#integration class q

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grim rampart
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how do you integrate

buoyant pine
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im not sure, my teacher showd us this but we have never done it

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im a first year a level studet so i am finding it hard to keep up wtih second year classes,i just need a good enough person to teach me how to do it.

grim rampart
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ok so integration

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do you know how differentiation works

buoyant pine
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yea

grim rampart
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ok so how would you differentiate a*x^n

fossil pier
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I'm gonna listen to this as well

grim rampart
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nice

buoyant pine
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what does that mean

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the hsh

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hash

grim rampart
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what

fossil pier
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Times

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I think he meant the asterisk

gentle lava
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a times x to the nth power

grim rampart
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^

buoyant pine
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im not sure how to do this all i know is like

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u add one to the power

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and remove one from the digit

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and it follows from dy/dx

gentle lava
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add one and divide by the new power

fossil pier
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an*x^n-1

gentle lava
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opposite to differentiation

grim rampart
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ok so differentiating

gentle lava
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anyways I'll shut up and go away

grim rampart
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is times by the power, reduce the power by 1

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so eg differentiating a times x^n

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times by the power so an x^n

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reduce the power by 1 so an x^(n-1)

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cool?

buoyant pine
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yea

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oh that makes sense

grim rampart
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integration works the same but backwards

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integration is add 1 to the power, and divide by the new power

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so integrating a x^n

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would be what kenzo

fossil pier
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Cool stuff

buoyant pine
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it would be x*n^2/2

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?

grim rampart
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nop

fossil pier
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(ax^n+1)÷(n+1)?

grim rampart
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which bit is the power

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im asking kenzo

buoyant pine
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isnt it n?

grim rampart
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yep

buoyant pine
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then 2 n's make

grim rampart
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so if you added one to it

fossil pier
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I'm Kenzo 2

buoyant pine
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n squared

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or

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n plus 1

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?

grim rampart
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n+1 yep

buoyant pine
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so

grim rampart
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so a x^(n+1)

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then

buoyant pine
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will it be x^(n+1) then divide it by

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n+1

grim rampart
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yep

buoyant pine
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aye!

grim rampart
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a x^(n+1) / (n+1)

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ok so

buoyant pine
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who is a?

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where is a?

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coming from

grim rampart
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a is a multiple of it

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im gonna do an example with you

buoyant pine
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multiple of what?

grim rampart
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x^n

buoyant pine
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can we try that one?

grim rampart
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so for example

fossil pier
grim rampart
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can you differentiate x^3, and 5x^4

buoyant pine
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so this isnt integrate

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hrm

grim rampart
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its the other one

buoyant pine
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so x^3 x ^3 so x^5

grim rampart
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what

buoyant pine
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wait

grim rampart
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what was the process for differentiating

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2 steps

buoyant pine
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erm like

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times by power

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and then

buoyant pine
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remove by 1

grim rampart
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yep

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so for x^3

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do the first step

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what happens

buoyant pine
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so do i just multiply it again so x^6?

grim rampart
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multiply by the power means

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times the thing by what the power is

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so its 3 * x^3

buoyant pine
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so x^9

grim rampart
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no

buoyant pine
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3x

grim rampart
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no

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its just 3x^3

buoyant pine
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^9

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why doesnt the power move

grim rampart
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because its a power not being multiplied

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if i times 2^2 by 3 it doesnt become 6^6

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its 3 times 2^2

buoyant pine
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then reduce power by one so

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3x^2

grim rampart
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ep

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yep

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ok how about 5 x^4

buoyant pine
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alright so

grim rampart
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again whats the steps

buoyant pine
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multiply by power and reduce power by 1

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s

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5x4 = 20 so 20x^3 (reduce by 1)]

grim rampart
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perfect

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last q as a tester

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differentiate 6 x^70

fossil pier
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Testing bro's mental maths

buoyant pine
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so 420^69 ?

grim rampart
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haha nice

gentle lava
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😭

grim rampart
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you missed the x but

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420 x^69

buoyant pine
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sorry

grim rampart
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blaze it

fossil pier
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Ffs

grim rampart
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anyway ok so thats differentiating

fossil pier
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I got the answer but didn't see the joke

grim rampart
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now lets do integrating

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for me integrate 6x^2 and 8x and 10x^3

buoyant pine
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what are the steps again

grim rampart
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so its differentiating but backwarsd

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its add one to the power, then divide by the new power

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do you see how if you do this backwards, and do the opposite of each instruction

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its differentinatin

buoyant pine
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ok so 6x^3/x^3 ?

