#My CPU is really slow, as in it's not preforming at it's max
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probably 4gb of ddr3/4 and an iGPU
whatβs your cpu temp
msi gf63 thin
50
C
it's usually at like 80 when it preforms better
while gaming itβs 80?
i mean yeah
i was playing today and it didnt go above 60
but it preforms way worse than usual
80c when gaming is normal
these laptops were designed to hit like 100c and be fine
also
I don't know if this matters but I opened up the laptop and there was some like white powder on the cooling things and around the main fan
you mean dust?
coke
Lmao
it wasnt randomly dispersed around the cooling thing
it was like a line
it sounds dumb af
without seeing pictures, cant know for sure what it was
i dont think it matters tbh
roblox is probably the reason
you probably have some background service or program running that is using up a ton of cpu
it's not even roblox becuase I ran up like CSGO and my cpu went up to 100%
the percentages don't even add up to 100% π
it wont show everything using cpu
yeah
system idle process is suppose to be the highest
bruh...
it went up then down
discord aint suppose to be using 40%
even so
doesnt the discord app have gpu hardware acceleration ?
in settings?
yeah. i dont use it because it was messing with my logins
I'll try it ig
also the cpu in your laptop isnt that great
i think it might be only a dual core with 4 threads
lmao Ik
this laptop is like 3 years old
it's i5
the older i5 were 2/4
seems more like a software issue
wdym
well there isnt much you can do but uninstall everything that runs when the laptop starts up or that you have running in the background
or turn off those things
alright
obviously 100% cpu is not suppose to happen but there isnt much i can do to help without seeing everything running that is using all that cpu when it happens
when it goes to 100% what are you running?
games? discord?
anything else but the usual stuff?
games, screen sharing on discord, and watching screen shares makes my cpu go up
and watching a youtube video in the background
even listening to spotify sometimes
this is how it looks before I open something
might just be a problem with running low on ram
this is after
if a game isnt using the gtx 1650 built in with the dedicated vram, it may be using the intel igpu instead and sharing system ram for vram
i know roblox runs off of my cpu but it was working fine two days ago
well look at all the things running and add them up
everything from robolx down to opera gx are using 80% or so
you should try running discord in the browser and see if it reduces cpu usage
you might have to uninstall discord app to do that if it forces it to open when you log in
run hwinfo64 and see if the gpu is even being utilized
by discord?
or in general
you dont need to do that. the task manager will show igpu and gtx 1650
yes but not properly show gpu utilizatioj
it does
I ran it through my browser and it's running smoother but now it says my browser it taking up 50% bruh
what do you mean not properly?
you dont ened to track it you only need to see that it;s using it
if the gtx 1650 gets used at all it means something is using hardware acceleration on it
if it has 0% usage when roblox is running then it tells you the game is using igpu
hwinfo still useful to have 
sure but it's not needed in this case
sure is
i only know this because i had my mining rig running with my displayout on the igpu of my 4770
also allowed me to see what gpu was being used when trying to swap between my 6800xt and 3070
ok so then roblox is using the 1650 and discord is probably using the igpu
so maybe if you can swap discord to the gtx 1650 it might work better but i have no idea if you can do that
the igpu was like <5% before I opened roblox
oh?
thats how windows works
lol wtf?
roblox uses cpu only
yeah
dunno
let me do that
what do you use dragon center for?
ik but i has other settings for optimizing could be messing with it
ok so it looks to me like your gtx 1650 isnt being used at all
this is what it's set to
that looks like it's just for cooling
open the windows settings and go to display settings
in display settings click graphics settings
at the bottom you can set a specific game to run using the igpu or the gtx 1650
at least i believe that is how it works
yeah you want that too
what does it say is used for roblox there?
1650
ok so did you set that or did it set it already?
it was like that when I checked it
give me one moment to reset my PC for the GPU
I'm on my phone right now but whenever I reset or shut down my laptop there's always this one app that stops it from doing so
It has no name
alright
So I ran up counter strike and both gpus are being used at around 15%
The game is running smoother though
might be running smoother from the reboot
Roblox is still having cpu issues
Meh
I'll probably get a new pc soon so it's not all that serious
i gotta take off in a bit anyway
you have the gpu driver installed right?
