It's WORLDWIDE GIVEAWAY TIME!

[potent imp]

I'm on linux :(

[velvet flower]

yooo

[charred jungle]

same

[high berry]

rip

[marble ledge]

gl guys

[potent imp]

I've also already overclocked the shit out of my 6650 xt so

[civic slate]

My state banned sweepstakes 😦

[potent imp]

💀

[tough kindle]

GL to whoever has a reddit account

[potent imp]

yeah I also dont have a reddit account lol

[civic slate]

Do you guys think it's a good idea to overclock my igpu?

[woeful wedge]

if only you could make one

[woeful wedge]

just make one

[spice sparrow]

can i get it in india too?

[grave cedar]

what do we hae to do?

[woeful wedge]

Check the link in the thread

[potent imp]

it's in the reddit post

[grave cedar]

oh thx

[potent imp]

I mean
I still can't use gpu tweak iii to post the ss

[woeful wedge]

You don't have a gpu?

[potent imp]

no, I'm on linux

I have a 6650 xt

[tough kindle]

By not making one I increase the chances of everybody here that does have one though 😁
(Really just don't want to make one)

[potent imp]

maybe ill just check if I didn't delete my throwaway and post a screenshot of corectrl lol

[vagrant smelt]

Always fun when a giveaway casually asks you to do a risky thing with a chance to void the warranty on a piece of consumer electronics worth hundreds of dollars

[potent imp]

huh

[woeful wedge]

risky? hah

[potent imp]

bro if overclocking voids the warranty of something I'm not buying that shit

[charred jungle]

lets adjust the voltage a bit,

precedes to +68418V

[vagrant smelt]

Every GPU apart from a couple high end models designed for overclocking literally says "if you overclock, you void your warranty". It's literally there when you start MSI Afterburner

[visual nimbus]

how are they going to prove it?

spoiler: they can't.

[potent imp]

💀

[vagrant smelt]

No, they can't prove it with 100% confidence. But if they see you posting evidence of you overclocking, say in a public Reddit thread, they got proof enough to deny your claim

[potent imp]

https://us.msi.com/Graphics-Card/Radeon-RX-6650-XT-MECH-2X-8G-OC/support#warranty

where is overclocking mentioned here

[visual nimbus]

They won't look that hard.

They're not emplying private investigators to see if they can deny your warranty claim on a maximum $2k bit of hardware.

[vagrant smelt]

It's under category 4. That's a catch-all category that they can use for any improper use. They can easily claim overclocking is improper use

Because it's running the card outside of the manufacturer's safe limits

[potent imp]

Every GPU apart from a couple high end models designed for overclocking literally says "if you overclock, you void your warranty".

where does it say that

[vagrant smelt]

maybe not literally, but it's common

[potent imp]

the manufacturer's safe limits are defined in the VBIOS iirc

and section 4 does mention not changing sofware running on the product

[vagrant smelt]

I've seen multiple posts in the past of people getting their warranty revoked because of overclocking

[potent imp]

which would be the VBIOS

[vagrant smelt]

Maybe MSI is flexible in that. But if you open the AMD Adrenalin software and try the automatic overclock, it literally says it voids your warranty

[woeful wedge]

all of these brands literally sponsor overclocking contests

[vagrant smelt]

Then why does so many overclocking software pop up a scary warning about voiding your warranty?

[potent imp]

so you can't blame them in case it does ig

I mean my MSI mobo warns me about voiding my cpu's warranty every time I open the overclocking settings in my bios

even though it like doesn't

[tepid kayak]

GPU in Intel UHD

DOES IT NOT WORK WITH INTEGRATED GPUs????

[vagrant smelt]

How does ASUS, a multi billion dollar company, manage to have a third version of software with such bad grammar in a popup?

[potent imp]

lmao

[potent imp]

now if you somehow bypass the voltage limit and fry your processor ofc they won't cover it
but the act of overclocking doesn't void your warranty

[tepid kayak]

why tf would this even be happening

[potent imp]

it probably doesn't support integrated graphics

[vagrant smelt]

no, it doesn't

and there are dozens of posts in the Reddit thread of people who have the same issue

[tepid kayak]

that.... is really fucking stupid

[vagrant smelt]

True. Looks like the Glorious PC Master Race is not above a bit of gatekeeping for their giveaways

not that Glorious in my opinion

[tepid kayak]

the giveaway is for 2 GPUs and a powerful CPU yet it doesnt even support the most common graphics that people would have rn

[potent imp]

I would just post a ss of the error and say you have integrated graphics

[vagrant smelt]

One of the core tenets of the PCMR is accessibility: we're open for everyone as long as you got a computer

[tepid kayak]

It says it works with Laptops but seems I was wrong

[vagrant smelt]

Regardless of whether that's a top of the line gaming rig, a 15 year old laptop, a Linux server farm or even a Macbook Pro

[visual nimbus]

Maybe they mean laptops with dedicated graphics?

