ||nuking||.
I read it as ||The Fall of Shady Sands, arrow, it got nuked, because of the fact it had no date||

[obtuse siren]

Trooper morale in the NCR was at an all time low, and when the president got assassinated that probably tanked the reset except the most loyal and the downfall was just inevitable

[serene aurora]

||if the next season is set where the ending makes it seem set in, im gonna lose it||

[obtuse siren]

It's fairly clear since each date has an arrow between them

[north herald]

We don't know the cannon ending of Vegas yet

[digital copper]

You say that, ||and yet that's what the show gives us :P Remnants we see are all devolved into some weird cult worshipping a cryo-frozen pre war scientist as a messiah figure who will lead them to vengeance against Vault-Tec, rest scattered to the wastes||

[north herald]

The NCR could of won

[fiery oar]

And yet the last, most important date....doesn't have a date.

[obtuse siren]

They obviously didn't.

[north herald]

Or a Yes Man/House ending in which they still technically win

[obtuse siren]

To be left vague as BGS typically does to not mess with previous game lore

[north herald]

Not confirmed

[serene aurora]

did you guys like the fallout tv show?

[obtuse siren]

Considering we see such a rag tag set up that implies they lost.

[north herald]

We see a rag tag set up since ||Their Capital got nuked and they are the Survivors||

[serene aurora]

||next season would line up with fallout nv 20th anniversary||

[obtuse siren]

Even in that instance ||if the NCR were still strong they wouldn't be rag tag presence near their capital||

[north herald]

||Right you say this and yes you are slightly correct but one reason we don't see a strong NCR presence is due to Bethesdas decision making reguarding of what to do||

[digital copper]

Oh also, implicit retcon of ||Shady Sands'|| location lol

[obtuse siren]

||If that were the case they wouldn't have included the NCR to begin with. The ending of episode 8 also shows destroyed NCR vehciles and troops, so whatever remains of the NCR is scattered to the wind. We even see former ranger sin their veteran ranger garb not even sporting NCR logos.||

[digital copper]

its within walking distance of a radio station which is itself within walking distance of the Hollywood Hills

[obtuse siren]

That isn't really a statement since we don't know the time period between each walk.

[true ocean]

Finished

[north herald]

||They included the NCR since they have screen presence, also that Ranger armor may be scavenged, we don't know if they are actually former Veterain Rangers||

[digital copper]

in all prior appearances it was established as ||built from scratch using adobe above a small aquifer, in the middle of the desert up near Death Valley|| lol

[obtuse siren]

welcome to ||the concept of the passage of time||

[digital copper]

I may be misremembering but I think the inhabitant of the radio station explicitly says that it's "close"

[north herald]

||Also if he is a former Ranger he is not scared of Cooper||

[digital copper]

||towns don't magically move 100 miles south due to the passage of time lol||

[obtuse siren]

||No one said it did move, but differences in scenes do not imply it was a quick walk or jaunt either. Never mind buildings would have changed over time.||

[obtuse siren]

||Being a ranger doesn't mean they wouldn't be scared. NCR Rangers are human and The Ghoul's reputation is also well known.||

[digital copper]

again, this may be misremembering but I'm pretty sure there's dialogue explicitly stating it was a close distance and a relatively short-ish trek from there to ||Shady Sands||

like outright calling it "not far"

[true ocean]

|| Did I miss something, but how is she alive after 200 years||

[obtuse siren]

You're also talking about the world of Fallout that the only means of transporation is the heel toe express so short could be days travel.

[north herald]

||If he is a former Verterain Ranger, he is putting on his Riot gear and making the Ghoul leave or to try and intimmedate||

[ivory halo]

For my money:

This is a fantastic television show that is predicated on a vision of Fallout that I fundamentally disagree with. That leaves me feeling... ambivalent. It's more frustrating to me than if it were just dumb and bad or great and right up my alley, that's for sure.

[dry sparrow]

||i imagine she used a cryo pod at some point||

[north herald]

||Who?||

[marble yoke]

||Moldaver||

[obtuse siren]

||Yea, no. The Rangers are so overhyped as to be laughable, sort of like the Paladin bravery of the Brotherhood.||

[digital copper]

Well, if the world map travel in FO1 is any indication, it's closer to like. A week or more lol. Which fits with travelling through the desert for ~100 miles 🤣

[north herald]

||Rangers were very heavily trained and had heavy NCR loyalty lol||

[north herald]

||Cryopod ||

[lofty prairie]

isnt that the point. To make a type of character role seemingly impressive that it motivates you to like them

[obtuse siren]

||And yet the ghoul's reputation is well known, and the guy was caught out of his riot gear (which wouldn't have done anything against the weapons Cooper was using anyways) and again the ranger's are overhyped, trained yes, but not fearless.||

[true ocean]

|| is it stated, if it is i missed it. Or are we lead to assume thats how||

[serene aurora]

||those were not rangers||

[marble yoke]

||I don’t think it was stated||

[golden sandal]

Just finished the series. I absolutely loved the show! I seen some hate pages online. But the show was flawless in every aspect. Wow

[obtuse siren]

Yea, the haters are easy to identify. Usually running heavily modded Fallout New Vegas, spouting they saw in an article and misquoting Fallout 1 and 2 lore constnatly.

[tardy shoal]

nah it isnt stated
but, she did talk about ||living forever when she was talking with Cooper pre war|| FWIW

[golden sandal]

The action, the comedy, the lore. The lil romance. The twists and turns. All together. I really didn't see a missing spot. I can't wait for season 2.

[north herald]

I love the Fallout TV show, it's actually great compared to HALO

[true ocean]

I like that they went with the ||witcher style intro cuts||

2

||

[tardy shoal]

no
it works like ||spoiler||

[golden sandal]

I wouldn't even compare. It is it's own show for sure. And the options of content are so vast for sequels. Im pumped for it.

[obtuse siren]

Oh it's obvious where season 2 of Fallout is going.

