starfield-lore

[jaunty ginkgo]

The "-Heart" chem names also uses terms related to planets, which further plays into that the game has a lot of symbolisms and allusions to planets, celestial bodies in general, and their motions

Which are present in things like powers and their description, the Starfield logo and UI, temples and the artifacts

[boreal trout]

Chunks

[modern burrow]

Le Gourmet Chunks.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1143291087516086292/1225855767878303945/image.png?ex=662fd526&is=662e83a6&hm=6ac153a1f7e35552b58e74e696fcc4f0a80891953ddf3062acb92a1d0e2fcd42&

[faint cave]

I've eaten weirder things.

[keen acorn]

I was at a market in Nigeria. Roasted Rats on a skewer with hot sauce. Not sure how it compares to Chunks with Sauce, but if the rats were cut square it might just look like that. Hmmm Depend on how discerning you are.

[modern burrow]

That particular concept invokes thoughts of gelatinized Watermelon. But then I suppose it's implied as some kind of meat or uncooked protein cube.

[faint cave]

It looks like cured meat. There's a type of cured meat here in the Philippines called tocino that has that color when cooked.
https://norecipes.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/filipino-tocino-recipe_009.jpg

[stark shuttle]

Chunks are most likely formed protein cubes artificially flavoured with what ever 'flavour' they want.

[fervent ibex]

3D printed snacks

[molten sequoia]

Nah chunks are human flesh

[rigid kiln]

Ayo omw to get chunks

[fallow whale]

Solyent Chunks

[obsidian sentinel]

Chunks Tocino, Adobo, Sisig 😅

[keen acorn]

I love Adobo and Lumpia. A full nutrient ladened yumm fest. 🌞

[obsidian sentinel]

chunks lumpia 😅 deep fried 😄

[finite crater]

id eat that. love lumpia

[deep vale]

lumpia just sounds like chunks from an alien civilization

but still delicious

[daring lake]

"Welcome to Lumps, please choose your Lumps"

[balmy moth]

||alternative universe chunks||

[solemn bough]

Is UC And the freestar collective in a cold war?

[stark shuttle]

An Armistice suggests as such - An armistice is a formal agreement of warring parties to stop fighting. It is not necessarily the end of a war, as it may constitute only a cessation of hostilities while an attempt is made to negotiate a lasting peace.

[maiden dew]

People can freely emigrate between the two but regular citizens still harbor animosity.

[bright ore]

Not really. There's trade and freedom of movement. Moments of tension maybe, but nothing like the Cold War.

[solemn bough]

but theres an armistice which means an agreement to stop fighting but not necessarily end the war

which further makes the ability to join any and every faction cringe and lore breaking but whatever. give me vehicles, more quests, and new cities and ill stop complaining

[silk lotus]

What if both are so desperate for recruits they allow peeps from the other side to join?

[smoky onyx]

Nah, the faction questlines are about dealing with internal issues, and by and large the story seems to lean toward improving relations between the UC and FC, like with the Groundpounder quest. As it's currently written it wouldn't make sense to forbid joining all groups. It would have if they were in direct conflict like Stormcloaks and Imperials or Dawnguard vs Volkihar... but they're not

Ofc this probably precludes them from doing a full war in DLC, unless it's everyone vs House Va'ruun or another interstellar threat

[daring lake]

Well, the PC actually does not "join" any faction imo. Currently my character
has the Freestar Settler trait but just as Leah Castler says "You won't find me
taking jobs for the UC" even though she admits the reality of folk having to earn
a living. And the Vanguard will accept anyone regardless of origin.
Humanity appears to have too low a population to support large attritional conflicts.

[silk lotus]

then why are there infinite pirates and spacers to kill for money?

jk.

[quick tundra]

re: too low a population, honestly one of the most bizarre things about the game as presented is that all the wars are territorial when there's so much empty space

like, idk, finish settling the planets you already have before fighting over other ones. at least have more than one metropolis per planet.

[daring lake]

You know, I never looked at the conflicts as territorial as much as they were about
ideologies, and the competition between them. Limited government + personal freedom
vs "Federal" top heavy government with a class system vs Fundamental Theocracy.

[quick tundra]

slight correction: I mean the wars between UC/FC, not the Serpent's Crusade

Va'ruun being religious fundamentalist eliminationists are a whole different thing

[terse gazelle]

I feel a bit disconnect with the inhabited planets we've seen and the overall size and organisation of the factions that are shown. I can handle gameplay limitations, not having tens of cities on New Atlantis, but there's not even lore about cities that haven't been shown. The world feels post-apocalyptic in some places, like the last bastion of humanity holding out in period themed amusement parks. I think if we had ingame books like TES there'd be a little less disconnect for me, just so we can get some numbers and lore

[quick tundra]

this is in part a problem caused by the Bethesda design principle of letting you go "anywhere"

when you visit Thessia in Mass Effect 3, nobody complains that you only see one stretch of one city because it's just assumed the rest of the Asari are somewhere offscreen. But we know there aren't other large cities on Jemison because we can explore it ourselves.

[terse gazelle]

That's a good point, I guess it's just one of those things that come with video games being a certain size

[smoky onyx]

But on the flipside, I don't care at all if they add new cities in DLC and just handwave it like it's always been there. Like Solstheim in Morrowind... and then when they returned to Solstheim in Skyrim and decided "yeah there's dwarven ruins there"

[alpine bloom]

they could like, add a city that is the base/main settlement of house varuun that is hidden with like space magic or smth idk

[solemn bough]

Joking right?

Crimson fleet questline involves picking a side between sysdef and cf. Sysdef being the uc

after murdering sysdef and killing their men, you can then go and join the uc

[analog junco]

Joining them all in one playthrough (outside of NG+) doesn't make much sense. They are certainly getting along for the most part but tensions are present. Just think how unhelpful the FC Ambassador is during the Vanguard questline

And then there is the blatant piracy with CF as you said

The one that really doesn't matter as much for the others is Ryujin

[maiden dew]

UC does not give a flying F about if you are a Ranger or not. Kind of weird but whatever. The Ambassador still acts the same regardless, though you do get an option to use your Ranger status on the persuasion check.

[daring lake]

The FC Ambassador very much represents the "old school" of the FC. She
has more in common with Major Hull than she does with, for instance, members
of the Council of Governors. People in her own office find her to be difficult to
deal with.

[peak halo]

If you're a ranger, that just means you already have a ship. It also means you have more leeway when it comes to interacting with the FC in the course of your Vanguard duties

[rigid kiln]

did my thing again :)
https://starfieldwiki.net/wiki/Lore:Tomisar_Ka'dic

[grave ferry]

If you think about how many civilian outposts are generated per planet tile, and how many planet tiles you can place on any given planet, you’d realize that humanity isn’t that sparse, they’re just really spread out — among the stars. They’re not all congregated in the biggest settlements like New Atlantis and Akila City. Edit: removed some irrelevant info

[maiden dew]

Still really low when like Akila has 80 people. Even if we go with a 10: scaling of lore to game, Akila does not have 1000 population. Even at a 1000:1, Akila barely qualifies as a small city. Each outpost has at most a 12 people. Assume a handful of outposts per planet, and we are talking about population numbers in the thousands at most.

Only thing that makes sense is if there are some cities and towns that don't show up in the game. It is just crazy that all there is on Montara Luna is a small family farm and some outposts. Realistically, they should have some towns if not cities. It makes way more sense to develop there than on Akila.

[bright ore]

Most cities in Skyrim are like that too. It has more to do with what is possible to do on some systems than any lore. It's likely a larger city would be possible on one PC or one of the newer consoles, but Bethesda tries to make the experience uniform across platforms. But you're right that there should be outlying towns on both Akila and Jemison.

[tardy hazel]

Is there a way (quest) to talke down GalBank?

[silk lotus]

How? I mean do you want to take down or talk down galbank? And why?

[eager merlin]

Talk down Galbank, yeah. I don't want to fight them for all their money if I don't have to. /s

[mint fox]

what's the current state in the settled systems with cybernetics? there's the cyberneticist background which implies they're very much in existence.

Robots? Mere toys. Neuroamps? Good for parlor tricks. The Colony War may have made implants and upgrades available to veterans, but you once saw a greater future. Humans and machines, as one.

but aside from the three (plus experimental) neuroamps Ryujin has i feel like they're mostly absent from the universe? reason i'm asking is because i'd like a quest mod i'm making to have cybernetics as a bit more common without it being lore breaking

[jaunty ginkgo]

There are some characters that have them, it's not pervasive and more of a trend for some. Off the top of my head there's CJ, and the scientist present during the Terrormorph case hearing

[mint fox]

with neuroamps or something else?

[jaunty ginkgo]

Neuroamps, yes

There's also that replacement limb for Colony War veterans in some posters, so I think it holds that the use and trend is not so pervasive

Also, on the character background part (I really should stop skimming posts): My understanding of the description is that it's still very much a dream in practicality if not in capability

The closest real-world analogue that I think makes sense is the notion of metaverse, where today it's much more practical that it takes form in a multiplayer video game (Second Life, MMOs, etc) instead of more bespoke implementations

[round charm]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTfx5Hdu8hQ&t=978s

[silk lotus]

So who is it we actually see at the unity, that other us? Are they a composite of all versions of our character? Are they supposed to represent a version character who has every skill and every faction questline knowledge/experience?

[daring lake]

There is no actual proof to identify the "You" we meet in the Unity. But there are strong clues
to suggest that it is not the player character. In the very first playthrough, The Hunter mentions
at the Oburum meeting that "You" has never made it this far before. And the character in the Unity
has knowledge of "The Creators" and is able to explain about where you are, and the consequences
of going through or turning back.
So, regardless of some pedantry that can be applied, it appears the writers are pointing us towards
an answer.

[analog junco]

Unless at that moment all the "yous" were then culminated in that "you" in that moment, as timewise it wouldn't matter, at that moment that "you" could be all of "you" without having to have existed before you entered.

[daring lake]

Yeah, that's just one of points that I was going to put into the "pedantry" bucket 🙂

If the Unity "You" is a personification of The Unity then that would lead into support
for the idea that Victor Aiza did not meet a version of himself. But met The Unity
in his form.

[steady dock]

Hi starfield Lore, is there some strikers people here? I would really enjoy a deeper story with these guys

[silk lotus]

I wonder if the Creators exist outside of each universe, or if each universe has its own creators who create their own relics and temples.

[spiral stirrup]

The hunter always has at least two versions of himself though with the Hunter and Aquilus both. It's firmly established there can be multiple versions of the same person. And not some unity entity.

The emissary could talk to their Constellation counterpart too and achieve the same as Victor Aiza.

Though they obviously don't want to because of their ideology. But starborn emissary Sarah I'm sure could give information to Constellation Sarah and change the future for that universe

[daring lake]

Yes. And that is another of the points that I would put into the "pedantry" bucket,
because of the reasons previously cited. Its a multi-verse where anything is possible,
but the writers have placed those lines in the mouths of characters intentionally.

[peak halo]

Pedantry
excessive concern with minor details and rules.

I'm not sure how that term applies to the conversation about the identity of the Other in the Unity.

[safe kite]

Was there ever an explanation given for why the ECS Constant has artificial gravity?

[keen acorn]

If you can find explanations for anything in Starfield. Lead me to it. No gravity is mentioned on mechanics or stuff I am aware. I could offer up possibilities - but I am not a physics guy. You do get dates Yep dates are mentioned. LOL

[peak halo]

From my understanding of how the AG work in SF, it would require a grav drive

[valid hedge]

Anything on Strikers or something more about the culture of Starfield’s cities? Feels like an oversight if they didn’t include them

[daring lake]

Neon has many "loose ends". Threads from side quests, and hints in dialogue.
And they all seem to lead towards Bayu and The Seokguh syndicate. I'd be surprised
if this stuff has not been planned to be expanded on in a future DLC. But for now, we
have nothing but the "threads".

[smoky onyx]

There's a book on Neon Gang Culture, but otherwise it's all in the little side-quests around each city.

[bronze shoal]

If gravity control technology exists, why do ships need visible thrusters? where's the SW style 'repulsorlift' devices?

[keen acorn]

On top of that. We have actual repulsors you can buy in 2024. You can attach them to like a skate board or boxes. That company is working on them, larger models, to be used under buildings in earthquake prone areas to prevent damage to buildings - in 2024. So the technology would be available in 2330. It's all amazing.

[faint cave]

The Great Serpent is Satakal from the Redguard pantheon in Elder Scrolls.

[jaunty ginkgo]

Tunnel snakes

[broken flower]

tunnel snake is a euphemism

[maiden dew]

You can meet multiple versions of yourself too.

[maiden dew]

Limitations of the game engine. In reality, they would have used engine thrust or spin the ship on its axis to simulate gravity.

[rigid kiln]

The great serpent is the truth

[silk lotus]

I still wonder if the great serphent is a creator behind the temples and artifacts. Wait is the great serphent just Lorkhan but snake? Creator god who is evil?

[chilly harness]

Was there ever an explanation given for why the ECS Constant has same ship interior equipment as modern starfield ships?

[high copper]

simply didn't create new assets for a one time ship

[maiden dew]

I theorize the Heatleeches/Terrormorphs are the corrupted descendants of the Creators. The Serpent is a missing link between the Creators and their Terrormorph descendants.

[peak halo]

Lorkhan isn't evil...

[daring lake]

Well, they left Earth only a couple of years or so before the Grav drive was revealed.
So the "Mega-Tycoon" that paid for it would have had access to the best that Nova Galactic
had at the time. I've not been on the ship for a while, but would not be surprised to see
the Dogstar brand on the control + navigation systems.
The security guys at least have no modern weapons. All "old earth" pistols, rifles etc ...

[stark shuttle]

The Constant probably had what ever was the latest tech until Aiza 'discovered' the Grav drives. So a form of gravity control allowing comfortable long distance space travel.

[daring lake]

Maybe. I just think that, like much in sci-fi, we are asked to suspend our dis-belief and
accept some stuff as it is presented. And I'm ok with some of that.

[maiden dew]

I still find it hard to believe a generational colony ship would not have chickens and goats on board. Both are hardy and will survive in most any environment. You get diary from one and eggs from the other while both can be slaughtered for their meat. Just like New Homestead and Cydonia should have had chickens too.

[scenic loom]

prob a chicken and goat rebellion happened and so the crew had no other choice

[high copper]

It did but I eated them all

[rigid kiln]

Imagine having stinky animals on your colony ship 😭

[maiden dew]

Yeah, imagine all the BO from all the humans.

[rigid kiln]

That's why I hate humans

Worst mammals

[orchid juniper]

that's my theory for why aliens haven't made themselves knows to human kind. Can you imagine how bad a planet of apes smells to a non ape?

[daring lake]

...but .... but .... we have soap ... 😉

[clever adder]

To the snake lovers
#starfield-suggestions message

[slate valley]

It was built by Nova Galactic. Same Nova Galactic that made the habs used on the Frontier, those over 200 year old habs that were so plentiful Nova Galactic became unsustainable as a staryard. It's part of the reason why they are the only hab manufacturer who doesn't have a current staryard. The ECS Constant set out before the grav drives were ready, it's explained in the dialog with the captain.

[rigid kiln]

Some of us don't 😭🤮

Wish they did tho 😭😭

[ashen edge]

does anyone know the population of the settled systems?

[jaunty ginkgo]

First we need to know how many died during the cataclysm (took about 50 years from 2100s I think?), which is the sort of thing that UC hides as part of its founding history. Then add 150+ years

[tall shuttle]

Not having animals makes sense; there's loss involved in producing meat/eggs that would be unacceptable when food production needs to be as efficient as possible. Maybe crickets as part of composting.

[terse gazelle]

I agree, I think the main efficiency with livestock is being able to convert indigestible plant matter into digestible fats and protein right?

[tall shuttle]

Yes, but generally we put more calories into the animal than we would get eating the plants so i doubt large animals would be optimal.