[drowsy latch]

☝️

[tepid kayak]

a 4080 super here can go for 2k at MSRP I can easily make a lot from it, or use it in a PC since now I dont have to sell my soul for one

and I can finally leave this craptop behind

[vagrant smelt]

excluding everyone without dedicated graphics for a GPU giveaway is like giving away free groceries and excluding everyone who is on food stamps

[patent fossil]

Isn't the program technically able to work with integrated graphics too?

Besides a discreet GPU doesn't have to be super expensive

[vagrant smelt]

I wish Nvidia understood that, because they've pretty much ignored everyone who doesn't have the budget for a 500 EUR GPU

[patent fossil]

I'm running a 6700XT
It's not glorious, it's not the newest tech, and it wasn't even the top card when it came out (not even close)

[drowsy latch]

you could do this with a used GT210

[vagrant smelt]

the 4070 is the cheapest GPU that Nvidia has from their 40 series lineup that's worth buying right now

[patent fossil]

It's also like a bottom-shelf one at that (Powercolor Hellhound)

[drowsy latch]

it sucks that it cuts out a subset of our users, but like, it doesn't make sense to deny everyone a possible opprotunity

[potent imp]

I wouldn't say that's worth buying either

[patent fossil]

Unironically that'd be the most based submission ever

"This program is so lit I can get +15% perf on my GT210"

[potent imp]

more than $500 for 12GB VRAM 💀

[tepid kayak]

I have a laptop. A laptop that is 5 years old now with only 8GB RAM and a low tier i5 with no GPU

[drowsy latch]

m.2 gpu hours

[tepid kayak]

Dell XPS 13

no dice

[drowsy latch]

weird, my XPS 13 has m.2

[tepid kayak]

mine is the 2n1 model

[drowsy latch]

and TB3 (tho that's pricey at that point)

[tepid kayak]

specific model is XPS 7390

[vagrant smelt]

And yes, I know there are GPUs from other brands, but Intel is still in the "get this only if you like to tinker" stage, and AMD is so far behind Nvidia in both market share and feature completeness that they're really only worth it for people who can't afford an Nvidia GPU. The extra features from Nvidia's higher ranked cards are worth the additional price, but that's not the case for any of Nvidia's cheaper half of the lineup

[potent imp]

I don't see anything nvidia has that makes it worth the extra money

(for gaming)

[vagrant smelt]

RTX performance? DLSS? Reflex? driver stability?

[tepid kayak]

At this point Ill take anything if its a good price.

Even a 4060ti is like 500+ Canadian....

[patent fossil]

Unironically dead wrong
AMD has better screen sharing and a couple other things
And more performance and VRAM
For less money

[potent imp]

I don't want to use raytracing anyway, I'd lose 20-40% of my frames

FSR is almost the same as DLSS

[patent fossil]

RT is still such a gimmick it's not even funny

[potent imp]

and driver stability is about the same across both AMD and NVIDIA now

[drowsy latch]

maybe maybe maybe maybe

[patent fossil]

Like I'd not turn on RT even at 1080p because you lose like over half your framerate

[potent imp]

yeah

[tepid kayak]

Honestly wasnt even expecting to win, just thought Id try it out, but no chances

[drowsy latch]

(i'm not honestly advocating this, but you could frankenstein a gpu in there if you really wanted to)

[vagrant smelt]

AMD just had 2 consecutive years where you had to use a driver from the first half of the year for most of the second half because their drivers were unstable. I know that, I lived through that on an 6700XT I paid 700 EUR for at the tail end of the GPU crisis

[tepid kayak]

I remember everyone saying that it was soldered wtf

[drowsy latch]

what gen CPU is it?