Im pretty sure I do
Yo
I'm working rn and can't really spend time checking the entire convo...but has anyone actually made sure the darn thing is plugged in?
then gpu???
the*
Otherwise CPU isn't going to be hitting boost states...and ofc it's gonna be used up 100% of the time
The laptop
Is it normally plugged in an set to high performance mode..
yeah
It's already pretty normal to see high CPU util..the chip doesn't have many cores
If it's using a low power state and not boosting high 90-100% util is normal there's probably a ton of background stuff and bloatware running as well
whats bloatware
And yeah...if the game's aren't even using the GPU that's gonna skyrocket util as well..
Bloatware is generally just software that doesn't do much for you and takes system resources somehow.
It's generally pre-installed on laptops or prebuilt computers
Go ahead and ask, I'm not gonna be free for super long
What you can try to do - type in "graphics settings" in windows search bar - come here this actually reminded me to try VRR
Select specific programs like csgo/roblox and then select high performance/GTX 1650maxq
Yeah I did that
Component heat is a factor of multiple things - power usage - frequency - cooling
there's no way the fan is cooling it down to 50 so that's out of the picture but I don't know
So if the chip is actively consuming more power - it will be hotter. Modern chips generally have pretty good power saving behavior so when they are not in use they limit power consumption
When not in heavy use 50c is a normal temp for laptop
when in use it's 50
which is weird becuase It would usually be like 70-80
in use
I mean...that's also possible..really depends what's going on and how the device is responding
alright
I can't say without any information...I can tell you a range of things it could be though xD
You already set your programs to use your high performance GFX? And they still are not?
for roblox specificly it runs off of CPU no matter what but for the other ones they seem to be running better
Lmao...it might literally think roblox isn't heavy enough 3d load
lmao
I can try to look into ways to force that π€ I'm sure there are
idk if this contributes but since the low cpu usage roblox has been giving really bad input delay
when my ping would be <100
Could you take a SS of task manager after you've been playing roblox?
sure
Just to make sure the load we're seeing on the graphs is right after the 3d
would u like to see the performance tab?
i just genuinely think my CPU and PC are outdated as heck
Could you scroll to the right on the performance tab?
Here you can see the GPU engine being used to render
It is fairly outdated, but no reason your machine shouldn't be able to run csgo and roblox fam :)
Genuinely with some config changes and software updates it will be fine
Tbh it's not even "Outdated"
It's just a bit lower spec tbh.
So we want all the important games and stuff to be using GPU 1 and your browsers/not so important stuff to be using GPU 0
i've been using since like 2019 for like atleast 50 hours a week since then
GPU 1 = Discrete 1650 GPU 0 = integrated
?
Gonna need to be more specific on what you're confused on. I'm gonna start making lunch
what do you mean by "GPU 1 = Discrete 1650 GPU 0 = integrated"
For your system "GPU 0" refers to integrated, and "GPU 1" is the high performance option
alrighty
It varies by system, people without integrated will just have "GPU 0"
Sure
I'm probably going to get a new PC this year, is there a way to transfer my files or pretty much everything I've had downloaded on my laptop to the PC?
Yes, there are a couple ways of going about doing that
That's a bit more complex :/ there are software methods...cloud storage methods...p sure you could even do some sort of network discovery thing
oh
And just have your laptop accessible on network..? And transfer files over?
i guess that works lmao
Might need to ask someone else about it or we can go over it later*
It's really about cost/what works the best for you...an external drive could work too and you could use it in the future e.t.c
mhm
When you have more time i wanna talk about where to start to get a new pc because I'm lost
That's a bit easier, but again depends on what works for you - could get a decent prebuilt at a good sale time and be "done" with it or can try to make a custom build and get assistance putting it together
I've preferred building my systems for a few years now and I don't see myself going back
I'd want to pick out parts but have someone do the building part
Also depends whether you want a desktop or need a laptop...but if we're just going for performance definitely get a desktop
That is most likely going to cost you for labor, unless you know someone closeby willing to do it
I've helped multiple first time builders do their first build on disc tbh.