Waste from food production would be minimized, i would expect insects to be the most efficient way to get some extra protein from waste material. Certainly not as palatable as pigs or chickens but nutritional accounting would take priority.

Wonder if shrimp/prawns alongside kelp.

[full herald]

the shade omg😭

[scenic loom]

im hoping at some point, hunting wild animals/aliens in the wilds that we can then get meat from
is a thing Bethesda will consider doing

[spiral stirrup]

The UC only lost 30k in the colony war and it was pretty devastating apparently. We don't really get many concrete numbers.

[livid prawn]

Considering that likely not everyone left Earth, or couldn't afford to leave Earth I would imagine much of mankind is still slowly rebuilding in many ways, that being said it seems like it would be very possible much like Varrun to run into random other "lost human colonies" in space who ended up in far flung or distant systems.

[spiral stirrup]

I imagine billions died as the earth was changing too. Natural disasters must've been crazy with the earth's atmosphere going away.

[livid prawn]

I agree with others though an DLC effort to terraform Earth would be interesting, like discover a hidden underground base where humans have continued living for the last hundred years, you could almost call them vaults...

[timber thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/fallout-vault-door-vault111-vault-tech-video-game-gif-4727814

[rigid kiln]

Do we think the Rite of kre'jar and the killing of the groats is the same thing since they both happen when a member of House Va'ruun comes of age?

[safe kite]

The Bethesda Cinematic Universe.

Oddly enough, the multiverse seems to support that Tamriel could... you know what, nvm.

[ashen edge]

If only there was a way to get confirmation with Bethesda.

[safe kite]

At least 'millions'.

Source: Ryujin advertising says the company 'helps millions'.

[tall shuttle]

I not sure they want to outright confirm numbers, for better and worse the games putting in a real effort to be subtle so the player pieces together how dire things actually were on their own. Understanding the nature of the UC and collective is similar.

It definitely feels to be lower millions, would have really helped if terramorphs were more a threat to help explain why people are so thinly spread out.

[maiden dew]

I think that people spread out because of how crappy the average person's life is in UC or even FC. Think of that guy and his family living in the Stretch in Akila. He has no job, but things were so bad in the UC it is still better than what he left. His only chance is a random stranger who can clear things over with his smuggler sister-in-law so she can operate in Akila again. Talk to the miners in Cydonia to get a feel for how grim it is. Or down in the well. Or Gagarin. New Homestead is a tiny town, and everyone young leaves. Talk to the Strikers and learn how bad Neon is for anyone not an executive. Everyone in Hopetown is depressed because there are no jobs besides Hopetech. Things are bad enough that striking out to make a settlement with LIST in some alien world is seen as good alternative. Even with the risk of being raided by Spacers or Pirates. Starfield is a Dystopia.

[terse gazelle]

I think people definitely spread out much farther than the settled systems, they're just the place where the most people stayed. I don't know if the DLC will add more systems on the map or not, but if we assume the 30LY limit is something intrinsic to all grav drives and the ingame difference is just balancing purposes, they could have gone in any direction snatching up helium from gas giants along the way

[tall shuttle]

I think to some degree the writing might to too subtle (and 'mature', but that's a seperate discussion) for the audience who are used to games bludgeoning you in the face with their themes. So many comments talking about how it's a boring utopia and meanwhile i'm sitting there thinking, we did play the same game right 😅.

[round charm]

same

[tall shuttle]

I also believe it's why the game resonates with older players and "gets better the more you play", a large portion of the general population doesn't have or hasn't yet developed the literacy skills to piece together all the little bits or posibly not have the time to soak in everything. Not judging, I would have hated the game at 16 or even 22. Not trying to sound pretentious either, i don't think it's a direct correlation with writing quality.

[scenic loom]

hears hoping the SS expansion and future story expansions will satisfy folks later on with its writing. I didnt mind it as much but given today's standards of how video game stories are done
its gonna be a hit or miss for a lot of players

[tall shuttle]

If they nail shattered space and give the world that little bit of meat it needs, there's a good chance a couple of youtubers might come in with "well ashley there's a lot of lore, it's just subtle" and flip the discussion.

[scenic loom]

heh lets hope so
a lot of people expect too much today
and given the kind of reputation Bethesda has with their games
.....well, im just gonna wait and see how it all goes

[orchid finch]

smoke and mirrors....followed by fire, big fire.

[livid prawn]

I am hoping for a hit like shivering isles, give us our mad starfield God who is playing with our lives/multiverse!multiversity! Vie Victis or the hunter surely cannot be the biggest bad.

[tall shuttle]

I doubt that will happen, making the unity some big bad god would kill the mystery which is more important.

[daring lake]

"whoever created the artifacts and temples is playing a game with us ..."
is a line given by The Hunter ....
But a "big bad guy"? Maybe not. But there is certainly a mystery here imo.

[orchid finch]

The hunter is not bad, just bored.

[tall shuttle]

No he's bad, an imortal killing machine. He could just be a hero for fun or something instead

[orchid finch]

I mean id be bored to if all i had to listen too was recordings of my old sermons.

[scenic loom]

No No, we are the Hunter
our Unity

https://tenor.com/view/meme-our-now-gif-21036569

[tall shuttle]

I suppose I did just say I take out grav drives for funsies so i guess i am the hunter

[scenic loom]

god, the millions of versions of us just either died or are jumping through the Armillary and into the Unity

im hoping thee last story expansion is in relation to the Unity and its existence and what not
doesnt have to give away its mystery but would like to see a..... beyond our comprehension-type of story

[tall shuttle]

I thought a funny idea for a mod would be starborn landing and going to town on local wildlife or building XP farms to suggest they're players.

[scenic loom]

lol so Starfield mmo
haha, i can def see a separate game with Starborns

[tall shuttle]

It has to be beyond our comprehension to work, seeing behind the curtain would ruin everything. Varuun origin story screams unity/starborn shenanigans so i'm fairly confident shattered space will revolve around both.

[scenic loom]

i think so too
I just hope we dont lose that mystery of the Unity in this expansion

i feel like it would suck if we "understood" more of the Unity in the first story expansion

[daring lake]

My speculation about "Shattered Space" is grounded in my observations
of House Va'ruun. At least the small amount we have been given.
The society of the faction is isolationist and xenophobic. They want to be
alone, and they don't want "visitors"
So, as well as being the top dogs in the realm of stealth and secrecy, they
develop technology that will stop grav drives from being able to navigate
into their territory.
This disruption to grav drive travel will extend far further than they planned,
and will cause ships to travel to unintended systems. Shattering space, and
possibly sending folk into alternate Unis.

... or even into oblivion ...

[tall shuttle]

My immediate thought was dumping you in cyrodiil and i refuse to interpret that statement correctly.

[daring lake]

ngl ... thats gone straight over my head 🤷‍♂️ 🙂

[tall shuttle]

Oblivion is a little known game by Bethesda game studios that takes place in cyrodiil.

[daring lake]

I'm far too literal I'm afraid 🙂

[tall shuttle]

I like the idea grav drives being disrupted but I think to that extent of damage is way too much work to be realised and i'd rather something smaller but achievable.

[scenic loom]

https://tenor.com/view/oblivion-oblivion-npc-imperial-guard-oblivion-dance-gif-24856957

[daring lake]

Its certainly "do-able" and its scope has to be far reaching in order to add to
the main story imo

[keen acorn]

Its also part of ESO.

[tall shuttle]

It was in reference to 'being sent to oblivion', really too stupid of a joke to take up air time in the lore chanel.

[keen acorn]

There is an image on channels. No one know what it is. Except its possibly related to the new DLC. Only a few have seen it. It could be a shattered portal of some kind. It has elements from the ending Unity scenes. Folks have been searching for any existing match and not found one. Soo... We could have all these Shattered portals and an investigation my take you to them. The Self in Unity would have known about it of course. But says very little except to scoot you on to the next Unity - you are important after all - Right! LOL

[orchid finch]

come now its so simple...main house varuun and the zealots have a bad breakup and a civil war and the settled systems is collateral damage, see simple duh.

[scenic loom]

Va'ruun Civil War, you say?

[keen acorn]

yep - its in two factions of its own. Isolationists (non-Zealots) and the Zealots. Some is discussed in the quest that takes you into the Va'ruun Embassy in New Atlantis. Little drops of info - spread through out the game.

[vocal nymph]

In the millions? damn, all 6 major cities in the game feel to have a combined population of like, at most a couple thousand. And that is including the civilian and mining and other friendly outposts in the whole game

[keen acorn]

That is a consistent complaint. Cities too small for how many there should be.

[safe kite]

In every game, ever.

[scenic loom]

hmmm, good point
I kinda did think that was likely the case, from what i have seen

[vocal nymph]

Well, Solitude and Windhelm from Skyrim feel like there aren't enough npcs for how big those cities are. It feels empty. more of a lack of npcs rather than world space being too big

[keen acorn]

But those cities are resettled. After some war described. So yes they feel empty and they are rebuilding.

We never see or are told how many die in the three wars up to 2330. Just its a lot. BUt I look at Akila City. Its cowboy country. But heck 200 - or 300 years removed from Earth. My Image does not match what is existing in Akila City alone. The technology they used with the Robots/Mechanical weapons. I have to fall back - it's just a game. Then Laugh it off.

[terse gazelle]

What's the consensus on so much life being so close to earth in Starfield? Not to mention ||the grav drive being on mars, implying something else had it before humans did?|| It would be strange if they didn't know about oxygen and water planets decades prior too, considering we can detect that now. ||Is the Unity Fermi's Paradox? a part that all prior intelligent species had to overcome?||

[daring lake]

"Fermi's Paradox" is not really a paradox. Because it is quite easy to come up with
answers to the question Fermi asked. Within the scope of Starfield we should not
expect to encounter any technological civilization capable of spaceflight. The area
that the map covers is just too small for that.
I take it that you mean the first known artifact was on Mars rather than a grav drive.
But the reason for its appearance there is up for debate.

[vocal nymph]

really? cause DLCs will always bring out wildcards. We still have no idea what even the first one will give us. For example, with Skyrim, we probably didn't know that the Dragonborn DLC when it was first announced or leaked would give us another dragonborn as the title of that DLC could've very well be seen as referencing to the player. But we also didn't fully know it would give us Solstiem. And at the same time, the game Stellaris has the player find extraterrestrial life at a date before the Starfield game even begins. iirc, Stellaris begins at the 2200s while Starfield is in the 2300s. Also, scientists like Neil DeGrasse Tyson and other astrophysicists believe that there could be advanced life out there because the universe and galaxy is just so big. But all in all, it will be up to the DLCs to make spacefaring extraterrestrial life possible, if they ever do it. I just don't see why Bethesda wouldn't capitalize on it since they already have some form of a template with the elder scrolls. And it would help compete with the other space games. Or maybe the opposite since there are so many of them that do that. Really, it's up to the Bethesda devs, Todd Howard, and the DLCs that come later. Cause if Bethesda really is serious about having the game last for a decade if not longer just like Skyrim (It's coming up on 15 years in two years), then there will be a lot of DLCs and I find it hard to believe they wouldn't further expand the world space and with it, comes new possibilities.

But in conclusion, it all rests on the DLCs, Bethesda devs, and Todd Howard how the direction of Starfield will be taken

[daring lake]

Yes. Really. The map would need to expand by quite a distance. Currently
though the map is too small for E.T. to be found.

[vocal nymph]

I know I wrote the equivalent of a mini essay

almost 300 words on the dot. 3 words short

[vocal nymph]

especially when friendly outposts and stations can be found at a couple of the high level systems

and that's saying something

[terse gazelle]

Given the temples are the only "alien" thing on the planets, I'm inclined to believe you, but still if we're going off real world likelihoods then there shouldn't be flora or fauna on those planets that close either. I'm sure they won't just have an alien empire just pop into existence if they chose to use them though, it would have to be something novel

[daring lake]

Well, the only tech savvy folk out there, other than ourselves, are "The Creators"
As for flora + fauna I don't see any reason why they can't, or should not, be out there.

[terse gazelle]

If I remember correctly we can use spectroscopy to see the makeup of atmospheres, and using that we haven't found oxygen yet. Definitely water, and of course life can, does and has existed without oxygen but we would be able to notice right now if these same planets existed. Aliens lurking in the settled systems could be hiding, have been sucked into a different dimension, whatever plot point they'd want to use

that's only to say we haven't found them nearby, it's not very far we can see out to

[daring lake]

These things change all the time. Especially since the Kepler probe. Observations
of one of the planets in the "Trappist" system show water in the atmosphere within
a % range that would be expected of a body having surface water. And here on Earth
that would mean the possibility of life. 🤷‍♂️
Plants don't need oxygen btw, but they can produce it. And anearobic organisms exist
here on Earth.
Aliens "lurking"? Well if they are within 450ly or so of us, then by 2300 they would be
aware of us, but would also have to have stopped emitting radio signals long before
we had the tech to recieve them. Or we would also be aware of them.

[terse gazelle]

That's a good point, I guess that rules out aliens being nearby for at least 300 years. IF they become a thing in the game, they'd have to be new to the neighbourhood. Or maybe the creators come back?

[daring lake]

I love this sort of stuff 🙂
Into the mix of what we know irl comes the in-game reality of the Unity.
And the multiverse gives the writers a blank cheque imo 😄

[jaunty ginkgo]

It's both depressing and funny that outer space can both be so large and so small as it applies to games meant to have fun in

[silk lotus]

I still think that their homeland is more than likely more than 30 light years away (the max jump distance with current technology). That or its ||redacted|| and they use tech similar to the entangled mission to jump between realities.

snap didnt mean to ping. sorry.

[daring lake]

The planetary location of Dazra is a bit of an open secret.
Some folk think that it has been removed from the game. They could be right I suppose.
In which case it will appear at a different location when the DLC is released.
My take is that they have stealth tech that can defeat planetary scans, and that they are
capable of masking the prescence of their settlements.

[high copper]

The ones that leave aren’t allowed to even know where their home is and require a 3rd party to take them, so they are pretty secretive

[vocal nymph]

what is dazra?

[daring lake]

House Va'ruun's capital city

[vocal nymph]

so, the homeworld of house var'ruun ok

[silk lotus]

Beat me to it.

[vocal nymph]

like a new alantis or akila city. but for house var'ruun

[silk lotus]

Well a city, not planet. Like new Atlantis on the planet jemison.

[daring lake]

Yes

[ripe bough]

According to lore,did people still use grav jump travel within a system?

[silk lotus]

Also do we know why jemisons moon is named kurt?

[vocal nymph]

well, if house var'ruun get a dlc. then Andreja would become the most fleshed out companion by far

[silk lotus]

I mean the va'ruun may be involved. No proof their homeworld will be the setting.

We only have theories rn.

[daring lake]

Well, there kind of is ..... And its in the recent Dev video

[silk lotus]

I hope betheda doesn't just shoehorn the va'ruun into dlc because of player demands.

Yes a line if text labeled va'ruun. A pillar object. Not the planet.

[daring lake]

The planet is (should be) Serpentis IV

[silk lotus]

We we don't know for sure. We can only theorize until the dlc release.

[daring lake]

Erm .... if they move it then yes. But if they don't then no 😉

[keen acorn]

All sweat guess work until DLC in actually about ready.

[scenic loom]

Serpentis should be a dead give away on where they are lol
altho, i do like the idea that there will be like a few more star systems out there that are hidden
that get unlocked once the expansion drops

[keen acorn]

They can go a hundred different ways with a DLC.

[silk lotus]

For all we know serpentis is a red herring.

[maiden dew]

The first grav jump was Luna to Jupiter.

So the most plausible scenario is Grav jumps within a system. Earth to Luna takes day with conventional rockets and Earth to Mars takes weeks if not months. Anything further out will take even longer. The ECS Constant took centuries to get another habitable world. There is no feasible way to travel about space without grav jumping.

[keen acorn]

There is quantum transportation. But who can make that interesting? Quantum Transportation can periodically take you to an alternate universe.