[patent fossil]

I can do 130+ min fps in CP77 at 1080p with my 6700XT

If I turn on RT the framerate tanks to like 40 minimums

[tepid kayak]

https://www.ifixit.com/Answers/View/676162/SSD+replacement+on+the+7390+2-in-1+really+not+possible

nope

[potent imp]

yeah bc AMD is so behind in RT

[vagrant smelt]

"AMD has better screen sharing"? My coworkers were complaining for months that my screen was flickering all colors of the rainbow when sharing my screen through Skype with my 6700XT

[potent imp]

but even nvidia cards lose 20-40% of their frames

closer to 40% in most games

[potent imp]

wdym better screen sharing?

[patent fossil]

Unironically don't give a flying F about that
It's better at what actually matters

[potent imp]

doesn't nvidia have the better encoder

[patent fossil]

Re-Live is a thing

[drowsy latch]

yeah, Dell and there damn "we'll use the same model classification (7390) for different models"

[potent imp]

yeah I'm not disputing what you're saying

I would never use RT personally

[patent fossil]

And it's MORE convenient than that crappy interface nGreedAI has

Anyhow I'm gonna go ahead and get to shower now and then sleep
Bye

[tepid kayak]

Never again buying Dell. I chose this over a Surface Laptop and a HP Envy. Both with IGPUs too but maybe they wouldve lasted longer...

[vagrant smelt]

Who are you to say what actually matters? Whether rasterized is more important than raytracing? Raytracing is a more accurate representation of how real world lighting, reflections and shadows work. I expect it will be commoditized in the next 1-2 generations on all major brands and consoles

Real time raytracing is becoming more accessible every generation. Both Nvidia and AMD are working towards that, and Intel as well

[drowsy latch]

tbf, i'd probably buy a dell over those, but I also compltely refuse to buy a 2 in 1, so I feel yah

[potent imp]

Yes it is more accurate, but it also fucks your framerate

Same reason people don’t play at 4K even though it looks way better

[patent fossil]

"More accurate representation" oh please come back to me when it doesn't require a 80-class card at 1080p when most people can't even afford a 60-class

[potent imp]

Exactly

[tepid kayak]

Its great tho. 5 years and only one of the fans has an actual issue

[vagrant smelt]

And Nvidia already found a solution for the performance problem, and they're working on implementing it. there's a paper on it and everything

[potent imp]

Damn, send

[tepid kayak]

although I think I fucked up my soundcard cause the speakers dont work

[patent fossil]

We were told that by now it'll be the normal

And we're still at the point that it's an arguably useless gimmick that 99% of people can't even tell of it's on, or say it looks WORSE than raster

[vagrant smelt]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AjkiBRNVeV8&t=2s

[patent fossil]

And yet all I hear is simping for nGreedAI

It's actually hilarious

[drowsy latch]

yeah, my XPS13 (standard clamshell) is about 4 years old now, and it's been a champ. I really just need to replace the battery at this point

[tepid kayak]

battery replacement and a new fan

and once the soundcard thing is done with that will be fine

[drowsy latch]

i had a similar issue, seems like windows update fixed it for me, for whatever reason

[vagrant smelt]

That's because developers are implementing it carelessly. There are definitely games where it looks better without a huge performance drop. Look at Ratchet & Clank on PC: raytracing isn't a huge drop there, but it definitely improves the quality and accuracy of reflections

[patent fossil]

Until I can play games at 70+ fps mins on a 60-class card with RT on and no upscaling I'm wholly uninterested

[potent imp]

That’s also a problem, raytracing isn’t optimized very well rn on the software side

[tepid kayak]

also just gonna say this: Windows 11 was the biggest mistake I ever made

[visual nimbus]

If a developer has to support both Raster and RT in order for their game to work on the most systems RT will be a gimmick.

[drowsy latch]

to each their own, I've been enjoying it tremendously

[vagrant smelt]

Don't look at games like Tomb Raider, look at games like Ratchet & Clank and Cyberpunk, where the developers added it as a first class feature with care.

[potent imp]

Also true

[visual nimbus]

No one wants to take the "RT only" risk (aside from Ubisoft with Avatar).

[potent imp]

Star citizen devs rn

[patent fossil]

Cyberpunk is THE single worst game to advertise RT considering how badly it runs on most PCs

[visual nimbus]

Not even SC wants to do RT only

[potent imp]

It’s so over for me when they add mandatory RT

[tepid kayak]

I dont use my mouse often. When I wanna run an app I just search it and it tends to be faster

[drowsy latch]

do you use powertools run?