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or

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divide by 3

gentle lava
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divide by 3

grim rampart
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by what the power is

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so 3

buoyant pine
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6x^3 divide by 3

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yeaaa

grim rampart
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simplify

fossil pier
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2x³

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He's cooking

buoyant pine
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so

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3 and 2

grim rampart
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for spectators we have quite the rowdy chat

buoyant pine
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2x^2?

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3

grim rampart
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yep

buoyant pine
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2x^2

grim rampart
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how about 8x

buoyant pine
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3

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erm

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wait

grim rampart
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2x^3 was right

buoyant pine
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so 8x^2/2

gentle lava
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(constant of integration??)

grim rampart
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im ignoring it for now

grim rampart
gentle lava
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o okay

grim rampart
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simplify

buoyant pine
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4x^2

grim rampart
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nice

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and then 10x^3

fossil pier
buoyant pine
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10x^4/4

grim rampart
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im gonna say it again

buoyant pine
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hrm?

grim rampart
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SIMPLIFY

gentle lava
buoyant pine
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5x^4/2

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?

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idk

grim rampart
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nice perfect

buoyant pine
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that ones hader

grim rampart
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ok so

fossil pier
gentle lava
grim rampart
gentle lava
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I mean yes that's true

grim rampart
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theres letters but dont let them scare you

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the middle thing is saying

buoyant pine
grim rampart
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'integrate ax^2 - 7a^2 x - 7a^3 / 3'

fossil pier
buoyant pine
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yea

grim rampart
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so

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we can do this term by term

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so ax^2

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integrate

buoyant pine
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ax^3/3

grim rampart
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nice

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next one

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-7a^2 x

buoyant pine
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-7a^3x/3x

grim rampart
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nop

buoyant pine
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cry

grim rampart
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so x is the variable youre integrating

fossil pier
grim rampart
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a is just an extra thing

grim rampart
buoyant pine
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so 3x^2/2

grim rampart
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youve lost the rest of the variables

fossil pier
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But is power of a also increased?

grim rampart
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integrating -7a^2 x

grim rampart
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integrating -7a^2 x

fossil pier
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Cool

grim rampart
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you do the rules for x

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ignore everything else for now

buoyant pine
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wait

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-7xa^3/3

grim rampart
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you did the rules for a

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not x

buoyant pine
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what do i do

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i dont get it

grim rampart
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whats the power of x

buoyant pine
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2

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3

grim rampart
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no

buoyant pine
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wait

grim rampart
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integrating -7a^2 x

buoyant pine
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1

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cuz

grim rampart
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yea

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so

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do the rules

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after step 1 what happens

buoyant pine
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-7xa^3x^2/(3x2)

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=6

grim rampart
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not over 3x2

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you divide by the power of x

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again you ignore a

buoyant pine
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so 1

grim rampart
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so 2

buoyant pine
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wait xuz

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cuz

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x power is 1

grim rampart
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-7a^2 x

buoyant pine
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add 1 to it

grim rampart
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add one to the power

buoyant pine
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is 2

grim rampart
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-7a^2 x^2

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divide by the new power

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-7a^2 x^2 / 2

buoyant pine
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so -7xa^2x^2/2

grim rampart
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use * for times

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cuz x is a varaible

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but yes

buoyant pine
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okok i get it

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dang this is tricky

grim rampart
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ok and then

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im gonna do a different example first

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how would you integrate just the number 1

buoyant pine
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1^2/2

grim rampart
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nop

buoyant pine
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cuz 1^1 is 1

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no?

grim rampart
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yeah but its not the power of 1 that matters

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its the power of x

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so im gonna say

fossil pier
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Maths is fun

grim rampart
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do you know what x^0 is

buoyant pine
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not sure

grim rampart
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so anything to the power of 0

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is 1

buoyant pine
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always?

