I an Rank 1 + Rank 2 NA - AMA about climbing, the meta, or anything about OS in general

[wet geyser]

I’ll try to reply to as much as I can 🫡 I play both goalie and forward on both accounts, with the ability to play most characters in the entire roster (My Zentaro sucks)

I an Rank 1 + Rank 2 NA - AMA about climbing, the meta, or anything about OS in general

[terse elbow]

hey there just a quick question, how much OS do you play in a day? and how do you manage to not get bored/tilted from playing

[wet geyser]

I played about 3 hours today (1.5 after lunch, then another 1.5 that I streamed before I got off my pc for the day). I usually average 2-3 hours a day the last week or two, but it was a lot more at the beginning of the month when I was practicing for the pro league invitational. Some days I don’t play at all, some days I play more. It depends also if there’s a tournament that day (tournaments last a LONG time)

I don’t get bored if games are competitive and fun, win or lose. I definitely can tilt. best way for me not to tilt is just complain out loud in the moment, but then try my best to leave whatever happened in the last game behind.

I don’t really get bored because the game has a super enjoyable loop and I love playing in tournaments with my friends

[terse elbow]

i see, thanks for your response

[novel yarrow]

Any advice for demon dais? My friends and I always struggle on that map, and I think it’s in part due to not knowing how to position on it

[floral finch]

What made you pick up OS? Was it a friend recommendation? Did you find it randomly on steam?

Also, any tips for getting out of high plat? Kinda hard stuck there

[gilded phoenix]

1. How did the three of you (Bells and YAL) meet each other?
2. So far you're unbeatable but do you think it's because you have superior skills over the other teams or is it simply trust and communication that you've built? The other teams seem to change the rooster quite often.
3. Any universal advice for goalies? I know it's a broad topic, but maybe there are some rules that you apply no matter what goalie you play.
4. Is Kai slowly shifting down in the pro meta? If so, why?

[tribal wharf]

How did you get so good at dribbling? Did it just come natural from playing the game or did you do any specific kind of practice for it?

When you dribble, do you have to put a lot of focus onto the core, or are you able to just let your hands do the work automatically and have your full attention available for other things?

[wet geyser]

What role? Honestly it’s not being greedy with elusive and staying alive for the most part. Team that dies first loses. Use everything possible to keep the ball on their side, the team that loses their barrier first is at a huge disadvantage, much more than other maps

[wet geyser]

Backstory - I work for an esports program. In February 2022, Odyssey extended a playtest invite to their alpha to collegiate programs. I had been interested in the game before then as a big battlerite fan, so I jumped at the chance. Played ever since.

Tips for climbing is don’t hold on to your coreflip for the ‘perfect moment’. A lot of low Elo players just don’t use it fast enough. Another would be to hit it away from your opponents (crazy, I know). Depends on which role you’re trying to climb on

[wet geyser]

1. Met through playing OS. Bells/YAL met when they were climbing when the started. I met Bells through playing inhouses back in beta. We just duo’d every day together for hours because we had so much fun and actually lost almost all of our games for weeks. It took a long time for us to build synergy.
2. We definitely are beatable - we lost in ospl finals, bells and I lost NASL finals to YAL, and we drop games more often now. I think we’re exceptionally strong at passing and positioning, more so than other teams.
3. I coach goalies on my stream @ twitch.tv/FirelightV. The most common advice I give is identify what their team sucks at (example -> 3 melee characters = no ranged abilities to intercept a pass from you) and then try to play in a way that takes advantage of that
4. Kai is always going to be played goalie but in a damage focus meta Vyce and Aimi will be played more than him to help KO more. And there are zero kai forward players other than me in tournament so you’ll never see him picked there

[faint coral]

I'm a flex player too. Do you queue as flex, or do you pick your role beforehand?

I feel like my queueing flex could make it harder to stay in the correct mindset for the role, but it also helps knowing how each role behaves. Any thoughts?

[wet geyser]

A long time ago in earlier playtests a player called Megaverse would do it as a goalie to stall out a possession. I started doing it in alpha playtests as a midfielder to bait forwards out of position and pass to my teammate. It’s definitely automatic at this point, but I would just do it every game. It’s actually much easier than people think if you’re playing wasd.

[wet geyser]

Depends on how I’m feeling. I queue goalie explicitly if I want to climb (goalie in soloQ at top ranks is easier to climb with if you can play the role well). I queue forward right now because I want to start practicing finii and have her ready for NASL season 2. I queue flex if I just want to find games faster, I really don’t care what role I get for climbing as I’ve hit rank 1 playing both

[drowsy swift]

As a forward main I have 2 questions:

• As a solo queue forward main, is it necessary to learn your characters as both an aggressive forward and a midfielder in order to climb? It felt too inconsistent to climb when I just played midfield and had to hope my teammates played aggressive forwards to have scoring pressure.