[peak halo]

Earth to Luna takes a few hours with conventional rockets

Okay... So I was wrong. However, with the advances in chemical propellents between now and 2100, the trip would be much shorter. There was a stable lunar science outpost on the moon, and they were already developing 'coastal' space vessels. The grav drive just made expansion faster.

[maiden dew]

Regardless of the exact speed, it does not change my point. Interplanetary distances are vast. There is a reason we have only visited other celestial bodies a handful of time sand the only one that humans have set foot on is Luna.

[safe kite]

On one hand, Intra-system trips are referred to as 'short jumps' in several places, in addition to the other lore bits suggesting it is common and the initial tests being within the Sol System. On the other hand, the animation that actually plays is your ship conventionally travelling, and you can travel between locations in a system without the grav drive powered.

So, both.

Long distances, it is plausible and likely that people use grav drives. Short distances, old fashioned spaceflight is likely used. Either/Or. Whatever makes sense in the situation. I don't think it is mentioned anywhere the costs of operating conventional drives vs Grav Drives, but I imagine that is a factor as well.

[daring lake]

It is not only "plausible and likely", it is necessary that in-system travel is done via grav drive.
There are no "short distances" in space for vessels that max out at around 180m/s.
This is not the 1st time this question has been discussed here, and it is not the 1st time that
the Wing Commander style fly-past animation used by the game has been put forward to
support a non-grav drive point of view. Its the game showing you your ship in action, nothing more.
Episodes such as Groundpounder would take many months to complete without a grav drive.

[silk lotus]

Game tell us we cant grav jump to escape space combat, but we cant travel interplanetary to escape. We have to jump to another planet. Also we dont need to power the grav drive to travel in system. Could be possible that our ships may be faster when traveling outside if combat or in orbit.

Or bethesda did a oopsy and a grav jump is whatever the story demands it to be.

Changing to fit the story and lore as needed.

[scenic loom]

I'm hoping they atleast give us some reason of how the in-system travel goes instead of just "you can do this"

[daring lake]

Gameplay conditions don't overcome the physics of the speeds needed to break orbit.
So it is a case of the game vs accuracy imo.

[scenic loom]

True enough

[rigid ore]

Why you can't jump out of a space fight. Set course in an other System. What's not going on, is, to fly to a planet, moon or station in your current system.

[maiden dew]

Well it is Bethesda. I figure the going to a different planet in system is just a limitation of the game engine. I figure they coded it that going to a different system checks if you have sufficient jump capability but going to a different planet in system just registers as fast travel. And Combat disables fast travel. Not a lore issue but a game play issue.

[safe kite]

As I said. Likely that long distances are done via jump. Doesnt rule out slow burning to locations in system. "Short distances" absolutely exist in space. Planet to its moon, etc.

180m/s is the speed your ship maintain while in a location where active pilotting is happening - approaches to stations, asteroid fields, near other ships, approaching planets, etc. You can see your retro thrusters fire to keep you at that speed. There is nothing preventing accelerating beyond that when burning from one location to another. Artificial Gravity provided by Grav Drives makes this even easier as you need to worry less about physics needing to 'work' for the crew.

Modern day rockets go way faster than that by default. Moreover, the fact you are maintaining an orbit while going '180m/s' already rules out that that is the maximum speed of the ship, that's your relative velocity to the things you are around. Maintaining an orbit around earth is ~11,000m/s

[daring lake]

Yes. And the hours that would take are still considerable 🙂

[safe kite]

Yes it would. And that's fine.

[terse gazelle]

I think it's always being used insystem

It creates gravity in ships, and once turned off the gravity goes off. If the effect on the outside of the hull is to reduce mass, then it could accelerate and get there in minutes at low power rather than the whole animation zoom shebang between systems

[maiden dew]

Spaceships seem to be priced liked a camper van at the low end. It would not make economic sense to not use Grav drives even just in a solitary star system.

[safe kite]

Can't dismiss some game mechanics as 'just game mechanics' while using other game mechanics as lore evidence 😛

Edit: Bethesda economies are rarely realistic.

Is a ship really the equivalent price of ~100 first aid kits?

[daring lake]

Some stuff I let go of and just say "its a game" But you do know that mass is not reduced
regardless of gravitational conditions right? 🙂

[maiden dew]

It is already pretty well accepted that the size of cities in the game is a fraction of what they are in the lore. That is just a game engine limitation. Some things you have to just chalk up to it being a game.

[safe kite]

That's my point.

"Ships are cheap" is a game mechanic. As is fuel being free. For now.

[terse gazelle]

I think the animation that occurs during grav jumps out of system is because the difference in speed needed is on the scale of lightminutes in-system and lightyears out-system, a massive leap in speed which may explain the light stretching and warping around this object with more mass and gravity than it should have (unless I'm misunderstanding the physics of it, I'm picturing an Alcubierre drive sort of thing). Which could mean that it's not necessarily it being activated for the first time, but it ramping up in power to cross such stellar distances

[daring lake]

It takes the sale of around 250k foam cups to buy a Shieldbreaker.
So yes, sometimes its "a game" 😄

[maiden dew]

And our character does not use a toilet. But the price of different items seems reasonable, and we have no other comparison to go by.

[terse gazelle]

You're right, I messed up there 😅

[safe kite]

Item prices are all over the place. A bandage costs 70 space bucks, but a bandage with antibiotics added to it is 600 space bucks. A ship mounted cannon is 3000 space bucks. Delivering coffee to someone is worth 2000 space bucks at level 5 but 6000 space bucks at level 40.

Game cost is not something to base theories off of. Bethesda economies are wack, and are there purely for gameplay reasons.

Always fun to compare, though. A tip for delivering coffee often exceeds the price to hire a mercenary to destroy an entire starship in another system. 😄

And if you steal said ship and then go to sell it, it is only worth... 1 coffee delivery tip, after registration. 4 coffee tips if you managed to skip registration.

[maiden dew]

Destroying the pirate is fun. Delivering coffee is boring. Hiring a highly skilled person costs more. Seems basic economics there.

[safe kite]

Basic game economics, yes.

[daring lake]

but ... but .... Coffee is important .... Pirates are just XP 😄

[maiden dew]

Pirates often have coffee. Checkmate.

[safe kite]

Extrapolating beyond 'it's a game' implies that 'levels' exist in the actual world and can be discerned by the person hiring a coffee runner. Everything falls apart.

And that the broke guy down on his luck needing a favor so he can get a job can afford to hire a Player Character and reward them with the equivalent of a cheap starship's worth of credits.

[maiden dew]

Levels are a rough extrapolation of skill. A Doctor is more skilled than a nurse who is in turn more skilled than a paramedic, who in turn is more skilled than a lifeguard that passed CPR training. And I figure the broke guy is forwarding credits from the smuggler captain who is rewarding you for clearing up her legal difficulties.

[safe kite]

Headcanon is fine 😄

[spiral stirrup]

To be fair there are $1000 TV remotes, and $50,000 per night hotel rooms. The real world has just as crazy price variation

[peak halo]

While yes, this is in essence true: each of those things are generally trained for different purposes: A paramedic is trained for IMMEDIATE lifesaving assistance.
Nurses are the lifeblood of a hospital, and if you were to say to one that they are 'less skilled' than a doctor... Well, you might end up needing to visit the ER... At a other hospital.

[maiden dew]

A CPR and First Aid certification takes several hours. A paramedic takes six months. A nursing degree can be done in 4 years. A medical doctor's degree takes 8, plus another 3 years residency. Regardless of how pissy a nurse is about it, by any objective measure, a Doctor is more skilled than a nurse. If I am having a heart attack, I would rather have a Paramedic attending me over a someone with CPR, but a nurse would be even better, and a Doctor better yet. There is a fair bit of overlap in all these certifications and degrees. In Game terms, some one with level 4 Medicine is probably equivalent to a medical doctor. By the time our character is level 40, they are either a skilled specialist in some field, or have broad skills in a host of topics. Or somewhere in between those two.

[shy lotus]

Was it ever clarified what exactly happens when you step through the Unity? Where does your ship and space suit come from?

[scenic loom]

Space magic

[shy lotus]

I hope the expound on what Starborn really are. I want to see the creators. I'd even take a Deus ex machina where it goes the ||No Man's Sky|| route where "actually this is all a simulation of a supercomputer".

[scenic loom]

I'm hoping we don't learn much about the unity and all that til the final story expansion tbh

It's gonna be years but I do like the idea that understanding the unity and it's existence will forever be beyond our comprehension

[shy lotus]

Even if the Unity remains a mystery, there's still the mechanics of it I want clarified, like how the Starborn ships came to be and how you spawn in a new universe with one already.

[scenic loom]

time will tell i suppose

[high copper]

I'm going for the Marathon truth, the player is the creator, the god cause they can make any reality true and develop a world, cause of modding

In marathon it offered it's first version of the level editor you see in halo now, not gonna spoil much but it's interesting

[scenic loom]

We were modders in-game this whole time?!?!?!

[high copper]

I'm guessing unity as a reward for giving a part of yourself allows you to be reborn and gives you some starting gear

[silk lotus]

I'm thinking each universe has its own creator/great serphent but the term creators refers to each and every creator of the multiverse.

[scenic loom]

it just that ....to me
seeing all those starborn's we fight and then learning you too become Star-Daddy as well

makes me think about the infinite number of universes made by us and by other starborns, ...... its just so mind-boggling

[silk lotus]

I'm not sure what I said to get my message deleted. Ima try again.

[scenic loom]

Starborns at it again, i see

[orchid juniper]

The Dwemer are the Creators.

[high copper]

Todd Howard is the creator

[orchid juniper]

that'd be the best ending IMO.

[high copper]

"Hi thank you for sticking by for this whole journey, hope you had fun"

[scenic loom]

LMAO
"I told you it just works"

https://tenor.com/view/todd-howard-howard-nodding-gif-13246550

[peak halo]

Wast. 'it just works' part of 76's marketing? Not starfield....

[high copper]

fallout 4 settlement

[scenic loom]

It just works was before F76 time, if i remember that right
"16 times the detail" that was Godd Howards saying for it, i believe haha

[high copper]

I think he was specifically talking about the weather

[scenic loom]

come to think of it, is there a Todd phrase for Starfield?

[high copper]

You see that planet, you can go there

[silk lotus]

Something about us players needing to optimize our pcs?

[scenic loom]

I just meant the memes that our lord and saviors says when a new game comes out

[silk lotus]

About starifleds settings and optimization.

[scenic loom]

[silk lotus]

Do we know if ecliptic mercenaries were involved in any of the past wars?

[orchid finch]

would they be very good at security if we did?

[high copper]

depends how long they've been around for

[daring lake]

Yeah, little is known about Ecliptic's origin.
But they appear to have been formed after the Colony War.
I would like the game to have more info about them.

[scenic loom]

werent they made right after the wars?

[orchid finch]

On some level iv always gotten the feeling they were a result of the last war, disgruntaled vets going to get whats theirs.

[scenic loom]

they seem to be doing a good job in the Red Mile

[orchid finch]

guess i should have said operational security.

[daring lake]

The voice actor for Stocker also does the voice for Milena Axelrod ...
Could not be more different ...

[scenic loom]

thats uhh.... quite the voice change lol

[exotic nacelle]

https://tenor.com/view/space-outer-space-space-ship-gif-12307979

[astral zinc]

Not Kevin!!! Lol

https://tenor.com/view/final-space-gary-goodspeed-gary-kvn-drone-gif-25576731

Oh well, I’ve changed all the minibots in my ganes into claptraps

[slate valley]

I hope we NEVER meet the creators, or EVER understand the unity. This means more games in the series. Think about the Elder Scrolls series of games - who are the Elders? Have we ever "met" them? No. Thus ES6 is the next game in that series.

[high copper]

for me it's just not everything needs an answer or who's to say you'd even find an answer

[scenic loom]

But then what if we meet the Eldest of the Scrolls in 6?

i do agree about not knowing who made the Unity tho
leave it as a mystery

[slate valley]

Then that will be clearly the last ES game. Sad face.

[silk lotus]

I mean we are getting close to the end of the world in elder scrolls.

as kirkbride has foretold.

[spiral stirrup]

In elder scrolls we know about the Godhead. The ES universe exists in its dreams. Once Vivec understood this he was able to achieve CHIM.

It's theorized this is also why the dwarves disappeared. Its possible Kagrenoc found out about the godhead and once you do, you either reject the idea and disappear or accept it and achieve chim.

Dwarves practiced telepathy called the Calling. It's how every single dwarf could find out the same information at once and also since they were so logical choose to reject the truth and disappear.

[daring lake]

🤷‍♂️

[spiral stirrup]

One thing is that it's all off screen and we don't get to see it. It's just the writer Michael Kirkbride confirmed it

Not the dwarves, just the godhead

[tall shuttle]

That's post BGS so not 'cannon' right?

[spiral stirrup]

That I don't know, just generally accepted I think because he was a writer for daggerfall and oblivion. Also they haven't offered anything else

I'm wonder8ng what the hunter wanted to see

That was different after thousands of ng+ was it just us that was different?

[tall shuttle]

Don't even need to not explain the unity for more games; examples where explaining the god/cosmic entity/being beyond(s) comprehension pays off are close to zero.

Far better off not explaining and given their treatment of the dwemer I think Bethesda understand that.

[spiral stirrup]

The hunter wanted to meet them and never did

The Creators are BGS 🥁

[slate valley]

https://tenor.com/view/todd-howard-howard-intensifies-gif-11996072

[daring lake]

sigh ..... sip ☕

[tall shuttle]

Would be interesting to see a starborn that had gone insane from so many loops.

Query: Do starborn go back through the unity when they die or is the hunter just one of infinite hunters that has gone through many times where another infinite made it like 2.

[daring lake]

Hmmm.... Hunter gives the line " ... so this is what if feels like ..." just before he bleeds out
and passes. And the player character certainly does not go back.

[scenic loom]

https://tenor.com/view/wolverine-so-this-is-what-it-feels-like-xmen-logan-gif-17332583

this scene made me cry

the hunter's, not so much
just looted and yeeted

[spiral stirrup]

We need to be able to send people out of airlocks

[orchid finch]

Hack the ship from the outside and open the airlocks remotely?

[terse gazelle]

One thing I've wondered is why the hunter keeps starting his search, alongside other starborn, when we start the game? ||every unity reset is also from the same time, but how does the church guy have a whole church that's decades old at least? is there a revolving time loop? do any of them get to go beyond the same timeframe?||

[peak halo]

|| from my understanding, it's from resets to the point where you first grav-jumped after touching the artifact ||

[maiden dew]

Each Starborn resets to a different time. The Hunter mentions living on old Earth. So it seems likely that the Hunter has been hanging around for centuries in any given universe. In some NG+ universes, you can encounter Starborn versions of yourself. So that's why you have the Hunter and Keeper. They are both set points in your Time Loop. Some theories have the Hunter assume different identities over the long years. Sebastian Banks might have been the Hunter. Constellation may have been created to search for the artifacts. Enhance clinics have been around for a long time. So in game lore that changing your appearance is readily available.

[daring lake]

Hmmm ... all of that is possible. Although I have Banks down as Jinan Va'ruun ......

[jaunty ginkgo]

You make your own

[fallen kiln]

I think when you first touch an artifact. That initial vision changes you. You still need to complete the Armillary to fulfill that potential, but that first artifact sets the time when you appear in a new world

[orchid finch]

Your char was a nobody drifter that clearly failed at work and took the only thing offered...or they wouldnt be working for that company in the first place.

[maiden dew]

It depends on your traits and background. You can have parents in game. And you can have background as in the FC, UC, or a Settler. You could be a former soldier or a space scoundrel.

