Maw of Judgement ATK Bug

[rare kernel]

Summary: It seems that the ATK % on the Maw of Judgement isn't being calculated correctly.

Server: Totemia
Character: Flo
Position: N/A
Visual Proof: Image Attached (Difference between FoT and MoJ)

Expected Result: Have higher ATK when wearing the maw, as it has more atk than the FoT.

Actual Result: Have less ATK with Maw of Judgement.

Additional Comments: FoT has 812~815 atk, MoJ has 876~879 atk. Not sure if it's happening with any other ankou weapons, but def want this fixed as it feels bad to drop that much penya on a new weapon and the old one is better.

[thorn bolt]

There's something else causing your difference it isn't the knuckles, can't replicate this. Can we see the stats on both knuckles?

[rain pewter]

@lofty breach

[lofty breach]

https://i.gyazo.com/081cb05561b6546d5814d443d2e4c92e.png
https://i.gyazo.com/1664423679ddae243eb8c265c523bd09.png

the maw was +1 during the screens above.
now with +3 its still under my fot

[thorn bolt]

That 0.8% difference in increased attack + the STR+3 probably does it

There isn't a bug with the base attack it's just the different bonuses

[rare kernel]

this FoT also had more attack than the Maw (we can only reply every 15 min lol)

[timid plinth]

Which is likely correct due to the gem and str

[thorn bolt]

Yeah it's just the bonus differences

if you equip 2 clean knuckles the maw is higher

[rain pewter]

atk gem is flat atk, doesn't scale. so you're saying +3 str and +20 atk is more than 6.2% atk?

[timid plinth]

You could remove those gems and test. If its not that, maybe the % attack value isnt factored in correctly since the decimal change. But people would have noticed it quite likely.
I can remember a very similiar discussion about a +5 Fist of Tides and a Crystal knuckle a year back. Where the FoT ended up having more attack as it was +5 even though displayed weapon attack damage was lower than the crystal knuckle

[rain pewter]

While imo still doesn't make sense for it to be that way with FoT and Crystal knuckle, at least those are both 150 weapons. This weapon is 30 levels higher, and isn't even an upgrade over a +5 150 weapon, what kind of a sick joke is that?

[inland girder]

+3 ultimate weapon has +33% weapon ATK due to it's upgrade. +5 ultimate weapon has +39% weapon ATK. This percentage affects other ATK sources if I am not mistaken.

[inland girder]

https://flyffipedia.com/upgrades

[timid plinth]

Yeah that was exactly the post I was referring to

[inland girder]

To add something to that discussion, by removing adept demols+0 my ATK with staff +2 goes from 5279 to 3455 [-1824]

On staff +5 it goes from 5686 to 3736 [-1950]

So clearly upgrade level affects also additional damage from demols.

[sudden bone]

It has like 23% more icd and 10% more crit than fot, that's already a 10%+ damage increase and now you can bod your fash for more icd, it adds up

[sharp niche]

Weapon upgrades do indeed multiply all your auto attack damage. And multiplies it independently from % attack. So it doesn't matter how much %attack you already have.

With a champion, set a high level character will deal more damage with a wooden sword +10 than with a clean level 170 sword. Weapon upgrades are just that important for auto attackers.

That's why those level 175 weapons that can't be made ultimate will all lose hard to Corals, even if the Corals have trash awakening stats.

[opaque mirage]

also during my testing time, 8% PVE scales at a extreme parameter, think it of a scaling of % bonus salary at your yearly income and not a bonus based on a monthly salary,

Therefore you need to reroll the new weapon to have atleast 8% PVE damage, to see atleast a minimum +10% more DPS

As of rn you see there is such a small difference, because new base weapon atk is making up for not having 8% PVE Damage

[silk sky]

wow, I've been playing flyff u since beta and this is news to me. does this reflect correctly on the stats page in the attack value?

if this is the case, does that mean that I'd have to hold off on reducting my new +0 ultimate 180 weapon until I can put in more upgrades in it because my old lc was upgraded to +7 for free? nvm the fact that I can't put runes on my new weapon yet

[inland girder]

It does, as you can see here for example: #1444852287162945628 message

But it won't reflect all improvements, like how more CD and CC, but less ATK would reflect on your DPS.

[hexed valley]

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