• If you try learning another role, is it better to learn a new character that's good at that role or to learn a character you already play at that new role? Assume the character is good at the role you're good at but not the role you're looking to learn (like Era is a good midfielder but not a good goalie or aggressive forward).

[wet geyser]

If you’re playing scoring forward/brawler, your characters create space on their half to score (Zen/ X / Julie / etc). If you keep positioning too far from their goal you grief your team because your character is a lot weaker if you’re not in close proximity to their net.
If you’re midfield, just keep feeding your brawler the rock. You can solo carry the game by playing between midfield line and their net by always pushing the ball back into the net if they clear it. Their goalie will eventually lose a strike war / misplay/ get stunned.

When i learned goalie in beta I just spammed atlas. I had never played atlas before. Just pick a good goalie (I would recommend a melee goalie tbh) to learn the role with. If your goal is just to climb, dubu is the best goalie in the game to do it with

[stiff canyon]

Hey Vaughn! No question in particular, but you frequently play with one of my favorite players, Bells! I just wanted to let you know I appreciate all that you do and for carrying him so hard in every tournament. The great thing about Omega Strikers is that, like a grandmasters game of bullet chess, there is little to no variance. The better player pretty much always comes out on top, and It’s such a pleasure being afforded the opportunity to watch you perform on the field. Regards, Requar.

[wet geyser]

amen, good ol GC Bells

[novel yarrow]

I’m goalie, but I also wanna know where my forwards should be so I can try and help teach them.

[lunar pier]

As a goalie(Asher), how should I be positioning when someone gets knocked out on enemy team (3v2 our favor)?
I feel like I should be moving up the field and doing a lot more in those situations, but also don't want to take the risk of losing possession and a lock for it

[restive raven]

What are Vyce's weaknesses and strengths? What kinds of counterplay are there specifically playing against her? I find when she's paired with Luna they put out a lot of damage and it's easy to run out of evades trying to avoid their AoE. Are there good answers? Ways to just keep the damage down? (I'm still somewhat new to the game and just got into plat)

[wet geyser]

idk how to answer this question really, sorry boss. super vague

[wet geyser]

walk up farther than you probably are. Take the risk to play for the goal, if you have goal gate up it 100% means you can take it

[craggy sluice]

I'm only Platinum at the moment and I can Win most of the matchs but sometimes I play against people that's just focused on killing and I can't really get any pressure cause that. Do u have any hint to play against that?
I'm an Ai-mi player so I don't feel I can trade pressure damage against X, Luna and characters like that.

[novel yarrow]

You good, thanks for the thread though, super nice place to try and learn some things!

[wet geyser]

Strengths = 10 million damage, tons of cc
Weaknesses = usually uses her abilities for damage, and her secondary has a pretty big windup. You can get the ball past her with multihits

If its vyce goalie she doesn't have draining wand so youc an stack stagger trainings. If its vyce forward and luna forward/goalie, their core control stinks so you just have to try to get the ball past them as much as possible

[novel yarrow]

Is there a way to react to core flip, or is it all just a guessing game on when they’ll hit the core?

[rain belfry]

How did you design the SADBOIS emoticon? Also, how do you feel about helping putting COLIN into the game? I remember watching you play w/ lil bro in the Alpharad tourney lol

[wet geyser]

a guy i knew in college did it for me way back in 2019. Playing alpharivals was really fun, i enjoyed getting to know colin + yakko. I don't think we could've won if yakko wasn't the GOAT. We almost didn't make it out of our group because playing against YAL + Nemu's team was REALLY hard. All the others matches + finals were 3-0's and much easier for us. Getting an emote added to the game was the coolest prize I've ever won in an OS competition

[wet geyser]

spam hitboxes/mindgame, not exactly reactable

[novel yarrow]

Ok, that’s good to know, thank you

[unkempt fog]

Hello! What do you look at when you play the game? and does it differ between forward and goalie? I asked goomy and evildrewdanger this question and they both said they mostly look at the core, except for in moments where you get control of the core uncontested when you can widen your view to look out for midfield threats like juno blobs and long ranged abilities. I'm wondering if you agree with this, and I'm curious if this changes when playing forward.