[tardy shoal]

🏠

[golden sandal]

I mean for sure! But after that lmao

[obtuse siren]

The only question is ||which ending of New Vegas will be canonized.||

[tiny saddle]

||Like this?||

[true ocean]

yep

Dyno doesnt like words that are on the block list

[golden sandal]

But basically. I said. The options aren't exactly endless but the options for content for later sequels im pumped to see what makes the cut. Obviously season 2 already has its perfect set up. But after that... I have so many ideas from lore. I'm too excited for season 2 already 👀🤣

[dry sparrow]

more importantly, where fallout 5 is going 👀

idk could be a prequel

[tardy shoal]

at a minimum|| the shop keeper from Filly|| needs to make another appearance

[golden sandal]

I'm seeing death claws and the children of atom. And nukacola raiders 🤣

[tardy shoal]

and I wanna see what happens to that dang ||fusion core||! lol

yo spoilers, first of all
but no, the ||fusion core that the esquire traded to the junkie doctor||

[dry sparrow]

the way they go ||erm... I think you're a ghoul?||

[golden sandal]

Oh right 🤣 okay. Yah its ight. That wasn't really a spoiler but okay. Lol

[tardy shoal]

IMHO yes it is a spoiler. ||Cold fusion is new technology to the fallout universe and it isnt revealed what it is until, what, halfway through?||

[golden sandal]

^now that's a spoiler.

🤣🤣 but ether way. Moving on. Lol im really excited for the later seasons 🤣🤣🤣

There deleted It. No more spoilers.

[true ocean]

If its a plot point, or a "reveal" its usually a spoiler

I should have || reveal . Would have been funny

[tardy shoal]

||I wonder how long Cooper was buried for||

[dry sparrow]

||i imagine he's been burried a few times ||

[true ocean]

||at least a generation, if the guys dad worked with him||

[dry sparrow]

I only said the hit worth with an S

||Knight Titus running from the Yao Guai shouting expletives was one of the funniest things in TV history imo ||

[red forge]

I'm in love with the show... The attention to detail on set design and Easter eggs is phenomenal.

Heck, there's even wasteland vegetation that's in FO76.

[dry sparrow]

I do wonder why ||Ghoul took responsibility for the organ chop shop being ripped up, when he was unconscious outside.. then only stumbled in later to his bounty of drugs||

[tiny saddle]

It’s actually insane how good the costume and set design is.

[tardy shoal]

I get the feeling they insisted on practical effects. Incredible work in that regard, either way.

[tardy shoal]

I figured he just wanted the clout

[red forge]

The opening scene by itself was beautifully done, in the way it was meant to be. Perfectly executed.

[dry sparrow]

the way the vaults look is

[red forge]

And the sheltered cultural attitudes that go with it.

[lofty prairie]

The Oh crap oh crap oh crap scene feels relatable to I think at least one person's playthrough of fallout 4

[tiny saddle]

Yeah. There were times where my brain almost felt like I was just watching someone play a Fallout game, haha.

[tardy shoal]

if anything that's how I felt when I started playing 76, cause they legit spit you out on the surface in front of ghouls and communist bots

[red forge]

There's a particular quote from ||The Ghoul|| that I feel is a call out to ||the awareness of being distracted by side quests from doing the main quest line||. I felt the ouch.

[lusty lark]

||Knight Titus going 'crap, crap, crap' while being chased by that Yao Gui was hilarious 😂||

[lofty prairie]

Lol shoots death claw. does no damage.... Runs off screaming curse words, about sums up my expereince

[red forge]

That scene really did make me wonder if ||they were going to introduce the Deathclaw so soon||

[lofty prairie]

His stamina meter ran out as well

[tardy shoal]

is it the one about ||being constantly sidetracked by 🐂💩||

[lusty lark]

Yep!

[tiny saddle]

Haha, been there too!

[tardy shoal]

I'm bummed we got a ||gulper and not a death claw||
||the gulper was scary and lore-y but come onnnn it's fallout gimme deathclaw||

[foggy fulcrum]

They said they don’t wanna get to the best stuff to soon

[tiny saddle]

||Was anyone else hoping to see some Super Mutants?||

[tardy shoal]

[foggy fulcrum]

So the things we don’t see specifically this season, we’ll likely see in the next season.

[lofty prairie]

||there was a stretcher with a Huge green hand|| rolling by in one scene

[foggy fulcrum]

Which is great because they got me watching this show without even seeing certain things. They did great.

[red forge]

Yep, the ||Wasteland's got its own Golden Rule|| remark.

[tiny saddle]

||You’re totally right! I actually forgot about that part! One of the reasons I hate watching entire seasons of a show in 24 hours, haha. ||

[digital copper]

there was also a wanted poster for a super mutant.... specifically one in the style of 4/76's from West Virginia and Boston, and not the 1/2/NV ones created by the Master :P

[tardy shoal]

the ||Enclave heavy machine gun turret|| has storm trooper accuracy just like in 76! neat

[foggy fulcrum]

I saw that

[foggy fulcrum]

HA! XD

[foggy fulcrum]

And I was like… “Ooooooh I’m so excited!”

[dry sparrow]

Realest line in the show ||"Thou shall get sidetracked by bulls*** every goddamn time."||

[tardy shoal]

everything about this show makes me excited. I'm obsessed atm.

[foggy fulcrum]

Fallout Players in General avoiding the main quest

Like I’m not even kidding where it feels the show was calling out the Players at times with certain scenes and it was like “Did I do that?”

[fervent spear]

side questing across the universe

[lofty prairie]

Iv only played one fallout game though but it was years after it released,

Part of me wants to stay up again but I have stomach bug so I don't think I can handle the low frame rate and player movement at the moment lol

[tardy shoal]

S1 E2 where ||Wilzig stops at the toxic dump, you can hear a Sheepsquatch call off in the distance||

I suppose there's no need to say S1 since there's just the one

[fervent spear]

||another tv series where they "kill off" the best charictor on the first ep||

[tardy shoal]

who ||Monty||?

[fervent spear]

||lucy||

[kind inlet]

Yall already finished it all?

[foggy fulcrum]

Yup, binged it

[fervent spear]

yup. ended up falling asleep about 10 am here.

[kind inlet]

Just finishing the 1st episode myself

[fiery oar]

Binged it the second i could lol.
Got little sleep.....but it was worth it

Only thing that sucks now is that its over

[plush quest]

At least you can be excited for what’s more

[tardy shoal]

https://tenor.com/view/this-is-the-way-bo-katan-kryze-the-mandalorian-the-only-way-the-only-option-gif-22926120

Fallout S2 vs GTA6 for Most Anticipated Thing™ of 2025

[fiery oar]

The next season is already scheduled for next year?

[lusty lark]

I think season 2 might be either late this year or early next year. It's apparently already in production.

[fiery oar]

Eh, def not this year. Usually don't get 2 seasons of a tv show in 1 year

[tardy shoal]

It hasnt been greenlit but Amazon got a very specific tax break to transfer shooting from NY to CA.
...is what I read, anyways

[kind inlet]

Amazon is def becoming a powerhouse of tv

[fiery oar]

Next year is ambitious as well, though that depends on if we get any teaser trailers this year for the 2nd season, if so then it could be likely.

