starfield-lore

[daring lake]

Does that matter?

[peak halo]

What stuff got transported from akila to Deimos shipyards within minutes of getting loaded on the ship? What is the context?

[daring lake]

You probably need to read up there a bit ^ where someone mentioned that there
is "no faster than light" travel in this game. Would you feel better if I had used the
word cargo instead of "stuff"?

[peak halo]

What cargo?

[broken flower]

cargo mission cargo

[peak halo]

If you are talking about the cargo links, how can you be sure? You have to travel to the other place to see it. If it's the delivery missions, you have to take them personally

[maiden dew]

There is the ship encounter where you deliver a package to the ship technician.

So sort of already in the game

[digital raptor]

Exactly this. That's why you have people transporting stuff physically.

[bronze shoal]

Disconnected Ship Habs?
If I build a ship where a few non-important habs are disconnected from the 'functional' parts (cockpit to docker to bay requirement)

do companions sometimes spawn in those inaccessible sections?

[slate valley]

No idea. I have 2 such disconnected 1x1 habs (computer and engineering - mod on nexus called Habz) and while not traveling with companions, I do have 2 hired crew on board. They have always been in the accessible habs (so far).

[round charm]

Best communication we have atm is peer to peer connections🤣

[rigid kiln]

Do we have any hints at anasko va'ruun's gender?

[rigid canyon]

https://tenor.com/view/no-let-me-think-nope-no-way-hmm-no-gif-22904160

[molten sequoia]

The gender is yes

[rigid kiln]

I mean anasko is a female name so 🤔

I think bfufidjdjs

[molten sequoia]

I think they're a girl but idk

[rigid kiln]

No nevermind we do know

"His"

Fixed the wiki thanks djdhdjjdjd

[molten sequoia]

Lol jughlihhyuj

[buoyant hearth]

Reminds me of the random encounters where you can find a black box style slate to give to a ship technician so they know about systems failures that occur

[rigid canyon]

How?

[rigid kiln]

'It is his sincere hope -'

[rigid canyon]

Sauce?

[rigid kiln]

check dm

I'm heartbroken I wanted to follow a cutie into war

[exotic nacelle]

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[bronze steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/owl-story-jojokids-owl-notebook-gif-15560378

[high copper]

https://tenor.com/view/what-the-heck-surprised-what-is-that-damn-the-rock-gif-17855115

[wintry scarab]

I want to be part of the house varuun

[clever adder]

Hmm no beta testing announced interesting....

[high copper]

would it be this week?

[clever adder]

Typically today or yesterday.

[high copper]

well I'm still confident it for next week with the amount of interesting depots added and changed, they are cooking somethin

[clever adder]

Probably 2 things been teasing.

And didn't want to be flooded with the negatives how long took

[round charm]

well CK is cooking in QA stage, we have a video branch coming up, and verified creator got another kick with CK

[shrewd jay]

https://tenor.com/view/mc-jugger-nuggets-gif-19032506

[unique urchin]

me modding in a Terrormorph wave survival minigame and enjoying countless waves of more and more difficult waves while listening to Hold The Line by Toto

also me wishing i could convince my Autistic brain to ignore my ADHD telling me to go enjoy youtube, catch up on twitch AND grind on destiny 2 all at once instead of learning to code so that i can make mods

[main flame]

hodor

[faint cave]

Was the Earth left behind as a sort of monument when its magnetosphere was completely gone? I imagine there must be some people who would attempt to make outposts on it, when habitation technology has improved to the point that they can make outposts on freaking Venus.

Oh wait, space tourism. Never mind.

[maiden dew]

There is that Earth Preservation Society.

[rigid kiln]

I can't imagine anyone would want to be on this stupid rock

[novel sparrow]

It’s like living on top of a graveyard

[maiden dew]

Which is the reality of a lot of charities. Just an excuse for rich folks to have a party and flaunt their wealth.

[fickle charm]

alright back on topic

[high copper]

Are you going to help donate to the Earth Preservation Society?

[fickle charm]

https://tenor.com/view/tumtum-mikvr-froge-stick-beating-gif-18299903

[clever adder]

Nope

They too stuck up to clean up the dust bowl.

[jaunty ginkgo]

Let us read Misaki Qureshi's "Chronicles of the Mech Riders"
Let us see Alyssa's concert

[faint cave]

I don't know why, but I keep associating New Atlantis with London, or at least a European city during the Age of Discovery (~15th to 17th century).

[rigid kiln]

do we think that the Rite of Kre'jar is the groat slaughter thingy? since they both happen when a member of House Va'ruun comes of age

[boreal trout]

It must be Sarah’s accent

[vast basalt]

I blame Star Trek reboot movies

[spiral stirrup]

Why does Paxton Hull follow the no mech rules by the UC? He's in a mech factory with mech mechanics and pilots, rebeling against the UC. Why still follow the law?

[high copper]

cause they haven't been really implemented

[spiral stirrup]

It just undermines the whole character for me lol could at least had a static almost finished mech that we intrupt or something and break all the others

[quick tundra]

yeah I have a theory that the reason mechs are "forbidden" was because they were cut in development

because I agree, in-universe it makes no sense that the First would not be using them, being that they're war criminals headquartered in a mech factory who would have no respect for the armistice

[high copper]

I'm if or when they do start adding them, you'll start seeing them in some quests and maybe pois that house mechs

(better would be if they did choose to rework of the quest like with the first to have them use the mechs)

[spiral stirrup]

Also, Sébastien banks going to have founded house varuun, that's my guess lol

[regal crane]

I think if any group started using banned tech (First with mechs for example), would immediately paint a giant target on them and bring down both UC and FC militaries like a hammer.

[quick tundra]

The Crimson Fleet are even more openly antagonistic to both governments and they operate practically in the open. The First keeping mechs that they only activate defensively (say, when you're taking them down) wouldn't attract nearly as much attention

[high copper]

I guess if Sysdef got evidence of CF using mechs then he'd get immediate support

[quick tundra]

honestly me mentioning CF may be tugging at a thread that the lore can't sustain anyway; I've actually never been fully satisfied with the fleet's threat model there

like I don't think the game's own script can make up their mind how secretive the CF is supposed to be

[high copper]

make enough noise that makes them remembered and a threat to the average person but not enough that it reaches any higher ups

[maiden dew]

You can use Crimson Fleet as a threat in multiple missions during your infiltration. It works on pretty much everyone but Bayu.

[clever adder]

Did so with Mrs whitmore

Bayu has massive ego

[daring lake]

Bayu has his Seokguh Syndicate.

[faint cave]

What are the odds that Enhance! offers animal ears as an option in-universe?

[solemn bough]

i wish you could find pirates hanging out in neon at least. delgado has a line that implies pirates like to go there

[spiral stirrup]

Very little since most of the animals are extinct

[faint cave]

Terrormorph, Ashta, Red Mile Mauler, and Aceles ears, then.

[spiral stirrup]

Sounds like a medical eth8cal nightmare

[daring lake]

Foxbat ears 😄

[faint cave]

Wait, there is that Alien DNA trait. It might not be ears, but they are inserting alien parts into people.

[spiral stirrup]

Yea, that's a weird one but I think it does say it's controversial

Also they are advanced enough they can remove that dna for only 10,000 credits

Almost any doctor has the skills too lol

Why doesn't Grav drive use destroy jemisons atmosphere?

[silent plank]

Because they fixed it. Listen to the NASA logs again

[spiral stirrup]

Just seems odd they got the tech from a future starborn, and the starborn gave them the beta version I stead of the final release

[silent plank]

To force them into space

Was probably given a vision of what was to happen if we didn't leave the earth and used this to cause the exodus

[daring lake]

A Starborn may not have been involved though

[solemn bough]

they didn't, they got it from the unity

there is no victor aiza starborn

[spiral stirrup]

He used parallel self and talked to a starborn version of himself, the Unity isn't a conscious entity that we know of. The you at the end even mentions Creators that you might eventually get to meet. But they aren't the unity

[solemn bough]

so he not only obtained parallel self without going to a temple, he also used it unknowingly? and no one else on his team saw the starborn?

[spiral stirrup]

Yes, it says in the wiki he met himself from another universe after touching the artifact

It's Canon he got the tech from another version of himself

[solemn bough]

the wiki is written by fans, the info you find on there isn't necessarily canon unless backed up by other sources

but yes, aiza says he met himself. you know who else meets themselves? the player, at the end of the game. but that isn't really you, is it?

[rigid kiln]

wait why can't it be a starborn version of himself?

[spiral stirrup]

I think it is, Clarence thinks it the Unity acting with its own agency

He talked to a starborn version of hi self woth parraell self, maybe even the starborn version was the one using the power

[daring lake]

There is no reason to assume it was a Starborn version of himself.
That would create an issue regarding a causal loop. Plus, you don't
have to be Starborn to have a Temple Power.

[rigid kiln]

How would it create a loop?

[daring lake]

The causal loop is already in place. Its one of the themes of the story.
The issue would be about how it got started. A 3rd party, such as the
"Creators" would fit right in to that. Whereas Victor would not.

[spiral stirrup]

He says in the notes he talks to himself who tells of all different versions and outcomes for universes

Definitely starborn

We are in a unity loop anyway

[daring lake]

Really? Where do I find the bit about "all different versions and outcomes"?

... also .... The Unity could do exactly that

[spiral stirrup]

September 8, 2160 log, "But he also told me about a city, thriving on a planet orbiting a distant star. Human culture, art, music, lifestyles evolving and shining brightly across all of space."

[daring lake]

Yes. But thats not the same as "all different versions and outcomes"

.... just one version and outcome

[solemn bough]

reading comprehension is important

[spiral stirrup]

Technically two, if he used the tech and not

And finding out about the future from himself and things coming true

Two different versions and outcomes.

[solemn bough]

nope he was literally just shown the future of his own universe if he followed through on the grav drive stuff

[daring lake]

I'm genuinely trying to follow your thinking, but I'm still
stuck with one version

[spiral stirrup]

So you think the Unity goes out and talks to people?

[daring lake]

It appears that it does, yes

[solemn bough]

i mean yeah. it talks to you twice during the game. and then there's jinan va'ruun's vision of the great serpent which was probably something similar

[rigid kiln]

for me it makes more sense that it is a starborn version that would be easier but valid I guss

[solemn bough]

it can't be a starborn anyway because of the causal loop that would create, as vimes said earlier

[spiral stirrup]

One version where he build the Grav drive, another version where he doesn't. Two different outcomes

[solemn bough]

if aiza only becomes starborn by way of help from his starborn self, how did he ever become a starborn to begin with?

[spiral stirrup]

He didn't in the universes we visit him

[solemn bough]

but how DID he in the ones where he did?

[spiral stirrup]

He's frozen dead

[solemn bough]

you gotta think it all the way through gandalf

[spiral stirrup]

The hunter becomes starborn before Grav drives were invented. It's possible

He mentioned he lived on old earth

[daring lake]

He's not told anything about the outcome of not doing it.
At least I've not found any record of that so far.

[solemn bough]

that doesn't mean he became starborn before the drives were invented? you're just making stuff up

[rigid kiln]

Bestie idfk it's a multiverse, maybe hes from a timeline where the US didn't fund war but gave all their money to NASA thus them having better tech and whatever idfk everything is possible in a multiverse

[spiral stirrup]

He says he's told about the atmosphere being destroyed

[solemn bough]

that's if he DOES do it

[spiral stirrup]

How else would he go get artifacts if he can't travel in space?

Or he was alive r8ght when earth is destroyed I guess

[solemn bough]

he can't? what are you talking about? he could have just been a child when earth was evacuated

[daring lake]

Yes. And he's told about the grav drives causing that.
Still only one version.

[spiral stirrup]

Yea I guess he could've been a kid

[spiral stirrup]

The other version is where he chooses not to create the Grav drive, humanity doesn't expand, and earth isn't destroyed

He's given two doors, two versions, and picks make the Grav drives

[solemn bough]

he isn't physically shown this though

[spiral stirrup]

Yea, his weird 12 day out of body experience lol

[rain geyser]

Reading this is funny because I hear Nieves getting angry and annoyed in call. 😅

[solemn bough]

that's even more evidence that it was a vision and not a physical experience i think. the player loses some time too whenever they touch an artifact, just not as much

[daring lake]

Make the Grav Drives or Don't make the Grav Drives?
That is a long way away from "All possible versions" etc ... 🙂

[spiral stirrup]

It's a pretty pivotal decision that leads to lots of different outcomes, but yes you're right, they didn't spend eternity going over every possible change lol

[daring lake]

Right now I'm in a universe where I go get some more coffee ☕
... or am I? 😉

[rigid kiln]

couldn't be me, big yikes

[maiden dew]

It is at least implied that the fault in the grave drives destroying Earth's Atmosphere was known and he had a fix. Leaving the fault in forced humanity to spread across the stars. Maybe the Starborn Aiza is from a timeline where they slowly developed the grav drives with trial and error, and Aiza finds a temple that kicks off the becoming Starborn. But Aiza wanted a shortcut. So he developed a plan where he gives his alternate self knowledge that speeds up Grav drive development. Following this logic, Aiza/Hunter is also Sebastian Banks, and starts Constellation to have a group to search for the artifacts and temples. By creating shortcuts, he ends up creating his own opposition.