[tropic mason]

2 different things

1. Thoughts on Dubu forward? People always seem surprised when I play him
2. How do you play when an enemy brawler straight up follows you 24/7 making it basically a 2v2 the whole time

[wet geyser]

I do agree with this. As you improve at the game, your focus will shift towards watching the core and tracking the opponents’ movement

[wet geyser]

1. Pretty bad, but fun. He’s up there with Julie for the best stuffers in the game
2. Elusive and use abilities to make space as best you can. For example - If you’re an Estelle and an X is on you, just save your TP until he starts ulting you. If you’re a brawler vs something like an Era - try to elusive her beam

[hollow furnace]

What’s your opinion on Kai as a forward?

[low hedge]

I've been having some trouble with my Ai.Mi goalie play lately. I'm in Gold rank at the moment, and I just can't seem to figure out the goalie positioning some of the time. Most of the goals on me are when I'm just out of reach of the core, or because I misread an angle of a shot. Do you have any advice on positioning to cover as much of the goal as possible, especially without abilities?

[limpid pike]

I'm about to hit 100 hours played (according to steam) and i have yet to even queue into a Competitive game. So far I'm 'maining' Vyse/Rasmus as a forward, and feel like i understand the basics and even a few more advanced mechanics/manuvers (even if my brain moves a bit faster than my fingers do more often than not). What can i do to overcome this weird fear of playing for rank, despite playing enough to be profile level 30?

[stiff canyon]

Just make a Smurf if you’re worried about it, who cares just queue

[wet geyser]

very bad unless youre on Oni and then it's playable

[wet geyser]

get your eyes more focused on their characters/ball movement and try to track how they're going to hit it/move

[wet geyser]

It's an anime air hockey game why are you so concerned over if you lose ranked games

just press play its obvious you like the game

[tardy knot]

am I allowed to tell my irl friends I’m good at the game if im low Diamond?

[wet geyser]

yurr

[loud trail]

How many high elo controller players do you run into?

@wet geyser

[wet geyser]

Bruh what is your pfp + banner combo

[loud trail]

She's a queen leae me alone😩 /s

[wet geyser]

💀

[tropic totem]

bring back shame

[deep peak]

What's your favorite striker MVP theme?

[floral finch]

I’m thinking about either trying to pick up Aimi (again) or Rasmus, who would you recommend I try out?

If this is still open

[mint rapids]

I just notice I pingpong a lot and have trouble clearing safely, I think part of it is from playing goalie in actual soccer/football (and the #1 rule as goalie is to never cross the goal, always push it out to the edges). I have played enough goalie in os that it's become second nature at this point and I know the problem I just don't know how to change what I do automatically. Any tips about general learning/changing bad habits? I feel like I've hit a wall recently and the only reason I can come up with is small mistakes like that.

[visual coyote]

What are your thoughts on number of characters to "main" when familiar with the game and characters, but still picking up strategy, hand skill, and instincts? If it's one or two, how do you deal with bans, poor awakenings, team comps, maps, etc.?

[tulip thorn]

In line with the previous question, is it detrimental to play exclusively one character early on so that you aren’t familiar enough with others to effectively perform on them? Is there a certain point when it’s good to branch out or do you think by learning one character thoroughly it becomes easier to understand others later on?

[visual coyote]

Also, it'd be great to hear your take on which characters are strongest on which maps. If you don't have time for all, I'd particularly appreciate Atlas, X, Luna, and Vyce 🙂

[tulip kayak]

This was fun to read but I already know I’ll be forgetting all of it in the span of the next 5 minutes :,)

[shadow mountain]

whats ur playtime

ping me if u reply

[wet geyser]

I love the newest one in Finii’s, but otherwise I enjoy Aimi/Rune’s a lot

[wet geyser]

Whichever one you think looks more fun. That’s how I pick my charactwrs

[wet geyser]

Watch what top players do and try to figure out what is different. Ask someone better than you to watch you play, fresh eyes see things that you might be glossing over

[wet geyser]

Every single person that is a top player started the game by one-two tricking at most. An overwhelming majority of omega+ players can only pilot 1-2 champions at their ranked level.

Usually newer players will branch out after they’ve gotten a better handle on the game

[wet geyser]

Atlas is good on most maps. He struggles on Ahten. Demon dais usually revolves around damage so it’s not his best. He’s good on Oni/Aimi

X is much better on smaller maps or brawler favored maps like night market / Dais. He has no mobility and he’s slow. He’s terrible on ahten.

Luna - best on bigger maps. She is playable on almost every map, night market is probably her worst

Vyce - as goalie SS tier on everything except ahten and Oni. As a forward p much the same vibe, just better on smaller maps

[wet geyser]

Combined between my accounts + excluding afk/idle time I’d guess around 1200 hours. I started with the game back in the alpha test in feb 2022, so I’ve gotten lucky with more opportunity to play than the average player

[hollow furnace]

What characters can play midfield? I’m thinking about switching from Kai forward

[exotic warren]

What are the biggest things that seperate a challenger from an Omega, and an Omega from a Pro league?