[tardy shoal]

The Boys, Invincible, now Fallout.... Rings was kind of a let down but I mean LotR is huge regardless

[plush quest]

It’s an awesome tv adaptation of fallout and it’s cool seeing the prop department go all out on the aesthetic

[foggy fulcrum]

Hazbin Hotel

[kind inlet]

Should’ve let Amazon have the rights to Resident Evil for a series 😭

[foggy fulcrum]

Halo was also a let down

[astral wadi]

||I don't know how to feel about the finales ending credits until they explain it in season 2 a destroyed New Vegas just doesn't make sense||

[safe dust]

It kinda does with the Tunnelers?

[tardy shoal]

that's on Prime ig but it was made for/by Paramount+ IIRC

[astral wadi]

I completely forgot that Ulysses mentioned that lol

[pseudo ledge]

I can believe Todd Howard fudged up the Fallout timeline. Way to get fans pissed. 😡

[astral wadi]

The person in charge of lore at Bethesda has already posted a timeline and New Vegas is still Canon so is Tactics apparently.

[pseudo ledge]

https://tenor.com/view/wandavision-loki-spider-man-no-way-home-doctor-strange-in-the-multiverse-of-madness-ant-man-and-the-wasp-quantumania-gif-21910923

[pseudo ledge]

So it is a branching timeline?

I hope we'll see more of The Enclave in season 2.

[red forge]

How?

[north herald]

||New Vegas isn't destroyed||

[undone wing]

Would love to see the enclave return, maybe hopefully we’ll see something about the Appalachian Enclave

[astral wadi]

No just a list of all the games and show in their respective places on the timelines except for Brotherhood because Brotherhood doesn't exist.

[pseudo ledge]

||According to the series, Shandy Sands was bombed and the NCR annihiliated in 2277, which doesn't add up to the games timeline, as Shandy Sands and the NCR are still hoing strong at the time of New Vegas, which was set in 2281.||

[astral wadi]

btw #fallout-lore message

[pseudo ledge]

Thank you.

[tardy shoal]

nah, ||Shady Sands collapsed in 2277, Hank drops the bomb on it later||

[north herald]

||NCR are not anhillited, there are most likley spread around the NCR territory with their capital somewhere else.||

Like the HUb or Vault city

[foggy fulcrum]

||I wouldn’t say collapsed, I think 2277 is supposed to be like “Something happened and this was the start of a downward trend that eventually ended with Shady Sands being Nuked.”||

[pseudo ledge]

My bad then.

[astral wadi]

That's what I was thinking or New Reno.

[pseudo ledge]

It's been ages since I played the games.

[north herald]

Or even New Vegas if they won

Also the lack of NCR i bet is due to BGS saying don't add them all since they are doing an NCR heavy story for Fallout 5

[astral wadi]

Yeah but then they would have to State a Canon ending.

[undone wing]

i wonder if they'll retcon one of the new vegas endings and have it so that Mr.House is still alive in the show

[tardy shoal]

true, I was just referring to ||what they wrote on the chalkboard||

[north herald]

They will need to state a cannon ending reguardless (Same for Fallout 4)

[pseudo ledge]

So far, I've only been playing 76 in the past couple of years. Anyway, I totally dig the show's aesthetic. MCM retro-futurist. That's what made me fall in love with the game, when I first played FO3, some 13 years ago.

[red forge]

Yeah this whole thing makes me feel a want for a pre fallout game, but I know that won't happen because technically it won't make sense.

[north herald]

You have operation Anchorage DLC

[red forge]

I'll check into that.

[north herald]

It's in fallout 3

[red forge]

Ok I've not yet really played 3. Been meaning to.

[red forge]

1 small detail I noticed in the opening scene. I nearly missed it.
||The family that were entering their bomb shelter. Despite the other family seeming to be best friends, the father of the birthday boy just upfront pushed away and punched his friend. It's like they went straight into full survival savage mode.||

[teal dune]

||I think they're going to leave it vague whether it's Brotherhood or Minutemen (with BoS alive) at this point||

Which pisses me off to no end

Keep invalidating the little player choice in your franchise, Bethesda, it'll do you so well

||The question is whether or not they're referencing the Commonwealth or just the south east Commonwealth||

[foggy fulcrum]

I think it’s obvious

[teal dune]

I don't

[foggy fulcrum]

I’m just saying I don’t think it requires much to narrow down

[fiery oar]

I doubt they'll keep it vague(Granted they even mention the events that occurred in 4 at all). I feel like 4 implies that the Minutemen ending is more than likely canon.

[foggy fulcrum]

Destroying Brotherhood was always optional btw

[teal dune]

All that awful fiddle music

[fiery oar]

Yup. Canon ending for 4 is almost certainly Minutemen ending with Brotherhood alive

[teal dune]

Could just as easily be BoS ending

[foggy fulcrum]

Better to have the endings narrowed down honestly

[teal dune]

Hard disagree

Invalidating all player choice is not better, it's sloppy

[hazy pelican]

has anyone here binged through all 8 eps?

[teal dune]

Yup

[foggy fulcrum]

Realistically does it matter who wins in each ending? The Brotherhood is still the dominant super power and having someone else do the work for them only makes you do their job for them

[hazy pelican]

I have a question - DM me if u want to chat about the series

[teal dune]

Yes, it does matter

Minutemen ending doesn't leave BoS as the sole hegemon

[lofty prairie]

Part of me wants to play fallout 76 but the first time I played it ingot griefed once leaving the vault so I just said Naw....wonder how the games doing now, also the frame rate made me dizzy

[hazy pelican]

Griefing is super rare now. Just a few times a year usually

[foggy fulcrum]

I’m just saying I don’t believe it matters, either the Brotherhood destroyed the institute or The Minutemen, even the Brotherhood congratulates you for using the Minutemen to do it so they didn’t have to.

[lofty prairie]

Is there a way to turn PVP off now or is that still forced

[hazy pelican]

if you choose passive then you're protected and you can't kill people either except at workshops

[teal dune]

There are major differences, like which flag flies in Diamond City

[tiny saddle]

Give it another shot. It’s seriously the best gaming community ever. People are going to throw gifts at you left and right.