[spiral stirrup]

I like it, except Sébastien banks looks nothing like aquilus or aiza. He could be working with them though

Maybe all together steering humanity. Always wondered why Aquilus bothered to found a religion lol when he already knows about the Unity and everything

[maiden dew]

There is in game lore that you can easily change your appearance.

[spiral stirrup]

Yea thats a good point

[solemn bough]

that would feel like such a cop-out though

[daring lake]

Nah. I mean, its good that you put such stuff forward, but that requires a level
of intent that Aiza would not be capable of imo.

[solemn bough]

This is a thing in many stories with time travel though.

Look at Harry Potter where they travel back in the third book. Harry was saved by himself from the future the very first go around too, before ever going back and saving himself.

[maiden dew]

But we see in game that our alternate selves can be really different. The priest and the Hunter are quite different. Just because our universe's Aiza doesn't have the drive, doesn't mean there is some version that does.

[daring lake]

Yes of course. Infinite universes can produce endless variants of a personality.
But I believe I have solid reasons for thinking the way I do about this.
I will explain myself more when these irl interruptions around me atm allow it. 🙂

[solemn bough]

i like to think the starfield writers would have thought a little bit more about it than jk rowling did

Right cuz that example is clearly the only instance and not a common thing.

so just because some movies/games involve time travel related plotholes, it should be ok for everyone?

some the majority.

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[solemn bough]

It's a common thing with time travel, once something exists it has always existed. The only story that even comes to mind that doesn't follow this off top of my head is avengers endgame time travel stuff. That they promptly retcon afterwards anyways

[round charm]

Heard they insulted back to the future 🤣

[boreal trout]

Interstellar is a good time travel story.

Watching it second time there is a ton of foreshadowing

• nasa punk

https://tenor.com/view/interstellar-cost-little-maneuver-51years-51-gif-24426899

[solemn bough]

avengers couldn't do it, so no one can

[solemn bough]

They broke their own time travel rules directly after stating them lol. State you can't change your past and it's essentially just a new universe, yet in same movie break that with Capt America going back to the past and showing up in same timeline as an old man now. Plus do the same thing in the miss marvel where Kamala goes back to save her own relative, when her relative was already saved in the past by future her.

[solemn bough]

Well when you build a time machine and let me know how such a thing would work in reality, let me know

Besides the fact that that's not at all what I said but that's another matter lol

[silk lotus]

So lore wise could the trade authority be making deals with the va'ruun people (not zealots). I know they rely in smugglers but I have a theory that any dangerous contraband acquired by the Trade Authority could be sent to the Va'ruun homeworld where they could be building mechs, and studying xenobiolgical weapons that were banned as per the armistice. We have no way of knowing if they honor the treatory or not since we cant see their home world, not to mention other factions being in the dark.

[solemn bough]

i understand that it's possible for bethesda to just have a big plothole like that and say "who cares" but im not gonna account for that when theorycrafting

It's not a plothole when there's no real comparison on how it would actually work and it's working traditionally as it usually does in such stories.

If time travel is actually ever invented and it works contrary to that, then it's a plot hole.

it's just about following logically, we don't need to know how the tech works

Logically that is exactly how it would work. If you went back and changed your past, then your past self had that encounter.

just don't do anything that would create a contradiction

[exotic nacelle]

Dont step on a butterfly

[solemn bough]

but that past encounter would change the trajectory of your past selfs future, so you might never wind up traveling back in time to begin with

Hence why time travel is a paradox

not if you go with the multiple branches thing

And why almost all stories are the "if it happened it always happened" cuz it's the only way it "works"

there's a cool movie called primer that deals with this sort of thing

[spiral stirrup]

Wouldn't be surprised if house varuun had agents working in the trade authority and other factions

[daring lake]

We don't actually time travel in this game. Sure, we return to the same point
where we first encounter an artifact. But its not the same universe.

[spiral stirrup]

They send Andreja after all to infiltrate constellation

Would assume they have been in the trade authority for awhile

[solemn bough]

The wait function time travels you to the future

[spiral stirrup]

Barrett's parallel self isn't time travel, but still crazy multiversal travel

Also Victor Aiza talks to himself in an alternate future

[daring lake]

Maybe he does and maybe he does not 😉

[silk lotus]

Do we actually know anything about when the trade authority came to be? For all we know their top leaders could be Va'ruun themselves. Also could there be great serphent worshippers who aren't truly va'ruun? The Va'ruun did come in peace and try to spread their message and faith before the serpents crusade. Imagine a following of uc or fc citizens who converted to their beliefs but didnt side with va'ruun durring the crusade?

[rigid kiln]

imagine not siding with va'ruun during the crusade

[boreal trout]

Trade authority is everywhere. It is infiltrated by UC agents for sure

I think varun is trading with Ryujin or Bayu.

[rigid kiln]

I'm sure that if lin and constellation know where house va'ruun is, that the TA also knowns where house va'ruun is

unlike the UC 😭

[boreal trout]

Would be funny if Varun is hidden in gas giants all over settled systems

[silk lotus]

I guess I mean I wonder if there are non ethnic va'ruun. People who follow their religion but arent from va'ruun'kai, possibly like the player character.

[rigid kiln]

I'm sure there are

don't think everyone would be from Dazra

[boreal trout]

Yeah. There are many stashes with varun propaganda flyers

[spiral stirrup]

Andreja telling me I didn't understand her customs even though I had the house varuun trait really made me mad at bgs attention to detail

[rigid kiln]

also what is your definition of ethnic va'ruun, born in va'ruun'kai? raised with the believe?

[rigid kiln]

it gets worse when you realize that constellation and lin know where House Va'ruun space is located but the UC doesn't

like I know why it is the way it is in the current game version but it bothers me so much

[round charm]

Crusade?

[rigid kiln]

yes the serpent's crusade

https://starfieldwiki.net/wiki/Lore:Serpent's_Crusade

[round charm]

God dam I hated that

[rigid kiln]

I pointed it out as an annoying during the feedback round here in the discord, I know a dev read it, now we just hope they do something with it

[bronze shoal]

and to a lesser extent
if I choose the Freestar Trait, Sarah will still trash talk the Freestar Collective right to my face; makes her seems like a jerk
you'd figure her character would have the sense to not do that....

[round charm]

Would categorize these as oversight

[bronze shoal]

no surprise there. there's a lot of 'oversights' in this game

[round charm]

Was going to say the same🤣

Man where's creation kit at when ya need it

[rigid kiln]

I can tolerate (barely) the va'ruun dialogue inconsitencies with the amount of va'ruun content yeeted out but proxima not being in the game is a crime

[round charm]

Proxima?

[rigid kiln]

yes

the closest star to us

[round charm]

Ah

[exotic nacelle]

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[solemn bough]

You know what the dude on Mars is surprisingly too Nice for a trade authority person

[silk lotus]

I guess ties to va'ruun'kai. Like could a free star settler who followed the great serphent but has no ties to the va'ruun government still be of the va'ruun? Probably not.

Is there a term for followers of the great serphent who arent associated with the homeworld or va'ruun military/government?

Or zealots.

[solemn bough]

the only distinction the game seems to make is between believers and non-believers

if we assume andreja's dialogue is an oversight

[rigid kiln]

it is

Mir'za calls you of the promised

[solemn bough]

they're all pretty nice aside from kolman lang

[daring lake]

Zoe? Nice?

[solemn bough]

i mean she kinda sucks but she's nice to you once she knows you're just a customer

[daring lake]

She's worse than Duncan imo. He's a stuffed shirt. At least Kolman behaves
like a human ... "Buzz off, I'm busy" 😄

[solemn bough]

fast hoang is the goat

the guy on the key is a little too mild-mannered

[daring lake]

I find Marcel to be a little creepy tbh. Fast is easy to deal with,
but Oktai + Saoirse show the TA's real colours imo

[solemn bough]

which is what? they want to make money?

[silk lotus]

Mirza only calls you a promised if you tell her you had a vision.

So promised sounds like those who were granted visions by the great serphent, like jinan.

As I understand It.

[rigid kiln]

the promised are those who believe in the great serpent, they are promised to be at his side when he returns

accursed are non believers

also multiple members of house va'ruun have had visions, only Jinan has actually seen the serpent
it's somewhat hinted that the venom tree sap gives visions

andreja talks about having had visions in the zealot timeline

[daring lake]

Psychotropic flora inducing visions is a thing.

[silk lotus]

Also do people still think serpantis is va'ruun space? Like is it cannon or was it cut content? I see it as a area they used durring the war as a forward operating position, then after the war the zealots held onto it.

My theory is that no one has found va'ruun kai because settlened systems ships cant jump far enough to get there. With va'ruun having more advanced weapons is it possible they also have better grav drive technology. The only whole in this theory is that the conoloy ship jinan was on had to jump from jemison to va'ruun kai. Unless the grav drive glitched/overperforned and they managed to go further than expected.

[bronze shoal]

it's canon in the sense that modders found the serpentis system labeled as va-ruun kai in the game data......
i guess Beth could decide change that in the future since we aren't supposed to see that...

[rigid kiln]

see I wanna answer this with a full explenation but I got warned to much about datamined content that it became a rule so x)

[silk lotus]

I mean the game data could just be leftover code from pre-production or early development.

wait whats the rule on datamined content?

[exotic nacelle]

Dont talk about

[silk lotus]

ok.

Im not really sure how dataming works but ok.

Ill go back to in game topics.

Hypothetically since va'ruun have advanced weapons tech, could they have ships better than what we currently have in game?

Like I belive zealots reporpose ships stolen from UC and FC citizens.

I mean I doubt Deimos, Hopetech, or Stroud-Eklund, or Taiyo were supplying them with ships durring the war. So they should have their own ships/parts hypothetically.

[daring lake]

My own take is that because the Va'ruun are isolationist (to the point of xenophobia) they
developed their stealth skills and are able to mask their settlements from orbital scans.
In addition the only Va'ruun we have open conversation with express their admiration
for things that grow, and for the animals that thrive.
Andreja was born and raised in Dazra but expresses discomfort with being in crowded
places.
I don't see their weapons as more advanced. And I don't think they have better grav drive tech.

They are more likely to be agrarian rather than industrial. Hence why they need to rely on
smugglers.

[silk lotus]

Fair points Vimes.

[daring lake]

Dazra may be a large place spread out over a large area

[rigid kiln]

we don't know much about va'ruun ships only that they have cool red lights

giving Nihil 💀

[rigid kiln]

but somehow constellation and lin know where house va'ruun is located 😭

it annoys me so much lmao

[silk lotus]

whats this about constalation knowing where Va'ruun kai is located? I know heller says something about Va'ruun space in a dialogue.

could just mean space held by the Zealots.

[rigid kiln]

not va'ruun'kai, va'ruun space

[silk lotus]

I was under the impression that Andreja dosnt know how to get back.

[daring lake]

Or at least were able at one time to contact them. The House did
become open to contact, if only for a short time. And knowing the
region of space they are in is not the same as knowing where Dazra is.

[rigid kiln]

constellation send a message to house va'ruun asking to go there for exploration purposes, then Tomisar send Andreja to infiltrate constellation

[silk lotus]

where is that states NW?

[rigid kiln]

andreja dialogue

when she tells you about getting caught

[daring lake]

Yes. So they dropped a letter of request into the embassy?
Or is some specific means actually stated?

[rigid kiln]

well it's kinda fague but andreja basically says:

several years ago, I intercepted requests from constellation to acces Va'ruun space, speaking only of "exploration"

and then lin calls Ka'zaal the doorstep of House Va'ruun

[daring lake]

Yeah thats it.
But could that not have come through Vlad and his Fleet/Smuggler contacts?

[rigid kiln]

I have most andreja dialogue in a txt file for the wiki 😭

[rigid kiln]

wdym?

[daring lake]

I mean that Vlad could have sent a message to House Va'ruun via
his contacts, the smugglers working with the Va'ruun.
Knowing the general area of Va'ruun space would not be difficult
for an "old retired Crimson Fleet"

[rigid kiln]

yea but I still feel like it's stupid that constellation somehow knows that Ka'zaal is House Va'ruun territory but Aegis doesn't

I can't type sorry hrejghre

[daring lake]

Of course Aegis know. Security services never let you know what they actually know
about.

The official UC line is that they don't know. But spys tend to know stuff 😉

[rigid kiln]

yea but why does it say unknown on the stupid map in MAST then, like that place is closed off untill you get acces

like I would expect the top of MAST to not have to hide things like that in their closed of office

[daring lake]

Because that is a public display. And its not closed off btw.

