#You have quite the gall...

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dusk timber
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(Thank you Nicaea for providing the evidence)

So, not only do you lie about the exclusivity of content which by default encompasses BOTH the model AND the textures within, unless stated otherwise (which it wasn't), you have the nerve to tell us the two items aren't the same even though they ARE? Only thing that changed is the retexture?

  1. You create false advertisement and false hype, stating SEVERAL times in the Founders' pack that the items are exclusive and time limited, abusing FOMO (Fear Of Missing Out) and being incredibly dishonest given the fact that Aelion is the only unique model, or SHOULD be, together with the shields, swords, and helmets.

  2. We ask and tell you that you should NOT reskin content from these packs. You do it anyways.
    You faced backlash, you apologised and stated that you learnt from your mistakes, but you did it again anyways and proceed to not only reskin other items but the most important one in the pack: Aelion.

  3. You face even more backlash, but you don't care. We at the very least request a refund, even if it's in gems (we could demand actual money but we're being kind since you're screwing up your own game) which we can only spend in your game anyways, and this is your answer?

Shame on you. Absolute fucking shame on you.
This is NO way or manner to treat your players that have stuck with you through your bullshit and kept supporting you anyways.
I will not stop pressing on this matter until you have ADEQUATELY compensated every Founder Pack owner.

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We don't want your apologies, Paywing, we want compensation for your constant string of mistakes over a YEAR that finally topped our patience with the reskin of a dragon that costed 60$ and you advertised as UNIQUE and EXCLUSIVE.

We're done with your lies.

dusk timber
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Lying seems to be what you do best nowdays.

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"New" map, really?

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slender dove
slender dove
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btw they deleted my reply in question for dev channel, even tho it was 100% answer, officially given by company

dusk timber
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I also have the thread saved to repost it as many times as needed til it gets the point accross because censoring is not okay

slender dove
dusk timber
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Understandable, but we're still entitled to compensation after so much aggravation, and the disrespectful attitude of both the company and whoever sent that email

slender dove
dusk timber
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They broke the law the moment they lied lol

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Either way, they're not gonna stop hearing from me until they go through with compensation for their bs

shut fog
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Honestly, they should quit the with the exclusivity. They should have never said it in the first place. It brings nothing but headaches and problems. On both sides.

dusk timber
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I don't fully agree but I'm overall against exclusivity tbh

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So you're right phantomSad

somber condor
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Participating cuz I will forever have these imgs

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dusk timber
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"Exclusive Limited Time Content"

They're just ignorants that don't know what that means and think they can pull this shit on us and walk away with it and our money I guess

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dusk timber
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Basically.
Their definition of exclusivity isn't the same as the one on the dictionary...
The Founders items it seems were never exclusive which is why Im calling them liars
They can't hide behind "oh your items are still exclusive because we didn't re-release the textures" because exclusive means THE WHOLE thing, not just the textures
It was never stated that only the textures were exclusive. In fact it was stated Aelion, the model itself too, would remain exclusive back when people were raging about the sword
Therefore they fucked up, and are being very sketchy and dishonest about it rather than owning up to it like grown ups and compensating the affected users

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dusk timber
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Main problem is, we ASKED them several times if they'd reskin Aelion
We asked and they kept denying and lying to our faces, delaying the inevitable backlash

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But ofc the advertisement campain for the Founders pack is long over, they have their money, OUR money, after lying, they don't care about backlash

Except they're forgetting if not for us Founders, who are also avid fans and players, they wouln't have had nearly any of the succes and chances of fucking up further as they've had...

Sounds self entitled but I don't mean it to sound so, it's just how I feel things are...

high pewter
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No, its not even entitled though.

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You're literally asking for them to keep an exclusive, $60+ dragon as a founder only dragon.

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That's not entitlement, that's calling them out for being the shady devs they really are

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I'm right on that edge of legal action because honestly, even though it was only 60$ for most people, its still a huge legal issue because, as far as I recall, NOWHERE in the fine print did it say they would reskin the dragon. The dragon itself was implied to be exclusive in EVERY regard

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I didn't even pay for the founders pack, but I'm mad for the people who did and got completely crushed when they saw THEIR EXCLUSIVE DRAGON being re-sold.

somber condor
high pewter
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They also need to watch what they promise and say so that this never happens again.

shut fog
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You know this isn't so much a Playwing but a Ubisoft thing. As it turns out

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Of course. We have these issues

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somber condor
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It's misleading, which is equally as illegal. If you tiptoe around something even before you release a game, that's already shady as fuck and proof enough to win. They scammed several people of $60, and are using the excuse of a diff texture as their defense. What they don't understand is the exclusivity they promised was already set in stone the week they decided that they'd stress exclusivity on the dragons in the pack and refuse to elaborate on anything confused: aka zero communication. Less than what we have now.

