Saw

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[sweet zodiac]

I think it's amazing that both Unspooled and Scott Hasn't Seen are covering this movie the same week. I will listen to both podcasts back to back.

[dreamy swan]

Why not just make it 300 movies to go to space? Why does it have to be 100? Lolz jk. I mean cuz I get this selection from a significance standpoint but… I mean. No. Love the shout out of TS,DW.

& that porn definition. Very illuminating in our current climate.

[mossy snow]

In regards to the question of why Adam was put in the trap, I always assumed it was because he is a smoker, which Jigsaw would view as contributing to giving people cancer

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I also never saw this movie, because it got bad reviews when it came out and it looked pretty dumb. Horror franchises becoming financially successful doesn't necessarily mean they aren't dumb.

Now that I have finally watched it . . . I know it's dumb.

[dark spear]

I assume because there's a new one coming out

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On the "torture porn" point . . . I was interested to find that this movie isn't really much about that at all. It's more a grisly crime procedural/thriller, in the vein of Seven or Silence of the Lambs (or the junkier stuff that came out around the same time like The Bone Collector or Along Came a Spider). The line between that and "horror" is pretty thin.

[snow mango]

I also avoided this series for a while because I was immediately turned off by the torture-porn trend horror movies took in the US after Roth ripped off (and completely misunderstood) Takashi Miike's epic run of films in 90s/2000s with Hostel.

That being said, I was/am a HUGE fan of Lost, so when I realized that Michael Emerson was in Saw, I gave it a shot. I remember it being a lot better than I was expecting but still nothing great. I didn't rewatch it for the pod yet, but I'd like to

Looks like Saw came out a year before Hostel, but I still like to blame Eli Roth

[sweet zodiac]

Yeah. The original Saw isn't nearly as bad as people think it is. It was a pretty neat and original concept in horror when it first came out.

That being said, it wasn't THAT influential and it's not THAT good. I can think of at least 20 horror movies I'd put into space before Saw.

[dark spear]

Watching this now even though I don't want to

[dark spear]

Did not enjoy

It's certainly clever, though

[devout patrol]

i'm surprised nobody mentioned that the premise of being handcuffed, given a saw and needing to saw through your own body is right out of the end of the original "Mad Max". figured it would be some other australians that would make an entire movie out of it. i recall it being a solid little movie, but not spaceworthy and more of a stepping stone for their later careers

[scenic nexus]

Not gonna lie. I was the perfect age, 13, when i "saw" this when it came out. I thought this was a really interesting approach to a serial killer. A ripoff of se7en, but the ending did make my jaw drop. Then i followed each entry every year as the mythology revealed itself. Gonna watch it again to see if it holds up or my nostalgia is blinding me. Jigsaw and billy da puppet are horror icons much like michael myers and freddy krueger.

[fervent void]

That moment in Mad Max was part of the inspiration for Saw. Surprised Amy and Paul didn’t mention it.

[dark spear]

I don't think they've brought up every other scene influenced by another in every other movie they've done.

[dark spear]

I liked the pacing of saw. I should give it props for that.

I thought I'd seen it, but that was Hostel

[slate zephyr]

Finally listening to the Saw episode and have to take objection to what Amy said about Billy being a scary name.

I am probably not the only person to bring this up, but I am sure Amy is getting a lot of flack for not remembering that Billy is the name of the first modern slasher murderer in the original Black Christmas .

[slate zephyr]

If Unspooled were to cover another James Wan film; it should be Conjuring 2 which is his best film.

It is a forgotten classic; and is better than the first Conjuring film which played like a predictable amusement park fun ride It is a well-crafted technically made film that is genuinely creepy and terrifying (based on a real incident which the tape recordings are played at the end) that successfully plays off the universal childhood fear of being alone at night in the dark --- but what if those fears are true. The fact that no character dies actually makes the film scarier. The tired trope of characters have to die for the film to be scary is proven not true.

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Though I would say Poltergeist already proved that trope wrong!

[slate zephyr]

True. Good catch; but still love Conjuring 2; and I beleive it is an overlooked horror modern classic; and is James Wan's best film.

Thete is no excuse for making laughable bad garbage (ie: the jail scene 🙄) like Malignant after making a masterpiece like Conjuring 2

[fervent void]

Billy Loomis

[fervent void]

I mean Malignant is a riff on Giallo which is a ridiculous sub genre to begin with. But also while I like Conjuring 2 a lot, you’re that first person I’ve seen who seems to think it’s a masterpiece.

[slate zephyr]

I know my opinion is a hot take. Sequels to horror franchises, especially if they are directed by James Wan, can just be dismissed and get lost in the shuffle.

It is an improvement over the first conjuring; it is a horror movie that is actually scary, is technically well made and blends reality with fiction. The main problems with the film are Ed & Larraine Warren are no real-life heroes; and the movie takes liberty with the truth

I finally saw this movie this year (Springtime); and I thought about it more and appreciated it more than any new movie I have seen this year.

Paul & Amy can prove me wrong and do an Unspooled episode on Conjuring 2

I challenge them.🏆

[grizzled zenith]

What an awesome week

[sweet zodiac]

The Scott hasn't seen episode goes into much deeper detail about the place it was shot

[sweet zodiac]

Listening to both episodes back to back is a pro move

[sterile ferry]

Was mildly but pleasantly surprised by the first film but found this franchise went steeply downhill with each subsequent film.
I think I gave up on it after three.
Hostel and generally any movie flagged as “torture porn” I’ve deliberately avoided.
Was also disappointed with “Law Abiding Citizen” which wasn’t really billed as such but definitely was.

[fervent void]

Saw X🧦is actually a really solid movie

[sinful raptor]

It's amazing that all four of the hosts (and even the guest of Scott Hasn't Seen!) had avoided seeing the movie up to this point. I've been theorizing a supercut of the two shows spliced together so that it sounds like everyone's having a gigantic mega-conversation.

[indigo compass]

I watched this at home by myself last night and thought it was a little silly and definitely cheap looking but there were multiple points (including that ending!!) where I thought « oh this would have been SO FUN to watch in a crowded theater. »