[rigid kiln]

isn't it? I could only acces it after needing to get to the president for the vanguard quest

like that whole floor didn't appear for me

[daring lake]

One of the first things I do on a NG+ start is head up to the weapons division at MAST
and take all their weapons 😄

and I can get to any floor

[rigid kiln]

weapon devision is not the same as the cabinet floor right?

oh valid then I thought it was locked bc I couldn't acces it for hella long, needed to check something and had to COC myself inside

my bad then x)

[daring lake]

Well, updates + bugs may have stopped you before. And I will
double check on my next NG+

[maiden dew]

Other than the Va'ruun weapons are the most damaging in game, shooting particle beams. That seems pretty advanced.

[daring lake]

I have a Coachman that can deliver similar (if not just a tad more) DPS than an
Inflictor. And a Magshear that beats it as well. Most damaging in
one shot perhaps, but not for sustained fire.

[peak halo]

There are other partial beams weapons, such as the Big Bang, Novalite, and nova blast IIRC

I know the Big Bang is.

[silk lotus]

I defiantly think the Va'ruun inflictor is rather advanced for a rifle. With the big bang being a shotgun it isnt really a fair comparison.

[faint cave]

Operation Starseed was a fun little side quest. I almost wish I killed Franklin instead of Genghis, purely for his nice suit. I wonder what made the Facility go independent from the UC?

[clever adder]

Don't think it was UC as no one has gone that far out

[quick tundra]

was the UC even founded when Starseed was conceived? I honestly don't remember but I had it slotted in my head along with Juno and the Constant as leftover lost stuff from pre-settled-systems humanity

[clever adder]

With Juno it pulled a star trek 6 with a Klingon D-7

[faint cave]

Why not? Volii, Porrima, and Ixyll are on roughly similar distances from New Atlantis and Akila and they are occupied.

That said, I read the computer on the Beagle again, and while it didn't say they were breaking off from the UC, they were worried that the UC would suddenly show up and attempt a hostile takeover.

[clever adder]

Considering that it was long ago probably before the war and how many times the clones reborn after death. Don't see UC going that far out.

[peak halo]

The UC is older than New Atlantis, it was formed a few years after grav drives became popular

My question is: did all of humanity survive the death of earth? Or did a significant portion die in the loss of the earths Atmosphere?

[daring lake]

Billions were lost. You can hear Citizen NPC's discussing it sometimes.

... and people ask "where are the cats and the dogs?"

[rigid kiln]

Dogs are poopoo hope they are on a planet far away so I don't have to see them every again

[daring lake]

Oh Nieves .... nooo... 😁

[inland hare]

Most likely a good majority died

[rigid kiln]

Rephrased it, hope that's better

[inland hare]

My guess is that poorer individuals would have a much harder time escaping

So the rich people had priority, and since most people are poor, most people died

[daring lake]

Well yes. Its not actually a speculation to say that the majority perished.
You don't need to guess. The game tells you 😉

[inland hare]

I mean like a GOOD majority

I really wish there was specific data, I love that sort of stuff

I wonder if there's any organ that tracks human population throughout the Settled Systems

[daring lake]

Also, the NASA records indicate that people had to be cleared to launch.
Rich folk may carry some influence for sure, but skills will have been in demand also.
Engineers, scientists etc ...
There is no known agency that provides a population census.
As it stands even the beurocratic UC seems to only count "citizens"

[inland hare]

It's probably too much work to track it

The settled systems is just too large to track population accurately

They could track the population of the bigger settlements, and then make an estimate for the rest

[maiden dew]

With the limitations on the speed of communications and virtually instantaneous travel between systems, it would become very easy to slip through the cracks.

[silk lotus]

Maybe this is more of a assumption, but hypothetically ecliptic mercenaries probaly have cyberneticist and hackers able to delete a person's file like in the file not found background.

[inland hare]

I think that's a pretty good assumption

One thing I like about the world of SF is that while humanity greatly advanced in warfare and space exploration tech, it sort of regressed in other ways

Like nowadays we have an interconnected web of communications all throughout the planet

But in 2330, communications are back to delivering letters

I just think it's interesting

[rigid kiln]

I wanna live in that world, no mobiles or internet

[solemn bough]

said the discord user

[solemn bough]

That's probably why 😆

[round charm]

Warning reddit users are now triggered

[clever adder]

That reminds me.
Rangers story line had me questioned
Before meeting Ron Hope a pigeon carrier came by to let Hope know your coming. Yet all Rangers kept in loop what goes down and where

Telling me the radios in cockpit don't work to anyone on ground?

Hey hometown control center we got a new deputy wants a meeting with Ron Hope

[daring lake]

Digital comms are possible. All it takes is SSNN/Galbank/Trade Auth. ships
constantly jumping in and out of orbit around population centers. Recieving
and transmitting data as they go. I don't know if thats how it works, but it is
a way for that to be possible.

[clever adder]

Or terremorphs took over the port where ships land and take off you tell me New Altantis doesn't have a control room in MAST telling UC ships hey space port locked down!

Can't get SSNN to report news stories in space through radio

They are crazy gutsy in attempt to attack lol

Its just one of those things that through a loop of there is something missing

Something not explained to well.

[daring lake]

I've got to be honest Orson. I can't make any sense out of what you have just posted.

[clever adder]

Well atleast we are both confused lol

[daring lake]

I'm not confused by the way comms work in game.

[clever adder]

Let's put it this way: terremorphs attack there's no space radio of SSNN to report this yet only at ports but that requires to land. MAST shuts down the space port once terremorphs appear. How does MAST inform sysdef in space of a terremorphs attack?

[exotic nacelle]

https://tenor.com/view/no-flight-peaky-blinders-gif-23059796

[clever adder]

Let's not attack eachother but kill some zealots.

Or put a terremorph in Vic cell.

[round charm]

Peer to peer connection

It's Canon I wanna say

[clever adder]

It's something that isn't addressed clearly of. Maybe it's cut. Maybe it has a purpose why it's not mentioned

Maybe mention is SS or added by mod script

[clever adder]

I put it in suggestions for starfield on communications understanding issues.

[maiden dew]

I just figure UC Sysdef/FC Security have courier ships that sit in orbit and jump to other systems when they have messages to relay.

[clever adder]

But required to land to pass message.

[maiden dew]

Only for us. Governments can use a radio.

[clever adder]

I'm going remind myself add the extra from star parcel next time around for the extra leg work

[high copper]

guess putting up some satellites on faction planets could help a bit, in system communication is good but when it comes to sending a message to another, you'd need to travel manually

[clever adder]

That would make sense

[faint cave]

This is exactly what happens, at least with LIST. LIST gives its members a satellite for communication within the system.

[clever adder]

Which left unguarded and spacers or anyone else goes whacking

[quick tundra]

so, here's a random question: is it ever explained how LIST makes money? Or if they don't, why they do what they do?

[daring lake]

Great question. The only answer is based on the assumption that LIST
gets their money from prospective colonists.

[high copper]

stocks

[faint cave]

I'm speculating, but perhaps other successful colonists help fund the project.

[silk lotus]

so we still dont know for sure where constalations first artifact was recovered from? Barret found number 1 in storage supposedly, number 2 on Bindi (Lin:Kazaal), and we found number 3 during our time at Argos Extractors.

Honestly wonder if Sebestian or John Banks found it.

[daring lake]

The one in storage is a curious one indeed.
I can't remember where I came across the reference to John Banks.
Been trying to re find it without success.

[silk lotus]

I think it may have been a loading screen?

@daring lake

[daring lake]

Possibly. I'm not sure. But at least you have confirmed that I
did not dream it 🙂

[quick tundra]

yeah, I thought of this too but then I found out you can bribe people to sign the contract and there's no way the economics on that could possibly work lol

[daring lake]

Yeah, I bribe them ... but do I know how much money the contract asks them to pay to LIST? No.

Do LIST have a % of the income the colonists make? I don't know

[quick tundra]

yeah, but:

You're paying them more than LIST pays you. If the contract costs more than what you pay them, the colonist still loses money. If you're paying more than that, then that means LIST paid you more than they got paid from the contract, so LIST loses money. So there has to be more income somewhere for the business model to work out.

[high copper]

Phil just comes from a rich family, he pays out of his own pocket

[inland hare]

John Banks?

[spring hemlock]

There are posters from the Freestar Collective showing that you can get Outpost starting equipment from the FSC.
So the FSC definitely funds independant colonies, probably like how real-life governments provide funds to startup companies.

There are probably other investors of some sort as well, like the UC and some companies, and I guess that LIST members at some point have to provide some service fees to LIST or pay back some of the funds.

[faint cave]

What unique slang or swear words do you think have been invented after 300 years?

[rigid kiln]

Sloth

[quartz token]

Nova, choom. Oh, wait-- wrong universe

[solemn bough]

gonk

[steep cove]

I know "Zoned" is used to describe being high on Araura.

[solemn bough]

is that even slang?

people say that today anyway

[high copper]

thats a star wars droid

[solemn bough]

true

i think the cyberpunk term may predate the star wars one though

[silk lotus]

Is the unity ||itself a star? As in the spherical mass of energy we use to cross over to other universes ||.

Dont reveal the spoilers unless you have beaten the main quest.

[solemn bough]

why would it be a star

[silk lotus]

I mean it reminds me of one. I may just be stretching things here.

[clever adder]

https://tenor.com/view/rick-and-morty-portal-green-aim-gif-13882422

[silk lotus]

Not sure how take that.

[clever adder]

It's unclear they going through a star or a unique gate to another universe and also in Lore you can spoil your butt off.

[maiden dew]

Unity is an uncollapsed probability field. I maintain that both choices are equally valid and happen simultaneously. I hypothesize that both choices are made once in the Unity. We both go back to the old universe and continue on to a new one. Hence why we "leave a piece of ourselves behind in the old universe". We as the player make a choice, but lore wise both are happening. That is why everyone else also returns.

[high copper]

my guess its the in-between all the universes

[silk lotus]

Ok I interpreted the unity verry differently. I thought leaving a part of ourselbes behind was like.... our space ashes getting spread throughout our current universe... as in the unity turns us to ashes.

maybe i just misunderstood.

[maiden dew]

It is left deliberately vague.

[clever adder]

I think that's like a ME3 choice decisions of blue or green. But mostly it's a choice to stay and return or die at one your at and start anew in a different one.

https://tenor.com/view/mass-effect-joker-crazy-gif-23713037

[modern burrow]

ME4: Shepard Not ded.

[clever adder]

Just buried Alive

[peak halo]

Star wars is ~'75, cyberpunk is ~'85, so...

[solemn bough]

"gonk droid" was coined in the 90's

they had a more generic name prior to that

[peak halo]

Give me, like, 5 hours or whatever the run time of TOT is.
Pretty sure the droid says gonk in the original trilogy, that's why it was named the Gonk droid.

I'll confirm when I finish the movies (or the first time I hear it.)

[rigid kiln]

wasn't it originally called a power droid?

[solemn bough]

The GNK power droid derives its name from the "gonk" sound it makes in Episode IV. The droid was originally called simply a "power droid," but a newsgroup posting in 1993[6] led to the now-official name becoming quickly popular.

https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/GNK_power_droid

they are cute little guys though

[rigid kiln]

I hate robots so much 😭

[exotic nacelle]

https://tenor.com/view/wall-e-no-upset-pixar-disney-gif-12539377

[rigid kiln]

Yea see idk what that is but I dislike it

[modern burrow]

Sounds like you have trauma from the Vacuum as a kid.

[spiral stirrup]

How big does a robot have to be to be considered a mech and thus illegal?

Or it's just human controlled mechs? Why are those worse than robots with guns on them?

You'd think mechs would help a lot woth construction and mining. Two of the things all of humanity is busy doing as they rebuild civilization after earth

[clever adder]

Look at Niira or Gargarnt

[quick tundra]

I think it's tactitly assumed that they're only mechs if they have a human pilot. practically no one seems to understand why they're banned though

[clever adder]

Used during war and part of agreements

[digital raptor]

They're probably just uber deadly, and shredded infantry, so they said no no

[quick tundra]

yes, I mean the underlying reason they're part of those agreements

[clever adder]

Probably ask Gib guy in Niira?

[high copper]

so how would you balance them if they would be added in game, my idea was limited power and weapon ammo

[clever adder]

Since that's ground 0

[digital raptor]

Hard to say right now, i know id make it where you can shoot the pilot as a crit....

or other parts of the mech

Be fun to use Starborn powers against it, and those are a good excuse for why the player can take them while they're dangerous to most in universe

[clever adder]

Extra joy

[high copper]

I just want to use the boost pack while fighting them

[exotic nacelle]

https://tenor.com/view/space-astronaut-spinning-stars-gif-16565421

[faint cave]

Spite ban by the UC when Freestar banned Xenowarfare.

[indigo nymph]

I fail to see how a mech could be any more lethal than a tank. Hell tanks are likely far more deadly

[modern burrow]

Can tanks use jump jets? Or swat debris off the ground at targets... or combat dive? Mechs would give the pilot(s) considerable combat superiority over a tank, assuming they have any mobility at all.

[digital raptor]

Because its sci fi, thats it. Why have the load lifter in Aliens when we have forklifts. Rule of cool.