[sand spruce]

The point is that's all up to you. How you came to be a miner is completely your own headcanon and no one can argue otherwise. :)

[scenic loom]

"I have parents to support, no other job would accept me, Argos needed more hands, so i joined up, not like I had any other choice at the time" - A Starborn, somewhere

[peak halo]

You don't reset on vectera, you reset into space right before you would GJ

[rigid kiln]

What if I didn't grav jump tho 🤔

[scenic loom]

you would just be jumping in space......ffffooooorrrrreeeevvvveeeerrrrr

[safe kite]

Then you are still in the Narion system. And thus are not a special boy. 😄

[rigid kiln]

Idk I just wait while I fly hella slow

[safe kite]

||This is an excellent observation. I assumed it was when I touched the artifact, but the grav jump after makes perfect sense. Artifact primes the change, jump seals the deal.||

[peak halo]

Exactly. Because constellation mentions that you disappeared on the jump to jemison.

Its kinda a bookend, you access unity by grav jumping. So of course the first GD after touching the attic is the reset point

Also. We are the only star born who can't encounter our double without specific unity quirks

[rigid kiln]

Can't die if I don't accept time

[safe kite]

Woe to the Starborn who touched an artifact and then panic jumps away from a black hole afterwords.

Edit: [not based on true events]

[peak halo]

Wouldn't help. They wouldn't be able to collect the other artifacts, lol

[safe kite]

They make it away the first time, with seconds to spare, finish the armillary, victory lap through the unity to immediate interstellar jump scare.

Guess without a time loop it is less amusing.

[peak halo]

That is still funny

The first time, they wouldn't know where they restarted. The second they might be hoping for a different spawn point... They might give up after the third

[safe kite]

||99% of their versions probably die immediately. I always forget that they don't 'respawn', they just shotgun themselves into a bunch of other universe once they hit the unity||

[rigid kiln]

What would happen if you touch an artifact and it's the last one you need bc all others have already been touched and stuff and you then jump to the unity?

English 100 right here

[maiden dew]

You can encounter your your double. There is a specific variant where you and your NG+ universe native self both show up to Constellation. Separately, you can encounter Starborn versions of yourself in other NG+ universes.

[peak halo]

How?

I know about the lodge verse.

Anyone know how many unique variants of the verses there are?

[maiden dew]

When you jump through Unity, the new universe has a version of you already. In the standard NG+, your other self f's off to somewhere and is not heard from again. It is understandable- you have what you thought was just a standard mining job, and you discover some alien artifact and jumped by pirates. I can see how someone wants to nope out after that. But rarely, your other self gets curious and goes and checks out Constellation.

I think there are 9 variants. You can watch a youtube video that show the various variants. If you save just before you activate the jump drive to jump through unity, you can keep loading your save to get new variants.

I have gotten the Sarah is a plant, and the other you variants so far out of 4 jumps.

[peak halo]

Sarah is a plant? I've only done one NG+, and I'm not sure what was different, if anything.

[orchid finch]

Just wait till you get dear walter....jerk

[analog junco]

||🪴 ||

[peak halo]

Dear Walter?

[maiden dew]

First NG+ I think is always a standard universe. The references for the variants will be obvious if you experience them or watch videos of them.

[plain shore]

My first different lodge was evil me. Needless to say, I was underarmed. So I had to play smart with my fists and powers

Saving grace was Phase Time and maxed out Boxer Skill

[silk lotus]

I just got the evil andreja one. Had to use a crap lawgiver and 1/2 magshear mags along with supernova.

[daring lake]

And that is why I always go to MAST and take the weapons + ammo from there,
before visiting UC Surplus to "re-assign ownership" of Antonio's mini-gun
collection. After selling what I don't need at the TA and getting more ammo,
I head to the Lodge. 😉

[orchid finch]

someone doesnt take serpents embrace i see.

[stark shuttle]

What's the dialogue option if you have the serpents embrace?

I recently got the lone Walter universe and was able to persuade him to give me the artifacts for free as i had the Industrialist origin trait so made a business deal with him 😂

[pulsar nova]

I hear there's an event where you can encounter your former-lover-who-is-also Starborn. And there's unique dialogue. Is that true?

[daring lake]

You can meet a version, but not the actual one.

[fallen kiln]

So if you appear just as the Frontier jumps out ... that could work, timing-wise. Opens more questions about the nature of the Starborn Guardian ships though. I mean Starborn preumably created them, but if the first Starborn died in the vacuum of space because he didn't have a ship spawn with him, no-one would eer have got around to making the ship.

I'm tending to think that you'd spawn where and when you touched the artifact, but whoever set up the Guardians arranged it so they'd change where you returned to orbit above the planet.

[hard tulip]

the starborn def didn't create them

oh i forgot we can't send images

i think my original message didn't go through as a result of that so here's a link to a post containing one of the images i was gonna send (the ship one specifically)

https://www.reddit.com/r/NoSodiumStarfield/comments/18im7u1/pilgrims_rest_drawings_but_in_high_res/

the drawing of the ships has a note that depicts the pilgrim (old old starborn) being completely clueless as to why the ships exist

but he speculates "were these their ships?" so considering the fact that he is a starborn referring to an even more obscure group must mean the creators

the whole interesting bait and switch of the starfield story i think is the setup of starborn as being the ancient aliens trope when in fact most of them have about as much context as you do and are just humans with extra glitter -- everything surrounding the starborn (the temples, the spacesuits, the ships) are auto-generated by the creators, they're just living in that incomprehensible state of affairs, not responsible for creating it

[scenic loom]

[fallen kiln]

It means that the Hunter/Keeper/Pilgrim didn't create them, certainly. That doesn't rule out a previous starborn

I mean, they could have been created at the same time as the Temples, before anyone entered Unity. But that's taking a lot for granted too

I like to think that Victor Asiz made the Guardians. I imagine him spending thousands of lifetimes trying to find a way to avert catastrophe on earth, and advancing his grasp of science each time, until he eventually found a way to make a ship of the same star-stuff as the Starborn, so it would spawn with them

purely headcanon, of course, but then what isn't on this topic?

That's assuming that Earth's destruction would have happened anyway (the Hunter hints at this) and that Asiz eventually made the flawed grav drive to accelerate the crisis and force humanity to respond in a timely manner

But again, headcanon

[pulsar nova]

Is it acknowledged?

[fallen kiln]

The interesting picture is the last one. "I thought introducing these symbols to different cultures might bring about new meanings"

And you have a tribesman, a couple in 19th Century looking garb, and a 17th Century musketeer.

The tribesman could be from almost any period, but the other two way predate Asiz and the grav drive

Just how old is the Keeper?

I know the Hunter talks about being older than he looks, but...

Are we talking Lazarus Long? or Time Travel?

I'm kind of hoping not time travel

[maiden dew]

The Hunter mentions being from old Earth. Supposedly, you become immortal when stepping through the Unity.

One theory is that the Hunter is Aiza. The theory goes that Aiza searched over a long period of time for the artifacts, slowly collecting them. After stepping through Unity some number of times, he got impatient so concocted a plan to speed up humanity's migration to the stars by speaking to his alternate self after he first finds the artifact. Once humanity is out amongst the stars, he founds Constellation as Sebastian Banks to speed up the finding of the artifacts. For the Hunter, the ends justify any means. What does it matter if billions die so long as the Hunter can speed up finding the artifacts.

[wanton pond]

That's pretty harsh. A lot of folks do mining work irl for various reasons.

[peak halo]

Chances are, Argos pays more than a place like Cydonia, as the mining outpost will be much more dangerous

[safe kite]

Your char was a nobody drifter. My char was laying low after a cyber running job on Neon.

We are not the same.

[orchid finch]

sure sure keep telling yourself you didnt end up in the fly by night mining out fit by bad choices in life.

[daring lake]

A "fly by night" outfit with an expensive office in New Atlantis ......

[peak halo]

Uh... Argos is (generally) above board.

Only reason Constellation uses them is because Barrett knows Lin personally (it may not seem like it at first glance, but they are friends. They got into the deep end on Bindi Kahzal)

[rigid kiln]

Cant tell if that's a joke I don't get with my uncultured ass or if that's Ka'zaal written in a criminal way

[silk lotus]

Do we any proof of jinan va'ruuns fate? Was he still alive durring the serpent's crusade or do we have notes referencing his death. I know he was succeeded as va'ruuns leader at some point.

[daring lake]

Yes. Info in the Vanguard Orientation Hall (which you can visit at any time, quest or no)
When Jinan passed it was Jarek who took charge and sued for peace.

[safe kite]

We know the propaganda pushed by the UC.

[daring lake]

Whilst the tone of the various stuff in the Vanguard Hall is UC biased the actual
events, dates and timeline info is not propaganda.

[safe kite]

The content of the hall is heavily implied to be mostly revisionist UC propaganda. Dates are probably accurate, but bring Barrett along the next time you are there, and talk to the Vanguard applicants at the door.

Even ignoring the obvious ||"We definitely executed Francois Sanon"|| situation.

[daring lake]

Yeah, but you are talking about the biased tone, not the dates.
The forming of the FC, House Va'ruun revealing themselves, the dates of
the 2 conflicts and the Serpent's Crusade (and the reason it ended)
are not revisionist.

Plus they admit that there were protests against the Narion War and that
they were seen as "a brutal aggressor"

[orchid finch]

The UC charter should be revoked and several new factions rise from the ashes. maybe even some people could actually like lol.

I mean If I lived in the SF universe after seeing the factions...I would totally sign on with List and take my chances.

[spiral stirrup]

Definitely was cloned though, given how often it's used with starseed and vae victis

Enhance is kind of op, absolutely no down time either

[daring lake]

🤷‍♂️ What?

[spiral stirrup]

Jinan was definitely cloned, I'm sure we'll see him whenever we get the varuun questline

[daring lake]

You sound so sure. But there is no evidence to back that up, unless I've missed something.
And is that relevant?

[spiral stirrup]

Lol just speculation, but I'd bet heavy on Jinaan being cloned. Sébastien banks showing up too, or them being the same person. Pilgrim, banks, jinaan.

[hard tulip]

i suppose not! but the Pilgrim points out how the ships have the same design/architecture/motifs as the suits and (more crucially) the temples & the armillary which were absolutely made by the Creators, and i just don't see the point of having such an incredibly old & wise starborn character in the game if not for him to be the most authorative source on what the starborn do or don't know, or what they are and aren't capable of -- like the Hunter is from Earth, so by the same token Aquilus is, and if Aquilus has visited so ridiculously many universes that he's decided to stop doing it altogether and additionally he was (presumably, based on NG+ starting over Vectera) starting out on Earth pre-destruction each time i can't even fathom a canon Starborn character that would be even more mysterious and influential than him. plus if a Starborn did make the ships and the suits it would be odd that it's given to every single one of them because most Starborn have an agenda that conflicts with other Starborn, so why not let them suffocate in space while you (the theoretical shipbuilding person) grab all the artifacts? and how would they be so important and powerful as to hook up their own artificial/manmade creation to something as cosmic/natural as the Unity?

idk. i feel like you can make some sort of plausible explanation where a Starborn person is responsible for making the ships and the suits but like you say it requires a bit of headcanon or gymnastics

[spiral stirrup]

Pilgrim assigned the Greek alphabet to the artifacts

You could actually spell things with the symbols if you wanted to

[hard tulip]

whereas i feel like the simpler explanation is just. "the circley/loopy/spirally visual motif = the Creators made this thing" since that seems to be the implication of the Pilgrim's drawings when all put together and "the smartest NPC in the whole game can't figure this thing out = probably because the people responsible are the characters specifically made to be a mystery" (notably the Hunter also says "i have no idea who built the temples" and then you find out it was the Creators so if the Pilgrim says "i have no idea who built the ships" then i imagine the answer is a parallel; i.e. the same answer)

w the caveat ofc that sometimes humans mimic the circley motif as we (again) see in the Pilgrim's drawings but i feel like with the starborn gear having the context of being readily available immediately out of the Unity oven im inclined to think that those are from the original creators indeed, just my 2 cents tho

[hard tulip]

i think it's not so much time travel as just, the Pilgrim went into universes that had a different history of humanity so there were different historical periods at misplaced parts of time, i think so mostly bc theres also a drawing where he says that there were entire cultures of humanity that sprung up around the space temples but we see no evidence of such a thing (at least that i can recall) in the game so clearly the universes can be drastically different insofar as the history of humanity is considered -- but yeah i do also think that the Pilgrim is also just really old/ageless because we know he comes from Earth per the Hunter's dialogue as mentioned by alose

i do agree with the theory that victor aiza is the hunter/pilgrim/aquilus, just seems fitting and aiza is the only logical option for an earth-born starborn

it feels a bit cooler that way imo than the main antagonist of the game just being the priest you met like 20 minutes prior, i admit i felt a littleeee bit disappointed there, like... not severely but i had been clueing onto what's going on w the starborn for a while and i was fully excited & expecting the Hunter to be the player character from a different universe but it was just aquilus so it was a bit like "oh... ok then" but his identity being the one who made grav drives too would make up for it imo but that part is subjective

[hard tulip]

this one im not sure about because i dont think we've seen people's skin color vary per universe unless im wrong

sebastian banks is dark-skinned in the painting but aquilus/pilgrim is light-skinned

anyway sorry for the yapping just had a lot of thoughts ^^

[silk lotus]

are you sure the pic is sebestian banks? Is it labled?

[hard tulip]

its labeled in the starfield art book

[silk lotus]

oh well my mistake.

[hard tulip]

https://preview.redd.it/o15746leicub1.jpeg?width=2563&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9a41539c574e6d03f76c6f3ae588e307686988e1

the 3rd one ^ might have to zoom in to see the text but yea c:

[silk lotus]

I remember seeing that one in the lodge. Never saw the artbook.

didnt know it was him.

[spiral stirrup]

That's why enhance is so op. Anyone can easily be anyone

And after the update, unity trips will allow you to change appearance

[hard tulip]

i tried to ignore enhance because its true but also at that point i feel like any discussion about anything kinda collapses once you invite it into consideration yeah haha

the unity thing is a good point though, id still be cautious of it because the original intent was for your appearance to not change so i assume the lore was written with that in mind but if they retcon it, could be used

i wonder if the unity trips allowing you to change appearance is meant to be taken as canon given how fundamentally different it is from the original game where every other-universe person looks the same as each other 🤔

im glad they changed it though because reincarnating is more fun than erasing all progress for the sake of a silly-looking spaceship LOL

[silk lotus]

All I did was make my guy muscular (he was originally a fat foodie), and remove a tattoo that I latter added back.

[fallen kiln]

Mmm. But the thing that caught my attention is that the Pilgrim, in his drawings, talks about introducing the Starborn orbital path symbols into other cultures. And among the illustrations is a 17th Century musketeer. So unless time travel is going to be a thing, that pretty much rules out Asiz as the author of the notes

So that means that either the Hunter is far older than simply being alive when the Grav Drive was discovered, or else there's another Starborn that lived much earlier.

Couple of questions occur: How do we know that the Pilgrim goes on to be the Keeper? And do we know that the Pilgrim was the author of the notes and drawings we find? The books certainly, but the drawings could be someone else's work, collected as an act of scholarship and research

[hard tulip]

in NG+ aquilus just straight-up tells you that he is the Pilgrim because he realizes that you're starborn on first glance

that's why on the initial run of Starfield the clues to find the Pilgrim's Rest with Aquilus is so contrived haha, it's a little ridiculous at first that you put together space coordinates out of old fairytales intentionally, because the person you're talking to is the one who set them up in the first place

as for the Pilgrim being the one who wrote the notes scattered all over Pilgrim's Rest i'm not sure what else to say other than Occam's Razor, they're the messages detailing the experiences of a starborn who goes on frequent pilgrimages sharing a location with the writings of a starborn called the Pilgrim in a place called Pilgrim's Rest, like, i think the question to ask is why would it not be the Pilgrim haha, it just seems like the logical conclusion

but if i were to try and give it evidence (though i really dont think we have to in this case) i would say that the drawings talk about how he distributed the circular symbolism to various cultures and religions in the world and tried to teach them stuff, and then we know from the clues to find the Pilgrim that he too was going around the various religions of the systems and spreading knowledge and meeting their leaders and whatnot (and then Aquilus has you mimic him by talking to the 3 religions and learning from them yourself)

like there's this clear MO of "i infiltrate religions to teach people about the Unity" in all Aquilus/Pilgrim/GuyWhoMadeThoseDrawings that the other starborn dont have

he's even doing the same thing from the moment you meet him cause in the first playthrough his first encounter is him giving a story to students that's very obviously an allegory for the Hunter when you look back on it and he caps it off by saying the meaning of the story was "Unity"

[fallen kiln]

The thing is, there's a very clear depiction of a 17C musketeer, along with the annotation that the author of the sketch seeded that culture the circular symbolism used in the Starborn/Creator relics.