[west crow]

I am a forward player, in your opinion when you play X what you should focus on more scoring, ko-ing and about positioning cause he is a bit slow yes xD and sometimes can get kited pretty bad :D. Is it probably better to stay near the goal most of the time?I am almost level 10 X and I wanna become better. Also you are a great player ! I have watched you in several tournaments so far.

[feral path]

1. What are the different goalie gear option good for?
2. What would you pick on Asher goalie and what do you think about the pick?
3. What about Rasmus? (Same as 2, gear and opinion)
4. What are the main strength of Kai goalie

[amber viper]

is there anything that can really be done in 2v3 situations, and how do you deal with burnout?

[amber viper]

ex. other forward leaves

[zenith crypt]

How do you not get burnt out Vaughn? I’ve been being pulled in every which direction lately by tourneys, ranked, and friends to play and it’s starting to feel like I’m playing just for the competitive sport instead of fun recently

[wet geyser]

Era Drek Vyce Luna Estelle Juno Rune Octavia are all valid options

[wet geyser]

Challenger -> omega = consistency in executing at their skill floor. Less basic mistakes
Omega -> challenger = knowing where to hit the ball and when better (clearing/passing angles as an example>

[wet geyser]

Generally best as X to almost exclusively stay on their half of the field. When I play X I focus on using my abilities to disrupt the goalie with my primary and ult to make it easier to take barriers/score. X struggles to finish kills but does consistent damage, so I focus on using my large hit boxes to create space in front of their goal while whittling down their Hp

[wet geyser]

1. EB excellent for characters with strong secondaries that they can use to effect the map offensively - Vyce / Luna. Momentum useful for slower characters to move more quickly and for goalies to play as 3rd forward - Dubu. Pauldrons - niche but useful when enemy has heavy kill comps. Also BIS for Rasmus because it increases his size which increases his primary size. Strike shot is bugged and slower than it should be now, so it’s not currently taken on anyone in high Elo
2. Asher - Boots or Pauldrons
3. Pauldrons
4. Versatility. Good defense with barrage. Solid mobility with dash. Good KO pressure with giga

[wet geyser]

Honestly in an even game not at all. I don’t really get burned out with the game. If I get tilted in soloq I just take a break

[wet geyser]

I’ve probably played in the most events of anyone since launch ( https://liquipedia.net/omegastrikers/Vaughn/Results this is my tournament history) and have hundreds of games of soloQ. I have fun competing so I don’t get burned out of tournaments. Bells (my teammate in all of them) and I are good friends so it’s always fun to compete together. I feel myself improving still each week I compete and chasing that high of being the best if I work REALLY hard makes it so I never truly get bored

For me I love the game so much and I don’t want to look back in a year on the time now and think “damn I wish I had entered more events/played more soloQ/ organized more inhouses when the game had those opportunities” because it simply just looks like the game’s competitive lifespan won’t last that long

So I never really get burnt out b/c I’m having fun now and cherishing the time I have with the game before the comp scene dies down and most people move on from it

[indigo fog]

That last part was kinda depressing Please have faith in the game's longevity

[fallen mauve]

I mainly play brawLER if my midfielder is not having as much core control as I expect Should I also play for core control OR stiLL trust them to get the core to me. In solo Q btw

[rain belfry]

..wait what does S.A.D.B.O.I.S even stand for?

[shadow mountain]

which do u take more often if both ctl and chrono show up in the same draft as octavia

[indigo fog]

I think you always take Chrono, unless you already have 1-2 Haste awakens

[torn wing]

Hey Vaughn, was watching your match against Core Underflow and the finii pick was nutty!
I'm intrigued to hear your thoughts on Finii goalie, do you think it has good potential? A good pick?
For sure a much stronger pick with good communication imagine :)

[indigo fog]

Do you have a link to that VOD/stream?

[torn wing]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qy4lc0HT_Vw

[indigo fog]

tyty

[torn wing]

You get some lovely Goomy commentary too

[spark meteor]

Hey Vaughn I've been pretty hardstuck in mid diamond and feel like I've hit a plateau. I main aimi but am making an effort to improve with some other characters as well. Any tips to escape this cycle of hell that I'm stuck in?

[random pasture]

he told me yesterday he thinks it’s troll goalie

[torn wing]

Yeah it feels that way tbh, she has no real good defensive tools (thank you goomy bby loved the commentary <3)

[random pasture]

🫶❣️ ty

[orchid venture]

Hey, what's the proper response to an enemy forward oki-ing my goalie? As the scoring forward at least if there is a proper response

[subtle elbow]

How do I play x goalie

[fleet horizon]

Hi Vaughn,do you memorize all of your opponent’s cooldowns when you play goalie?is there any tips on how to arrange your cooldowns?

