CLOSED-STOP COMMENTING: New RM Skill

[spare hound]

FOCUS = FULL SUPPORT RINGMASTERS esp. for PVE GROUP CONTENT (but also for PVP)

ISSUE

RMs can do all these new things that we couldn't before, but there is so much more potential to unlock in a way that still keeps us as a primarily support class w/o undermining the 'status quo'. Not asking for FSRMs to become the master of all, but to contribute even more to group PVE content.

Goal: let us focus on less buff and more fun.
FSRMs can be as ACTIVE as they want.

AMENDED SKILL

• Amend new skill to have an AOE effect (similar range to GT) to protect party/guild members within range;
• Amend new skill to either last for a short duration, or take a maximum number of hits and/or damage before it fails.

@deep fable & @limber sedge for

Rework RMs / New RM Skills OR Add Scroll of Job Change

[daring fern]

this suggestions is too late for the game 😦
was pushed hard before release

[cunning tiger]

Hello,
As every suggestion there is a need for more in-depth details to be discussed with the Devs.
Thanks!

[kind umbra]

No cause everyone will just play elementor until 140 then switch to their pvp class because then there is no point in any other class as an elementor levels way faster than everything else by far.

If you want to play a class for pvp, then go grind it like everyone else. All this will do is have everyone play ele or RM until 140 then they switch which is dumb.

@olive sparrow Blade is the king of PVE by FAR. It is not even comparable. Can't be the best at everything else no point in other classes. It's your fault if you do not like it. You chose it. You're free to grind a new character like everyone else. With tower siege coming out, Blade will literally be the best.

[spare hound]

Noted, shall collate some feedback from comments and copy paste it into the suggestion itself

[full depot]

1. @olive sparrow Blade is not useless, literally has highest DPS.
2. Suggestion: Replace the new spell of RMs with the following:

Garden of Flowers (Heck idk a good name, do w/e you want)
Effect: AoE stationary on ground, castable like Gravity Well on Psykeeper. Any partymembers within the garden cannot be cc'ed. Lasts for 15 seconds with 30s cooldown.

[placid horizon]

1. All the comments are coming from non Blade players, I am betting real cash on that any other class like YJ is coming close or even doing more than the Blade, while being not useless in PvP at all

[daring fern]

sounds op for red meteo/meteo

[olive sparrow]

Highest DPS = Useful ?

this all changes in actual fights
e.g. for a Blade
110% - 140% if you are below the mob if player/mob
140% - 180% if you are above mob
120% - 200% if mob above player for mob

you basically lose 40% of your damage and other classes not as much
not being the highest DPS in real world situations/actual fights and you write "1) @Chipset Blade is not useless, literally has highest DPS."
so if you calculate your actual uptime in the current and upcoming boss encounters

@kind umbra Please inform yourself first on the actual calculations of Damage Modifiers in general, you clearly don't have a clue of what you are talking about.

SO with the secret room bosses and non-boss enemies data given by todays stream, there is no actual value to waste slots for Blades -> they are not going to be top dps
You could run this simulation yourself @kind umbra but you clearly don't know the calculations of certain classes perhaps not even a singular

Knowing that Blade is vastly irrelevant in PvP and still not going to be #1 in PvE Boss Encounters I'm asking why Blades exist while keeping in mind its original idea was to be a 1on1 class.

[kind umbra]

Mmm there are plenty of videos comparing blade dps to other classes with the same jewelry/pets. Educate yourself. Blade is by far at the top and it is no comparison. You're just making yourself look dumb. Some strong copium you're taking. There is no damage modifier increase for being higher level than a boss or "Super" type monster such as cw/meteo/redmeteo.