Now William of Occam's famous Razor says: "Do not multiply objects without necessity"; basically don't make stuff up if there's no need. But there is a need here.

Either we need to assume the existence of a race of effective immortals passing undetected among humans, poosibly since pre-history. OR we posit the existence of practical time travel. OR we posit the existence of an earlier, older Starborn than Asiz who left the notes that the Pilgrim collected.

I also too doubt there is enough evidence as yet to form a conclusion, but the question is fascinating, is it not?

Incidentally, I'm not sure about the Creators, but the creators of the Guardian ships and spacesuits were almost certainly human. The command chair is suitable for human use; the suit is styled to fit a humanoid frame.

Of course we can posit some biomorphic tech that configures itself to the needs of the species in question ... but here comes Willim of Occam again, wagging that razor at us.

[daring lake]

Well, we don't need to assume too much. The ship and your starborn body are made by the Unity.
Its a case of "say what you see" imo. Grav drives have been shown to possess an internal system
which is similar to human cognition ,and so by extension the artifacts and the Unity should also.
And with The Unity connecting all points of spacetime it is more than possible that all this
machinery was the work of humans. The case is strong imo for the view that artifacts, temples
and The Unity are all parts of a connected and aware machine.

[jaunty ginkgo]

In the encounter between a Vanguard and a smuggler, I just noticed that "part-timer" can be used as an insult to the Vanguard. Neat

[maiden dew]

We are all living in a simulation?

[daring lake]

That is far from what I am saying. To be clear, the player character is involved in a situation
that he/she has no control over imo. Nothing more than that is my view.

[silk lotus]

what do yoy guys think the Hunter and Emisarry do if you take both on but do the speech check planetside? Like do they just settle down somewhere.

[spiral stirrup]

We definitely should be able to run into them after. I wish other npcs flew their own ships more and you could find them on all kinds of random planets.

[scenic loom]

I gotta ask, where do ya'll think House Va'ruun is located?

some ideas im thinkin...

• are they in a universe of their own?... that we will enter through the unity or a specific kind of grav jump?
• are they in the universe we are in just "hidden" in some planets that will appear once the expansion is added?
• or maybe like that one side quest where we jump back and forth between two "universes", that when we enter the planet, by the time we land, we are in a completely different "planet"

[safe kite]

Money is on systems shrouded by a pretty nebula. maybe with a space phenomenon that makes it Weird and thus 'shattered'.

[scenic loom]

ooh, interesting

id also like to think, we will be getting a few more systems a but further away from the current systems that are "hidden" until we "meet up" with the Va'ruun or whoever

[safe kite]

Very easy to expand the map. The Settled SYstems is pretty small. Space Weirdness and Nebulas and the like have so far been pretty underutilized in the main game.

[scenic loom]

also, in one interview before the release Todd was asked if there will be Black Holes and he was very on the hush hush about it... so here's hoping we do somehow get to see a blackhole at some point

[spiral stirrup]

Hidden in plain sight just like the abandoned starstations methinks.

[high copper]

Same, space is big, they could have something that prevents scanners from locating them

[safe kite]

How would growing up in ~1.5G effect the human body? Would folk from Akila/Neon just be mad strong? Would this be enough to give their militia an advantage in surface combat?

[high copper]

I think it was a simple mistake in making those palaces not have just regular earth gravity

[safe kite]

It is noted in several places by characters there that it is a high gravity world, so seems intentional.

[peak halo]

A .5g difference isn't that much. It's like carrying an extra 5 pounds

[safe kite]

It is a 50% increase. Something 10 lbs would be 15. 20 would be 30, etc. If you weighed 200 lbs, it would feel like you weigh 300.

[spiral stirrup]

They win all the gold medals in the settled systems Olympics

[scenic loom]

yeah, that sounds like it, that def sounds like something they would do for sure

[scenic loom]

you would think being on those planets for a few hundred years might change the biology of those humans living there but i guess that might be too meta for us irl to experience such a thing

[safe kite]

That's kinda my thought. Probably wouldn't be anything too drastic and having higher bone density and musculature wouldnt do much in a sci fi war setting (guns and all), but since melee combat and jumping/boosting around is still a component of combat, might give FC an edge. Just didnt know if it was addressed by the game at all, lore-wise.

[scenic loom]

i guess to "add" to the way the humans in starfield become after leaving earth in order to make our characters feel like their bodies are affected depending on where they are from.... Bethesda added the traits "Terra firma" and the space one (forgot the name) as a way to give players that side effect ingame

may not be the same, but since we are still playing a game, i guess its close enough

[silk lotus]

My money is on another universe that we will access via tech added to our grav drive (like the armillary). So insteaf of jumping to another star system will be jumping into a select universe.

[scenic loom]

oh, that would be neat to see
yeah

another universe, or a distant "space"

[silk lotus]

I still think that tha colony ship that Jinan was on had a glitch/error on their grav jump that caused them to get to that said universe/system. Jinans meeting with the great serphent still happened.

[scenic loom]

man, its been so long since i did anythin that relates to the Varuun in the base game aaprt from getting attacked, talking to Andreja surely helps and i should talk to her more...... when the SFSE updates... ugh... the waiting

[silk lotus]

Im trying to grind maxed out powers before the dlc, after that is eather a animal rancch outpost or moonshine empire for me.

alien liquor technically.

[peak halo]

Yeah, you right, I was half asleep when I was thinking that, lol

[scenic loom]

livin that space farm life, ay? i dig it
|| ya know...before the great serpent arrives and all that ||

[silk lotus]

Im sure the great serphent will respond well to my tributes..... of moonshine.

[scenic loom]

[scenic loom]

im wonderin.... is Alpha Centuari the closest star to our sol system the reason why the UC decided to make it the capital system?

[peak halo]

Most likely

It was the largest, most well established colony at the time, being the first colony

[scenic loom]

hmmmm true that

[silk lotus]

so they went to jemison then back to mars? I though cydonia existed to generate materials for ships that far back aswell? Maybe im mistaken though?

[safe kite]

Mars came first. Jemison was first extra solar colony.

Cydonia was 2112, New Atlantis 2156, iirc.

[peak halo]

Cydonia also doesn't have good qualities for a capitol planet

[scenic loom]

nope

[silk lotus]

we are talking about colonies. Not just capitols. Point is that Cydonia was the first cololny (Mining colony) that produced matertials for the exodus (leaving hearth) and getting to jemmison.

[scenic loom]

without the Mars mining colony, there would have never been any colonies in the settled systems
humanity would have died off before the events of the game even existed

[peak halo]

Yeah, I meant that New Atlantis was the first extrasolar colony

[orchid finch]

Dont forget, without the mars colony there would have been no grav drive, thus no destruction of earth from early grav drive use.

[fallen kiln]

Debatable. When you talk to the Hunter and the Emissary and the subject comes up he says something along the lines of "... assuming Earth wouldn't have been destroyed anyway".

I tend to the theory that the Earth was going to be destroyed, and that the Grav Drive just accelerated the process.

Deliberately so, in order to force humanity to address the problem in time

[rigid kiln]

Problem is that it isn't the closest star 😭

[stark shuttle]

Closest star with a golden world In its system?

[scenic loom]

like Siluri says, it is the closest star that has a habital/Goldilock world at the very least
we did need a new planet to live in, yea?

how else will we worship snake-daddy if we go extinct

[rigid kiln]

Doesn't proxima have a confirmed planet in the habitable zone unlike alpha?

[scenic loom]

Proxima?
where Paradiso is? well yes but its so far away

[rigid kiln]

No

Proxima centauri, the closest star to earth...

[slate valley]

Nah, thats just refering to stuff like the asteroid that wiped out the dinosaurs and nuclear war. Not some prophesy that the earth is going to be destroyed if we don't leave the planet. The only difference is Aiza knew beforehand that the grav drive would break earths magnetic field. And so deliberately designed it that way to force people into space and onto other planets.

[rigid kiln]

Part of the trinary centauri system

[scenic loom]

oooh, umm im not sure

i just know what i know through SF lol

[rigid kiln]

It's the closest star to earth and it has a confirmed planet in the habitable zone unlike alpha centauri

Yea valid there should be 3 stars which is something I'm still pissed about

[scenic loom]

well then, theres your possible planet you can run to

[rigid kiln]

Also it's almost 4 am idk what I'm doing with my life complaining about this 😭

Like we don't have any confirmed planets for alpha centauri or beta centauri (toliman) we only know that proxima has 2 and maybe a unconfirmed 3rd

[fallen kiln]

Can I get some opinions? When you get to revisit Petrov during the buried temple quest - who do you think was talking through Petrov?

It's clearly not Petrov: he changes tone and starts talking about things the real Petrov knew nothing about

Its not the Hunter, because it still happens if you side with the Hunter

[rigid kiln]

Could be a starborn version no?

[fallen kiln]

It could be Unity "you" perhaps, but that judgemental tone is completely missing from that interaction

Starborn Petrov? I suppose it's possible. He seems a bit too lazy for the type though

I'm wondering if it's a bit of foreshadowing of a DLC adversary

[fallen kiln]

But the Hunter can remember living on Earth. If we always respawn at the time we touched our first artifact or first grav jumped, then he's probably seen Earth's fate in many different universes

I like the idea that he's actually Asiz, but even if not, it's possible that he knows that Earth's destruction was inevitable

[stark shuttle]

I personally think it's not Petrov at all but the same entity as the 'you' in the Unity. Vlad that appears in the other vision is also not the Vlad you know. They are not moments in the past or future, but what ifs. I say that because the vision on the Eye. Look up at the glass dome above you and there are no stars unlike the real Eye. It's not real.

[daring lake]

The Buried Temple is "testing" you. It adds to the view that grav drives, artifacts, temples
and The Unity are all distributed parts of a self aware, and connected machine imo.

[stark shuttle]

Each test suggests something. - This is where everything changed for you. This is how far you are willing to go. This is how it could have ended for you and still could.

[peak halo]

No he didn't. He didn't realize what was happening until it was too late to save earth, after they they modified the GDs to not strip atmosphere from planets. (IIRC, he was told how to fix it by something....)

[daring lake]

Yes he did. He says so himself in a slate recording.

[peak halo]

Hmm...

I'll have to replay that mission....

[daring lake]

Judith Tatienne says " ... you knew, you knew and said nothing ..."

[rigid kiln]

yea he did it on purpose

[daring lake]

He shows the same lack of empathy shown by The Hunter imo.
And is THE biggest mass murderer in human history.

[rigid kiln]

might be the ceo of mass murder but he doesn't get policed by the mods for using va'ruun curse words

[glacial breach]

I'm 80% convinced the dialogue about characters hearing music upon touching the artifacts is about: basically since the unity is basically a more evidently present version of monism it would make sense that this hallucination would be a more literal interpretation of a common description of monism which reads something like "being a single note in a great harmony" in other words when you touch the artifact and awaken to the oneness of everything you hear the whole piece

[maiden dew]

I think they wait till you go through Unity, then go through themselves later.

[safe kite]

1.5x the gains.

[slate valley]

Yeah, but we all talk about how close we are to exterminating ourselves or being wiped out like the dinosaurs were which is why some of us closely monitor the "sky" looking for that big one. Aiza was just using that to excuse the choices he made with the grav drive design he made. He knew that particular design was going to disrupt the magnetic field around Earth and cause the atmosphere to be stripped away and the seas to then boil off. He knew. And all the time the grav drives just needed a slightly different configuration for that to not happen.

[terse gazelle]

That's a good point, our magnetosphere is flipping poles and will be severely lowered for a while making any sort of cosmic wind debilitating to human civilisation. Running a interplanetary civilisation would be impossible if the power goes out every couple of weeks. Although, the grav drive did irreparable harm to the planet that wouldn't happen otherwise

[maiden dew]

I think he caused the destruction to speed up the colonization of space. Imagine spending multiple millennia to find all the artifacts on your own.

[orchid finch]

so just touching an artifact must make people immortal. how else would they have the time to find them all....when not hand fed directions?

[maiden dew]

Or maybe he found a temple in his old age. And that grants immortality. Which gave him time to find the rest.

[orchid finch]

well i mean it would explain the scan readings they comment about.

[faint cave]

Is Sam still with Cora when they went through the Unity?

[slate valley]

Well, when you encounter Sam as the Emissary - he is ALONE.

[faint cave]

Sheet

[fallen kiln]

You have to remember: there are two Aizas in this scenario. There's the one we find dead who sabotaged the Grav Drive, and there's the (presumably Starborn) version that appeared to him in his artifact vision, showed him New Atlantis. We don't know how many times Starborn Aiza might have seen Earth die. It's possible that he talked his much younger self into doing what he did as a "lesser of two evils" course of action

[daring lake]

Whilst that is possible it is not a "done deal" The colonisation of other systems would have
happened even if Aiza had applied the updates to the grav drive design that would have
meant no damage to Earth. So, for some reason, he saw the destruction of Earth as necessary.
Did he meet a "future self"? Is The Hunter a version of Aiza?
There is also a case to be made that Aiza met The Unity rather than a future self.

[fallen kiln]

Well, no, it's not a done deal. This is all just speculation at the moment.

That said, there might not have time to colonize other systems

Let's suppose that something Humanity had done had already messed up the planet, but the long term effects wouldn't show up for a few decades. And let's further suppose that there wasn't much interest on Earth in setting up colonies. The first Aiza's grav drive could have been pretty much an academic curiosity, and by the time the danger became clear, there would have been no time to develop it properly

I imagine the OG Aiza going round and round the Starborn rebirth loop, trying to put together the funding for a project that would get mankind ready for the evacuation and failing each time, until he eventually made the problem worse out of sheer desperation

[terse gazelle]

There's multiple valid reasons why he did it the way he did:
• It's possible he already experienced the unity after slowly expanding with humanity many times, got jaded and decided to speed up the process by a hundred years
• He could have foreseen a disaster just as bad and got everyone ready the quick and dirty way
• Each timeline isn't set in stone so maybe he decided to screw up earth for sh*ts and giggles this time around and we're just unlucky enough to be in the Bad Timeline
etc. etc.

[daring lake]

There is evidence that the planet was fine, and had not been "messed up". And, with
corporate interests already out there in space, it is not reasonable to suppose a lack
of interest in developing extra-solar resources. They were already busy in establishing
Mars as a mining colony and launch point.

[fallen kiln]

What evidence?

[daring lake]

On the slate where they talk about the discovery of Earth's upcoming doom,
and discuss how they should deal with it. The subject of how climate change
was dealt with is mentioned, and that it should be approached in a much more
urgent way. So it seems that previous issues were dealt with, and that no other
issues were on the horizon.

[fallen kiln]

So you're saying that there were no long term issues that they were not yet aware of because if there had been such issues that they were unaware of, they'd have been aware of them and recorded them in the slate?

[terse gazelle]

but at that point it's just unsubstantiated headcanon, which is fine, but there's not really a leg to argue on whether it's true or not

[fallen kiln]

Well yes. This is all speculation because there is no evidence as any of this stuff

In no way am I claiming "truth" here

[terse gazelle]

I kind of like the idea myself, it's a good motivator to explain his actions, but I'm not sure if they'll ever expand upon it (unless it's a hint at an overarching plotline)

[fallen kiln]

It'd be a good wrap up for a final DLC. Give us the "true" story of The Fall Of Earth

[maiden dew]

While resources would be exploited if Earth didn't die, there is no reason to assume other planets would be colonized in a quick fashion. Nor that there would be private exploration. Such a scenario would explain why the Hunter would sacrifice the Earth to speed up his NG+ run.

