CES 2024 - Nvidia Just announced th

[sacred lava]

I'm never going to financially recover from this.

[tall otter]

but can they run crysis

[brittle sluice]

Mortgage required to purchase

[tall otter]

iirc the 4070 super is like $600

and the 4080 super is $999

[acoustic vector]

Same launch price as the regular 4070 last year, but with more performance.

Boy, do I feel sorry for all those people who bought the regular 4070's.

[sour kettle]

I got my 4080 for $1000 after tax, I’m curious about the benchmarks of the performance difference since NVIDIA’s graphs could be fluffing the numbers a bit.

[acoustic vector]

Yeah, I'm also curious as to how better these super versions of the GPU's are.

Also, hopefully, this'll mean the regular versions go on a discount.

[velvet robin]

I'll be able to post a bit more later today, after some embargos lift

[tall otter]

pedro jumpscare

[velvet robin]

And i'll probably be at the nvidia showfloor tomorrow, so will be able eto post anything extra that they may have here

[sacred lava]

Based on initial impression the hype looks real for this rev. The prices seem very right. Tentatively waiting for indy benchmarks. Which should drop today.

Not to exclude AMD here but the 7600 XT looks great too. $330 16gb card.

[blissful solstice]

cycle confirmed
then 5080 will be $999 msrp and sell out instantly
the 6080 will be $1499 and sell poorly, so a 6080 super will come out for $1299, also setting the 7080 to $1299 msrp
👊

and they say being an analyst is hard smh

[clever temple]

💪

[velvet robin]

PCMR MEGATHREAD WITH MORE INFO, SPECS AND DISCUSSION: https://www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/comments/191p4wm/nvidia_super_series_cards_announced_at_ces/

[velvet robin]

How do you feel about these nvidia performance promises?

4080 Super will perform about 2.5 times better than a 3080Ti.
4070 Ti Super will perform about 2.5 times better than a 3070Ti.
4070 Super will be faster than a 3090.

(always wait for independent benchmarks first)

[pine canopy]

hi pedro

[clever temple]

Since they are counting frame gen in I don't take them for the actual numbers as it's quite messy rn

[lean karma]

4070 Super seems promising, but it's a missed opportunity to give it 16gb of vram.

[sturdy vortex]

If 4070 super beating 3090 ends up being consistently true, people will find me crying into my 3090

[velvet robin]

Apparently it's faster even without frame gen

And 1.5x with

But we'll see

[sacred lava]

When does Nvidia embargo end?

Hmm I figured review embargos would end today but looks like another week or so.

[paper lantern]

4070 super here I come :)

[vital swan]

Should I get some tissue?

[sturdy vortex]

Send plenty

[vital swan]

Will do

I do have a slight feeling these numbers are skewed

Even a 4090 doesn’t do 2.5x of a 3080ti iirc

[vital swan]

Arent review embargo’s a day before launch?

Or was it day of?

[pallid isle]

Theyre probably using frame gen fps

When should we expect benchmarks by reputable channels? Like, in 1-2 weeks?

Or do they tend to get it early

[vital swan]

Depends on the card

The reviewers likely already have their test samples

[pallid isle]

The 4080 super

I’m curious how it fares against 7900xtx

Since they’re almost the exact same price

[vital swan]

Likely equal or possibly slightly better

And since it’s nvidia, there’s better drivers, AI, ML and RT.

This feels to be nvidia trying to seal up AMD

[pallid isle]

Time for the 7999XTXtxtxtxtx

[lean karma]

weren't 4080 and 7900 XTX extremely similar in raster performance? Might give 4080 Super the edge with that price point now, especially since the RT performance was already better

[vital swan]

Yeah that was the thought process behind this I think

Cuz this effectively just killed AMD’s flagship while generating nvidia even more money

[lean karma]

AMD could potentially drop the price by like $100 and it could help them

[rancid crag]

Yeah as a 7900xtx owner this looks really promising and I might have to switch

[pallid isle]

Switching and spending 1k for a 5% improvement?

[lean karma]

if I'm getting one of these, it'd either be the 4070 super or 4070 ti super.. $1000 is still to much for a GPU imo

[rancid crag]

Yeah

[vital swan]

Yeah the pricing is still absurd

[pallid isle]

Tisuper, get that extra vram to future proof

[lean karma]

yea that was my thought process, but also my bf said he may get me a new gpu for my bday so I'm simply at the whim of whatever he wants to buy at the time. I'd happily take either one of those GPUs for free

they're both pretty good compared to my 3070

[meager elbow]

Coincidentally just in time for Intel battlemage?

[vital swan]

WAIT THAT

WHAT

BATTLEMAGE WHEN?

[meager elbow]

Sometime this year. I believe it was expected q1 or q2.

[lean karma]

was kinda hoping they'd make a CES announcement too

[meager elbow]

Expectations were 4070-4080 performance.

[lean karma]

but it doesn't seem likely

thats pretty good for just being gen 2

[meager elbow]

Nvidia probably trying to make sure it’s dead on arrival.

[lean karma]

intel might price theirs better

[meager elbow]

$500 was projection.

So probably $600-700 for aib cards

[lean karma]

plus, intel came out with XeSS rather quickly to compete with DLSS 2, so I wouldn't be surprised if their frame gen version comes out with battlemage

[meager elbow]

I would be very careful with mistaking Nvidia for altruistic.

No matter how good their offerings get the moment they have competition.

[vital swan]

OHHHHH

OH FOR REAL?