[wet geyser]

Nah, I usually track the most important cd on each forward (estelle would be ult, for example)

I roughly know how long the cd is and I know I can clear more safely

Another example is knowing Julie dash is way longer cd (16?) than punch and if I see her use it I know I’m probably chillin if she starts dribbling off my bumper

[wet geyser]

What have you already tried doing to improve?

[wet geyser]

I think it’s lower tier but playable

[wet geyser]

Depends on context and other trainings

[wet geyser]

If enemy forward has no meter / your goalie is trading HP with them you can come back and KO them

[spark meteor]

I got some tips from Baumi and realized I was way too passive as aimi for my lack of trust in soloqueue. But now I feel much better and way more confident in my abilities. I hear you're pretty good at Zentaro tho so any Zentaro tips?

[wet geyser]

I don’t play Zen, I would find someone different to ask instead. I don’t think I could offer any meaningful, character-specific advice

[orchid venture]

Noted tyty

[eager eagle]

Hey Vaughn my love does drekar, Estelle or aimi have more value playing goalie into no shove/ranged team

Playing dubu/Asher is not it and I haven't followed high elo NA to know

[limpid ridge]

Hello best player ever Vaughn, I play pretty much exclusively goalie and also pretty much exclusively luna, but I see a lot of people saying that luna goalie isnt that great. I'm mid-plat right now (not hardstuck yet) and wondering if luna is such a bad pick that I should choose a better goalie like dubu or if I should just stick with the character I enjoy playing. Ty in advance for any advice uwu.

[wet geyser]

Would probably depend on awakenings and team comps but Aimi is the best of the 3 by default

[wet geyser]

You can hit any rank playing p much anything. Luna goalie is fine, it’s my 2nd (maybe 3rd right now not sure) most played goalie on my main. She’s quite powerful right now

[coral glacier]

You can hit any rank playing anything, but what about premades ? What about pro play ?
I ask this because on Overwatch, my favourite character is the hamster and he is barely played because he's not really team oriented. But in soloQ, even if he's not the greatest, he has so much potential for outplays that you could be quite the carry.

||I am not a good player but that's what I have understood||

So yeah in premades when I play my hamster I find it very hard to do stuff and my mates have hard times too.
So I was wondering, is it the same in this game ?

||I know I can still make it work in premades, but that requires a lot of time to be excellent on that character + people willing to play with that off-meta hero. ||

[shadow mountain]

isnt dubu like top 3 goalies? i wouldnt exactly call him "off-meta"

would you be willing to make goalie and forward tier lists for all the characters vaughn? i know most are context dependent but it should be fine to rank them based on how consistently theyre good without having to rely on specific maps/matchups/awakenings

[coral glacier]

As you said tier-lists are flawed because they only represent the META at the moment. That's why making a video about it, allows us scrubs to better understand the characteristics of each striker and how they fit in the game

(works for every game)

[wet geyser]

Dubu is the easiest goalie to climb on to hit omega

At the tippy top ranks I do not consider him top tier/top 3/s tier

But the amount of dubu one tricks that got to omega spamming him is immense

He’s definitely the best low Elo goalie to climb on without a doubt

[wet geyser]

Honestly sure I’ll put something together why not

It’ll be completely outdated once the patch drops but hey we ball

[shadow mountain]

yea thats the curse of character tier lists in games like this

also should probably clarify i meant the tier lists for top level play, not strictly for climbing

[coral glacier]

also quick question
Is Juliette bad at low level (people not being able to pass to me or not helping me for KO's), or do I suck ? (probably the second one)

I find ranged characters ultra easy and can control the ball and go for goals quite easily. But it's so hard with Juliette

[wet geyser]

no

evade button at low elo is dlc that nobody has purchased so dash punch solos

[coral glacier]

XD XD

[wet geyser]

Extremely quick and not thought-out top level forward tier list

[indigo fog]

Interesting S picks, I didn't know you'd put Asher so high

[wet geyser]

char does too much dmg, too tanky, never has unusable trainings in carousel + has combos when picked up wins her game on spots

uses health trainings + brawler trainings well, uses speed tranings well, uses CDR trainings too well, energy trainings on her = gg as well, she can even use creation trainings for ult + passive

[indigo fog]

Makes sense

[wet geyser]

goalies* again for people that look this is for high elo and I gave this about 2 minutes of thought. Also subject to change on next patch

[indigo fog]

Pretty premium to have a melee that can pick up creation+

[wet geyser]

ye

[indigo fog]

Do you have a blind guess for who's getting buffed/nerfed?