[safe kite]

No other issues on the horizon that they were aware of. Aiza gives the impression that they are about to hit a wall they haven't seen yet, but doesn't give any more info than that, or state it explicitly. All we know is that future aiza deemed it necessary to speed up development at the expense of earth, for whatever reason.

[buoyant hearth]

Maybe the Earth was an egg housing a "Great Serpent" as House Va'Ruun would call it and he was trying to kill it and get everyone off earth before it killed everyone.

[silk lotus]

I think it's more him sacrificing earth and human lives to build a better world in the stars. His recording mentions he saw a thriving civilization among the stars.

[maiden dew]

Yeah, but the settled systems are not thriving. UC is locked into complacency. FC adn UC are dwindling down into late stage Capitalism. If you are not a Roman I mean New Atlantis citizen, or a well off executive in Neon, things are not pleasant for you.

[daring lake]

Yeah .... nah ..... The total lack of empathy the guy displayed towards the billions
of lives he was going to destroy was astonishing imo. Using a possible future as an
excuse for his own need to be the dicoverer of a new science.

[safe kite]

We have very little to go off of in terms of motivations for the guy. Could be "this is the lesser of two evils" or it could be "I need a shortcut to the artifacts"

[maiden dew]

Yep, but if the Hunter is Aiza, then one makes more sense. In a literary sense, Aiza and the Hunter being the same person wraps up things nicely.

[round harbor]

are chunks inspired by nasa's food cubes from the 1960s?

https://airandspace.si.edu/collection-objects/space-food-strawberry-cubes-apollo-11-red/nasm_A19940141000

[crisp sentinel]

Seems pretty likely

[peak halo]

I'm guessing yes. Cause of the Nasalunk aesthetic.

[silk lotus]

is there any lore on the chems of starfield? Like were they ever used by the military similar to fallouts Psycho?

[safe kite]

It is mentioned that Battlestims were developed for soldiers during the colony war (but also available recreationally)

[boreal trout]

Good that we have long ISS missions and scientists figured out this kind of meal is dramatic for mental health

[pale goblet]

Go on

[boreal trout]

Preparing food yourself, eating together and fresh products have benefits - better mood, better productivity and focus

They aren’t only allowed to eat things that make crumbs

https://open.spotify.com/episode/5OZaPF2qMwwJvqWj0dRI2C?si=RQJB-DHSRAyJ7XKK1pNMiA

It’s this podcast I think. But there are tons of videos made by astronauts on board talking about food.

Fun fact. Favourite free time activity of iss astronauts is looking at earth from above. It’s serious issue for Mars travel because only thing you will see from window is void.

[daring lake]

... plus lots of stars 😉

[boreal trout]

I would be bored with stars pretty quickly

[sand spruce]

They're also difficult to see without a lensing atmosphere.

[strange sail]

I want meccas in a dlc

Since I saw that there was a war in which Mechs were used as if it were Gundam or something similar, I imagined the possibilities of a planet on the edge of the galaxy where there are fights with clandestine Mechs.Since supposedly after that war they were banned and well in history we see that there are people who are dedicated to repairing mechs so a dlc like that could be given and it would be brutal to create your own mech

[peak halo]

Lin has experience with the Artifacts

Bindi Kazal is where Barrett most likely found his artifact

[silk lotus]

Sort of. She never got the visions though.

[jaunty ginkgo]

Lin didn't pick up the Artiact, Barrett did. The mining crew just made a break into the cave, and Barrett's the only one who saw it

I think I got this from conversations with Lin being a companion

[keen spear]

I mean, no I kinda don't think there should be mechas. I kinda like that the whole point of the massive weapon of mass destruction platform was banned. It makes sense, like gundam isn't about how cool giant robots are it was about how we replaced stuff like tanks and fighter jets with something so destruction it can level entire cities in a day.

generally when a setting uses mecha it's supposed to be a commentary on weapons of mass destruction, hence why metal gear literally had metal gears being smaller versions of a nuclear weapons platform or how in Armored Core the main thing making the surface near unlivable is constant use of mechas by megacorps that earth became a war-torn and heavily polluted hellhole

Starfield is basically the end state of what happens when the city-destroying machines of war are banned, especially when a once hospitable world is now a heavily polluted hellhole that only the most brave or foolish scavengers try to strip the wreckages of.

also building a mech when the two most powerful forces in the Settled Systems are not ok with them is a good way to get orbital bombed

[digital raptor]

The game's narrative can go anywhere at this point, especially with the multiverse. Very easy to create an excuse for why mechs would be brought back. That's something Bethesda could easily explore in a DLC. Already halfway to the mech framework with power armor in Fallout.

[rigid kiln]

Psykatik always hurts my soul when she writes Ka'zaal wrong 😭

[peak halo]

Sorry. I'll try to remember that

[spiral stirrup]

Really wish during my many artifact excavations to offer it to Sarah, Andreja, or matteo

[fallen kiln]

Constellation's first artifact was sat gathering dust on a shelf in the basement for years, apparently

Someone must have put it there, so I'm going to go out on a limb and suggest that Sebastian Banks got that particular artifact vision.

Barret got a vision, which suggests he was on hand to pick up the Ka'zaal artifact personally. Heller may have found it, as sponsor of the dig, Barrett claimed the honour of pulling it free from the rock

[fallen kiln]

Then the third vision goes to the player character

I wonder what it would take to insulate someone from an artifact. Spacesuit gloves clearly aren't enough. Could you use a pair of tongs? Maybe get Vasco to retrieve it?

[fleet cove]

I just realized, on my NG+5 run fighting the hunter, during the sequence when the temple teleports you into the well, the hunter is the one fleeing and UC are attacking you, its really meant to be a hint that YOUR the hunter

the foreshadowing there

[silk lotus]

0h yeah totally. Im on new game plus 8. About to wrap it up and settle down next universe. Hoping I dont meet evil Andreja for a third time in a row.

heck id take evil walter over evil andreja.

[daring lake]

Bear in mind that the Buried Temple re-creates all the different places,
and that "You" are actually seeing what it wants you to see.
But an interesting take for sure. 🙂

[silk lotus]

do you guys think the unity creates the universes? If so maybe the creators are those who build the temples and artifacts.

[daring lake]

The Unity tells "You" that "all points connect to here"
And if you ask the question "Who created the temples ....",
then you are given the answer " ... who else but creators?"

[silk lotus]

so I may be right then? haven't spoken to the unity since my first universe. Been speedrunning to max powers.

[daring lake]

If you don't want the spoiler then I'll say no more 😉

[fallen kiln]

I think it's all a bit "many words/quantum mechanics". Every decision you make creates two new universes. One where you did the thing, and one where you did not.

You deciding to enter Unity creates an infinite number of universes - the universes that existed before you multiplexed yourself, and the ones where you were injected into that universe

[daring lake]

That becomes a probabilty rather than creation.

[fallen kiln]

How so?

[daring lake]

Ah ... this gets us into the whole irl multiverse theory, and quantum level probabilities.
For instance, we exist in our universe because this is a universe that we can exist in.
It starts to get a bit mind boggling tbh.
In essence all the different unis exist regardless of which decisions you make. Because
all decisions happen. Even ones that you are not aware of.

[fallen kiln]

That's kind of my point. If you enter Unity, if you merge with Unity, then arguably you inject yourself into all those universes, and the probability becomes 1. Even if we as players can only experience them sequentially

[fleet cove]

i sometimes think to myself every time I die its a take of an alternate universe diverging from the point of the previous save file

[fallen kiln]

Absolutely!

[fleet cove]

I mean why not? Spec ops made dying and loading earlier checkpoint into a halucination in martin walkers deteriorating mind 😄

[daring lake]

Well, right now I'm about to enter the uni where I decided to go out for a beer 🙂

[fallen kiln]

That's the best approach for this sort of speculation

[fleet cove]

I'm about to head to bed but, i'm in the wrap-up for NG+5 at this point

[fallen kiln]

Alas, I'm still at work. Booze comes later,

[fleet cove]

2 more and it'll be caught up to the soldier character

[sand spruce]

Consider the concept that all player experiences are canon. :P

[fallen kiln]

That's what they kept trying to get at in TES, I think, with the Elder Scrolls and the timey-wimey stuff

"It's all true! Event the lies! Especially the lies!"

But it's never a popular idea because most people are only comfortable with a singular, unambiguous Truth

[safe kite]

Im a fan of TES' lore being 99% from in universe, fallible and biased sources.

Makes it more interesting.

[brazen wedge]

TES is definitely not related to Starfield 😭🙏

Like be fr

[fleet cove]

Its a thing to consider in online roleplaying to, if you have two thors, both are thor

[uncut pumice]

So one thing I always found so interesting is that the UC has such a weird structure of military consisting of:
UCSEC - City and Station Police Forces
UC Navy - Just a navy but in spaaaaace

UC SysDef - Specifically the 'coast guard' of the UC Navy
UC Marine Corps - Basically the same as marines IRL, infantry used as foot support for naval incursions
UC Vanguard - A Civilian Navy that for some reason gives way too much authority to people who aren't actual members of the military.
UC Army - Something kinda strange as we never encounter anything to do with the army, the general of it isn't really interactable and there is little to no information on it.

I think it's weird there is zero content for the UC Army, who have zero presence on any planet or even mention in the lore as having something to do in the war which seemed to have been dominated by naval and marine warfare.

[manic igloo]

Maybe DLC will fill in the gaps. There is almost zero content for the Serpent’s Embrace trait (about 4 moments in total throughout the whole game), so there were some missing pieces in total.

[silk lotus]

I think there is a encounter of the army training recruits at a rarer poi. Ive only seen them like once though. Also what about the ground troops on londinoin, were they army or have I miss remembered?

[daring lake]

They are UC Marines iirc

[faint cave]

Also Groundpounder

[patent dome]

Would the Terrormorphs be subterranean creatures, due to them feasting on "energy" (thermal, electric, or gravitational(after Vanguard questline, they start showing up at the temples)), yet they also eat meat?

[daring lake]

Erm .... feasting on energy? What leads you to say that?
If you survey Toliman II you will find the 'Morphs roaming around and
behaving as top predator, chasing and killing other fauna. They behave
like any other predatory fauna.
In the wider game its not unusual to find them at various natural POI's
and Temples. That may just be a gameplay thing imo.

[jaunty ginkgo]

They cause brownouts in ships

[high copper]

would be an interesting addition, rare chance when landing on idk certain worlds a heatleech would spawn in your ship and cause you to loose one point of energy, and the more there are the more you lose them... unless the usual glitch happens and they fall out of the ship and you can't get them so they never die and your ship is constantly in not a good state... unless unless you could also just ask ship technicians to clear out any

[daring lake]

Really? You mean the heetleech yes/no? 'Morphs don't go looking for heat sources
to nest in afaik.

[jaunty ginkgo]

Heatleeches, yes. I was conflating the two

[peak halo]

Heat leaches are terrormorphs

However, even the heat leaches are predatory, They will attack you if you get too close, and it is implied they eat their kills

[daring lake]

Well, in the same way that a caterpillar can be a butterfly .... 🙂

[rigid kiln]

as they should

[silk lotus]

pretty sure there is a pic of them leeching from a human courpse in the artbook.

heat leaches.

[terse gazelle]

Makes sense, probably live in geothermal vents on the home planet

and then get btfo'd once topside

[rigid kiln]

I assume heatleeches need all that energy for their skein cells

[peak halo]

I love how londinion is this icy hell scape, and it has a native species that feeds off heat, that eventually turns into this horrific monster that will murder everything.

[rigid kiln]

I mean the whole planet isn't ice

[terse gazelle]

probably a red herring, Cold Planet, Heat Leaches, designed to throw you off

[peak halo]

Why did they set up a city in the frozen hellscape

[rigid kiln]

I'd assume looking at the state of the city that the poles weren't as big back then

[peak halo]

Why would they get bigger?

[rigid kiln]

idk why does nature do things I'm no expert in alien climate

[peak halo]

Without an extreme astrological event, the poles shouldn't have grown that fast.

A meat packing plant there makes sense, but an entire city?

[rigid kiln]

probbo the same reason why our closest star with a confirmed planet in the habital zone isn't in the game

[terse gazelle]

I'd say because the terrormorphs are infesting the warmer parts, but they didn't know they were there right?

[rigid kiln]

I think heatleeches only need the energy for their skein cells tbh I don't think terrormorphs need them

[terse gazelle]

Fair enough, they probably have a lot of energy packed in there if it's a hundred years of gestation too

[rigid kiln]

yea

[peak halo]

70 years

[uncut pumice]

This actually depends, heatleech behavior ranges from passive to jittery to down right aggressive it just depends on where you find them.

Also are heatleeches more like a worm or a snake?

[silk lotus]

they love like a snake if I recall?

[peak halo]

Snake

They are psuedo-reptilian

[rigid kiln]

I wonder if people eat heatleech on a stick

[silk lotus]

i mean they do drop nutrient when killed.

[rigid kiln]

I'm gonna sell heatleech on a stick

[maiden dew]

I still think the Great Serpent is a Heatleech.

[manic igloo]

…why?

[maiden dew]

I have a theory that Terrormorphs are the corrupted remnants of the Creators. They have powers similar to Starborn and contain quark DNA.

[keen acorn]

other creatures all over have quark DNA.

The other side is there are friendly Terrormorphs. They also get sick.

[keen spear]

Terrormorphs don't really have powers, everything they do is just either camouflage which is common in numerous types of animals like certain lizards, octopi and squids or a hallucinogenic gas

[peak halo]

I mean... Gas isn't the right term

It's pheromones.

[keen spear]

Right right my bad

[uncut pumice]

They are psychic

They are the only other creatures who are psychic other than the starborn. So they may be onto something.

[daring lake]

It is described in game as "Pheromonic projection" by the scientists that
studied them. Not really psychic imo.

[scenic loom]

House Va'ruun only cares about one race
...... when the first land vehicle is out, its on!

https://tenor.com/view/tyco-cliffhangers-slot-cars-tyco-slot-cars-cliffhangers-toys-gif-22258017

[rigid kiln]

[uncut pumice]

Honestly I'll say this

I want 3 things in Starfield NGL

-Land Vehicles
-Claiming dungeon structures to be like "workshops"
-I wanna bring back Nova Galactic, I have really come to appreciate the NASA punk aesthetic

[gusty falcon]

How would you want Nova Galactic brought back? I only ask because we do have a sort of an alternative to a Star yard for them on that one colony in the Sol System.

[silk lotus]

I just want armor skins. Let me look unique compared to every other bounty hunter wearing the sme one or two armors.

[solid verge]

Boy do I have news for you about that first point

[uncut pumice]

Be able to revive them! I love the idea of reviving dead corporations, like ik that's super niche but at the same time it fills the exact same niche as something like vault-tec workshop in fallout 4

Ideally it would also add the ability to make cruiser ships!

[cyan osprey]

Being able to assign people to other ships to follow you would also be cool

I feel like I'm wasting credits sometimes by buying a ship and holding it somewhere just to not be used most of the time

[safe kite]

Random theorycrafting:

||The Creators are beings in another dimension (that Grav Drives tap into when they jump), who are in the midst of a civil war, which began sometime before or after they built the temples. The 'God' of the Sanctum Universum represents one faction, and the Starborn are generally acting as their agents in our dimension, whether they realize it or not, in order to continue tapping into the Creator's tech. The Great Serpent represents another faction of the Creators, and uses House Va'ruun as their agents in our dimensions. Both involve 'seeing something' when jumping, and both now involve a religion formed around the idea.||

[silk lotus]

I just think the great serphent is what the va'ruun call the creator of each universe. The term "Creators" refer to all of the "great serpents" in the multiverse. When a "great serpent" gains control of the artifacts they commence the shrouding where their essence is spread across the universe they are in when they enter the unity. Remember how the unity tells us that a part of us will remain as our essence is spread through the universe we leave?

