#Year 12 Binomials

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ember kraken
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hi so idk where i'm going wrong here

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markscheme

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how is the coefficient of x^5 = -45/16

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i thought it was -9/16

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cuz that's what i got

dusk bane
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ok so

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you found the x^5 term of the

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(3 - 1/2 x)^6 thing

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right

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thats what you just worked out

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@ember kraken

ember kraken
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yeah

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and i got -9/16

dusk bane
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but you want the x^5 term of the whole thing

ember kraken
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huh

dusk bane
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(5 + 8x^2)(3 - 1/2 x)^6

ember kraken
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yeah

dusk bane
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you want the x^5 term of that

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so after you do stuff with the expanding on the ^6 bit

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you need to times it by (5 + 8x^2)

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right?

ember kraken
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yeah

dusk bane
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which will change it

ember kraken
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oh i thought we also had to find the x^2 coefficient sub it into 8x^2

dusk bane
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nop

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ill give an example so like

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so you said that the x^2 term is

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-1215/4 x^2

ember kraken
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something like this?

dusk bane
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yeah so

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we have -9/16 x^5

ember kraken
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but what do i do with the x^2

dusk bane
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so after timesing by (5 + 8x^2)

ember kraken
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what abt x^2 cuz we need to get rid of that dont we

dusk bane
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-9/16 x^5 (5 + 8x^2) will be

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-9/16 * 5 * x^5 - 9/16 * 8 * x^2 * x^5

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do you see how i expanded that

ember kraken
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no what

dusk bane
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the -9/16 x^5 term from your (3 - 1/2 x)^6 gets -9/16 x^5

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and then after you times that by (5 + 8x^2)

ember kraken
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i have no clue what u just did after that

dusk bane
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lemme draw

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expanding brackets

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yeah?

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@ember kraken

ember kraken
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yeah i get u now

dusk bane
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so do you see that

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the red term will stay as x^5

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all good

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but the green term has x^5 times x^2 in it

ember kraken
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yeah so is that gonna be x^7

dusk bane
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exactly

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so the red one is the only one that matters

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BUT

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theres another term we care about

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so for every power of x you multiply with this bracket

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the red term will keep it the same

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the green term will basically

ember kraken
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what

dusk bane
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add 2 to the power

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right?

ember kraken
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so do we ignore the green

dusk bane
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well no because

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theres a power of x where

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the green one turns into a x^5

ember kraken
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where

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when

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so what do i do

dusk bane
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well have a think

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the green term is times by 8x^2

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aka adding 2 to the power of x

ember kraken
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i dont know

dusk bane
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and you wanna end up with x^5

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so what do you times it by

ember kraken
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-2

dusk bane
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what power of x would multiply with x^2 to give x^5

ember kraken
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oh

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3

dusk bane
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mmmm

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so if you multiplied this by the x^3 term

ember kraken
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i thought u meant to go from x^7 to x^5

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huh

dusk bane
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the green one would be x^5 now right?

ember kraken
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i swear it would be 3??

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yes..?

dusk bane
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yeah x^3 times x^2 is x^5

ember kraken
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yeah

dusk bane
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so if you take an x^3 term

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and times it by (5 + 8x^2)

ember kraken
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wheres this x^3 and x^2 stuff all coming from ๐Ÿ˜ญ

dusk bane
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the 8x^2 times it gives you x^5

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x^2 is from 8x^2

ember kraken
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why so many things to do for 5 marks

dusk bane
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lets quickly just recap

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cuz i think we are a bit lostr

ember kraken
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girl i am lost ๐Ÿ˜ญ

dusk bane
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so you have already found the x^5 term from (3 - 1/2 x)^6 right

ember kraken
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only bit i know is the expanding of -9/16 (5+8x^2)

dusk bane
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its -9/16 x^5

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and when we multiplied this by (5 + 8x^2)

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we found that the times by 5

ember kraken
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yeah that

dusk bane
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keeps it as an x^5 thing right

ember kraken
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whoops

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yeah

dusk bane
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awesome

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but you also said

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if you multiplied this (5 + 8x^2) thing by an x^3

ember kraken
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ik that green thing

dusk bane
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then the 8x^2 times the x^3 would give you another x^5

ember kraken
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idk what to after the green thing and why

dusk bane
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right?