[wet geyser]

Things I think will be buffed (this does not reflect what I think should be adjusted, just what I expect odyssey to do):

Finii - She's hard for the average player so they'll make her cd's lower to let people spam more abilities b/c she's skillshot reliant
Juno - Worst char in game for multiple patches running
Base Stagger / Stagger Trainings - I think they've mentioned that they're looking at toning down lethality at some point?

Things I think will be nerfed:
Luna - Seems like she's overperforming, too much damage and CDR is starting to get out of hand for her.
Prime Time - I think they've mentioned this training multiple weeks now.
Momentum Boots - This has some insane pick rate. I don't know the stats but, if you're not playing an Eject Button character, this has some insane 90%+ pickrate at high elo.
Catalyst - Revert the change please 😦
Zentaro - Please.

I don't think many trainings need to be buffed. I think size trainings have been nerfed to an appropriate place.

[indigo fog]

Isn't the pickrate for moboots kinda due to strike shot also being bugged and pauldron being really niche though

Not that I disagree with it being extremely solid

[wet geyser]

its too good

you get almost 700 ms

from it and a single movement spell or another speed training

they should reduce the total speed it gives I'm p sure

[shadow mountain]

thanks for the tier lists and follow up

i assume the list you found didnt have finii in it? where would you place her

im guessing a forward b goalie

[orchid venture]

Are the characters ordered in the tiers?

[abstract grove]

I'm kind of surprised to see Ai.Mi in S tier for forward - I feel like the general opinion I've seen is that she doesn't bring much to the table (as a forward) compared to other meta picks at a high elo. Why do you think she's still in S tier (and how much of it is turret lol)?

[flint mauve]

what do u consider bis awakenings for rasmus goalie? he can pick so many different items

[plucky rapids]

in regards to forwards, why is Kai considered a C and Drek considered an A, like is there any differences to their positioning or playstyles that place Drek in such a dominant position over Kai (especially since Drek'kar's kit on paper seems worse, with his invisiblity and speed going away upon an action, him not being able to move when doing primary, and Ult not being able to instantly delete people who stray too close to the edge)

[lunar pier]

What makes some of these goalies as good as they are, such as Rasmus above Asher and Estelle?

I may just have to play Rasmus if he's that good

Also Atlas in particular, is it mostly because of ult in KO meta or does it have to do more with primary/secondary?

[deep peak]

surprised to see rasmus higher as goalie than forward (assuming BiS). what's the reasoning behind that? (asking because i dont play him as goalie)

[ionic berry]

Hey Vaughn!
Any drek tips?
I watch you and your playstyle with him a bit and I try to emulate it, but I still don’t really think I get it…
Edit: what does BIS mean in the tierlist?

[deep peak]

BIS = best in slot

[wet geyser]

Yes

[wet geyser]

Almost all of it is turret, but otherwise good at confirming kills and has training versatility

[wet geyser]

Size, Prime Time, Damage

[wet geyser]

Kai has zero utility and only has only seen success on Oni Village. Drekar can fit multiple roles in a comp and is stronger on more maps

[flint mauve]

ty!

[wet geyser]

At absolute top levels of play goalies with Rasmus can output tons of damage and has very easy kill confirms. Goalies can get away with using abilities like this because the top pro league goalies are good at positioning and using strikes to clear things that lesser skilled players would struggle with

[wet geyser]

Atlas is a melee character that doesn’t struggle against being sat on in the box, his abilities are 100% anti stuff success rate, and his ult is incredibly useful against teams that need to KO as their wincon

[wet geyser]

Drek is just entirely fundamentals. Historically, Diamond and below drek players struggle because success on that character literally boils down to spacing for his primary and knowing where to hit the ball at certain times

I’m not really sure how to give generalized tips for him though, sorry

[white swift]

Hey Vaughn, currently I'm a high gold player somehow consistently facing mid-high plat, occasionally diamond players.

As a goalie, how do you face opponents that sets up and push the core through you with abilities? Also how do you deal with melee characters like Asher that plays really, really close to you and just shove the core through you?

[olive forge]

You see, the ball was actually played in OW1 where everyone was mad abt a shield meta. But in OW2 they removed shield "meta" in exchange for removing chars like hamster.

Yeah I hate OW devs

Shield meta wasn't played in every map, different tanks were played in different maps

But OW2 you got the same 3 tanks in every map

because the majority of them are ungodly unusable

[ionic berry]

First impressions on Kazan?