The va'ruun escape the shrouding my going to the unity with the great serphent, similar to how we take constalation with us most of the time we enter the unity (not always I know there are unique universes).

[rigid kiln]

I see the great serpent as an aspect of Vita

[silk lotus]

vita?

[rigid kiln]

uhfaehfha srry
the void, the beast at the end of time, the inevitable end of the universe

[uncut pumice]

I agree. Let me have UC, Crimson Fleet and Freestar skins for other armors. Like dude imagine a UC Marine skin for the Deepseeker or Shocktrooper armors

[silk lotus]

I like the bouny hunter armor personally, but I would easily join the rangers full time if I got a brown and red ranger skin.

[uncut pumice]

something that tickles me to death

Is if you finish the Space Frog mission on Cydonia-- you can find Space Frog posters in other towns

[silk lotus]

You just reminded me to do that mission and hang one in my captains quarters.

[obtuse belfry]

So I just started the game 8-10 hours ago so don't know much about the lore yet and I'm going through the Vanguard Training and the Museum. I have one question in mind:

Did the Freestar Collective have a justification when they started colonizing Vesta (like a loophole in the treaty or smth), or were they completely dismissive of Narion's Treaty and openly admitting to violating it?

[spring hemlock]

I think the colony was somewhat unofficial, but pretty large and funded indirectly via the FSC. That's why the UC didn't like it.

Smaller independant colonies funded and supported by the FSC or UC are fine, but I think the "independant" and "small" part didn't for the colony in Vesta

[jaunty ginkgo]

Word from passing Settler ships that they heard Eleos Retreat is a "resort for criminals. I must've heard them wrong." Incredible

[obtuse belfry]

Ahh I see that actually makes a lot of sense, thank you so much!

[peak halo]

I mean, look at Tau Ceti. That's a UC colony, not on an official UC world.

[safe kite]

I thought that was an independent colony that the uc was keeping tabs on, due to citizens.

[rigid kiln]

They all dead now

[peak halo]

'technically' independent.

Like Vesta

[jaunty ginkgo]

Wasn't the one on Tau Ceti a company operation? Is there a meaningful distinction there?

[silk lotus]

yeah. You are right.

But why would the UC send vanguard to a unaffiliated outpost? Maybe there is a business agreement between the production facility and the UC? Maybe the UC buys foodstuff for their citizens and military at a discounted rate in exchange for UC benefits?

I used to work at a grocery store who would buy local produce at a discounted rate, while at the same time they would send expired produce back to the place they bought it from as compost.

Maybe they sell to the UC at a discounted rate in exchange for some benefits?

[keen spear]

Could be that the UC has an actual ownership over Tau Ceti as opposed to Vesta where it was unaffiliated territory

Of course just theorizing that but it'd make sense if Tau Ceti had an official charter under the UC so it's entirely legal for the UC to actually sell land to companies to use it.

[silk lotus]

that would go against the narrion treatys limit on colonization.

Id say its more of a independent business operation who does business with the UC in some capacity.

[safe kite]

Narion Treaty dictates 3 systems per faction. UC's is Alpha Centauri, Sol, and Wolf.

[keen spear]

Ah alright

[silk lotus]

also toilman. thats 4 for uc. FC has Narrion, Volii, cheyenne, and Valo.

I think that Alpha Centary and Toilman as well as Narrion and Valo are classified as Binary star systems.

so they may count as 1 system, thus putting both at 3 systems with one Binary star system with 2 stars, and 2 with only a single star.

[safe kite]

Counts as Alpha Centauri. Binary system.

[keen spear]

3 systems per faction is wild considering how many there are

[high copper]

I mean they still have to fully occupy their current ones, I think they’ll be fine for a long time

[daring lake]

The Narion Treaty gave the UC mineral rights to a number of unspecified systems.
And both the UC and FC are allowed to establish outposts for mining, research and
resource expoitation.
So the food processing plant on Tau Ceti (established by the UC) and the research
stations on Altair (FC) are within any and all treaties. But straight up colonization
is off the table.

[orchid juniper]

https://imgflip.com/i/8prik5

[hushed rock]

the way roleplaying as a va’ruun smuggler is not only viable but established in lore 😭 i need more vr quests but I’ll settle for seeing the serpentis system. there are secrets I haven’t found yet

[wispy skiff]

Is grav jumping in universe supposed to take time? Or is it always instant? Cause if it is, there really isn't a reason people would need to sleep on their ships.

[safe kite]

Instant. Costs fuel.

The game doesnt really show any downtime between jumps, or using conventional engines to travel in-system, both of which may require a lot more time than is represented in the cutscenes.

When you plot a jump, it shows you how many individual jumps will happen, and for gameplay reasons, just zips you to the destination, but in-lore, each of those has to happen independently.

[high copper]

you only grav jump between systems, and from what it seems like it's almost immediate

when going from planet to planet it seems like auto pilot is enabled so it would take sometime to get to get to another planet

[safe kite]

Yep. If using conventional drives in system, even with very fast speeds, you are looking at hours/days of travel.

[high copper]

that then also brings the question of even if they do add manual planet to planet travel there isn't a super cruise or something, so unless they make it there always was a way or new tech or some kind of time dilation where inside the ship it's normal but outside time is being skipped so it doens't take so long

could just be daggerfal where if you choose to manually travel, gonna take you some time

[safe kite]

What we do know is that you can find logs on derelicts that are timestamped for journeys that would be instant in gameplay. Jumping from one system to another took ~a week in one case, iirc (the buggy autopilot derelict), which even if the jump itself is instant, would account for any in-system travel that needed to happen

[wispy skiff]

I mean i would find that fun sometimes. Especially if they add an option to actually use helium 3 as a resource.

Having to find a space gas station or make an outpost to harvest helium-3 would be a must.

[safe kite]

That's 80% of the reason I am not a fan of free flight in-system. It would be inconsistent with the game's lore. There is conventional drives and grav drives. Grav drives produce artifical gravity, which means ships can acclerate to absurd speeds, but it is still no Supercruise.

[safe kite]

I am absolutely looking forward to system jumping being iterated on and given the Survival treatment, adding fuel use.

[wispy skiff]

Cora was hinting at that it must be possible. Maybe she will invent it.

[maiden dew]

We know from in game lore, that it is possible to jump between planets in one system. First Grav jump was Luna to Jupiter. Everyone seems to get hung up on the animation sequence in game when logically, it would make no sense to use conventional drives to travel in system. It currently takes about 9 months to travel from Earth to Mars. It would take four monts to travel to Venus from Earth. Space is big, yo. Bigger than you can conceptualize. Even Earth to the Moon is 3 days.

Spaceships have beds for the same reason semi trucks have bunks, it is cheaper to sleep in your vehicle than renting a room at a motel. Plus many spaceships are used like RV's. And we do see some ships that do not have beds.

[peak halo]

Like, a pirate ship, Or a patrol ship, something where you're expecting to be in the black for a while (even a couple days), you would want the bed for a decent sleep.

If you look at the TV show 'The Expanse' conventional engines can take days to get between stations, and they don't have FTL capabilities. The main story of season one takes place over about 7 weeks. The vast majority is off screen travel time. And most of that travel is between stations in the asteroid belt. (Though, I'm not sure about the location of Tycho station, but I'm pretty sure it's either in, or near the asteroid belt.)

In the case of a pirate ship, you are probably gonna be lying in wait along trade routes, waiting for slow, juicy cargo haulers.

In the case of patrols, you would most certainly be spending a significant amount of time in-system, scanning, and patrolling trade routes (looking for the aforementioned pirates)

[silk lotus]

and that's not considering when the ship lands somewhere. Even with buildable habs that can be built beds on the ship can still prove handy.

[peak halo]

And from what we have seen, most space stations don't have a place for you to sleep on-station, so a bed on your ship is good

[silk lotus]

now I wanna know if the people who work in the staryards commute through orbit on the daily.

[fleet cove]

I always wonder, if they ever implemented fuel, how much would 1 unit helium 3 would add to your ship fuel I mean, basic extractors only work at like 1 unit/minute

so a 50 fuel tank would take 50 minutes that'd make the games fuel grind make starbound frackin universes grind look tame

since especially I mean starborn guardian holds up to 1,500 fuel

for a staggering 25 hours for a single helium 3 extractor to fuel your ship

[peak halo]

That's why you build multiple

[fleet cove]

even building 5 extractors at one base you'd still have only 5 per minute cutting that 25 hours down to 5 hours refueling

I mean your looking at turning the game practically into factorio

[safe kite]

It is absolutely possible to use Grav Drive in system, in lore. It is not required to do so, nor does the game represent this. In fact, it doesn't even allow you to. In-system travel is modeled to be conventional drives and a matter of hours between planets, which is consistent with most of the game's writing.

You can test this yourself. It isn't just the animation, that shows you slowboating from one spot to another:

Method A: Take a delivery mission with a timer. Note the time remaining. Travel to another planet in the system. Check the time remaining again. In the test case I used, it went from 2 days 10 hours, to 2 days 3 hours.

Method B: Note the location of a POI on another planet in system, in relation to the sunset line. Travel to that planet. Note the new location of the POI.

Method C: The game allows you to explicitly grav drive away from combat. You cannot use an in-system destination.

You are correct that space is very big, and interplanetary journeys currently take months. We also don't have artifical gravity, shields, and evidently fuel-free engines. Given all 3, and that it only takes hours to get from one destination to another, we can surmise that the ships in the Settled Systems, using conventional drives only, can accelerate to extremely high speeds, and slowboating around in system is the norm.

[daring lake]

This has already been tested some time ago. And regardless of how the game represents stuff,
travel via grav drive is the only answer. And yes, this means that Bethesda could have done a
better job in this respect. For myself, I'm happy to accept it the way it is.

[safe kite]

Would love to be pointed to how this was tested, then. 😄

[daring lake]

Seriously? This topic keeps cropping up every couple of months.
And the conclusion is always the same 🙂
So you may be able to search for other posts on this topic.

[safe kite]

Then people are drawing the wrong conclusions. 😄

"The game's cinematics, mechanics, and writing are wrong, because space is big" isn't convincing, at all.

"It's been tested" is also not convincing, seeing as I just tested it and found the opposite.

Unless a dev confirmed that it's all grav drives months ago. shrug

[daring lake]

Found the opposite of what? All you find is that the game does not
advance the clock in some situations, yet it does in others.
That is where the game could have been done better.
Do the Groundpounder missions without using grav drive for in-system
travel and it would take years to do in "game-time" Go figure.

[safe kite]

It would take several days to do in game, by how in-system travel is modeled.

How are you getting "years"?

[daring lake]

sigh

[maiden dew]

Laws of Physics still apply unless using Grav Drives or Starborn powers in game. In the Sol system, it takes days to get from Earth to Luna. That time could be cut down, but not by a huge amount. Humans can only stand so much acceleration.

https://joshworth.com/jpw/a-tediously-accurate-map-of-the-solar-system/ to give an idea of the true vastness space. The in game maps of star systems are not to scale.

[safe kite]

Grav Drives provide artificial gravity. Outside forces on the ships are moot, when everything inside it is anchored at 1g.

The next hurdle would be micrometeorite impacts and other physical hazards, which would be exponentially more dangerous the faster you go. This is nullified by shields.

The next hurdle would be fuel and weight. Acceleration of earth-launched probes is limited by how much fuel they carry with them, and how heavy they are. Delta-v. This is nullified by ships in the Settled Systems only needing to carry fuel for the grav drive, and conventional engines not seeming to burn any. Is there an explanation for this? Havent found one except for quotes that the grav drive is switching to local after jumps by barrett, which implies that the Grav Drive macguffin also feeds the engines somehow.

Even today's probes could cut travel times drastically if they had access to unlimited fuel. There is nothing in space preventing an increase in speed, only the need to flip around and decelerate in equal measure.

And yes. Space is big.

[maiden dew]

The engines emit flames. The most logical deduction is that the engines are some sort of nuclear rocket. So the drives will still "burn" fuel even if it is nuclear fusion.

[safe kite]

That's making an assertion with no evidence.

Nuclear rockets are also extremely slow and wouldn't provide the acceleration required.

Edit: I should say "Modern". You could be right, but if it isn't written in the game, it is not really relevant. It could be any type of engine.

[maiden dew]

Nuclear rockets are faster and provide more thrust than chemical rockets. Outside of space wizardry, it is the only answer. Explains flames from the rockets.

[safe kite]

Point remains: If it is fuelled by the ship's reactor, that negates the need for fuel access being a factor in delta v

[daring lake]

So .... I mentioned Groundpounder because part of that mission requires the player
to travel several thousand light seconds. This would need the ship to travel faster
than light in order to complete in a time frame of "in-game days" Our ships are
only capable of moving across such distances in the given time frame via use of the grav drive.

Likewise with "Failure to Communicate" ... 🙂

[safe kite]

Light second is how far light travels in one second. Hence the name. "Several thousands" of them are just that.

Let's say it's 5,000 light seconds. That's 83.33 light minutes. You don't need to go anywhere near light speed to travel that distance in 'days'. If you were going faster than light speed, it would be under 83.33 minutes 🙂

[daring lake]

Erm ... that's not quite correct

[maiden dew]

Fuel is still needed for a nuclear rocket. More delta V, more thrust, more fuel. Only the Grav drive negates the laws of physics. And if you're using a Grav drive, why travel slowly?

[safe kite]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Light-second

[daring lake]

I'm very aware. But first you need to achieve max velocity and then you need to
slow down so that you don't overshoot your destination. The time it takes to
escape the gravity well at the departure point is a major factor. As is the time
needed to achieve max velocity.

[safe kite]

Very correct. 🙂

So we know that we can discount human body limitations, due to artificial gravity. We don't have to care about hitting anything, due to shields. We don't need to worry about fuel, because reactors/grav drives, etc. We all agree space is big and at our current technology level, interplanetary travel takes months. We also agree that Starfield is a sci fi game that has fairly common sci fi tropes attached in terms of space travel, letting us bypass current limitations in spaceflight and approach relativistic speeds

At that point we are just bartering over maximum reasonable thrust. As noted, we need to accelerate, achieve a cruising speed, and then turn around and slow down again. We don't need to get anywhere near light speed to travel the distances showcased in Starfield, ex:

Altair I -> Altair IV is 8926.1 ls. Travel time in game is ~12 hours and change. We'll round up to 13.

8926.1 ls = 2,676,044,780 km

To travel that distance in 13 hours, not factoring in orbital mechanics, or accel/decel, you would need to be going a constant:

2,676,044,780 km / 13 hr = 205,849,598.5 km/hr = 57,180,444 meters/second or roughly 19% of the speed of light.

We can do math to find out exactly how much thrust a ship of a certain mass would need to achieve this, but I doubt the game takes any of that into account.

What we know from the game's mechanics, cinematics, writing, and established lore is that:
1, Conventional space flight is alive and well.
2, Provided fuel, grav drives allow the instantaneous transit to systems within a given range.
3, Jumping in-system via grav drive is possible, and was used in early tests of the technology.
4, Grav Drives affect other ship systems, including providing artifical gravity

How farfetched achieving the needed acceleration for the transit times in the game is kinda moot. Sci fi has never been limited by current technology.

In no way does any of that mean grav drive jumping is the only method of travel.

[uncut pumice]

One of the weirdest preconceived notions I had when playing Starfield for the first time was hearing the name "Londinion" was weirdly a rainy coastal port city, something near the ocean with landing pads out in the water. I have no clue why that was what came to my mind but I'm disappointed it wasn't like that

[peak halo]

Honestly, same

[uncut pumice]

Ong? Also we share the Technonica server too! (that game is so cool ngl)

[peak halo]

Heck yeah.
DM me

[uncut pumice]

I just found a plothole!