[cosmic thicket]

I am interested in your point there, it is true that every tests are run on bosses that are underleveled. Do you have proofs of what you say? Video or something

[spare hound]

New RM Skills OR Add Scroll of Job Change

[spare hound]

Sorry Ket, tweaked this a little bit more now

[kind umbra]

It's a support class. It's how it should be. It AOE farms faster than ALL other classes except Psykeeper/Elementor by far which is crazy. If you don't like playing the support role, then pick a different class. RM already plays a huge role in siege whether stamina or int. A good rm will keep everyone alive and makes a BIG difference whether surviving or aiding in getting kills. They literally are free ranged holy scrolls and heals plus 2x dmg when coordinated. At the moment, even if you hit an RM with the strongest asal possible, it is not anywhere near enough to kill it. Our rm in siege dies literally 1 time each siege. Some sieges 0 death when it is an even siege.

[kind umbra]

RM is actually so strong atm that it's the only class that can level and farm efficiently completely SOLO without any downsides to it since it can heal and buff itself completely. It's not even a subclass cause it doesn't even need a duo partner. It can perform at maximum efficiency solo and still be better than every class other than ele/psykeeper that has to DUO

[fair star]

Agree. I'm one who like to main support RM and it's a shame, that the class who has the worst capabilities of making money, also has to pay wayyy more for gear then other classes. And it isn't even a little bit more. Just bought a lvl 105 suit for my ranger that cost 2m, while the RM suit cost 250m!!! Just increase the drop rate of FS gear. Maybe add a dynamic dropchance based on the % that job has been played in the last month or so?

RM really need a better way to actively participating in the leveling process.
Spamming HC is annoying and hurts my finger. I would more like a debuff that i put 1 time on an enemy and then stays there for like 5 sec. Same for an aoe debuff in case i get an aoe lvler.
As compensation all enemies could receive a bit more hp.

Also it would be nice if i buff in a party, that all partymembers nearby get buffed, like an aoe buff.
It really can get annoying having to buff every single person while doing a boss / dungeon.

[violet spire]

I would more like a debuff that i put 1 time on an enemy and then stays there for like 5 sec

I know it doesn't have the same use case, but this mechanic already exists in Moonbeam. I frankly think the idea of adding this mechanic to HC is ridiculous especially if you consider PvP.

[fair star]

8% does nothing for some 1v1.
and the time required to cast moonbeam the mob is half dead
and when i cast it to soon the mob agro on me and the lvler has tu run behind it

moonbeam is usless as lvling support debuff and nobody uses it

.edit my idea has nothing to do with a x2 damage debuff that lasts for seconds.
also my idea could be pve only np

[kind umbra]

You’re not forced to leveling that way. Its your choice. You can easily self level or go with an aoe partner. Opposite thing can be said for when you duo with elementor. Elementor dont even need heal all you have to do is buff and keep gt up. Much much easier. It’s actually feelsbad to the 1v1 levellers having to rely on finding an rm that is willing to HC all the time to level faster which is very impossible unless it is your guildmate because it is much easier and much faster for the rm to just level by itself

[spare hound]

REVISED: New RM Skill

[placid kindle]

I support this "Goal: let us focus on less buff and more fun.". Imagine having to buff an entire guild for secret room

[spare hound]

Imagine taking away key DPS dmg by dropping a merk instead of using HC

[coarse brook]

https://tenor.com/view/no-way-dude-no-oh-bugs-bunny-bugs-gif-22941840

[spare hound]

@cunning tiger Is there a way of deleting irrelevant comments please to help reframe/focus discussion on the actual suggestion?

[cunning tiger]

We will just monitor comments that don't match our #🔴・rules cause while sometimes it's easy to say what's irrelevant regarding a suggestion, the "where do we draw the line" is more difficult

Though, we invite the Thread creator to edit and make a great tl;dr of everything in his topic for us to be able to have a clear idea of what is being asked

Cause we can't spend 1h on each suggestion

[fast orbit]