[teal dune]

And whether the Railroad might still exist

Not everything is centred on the BoS perspective

[hazy pelican]

Oh we're talking FO4? yeah it absolutely matters

[foggy fulcrum]

While yes I can understand not having a straight up Canon ending, at the same time… the Brotherhood is still the dominant Super power there

[teal dune]

That is a reach

[foggy fulcrum]

It really isn’t

The Brotherhood has been the dominant power on the East Coast since they defeated the Enclave, the only ones who they deemed remotely enough of a threat would be the Institute

[foggy fulcrum]

It was more on whether it matters whether it was the Railroad ending, Minutemen Ending, or Brotherhood ending that defeated the Institute

[teal dune]

Which it does matter

[foggy fulcrum]

As the Brotherhood is ultimately still benefiting from the Institute being destroyed, someone else doing it for them is not bothersome whatsoever.

[hazy pelican]

I enjoyed playing different story arcs so maybe just from a gameplay perspective it really changes how you approach things so yeah I think it matters for a host of reasons

[foggy fulcrum]

I’m just saying I don’t think the Minutemen winning automatically means they are the dominant Power, same as the Railroad. The Brotherhood by comparison is just way more stacked with Firepower and manpower

[teal dune]

Except the Minutemen end up being the ones in control of diamond city, and get the benefit of being known for defeating the Institute, and potentially have presence at Nuka-World and Far Harbor

Yeah, not important at all

[foggy fulcrum]

But again… can they legitimately beat the Brotherhood? Realistically without the help of the Sole Survivor? Same as the Railroad?

[hazy pelican]

Probably should move this to #fallout-4-chat

[foggy fulcrum]

Sorry for bringing this up, it’s just in regards to the show, which is why I am saying I feel it doesn’t matter which ending, outside Institute matters

They can give it a canon ending sure, but I feel it wouldn’t matter ultimately because the end result is the same in my eyes to where it will ultimately end up

[idle lake]

https://y.yarn.co/9fd220db-d3b8-444f-b753-69ff09adfc59_text.gif

[lofty prairie]

I'ma bought to walk out there with the fresh vault tech Spirit of hope lol

[north herald]

Well they need to cannonise some stuff so it progresses the story

[tiny saddle]

You’ll have fun, I promise! It’s really come a long way. I love the game so much, haha. Great time to jump in too. Free weekend to celebrate the show, so there will be a lot of new players too.

[north herald]

Yea i notied that and i was well ok then

[teal dune]

Canonize some stuff ≠ Decanonize an entire game

[lofty prairie]

Apparently it's going to take over an hour to download 76 lol

[tiny saddle]

Yeah sounds about right. It’s a pretty big game!

[lofty prairie]

I'm here to say one thing, and one thing only. The show was pretty damn good. 🫡 Completely went against all my expectations. At the same time I liked the Halo show since I understood it was a different timeline and anything there doesn't matter for the main one, so maybe my opinion is invalid.

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[weak rivet]

||I know Coop is Vault Boy in the Fallout world, but is Norm the genuine human example of Vault Boy?||

[lofty prairie]

||Besides him fitting what I'd imagine the Vault Boy to look like, small and what not. I feel like the way he acts would be the complete opposite. That doesn't really matter though.||

[spiral light]

|| Norm lacks enthusiasm||

[lusty flame]

||I did notice Mr. house is part of the meeting with vault tec and they are the ones who drop the bombs but in new vegas house said he didnt have enough time to stop the nukes||

[lofty prairie]

||I mean he seems super skeptical and not really agreeing with the whole idea. Just because he was in the meeting doesn't mean he took any deals on or anything like that. Though Vault 21 would contradict this a bit. Oh well, he could have been opposed to some stuff. We'll find out next season hopefully!||

||Actually, running it back a bit. He seems more interested in the $$$$, can't make $$$$ if everyone is dead, can you?||

[tiny saddle]

||I do think we’ll see more of that story next season. ||

[lusty flame]

I hope the season comes fast. I don’t wanna wait too long. Hopefully

[lofty prairie]

Fr, I'm gonna die waiting for something good to watch now. I wish they released each episode normally, on a schedule. I'd have something to watch the next few weeks. 😩 Oh well

[lusty flame]

Same

[tiny saddle]

Yeah. I kind of wish I didn’t watch it all that fast. It’s hard not to though.

[lofty prairie]

Dude, the second I watch the first episode I spent most of my day watching the rest. I'd probably give everything a rewatch just to look out for any details I could have missed now. Jot down everything I see. Hell, I'm in such a good mood about it I could make a few mods related on some stuff I saw. 👀

[tardy shoal]

mood 🔥

[lofty prairie]

My mind is wandering off into all sorts of spaces right now, the curse and blessings of having ADHD and finally being unmedicated. 🙏

[tiny saddle]

I did the same thing. My plan was two episodes a night to stretch it out for a bit. Stayed up all night watching it though!

[tardy shoal]

I wonder if in S2 there will be a time jump backwards ||to watch Vault 32 implode on itself||
It's Nolan and Joy after all, West World's timeline was all over the place!

[weak rivet]

I dunno. You see Vault Boy on the perks page being an animal sometimes. Norms gonna get there.

[spiral light]

||Norm is frozen||

[lofty prairie]

||That's happened so much I wouldn't be surprised if we got looks back into different times. I'm glad there was decent going back in time for the show. I honestly expected just a few minutes of the Pre-War U.S and the rest is history, I was wrong. Honestly I got Oppenheimer vibes from a few of the Pre-War scenes watching Coop go all over the place to the "communist" meeting and what not, it was shot well.||

[lofty prairie]

||Chilling out works too 😂||

[weak rivet]

I will say I enjoy seeing a vault pre-destruction and how it got that way and then exploring one like you find the game. With mysteries and whatnot to find.

[spiral light]

||It seemed pretty obvious Coop's wife described vault 31 so she might still be frozen in a pod near Norm||

[tiny saddle]

||Yeah. I’m thinking that is where she is. ||

[lofty prairie]

||Man this year is gonna be great for me, a total darn modding nerd. Soon the Starfield CK releases (Completely unrelated, I know), HOPEFULLY a season 2 this year... I could only dream though. Hopefully the Fallout 4 update isn't too uh... Damaging, if damaging at all. That's about it, but I find my own fun in doing these stuff. :D I'll definitely make some stuff from the show. Like that one pistol during the Gulper fight, it looks interesting as hell. My true hopes is getting to see more pre-war tech and what not. More stuff for me to make.||

[weak rivet]

S2 probably in 2 years. Lol

[lofty prairie]

Aye, 2 years will be worth it if it's just as good. I'd wait happily.