[tepid kayak]

but the search menu SUCKS and the taskbar looks so ugly and basic

[potent imp]

iirc they were gonna do software rt on gpus that didnt support it

[vagrant smelt]

Why are you so opposed to upscaling? It's gotten good enough at this point that it's just free performance with barely if any visual impact

[visual nimbus]

Yes, and they do.

Which is still RT only.

[patent fossil]

Because it looks like hot fucking garbage

[vagrant smelt]

Like, DLSS looks so good now that you can't even tell the difference in a blind test

[potent imp]

Haven’t they not added RT yet

[drowsy latch]

i've seen rather good implementations of upscaling

[potent imp]

They’re still working on vulkan

[drowsy latch]

i've also seen awful implmentations

[visual nimbus]

Oh, you mean SC

[drowsy latch]

i don't think it's fair to lump everything into one group

[visual nimbus]

I have no idea.

[patent fossil]

It's NOTHING but a crutch for lazy devs that don't optimize because "DLSS will fix it it's fiiiiiiiine"

[tepid kayak]

I dont

[potent imp]

Yea

[visual nimbus]

ah yes, DLSS is a crutch which is why Starfield launched with support.

(it didn't, that's the joke)

[vagrant smelt]

There are multiple games in which professional reviewers have said DLSS rendering looks better than native. But of course, that's at 4K. I wouldn't expect someone who only talks about 1080p to have seen that

[tepid kayak]

powertoys looks interesting tho

[patent fossil]

And it runs like shit on basically everything

[drowsy latch]

it's one of my must have apps on all windows installs for me

[visual nimbus]

yeah, but they clearly weren't leaning on DLSS to solve that :D

[tepid kayak]

where did you get it?

[drowsy latch]

github, through Microsoft's org/repo

[patent fossil]

I don't like how Starfield worked it out

But I respect that they're not using upscaling as a crutch

[visual nimbus]

yeah they just raw dog the shit performance like men

[vagrant smelt]

True, DLSS doesn't look as good at 1080p as native, but at 1440p and 4K there are games like Death Stranding where DLSS upscaling (not frame smoothing) actually does look better than native rendering

[tepid kayak]

this one? https://github.com/microsoft/PowerToys/?tab=readme-ov-file

[drowsy latch]

that's the one

[patent fossil]

Wow who guessed that 4k looks better than lower resolutions

[visual nimbus]

Missed the point of the message

[patent fossil]

Remember when GPUs were able to natively render 4k?

[vagrant smelt]

I'm not talking about comparing 4K to lower resolutions. I'm talking about 4K native vs DLSS Quality upscaled to 4K

[visual nimbus]

They can still natively render those same games at 4k

Newer cards can, too.

[patent fossil]

So you're actually talking about 1440p native to 4k native

DLSS Quality upscaled native 1440p to 4k after all

So like

Did GPUs get slower, or game devs just no longer give a shit?

[vagrant smelt]

Like, look at the Hardware Unboxed comparisons, the recent LTT video on the Super cards. DLSS can and does in some cases look better than native while getting you additional performance

[drowsy latch]

@dry cosmos get in here and do your gosh darn job, jeeze

[patent fossil]

Yeah no

[visual nimbus]

Games got more complex and more complicated graphics.

[patent fossil]

Upscaling literally cannot be better than native

You can get close to native

But it'll NEVER be as good as native rendering

[dry cosmos]

uh oh

[drowsy latch]

someone on the internet has an opinion bench, and you're lazy.

[visual nimbus]

About the same time "GPUs got weaker and are real shit" techniques for rendering things changed to be better.

notice how games are larger on the disk? Similar thing.

PBR go brrrr

[vagrant smelt]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5B_dqi_Syc here's the video. It's not all games, but some games do in fact look better

[patent fossil]

I still think that saying "DLSS is better than native" is just outright simping

It will never be "better than native"

[drowsy latch]

I mean, I personally think that depends

[dry cosmos]

It depends wildly on what your native looks like

DLSS-Q will never look better than DLAA.