Yeah I don't need a laptop, I only got one because back in 2019 I had a very small dorm room and there was no space for a desktop
oh alright
I have a local microcenter
do you know if they charge for
uh
building
I've heard they do build PCs but I'm not sure if that's just in general or for components bought from MC
I assume they do charge
alright
$79 comes to mind but that may be wildly inaccurate, best to look it up
Having a local microcenter is a blessing btw.
it's like 20 min away thank god
Lmaoooo
I think my closest one is like 3hrs away?
We...had a circuit city...back when those were a thing
I walk in and I swear the week before they had 30 series cards displayed now they have 40 series π
jeez
I haven't gone to a circuit city in 10 years lmao
@broken rose @signal mauve @glass stream sorry to ping, when anyone has a moment could we look into this further?
when you're free do you mind helping me pick out some parts
I'm only really confused on like motherboard compatibility
Give your budget - games you play - resolution you want - and anything else...like games you plan to play...any productivity tools e.t.c
Motherboard compatibility depends on the family/architecture of CPUs you're looking for
Like, Ryzen 7000 is only supported on AM5 motherboards
around 1200 USD to like 1600
also if it's a simple answer whats the pros and cons between ryzeen and intel cpus
Tbh it's not so simple generally, they both offer pros and cons. Really it's down to use-case and what you want from your system.
Especially with you having a MC so close, you could have either of their newest products for fairly cheap I imagine.
mhm
for lets say, roblox π what would show better performance for around the same price point
Sorry, tbh, with this sort of load it's almost impossible to tell the difference
In other words - both products would offer comparable performance
This is the sorta difference we're talking about
Even in AAA games the differences are usually within 5-10% or so
do you know the intel graphics control panel?
Very little, I haven't seen that panel in about as long as it's been since I've seen a circuit city.
LMAO
But what about it? 
does ryzen have a equivalent
Yes
which is more "user friendly"
It's known as "Ryzen Master" if you want to look into it
im confusing my self at this point
No worries
oh alr
ty
I'm gonna also make lunch
just lmk when you're free to discuss parts π
Ah, this would be more similar to radeon software
But this is specifically for the intel integrated, both AMD and NVIDIA have their own software that does the same/similar
No worries ^^
Do you use amd
I gave them a chance when I had a good feeling and saw good performance. I still don't regret it yet
oh alright
GPU control built in as well
Can stream/record from radeon soft as well, but I don't use it
I've played all the dragon age games, need to finish origins again
So fucking good. Inquisition soundtrack was 10/10
bro fr
I remember one of them actually made me tear up π
There's a game on roblox that uses that song and when I heard it i was nostalgic
af
lmao this convo took a turn
This is why it's better to have threads
I've got a couple minutes until lunch is over
I didn't even really make food tbh, I just ended up getting a drink
lmao
what time do you get out of work
so I can plan my schedule
bc i also gotta work rip
external usb ssd would work fine or if you have a spare ssd or hdd lying around you can get an adapter to use it externally from a computer. although i doubt you have that since you're on a laptop
should I overclock my cpu bc of the underperformance
i fixed my cpu
its so weird
I set my fans to a lower speed
and now the cpu is hotter but proforming better
performing*
i doubt you can overclock it. you usually cant do that on laptops unless it uses a desktop cpu which is rare
through msi dragon center?
mhm
ye knew that software was messing with something
It was only clocking in at ~3ghz
are you free? sorry if bother
Am now for a little
Do you have any use cases besides roblox and csgo?
Yeah, anything helps
And do you plan on staying in 1080p? Moving to 1440p?
is that to do with my monitor resolution?
Yes, it matters greatly
Right now I have a 1920 * 1080
Higher resolutions demand more GPU power, and monitors will cost more generally
Are you free to discuss soon?
In a few hours
kk
Boop
What did ya wanna talk about
Are you keeping your monitor or going to 1440p?
Keeping
When do you plan on getting the PC?
Maybe in 4 or 5 months
Ok, my answer then will be vastly different from now. By then products like 4060 and 7600XTX will be out and older supply will likely have dried up
How much would a 4060 roughly cost
π
Yeah I don't really care too much
about the graphics card
So
I'll try not to go overkill
How much is a
3060?