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even negative

grim rampart
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always

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yea

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so we can rewrite 1 as

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1 * x^0

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right

buoyant pine
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I SEE

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so

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1^1/1 = 1

grim rampart
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wheres x gone

buoyant pine
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maybe i dont see

grim rampart
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what have you done with the power of x

buoyant pine
grim rampart
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1 x^0

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im saying 1 = 1 * x^0

buoyant pine
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1x^1/1

grim rampart
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because x^0 = 1

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yep

buoyant pine
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ohhh ok i get it

grim rampart
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simplified is just x

buoyant pine
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damn this stuff is harddd how will i learn all this in a year :/

grim rampart
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ok try integrate 4

fossil pier
buoyant pine
fossil pier
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Damn

grim rampart
fossil pier
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How come you don't get the full 2 years?

buoyant pine
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4x.

grim rampart
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ok integrate 100

buoyant pine
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becayse its

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100x^1/1 = 100x

grim rampart
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ok so let say i have a mysterious constant called c

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(c is NOT x)

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integrate c (use same method you just used)

buoyant pine
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who is c

buoyant pine
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what u mean constant

grim rampart
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a number that you dont know

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but its fixed

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ie it cant change

buoyant pine
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how will i work it out if i dnt know

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oh

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0?

grim rampart
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no

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do the exact same method you did for 1, 4 and 100

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for c

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integrating

buoyant pine
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100x^1/1 = 100x +c

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c = unknown

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so

grim rampart
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where the fuck has 100 come from

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and +c

buoyant pine
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i have no idea

grim rampart
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integrate 4 for me

buoyant pine
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4x^1/1

grim rampart
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simplify

buoyant pine
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4x

grim rampart
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integrate 9

buoyant pine
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9x

grim rampart
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do the exact same method

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integrate c

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where c is a constant

buoyant pine
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c multiplinksd by x

grim rampart
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yep

buoyant pine
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cx

grim rampart
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cx

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so a rule is

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constants integrate to

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x times the constant

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ok

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does that make sense

buoyant pine
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yeah

grim rampart
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ok so knowing that

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integrate:

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do not overcomplicate this

buoyant pine
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  • 7a^4/4
grim rampart
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nope

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remember its not a we are integrating

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its 'x'

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yeah

buoyant pine
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so

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7^1*a^3/1

grim rampart
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a is a consatnt

buoyant pine
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so

grim rampart
buoyant pine
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i dont really understand that statement

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c integrates

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to x tmes the constant

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so x is 1

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so x c c

grim rampart
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no

buoyant pine
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x x c

fossil pier
grim rampart
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theyre not being equated

fossil pier
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Times it by x

grim rampart
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you are integrating to it

buoyant pine
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cuz if x = 1

grim rampart
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integrate 9

buoyant pine
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9x

grim rampart
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integrate 100

buoyant pine
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100x

grim rampart
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integrate c

buoyant pine
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cx

grim rampart
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integrate -7a^3 / 3

fossil pier
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-∞d⁴ integrated is -∞d⁴x

grim rampart
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do the exact same thing

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you did with the other 3

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to this

buoyant pine
grim rampart
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its (-7a^3 / 3) x

buoyant pine
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gimme a diff example

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ill do it

grim rampart
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integrate b

buoyant pine
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bx

grim rampart
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integrate a

buoyant pine
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no like w the minuses

grim rampart
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integrate -a

buoyant pine
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the big numbers scare me its hard to work around

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-ax

grim rampart
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integrate -7a

buoyant pine
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-7ax

grim rampart
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integrate -7a^3

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you are thinking too much

buoyant pine
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-7a^4/4 + c

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x c?

grim rampart
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nope

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what did you do for literally every other integral you did in the past minute

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do that again

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you should be able to do this with no thinking

buoyant pine
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-7a^31/31

grim rampart
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nope

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integrate a

buoyant pine
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wait

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-21^4/4

grim rampart
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the fact you are thinking means youre doing too much

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no

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integrate a

buoyant pine
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ax

grim rampart
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how did you do that

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what did you do

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to get that

buoyant pine
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a times x

grim rampart
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nice

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integrate -a

buoyant pine
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-ax

grim rampart
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nice how did you do that

buoyant pine
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-a timesx

grim rampart
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ok integrate -7a

buoyant pine
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-7^1*a/1

grim rampart
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nope

buoyant pine
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wait so

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-7 = x

grim rampart
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nope

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x is a variable you cant control