DLSS-Q may look better than native res with the game's stock TAA

[drowsy latch]

i'd take 4k upscaled vs 4k native without AA

[dry cosmos]

It's not just resolution

[patent fossil]

I suppose it's a matter of what you as a person can tolerate
But I am personally really sensitive to the sort of artifacting upscaling causes

It's really distracting to me

[vagrant smelt]

the 4K quality upscaling in this scene is more stable, with less flickering elements

It's from the Hardware Unboxed video I just shared

[dry cosmos]

The only artifact DLSS really has nowadays is ghosting, and even that is really minimal if you use preset C or preset E

[vagrant smelt]

roughly 15 minutes in

[patent fossil]

Imagine claiming anything after YouTube compression

[dry cosmos]

lol

I mean that's a useless comparison point

[patent fossil]

LMFAO

That's a 720p screenshot of a YT video

[vagrant smelt]

it is definitely visible throught he compression in the video itself

[dry cosmos]

Yes DLSS-Q tends to look better than Native 4k with stock TAA in death stranding. But that's a terrible way of showing that.

[patent fossil]

And then trying to use it as proof of "DLSS is better than native"

[vagrant smelt]

Like, just look at the video

[dry cosmos]

Anyways, I'll let y'all fight

have funnnn

[patent fossil]

A good anti-aliasing solution > upscaling IMO

[vagrant smelt]

In most games, native is better, I admit that, but in some games DLSS does in fact look better than native

[dry cosmos]

DLSS is an anti aliasing solution

[patent fossil]

Allegedly

[dry cosmos]

We know it is because if you disable the scaling part it still anti-aliases.

[vagrant smelt]

yeah, that's true as well: you can just do DLSS at native to native. That's called DLAA

and it's better than just about any other anti-aliasing method out there

[patent fossil]

Wait you can disable upscaling now?

[vagrant smelt]

Yeah, you can

[dry cosmos]

DLAA

[patent fossil]

Alright so there is a silver lining

[dry cosmos]

Instead of being pedantic on the internet you should pay attention to the things that solve the exact problems you're having

you might enjoy your videogames more

[patent fossil]

I play EU4 man, I don't think that's possible lmfao

(I'm entirely sarcastic here BTW)

[vagrant smelt]

But seriously, @patent fossil . All I'm asking is to not just offhandedly dismiss things people claim because you remember it not being like that in the past or in the situations you encountered. Take a look at the hardware unboxed video I linked, at full screen and the highest resolution you can show. Look at the Death Stranding, the Hogwarts Legacy and the Hitman 3 segments and listen to the commentary. Those are 3 games they show footage of that they personally considered to have the then-current version of DLSS Quality at 4K provide a better picture quality than Native 4K. DLSS had less flickering in see-through textures like foliage and cages

[patent fossil]

I have done that exactly before

It wasn't really convincing to me

[vagrant smelt]

for example: I believe this should be a 4K frame capture. Look at the golden cage at the top of the screen

[patent fossil]

It's ñot like I haven't seen the video before

[vagrant smelt]

you can clearly see that the 4K cage has artifacting while the DLSS quality cage has not

[patent fossil]

You're really, REALLY trying to find the smallest thing to grasp on to proclaim DLSS as the "winner"

[drowsy latch]

well both of you accept neither of you are going to convince one another and move on with your lives?

or maybe just get a room

[patent fossil]

I've made my opinion clear

So like

Pls stop the pinging

I'm gonna move along

[drowsy latch]

just disengage, and move on

[vagrant smelt]

Same, I'm going to move along as well

[tepid kayak]

xess is actually better than fsr too lol

[vagrant smelt]

I moved on, why didn't you?

but yeah, I agree with that as well

[tepid kayak]

Wasn't even in the convo

Just the first thing I saw

[vagrant smelt]

Like, it's fine to say FSR is a good alternative to DLSS, but it's like the 3rd best upscaling solution right now. To paraphrase a forum signature I once saw about a different topic: "saying FSR is better than DLSS because it works on all cards is like saying butt sex is better than vaginal sex because it works on all genders

Like, many people like it, but it's not a solution that everyone is comfortable with

[vocal spindle]

ohhh kay... 😀

[potent imp]

💀

yea

if we comparing upscaling give lossless images

[woeful wedge]

that's actually not true. Ownership of a computer is not required.

Not being able to participate in all events is fine. There's plenty others.

[woeful wedge]

Should work fine in laptops. I have tried it in a couple.

[tepid kayak]

Igpu

[woeful wedge]

yeah, it has to have a dgpu

[tepid kayak]

Bruh

[wintry fern]

yay

PEDRO SPEAK

[woeful wedge]

yaaaaay

[cosmic echo]

I don't think my gpu is able to oc though 😦

[high berry]

you just have to download the app and pick a font

then post the font and explain why you picked it

[grave cedar]

What app