A new skill could be a HOT (Heal over time).
Has some initial heal, lets say 500 HP on lvl 140 and has some ticking heal, lets say 100 every 2 seconds for 25 seconds.
The duration between ticks is influenced by cast speed. (More castspeed, less seconds/millisends in between heal ticks.
Int influences the initial heal and the heal over time amount.
Has a 10 second cooldown and cannot stack. Nice for GS to have 1-3 hots on your party members. Or for easier group healing in dungeons if members are too far spread out for HR.
Would like to see some other healing skills that actually can be used. Currently its spamming HR because its the best. Thats super dumb. Give us some other heal spells. Like weaken HR, buff Heal and maybe add another heal thats something in between

[mental notch]

Rm should have a debuff skill or a skill remove that makes them needed for pvp and pve. Pvp can be one skill at random removed. Pve could be a extra moonbeam dmg buff or remove a guard on boss etc to allow more dmg other than spamming hc and heal. Makes them a class and not a slave class for buffs.

Yes people have slaves with max buffs

Why the new protect skill is 1 hit vs people getting 3 seconds no dmg. Like has anyone even played pvp on a rm its chaotic in groups 3 seconds is enough since you have casting time on eveything to try get off. You pop that, gruv and a heal. Bang 3 seconds up

Like go actually play rm in siege and then make ur decision

[fast orbit]

Yeah, give Rm Utility which is needed and remove all assist buffs. Assist buffs should be assigned to individual classes as passive or buff. Like Knight gets Heap up as group buff, ranger gets cannonball als group buff etc (Buffing the buff applies them to all party members close by)

[cosmic thicket]

I agree on the pvp part that there were better ideas to make for RM.
However, on pve side for bossing, RM is more interesting to play than any other class that just afk auto atk

[mental notch]

That takes to much effort. I think the easy solution is adjusting the rm skill to block all dmg for 3 seconds let’s it uses in both pvm and pve meaning they can if they bothered put a 1 hit skill in or even make it area based around them like the ele take no dmg so u have to have a rm can’t solo crap

[spare hound]

Agreed, this new skill is terrible IMV. I'd welcome the short duration change vs the current 1 hit set-up.

Unless there's a guaranteed KO/wipe-out mechanic in dungeons so I can use it to save myself, of course.

I also really don't understand the outrage/resistance in basically improving our QOL by allowing us to mass-buff a party group for this sort of content. Particularly if these dungeons are so hard and deaths are likely, I want to be able to actively contribute to the dungeon progress - not having to res and rebuff regularly.

[spare hound]

@mental notch Looks like they want to keep what they need to consider to the main suggestion only, so I've added the increased duration point to the main suggestion above.

[mental notch]

Love how none of them play an rm

[clever root]

i don't play RM but if RM gets a buff i'm down for it lol!

[placid kindle]

I aint buffing anyone at Arena anymore

[spare hound]

NB: Unless anyone else has any suggestions/tweaks to make for suggested skills, I'm considering this suggestion as being in its final form and will no longer be making any changes.

[mental notch]

3 possible choices

1. 3 second single target no dmg taken. Currently 1 hit is utterly usless with everything coming at you that procs it

2.Debuff the target for a buff siege / pvp allowing rms to be forced for grouping. Think of pve like guard so they aren’t forced into hc and hr every second.

3. Bit like a but aoe like ele no dmg in zone got 3 sec for party if they stand in it

[spare hound]

Can you tweak this a tad so I can just copy paste it in and it's super clear?

[wary pulsar]

90% skill issue
10% skills issue

[mental notch]

No offence here but ur in the boat if you don’t pvp just hug a tree

Plus this is the rm section

[wary pulsar]

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[spare hound]

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[mental notch]

More details required -

What exactly? Patch note says tank saving skill but if you bother to play pvp in siege then you understand its virtually impossible to heal a target, keep them alive, gurv etc and try get that 1 shot block off

has to be 1-3 seconds target cannot be hit and has 30 sec cd meaning you keep it you cant spam it

[spare hound]

More details required was from when I posted it with the only detail of ‘enough said’ or something akin to that in pure rage post stream… since then, I guess not many people are as concerned about the utility of the current skill to contribute / upvote, so they’ll probably ignore it (cause it seems everyone is more focused on the DPS nerfs/balancing etc than this)