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-7a integrates to -7ax

buoyant pine
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-7a times by x

grim rampart
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yes

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whats been the pattern for all of these

buoyant pine
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we timesing by x

grim rampart
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ok so

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without thinking at all

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integrate -7a^3

buoyant pine
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-7a^3x

grim rampart
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perfect

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you do the funny business about

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adding 1 to the power and dividing by the new powe

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when x is already in the equation

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x is not in -7a^3

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so its just -7a^3 x

buoyant pine
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so are x and c different

grim rampart
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x is a variable

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c is a constant

buoyant pine
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i see

grim rampart
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x can be anything and vary, c can be anything but is fixed to what it is

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ok lastly

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integrate -7a^3 /3

buoyant pine
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-7a^3/3x

grim rampart
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awesome

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note that x isnt in the denominator

buoyant pine
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is that it

fossil pier
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I came

grim rampart
buoyant pine
grim rampart
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yeah thats it

buoyant pine
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its outside

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because its not in the dividing thing

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its just the variabler

grim rampart
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see what i mean about you thinking too much

buoyant pine
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sorry..

grim rampart
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it looks gross

fossil pier
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Examples because I got bored

grim rampart
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but its 0 thinking

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its nw

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can you like fuck off

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i dont care

covert moat
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mister monster is literally the goat man

grim rampart
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thanks

fossil pier
grim rampart
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anyway so

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bro you got your dick and balls out in this chat while im trying to help

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ok so integrating the whole thing

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you just mash them together with adding / subtracting

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ok

buoyant pine
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ill try but mashing together is that like expandintion

fossil pier
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Dick and balls reveal!?

grim rampart
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ill show you an easier example first

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so eg

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can you quickly integrate x^2 and 9 for me

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seperately

buoyant pine
grim rampart
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ah i see ive over simplified

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so 9x is right

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you need to do the

buoyant pine
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oh wait

grim rampart
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add 1 to the power, divide by the new power

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for x^2

buoyant pine
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x^3/3 x

grim rampart
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x^3 / 3 is right

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no x on the end when doing the other thing

buoyant pine
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when doiung the

grim rampart
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when doing the add 1 to the power, divide by the new power

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dont put x on the end

buoyant pine
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add divide thing u dont add the x?

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ohk i didnty know sorry

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so

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x^3/3 and 9x

grim rampart
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when its just a constant like 9 or a or -7a^3 /3

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you just stick x on the end

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yep

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now again

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dont overcomplicate

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what do you think integrating x^2 + 9 will be

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think simple

buoyant pine
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hrrrrr wouldnt it just be x^3/ 3?

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  • 9
grim rampart
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  • 9x
buoyant pine
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and the 9x is. thwe x

grim rampart
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its x^3 / 3 + 9x

buoyant pine
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yeah thats what i was thinking

grim rampart
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its just them integrated seperately

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added together

buoyant pine
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i see

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so for example like

grim rampart
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easy peasy right

buoyant pine
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x^9 +42 is like

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x^10/10 +42x

grim rampart
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perfect

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how about x^2 + 2x

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integrating that

buoyant pine
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but theres already an x

grim rampart
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yep

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so dont just stick x on the end

buoyant pine
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x^3/3 + 2x

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its already

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x'd

grim rampart
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remember the steps when you have x

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its increase the power by 1

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divide by the new power

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yeah

buoyant pine
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i have to do it for 2x as well?

grim rampart
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yeah

buoyant pine
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oh

grim rampart
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if its not a constant, do the steps always

buoyant pine
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so it only is just *(x) when its a single integer like whole but when theres an X its like a seperate integeration whenever he is coming

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with the number

grim rampart
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its *x when there isnt already x there

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so eg 3, c, -7a, pi

buoyant pine
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okkk

grim rampart
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none of them have x

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so its just *x

buoyant pine
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ahhh. thats why it become cx

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okok

grim rampart
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yea

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now 2x

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already has x

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so its not just times x

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its the other one

buoyant pine
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2x^2

grim rampart
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perfect

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so integrate x^2 + 2x

buoyant pine
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x^3/3 + 2x^2/2 ya?

grim rampart
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simplify please