Most space combat wouldnt happen in little areas like Starfield, they'd be kms apart. Better not to question, and just accept it how it is cause its fun

[indigo nymph]

"Can tanks use jump jets?"

Arguably better than a mech, considering the additional weight that would be required for the running gear and the extra armour needed to protect a larger surface area that's vulnerable to enemy fire

"Or swat debris off the ground at targets"

Can a mech do that? The ones in Starfield appear to lack any articulated arms which would allow for such tactics. Even then, it's utility is extremely limited.

"Mechs would give the pilot(s) considerable combat superiority over a tank"

Only they wouldn't. A tank is a much smaller, more mobile and better protected vehicle. A mech is a huge target which would require extreme amounts of heavy armour to protect it Vs a tank which uses a much lower profile and has a comparatively tiny cross-section that requires heavy armour.

[digital raptor]

There can still be tanks in Starfields universe. There's simply mechs because every single colonial themed sci fi universe has mechs in it.

[indigo nymph]

I get that. It's sci-fi and rule of cool and all that. It just doesn't line up with the NASA-punk theme that allegedly exists in Starfield and the implication of some degree of realism in universe design

[digital raptor]

To me that's a reason they left mechs out. Sure we're following this NASA Punk line largely for the universe, but it doesn't have to mean everything that occured in universe is in that tone. I see the mechs as just part of events that happened before, and less in line with the tone this specific game wants to portray. They're part of the colony war, and that's almost a different setting within Starfield

Its like when you're playing Kotor and you hear about The Mandalorian War, and the Basilisk War Droids

[indigo nymph]

Yeah but I find the argument for them not existing in the lore to be weak. "They were so devastating that they were banned" sounds like a cop-out when demonstrably a mech is a terrible idea

I mean they could have easily said "there's no more mechs because of the amount of resources wasted on the mech projects that amounted to nothing of use"

[digital raptor]

Well you're late on thinking mechs were a bad idea, every sci fi universe that leans on the side of grounded uses em. They're cool, so seems like they'll stick around for the genre largely.

https://tenor.com/view/battletech-mechwarrior-mech-cicada-laser-gif-21445054

[indigo nymph]

And any sci fi universe that leans on the side of grounded using mechs is wrong. Basically every military project that uses legs in any sense has been abandoned due to their impracticality and that's before you start adding metric tons worth of armour and ordnance

[digital raptor]

Well that's my point, even the grounded ones use em, so it's too late to start questionning it. Boomers really liked mechs, so they're in everything now.

[indigo nymph]

I'm still going to question it

I get the real life reason why developers put them in games. It's not going to stop me pointing out the weakness of the lore excusing why they exist yet don't exist

[digital raptor]

They exist, they were just banned, and we can't use them in the game. That's about all there is to it. We know mechs aren't practical in real life. They're still a trope in these kinds of sci fi universes.

Once you start questionning mechs you have to question everything. Infantry battles with this level of technology makes absolutely no sense at all. We'd do battles with drones as well. Most sci fi isnt realistic, you'll just question everything over the course of 24 hours, and that's no fun

[indigo nymph]

Apologies if I'm not being clear enough as it seems like we're talking past one another. I'm not questioning the mechs here, I'm questioning the explanation in the lore (you know, the point of this channel) and explaining how it could be better. If mechs are so dangerous that they need to be banned, yet we find many abandoned mech factories occupied by mercenaries or pirates, then it would be reasonable to conclude that some of those groups would try to reactivate the factories and we would see some illicit mech use. Only we don't see that. A far better, more realistic option would have been to say "we tried them and they suck so everyone abandoned them once the war was over". You still get your mechs in universe and you explain why we as the player don't see them beyond ruined hulks or have to fight them

[digital raptor]

I feel like there's nothing really stopping them from saying malicious groups use mechs in universe, we just don't have that in game (yet). The amount of space in the game is large, so we have the easy excuse of saying we haven't seen what everyone is doing out there. It's just not mechanically implemented

[jaunty ginkgo]

I can't cite sources off the top of my head, but I believe the ban on mechs is due to politicking slapfight after Xenoweapons gets the ban during peace discussion. FC's mech pilots were particularly more skilled than UC's

[indigo nymph]

It's still a bit...weird. Its like banning tanks after WW2 because the Germans started the war with particularly skilled tank crews. Not only is it strange, it's unlikely to ever be followed if the equipment is supposedly that good

[jaunty ginkgo]

Who knows with politics

[indigo nymph]

Well we do know because people tried this before and it just doesn't work. Germany was banned from having any form of meaningful army and within 10 years of that treaty being signed they were back to building tanks and planes (and no, Weimar was doing that long before the big H came to power). North Korea was banned from having nukes and guess who has nukes

So to me, saying "they're now banned" and everyone just respects that is off and could have been done much better

[carmine plume]

It is strange that we don't seen even a single mech that's still operational, given the number of carcasses strewn about. It's only been 20 years since the war, and I'm sure the mechs were sturdy enough that they could sit out and weather 20 years without significant degradation. Regarding your question, here is how I would explain it: The mech factories are huge, complex, and require a lot of know-how to operate as well as parts to create the mechs. Much has been looted from them over time. The spacers who inhabit the ruins aren't the intellectual types. They're high time preference criminals.

[jaunty ginkgo]

Now I'm curious what would spark the next large conflict, assuming both sides are quietly rising their standing army?

[indigo nymph]

Could have easily gone with that explanation for sure if we had some throwaway NPC dialogue about that when we're in mech factories. A simple single line from an NPC complaining about the pointlessness of trying to get the factory running. Like what we see often enough going into Skyrim or Fallout 4 dungeons. Without it though there's not much to conclude other than enemies are there and we should kill for loot

[indigo nymph]

Arguably war is pointless in Starfield. The universe is so open and resources so plentiful that conflict is basically arbitrary. The only reason I could see war happening is ideological in nature

[digital raptor]

That is every sci fi, not just Starfield. War largely doesnt make sense in space

[indigo nymph]

Most war happens because of a shortage of resources, a want by a power to control access to strategic resources or to control strategic areas. Starfield has an abundance of resources, a lack of any resource that appears to be strategic in nature and the nature of FTL in Starfield makes strategic terrain non-existent. So you just leave ideology as the only reason for war

[carmine plume]

War.. war never changes.

[jaunty ginkgo]

Can manpower shortage occur at that point?

[carmine plume]

Hmm there are robots.

[indigo nymph]

Arguably there are no manpower shortages in Starfield. Given the fact that every planet has hundreds of pirates, mercenaries or criminal gangs there doesn't seem to be an overall shortage of people. Then we see that there's a heavy amount of industrial automation going on: we can make almost every base component used in manufacturing automatically at our outposts and the factories we do see appear to be mostly automated as well

The farms are also heavily automated. Akila city has 100% automated farms and the group at Tau Ceti that get wiped out also seem to be relying on automatic livestock management and slaughtering machines/packaging

[carmine plume]

I asked Claude to come up with some lore reasons and here is what it produced for why the criminal elements haven't reactivated any of the factories or mechs:

Specialized knowledge required: Operating and maintaining the complex mech factories requires highly specialized technical knowledge that was lost when the factories were abandoned. Without the right expertise, restarting production is nearly impossible.
Sabotaged factories: Before the factories were abandoned, key components or control systems were deliberately sabotaged or removed to prevent unauthorized reactivation. Critical parts may be missing or damaged beyond repair.
Lack of resources: The massive scale of the mechs means they require enormous amounts of raw materials, energy, and specialized parts to manufacture. Criminal factions may struggle to secure the necessary resources without drawing attention to their activities.
International oversight: The treaty that banned mechs after the war likely includes provisions for monitoring and inspecting the abandoned factories. Any attempt to reactivate them would quickly be discovered by the authorities or international watchdogs.
Mutually assured destruction: The factions understand that if any one group begins producing mechs again, others will quickly follow suit, leading to a new arms race and potentially another devastating war. The fear of escalation keeps everyone in check.
Shift in tactical focus: In the aftermath of the war, criminal factions have adapted their strategies to rely on smaller, more covert technologies like hacking, drones, and black market weapons. Massive mechs are seen as impractical and obsolete for their current needs.
Superstition and fear: The mechs are associated with the horrors of the past war, and many people, including criminals, view them as cursed or haunted. Superstitious beliefs about the defunct factories keep people away.

[faint cave]

Specialized knowledge required: Operating and maintaining the complex mech factories requires highly specialized technical knowledge that was lost when the factories were abandoned. Without the right expertise, restarting production is nearly impossible.
I doubt it's lost. It's likely within the armistice archive and very heavily regulated.

[carmine plume]

I fed it only a handful of sentences and its knowledge cutoff is a few months prior to release of starfield.

[rigid kiln]

Bestie wrote a whole book 😭

[clever adder]

Tg it wasn't 3400 pages of va'ruun.

[faint cave]

I wonder if there is also a branch of the armistice archive in Akila

[faint cave]

Offscreen

[high copper]

The answer for why mechs aren't hanging about is really simple

they weren't developed in game, banning them gets most of them to not be functional, but yea of course I can agree some factions outside the UC and FC would be trying to fix them up, but seing as they aren't fully developed yet, no mechs

[modern burrow]

But there are Mech Graveyards with the parts and some assembled mechs so... it's not like they're not there.

There's not a sane reason why mechs would be lingering around any of the cities when they can be scrapped out.

Though it was definitely a lost opportunity in world building to not have had a mech that was converted into someones office / business building.

[high copper]

I mean not developed in a meta sense, like they aren't made, just the models

[modern burrow]

The mechs are made just not functional yes.

[high copper]

whether bethesda will eventually make mechs functional time will tell but atm the ban on them was just a bandage solution

[inland hare]

Yeah, generally when something is given a "lore reason" for not being present in the game, it's usually because the devs just couldn't put it in the game for any reason

I suppose mechs are just difficult to make satisfying, and they probably couldn't really think of a way to make it fit anywhere in the game

Mechs could be interesting for use in random planets, but I'm not entirely sure how they could be used exactly

[high copper]

certain boss fights would be cool

[carmine plume]

These mechs are like 100 meters tall. Absolute units. I was reading about tanks and they need a huge amount of support from mechanics. They don't maintain themselves. Imagine having to maintain a 100m tall behemoth that weighs 500,000 tons.

[inland hare]

Yeah, I really wish there was a boss fight against a mech at the end of the freestar rangers questline

It would be really dope

[high copper]

hopium says if they do add them then they would rework that mission

[inland hare]

Add different planetary gravity to that

[carmine plume]

Speaking of gravity, it always irked me that the structures that we see on planets are the same regardless of gravity. You'd think architecture would be significantly different on low gravity worlds.

[solemn bough]

So I was looking up reason why the nukes were launched in fallout an dinthe explanation it says that the reason for the fallout vaulttec shelters was to test out people in enclosed areas since they wamted to make a Multigenerational Starship ... Kinda crazy how in Starfeild we have exactly that

[digital raptor]

That's actually a tidbit Tim Cain talked about on a YouTube video like a year ago for his original idea for the Vault's purpose. Don't know if it's true in current Fallout

[indigo nymph]

Which goes to the reason why mechs are stupid in the first place. A 100m tall, 500,000t weapon of war has Ratte vibes all over it and we all know that Ratte was stupid as it would have the mobility of a brick and could be seen from orbit. Not to mention easier to take down from the air than a child in his first boxing match with Mike Tyson

Even the more "reasonable" mech models in Starfield that are about 10-15m tall would have 3x the required armoured surface area than an equivalent tank thus requiring 3x the armour weight for the same protection level. Then add the extra weight of motors and drive systems to move the damn thing

[round charm]

Nut mechs are cool🤣

[spiral stirrup]

Most obvious is the 3 system agreement where the UC and freestar agreed not to colonize more than 3 systems.

[spiral stirrup]

In Gundam, a bunch of teens can get all the work done themselves in a half hour.

[maiden dew]

The most likely scenario is another Va'ruun holy war. As the only holder of the internal Neuroamp and slayer of the Crimson Fleet, Terrormorphs, and Ron Hope; you are obviously the best person to stop the Zealot hordes.

I figure that is what is going to be Shattered Space.

[silk lotus]

I think a pocket dimension would be cool. Something like dead money is mothership zeta where our goal is to escape.

Or at best. A pocket dimension where we can leave our ships before entering the unity, that we can return to post unity to save gear.

[maiden dew]

The only reason to go through unity is to either play through the quests again or get better magic space powers. If you want to keep your stuff, stick to your current universe. Going through the Unity is a chance to start over.