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high pewter
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I love this game, truly. Its one of the most addicting, fun filled TDM style games I've ever played.
I just want them to fix their shit

shut fog
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The founders are known for toxic work environments been doing some digging. And this is a company wide issue

high pewter
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Dang that's upsetting

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Even if they dont fix the current issues, as long as they open their eyes and stop doing this shit, I count that as a win (and thats incredibly sad and heartbreaking to say)

shut fog
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The continue to ignore employee concerns, about burnout and rushing projects

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So it's not much employees fault but upper management

somber condor
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I just want them to fix their mistakes. Remove the Reskinned founders items, as it was never a community item to begin with.
Bring back game mode selection, as they have nothing to lose.
Bring back 6v6.
Bring back leveling rewards.
Bring back the old days, with the acception of a slightly nerfed leveling (if they bring the leveling rewards back so it's a goal and not a luxury.)

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somber condor
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The caption says it all

shut fog
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The CEO is to blame for many divisions failing this includes Playwing

somber condor
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Then the current pw employees need to have a backbone and stand up for themselves and their community. The game is currently part of what's making them money. They can't afford to wait any longer for the Highers to better themselves.

shut fog
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They are trying to, but companies like this are extremely against unionizing trust me I work at Walmart. We’ll get fired if we even mention unionizing on the clock. So now I see the stress with the cms and devs. They are powerless

somber condor
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I work at Walmart too.

shut fog
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It's how the get away with the toxic workplace environment

somber condor
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I was literally dehumanized because I work in the military, told I shouldnt be forgetting my action code because of it.

high pewter
shut fog
high pewter
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Talking about wages or unions on the clock is federally protected in the US and if you take them to court with proof, I can guarantee your lawyer will SALIVATE over the case and the easy win

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somber condor
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Ubisoft/pw Highers need to get off the throne they think they're on.
They're not gods, they're just as disposable as a piece of garbage as everyone else is. In America you can be fired for no reason at all. I'm not sure if that hold true, but you can be run out of a company by sheer peer pressure and threatened law on pw end. If anyone is willing to.

high pewter
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somber condor
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There's a video about a man who was getting paid $12/14 while his coworkers got paid $2 higher. Lol

high pewter
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I've always wondered if they were really the ones making these calls, but at the same time I wish Playwing had a backbone to stand up and say "not gonna happen, we'll do something else"

shut fog
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When you have disgruntled staff you get half the performance therefore disrupt the quality of the product

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It all makes sense now.

somber condor
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¶ayWing can't fire all their employees forever. They will get a low hire rate and fail to make the content the Highers want at a fast pace.

shut fog
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People like investors...

high pewter
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Yeah, I'm insanely sad to see that happen though. When they were more indie feeling in the beta, I loved it and they made really, really good decisions. Too bad it all fell apart

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True but no point in investing in a game/company that is slowly forcing an increasingly small playbase to quit the game entirely

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I just wish they understood that happy customers spend more money and make more for their investors

shut fog
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I don't want to get my comment deleted, but there were rumors that before the launch the team working on the game downsized immensely. Don't quote me on this, I could be wrong

high pewter
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Yeah I even remember that

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I played the beta and saw all the older devs leave the discord, one by one

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I'm just glad they haven't sold my beta exclusive skin yet stare

shut fog
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Like what? The Century phantom?

high pewter
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Nah I can't remember their names, but I saw actual devs just dip

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I remember going through at least 2 different community devs before the current one

shut fog
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Toxic workplace I'm thinking. 🤔

high pewter
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Most likely

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I want to say I heard rumors that one quit because of not liking the company and the community backlash

shut fog
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Yeah, that'll do it. Frustration makes the good passionate people leave. That's what I'm seeing here

high pewter
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Sadly yeah

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As an indie dev, I understand that sometimes hard decisions are necessary, but communication with your community and not hiding/lying about it like Playwing has is honestly so incredibly important

shut fog
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The Ceo and founder are blaming Devs for the failings of certain projects which doesn't boost morale in fact it does the opposite and anger people.

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high pewter
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Exactly

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Even saying "hey the SKIN is exclusive but the dragon model isn't" would bode so much better for them

shut fog
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They did not do that and mislead a lot of people with vague and confusing wording which I understand the anger.

somber condor
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Which is illegal. And why it can hurt them.

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If they did that, I wouldn't nearly be as upset as I am.

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It was too late to reskin founders the moment they sold the packs with that text and didn't clarify not once what they meant when asked back when. This is on them and they should fix it if they hope to "save face" the good way.

shut fog
# somber condor Which is illegal. And why it can hurt them.