[spiral light]

||The attention to details was pretty amazing||

[foggy fulcrum]

Man… we are living in an Era where Video game adaptions have started to really become better than they were so long ago

[weak rivet]

Love the Super Market being like a genuine game mission. ||Enter a place, scene change, weird crap happens and you come out with some armor.||

[foggy fulcrum]

The whole show embodies the idea of being a Fallout Player honestly

Where even when the main mission is the end goal, your getting distracted by everything else

[tiny saddle]

||Did anyone else call the number that appears on the screen during the commercial Cooper films?||

[weak rivet]

I like seeing how a vault dweller is supposed to react to the surface world. I think it would make me play tye game slightly different.

The game let's you choose for the most part how to react but I want to see, now knowing how niave but hopeful they are supposed to be, how I might let tye games choice either break or strengthen the characters resolve.

[lofty prairie]

Alright I'm jumping into 76

Is there a fallout 76 chat

Also how do I change to Thrid Person in 76

[broken crag]

#fallout-76-chat If it does not show up in the list, you may need to select "Show All Channels" in the server options

[keen frigate]

||Loved the show, loved that they showed the super awesome ncr veteran ranger armor, and loved that they showed new vegas at the very end||

[digital copper]

No gripes about how it ||renders all your major accomplishments in that game regardless of which ending you went for (but especially if you went for NCR) effectively meaningless?|| :P

[keen frigate]

||That was bound to happen with any story arc. In fallout 3, the elder lives for the game and dies off screen, proven in prydwen terminals. So I can live with that||

[spare trail]

The way the show ||not only nuked the NCR somehow before FNV, but then proceeded to have the fallout 4 BoS storm in to execute the remnants just feels on the nose and disrespectful.||

[tepid stirrup]

||They didn’t nuke them before NV||

[spare trail]

||"Fall of shady sands, 2277"||

[digital copper]

||True, but they did canonize your actions in the story and have them matter going forward. You didn't blow up the citadel, you didn't poison purity, you theoretically didn't blow up Megaton. Killing Lyons between games didn't negate any of your accomplishments and the continued success of the Brotherhood is validation of them, assuming you didn't go with the pointless and shoehorned evil paths.|| :P

[foggy fulcrum]

||Fall of Shady Sands does not necessarily refer to the Nuke event itself but the beginning of Shady Sands Fall, as in a motion of events that sparked it’s fall began in 2277||

[digital copper]

||Whereas here your successes in helping the NCR, or House, or the Legion, or whoever seem... effectively rendered moot. Legion appears to be dead and gone. As is the NCR. The strip isn't at all shining like it used to. You saved the city and delivered it to your faction of choice only for them all to die out or fail anyway.|| Bad taste in my mouth.

[tepid stirrup]

||It couldn’t have been nuked in 2077 because Lucy wasn’t old enough for that to have happened then. ||

[spare trail]

||The show makes no other reference to any other negative events happening to the NCR, all characters reference the bombs being the thing that wiped out shady sands, and as seen in flashbacks shady sands is thriving during the short time between rose leaving and hank glassing three games and the worldbuilding efforts of I don't know how many writers.||

[tiny saddle]

||Yeah, I think 2277 is supposed to mark the beginning of the Mojave Campaign, and their eventual fall. The arrow after it seems to imply it happens sometime after 2277.

I actually think that we will get some dialogue in season 2 to clear this up. ||

[spare trail]

||Every other event on that timeline has a date, except the bombs. Cause it's the fall of shady sands. Yknow, when shady sands fell. Because it got nuked.||

[tepid stirrup]

Except no

[spare trail]

Provide any argument?

[hazy pelican]

||Well we know Maximus was about 6 when the bombs hit and he's about 25ish now so roughly 20 years based on their apx ages and looks maybe?||

[foggy fulcrum]

||The argument many have made is that the Fall does not mean the bomb dropping then and there, that a series of events followed that began Shady Sands fall in 2277, not necessarily enough for it to be destroyed but more certain decisions were likely being made by those in power and eventually in time… sometime in the following years and post NV, it was nuked.||

[tepid stirrup]

||And Lucy was 7/8ish judging by the flashbacks. ||

[spare trail]

Show takes place in 2096 doesn't it

[foggy fulcrum]

No, it takes place in 2296

[spare trail]

Yknow, 19 years after 2277.

Yeah 22, typo

[foggy fulcrum]

14 years after New Vegas, 9 after Fallout 4

Which is ironically the IRL time between those games

[spare trail]

Age lines up perfectly

[foggy fulcrum]

New Vegas released close to 14 years ago and Fallout 4 close to 9 Years ago

[tepid stirrup]

They aren’t going to retcon a whole chunk of the lore and this argument is frankly exhausting and pointless because that’s just not what they did. They aren’t stupid.

[spare trail]

Except they did

[foggy fulcrum]

They clearly paid enough attention to detail because a character mentioned once in the lore from as far back as Fallout 3 was even brought in.

[hazy pelican]

||They could have picked anywhere on the time spectrum but they specifically chose 219 years or whatever for a reason||

[foggy fulcrum]

And it was really such a name you wouldn’t think much of and realize how important that name is

It’s one of those obscure pieces of text

[spare trail]

Except they didn't pay attention ||when they completely character assassinated Frederick Sinclaire. Who didn't work for Big MT. And was an eternal optimist not a mustache twirling evilman.||

Show got a lot right visually, the prop design is great, the cinemetography is great mostly, CG isn't bad. But they really took a carving knife to the setting and lore.

[foggy fulcrum]

Wrong.

||Sinclair was a wealthy businessman with a boastful and egotistical disposition||

[tepid stirrup]

No they didn’t. That’s entirely something you made up in your head.

[spare trail]

Non argument, and incorrect. ||Only person who says sinclair was an egotist was Dean, who was a massive egotist.||

[foggy fulcrum]

||Except the Fallout wiki states he is, so at that point when is he not?||

There is such a thing as Pot calling the Kettle Black ya know

[spare trail]

Cmon man I literally just played dead money last week

[hazy pelican]

||So, did I get this messed up or was Lee Moldaver alive back 200+ yrs ago and somehow survived all this time like the Ghoul? Even though she isn't a Ghoul?||

[spare trail]

Also, again, ||Sinclair didn't work for Big MT he hired them to develop hardlight holograms for him.||

[tiny saddle]

||She was likely frozen in Vault 31.||

[hazy pelican]

||But she wasn't part of Valut Tech mgt team. Why would they freeze her? ||

[spare trail]

Either they'll plothole it or explain in season 2

[digital copper]

Yeah no Jay's right ||Sinclair|| was done dirty. ||The wiki "states that he is [egotistical]" because it's taking Domino's incredibly unreliable recollections and opinions as fact for lack of any other characters or texts giving testimony about his personality; the only other source we have for what he was like is his lovelorn message to Vera AFAIK and IIRC. They also completely changed his appearance and, as pointed out, he had nothing to do with Big MT aside from buying the rights to use some of their tech for casino security.||