(its minor but it is a plothole none the less)

In the port for Londinion there is a crashed Stroud-Eklund ship, Londinion was abandoned before Stroud-Eklund was formed-- Back when it was Eklund's Shipbuilders

[desert zinc]

Doesn't mean someone wanted to go to Londinion after it was abandoned and locked down. Must have gone horribly wrong

[uncut pumice]

It was literally one of the bombed ships

And you just said "Locked down", that ship would not be able to get into the city

[desert zinc]

Then it must have been ahead of it's time

[uncut pumice]

Yeah, years before the company was even founded lmao

[desert zinc]

Not in one piece

[uncut pumice]

So you're telling me a stroud-eklund ship just somehow miraculously crashed into the space port?

Man don't make excuses for mistakes in map building

[desert zinc]

Stranger things have happened

[uncut pumice]

Yeah, like forgetting the lore when you place items into the world

They made the same mistake in Fallout 4's Vault 95

[desert zinc]

They placed a Stroud-Eklund ship in there? 🤣

[uncut pumice]

They placed Jet in a sealed area of the vault

And mentioned it in a pre-war terminal, which doesn't make sense as Jet wasn't created until the mid 2200s

They are simple plotholes made when individuals don't fully pay attention to their actions in the moments. That's all it is.

[daring lake]

Continuity errors happen in lots of stuff. Not really plotholes are they?
I'll look out for the ship next time I'm there though.

[uncut pumice]

A plothole in world building is pretty much the same as a continuity error, the phrase just wasn't popping up in my head

[daring lake]

So, for me at least, the plot is the story. If someone in a film
that is set in WW2 is wearing Nike trainers, that's not a plothole 😄

[desert zinc]

that's a job for the cutter

[uncut pumice]

Again that's my bad, "continuity error" simply wasn't popping into my head

But even so it is a continuity error

[faint cave]

I like to imagine the five-six notes of Starfield's main theme actually plays whenever we use the grav drive

[solemn bough]

Alright so this past weekend I did Andreja's companion quest again. As I understand it Andreja made friends with the accused when she was working as a smuggler. Tomisar, her handler, didn't like this so he sicced some zealots on her smuggler friends to remind Andreja of her duty to House Va'ruun and her people. I think his thought process was that she was drifting away from the path that the Great Serpent set her on and was betraying her people by making friends with the accused. What is your perspective on this quest?

[silk lotus]

More or less the same. Tomisar was likely worried that Andreja may betray the Va'ruun in the future if she continued building ties among the accursed, therefore he tried to split the group so Andreja would only have ties and loyalties to the Va'ruun people.

[maiden dew]

I think Tomisar also had a creepy crush on Andreja. He seemed awfully possessive.

[solemn bough]

I don't think so. He seems like a master manipulator to me. Quite a deadly skill.

[rigid kiln]

It's stated that tomisar send the zealots bc the smuggler group knew to much of the workings of house va'ruun, thus being a threat

[solemn bough]

How could they possibly find stuff out about House Va'ruun if not from Andreja?

[rigid kiln]

Bc they worked for house va'ruun as smugglers

[solemn bough]

So they worked for them but they themselves aren't House Va'ruun right?

[rigid kiln]

Nope

[solemn bough]

So they knew too much AND Tomisar didn't want Andreja to spill the beans on anything?

[rigid kiln]

You were working with House Va’ruun. Why would they want to kill you? -player

Because we were a loose end! We knew things, locations, names… They never trusted us. We were just a mess that needed cleaning up - Jaeda

[solemn bough]

Mmm now the picture is painted

So you could say Tomisar was right to do what he did, yes? (Coming from a pro House Va'ruun perspective)

[rigid kiln]

Ofc he was

[maiden dew]

Even when I choose to have Andreja spare Tomisar, I go back and kill him myself.

[silk lotus]

so if I choose certain dialogue options after new game plus, do I lock myself out of constellation members personal quest? I took the 2nd dialogue option for basically keeping my distance.

[daring lake]

Tomisar is/was a two faced manipulator imo. That's just my take on him though.
Has anyone recorded/transcribed the dialogue from the Zealot Captain btw?
I'm sure that he has more to add to Tomisar's story.

[daring lake]

Not al all. Take one of them with you and they are still available for that stuff

[solemn bough]

You're definitely right on the manipulator part. He's doing it to protect House Va'ruun and he doesn't care who gets in the way.

[daring lake]

I get that. But he's not smart. A smart guy would have hired Ecliptic.

[solemn bough]

House Va'ruun takes care of their own messes. Ecliptic isn't an option.

Because remember they're very secretive and thus are very selective with who they work with

As for Tomisar... He isn't the brightest using zealots as bounty hunters for his operations. I think that would even give the High Council some concern.

[uncut pumice]

Ik a lot of peopel like House Va'ruun, but man i do not feel bad killing em

[stark shuttle]

The only thing you lock out is romancing them.

[silk lotus]

I wasnt interested in doing that anyway.

[hushed rock]

dae not kill tomisar strictly because it would disrupt the status quo too much and inciting a war of VR vs constellation (and I guess by extension, UC navy) seemed extremely foolish? idk my decision wasn’t made because of andreja losing access to her hometown but more thinking about the universe at large. ignoring ng+/starborn existence

[faint cave]

Did Vasco get new dialogue after the update? I keep seeing new ones every time we land in New Atlantis or enter the Lodge.

[rigid kiln]

Yes I put the full quest dialogue on the wiki

https://starfieldwiki.net/wiki/Starfield:Divided_Loyalties

[daring lake]

Thanks Nieves 🙂

[rigid kiln]

Va'ruun Zealot Captain: I smile today in the knowledge that the Great Serpent has truly blessed my ship and my crew.
Why else would he have delivered unto me the dregs of our purge years ago, the offal that escaped our righteous justice.
Your pathetic ‘’High council’’ who betrayed the charge laid upon them by the Great Serpent, gave you over to us to atone for their own sins.
It always irked me that you escaped the fate you deserved. But now the Serpent sets my mind at ease.
And in his name, I will cleanse your filth from this universe.
Are you prepared to face judgment!?

[frosty forge]

Does anyone know In lore if the starborn can actually remove there "spacesuit" once they become starborn?
And underneath are they still human (if there where before)

[uncut pumice]

It's 100% just a spacesuit, Starborn are still humans but they are ascended to some extent. We see the true faces of the Hunter and Emissary

[frosty forge]

I wasnt sure since if I remembered correctly it seemed to me more like a projection on the visor, less of there face

[uncut pumice]

We also meet the Pilgrim

Which is where the Hunter turns to a life of Pilgrimage due to disillusionment with his original ruthless ideology only to find that there were no answers. So he just goes back to what he used to do-- Being Keeper Aquilus

[uncut pumice]

I hope that helps.

[frosty forge]

Ah thanks

[nocturne sluice]

except that myron, who claims to invent jet, is a known liar. and if jet is pre-war, it makes sense that maybe myron stumbled upon some jet and reverse engineered it. or as it happens in real world, two people can invent same things independently on each other. reinventing the wheel is a common practice.

[uncut pumice]

They literally omitted it from 76 because it wasn't pre-war

And it was introduced in Fallout 2 as a new drug

[nocturne sluice]

they omitted it from 76 because it won't work in multiplayer

[uncut pumice]

Jet literally could have been an AP booster

[nocturne sluice]

that is a good idea

but it would still change the lore in terms of changing the established effect of jet

[uncut pumice]

That's why I don't by the "I won't work in multiplayer" as the reason, jet was an AP booster in 2, 3 and new vegas lol

So it doesn't "change the established effect", if anything Fallout 4 is the outlier

The thing is that the concept of jet that was pre-war isn't the same as post-war jet. Huffing feces to get high is not a new concept weirdly. But to be labled as jet and made from mutated cow crap? Post-war

It's refered to as Jenkem.

(The funny part? It's pretty much a hoax)

[nocturne sluice]

i don't think f4 is an outlier, i think each sequels adds more to the lore, as the game mechanics expands with new features

combat since 1 to 3 was not real time

at least not vats in 3

[uncut pumice]

I'm meaning in the literal sense of mechanics. You're talking about "changing the established effect" for 76 and then defending that exact action for what happened in Fallout 4

[nocturne sluice]

vats in 4 was just slowed down real time combat

[uncut pumice]

Again that's really not my point

[nocturne sluice]

expanding on jet to have time slowing ability for the player builds on that mechanic

[uncut pumice]

Again you're missing the point

[nocturne sluice]

i'm probably not missing the point, i just think we misunderstand each other's perspective 🙂

[uncut pumice]

76 is fundamentally different from 4, it's vats act differently. Real time VATS works well with an increased AP pool while paused time VATS worked better with a gain in AP. Fallout 4 essentially makes Jet into VATS light.

[nocturne sluice]

yes, it does. the issue i see here, is that players experienced in fo4 would assume that jet would work the same in 76

which might pose an issue for them, as it can't work the same

[uncut pumice]

By that SAME logic, players who played Fallout 3 would assume Jet would work the same in 4

[nocturne sluice]

i guess we can agree on that

[uncut pumice]

I assumed jet was an AP booster the first time I played 4, just like it was in 3

[nocturne sluice]

it seems like the same logic, but the game mechanics evolved a bit in 4

[uncut pumice]

Correct, and then evolved again in 76. so keeping it mechanically the same doesn't matter

[nocturne sluice]

i assumed that too, finding out that jet in 4 slows time was a huge surprise, in the good sense

i took it as an upgrade

or improvement

[uncut pumice]

Jet 100% could have had a different function in 76 if they wanted to pull the whole "It was definitely Pre-War" and simply reworked it. JUST as they reworked it in 4

[nocturne sluice]

yet 76 with its multiplayer can't have that

[uncut pumice]

Correct, but again. It could have 100% still been in the game

Simply with an altered function, as we know for a fact things have changed before

[nocturne sluice]

agree, it could have been in 76

[uncut pumice]

I think it not being in 76 is a reflection of it not being a Pre-War drug

[nocturne sluice]

i had a long discussion about this

lack of evidence is not evidence of lack 🙂

i bet there were many heated talks about jet in 76 dev team

and they decided to drop it from the game and i don't blame them

[uncut pumice]

Tbh idk why we can't have it be post-war and have a pre-war drug similar to it

Like bethesda has literally in the past chalked things up to bad writing lmao

[nocturne sluice]

there are many other discrepancies like bos in the east, ghouls needing to eat, fev and radiation exposure

[uncut pumice]

Remember when pip-boys were supposed to be biometrically sealed?

[uncut pumice]

Exactly, personally I think ghouls probably do need to eat or drink. They are still living being and stuff lmao--

[nocturne sluice]

it is possible, they made a mistake, a wrong decision during f4 development to make jet work the way it works

[uncut pumice]

Truth is, that terminal in Vault 95 could easily be a fluke that just didn't get QC'd

[nocturne sluice]

had they introduced a new drug with the same effects and keeping jet just an ap booster, everyone would be happy

and there would be no need to retcon it in the game

[uncut pumice]

Hell they could have easily done that too! Look at new vegas

They created tons of new chems, all of which were clearly post war

Like Steady, Hydra and Turbo-- Oh and then also introduced the pre-war chem Cateye!

[nocturne sluice]

i agree

[uncut pumice]

I think this boils down to a simple fumble in game design tbh

[nocturne sluice]

i call it a decision

[uncut pumice]

Which happens, we can't always be winners with the choices made

[nocturne sluice]

the devs made a decision and we don't have enough information why they decided that way

blaming it on bad writing is a bit dishonest

[uncut pumice]

OH I do actually have one fun bit of fallout lore that is explained tho

(of why it has contention) #fallout-lore

[nocturne sluice]

we don't know how much of content was cut from the game, even from design, so we just don't know

cool, let me hear it

[solemn bough]

And here I was thinking this was the starfield lore channel.

[safe kite]

How do Chunks drinks work? Is it a jello consistency?

[solemn bough]

"it just works". Obviously

[safe kite]

https://tenor.com/view/no-i-will-not-accept-that-dan-levy-david-david-rose-schitts-creek-gif-20775571

[solemn bough]

Godd Howard has spoken, and so shall it be.

[sand spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/todd-howard-bethesda-elder-scrolls-oblivion-laughing-gif-27490544

[peak halo]

You know those edible water tide pod things? It's like that, but by Chunks

[safe kite]

I actually dont but that sounds wild

[scenic loom]

Chunks expansion wen???

[peak halo]

Google 'Ooho'

[grave ferry]

It is, Emil Pagliarulo said so on Twitter. “Jet was absolutely pre-war. That old lore stands. Now, did reference to Jet show up in a pre-war terminal at some point? It did. Honest reason - the designer forgot. Simple human error, and it got missed. An unfortunate reality is that sometimes mistakes happen.”

[silk lotus]

Anything becomes a drink if you suck hard enough.

[uncut pumice]

Did you mean post-war? and if that's the case too, good on Emil for admitting the mistake. Sometimes just coming out and going "That wasn't meant to happen" instead of doubling down is weirdly the road less traveled

[safe kite]

#fallout-lore

[uncut pumice]

this wasn't a discussion of fallout lore, it was a clarification. You guys are so quick to drop a channel link so confidently despite a conversation essentially being over

[grave ferry]

He did, yeah.

[peak halo]

I mean... It WAS a fallout lore discussion... Like, three days ago, lol

[scenic loom]

[rigid kiln]

So... Who do we think the women on the Viper's nest poster is?

[safe kite]

I actually dug into the game files. It's ||Nieves Wolters||

[daring lake]

Top Gravid maybe?

Besides it being a poster of a fictional romanticised film ...

[rigid kiln]

ìt uses archival footage, and the version in the embassadors quarters has a crown on her head drawn so she must be a real person

[daring lake]

Unless Balmor thinks of all Gravids as being haughty ...

[rigid kiln]

I just hope Emil will further respond to the question, however it took him 3 months to respond to the original one so 💀
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/745747764981268503/1244062234754420746/image.png?ex=6653bebe&is=66526d3e&hm=dde9d4f1106b90ec0cbdfb820225d01fd1964a026c16abe0b31d05ab46b331d1&

[daring lake]

Lots of WW2 films also use archive footage btw. Not unusual in film making

[high copper]

I wouldn't be surprised if Nieves eventually gets to work a bit with bethesda on Va'ruun stuff in the future

[rigid kiln]

I would love to create a book series similar to the High Republic, set during the Serpent's Crusade, featuring three characters in the 3 factions whose stories intertwine from their unique points of view

I know all the lore due to me writing all the lore pages for the wiki so 😭

[remote hill]

Sucked too hard, now Crimson Fleet's Naeva is stuck down my throat.

[spiral stirrup]

1800hrs is impressive

[rigid kiln]

1838h now

[spiral stirrup]

Game has been out for 275ish days, so you average like 3.6 hours per day, every day since launch

[rigid kiln]

sounds about right

[spiral stirrup]

I'm at 500hrs myself

[rigid kiln]

I think I only sleeped 13h in the early acces 💀

[spiral stirrup]

What's your favorite location or mission to redo?

[rigid kiln]

idk still need to do some missions

[spiral stirrup]

For me it's the amalghest. There aren't too many great zero-g missions

[peak halo]

Have you cleared Olympia station?

Do stations have grav-druves that are just tubes for AG?

[fallen kiln]

Anti gravity seems to be cell-wide. You can see it in Earthbound. Enter the zero-gravity area and stuff starts floating behind you too..

Pity really, I really fancied setting up some zero-g vertical crosswalks for the ship builder, but it's looking like that won't work.

[safe kite]

It's implied that gravity can be turned off in specific sections (namely the trade authority starstation that had an infernal airlock with toggled gravity) but mechanically I think you are correct.

[peak halo]

?

[fallen kiln]

What I'd like to make is something like the transparent crosswalks from DerreTech, only vertical rather than horizontal. And instead of a ladder, have a zero gee field so you can "swim" up and down between levels on the ship. But I think that if I turn off grav for the crosswalk, it'll turn off for the rest of the ship as well

That said, the Anti Gravity Field power seems to localize the effect, so maybe it can work

[jaunty ginkgo]

What would happen if the Adoring Fan is separated without his Hero after taking the Giant Leap with them?

[static sky]

He’ll find a variant to adore