[mental notch]

@cunning tiger can we get this reviewed? Its legit a waste of a skill in pvp thats not 1v1 when you see someone asal you press it that is all nothing more, block 1 attack is pointless when you have an ele blasting you to the moon, psy doing it or any auto attacks... even turn this into a 50k shield even just not 1 god dam skill that anything can proc it off, random ass merc, moonbeam, hc etc

[cunning tiger]

The topic & its core will be mentionned during the next suggestions&bug-reports meeting with devs, but for obvious reasons we can't possibly browse every inch of a topic during these sessions

[spare hound]

Thank you Ket, sorry for the essays

[cunning tiger]

no worries, as long as there is a tl;dr version in the main topic, we can easily keep track of things. If needed, devs will go more in-depth if the suggestion is approved

[mental notch]

@cunning tiger thanks, legit RMS new skill is useless for PVP and even in PVE to a point isnt worth it, what about a shield or 2/3 sec cannot be hit

Dont want this dropping off the radar

@spare hound can we do a TDLR at the top, duno if we can lock this

[spare hound]

Brainstorming in the RM thread, I wanna simplify it and maybe do a separate suggestion re extending the guild wide buffs for PVP/Siege to PVE content at the very least

[coarse brook]

2 second shield so bps can asal and run away unscathed, yeah let’s not

[mental notch]

They can do it just now without being cc just saying rework the skill or give it something that doesn’t proc randomly m

[spare hound]

FINAL: New RM Skill

[dapper basalt]

Blade is PvE King what dfk u mean?

[sour holly]

Blade is not the best dps in pve anymore for siege ... psy does more dmg than blade in tower siege

Also pve rm and psy are the fastes lvl classes

[mental notch]

no we arent, we loose alot of dmg going to other stats to be able to live...

[dapper basalt]

And so is other class though.

except for Rangers

[daring fern]

the name of this thread suggests that the topic is ringmasters

[olive sparrow]

I disagree, Jester - Psykeeper (basically any ranged class) is performing really good Ranger aswell
Ranger also performs tremendously good in PvP, PvE AoE and Tanking.

This Thread is about the New RM Skill, so please make a new suggestion if you'd like

[dapper basalt]

Leave Psy alone, let them enjoy Gravity Well for awhile

itll get a nerf soon enough.

[spare hound]

Kindly pls move this discussion elsewhere and quit triflin in my RM suggestion thread from so long ago dungeons weren’t even released yet (and the change was made to BOL)

[brisk pulsar]

How about fix moonbeam first. Thanks

[mental notch]

Yeah feel like having holy not get rid of it would help in pvp or least do somewhat more dmg

[spare hound]

We came up with some great new skills in global @hot viper might even make a suggestions thread for them

[hot viper]

I want to but I always end up getting too nit-picky in anticipation of being torn to shreds so I don’t post

[coarse brook]

Suggest any new rm skill and I’m rioting in the comments

[hot viper]

no one listens to you anyway

[coarse brook]

Trust me, I realized that during siege

[hot viper]

I was with you when I could be. But you also charged in rly fast sometimes. Knight FW

[placid horizon]

@proper lark did you see the suggestion?

[full depot]

I have read everything and I consider that the only improvements that I would make to the rm are, 1-merkaba must have a slow percentage to improve the hit and run style and it would not be so far from the essence of the character, since it would serve to safeguard friends in the dungeons etc 2 - that the buffs in general can be cast in aoe for the parties, like the geburah. With that, the rm would be a complete character. without an exaggerated buff.

[coarse brook]

Merk procs stone hand…..

[spare hound]

https://discord.com/channels/778915844070834186/1096083232904188056. @cunning tiger sorry for the ping, but this is driving me insane. Please can you lock this thread? I wanted changes to barrier of life. One of the changes was made after this suggestion was made. I literally don’t give a toss if this is marked as approved or rejected or just simply locked just please, close this thread.