[tiny saddle]

||I think that is something season 2 will cover. Could be she was frozen somewhere else too. I’m curious to find out too. Actually wish we got a bit more on her and her group. ||

[spare trail]

I assume in season 2 ||Lucy and Cooper will hook up with McCaran/The NCR Embassy in NV||

[hazy pelican]

||That might be a wish since she's dead now. They really don't need to revisit her since she's no longer important. Maybe it will tie into the "where's my family" line that the Ghouls says cuz his family should be dead...or are they?||

[feral bolt]

If you look at the end credits art work Vegas looks destroyed

[digital copper]

Yeah ||we're probably gonna see an adaptation/reimagining of Van Buren's NCR remnants factions, from when Avellone tried to do this exact same "nuke Shady Sands" plotline. Baggers and Hoover Dam garrison were the ones there.||

[spare trail]

Point being ||Im guessing we'll see NCR holdouts in Nevada||

[hazy pelican]

||I like how the credits shows the next area/episode in a flyover/wormseye pullout. We also have no idea how Hank/Overseer managed a nuke on Shady Sands from Vault 33 so I'm sure that's coming out next season too||

[spare trail]

Side note ||seeing RPKs and BARs next to the big goofy BoS machineguns is weird||

[feral bolt]

Idk tbh maybe the dwellers from vault 76 secured the nuke silos and somehow nuked it

[tiny saddle]

||Yeah, we may not get a ton on her, but we might get a bit since she knew Lucy’s Mother. And like you said, will likely tie into the Ghoul’s family. ||

[digital copper]

probably tying it into 76. ||whole plotline there about Vault Tec seizing control of a series of automated nuclear silos that had the capability to autonomously assemble new missiles.||

[foggy fulcrum]

I mean… Here is my guess… My guess is they considered New Vegas, the base game, to be canon, but didn’t completely disregard the DLC’s and are making them into something different regarding the characters.

[spare trail]

That's just silly

That's like saying disregard Far Harbor and Nukaworld

[foggy fulcrum]

I mean It’s whatever personally if that is what happened.

[feral bolt]

How did Lee Maldiver survive all those years tho am I missing something?

[spare trail]

Plothole currently, probably gonna be explained in s2

[hazy pelican]

we've been talking about this

[digital copper]

Wouldn't call it a plot hole since it's transparently something they must have thought about and are likely planning to explain at a future date :P

Is an intentionally unsolved mystery a plot hole?

[foggy fulcrum]

Idk, tbf I also am not into the NV Hype myself, which is why I am not bothered by the idea some things are changed.

[spare trail]

I also hope they expound upon the ||Enclave in S2, I'm assuming that base was Cheyenne Mountain||

I don't like fallout 4 but I'd be annoyed if it got retconned out of existence

[tiny saddle]

||Yeah. I want to see more Enclave too. ||

[hazy pelican]

||I think its fair to call it a number of things since (A) it's not explained and is ruining the timelines and (B) she's no longer alive so we might never know?||

[weak rivet]

|| Level 12, Jesus christ. ||

[tiny saddle]

||Everyone is mad they were burning puppies, but that one Brotherhood member put a poor dog in a Nuka cooler. The Brotherhood is sick. ||

[digital copper]

I mean imagine if this was being done to whatever your personal favorite entry in the series was. Events of the story and the actions of your hero rendered fully and completely irrelevant and your favorite faction that you led to victory being killed off off-screen :P

[feral bolt]

I really loved the ncr plot line maybe I’m a bit biased cause of my love for the ncr and the classic fallout

[digital copper]

Have a little sympathy.

[foggy fulcrum]

I have some sympathy, but at the same time, this is a fandom where people are never really happy with many decisions

[spare trail]

That seems counterintuitive, ||why would someone who loves the NCR love to see the NCR glassed and wiped from the setting||

[quick coral]

|| holy crap im floored by episode 8 ||

[hazy pelican]

||If everyone is mad about the puppies wait till they realize there were at least 20 kids in the classroom and then a bunch running around the celebration right before the Raider assault and we never see another kid again||

[feral bolt]

Cause it’s interesting to see the biggest faction in the wasteland struggling with issues and fighting to stay alive

[spare trail]

Im also assuming we'll get those not-a-deagles with the long barrel and the underbar in 76

[foggy fulcrum]

But let’s also be real? How many factions truly stand the test of time?

[spare trail]

||They lost that fight lmao||

[tiny saddle]

||I actually didn’t even think about that. Steph’s baby is really the only baby after the assault too. Dang. ||

[spare trail]

Apparently the Brotherhood, I guess

[foggy fulcrum]

As much as I love the Brotherhood, even they will die out one day

[digital copper]

I mean, I like the ||NCR|| but I was also hoping for them to have a collapse of some kind for a long time. Just not like. This intense of one. ||Civil war and balkanization amid a massive wave of civil unrest and resource shortages, sure. Collapse of law & order as the military takes power and factions begin vying for control to decide how the nation will progress, or seeking to break away into their own nations. That would have been fun and satisfied the need to kick them in their nuts and stop them from civilizing the setting too much.||

[spare trail]

Not as far as this series is apparently

[foggy fulcrum]

Some die, some thrive. The Wasteland is unforgiving.

[tepid stirrup]

You see a few kids later on during one of the meetings.

[quick coral]

|| you consider the NCR to be the biggest faction in the wastes? ||

[spare trail]

Doesn't get more intense than ||glassed and executed||

[feral bolt]

I do yes with 700k people in there territory spanning across 3 states

[quick coral]

|| i dunno guys, we've only seen "the original capital" with 36k people || it seems like there's more to it

[tepid stirrup]

||If you only have one town then you aren’t that big of a faction|| 🤷🏻‍♀️

[spare trail]

700k in shady sands, until the show retconned it, NCR had a total population over 1mil, unless the show retconned that.

[spare trail]

Shady Sands, the Hub, Boneyard, Vault City, Redding, Arroyo

[quick coral]

|| we all know that NV isnt really loved by bethesda, is that number mentioned anywhere else? ||

[feral bolt]

I meant in all of ncr territory my bad

[foggy fulcrum]

Can we not please?

[digital copper]

Yeah no you got your numbers wrong chief hate to say it. NCR population stats were one of many things I familiarized myself with in the leadup to the show as part of my cope over the Shady Sands hints.