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x^3 / 3 is good

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2x^2 / 2 can be simplified

buoyant pine
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is it just

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x^2

grim rampart
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yep

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ok so

buoyant pine
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i suck at simplifing

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take me ages

grim rampart
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be careful

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and feel free to tell me the steps

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integrate this

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remember only do the rules and stuff to x not to anything else

buoyant pine
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becaude he have x already ax^3/3

grim rampart
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perfect

buoyant pine
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-7a^2*x^1/1 because him already having x

grim rampart
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so yes we already have x

buoyant pine
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last guy he just having 7a^3/3 x

grim rampart
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youve done the power wrong tho

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last one is good

buoyant pine
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because he no habing x

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hrm

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let me see

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-7a^2x^2/2

grim rampart
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perfect

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so all together?

buoyant pine
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okk lets go!

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its am

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ax^3/3 - -7a^2x^2/2 - 7a^3/3 x

grim rampart
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perfect

buoyant pine
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with the minis signs

grim rampart
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ive written like this because i find it easier to read

buoyant pine
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yaa

grim rampart
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ok cool

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integration part done

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reposting question

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so this bit

buoyant pine
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who is him ?

grim rampart
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if you ignore the a^2 and a

buoyant pine
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f

grim rampart
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means 'integrate the thing you just integrated'

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look up 1 line

buoyant pine
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ys

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so erm

grim rampart
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now the a^2 and a

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are whats called

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limits of integration

buoyant pine
buoyant pine
grim rampart
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we will do an example first beacuse its easier with example

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not max and min as such

buoyant pine
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okok

grim rampart
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i will show

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is fancy talk for

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'integrate x^2'

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the d'x' tells you

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'do the integrating to the letter x'

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(not any other letter)

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and the big S thing means integrate

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ok?

buoyant pine
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cry

grim rampart
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so we can say

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right

buoyant pine
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yaaa

grim rampart
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its just writing down what weve just done

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in the fancy symbols

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ok

buoyant pine
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because we only integrating x not dx because we not know him and we no no f

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jus the x

grim rampart
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ignore the question for now

buoyant pine
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ok

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ohk

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so this one doesnt affect it

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the symbols is it

grim rampart
buoyant pine
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f means integrate

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dx is the integrate the letter x

buoyant pine
grim rampart
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solve that

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yep

buoyant pine
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10x^5/5

grim rampart
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simplify

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always simplify

buoyant pine
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2x^5

grim rampart
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nice

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awesome

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now im gonna add in the limits

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so eg itll look like

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see how ive got the

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3 and 1 now

buoyant pine
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yaa

grim rampart
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so this says

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after doing the integrating as normal

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plug in the 3 and the 1 seperately for x

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and do first - second

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ill show

buoyant pine
grim rampart
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so after the =

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ive just written what you got the integral as

buoyant pine
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i get it

grim rampart
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and then under

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ive replaced x with 3 and 1

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and done a subtraction

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ok

buoyant pine
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so x him is go now we put inside the number subtitute

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den is a top limit - bottom limit

grim rampart
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exactly

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here is full working

buoyant pine
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i see, that makes sense

grim rampart
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solve this

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or rather evaluate this

buoyant pine
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= 3x^3/3 - x^3

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so

grim rampart
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then what

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after x^3

buoyant pine
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(3(4)^3)-(3(2)^3) = 192 - 24 = 168

grim rampart
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nope so

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you integrated to just x^3

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not 3x^3

buoyant pine
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((4)^3) - ((2)^3) =

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64 - 8

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  • 56
grim rampart
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nice

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last example

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evaluate this

buoyant pine
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x^4/4

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so

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((4)^4/4) - ((1)^4/4) = 3

grim rampart
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doesnt = 3

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but what you wrote in brackets is correct

buoyant pine
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4 minus

grim rampart
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nope

buoyant pine
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it comes as 4-1 for me

grim rampart
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youre typing it in wrong then

buoyant pine
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oh i wrote

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to the power of 4/4

grim rampart
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yeah thats not right

buoyant pine
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i meant to put in my calculator

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over 4

grim rampart
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yeah i know

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anyway

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i think you have grasped the idea

buoyant pine
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lets try the real q?