ember kraken
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yeah

dusk bane
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but the (3 - 1/2 x)^6

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will have an x^3 term in it

ember kraken
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yeah

dusk bane
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so thatll be the thing you times by the 8x^2

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to give you an x^5

ember kraken
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why

dusk bane
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because x^3 times x^2 is x^5

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x^3 is in the x^3 term of (3 - 1/2 x)^6 because its just what it is

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x^2 is in 8x^2

ember kraken
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yeah so what do i do

dusk bane
ember kraken
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how come we're ignoring the x^7 bit

dusk bane
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read and infer

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because we only want the x^5 term

ember kraken
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is there any other way of working around it because im still not understanding it

dusk bane
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x^7 isnt what we are after

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im gonna find the first few terms of this thing hold on

ember kraken
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im still not getting it

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i still do not understand any of it

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like

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nothings going in

dusk bane
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actually what im gonna do is

ember kraken
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and i fumbled my maths mock and i need to reteach myself AS level maths again for my resit in september

dusk bane
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lets pretend that

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instead of (3 - 1/2 x)^6 because its gross

ember kraken
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and i need to teach myself A2 aswell cuz ik we're not gonna have enough time to fully complete A2

dusk bane
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im just gonna use (1 + x)^6

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so the numbers are nicer

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idea will be the same tho

ember kraken
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but i've already got the terms from (3-0.5x)^6

dusk bane
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yeah but not all simplified

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which is the issue

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so im gonna do a slightly different but basically the same question

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which is

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find the x^5 term for (5 + 8x^2)(1+x)^6

ember kraken
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do i basically do the term for x^2 multiplied by x^3

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for the green bit

dusk bane
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well the x^3 has stuff with it

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which you need to find

ember kraken
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what stuff

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oh my god ๐Ÿ˜ญ

dusk bane
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that is why im doing this adapted simpler one

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so i dont have to deal with the shitty coefficients

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so

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x^5 term in (5 + 8x^2)(1 + x)^6

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and im just gonna give you for free that

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(1 + x)^6 is:

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x^6 + 6x^5 + 15x^4 + 20x^3 + 15x^2 + 6x + 1

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ok?

ember kraken
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what

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yeah

dusk bane
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im giving you that for free

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its just binomial

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to save time working it out

ember kraken
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so 6x^5(5+8x^2)

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?

dusk bane
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well so thats part of it

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what happens if you do that

ember kraken
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thats 30x^5 + 48x^7

dusk bane
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ok nice

ember kraken
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thats what we get

dusk bane
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now im gonna pick a different term

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like eg the 15x^4 bit

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15 x^4 (5 + 8x^2)

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thats gonna be what like

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75x^4 + 120 x^6

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smth like that

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notice how theres the first bit

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which is the same power as the thing you timesed by originally

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like for yours it was an x^5

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mine its an x^4

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yeap?

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cuz times by 5 doesnt change the power of x

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@ember kraken

ember kraken
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hang on let me read this

dusk bane
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yep calm

ember kraken
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yeah

dusk bane
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the term after it the power is increased by 2, for yours its the x^7 and for mine its the x^6

ember kraken
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yeah

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i get that bit

dusk bane
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so i will say that

dusk bane
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where the second thing after multiplying by (5 + 8x^2)

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is an x^5

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which one

ember kraken
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x^3

dusk bane
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yeah its the 20x^3

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if you do 20x^3 (5 + 8x^2) youll get

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100x^3 + 160x^5

ember kraken
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yeah

dusk bane
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so in our whole expansion

dusk bane
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with the 6x^5 thing

dusk bane
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using the 20x^3 term

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does that make sense?

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so all together we will have 160x^5 AND 30x^5

ember kraken
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what

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im confused now

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like

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really confused

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like we're back to square 1 confused

dusk bane
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so you said that

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if you multiplied that whole

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x^6 + 6x^5 + 15x^4 + 20x^3 + 15x^2 + 6x + 1 mess

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by the (5 + 8x^2)

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if you use the 6x^5 term youll get a 30x^5

ember kraken
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did i say that wtf

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thats a bit goofy

dusk bane
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because 6x^5 (5 + 8x^2 ) is 30x^5 + 48x^7

ember kraken
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yeah

dusk bane
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theres the 30x^5 in there

ember kraken
dusk bane
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well the x^7 isnt important

