#The Listener's Choice Winner Revealed
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sorry to be THAT person but the movie with Day-Lewis is called Nine, based on 8 1/2 by Fellini
Solid Choices made in the episode!
I can't argue against the listener pick. I do think you could end up with two or three from this group, but maybe worth deciding that later.
(I do flinch at the idea of saying the genre of There Will Be Blood or Children of Men is "Oscar bait," though)
Paul would take off Back to the Future for Roger Rabbit
At the time Children of Men was made, there’s no way any sci-fi movie could be considered Oscar bait. Sci-fi stuff did not get nominated in those days.
Woo! Got a shout out regarding Roger Rabbit!
That got my vote, but I’m still listening so I don’t know what won.
Uh oh… a second call-out for my Facebook thread about the sexual assault scene in Back to the Furure, and it partly inspired Amy to take Back to the Future off the list. What have I done?!?
I think you shouldn't feel bad. The listener vote for Roger Rabbit took Back to the Future off. The Facebook thread was just mentioned to help people feel better.
Well, I also forgot about the one-director rule. So I guess that was inevitable.
I see BTTF as a flawless film (like Amy). Roger Rabbit is flawed, but a far more ambitious, important and influential film. So hard to say which is more worthy. But rough result.
I would not have taken off BTTF, but I understand the reasoning about limited space and one for Zemeckis.
I’m not too convinced by the argument that young people are made uncomfortable by the attempted rape scene in BTTF. It’s supposed to be uncomfortable! That’s the point!
I didn't see the Facebook thread. Could you link it?
I haven’t seen it either, just reacting to the comments on the podcast. Maybe @weary sigil can find it.
When i first saw the choices i thought "i guess we're 80s and 90s kids". Im surprised we didn't get any older movies.
Yeah . . . as much as we heard complaints about the original AFI list and how 60s and 70s Boomer-centric it was, I think the show's audience also clearly has a bias towards movies from our own youths.
i don't blame the poll cause it's what made us cinephiles. I love all those movies, but it's nice to go out and find something out of our comfort zone.
While we're on the nostalgia train from child hood. I'm hoping for Little Miss Sunshine and Napoleon Dynamite.
I’m having trouble finding the thread, but I can summarize it:
A coworker of mine told me the story of her 12 year-old daughter watching BTTF at school and the class being horrified by the attempted assault. It surprised me, since it’s clearly depicted as a bad thing by the villain of the film.
There were a lot of interesting POVs on my story, and discussions of how women are treated in the film and in general.
I’ll keep looking for the post on Facebook, because the best points were not made by me.
Ah, found it.
ANSWER THE QUESTIONS OR WE WON'T APPROVE YOUR MEMBERSHIP.
Unspooled is an Earwolf podcast Starring Paul Scheer and Amy Nicholson. Each week they discuss a different movie, and consider whether it...
Not sure if that link works, can someone try it?
Yes
Did I miss it or did they say what movie they’re doing next?
Pee-Wee’s Big Adventure
Awesome!
Very chuffed that Roger Rabbit won the vote, such an epic achievement, especially without computers. I’m at peace with letting go of BTTF. Also a great movie, although I don’t know that I would call it “perfect”.
… and I say all that as a Canadian, who is therefore obligated to worship Michael J Fox. (I could be wrong, but I think it’s in our constitution.)
I agree. I tend to be harsher towards '80s and '90s movies in the poll for that reason.
I was pretty much right there with Paul in that I love BTTF more, but Roger Rabbit is probably a more important film.
Yup, the Unspooled group on Facebook did a poll of our own Top 100 and while the bias for 80s and 90s stuff was less pronounced than the original list's bias for 60s and 70s stuff, it was still there.
Yeah. I also wonder if there are any overlooked movies from the '60s and '70s not on the original AFI or dropped between AFI lists.
just a few years after Children of Men there were 2 scifi movies nominated for Best Picture, and they weren't the first (though there was a long gap between them & ET) https://me.ign.com/en/movies/194193/feature/every-science-fiction-movie-nominated-for-the-best-picture-oscar
I'm a Millennial and I think the original AFI list was correct to disproportionately represent the New Hollywood golden era
I don't remember anyone fighting against corporations in Children of Men. And while Paul may not want to be ripping it down, I very much want that.
I'm pretty sure I've seen Roger Rabbit more than the others... but that's an unfair comparison since it came out long enough ago for me to watch it on VHS repeatedly as a kid.
I sometimes ding Paul as being less movie literate than Amy Nichols or Devin Feraci, but I agree with him on replacing Back to the Future with Roger Rabbit. Of course, I also dislike Children of Men more than all the other listener picks. Since Children of Men got the fewest votes, I say that should count as it being decisively rejected.
I'm gonna say this pretty much backs up my point . . . at the time Children of Men was made, movies of its type could not be expected to get Oscar nominations, thus it was not Oscar bait. That the dam broke a few years later is irrelevant.
Also, the term "Oscar bait" is pretty overstretched and it's not a genre.
the term "oscar bait" is pretty tiring.
Yep
It’s meant to be an actual descriptor: movies made to win awards, specifically with the expectation that it could.
It's a little more of a pejorative than that
Right, I guess the implication is that it was ONLY made to get awards attention, without any other higher artistic purpose.
My anticipation of the leftover PTA films is high. Punch-Drunk Love was the first film of his I saw and perked my interest in just who the hell makes movies at a formative age.
I've never seen any of the leftover films
Oh well Magnolia is a treat.
I need to see the Master. I hear that's an award worthy performance.
I like The Master. I think it’s a good movie, but I don’t see whatever people see when they say they LOVE it and it’s their favorite PTA.
I'm behind on Licorice Pizza
Just started listening to the episode
I find it very shitty and mean spirited, what the one listener said, dismissing movies like Children of Men and There Will Be Blood as “Oscar bait”, while hailing Zemekis movies as “great movies for people who love movies”. That is a meaningless platitude meant to write off anyone who doesn’t agree. What an awful attitude
I loved Magnolia when I first saw it, but I like it less every time I see it. There are great parts and incredible performances, but it’s overindulgent, overlong and unfocused. Even PTA said in his WTF interview that he should have cut it down.
It’s a movie I don’t want to revisit because I don’t want to keep finding problems in, lol.
By contrast, I like Phantom Thread more with every watch. But my fave PTA is Boogie Nights. It’s shaggy, but warm, entertaining and deeply affecting. So so good.
Listening to this last podcast, I thought also about the movies named by people in the letterbox interviews (4 favourites movies). With some exceptions, the chosen ones are a mix where rewatchability comes first, then the so-called quality of the movie (subject, actors, etc).
I still need to watch Magnolia. Feels like something i watch on cable back then, but it never aired for some reason.
Honestly wild they replaced BTTF with Roger Rabbit. Never been a big fan of it.
"They" being the listeners?
The listeners made no such choice! Paul and Amy killed off our beloved BTTF.
Voting on WFRR was a vote to take off BTtF
Because of the one movie per director rule
*with exceptions
Limited exceptions, yeah
Back to the future is great, but yeah im ok booting it off the ship.
I feel the same. BttF is probably my favorite of the two films, but if we're going along with the limitations, I consider Roger Rabbit the bigger achievement. That AND because I also think it's highly creative, entertaining and smart.
On the term “Oscar bait” it’s always struck me as implying a degree of pandering to the Academy’s tastes and biaises. In particular following perceived trends or speaking to social issues that would align with the academy’s politics.