In 4 months it's going to be different
Right now they're a little over 300 I think, new in the US
Wdym?
Like with a motherboard
If I pick a CPU and if it works with the motherboard, etc...
Intel 12th/13th gen use "LGA 1700" socket
Whether or not the CPU works with a motherboard is dependent on the socket of the CPU/MB and the software running the board
It needs to fit
Uh huh
And if a chip comes out after a board comes out - it needs to be sure to have software to support it.
ah
So. LGA 1700 boards may look like the following for gaming
B760 B790 are raptor lake chipsets optimized for 13th gen iirc. But it supports 12th and 13th
b660 and z690 were made for alder lake but support raptor lake (13th) gen with the proper software
Because both generations of chips fit in the mb
AM4 includes b350 x370 b450 x570 b550 x570 and it supports from Ryzen 1000-ryzen 5000 with various configurations of bios updates e.t.c
AM5 is B650 and X670 and supports Ryzen 7000 only
Your motherboard will decide what RAM you can use DDR4 or DDR5 and your CPU/MB will decide what configuration and speeds of ram are actually supported
ok
I'm a bit lost mb but I think I understand
Just as an example which cpu between these two performs better
The name of a board "X670" will tell you what family it supports and what socket it is
You can look it up and see what CPUs are supported.
Depends on your task lol...
oh
If you need more cores then the chip with more cores has an advantage
Unless the architectural improvements and speed difference can make up for that.
What do cores do
You gotta look this up xD
There are great videos that do deep dives tbh
alr
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Oh alright
Cool
and uh
Do you think that I could have a budget of $700 besides CPU and GPU
without cheaping out
wdym. 700 for everything but the CPU and GPU?
Yep
that was a bad word choice
Rough estimate
Don't worry about that for now lol
How would I run my pc then -_-
free copy, activate later
How do I activate later
Could I still just buy one during the moment
Sure? You can get cheap keys at certain places.
Alright
What is PSU?
Oh
nvm
Power
That reminds me
for the PSU what should it be based on? Like what PSU I would get would depend on what
idk how to explain
Power requirements of the system.
Like the total system
like cpu gpu everything
alright
Is it alright if I send a few screen shots of parts and you let me know if the part is like "cheap" per say for it's price
I should re word that
I don't know pricing on everything really, and none of this really matters if you aren't getting it now
Alright
"Cheap" to me is about something's value
And how much you are paying for how much performance - and that is relative
Ok according to that then
So something that is "cheap" now might not be later compared to what you can get then
i'd just want to know if a price is too high or low for the performance of the part
I can try, but my answers I give now might not be useful/relevant by the time you're building a PC.
As long as they're around the same price it should be fine
im lost im sorry
If the 780ti came out for 400 dollars - it was great then
If it is still selling for 400 dollars today - no one would buy it..
Because it's garbage compared to a 3060ti or 6750XT that you could get right now for 400 dollars
So a 6650XT that you can get right now for 260 dollars might be a pretty good deal...
In a year....it might be awful...because you can get insert card here for the same price...right?
I can give you information that is relevant for today
would prices really change that much in 4 months per say
I can't tell the future...unfortunately
YES lmao
Tech is like that
Especially because mid range parts are coming out soon
You're asking that question after one of the most tumultuous times in hardware history xD
Where cards went from 3000ebay, not like that counts to me dollars to 800 within a year
And to be completely honest, it's not that prices will change that much imo. It's just what you will be able to get for the same(similar) price will change within a few months.
Alright
I'll pick out some parts and I'll let you know what I did
Ah I'll add a paid OS but we can add or remove that whenever
alright this is what i've got so far
damn a ryzen 9 7950x paired with a 3060?
thats a performance bottleneck and a half
overkill cpu for that gpu
by bottleneck i mean overkill
not exactly a bottleneck
and you can get free ram with the ryzen 7000 if you have a microcenter near you
You can save like $300 by getting that ^
also a discount on motherboard with that bundle
spending 134 on windows is crazy
this isnt a professional opinion
but oyu can buy a windows key online for like $10
also, if you get this instead of that 7950x, if you still want to use the extra $300 or whatever you would save, you could possibly upgrade to a 3070 or 3070ti
and have the build stay at about the same cost
alr
i just didnt wanna cheap out on a cpu
considering the one i have right now, i've had a bad experience with them
would this be "better"
you were wayover compensating to the point of throwing money away
you could get a 7700x and be good for at least 2 gpu upgrades before you really need to consider a new cpu and possibly in 4 years you could upgrade to ryzen 9000 if amd has the same long support of the new cpu socket like they did with ryzen 1000 to 5000
Yeah that's pretty much what I picked when I heard it was overkill π
and if anyone is still here is there any where I can spend less on these parts with around the same performance currently?