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because we are only after the x^5 thing

ember kraken
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so why cant we just ignore it

dusk bane
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the 48x^7 is stuff we get from multiplying out the bracket

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well i am ignoring it

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but im explaining where the 30x^5 comes from

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it comes from expanding that

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and then we throw away the 48x^7 because its not important

ember kraken
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yeah so from the exam question cant we just ignore -9/2x^7

dusk bane
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yeah

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anyway

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but we also said that

ember kraken
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so we can just ignore that

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how come we went on a ramble about it then ๐Ÿ˜ญ

dusk bane
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if you times the (5 + 8x^2) by the 20x^3 term

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the ramble was about how to find the 30x^5

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but if i just said 6x^5 (5 + 8x^2) gives 30x^5 youd have got confused again

ember kraken
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doesnt it just come from 6x^5 * 5

dusk bane
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yeah

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which you have beacuse

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you are multiplying by (5 + 8x^2)

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anyway

ember kraken
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yeah but

dusk bane
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we also said that if you use the 20x^3

ember kraken
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isnt it -9/16 and not 6

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for the coefficient of x^5

dusk bane
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yeah but youll see

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cuz you havent actually worked out the term for this next bit in your question

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and im too lazy to find it myself

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so i used a different bracket

ember kraken
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whats a term for the next bit

dusk bane
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this is what im trying to explain

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as i said

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we also said if we multiply the (5 + 8x^2) by the 20x^3 term

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you get 100x^3 + 160x^5

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as you can see

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another x^5 term right

ember kraken
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yeah but

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why

dusk bane
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because x^3 times x^2 is x^5

ember kraken
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how come we cant just ignore the -9/2x^7

dusk bane
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we can

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which is what i said

ember kraken
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u said we could ignore the other term

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but how come we're not in this example

dusk bane
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cuz im explaining where everything comes from

ember kraken
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i know but

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icl i would've just ignored it

dusk bane
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if i just said we get 160x^5 from the x^3 term and 30x^5 from the x^5 term

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youd have no idea what the fuck i mean

ember kraken
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if this came up on my mock i would've ignored the x^7 bit

dusk bane
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are you happy with that

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with the 20x^3 term

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we get 160x^5

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and with the 6x^5 term we get 30x^5

ember kraken
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no

dusk bane
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why not

ember kraken
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im sorry but where did 20 and 160 bits come from

dusk bane
ember kraken
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are we using the (3-0/5x)^6 terms

dusk bane
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no

ember kraken
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but thats from the example though

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thats from a different example

dusk bane
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yeah but you havent done the working for the bit im trying to explain

ember kraken
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im so confused

dusk bane
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we are currently doing the question

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find the x^5 term from (5 + 8x^2)(1+x)^6

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im giving the freebie that

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(1+x)^6 is

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x^6 + 6x^5 + 15x^4 + 20x^3 + 15x^2 + 6x + 1

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cool?

ember kraken
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6x^5

dusk bane
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yep so

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6x^5 times the (5 + 8x^2)

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gives you 30x^5

ember kraken
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30x^5 and

dusk bane
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and a thing we dont care about

ember kraken
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48x^7

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yeah

dusk bane
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ok

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but youll see that

ember kraken
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so we completely discard 48x^7?

dusk bane
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yep

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now try do the same expansion with 20x^3

ember kraken
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and we also discard the -9/2x^7 in the question?

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why

dusk bane
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youll see

ember kraken
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why do we expand

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wheres 20x^3 come from

dusk bane
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from the middle of x^6 + 6x^5 + 15x^4 + 20x^3 + 15x^2 + 6x + 1

ember kraken
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160x^5

dusk bane
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mmm

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another x^5 term right

ember kraken
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vut why do we multiply 20x^3

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teag

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yeah

dusk bane
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because the x^2 from the 8x^2 with the x^3 from the 20x^3

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gives you an x^5

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and the question wants us to find x^5 terms

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right?