[foggy fulcrum]

Enough of this nonsense already with Bethesda hating NV, why is this always the idea?

[spare trail]

I know for a fact the NCR had a population over a million

[quick coral]

im not sure how thats some sort of secret, its wildly documented

[feral bolt]

Somewhere around that yeah

[foggy fulcrum]

Yeah no, if they hated NV they wouldn’t reference it in any media past NV

[quick coral]

is NV considered full canon though?

[lofty prairie]

Yes

[feral bolt]

Yes

[spare trail]

Yes, according to a tweet by Emil Paraguilo earlier yesterday

[digital copper]

Shady Sands had a population of ~7k in Fallout 2, IIRC. 700k was the total national population at the same time. No further numbers are provided anywhere in the series; 1 million + is just a fan guesstimate based on the fact that they've grown in the 40 years between FO2 and NV

[foggy fulcrum]

They had no obligation to make NV canon but they did, which shows they aren’t petty as much as people wanna keep throwing it around.

[quick coral]

oh wait is there a time difference?

[lofty prairie]

People need to learn the difference between The Strip getting nuked and a Duotone filter on a CGI ending slideshow

[foggy fulcrum]

Didn’t Francis Sinclair also lock out a woman he loved?

[spare trail]

Out? He built a massive fortress to protect her, and when the bombs hit it went into lockdown

[quick coral]

Thank you for this, "original capital" wording makes a ton of sense in this way

[foggy fulcrum]

I don’t quite know the whole story with him tbc

[spare trail]

Play Dead Money, it's the best story ever told in the Fallout setting

[tepid stirrup]

I think some people just wanted to be mad about the show so they are latching onto anything they can to be mad over even if they make it up 🤷🏻‍♀️

[quick coral]

it certainly seems that way haha

[foggy fulcrum]

I don’t really wanna go back to NV, I already played the main game and I was burnt out

[digital copper]

I'm mad over entirely factual aspects of it thank you very much :P /lh /hj

[quick coral]

oh now im confused haha

[spare trail]

Then don't make statements about Sinclair being an evil egomaniac

[feral bolt]

Idk regardless I thought the show was fantastic

[quick coral]

oh wasnt about my question about shady sands haha, this is something i didnt read up about

some deep cut i prolly dont understand

[foggy fulcrum]

Oh I’m sorry, it’s almost like I hear NV fans get upset over the tiniest thing that didn’t fit in their canon

[spare trail]

His entire charactarization is holding the things he loves too tightly, because of how much he loved them

And he ||yknow, didn't work for Big MT.||

[abstract pagoda]

Gotta take it case by case - If you discount everyone with issues / criticisms as a hater that wouldn't like the show no matter what, then you end up in extremely toxic mindset.

[foggy fulcrum]

Like I’m sorry if I sound annoyed but I have dealt with many elitist NV Fans and It has gotten to the point where anything NV that is challenged by someone else they get mad about

[tepid stirrup]

The show was specifically set in the future after the events of the games so it didn’t mess with any of the canon events that have already occurred.

[quick coral]

ive had ZERO issues with the show, whether you think im not a real fan or whatever because of that, just means you're too sweaty for me haha

[spare trail]

The show then proceeded to mess with canon events that already occured lol

[quick coral]

which ones?

[foggy fulcrum]

But I also just don’t like to look at something as going out of it’s way to break canon because that’s way to easy for people to just state.

[spare trail]

Again nuking shady sands in 2277

[tepid stirrup]

No it didn’t. You can say it as many times as you want. Doesn’t make it true.

[quick coral]

it looked like a big bomb, not a nuke

[abstract pagoda]

Also sorry that was aimed at you Liz, more or less talking to anyone making blanket judgements.

[spare trail]

You're being disingenuous

[tepid stirrup]

It wasn’t nuked in 2277. It was nuked sometime after.

[spare trail]

You're still being disingenuous

[quick coral]

they only showed the library or school or whatever, no?

[spare trail]

No, they showed a massive crater in the middle of the city

[abstract pagoda]

There's apparently a reference to the 'Fall of Shady Sands' that's dated as 2277, and Shady Sands in the show is shown as a giant crater.

[spare trail]

A massive highly radioactive crater yeah

[abstract pagoda]

I think the showrunners just messed up the date honestly, but you could charitably read it as 2277 being a precursor date to the crater and not when the crater was formed.

[quick coral]

|| how do we know the literature that made what you're talking about wasnt perspective and from the cult we saw? clearly they were thriving, and history is documented by survivors?||

[tepid stirrup]

Because then there would be nothing to be mad about.

[quick coral]

there's a lot at play here, it's not like history is perfect

[spare trail]

Occam

[abstract pagoda]

There's a certain amount of reading between the lines here. We can fill in a lot of the gaps with leaps to make stuff make sense - I do it all the time for 4 and 76, but it's usually pretty clear what the creator was going for, whether they're right or not.

[spare trail]

s razor

[tiny saddle]

||Yeah. I honestly think this will be cleared up in the first episode of season 2. I really think it’s meant to make the beginning of the NCR’s downfall. ||

[quick coral]

|| seems like a perfect reason for a aspiring group to rally around :/ || haha

[digital copper]

It was confirmed to be a nuke but Liz has a point, the wording and design of the diagram they show is ambiguous. ||It says "fall of Shady Sands" in 2277 then points to a nuke as though it were the next event, no date attached. Maximus strikes me as being no older than 19-21 and he looks to be about 8-12 in his flashbacks to the day the nuke dropped IIRC, which would put it in the 2280s.||

[spare trail]

We are shown 2277 as "the fall of shady sands" followed by a mushroom cloud, shady sands was nuked, 2277 was 19 years before the show, Maximum who's a young adult was between 4 and 6 when shady sands was nuked.

[digital copper]

I'm pretty sure Lucy gives her age at one point which would help narrow it down further.

[tiny saddle]

I mean, it’s honestly been awhile since I played NV, but isn’t there a lot of hints that the NCR is basically on the brink of complete collapse due to possible famine and a sludge of bureaucracy?

[foggy fulcrum]

||I’m just surprised they remembered the West Tek Scientist Maxson interrogated and killed||

[abstract pagoda]

Yeah, NV leaves a lot of loose threads open that could all spell doom for the NCR, Famine, Drought and Civil Strife are all the basic ones. Nevermind the Tunnelers, Cloud, etc, etc.