[hot scarab]

Dasrik Bal'Mor terminal Log 08: A Surprising Message

It's happened!
The message was short- a simple request for information regarding the state of things in New Atlantis - but filled me with relief nonetheless.
House Va'ruun has contacted me at long last!
I had been forced to harden my heart to the possibility that I may never hear from my people again. Today's message assuaged that fear.
Though their intentions remain unclear, I am comforted by House Va'ruun's willingness to reengage in communication. I am hopeful that it signifies Dazra's willingness to return to more earnest attempts at diplomacy with the United Colonies.
Great Serpent, you answer my prayers at last. I stand firm in my belief that it will be at my side as I continue to serve House Va'ruun's interests in New Atlantis. May his celestial light bathe my people, and those we once stood against, and help to usher in an era of harmony at last.
STARWARE

[solemn bough]

yes

[indigo nymph]

Just one problem with that concept: house va'ruun background. Bethesda doesn't like storylines that penalise players for their character creation choices

[silk lotus]

I know that. I just know a lot of people would like a way to take stuff with them.

Or save stuff as it were.

[ancient jungle]

What about a chest next to the Unity for players to put the stuff in they want to keep. Except it need a key to open that can only be found on a Starborn boss in the universe the player drops into

[jaunty ginkgo]

Only taking your own self is part of the leap, I think further mending it like this would make the journey and sacrifices pointless

[high copper]

Again isn’t that just removing the purpose of unity that you have to sacrifice leaving behind everyone and everything to be reborn and become starborn

The moment there’s a choice with consequence, people don’t want it changed

[spiral stirrup]

There already is a working mod for this. I agree it makes the scarifice pointless but it's a single player game. Change it however you want.

[clever adder]

Didn't know there's one

[jaunty ginkgo]

Please just no complains about how the game doesn't have choices and consequences when they're modded away

[silk lotus]

Yeah you right.

Still think it will be some kind of pocket dimension/anomaly.

I just know a lot of people seem to get too atatched to their gear and ships. I know some would want a way to keep certain things.

Changing topic.

The starborn guardians who guard temples, and the artifacts are followers of the Emissary most likely. Trying to keep the unity and powers out of the hands of those who could misuse their powers and prevent other starborn from causing chaos durring their hunt for the artifacts/temples.

[spiral stirrup]

Sounds boring, like a personal jail. They just sit and wait forever for me I guess because I already have rank 10 in everything

The Artifact guards get action though

[tall panther]

The main story and world building in this game is a horrible and doesn't make sense. Maybe by listening here I can see what people think.

[silk lotus]

Yeah that is true for a lot of jobs.

Like in general.

[daring lake]

There is clear evidence that this is not the case.
All Temple Guardians will attack "You" on sight, even after you have sided
with The Emissary and recieved all the Artifacts.
The existence of other groups of Starborn is established during the NASA quest.

[clever adder]

Well got questions just ask.

[faint cave]

I can already imagine the fun questions they'll be asking

[high copper]

Like

[faint cave]

I'm still imagining

[inner oxide]

Just to add to this

When speaking to hunter or emissary

There is a dialogue that states

There many groups of starborn out there

Some act like them and others act on there own accord , so there is a chance there’s a lot more types out there
With way different agendas then normal starborn

[bronze shoal]

Is the Wagoner Farm significant to a quest or something?
I get a ton of random mission board delivery quests that drop off there
but can't recall if there was a story for the location too
I feel like there was, but it was so brief....

[faint cave]

It's significant to the Freestar Rangers story

[bronze shoal]

yeah, I played thru that

something about former soldiers being hired to run people off land so hopetech can buy up mineral rights

?that was Wagoner Farm?

Huh, coulda just use the Generic Farm POI, I just talked to an NPC then followed a trail out back.
all the detailed and unique building interiors for Wagoner don't really play into the questline at all.
feels like there was meant to be more than just one forgettabble encounter

[faint cave]

I dunno, probably just there for curious players to explore like Sonny Di Falco's Island

[hybrid axle]

Starfield main story ain’t even that awful

I mean don’t get me wrong, it is still a bit underwhelming compared to other games like BG3 or Cyberpunk 2077

But it is good

The world building is a weird one for me

It is good then it is quite a step back from Elder scrolls and Fallout

Those games are in a league of their own, lol

[novel sparrow]

Those franchises have like 7+ games

[hybrid axle]

Fair, lol

But only two are from Bethesda … 76, sigh

That game is just not worth discussing, lol

[novel sparrow]

It still has great world building and lore

[hybrid axle]

True, that is a good point but I feel if you compare it to F3, NV and F4

It is quite a disappointing result

[jaunty ginkgo]

Make sure you're not conflating story with cinematic production value

Not to mention that this game's main story is not urgent

[hybrid axle]

But I’m going to be playing more Fallout 76 soon

So this might change, I really want to like it

[solemn bough]

Starfield has the best main story when compared to other BGS games , but everything else is a step back

[high copper]

With the main story being isolated more from other factions and being its own adventure unlike previous titles it is different

[hybrid axle]

The factions are much better, compared to previous games
I would SF factions are all good and the side quests are some of the best I’ve seen from BGS

It also has beautiful visuals as well as my personal favourite soundtrack

The RPG elements are far superior, not the best but a step in the right direction

It also provides the best role playing elements since Oblivion and Morrowind

[solemn bough]

idk about the factions being better. freestar being space wild west is kinda silly

and we know next to nothing about house va'ruun

[solemn bough]

Id argue the factions are a steep decline. Way less in totality when compared to other bgs games, significantly less lore around them given the minimal amount of unique POIs. They thought focusing on procedurally generated places was good, it was the dumbest thing they have ever done. They are pointless to explore and provide zero value in terms of lore and drawing the player in. Side quests are also a steep decline imo, but I did enjoy some of them

[hybrid axle]

https://tenor.com/view/scaredy-cat-scared-cat-fraidy-cat-shocked-cat-gif-19461740

[solemn bough]

also the fact that the uc and freestar both voluntarily limit themselves to only colonizing three systems seems kind of crazy

wolf doesn't even have anything in it

[thorn cedar]

I like a large number of references to such things as Kubrick’s space odyssey, the real history of astronautics. freestars this is one big reference to a space western, you immediately remember cowboy bebop and the legendary Firefly, I clearly didn’t have enough content on this fraction.

[silk lotus]

I actually think the factions are a league better than fo4's. No one is wholly right/wrong. You can play any faction as a good/bad guy (Note I haven't played Ryujin's questline yet so I may change my mind at at latter date.).

[spiral stirrup]

It was the peace terms to try and prevent more war, but yes, it seems more likely that it was designed to fail

Eventually either side will try to expand

[silk lotus]

Politicians be stupid. Probbaly didnt want their enemy to grow bigger and stonger through more land/resources.

[solemn bough]

Tbf FO4 is the worst game they have ever released so its not exactly an achievement bettering that.

[silk lotus]

also humans will always finds ways and reasons for war TBH.

maybe redfall was worse? Or is that debatable?

sorry off topic.

[solemn bough]

thats not bgs

[silk lotus]

oh right. My mistake.

softworks not game studio.

[spiral stirrup]

Fo4 definitely the worst

But Currie and Cait were interesting characters

We don't get any robot development with Vasco like we did with Currie

[solemn bough]

both are published by softworks but its who developed it that is different. redfall is arkane; sf, fo, es are all developed by bgs

[rigid kiln]

think all y'all wrote skyrim wrong

[solemn bough]

yeah softworks is a publisher not developer

[solemn bough]

why don't you like skyrim

[rigid kiln]

no spell crafting and world doesn't feel alive, great game, poopoo elder scrolls

feels like a downgrade to me from previous elder scrolls

[solemn bough]

this is an insane take hahaha. fallout 4 and starfield better than skyrim?

[rigid kiln]

I enjoy starfield more than skyrim yes

honestly can't remember the plot of FO4 but I somehow magically have 1k hours in that so 😭

[digital raptor]

I enjoy Starfield significantly more than Skyrim. I already came into it liking procedural generation, and like sci fi a lot more than fantasy. People have their reasons.

Feel like a lot of Starfields worldbuilding gets ignored too, dont know why

[rigid kiln]

I'm just a skyrim disliker tbh I have 6k hours in the game bc skyrim together with people but idk it doesn't hit that elder scrolls magic for me personally

like I said, great game, poopoo elder scrolls

[solemn bough]

no spell casting?

[rigid kiln]

crafting*

srry my bad gregreigjire

[valid girder]

I think the worldbuilding in Starfield is pretty good, but the available lore is a bit thin right now. Understandable, Bethesda had a huge vision for the game, and they obviously had their hands full just getting the base game out the door. Also, comparing the amount of lore available in SF right now against any of Beth's Fallout games is IMHO unfair. Beth already had two games' worth of lore when they got the Fallout IP. I'm looking forward to future DLC and more games that will expand the Starfield world.

[silk lotus]

I came into starfield wanting a fo4 like game. I got that. The lore and factions were on fact a step up imo. FO4 was every faction sucks somehow but the factions in starfield have merits. I say this only halfay through Ryijins questline.

[clever adder]

Has more twists coming

[silk lotus]

TBH im doing it with no perks into stealth at all just so say I have done all factions. Maybe ill go back and create a actuall stealth character for a proper run.

[quick tundra]

yeah the stealth missions aren't very good even if you can stealth, let alone if you can't

one of my "favorite" parts of the Ryujin questline is getting Manipulation, then having the CEO ask what you thought of it, and the options are between "it was great!" and "this is too much power!" when my actual opinion was "this was effing worthless and I don't know why the designers bothered tbh"

[clever adder]

If you have anyone of Constellation with you. They disapprove use of manipulate skill

[quick tundra]

oh yeah that's the other funny thing

I played a Social character and maxed out Manipulate before even getting the amp in story which made it more ridiculous

"what? no, this was a thing I could already do!"

(also I'm not sure how this works with Starborn. there really should have been a dialogue option to skip the surgery if you already have Manipulate because how is Veena not able to tell there's already a chip in my brain? Hello?)

[clever adder]

Old body dies in Old universe

[quick tundra]

you still have the perk in the new universe

[clever adder]

Perks are kept yes as that's a bonus. But your Old body dies your soul goes in the new body

Perks and level kept new ship, new suit, frontier loses its extras

[quick tundra]

you're using a game mechanics explanation when it's a story issue

if you only get the perk because of the neuroamp, then lose the neuroamp when going to the new universe, it makes no sense in-universe to still have the perk

[clever adder]

That is what it tells the player your body dies but soul moves to a new universe

Your looking for logic of a game that common sense logic is different from game logic.

Perks are permanent that's the devs made in the game. So even if you have it or not in choice wise it doesn't really matter. Should the perk be removed if go to a new universe perhaps. But what if one builds and Max's it out should it still be resetted?

[jaunty ginkgo]

Having played Arena and Daggerfall, I'm fine with the procedural stuff, it just means I'm more free to use the systems as blank slates. As for the side quests I think there's just less of them involving shooting at things, more "mundane" social issues that benefits worldbuilding

[quick tundra]

you literally entered this conversation by replying to my post where i mentioned the very obvious solution of a Starborn or Manipulate dialogue option to talk Veena out of the surgery (possibly by just convincing her she already did it)

[clever adder]

Let me try this route.
Everything on the player at Old universe even implanted into the brain stays in Old universe. When Veena goes in there is no implant. New body new universe.

[quick tundra]

yes, I know you said that, but you have failed to explain why your character then has abilities imparted by the brain implant that they no longer have

[faint cave]

Space magic

Blame that guy/gal at the Unity

Related: The version of you at the Unity is probably the closest thing to a god in Starfield.

[clever adder]

https://youtu.be/_rlCi-aHFnE?si=AbyueT17n9Nm_eky

"A part of you goes to a new universe as a part of you is left behind"

[faint cave]

Or like, it's the universe itself taking on a form the player is familiar with.

[maiden dew]

There is a faction that would disagree with you.

[faint cave]

The Enlightened would probably disagree with me too, along with the snake guys.

[clever adder]

The part that comes with you is lvl and perks. Part stays behind is any weapons, armor, items, or implants stay back.

That's what I get from that imply

[maiden dew]

I still maintain that the Unity is a quantum decision field. The character makes both decisions, to go into a new universe and to return to the old one. That's why everyone else wakes up with you if you return.

[clever adder]

Yep

[solemn bough]

so why does the unity depict a constellation devoid of any main companions being led by vlad at the end?

[south pendant]

Just so you know. Don't go to Montara Luna if you want to keep your stuff. The crime rate is trough the roof. They even lock their dung piles.

Not sure if it's a bug or a glitch but I hope it stays.👍 ❤️

I cant upload the screen shot. 😢

[clever adder]

Put it on Google photos or photo bucket which ever and then post link here like this
https://photos.app.goo.gl/7feNJKUMzuwNYNLR7

[south pendant]

https://photos.app.goo.gl/xfyLUxA3ce8Et7pk7

[clever adder]

Lol

[high copper]

prefer them not to fix that B)

[south pendant]

Me too. Just keep it. Fell of my chair laughing.😁

[clever adder]

I'm more wondering where the "lock" is in that pile lol

[hybrid stream]

Could I get a update on REDFALL. Yes I do play and enjoy Redfall

[jaunty ginkgo]

That game is by Arkane. I think the studio also have their own dedicated discord server like this one

[faint cave]

I just read this fanfic that featured a very interesting idea: A Terrormorph mind controls a weak Starborn, builds the Armillary, and become Starborn themselves.