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we use 20x^3 because it gives us an x^5 term which we want

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all the other terms dont give us x^5

ember kraken
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yeah i get that bit now

dusk bane
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ok so

ember kraken
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what do i do now

dusk bane
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in total we will have 30x^5 from the 6x^5

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and 160x^5 from the 20x^3

ember kraken
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i've never seen a question like this before and this question is on a past paper

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yeah

dusk bane
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so combined

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how many x^5

ember kraken
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3

dusk bane
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nope

ember kraken
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PH

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4

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my bad

dusk bane
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you have 160x^5 and 30x^5

ember kraken
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yeah

dusk bane
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so together its

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190x^5

ember kraken
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and we have 30x^5 and 6x^5

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no wait

dusk bane
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nah cuz the 6x^5 is from before exapdning

ember kraken
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6x^5 and 20x^5

dusk bane
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we want after expanding

ember kraken
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oh

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si uts hyst 2

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so its just 2

dusk bane
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yeah

ember kraken
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so the answers 2?

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got it

dusk bane
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but they give you 190x^5

ember kraken
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what

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oh

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we add now?

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so 190x^5

dusk bane
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yeah youd add all the terms

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ok so

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did that kinda make sense

ember kraken
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nope but

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nope im just doing what ur doing

dusk bane
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cuz your question is the exact same with worse numbers

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fair enough we will just do your question anyway

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so (5 + 8x^2)(3 - 1/2 x)^6

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find the x^5 term

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right

ember kraken
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yeah

dusk bane
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ok so you did part of it

ember kraken
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-45/16 x^5 - 9/2x^7

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what do i do from there

dusk bane
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thats from the -9/16 x^5 out of the (3 - 1/2 x)^6 right

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so similar to our last question

ember kraken
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yeah

dusk bane
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we will also need the x^3 term from this

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(3 - 1/2 x)^6

ember kraken
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which is -45/2 x^3

dusk bane
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ok so

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multiply that by your (5 + 8x^2)

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what do you find

ember kraken
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-45/2x^3(5+8x^2)

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ummm

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give me like

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5 minutes

dusk bane
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yeah nws

ember kraken
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so 225/2 x^3

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-180 x^5

dusk bane
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im gonna quickly

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so according to online calculator its -135/2 x^3

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but thatll give you

ember kraken
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i got -180

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what

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oh the x^3 term

dusk bane
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as in

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yeah

ember kraken
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hang on let me redo it again

dusk bane
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not -45/2 x^3

ember kraken
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yeah i got it now

dusk bane
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ok cool

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then if you do the (5 + 8x^2) times that

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you get this

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just to save you working

ember kraken
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yeah

dusk bane
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those should be negative actually but yeah

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so you see again

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x^5 term

ember kraken
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wait wait wait

dusk bane
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should be negative cuz its -135/2

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i typed in 135/2 cuz i was lazy

ember kraken
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-135/2 * 5 shouldnt that be -675/2

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then also be - 540

dusk bane
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yeah both should be negative

ember kraken
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then we just combine negative 540 and -45/16

dusk bane
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exactly

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both the x^5 terms

ember kraken
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ohh right

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i get it now

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do u know where i can find questions like this

dusk bane
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errrr ill have a quick search

ember kraken
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cuz the ones in the book only ask for finding the coefficients

dusk bane
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but the idea is you need to

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find which terms give the right power

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when you times by your extra bracket

ember kraken
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huh

ember kraken
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ye i've just printed it off now

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for this type of question

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do u only need to know what method to carry out

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and not the why bits

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i got an E in my AS-level maths mock

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could've been a D instead

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idk how i fumbled it so badly though

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cuz my tests throughout the year was fine

dusk bane
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cant find many others

ember kraken
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i was getting decent passes

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i just printed some off pmt too

dusk bane
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well i mean

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if you dont know the why and you forget

ember kraken
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do u reckon i can get a B in the end

dusk bane
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you are completely fucked

ember kraken
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oh

dusk bane
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yeah i reckon you can get a B

ember kraken
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cuz i need a B

dusk bane
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just practice

ember kraken
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idk how the logic works though

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i got an A in my physics mock

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and an E in my maths

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idk how that works or correlates

dusk bane
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idk either

jade root
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All this for a binomial question rip

ember kraken
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girl idk either

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im trying rn to make sure i understand everything in AS

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then ill do past paper at home

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then ill see if im capable of moving onto A2

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and i need to go over stats and mechanics too

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cuz i got 15/60 on that

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28/100 on pure

jovial cove
zinc geyser
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@ember kraken see if this helps