[spare trail]

NCR is spread thin. However. 2277 was the first battle of hoover dam. The NCR won the first battle of hoover dam, and proceeded to hold the dam and their Mojave Interests until New Vegas happens in 2281

[quick coral]

|| given the fact that the vault was thriving and had contact with the outside, and that the scientists would have the ability to share their own perspective or propaghanda for orther it kind of makes any "news" you'd see in other games more meaningful || even if it goes against any news you see in the games

[foggy fulcrum]

Did nobody catch this?

[digital copper]

As mentioned way back up, I would have been fine with the civil strife and famine being the cause tbh 🤷‍♂️

[spare trail]

NCR did not collapse in 2277 period, and it definitely wasn't nuked

[quick coral]

I think a lot of people are missing that news can carry differently. anyone ever played a game of telephone?

maybe that's before ya'lls time haha

[raven mural]

Alright folks, let's keep things civil please

[abstract pagoda]

It would be very strange for that one date to be incorrect while all the others are right though.

[tepid stirrup]

Okay. So we aren’t doing jokes. Got it.

[digital copper]

It was a meanspirited and bad taste joke, come on.

[abstract pagoda]

Jokes that rely on tone of voice are usually a bad idea in text.

[tiny saddle]

I actually think this is pretty important too. ||That and the people who were teaching this were a weird cult that rivals the weirdos in the Cult of the Mothman. ||

[spare trail]

I like fallout 3 and fallout 76 a lot, I don't discount those games or anything, but the handling of the NCR really just feels disrespectful to fallout 1, 2, and New Vegas. That's all.

[quick coral]

yes exactly, there's so much wiggle room here

[foggy fulcrum]

Tbf I have no ill will towards NV, just that it seems that’s usually the crowd coming in to many convo’s and going “Bethesda doesn’t care about Lore.” And it gets to a point where it’s like… can we just talk about lore rather than just making that statement all the time?

[abstract pagoda]

It's weird how we've reached the 'Lets make them out to be a creepy weird fringe movement' reading of the Brotherhood now. xD

[tepid stirrup]

Propaganda is a hell of a drug.

[spare trail]

That's serious straw grasping

[quick coral]

how is propaghanda straw grabbing?

[tiny saddle]

||Yeah. Like those guys were drinking blood, right? They could see 2277 as the beginning of the end for any reason. ||

[tepid stirrup]

The vault 4 people are definitely high on their own propaganda.

[foggy fulcrum]

||Frederick Sinclair being an Executive of Big MT is definitely strange, unless that gets explained as well and they say he lost the position sometime later from that scene. As for his age… a friend brings up that maybe he wanted a Mosaic displaying his younger self.||

[quick coral]

|| yes exactly, its totally possible this group became more popular and word spread to others who made the NCR in the south ||

[tiny saddle]

||Yeah, they were nice. But they were a straight up cult. That’s how cults get ya!||

[foggy fulcrum]

I just don’t wanna just think they ignored something is all, I wanna give the benefit of the doubt that Season 2 gives more answers

[tepid stirrup]

For all we know 2277 could have been completely made up by some random surface person that get into the vault.

[quick coral]

i mean honestly guys, there's more to this than lore, and thats why i think it's good. It's not always good vs bad, sometimes it's who writes the story of the lore in that timeframe

not everything you read in the other games is going to be correct

[foggy fulcrum]

||Again they remembered the West Tek Scientist Maxson interrogated and killed, that is so obscure to begin with.||

[quick coral]

its just going to be the perspective of the person that wrote what you read

[lofty prairie]

The Tb. Show didn't have enough load screens though

[tiny saddle]

||Also, is the reason they were growing ears on their forehead because they were rubbing the radioactive ash on their foreheads?||

[tepid stirrup]

Yeah. It’s not like they have internet to keep all the dates the same everywhere.

[quick coral]

exactly!!

[tepid stirrup]

||A lot of them were experimented on by the scientists that used to run the vault. || pretty messed up.

[foggy fulcrum]

I’m still surprised nobody is bringing this up but me

[quick coral]

|| to me that seemed like genetic research || || like, more reason to not trust their perspective ||

[tiny saddle]

Yeah. This is true. A lot of people in the wasteland probably have no idea what year it is to begin with. I live in a world where information is literally at my fingertips, and I forget what day it is more often than I would like to admit.

[tepid stirrup]

The only connection they really have to other settlements is couriers and who knows how accurate and trustworthy they are to keep dates.

[digital copper]

No, the mutants in the vault are ||descendants of the test subjects who rebelled against the Vault-Tec leadership and seized control of the Vault. They admitted the Shady Sands survivors centuries later out of sympathy.||

[foggy fulcrum]

As a Brotherhood fan I missed this

[abstract pagoda]

I mean, is it also not fair to postulate that the writers simply made a mistake? That seems a lot more likely to me. Afterall, the same writers control and telegraph what characters in the world know and what is and isn't reliable information. They would tip their hat if it were.

I wouldn't hold it against them, it's presumably their first time working with the material and the lore /is/ confusing. So it makes sense to slip up on a date.

[foggy fulcrum]

That’s exactly how I wanna look at it, just not the same “Bethesda doesn’t care about Lore” Excuse

[quick coral]

particularly with how far they've traveled and their perspective on how many people 700k are, like that seems like a LOT in the post-apocalypse

[digital copper]

I mean, devil's advocate, this is recent history that occurred in their metaphorical backyard. It's still in living memory.

[tiny saddle]

||Oh, dang. My bad. I totally forgot about the weird testing going on in Vault 4. This is why I hate binge watching entire seasons like this, haha. ||

[quick coral]

why would any group in the post-apocalypse NOT exaggerate their numbers tenfold?

[digital copper]

That said, I like the angle of this being the cultists considering the first battle of the dam the beginning of the "end times" for their nation, thus 2277.

[quick coral]

like that seems so much more likely to me than any group giving accurate numbers lol

[tepid stirrup]

I highly doubt the writers made a mistake after working so hard to get all the other details right.

[foggy fulcrum]

It’s not impossible

But I also have to believe somethings are intentional or not information we knew prior

[quick coral]

given the effort, the passion, and the beth involvement, im considering this full canon regardless of any game lore from across the entire country lol

[tiny saddle]

Yeah. I’m thinking of it like if the U.S collapsed sometime after 9/11. 9/11 would be considered what triggered the collapse. Whatever happened after that was cause by 9/11.

[foggy fulcrum]

Because I just don’t like immediately relegating it to “They don’t care”

[quick coral]

news travels through so many people to get to different places with different perspectives

[foggy fulcrum]

This is why I’m adamant and not so willing to believe people immediately

And this is only from my own experience as not just a Fallout Fan, but a Star Wars fan

The two fandoms are similar in how they will react and act