The only way that can truly hurt them is if the entire player base stops playing the game. As I said video games/companies are difficult to sue. As they don't see this as a viable case. It sucks. Despite the evidence. Other gaming companies do the exact same thing but most are lucky if they have a player base that doesn't care or that they are making too much money to be bothered. It has to have personal financial damage to the consumers.

somber condor
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Their playerbase is already dwindled to numbers where the q times make the game worthless to play anymore without friends.

shut fog
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Like gambling targeting minors as EA faced several times

somber condor
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One day, this company will get the law against them. It'll happen eventually, I hope. They're barely making shit off century right now. They have no reason to keep it besides the meesly $100 or so they make selling the same packs fifty times in shop

shut fog
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Both against FCC and the Parliament with “surprise mechanics” was the excuse

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If this game does shut down the skins wouldn't matter much anymore.

somber condor
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I want them to give it up to people who will make it better. I can understand if some actually love the game but...man. without a backbone there's no form or structure. You can't have a base without support. And if the support is just paper, you can pile only so much on top before it crumples.

shut fog
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Do you mean Playwing to be sold to another publisher?

somber condor
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Yes. Something like that.

shut fog
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It'll be very difficult because the Gullimont bothers don't like giving up their IP or sub-company to competitors

somber condor
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Anything is possible with persistence. I'm pretty sure a fair amount of cash will persuade anybody

shut fog
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Unless Sony or some other publisher buys the entire publisher then maybe but I don't trust Sony and the way they are handling indie games rn

somber condor
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Definitely not Sony lmfao

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I'd rather Xbox buy it.

shut fog
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Same here. They've been pretty encouraging with the devs they have. Finally stopping Bethesda rereleasing Skyrim 😂

dusk timber
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Honestly, I'm just going to scream loud enough so Valve comes poking to see what's going on

Because thanks to P@ywing being so fkn rude I actually want my real money back. Not gems. The money.

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I'm just not gonna stand for this and I think none of the Founder owners should...

slender dove
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As I said, we can't legally sue them, and seems like getting rid of their fans, that have played for long time, is their actual goal

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Just don't give them money, that's hardest punch u can give them

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dusk timber
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After providing all the proof and writing to them this message:

I'm here to request compensation for the re-skin of "Aelion, The Throne's Watch", which was heavily advertised as exclusive content.

There's records of other items being-reskinned also, when they were advertised as exclusive and unique, and this is further aggravated by the fact staff members from Playwing stated officially multiple times that the items would NOT be re-sold, nor re-skinned, in any way, shape, or form.
This proved to be false, and I feel scammed from a pack that was very expensive to me (60 euros).

I've been a big supporter of Century ever since I learned about it during the second beta and participated in it in 2020.
During 2021 I bought nearly everything, becoming a collector of items from the game not only because I loved them but also because I wished to support the game's development.
You possibly have access to Century's data to verify how much I've spent in microtransactions, amount which I will not disclose personally, but for which I take full responsibility, yet I bring up due to how it makes this situation with Aelion hurt more than it should, both as your fan and client.

Finally, given the current state of Century, and how both the staff and the company have reacted quite inappropriately regarding this situation, I would greatly appreciate to be granted compensation.
Be it in gems for the equivalent price of the pack (7.500) or the Premium Thornweaver Pack which is nearly the same price (50 euros).

PS: I am aware that you have stated that "Aelion, the Throne's Watch" and "Aelion, The Untamed" are not the same, but they are in fact the same: same model, and the skins are too similar.

Thank you in advance for both your patience and understanding. I truly hope we may reach an accord to put this issue in the past, and I can look at Century with kinder eyes again.

Respectfully, CarinaAyland

Just for them to wash their hands once more and give me a reply that's basically a big "Fuck you, we don't care"

And then the mods DARE police me about my meme nicknames. I swear...

We're all fools for still playing this game and still buying their shit... We're just clowns to them and they keep making fun of us players and it's never gonna stop, is it?

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They're not apologetic at all, they're not even a smidge ashamed of what they did

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Otherwise they wouldn't keep lying about the skins being different, when they're not

slender dove
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Yes

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dusk timber
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True true, but I'm stubborn like that even if it's a lost cause Sadge Nobody scams me and gets away with it without hearing me about it at the very least

slender dove
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dusk timber
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Fucking literally

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Its not even like the community is bad btw, we had a TON of patience for a year, offering only constructive criticism

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But yeah after so long everyone is sick and tired of their disrespectful bullshit

shut fog
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Some people can't handle harsh criticism which is the problem. Nothing is getting done.