I've got it down to $1500
Best place normally to spend the least is if you have a micro center near you
Yeah I do
They normally have a lot of combo deals where you can save a lot
I just don't always have time to go there that's why i used the website
if i get a psu thats over the need wattage is that vad
bad*
Not really
But a certain number over can become overkill and a waste of money
Like if your components require 400w recommended to get like a 500w
For wiggle room in case you ever want to overclock etc
Very
Probably
is 600 overkill
alr
Anything more than over 150-200 than you need is overkill
Does atx/sfx make a difference
so a few suggestions if this is what you are looking at. 1. You can post the link in the yellow portion of partpicker and it will be easier than doing screenshots. 2 If you're going with am5 you should be looking at better and faster memory 6000 cl 30 is the sweet spot...also grab a full size ATX board to properly fill out your case, grab a rocket 4.0 it's faster, cheaper and has a better endurance than the 970 evo, grab a newer h5 flow case if you want to go with NZXT (the original h510 is a horrible case) and a 750W PSU will be enough so you're not overspending but leaves you enough room to were you can upgrade and not have to worry about immediately having to buy a new PSU
No..it isn't. To clarify - a bottleneck exists in every single system but more specifically it is one component that's holding the rest of your system/or another component back...In that case the CPU was "overkill" compared to the GPU under the assumption that we're doing something like 4k gaming....OP did not need the CPU for their use case but in no way would it be holding a 3060 back in 1080p......OP doesn't need an extreme GPU to run roblox...Can't be recommending builds without knowing their use case...if they didn't play games and just ran servers that build would be relatively fine.
Im already said..none of this matters if OP isn't buying the system tmr.
Mentions they want it in a few months but proceeds to build like they're getting it tmr.
850w is not overkill π
and it would be...pretty awkward to build the system tmr given the components coming out and price drops.....and microcenter close bh.
For real though..dont recommend someone cheap out on their PSU. 0/10. Under the assumption OP upgrades to something like a 4090 in 3 years...850w is a minimum recommended...may as well account for that.
I learned the hard way..you do not want to be on the edge of your power delivery or your system shits the bed.
Getting a 750w unit might save 20 bucks lol...getting a 500w unit would save like 70 bucks..trying to save money in the wrong place
Microcenter discounts on CPU/MB/RAM will more than make up for the price of a decent PSU....
Damn thanks
And I think this is the right link
Here's the updated one with your suggestions
Part List - AMD Ryzen 7 7700X, GeForce RTX 3060 12GB, NZXT H510 Flow ATX Mid Tower

You saved 20 dollars on a PSU while paying 370 for a 3060
I'll let others handle this lol.
Idk man
Idk what I did wrong lmao
I'm gonna re-iterate, cuz I can't spend forever on this. If you are buying this system "In a few months" then there's no point to focusing on pricing. Pricing will change and new products will be available
And PC partpicker is mostly invalid because you have a local microcenter
If you just wanna have fun looking at builds and picking parts then you need to look up performance and value perspective elsewhere...like...this is supposed to be "tech support"
We can't realistically just keep recommending builds with 0 context....and it would be ridiculous for someone to recommend a 3070ti for someone playing roblox in 1080p...that's about as ridiculous as getting a 7950x in the first place...and it's just showing a fundamental lack of knowledge
You didn't "DO anything wrong" but this is just dumb being here and should be in #design-a-build if that's all we're gonna do. Otherwise if you're going to be buying this in a few months...then you should really wait a few months to worry about specifics and just learn how this works unless you're going to do it again in a few months when you're ready to buy it.
Otherwise this is waste of time and could be done on youtube.
Alr thanks for everything