[coral glacier]

Well most of the time you had the same comps played over and over anyway, even in OW2
But at the lower levels, it felt like you could play anything
While now, it feels way more oppressive not playing the "good" tanks or playing around counters like sombra

[tropic mason]

what the hell is BIS, I don't get it

[indigo fog]

Best In Slot. Means its usually their best Awakening choice

[tropic mason]

i still don't get it

referring to the list

Does it mean if these 3 get their best awakenings ( which ones are they?) they are S and if not then A?

[indigo fog]

Probably A tier without BIS yeah

[orchid venture]

To use Octavia as an example if the starting awakening is something like chronoboost she's instantly very scary

I think Yokie's doc is still updated on what awakening each striker wants most

[tropic mason]

do you have the source?

[shadow mountain]

lol u predicted a lot of these correctly

[orchid venture]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1JYdvELBzYwvGKeOtKglkhQ8Pbo6SgKDyCJu4ygU0_-4/htmlview#gid=442672805

I haven't checked the patch but most of this should hold up

[tropic mason]

[sullen fox]

VAUGHN YOUR SOOO AWESOMEEE !!!!!

[minor jasper]

Vaughn what are your thoughts on the juno changes?

[digital schooner]

Can anyone recommend a GOOD Vyce guide please?

[random pasture]

VAUGHN YOUR SOOO AWESOMEEE !!!!!

[shadow mountain]

VAUGHN YOUR SOOO AWESOMEEE !!!!!

[glacial relic]

VAUGHN YOUR SOOO AWESOMEEE !!!!!

[coral glacier]

VAUGHN YOUR SOOO AWESOMEEE !!!!!

[broken condor]

VAUGHN YOUR SOOO AWESOMEEE !!!!!

[tropic mason]

Vaughn👍

[plucky rapids]

VAUGHN YOUR SOOO AWESOMEEE !!!!!

[grizzled phoenix]

VAUGHN YOUR SOOO AWESOMEEE !!!!!

Hi Vaughn, would you consider Era or Ai.mi better as a forward/midfielder? Do you know the stats on how often they're picked?

[somber pagoda]

He made a pre season 2 tierlist, and considering both those characters didn’t get changed it looks like ai.mi is better

[grizzled phoenix]

do you have a link to where i can find it?

[somber pagoda]

right here

[grizzled phoenix]

ty

[somber pagoda]

Np!!

[true aurora]

Hallo! is fini worth learning for goalie? i heard she was played in a few high level matches but wasnt sure if it was more of a niche thing

[dire python]

Hi Vaughn! I just wanted to ask if you knew how the awakening order is picked. If it is based on redirects, goals, saves, overall performance or other factors.

[deep peak]

(source: https://omegastrikers.wiki.gg/wiki/Awakenings)

& here's how exp is calculated if you need it https://omegastrikers.wiki.gg/wiki/Experience

[dire python]

ah okay tysm! was just curious

[deep peak]

ofc

[stray dagger]

Hey Vaughn, long time viewer, first time writer. I gotta admit, I was surprised to see the love for Asher in your responses. I've been thinking about picking her up, and I'm curious if you could give me your top tips of what combos and mechanics to practice that make her so worthwhile. Thanks!

[wet geyser]

I'm sorry I can't help you. Despite being a long time viewer, I cannot stand to help encourage one single additional player to play asher right now. Disturbingly cringe character. You will have to seek that knowledge elsewhere

[wet geyser]

She's pretty bugged right now, I wouldn't bother unless you just enjoy her that much

[true aurora]

Thank you Vaughn!

[plucky rapids]

🗣️ vaughn spitting

asher nerf that actually does something meaningful against forward asher never

[stray dagger]

RIP, but thank you! Guess I'll return to my degenerate X ways

[hexed steppe]

No your so close to greatness become an Asher main

[stray dagger]

I don't wanna be cringe

[hexed steppe]

Lol

[visual coyote]

@wet geyser for people who play a few characters, how much influence does the map have on character selection? I know you spoke to maps a bit earlier specific to X, Vyce, Atlas, and Luna, but it might be good to get something a little more general and/or incorporate the new maps into the discussion. 🙂

[amber viper]

how the hell do you pronounce your name vaughn

[indigo fog]

vorn

[exotic warren]

Vayuun

[tropic mason]

/vɔːn/ like lawn with v

[gritty nexus]

"vaa backwards c, colon n"

[unkempt fog]

Hello! I have a question about goalie climbing strategy vs tournament play. Last season I managed to climb to challenger by picking momentum boots dubu, getting close to my screen, hyper focusing on the core, and doing everything I could to keep the ball on the enemy half of the map, sometimes extending past the midfield line to score goals or get a shot to my forward in scoring position. However this hasn’t worked well for me in tourney play, and I have adapted my playstyle to be more defensive and focused on patience and accuracy of passes to my forwards. However, this style hasn’t worked for climbing, and I suspect it might not work at high level tournament play either. What is your take on how aggressive the goalie should be, and do you have different play styles for ranked vs tournament?