[bronze shoal]

meh
afaik in-universe the Terrormorph is not intelligent, and its 'mind control' is limited to putting humans into a berserk state; not directly puppeteering in that way.

[maiden dew]

1. because they are out traveling with you. or 2) The Unity is lying.

[maiden dew]

I still think the idea that Terrormorphs are the last corrupted remnant of the Creators. Nishina shows that the artifacts are tied into quantum probability. I think Terrormorphs are the one creature to have quark tissue. Their powers seem analogous to some Starborn powers.

[bronze shoal]

I find quark tissues is tons of random animals
its not Terrormorph exclusive

[silk lotus]

Tetramorphs aready have lore through the vanguard questline. They are mutated heat leaches.

or adult heatleaches. Its unclear.

We know heatleaches can turn into terrmorphs, but at the same time heat leaches arent really juveniles since according to dialogue they are also capable of breeding with eachother before becoming terrormorphs.

[quick tundra]

it's very clear that they're the adults

if it were mutated only they would only appear on Londinion because that's where the compound that ages them more quickly lies. The reason terrormorphs appear on all inhabited planets is because of stowaway heatleeches that escape and then grow up in the wild

[quick tundra]

yeah all elite creatures can drop it

[silk lotus]

good point.

[bronze shoal]

nothing wrong with breeding at multiple life stages. we already see this IRL. go lookup Jellyfish life cycle, it'll blow your mind.

one could argue there isn't a distinct adult and juvenile stage, rather its an animal that can take multiple forms.

the 'polyp' form of jellyfish resembles a sea anenome, it is capable of reproducing more polyps, or producing 'medusa' (the familar swimming jelly)
yet 'medusa' are also capable of reproduction among themselves, dropping eggs that become polyps

is the medusa the adult? or the polyp the adult? both are fully functional animals

terrormorph and heatleeches are the same idea

[silk lotus]

I ll take your word on it.

[bronze shoal]

don't like nature documentaries? Deep Look on youtube has a cool video on it

[silk lotus]

Im more of a history guy.

yeah I stopped with the history channel a while go.

[solemn bough]

1. doesn't make sense intuitively since you only ever have one companion with you at a time
2. what would be the motive for that

[maiden dew]

The Constellation companions make for great crew. Barret and Sam are top tier with their crew skills. Sarah is a freebie crew that does not count towards your max crew. Andreja is not that great as a crew member, but her stealth and PB skills make her great as a companion.

[solemn bough]

i have no idea what that has to do with what i said but alright

[maiden dew]

The idea is that most players will have the members of Constellation on their ship crew as they tool around the settled systems. So they would not be at the lodge because they are with you.

[solemn bough]

i also just don't see sarah just completely leaving constellation in the hands of vladimir when she's still hanging around and never going back

[maiden dew]

Love makes you do silly stuff.

Marry Sarah and she finally takes the stick out.

[solemn bough]

are we assuming you married the other three as well in this scenario?

interesting canon lol

[maiden dew]

Barret would want to hang around with his friends regardless. Same with Sam. Andreja would follow you to the end of the world after her companion quest, marriage or not. She basically has no one else.

[solemn bough]

i guess it's possible, but to me a much simpler explanation is that the reason that the unity depicts constellation without any of the main companions is because they all went through the unity. nice and simple

[maiden dew]

Maybe the Unity just wants you to think you have an actual choice.

[exotic nacelle]

https://tenor.com/view/space-outer-space-space-ship-gif-12307979

[hybrid axle]

I think the small set of companions is a smart choice

When you're at constellation, it has those family vibes, the team feels tight and when you're on your ship, the interactions and dialogue make it feel like you're apart of a team

Then evetuslly, proceesing through the story, unexpectedly one of them || dies and it feels more impactful and the detah felt real and rather sad and in my play through, it was rather upsetting as I had failed to save Barrett's husband and I felt really sad, lol ||

It also feels organic and believed and some of the acting is also surprisingly good

I was a bit shocked, lol
Bethesda, well done

[clever adder]

just a heads up you can spoil here.

[hybrid axle]

Can you, let's go

When Barrett died, I was very sad and then when the Star borne first appeared

Chills, so cool

[clever adder]

Had Sarah and Sam die. I feared an angry Cora for Sam dying

[solemn bough]

what's the advantage over having more?

[crisp crow]

Splitting resources between fewer companions means you can expand the ones you have out further.

[solemn bough]

were they expanded out farther though? companions in fo4 also had their own quests

[crisp crow]

Hard to compare with Fallout, I think they had a roughly similar amount of companions. Though they're both definitely more in depth than Skyrim for instance.

[steep cove]

Even when I start a new game I plan the story around who I want to die because it's unavoidable - and the only way to choose who dies is to become closer to them than any other member of Constellation. I think it's cool. If you're Starborn you don't have to make a sacrifice. But as a human, you MUST make a sacrifice.

[solemn bough]

with quests? sf only has four

fallout 4 has quite a few more

[rigid kiln]

all companions are poopoo except andreja

[exotic nacelle]

https://tenor.com/view/regalt-the-adam-project-im-watching-you-blame-point-gif-25097489

[daring lake]

Its avoidable in NG+. If you pick the relevant dialogue choices with Vlad.

No-one dies and you get an extra little chat with Hunter

[hybrid axle]

Sarah is my wife ( Will Smith ) moment

👏

[rigid kiln]

can't relate sarah is annoying and unrelatable forme

[hybrid axle]

I personally feel all the companions are good

Not as good as Fallout 4 but different, but gives us more evil ones

[high copper]

I do prefer the range of the companion in 4

[hybrid axle]

I beg of you and get rid of companions getting mad at you for being evil

[rigid kiln]

yea valid, idk I just only can relate to andreja personally

[hybrid axle]

Why be evil if every companion hates you

It is a role playing game, like damn … Todd

[high copper]

That’s why I’m hoping they decide to make some of the named companions have quests and relationships, befriend them and they get more involved with constellation

[high copper]

Then don’t have companion, you’re evil not like you could be trusted

[hybrid axle]

I just wish there was more dialogue or scenarios that played out where every companions don’t whine at me … maybe some variation and diversity in the way they react to your situation

It’s rather frustrating

[solemn bough]

sarah: "here at constellation, we have no qualms in employing criminal tactics in order to complete our objectives. in fact, several of our members have criminal records."

one hour later

sarah: "nooo you can't just let musgrove go! he stole an artifact, that's illegal!"

[crisp crow]

Aren't you obligated to steal from the collector as well?

I can't recall an alternate path to complete that.

[solemn bough]

exactly. and the most peaceful way to do it involves drawing your weapon and shooting an unarmed collector

otherwise you have to butcher the whole crew

but apparently it's all justified because he wouldn't sell you the thing, lol

[maiden dew]

Or just avoid the main quest

[clever adder]

It's probably why Vlad suggests Sam over Sarah lol

[solemn bough]

i think it's just the companion with the second highest affinity who goes to the scow with you. it won't always be sam

[maiden dew]

Yeah it was Sarah for me. Super weird she was all in on stealing.

[solemn bough]

sam was weirder imo i feel like he's even more of a law and order guy than sarah is

[maiden dew]

The former smuggler that was a party boy boozing it up and doing drugs back in the day?

[solemn bough]

and then became a star ranger, yeah

[maiden dew]

I don't know, we are a Star Ranger, and pretty sure the majority of players are not above stealing or smuggling here and there.

[solemn bough]

but also what does partying have to do with thievery

[maiden dew]

everything when you are smuggling to feed your drug and booze addiction.

[solemn bough]

so sam steals on the regular and also chastises you for stealing?

[solemn bough]

i didn't do his companion quest. did this really happen or are you making it up?

[maiden dew]

I can see Sam being more okay with it than Sarah with the UC stick up her butt.

[maiden dew]

Yep. That is his background he reveals if you continue on long enough with his quest. He also reveals his wife.

[clever adder]

What in the f?

[solemn bough]

i knew he had a wife, i didn't know he was a degenerate petty criminal and drug addict

[maiden dew]

And apparently an amazing pilot. That is what got him into the Rangers. He mostly defeated a small aramada of pirates and then was saved by the Rangers.

[maiden dew]

That whole mission was a poorly written railroad.

[solemn bough]

wish there was a starfield wiki that actually had info about the characters beyond the most surface level observations

[solemn bough]

your highest affinity companion is the one who goes to the eye and ||possibly dies||. the second highest goes with you to the scow

[maiden dew]

If Sam is dead, enter the Unity and make him your companion.

[clever adder]

I bet including for Sarah being loose like that

[solemn bough]

i uninstalled the game for now but maybe when we finally get some new content

[rigid kiln]

I have 130 pages of andreja just need to order them

https://www.reddit.com/r/HouseVaruun/s/TJuquRc297
This is everything we have so far, ambassador qasrik bal'mor is the most worked out

[quick tundra]

I just ran for it. Even on max difficulty you can book it without killing anyone

[solemn bough]

i was expecting to be able to release the animals from the zoo to cause a distraction

[quick tundra]

I thought you could…never tried it but the dialogue on the ship makes it sound like you can

[solemn bough]

ahhh i just looked up a guide and i guess you can. apparently there are three named guards who will each give you a tip for 1000 credits that allows you to access it a different way

not sure why you can't just hack it but there you go

[maiden dew]

You can, you just have to do right before you talk to the collector.

[solemn bough]

i guess i waited too long then, i think i already had him standing by the artifact

i thought i would be able to convince him to hand it over but i guess your only option at that point is to shoot him

[silk lotus]

The trackers alliance must have some kind of administration behind the scenes right? They did produce their own armor, therefore there must be someone running things as well as funding R&D if they were able to produce their own high quality (and late game) space suit. I imagine they take a small cut of each actual bounty to afford maintanance of their mission boards as well, not to mention other fees and expenses.

[jaunty ginkgo]

I think they do operate in the capacity of a corporation, because after the interview with Loredo's CEO(?) in the Eleos Retreat quest, she says she'll contact them to sort things out if you tell her about the Trackers

[maiden dew]

Yep, and the bounty hunters on Neon and Mars mention it too.

[solemn bough]

yeah aren't the bounty missions on the mission board labeled with tracker's alliance?

[silk lotus]

yeah thats them.

[daring lake]

Its established that the Trackers Alliance are granted a quota of
bounties that they can gather in a financial quarter. It seems that they are
monitored and controlled.

[jaunty ginkgo]

Where did you find out about the quota?

[daring lake]

From the Eleos Retreat side quest.
Reisha Lance talks about it when you meet her at the conclusion.

[jaunty ginkgo]

Oh, I didn't ask much when reporting back to her for roleplaying reasons. I'd have to recomb that sometime

[daring lake]

Question her about how she will do stuff 😉

[novel sparrow]

Any lore about the nukes in Starfield? Are they still meta? Or did they develop a technology that rendered them useless? That would explain the reason they weren’t used in the colony wars

[jaunty ginkgo]

I don't remember if there are specifics, but check stuff about Niira. That place got inhabitable after the wars

Now that I think about it, even if there are no nukes, that planet's ecosystem was nonetheless destroyed

[daring lake]

Nukes render themselves "useless" in that using them guarantees your
own destruction. Just as in real life I guess 🤷‍♂️

[silk lotus]

Had a thought. Was the U.C in contact with earth is it became uninhabitable? Were they watching earths demise or was there a public embargo to spare people the details?

[night mist]

The UC included Earth, did it not? Earth was the capital of UC before having to shift to Jemison.

[daring lake]

The UC was formed in order to evacuate Earth. And so it became the first
official settlers of the settled systems. This is established in the Vanguard
Information Halls and the various murals you can examine there.

[jaunty ginkgo]

Sam's comment during the exhibit implies the latter

[orchid juniper]

I don't remember any specific mentions of them in game but they exist and are used in the Star Wars universe so I don't see why they wouldn't still be used in the Starfield universe. Also consider the proliferation of small personal reactors for ships. Not sure how it works but the spent fuel rods from all those reactors might be useful for weapons?

There is also a lot more Uranium and Plutonium available now.

Grav jump a ballistic missile into low orbit before planetary defenses can react

[indigo nymph]

We don't really know what warheads the missiles are using but it appears as though antimatter weapons exist in Starfield. The frag grenade uses antimatter according to the print on its side. So if antimatter exists and is in use in frag grenades then it's not unreasonable to assume that antimatter warheads exist for missiles too. Antimatter has so much explosive potential that it would likely render nuclear weapons obsolete

[bright ore]

Where are the universities, especially in FC? I mean it's credible to believe that there's at least one somewhere offstage on Jemison, even if it's never mentioned. But Akila's a backwards dump that can't even pave its streets, and Neon is a corrupt hellhole with Bayu trying to shake down everyone living there. It's possible to believe that the Clinic runs a medical school, but you'd typically need an undergraduate education first. Where are the settled system's scientists, engineers, economists, etc taught?

[torn zodiac]

Probably the universities and other tertiary education are asynchronous/distributed, what we'd see as online school. It's also possible that MAST runs a school, for instance.