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or is there something else i need

grim rampart
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now im gonna remind you

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that the q uses letters

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but DONT change your method

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works exactly the same

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youve already done the integrating

buoyant pine
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now what

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jus

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input

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into

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the bounds

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limits

grim rampart
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yep

buoyant pine
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ax^3/3 - -7a^2x^2/2 - 7a^3/3 x (edited)

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so do i do it for all / each of them them redo it for the minimum one too

grim rampart
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yeah

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so ive done it over 2 lines

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because its so long

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but its one big subtraction

buoyant pine
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1

grim rampart
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ok

buoyant pine
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now is it expandig

grim rampart
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yep

buoyant pine
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cuz i got to line 2

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how u did

grim rampart
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i really hope you know your index laws

buoyant pine
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erm

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i know 2

grim rampart
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which 2

buoyant pine
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the a^(m) x a^(n) = a(m+n)

grim rampart
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yep

buoyant pine
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and the

grim rampart
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is the other one the dividing one

buoyant pine
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addition one

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nah idk the others

grim rampart
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whats the addition one

buoyant pine
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same base can be added or sum

grim rampart
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ok so theres another useful one

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that im just gonna tell you

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(a^m)^n = a^(m times n)

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im ngl this question looks aids

buoyant pine
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who is that]

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for letter a?

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yeah foil isnt working here

grim rampart
buoyant pine
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i got like some crazg number like 5400x^8/24

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yh i got this

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but

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when i added the together

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i got like

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5400

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lol

grim rampart
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you cant add them with different powers

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that is how it is simplified

buoyant pine
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then what is onwaards from here

grim rampart
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well mostly simplified

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first of all the last 3 terms are all

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a^4 stuff

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so you can combine them into

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this

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and then the question states that

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this is = 0

buoyant pine
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so like the final answer is 0???

grim rampart
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nope

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means you have this equation

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so you just solve that

buoyant pine
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what is it solved down to?

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i dont understand this from here onwards

grim rampart
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i think you should

buoyant pine
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can u add colours pls cuz it helps alot

grim rampart
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revise and work on the rest of the spec

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this question is too hard for you based on your current understanding

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theres not really any point in finishing the question from here

buoyant pine
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i will reviseit but

grim rampart
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you should do practice problems and stuff to get better

buoyant pine
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can u help me just complete that last aprt

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like to find out a

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i ended up getting -3/2 lol

grim rampart
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how did you get -3/2

buoyant pine
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i dont even know tbh im just yapping at the end here

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idk how to do it

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das why i need some help on the last bit

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jus to find out a

grim rampart
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do you know factor theorem

buoyant pine
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nope

grim rampart
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do you know algebraic long division

buoyant pine
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nope

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i learnt gcses mysel

grim rampart
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ok so no point

buoyant pine
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and a levels myself too rn

grim rampart
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find videos and practice questions on

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factor theorem and algebraic long division

buoyant pine
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can u not provide help w just this last part pls

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i rlly rlly need it

grim rampart
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ill send you working in a sec

buoyant pine
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my submission is tomorrow

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i dont want to let my professor down

grim rampart
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but i already know you wont be able to follow it

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your prof will be let down more by you having workings that you dont understand

buoyant pine
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i will revise it but

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i just need the guildelines to get there

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i will revise it to be able to understand ur working

grim rampart
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this question is not guidelines

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this quesiton is as complicated as it can be

buoyant pine
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also tysm for helping me

grim rampart
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this is a terrible question to use as revision

buoyant pine
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s o like

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-3/2

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and then -1/5

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-1.5

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i think

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idk

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im crying lol this is so difficult

grim rampart
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THATS WHAT IM SAYING

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this is why this is a bad question to revise from

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and why having the solution means jack shit

buoyant pine
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i did like

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this

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lemme ss

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lmk if im right

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There’s more work in on other page but that’s what you helped me with.

grim rampart
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done

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thats just the end of the question

buoyant pine
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thats my solution?

grim rampart
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just submit taht yeah

buoyant pine
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yaaaaaaaaaayyyy

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i finally get itttt

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thanks soooo much!!!!

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u spent like 1hr just helping me

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tysmm

grim rampart
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nws

buoyant pine
grim rampart
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i have no idea when im free

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i would very strongly suggest revising easier questions

buoyant pine
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yeah but unfortunelty like because i have to do a llevel maths in a single year as well as fm

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like

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i struggle

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but