[tardy nacelle]

I'm surprised to see Asher praise and even disdain. Is it just cuz she scales well or is she just really good at beating goalies?

[indigo fog]

She's a super one dimensional character

[glacial relic]

how many forms does kazan have

[wet geyser]

2

[glacial relic]

thanks boss

[bold thistle]

what song u putting on when u need to lock in

[wet geyser]

That Oni village game was the dubu song

If I really truly need to lock in during an S tier the final secret answer is complete silence

[indigo fog]

whats the best omega strikers skin

[wet geyser]

Prob wizard luna or pool party X

[indigo fog]

whats the worst skin

[wet geyser]

i think the cafe juno skins are so incredibly ugly, back to school aimi, and magician rasmus are all F tier

[bold thistle]

:(

[sinful haven]

Has enough time passed to consider Kazan as a viable goalie

[indigo fog]

Can you make a tierlist for strikers in the current meta, counting all played maps, if possible

(High elo or tourney level)

[plucky thorn]

please mister rank one man, tell me why I am hardstuck high gold. I refuse to provide context I am Juli main I like get points and violence.

[drifting juniper]

I have a friend who's about to start his os journey. However, he wants to play goalie and I've never played a game as goalie.

Outside of literal basics like not ping ponging, use core flip, what's some other things I can give him as tips as a brand new goalie?

[limpid pike]

Don't spam spread out when your midfield helps you defend

[worldly sequoia]

Are there any general tips that one would have to improve luna goalie, as I strugle to being offensive with her, and on what map is she discouraged?

[wet geyser]

oh sorry i don't check maincord too much and didnt realize people were in this thread

i would advise just straight up playing the game. When you're new to anything information overload is real and won't really help him improve

the things you already mentioned are good enough

[wet geyser]

maps that take advantage of her unique ability to get across the entire field are usually better for her. No other goalie can click a button and go box to box as easily as her. Biggest tip that I give luna goalies is something i call ability hygiene. against a lot of brawlers you need your primary to clear virtually anything, but luna's will waste it for attempted damage or when they can fly in with their secondary. Ask yourself before you primary if the damage you're applying is relevant rn (maybe your teammates are staggered and cant finish a kill or octavia has flowstate and is approaching your barriers) and save your primary to hitstun the brawler as they attempt to dribble the ball to you/convert

easiest way i find to play luna goalie is just to hitstun whoever is attempting the offense before they even step into the box and simply kicking the ball away when it rolls to me

otherwise strike primary strike gives you a way to beat things like estelle blink + ult ever since the strike reset patch

[worldly sequoia]

[solar apex]

every single clear for every map 🤑

[bold thistle]

sdo you play strike on left click or on right click

[dusty junco]

besides bestieinslot where can i find more vods of high level gameplay

[wet geyser]

eusl is the tier 1 eu equivalent which you could watch their matches on their twitch on saturdays. idk if they upload them to yt like bestie does tho

[dusty junco]

Thanks big dog

[shadow mountain]

they do https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCArN434WbrPOIVb9rTPDD4w

[dusty junco]

Tyyyy

[uneven bramble]

please tell me why high elo hates strike shot suddenly

[frank canopy]

upcoming patch

:)

[uneven bramble]

yeah i saw

also heard the whining for a while

[wet geyser]

Many people are tired of the sameness of matches as melee goalies + strike shot have dominated top level play for ~6 months(?) not sure on the exact length

Takes away one of the bigger weaknesses of picks like Atlas by giving him range to influence the map in midfield

I’m not sure if I would say “suddenly”, but it’s definitely fatigue from how the meta drags on long games and it feels like a necessity to pick lockdown goalies

I do not mind strike shot myself but think a patch would be welcome to shake something up as I echo that melee goalies feel op

[uneven bramble]

seems like a skill issue tbh

[wet geyser]

Ok

[uneven bramble]

like isnt the whole point of goalie awakenings to either cover weaknesses or boost strengths

and if thats true then why is it overpowered in the meta for doing its job

[bold thistle]

beacuse weaknesses are a good thing

[uneven bramble]

fair

[slate summit]

do you have any replays on jules ?

[delicate pier]

im a diamond stuck in gold what do i do

[indigo fog]

Are you a wedding ring

[delicate pier]

nuh uh

[signal mural]

@sudden horizon I'll ping you in a few useful threads.