[maiden dew]

The doctor that is smuggling supplies from the clinic to neon mentions meeting the neon doctor in college. So it's somewhere off stage.

The assumption is that as both sites are FC, it is somewhere in FC space.

[quick tundra]

I was tacitly assuming somewhere in New Atlantis too. if nothing else there needs to be somewhere that the Professor player characters worked

[silk lotus]

Also the dad from the kid stuff trait. He was a retired professor.

[spiral stirrup]

The underlying fact about the colony war is that since there are only a few millions humans left in total, they didn't want to face humanity with extinction.

Nukes would've been a bad idea. The UC only lost 30k people total and it was devastating

[silk lotus]

Yeah slowly facing the genetic diversity issue vaults had, but less extreme.

[spiral stirrup]

There are less humans in total than lots of single US states in Starfield

And I just killed 1500 more people personally lol

[daring lake]

Interesting. Where does the 30k figure come from?

[indigo nymph]

See I don't get that. Iirc about 1 billion people were supposedly evacuated before the Earth died. That would put the total population of the universe at about 2.2 billion by the time of Starfield if we apply the average population growth rate for the last 1000 years

[silk lotus]

People probably bred like rabbits for a few years to ensure a growing population.

[spiral stirrup]

At the mast district memorial, it lists the UC casualties count

[spiral stirrup]

Billions got evacuated? I thought it was a mad scramble for the rich and most people died. Also lots more died after leaving with failed colonies and all kinds of issues.

[indigo nymph]

Billion. Singular. As in only one billion survived so adding the average pop growth over 200 years you come out to 2.2 billion by game start

[spiral stirrup]

Yea but tons more died after leaving, they barely had Grav drives let alone all kinds of resources they would need. People still use niva galactic parts hundreds of years later because of resources.

No way the growth rate stays the same woth lower life expectancy in general and the lack of resources

[indigo nymph]

I applied the average over the last thousand years globally. That includes regions with terrible fertility (much of Africa), two world wars, multiple famines, the Black Death etc

[daring lake]

Erm ... People still use NG parts because of their design features, such as triple
redundancy .... Resources are not an issue. And as soon as grav drives became a
thing and habitable worlds became known, resources for food + medicine were/are
plentiful.

[spiral stirrup]

So stroud, deimos, hopetech are all idiots for not putting in any of the redundancies?

Also, sure they are resources on planets but they didn't have any Infrastructure. Have to set up the factories to process everything, get more fuel to go to olanets that have resources you don't, would've been so much time setting everything up that mass people would die

Why else would 30k dead in the colony war be so devastating?

[daring lake]

No. Stroud/Deimos/Hopetech are driven by corporate bean counters.
NG less so. The position of NG and why their parts are still used are
explained by Sarah Morgan during the Moara Artifact mission.

[spiral stirrup]

But Walter is the only person I like in Constellation lol

I pistol whip everyone else everytime I see them, then screenshot their angry faces

[daring lake]

I find Walter very interesting. Stroud-Ekland only became a thing after
the Colony war. Presumably after Walter and Issa became a couple.
But where Walter got all his money from is still unclear to me.
The "vast influx of capital" that enabled the Staryard to be built etc...
It is sad imo that we don't have more on his background.

[spiral stirrup]

Noel and Matteo might as well not even exist. We get way more info on Walter than either of them.

[novel sparrow]

walter deals with varuun

[molten sequoia]

And that's why he's based

[indigo nymph]

If mass people would die without access to food factories then humanity wouldn't have survived up until now

[digital raptor]

Life seems pretty good in universe aside from pirates. Technology is widespread and nothing stops someone from just settling down a planet somewhere undisturbed

and terrorpmorphs

[spiral stirrup]

No because people were on their home planet. Can't just grow stuff on alien soil or eat alien plants and expect the human body to process it, when everything evolved separately with different atmospheres and everything

All the virus, microbes, and bacteria would've killed everyone if they didn't process the food

Humans would have zero immunity to alien bacteria

Kids have to build up theirs even here on earth

[spiral stirrup]

100% best game universe I would choose to live in, simply because of the lack of things that would for sure kill me.

I could stay alive being miserable mining in cydonia. Trying to walk from falhreath to whiterun? I'd run into 20x bandits and be killed.

[solemn bough]

chunks exists though

[maiden dew]

Noel is a graduate student. Would not expect much from her background.

Matteo is a former thief turned religious. Does not need much more than that.

[maiden dew]

No alien planet seems to have as rich of biodiversity as Earth does. It would be a decent assumption that earth based life forms would be more robust, coming from a more competitive biosphere.

[crisp crow]

How humans would react to alien bacteria is difficult to impossible to say right now.

[exotic nacelle]

Current lore is ours will just kill alien life that encounters it, so vs is likely

[maiden dew]

@signal walrus Our prime universe's Aiza was just touched by an artifact. But if you jump through Unity, a possible NG+ universe will have you meet your alternate self. So a different Universe's Aiza could be starborn.

[solemn bough]

he is? damn

[maiden dew]

Yeah, you can talk to him and find out his background. Well you can if you have not entered Unity, or skipped the main quest in NG+.

[orchid juniper]

wasn't he stealing religious artifacts?

or is that just Walter giving him a hard time?

[maiden dew]

I think it was just artifacts, but it was several months ago when I had that conversation with him.

[orchid juniper]

him and Walter have a back and forth where Walter asks if Matteo has stolen any cool religious artfacts lately IIRC

[silk lotus]

Thought it was the reverse. Religions man steals religious artifacts? I mean I cant see mateo as a real thief but a religious man who is capable of stealing.

replied to the wrong comment. sorry guys.

[solemn bough]

all good

yeah i remember the convo between him and walter

[round charm]

have you forgotten how hard it is to set up a successful base in SF

[faint cave]

I remember reading that Issa's company funded Stroud-Eklund when they merged.

[indigo nymph]

Only because people insist on making farms on moons with no atmosphere

[daring lake]

And it is the lack of information about this that I find interesting. It makes me want
to dig around and poke at various missions and dialogue choices for evidence 🙂

[peak halo]

Grav drives were a well established tech by the time earth had to be evacuated. They weren't as powerful as they are now, but they had been rigorously tested (which is why earth became un-inhabitable)

In addition, Nova Galactic parts are noted for having TRIPLE Redundancy (meaning four copies of the the most important systems, the main, plus three backups), implying that the other manufacturers use at least one redundancy, possibly even two.

[silk lotus]

Isnt there something calling them antique or collectable? Like space classic cars, that part was my own words.

cant remember where I read it. Loading screen or a description somewhere.

[peak halo]

Yeah

They are older, from early in grav drive tech and the Exodus

[silk lotus]

I mean they arent just good for redundancies, like they have legit collectors value in some peoples eyes.

[spiral stirrup]

Well I blow up collector parts all the time because the crimson fleet uses ng parts.

[solemn bough]

i don't understand why NG parts have the same availability as other manufacturer parts when they haven't been manufactured in centuries

[jaunty ginkgo]

Abundance during the exodus? Like AK rifles

[maiden dew]

And probably scavenging from the old ships. Quadruple redundancy would mean they would last a long time.

[solemn bough]

still, i would think the supply would be dwarfed by the numerous other manufacturers

it would be cool if ng parts actually had some distinction from modern ones. maybe they're higher quality but rarer or can only be scavenged and not bought

[silk lotus]

Nova Galactic over saturated the market with too many ships and parts, lost value, went bankrupt and got bought by other companies IE deimos. Thats my understanding of what was mentioned in alloading screen.

which i why their parts are still around still. Simply overly redundant, sturdy (AKA build to last), and with many produced.

[jaunty ginkgo]

From what is seen NG stuff doesn't get much use outside of frontiering colonies, right? I think the lack of use plus abundant supply balances out with designs that are actively manufactured and that much more used

It took until that Overdesigned quest where the idea of a post-NG dedicated Explorer's ship could be put forward, if chosen

[mighty dawn]

And even then, the "miserable mining", is just firing a laser at the rocks in low gravity. The worst part is likely just having an uncomfortable suit and living in a bunk house, essentially.

[high copper]

I assume for gameplay purposes it's fast for us while npc's it takes longer?

[spring hemlock]

And even then, the "miserable mining", is just firing a laser at the rocks in low gravity. The worst part is likely just having an uncomfortable suit and living in a bunk house, essentially.

The NPCs on Cydonia mention quite a few other things that make living there miserable:

• Incompetent bosses
• Bad safety precautions, causing people to get hurt all the time
• Long shifts with mining quotas that get increased to sometimes to ridiculous levels
• Water is expensive, and has to be imported a lot of the time
• Miners have to use drugs to keep up with their job
• The orange dust of mars is everywhere, and working around sharp and probably radioactive micro-dust particles that gets everywhere (on your skin, eyes, mouth, lungs and nose) is far from nice, especially if water is expensive
• It seems like instead of using proper safety gear, Deimos Mining relies on an overworked medical team to fix injuries and medical issues
• Alcoholism is rampant in Cydonia, even if you don't use alcohol much, you are probably surrounded by people who drink too much
• Alcohol + Drugs usually don't mix well, especially over a longer amount of time
• Artificial light and recycled air are very depressing after a while, especially if there are no plants anywhere
• The community center of Cydonia is a joke
• The mayor if Cydonia is a corrupt politician who wants to keep things as they are, does a lot of illegal things, and will probably at some point use his illegal money to live the rest of his life on Paradiso or some luxurious space cruiser
• A lot of the above issues could have been fixed long ago (better safety equipment, air filters, an area with plants and maybe some animals for relaxation, better water prices, less exhausting shifts, ...)
• The above issues have been existing for over 200 years with almost no improvements
  _ _

[maiden dew]

Yeah, Cydonia is setup like a short term mining operation, rather than a long term settlement. With Grav drives, water should be cheap for Cydonia. Send a ship to the rings of Saturn, grapple one of the ice asteroids that form the ring, travel back to mars, and profit.

[solemn bough]

crimson fleet use the parts in a few of their ships, and the player has easy access to them in many locations

[solemn bough]

grapple one of the ice asteroids that form the ring

can they even do this?

[maiden dew]

The only thing stopping us today is the fuel to rocket back to say Mars. That becomes a non-issue with a Grav drive.

[digital raptor]

Theyd have to somehow get the big ice chunk through the grav drive "hole." Not sure if grav drive can work so easily like that on a separate object, but they could just say it does

Like if i board a ship and we somehow both enter grav drive would it transport both ships?

Feel like they'd just break it up and transport big pieces of the ice back

[maiden dew]

If it can work on a Colony ship designed to be big enough be self sustaining over centuries, a Grav Drive can surely work on a small asteroid.

[solemn bough]

i dont think thats a good reason to assume its possible in-lore

if it's so easy, why don't we see them do it?

[maiden dew]

Because Bethesda seems incapable of logically thinking through possibilities of science?

[digital raptor]

Wed probably see things like that, or similar operations if our ship could go faster and practically fly to Saturn's rings

But the way the game is designed we just cant go to places like that, even if we physically fly there the long way none of the asteroids arent even rendered, the rings are a 2d texture lol

[solemn bough]

that's another thing i still don't understand. can ships fly faster than the speed at which it lets us fly? because when you fly to another planet in the same system you're already in, it appears to depict your ship actually flying over there rather than grav jumping. but wouldn't that take a really long time?

do ships have "super cruise" like in elite where they can fly at super fast speeds using their jump drive?

[high copper]

I can't remember but I'm vagally remembering Barrett saying something about it

when you enter a space he mentions something about getting out of a type of grav drive on low power but idk

[digital raptor]

Its not consistent, and I think they'll just keep it vague in the same way they keep Skyrim's travel time and condensed nature vague. I don't think they're worrying too hard about the details of it all. I still want to know what "new forms of travel" is, and if its supercruise, and if they'll say this was a technology that always existed. They could go the route of a character in universe inventing tech like that in an update or DLC or something and tie a storyline too it, and how everyone is now using it

[high copper]

that's why I'd say they should return daggerfalls and some others of instead of an immediate black screen and some time passes you get a better visualisation of time going by, helps make those delivery missions something you have to consider more cause of the limited time, so you can't just fast travel long distances without worry

[digital raptor]

The black screen in space moving between planets is my #1 complaint. Im gone out of here if they change that and just let me fly. We need that Daggerfall feeling of being out in the open in space.

Gotta be a loading screen trick that also doesnt rip you from the gameplay. Other mainstream space games already do it pretty good. Feel like No Man's Sky pulsing is the best way to go about it. That's a much different tech from Grav Drive though, feel like they could just say the Grav Drive can be used to do something similar though, think I talked about micro grav jumping before

[solemn bough]

strongly doubt we're ever gonna be able to fly freely around systems without mods

[digital raptor]

Wonder what new forms of travel will be then, just hope its nothing redundant

[solemn bough]

i realized if they plan to release it alongside survival mode then something as simple as a copy of the carriage system would make some sense

sol to porrima would probably be the most useful

some have also speculated that it's just a search bar in the system map

[digital raptor]

That makes sense to pair that with survival if they have no plans of actually expanding space. That makes me big sad if it becomes true. Oh well.

[solemn bough]

i mean they could still expand. i can see them adding a couple of new systems and maybe making one a travel point

[rich zenith]

Id like to see them expand on the lore for the Companies especially those like Ryujin. Have some interesting mysteries around them. Put a bit more focus on the influence they int he settles systems

And more about the Neuroamp

[solemn bough]

gets accused of ripping off cyberpunk

nah but i do actually like how the owners of the ship manufacturers almost all figure in to the story as power players. stroud, slayton, hope, technically masako for taiyo

[spiral stirrup]

All I want is for the train system to not leave without me everytime when i use it lol it so unimmersive to pick my destination then it leaves without me

[solemn bough]

wait what lol? you mean the NAT?

[spiral stirrup]

Yea

When I click travel it will leave, but I stand there on the platform watching it until load screen

It's feels like ps1 game when that happens lol

[high copper]

maybe one day they'll be ridable even with a mod, was great when cyberpunk finally made those trams functional

[solemn bough]

lol wow

[rich zenith]

I do like the commerical company aspects of the game though!

[solemn bough]

In Cheyenne folklore, Maheo is rarely personified because the divine spirit has no human form or attributes.

just had this pop up randomly lol. maheo is a planet or moon in the cheyenne system in-game iirc

[daring lake]

Do you even play this game clarence?
Maheo is a system.

[spiral stirrup]

Matteo might as well not even exist. He doesn't find any artifacts, he doesn't help any other members of Constellation, and he doesn't even go through the Unity at the end.

[daring lake]

Have you mis-read?

[spiral stirrup]

No, just the rhyming made me change the subject

[daring lake]

Oh .... ok ... thanks for the ping.

[spiral stirrup]

My bad lol

[round charm]

The orange dust of mars is everywhere, and working around sharp and probably radioactive micro-dust particles that gets everywhere (on your skin, eyes, mouth, lungs and nose) is far from nice, especially if water is expensive
time to port Zone masks for Cydonia

[solemn bough]

it's been a couple months ngl

[clever adder]

Give a guy a break. Sometimes he might forget things. Or gets confused between people and systems.

I use Google at times for missed pop-up temples that don't have locations guidance.

[solemn bough]

wat

So the house varuun serpent is that the same serpent from Norse mythology? You know ragnorock

[clever adder]

Probably

[solemn bough]

Would be cool

[clever adder]

Considering you have to grav jump every 4 hours lol

[spiral stirrup]

Why I can't marry Andreja. She worships the great serpent and mine is average on its best day.

[clever adder]

Completed her loyalty mission declaration of love?

[spiral stirrup]

Is that where I go to enhance?

[clever adder]

Sadly I never married her. But if you stick with her through the loyalty mission you declare your love to her

[quick tundra]

if you got the knife in the desert then that's basically a Va'ruun marriage

[maiden dew]

What? You didn't get the dancehall reception? So sad

[shut wedge]

Does anyone know what the knife under the bar in lodge is with scratch marks on the floor? I feel there is something behind it

[solemn bough]

👀 never seen it, you should grab a screen shot

[shut wedge]

It’s posted on World of starfield photos

[solemn bough]

huh. strange

there's also that weird note in the lodge with the eyeball on it

[silk lotus]

could be a reference to the eye (starstation where vlad hangs)

[solemn bough]

well it's a bit more than that. there's a picture of a spiral, and then a picture of an eye but the eye is crossed out

[silk lotus]

Do you guys think Shattered space be similar to the entangled mission? Maybe on a larger scale? Maybe a whole star system with 2 variants we can go between before the final outcome leaves us with just one?

[spiral stirrup]

I think it has to be about house varunn because the game is basically incomplete without them. There's a whole faction and big part of the story that isn't in the base game. Would be ridiculous to tease Andrejas story about confronting the council and not following up. It's bad enough it's not un the base game and they are charging for dlc.

[silk lotus]

Shattered Space being about The Va'ruun is a common theory. It can be but we have no confirmation.

[solemn bough]

i can see something like that

[hot wing]

tbh I think it'll be about the starborn/unity/creators

house v'ruun could be the second expansion

[hybrid oyster]

I think vasco is gonna become a space overlord and we need to stop him...i never trusted his charming voice.

[faint cave]

I am satisfied that you survived your most recent sleep cycle

[silk lotus]

Wish there was a scene where we meet starborn versions of the parrents from the kid stuff trait. I mean where the parents are starborn not us.

[ancient jungle]

There a fun mod Idea. You get to the big reveal of who the Emissary and Hunter are and it just you parents who mutually went through messy divorce in their universes so the feeling carried over when they became Starborn

That would have been a hilarious option if you had the Kid Stuff trait during that play through lol.

[silk lotus]

Any theories on what happens to non constakation crew members if we take them to the unity? I cam see some becoming starborn while others not so much.

[maiden dew]

My theory is that everyone in range of the armillary is brought to the Unity, so everyone on the ship. Everyone is presented the same choice. The Unity is a quantum decision bubble and like Nishima, both choices are equally valid. And both choices happen. Only the player follows one path, but both paths happen. Hence why if you go back, everyone else goes back too, but you don't see anyone inside the Unity.

[high copper]

I’ve always guess that everyone in the ship enters unity in their own little space

[keen acorn]

It makes sense since <Hunter> wants a ride (mentioned to me once back in SEP 23)(even if hidden) on the Unity trip. So I agree all on ship would. Vasco is not biological so I doubt he/it goes there - takes the spaceship back to New Atlantis if on board. True - I assume each individual gets their own box and choice in Unity. What is not clear is - do they all stay on the ship in any choice? Part is left behind in this universe. Is that a copy of you staying on the spaceship in that reality you left. While your choice to go forward makes it happen ? hmm Plots and possibilities. Make for a good TV show. LOL

[maiden dew]

If you have ever go to the Unity and come back, everyone else says they decided to come back too.

[keen acorn]

I never asked when I did that. I did not pay attention to the others.

[faint cave]

Vasco is not biological so I doubt he/it goes there - takes the spaceship back to New Atlantis if on board.
Noooooooo!!!!!!

[bronze shoal]

Genghis Khan after Crucible
is there supposed to be some after quest for him or something?
I chose the compromise Crucible ending, where Franklin stays, but Genghis goes free.

I've run into him in space a few times after that, each time in an upgraded ship. Usually fighting ecliptic or spacers; I help him out each time and say hi after.

but at this point I think he's reached his 'final form' a UC Deimos ship, and wierdly as I was roaming Serpentis for zealots to fight, he kept jumping in right behind me, Following me.
then i landed at a POI and, yep, Genghis landed nearby too.
I approached his ship but the door was "inaccessible".

so Was something supposed to Happen Next? and I'm just being blocked by the Infamous Inaccessible Glitch?
some After Questline for Genghis that I was supposed to be triggering? or was this all just total coincidence that he had the same destinations as me?

[solemn bough]

maybe that's the new follower asteroid glitch

[keen acorn]

No - not yet. But you can use a MOD to fight Genghis Khan and his crew. Search on Genghis Khan on Nexus Mods. its challenging actually. Get good stuff too. nice apparel, weapons, etc.

[daring lake]

Mods are not part of the story though. And however entertaining they may be,
it might just be an, as yet, unrevealed part of the tale.

[digital raptor]

Id argue the different realities aspect justifies mods in a way

[maiden dew]

It appears that touching an artifact is what splits off alternate universes.

[daring lake]

Really? Why so?

[maiden dew]

We keep going back to the time when we first touch the artifact every time we enter the Unity.

Plus some other subtle things that happen in game. It appears to be the case for other Starborn too.

[solemn bough]

Dragon born

Star born

Makes sense yeah?

[jaunty ginkgo]

Star Child

[faint cave]

Orphan of Kos

[jaunty ginkgo]

Starkid?

[solemn bough]

I wonder if we'll ever go beyond the ||Multiverse||

But th8nk about it, Shattered Space sounds like ||Something happened that has now broke space and time and it must be stopped or fixed before it shatters space and time forever||

[unborn crane]

I think people are too ambitious

[solemn bough]

I want to see them expand the ending of the game

[solemn bough]

i think so too

[high copper]

Not this early

[silk lotus]

I wonder if the player character will be the one to shatter space, and thus have to fix it.

At the verry least I wonder if the unity will allow us to play the dlc over again or if whatever choices we make we get stuck with.

[solemn bough]

most likely it's gonna function the same as other questlines where it can be repeated in each ng+

[spiral stirrup]

Why is the clinic so important that the director gets an automatic seat on the freestar board of governors?

Doesn't everyone just use trauma packs, panacea, and enhance? which is available everywhere?

[digital raptor]

I imagine the items we use to heal are more temporary in lore, kinda like a stimpak in Fallout. It cant fix everything. Someone could still get an arm blown off even though that's not mechanically implemented in game. They'll need a doctor. I think if/when survival mode is implemented there'll be more weight to having to use the clinic. Healing items wont be able to handle all conditions with our character.

[stark shuttle]

xenovirology as the Director explains. Exploring new planets means lots of bacteria, viruses and other toxicology that the human body isnt ready to fight easily. The Clinic is the center of research into developing treatments to help humanity

[spring hemlock]

There is also a bunch of stuff that can not be cured in the Starfield universe.
One of the non-constellation companions, I think it was the DRIP research guy at New Atlantis, mentions that his mother was a sniper for the UC Army, until one of her eyes got damage by a laser.
A lot of people in the big cities also have to see a doctor.
It is also often required that a doctor tells you which medical item you have to use in the first place

[maiden dew]

Once your character gets to Level 40 or more, you are basically a renaissance man with skills in multiple disciplines. Just the medicine skill ranks could be thought of level 1- First Aid training, Level 2- Paramedic, Level 3- Nurse, Level 4- Doctor. Even a Paramedic can do field surgery that would be beyond the capabilities of an average person. Comparing what our character can do does not translate well to the average person. So our ability to use medical items can be explained away as we our just more skilled than most.

[zealous pasture]

The lore needs to be changed and needs to allow more advanced tech like a starfield version of the enclave

[stark shuttle]

Sometimes game mechanics should not be confused with lore

[boreal trout]

Enclave is not advanced

Advanced are creators who ever build temples. It must be at least type II civiliazation

After reading 3 body problem and dark forest. I think humanity in Starfield is lazy. They build grav drive that is using gravity waves, use fusion. But they have totally no idea how Starborn tech works

What if starborns are controlling spread of humanity and their technology?

It’s cosmic zoo

[silk lotus]

More like the creators are good and starborn their Angel's? Demons?

One thing on my mind. If the game is all about starborn going through the cycle of unity (and powers), was there a first starborn to actually do it? Could there be a first starborn similar To Miraak of skyrim? We certainly arent the first starborn and I really doubt we are the last if any of the unity glipses are accurate.

[smoky onyx]

There was the Pilgrim who was around when the Sanctum Universum was founded.

I also noticed a few alien flora/fauna are named Caelus, like the Caelus Pokeweed on Indum II. Wonder if that's related to Caelumite, if all these things were named after the same guy, and if that guy was Starborn

[silk lotus]

Good eye Hoon.

[stark shuttle]

The hunter offhand remarks that he came from pre-destroyed Earth. he's been around a while.

The Sanctum according to the wiki is a recent faith system, only 20 years old.

[spring hemlock]

No, that is wrong, The Sanctum has been around for longer, it is just a weird line of dialogue that confuses most people, and whoever made the wiki entry for it was confused as well.
In the past 20 years it has been growing a lot more though.

[faint cave]

Imagine if we can marry our alternate self.

[placid torrent]

my character in her best Groucho Marx voice “I’ve heard of self-love, but this is ridiculous!”

[jaunty ginkgo]

Chems with "-Heart" suffix in their name gives bonuses to Power Recovery, and uses Caelumite and Alien Genetic Material to make. Caelumite has well established connections, but what about the genetic material? More direct connection to starstuff?

[silk lotus]

All living things have dna really, The genetic material could be unique in some way not stated? Could be some kind of rare dna sequence or naturaly occurring mutation giving a partocular genetic material sample more worth.

But thats just a theory.... A GAME THEORY!!!!

It could also be that the genetic material is a complete set and not a DNA strand that has partial decay after death. Not a scientist in game or real life so take it with a grain of salt.

[keen acorn]

Maybe revealed in future DLC. They have active AI in 2330. They could tell you rather fast about any genetic material. If the BGS decided to tell us. Caelumite is an excellent chameleon inorganic. I find the possibilities interesting with it.

[silk lotus]

I still half expect to see a Trade Authority on the Va'ruun homeward. Just acting like their presence is normal like "Of course we are here... why wouldnt we be?".

Like going to Japan and seeing a KFC wheen you dont expect it.

[fervent ibex]

KFC is really popular here in East Asia though

[quick tundra]

https://theathletic.com/5033081/2023/11/05/hanshin-tigers-japan-series-champions-kfc-curse/

[silk lotus]

I was not aware.