Man I rlly thought it was gonna be at like 2025

[vital swan]

Honestly I kinda doubt it

A lot of intel AIBs dell for the same as intel themselves

And besides 500 for 4070-4080 perf is crazy high

[pallid isle]

Is that the goal?

Or is that like leaked data

[vital swan]

No idea that’s what cash said

I’m hoping it’s true

I’m really looking forward to an intel competition in higher budgets as well

[meager elbow]

This was what the rumourmill said.

[vital swan]

Ah I see

[pallid isle]

God I wish intel would compete and lower the price like that

A circle jerk of price lowering

Make it go back to 5-600 dollars for higher end cards please

Not saying flagship

Just, higher end

I’m tired of the second or 3rd best cards costing 800-900

[meager elbow]

I remember when $400 would get you a high end card.

[pallid isle]

Yeahhhh

I remember too

[meager elbow]

The before times.

[pallid isle]

Sigh

[mental leaf]

Msrp for base super: one zillion dollars

[lean karma]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxRa-SWI6xY

[blissful solstice]

I’m hoping this black look is here to stay

[lean karma]

ikr, it looks great

[viral wraith]

Wait for 50 series lol

Headlining feature of 40 series was frame gen and now 20 and 30 series has it 🤡

[sturdy vortex]

Wait what? Frame gen is coming to Turing and Ampere?

[lean karma]

I think they just meant FSR3

[sturdy vortex]

Possibly

[viral wraith]

yes

I don’t see a point in upgrading as a 30 series owner

[lean karma]

Well DLSS3 is obviously visually better than FSR3, but FSR3 doesn't look to bad in my experience with the cyberpunk mod for it. It looks alright

[viral wraith]

I can lose some image quality for almost double frames lol

[lean karma]

My bf plays Jurassic World Evolution 2 a lot and DLSS3 frame gen just looks so clean in it when you couple it with the correct DLSS2 version.

Also, I tried cyberpunk on his 4070 and my god.. its so smooth when you enable frame gen

FSR3 feels weird when I enable it

[viral wraith]

Also right now with the fsr 3 mod it uses dlss pipeline, so dlss image quality with fsr frame gen if Im not mistaken

[lean karma]

like there's a subtle stutter I can't quite unsee

[viral wraith]

It’s not the official implementation, I assume that’ll be fixed in the official one

Dunno when that’ll be though, all we know is just “early 2024”

[lean karma]

yes well I've tried it in official implementations and that weird stuttery feel is still there.. Digital Foundry folks noticed the same thing though so I guess it's something going on with how FSR3 functions

[meager elbow]

Isn’t the job of a gpu to produce frames in the first place? /r/showerthoughts

[viral wraith]

It’s still early tech so I’m curious to see how it’ll be in say a year or so

Originally I was planning on upgrading to a 4070 (this was months and months ago, before we heard anything about fsr 3), but now I think I’ll wait for 5000

[vital swan]

thats coming q4 2024 earliest and q1 2025 latest

[meager elbow]

What does offbrand canadian mean?

[vital swan]

Canadian, but knock-off

offbrand sounds nicer tho

[meager elbow]

Canada is just knock off Norway in the first place though

I’m joking ofc.

[vital swan]

nah man child of Franch and USA

pbut what they didnt know was that usa cheated with norway

[meager elbow]

I meant the climate and animal life etc.

[vital swan]

in terms of bio life we are pretty different but yeah i see how climate goes

but thats only in the upper half of canada that nobody lives in lol

[meager elbow]

I mean. We both got a shitload of moose etc.

[meager elbow]

Ah, I see.

[vital swan]

except we get more wolves :D

also our moose are always pissed off

[meager elbow]

Moose are generally antisocial.

[meager elbow]

Farmers kept getting mad that their free grassing sheep got killed by wolves so they shot them all.

[vital swan]

oh we did that too

apparently theres still 60k

somehow

[meager elbow]

Damn, I guess we’re just better at everything including hunting wolves

Any excuse to take a helicopter ride with a hunting rifle I guess.

[vital swan]

nono theres one thing yall way worse at

[meager elbow]

Pissing off americans?

That’s a proximity thing.

[vital swan]

that and pissing off your own people

[meager elbow]

We had our own Trudeau before it was hip.

[vital swan]

LMFAO

[meager elbow]

He lived up the street and runs Nato now.

[vital swan]

oh...

[meager elbow]

Atleast he’s not in local politics anymore.

[vital swan]

he's moved on to fucking the entire west

[meager elbow]

Before that he made a terrible deal with Putin over the gas reserves in the north sea.

[viral wraith]

I can wait

[vital swan]

damn ok

[velvet robin]

Here are the ASUS and Gigabyte 4070 Supers.

[pine canopy]

Sick

[velvet robin]

And here you can see literally all of them

[velvet robin]

Asking AI the real questions.

[pallid isle]

Ask him if he prefers… melons or peaches

[vital swan]

“I prefer bananas”

[pallid isle]

Also a good answer

[vital swan]

[uneven moss]

Think i'll wait till 2025 to upgade gpu. If nvidia is gonna tripple their gpu prices, i shall demand 4x performance gain per card to make price worth the upgrade instead :P

[lean karma]

kinda disappointing.. that AI is playing a character so it should have to decide instead of doing the typical "make everyone happy" response.

[velvet robin]

Yeah, although I believe you'll be able to pre program certain tastes in them

But as blank slate they are just chat gpt with a voice box

[vital swan]

So basically just add a microphone and text to speech on GPT4… why is that innovative?

[meager elbow]

The more you buy the more you save

[uneven moss]

In this case yes. The more you buy, the more time you save.

For us who has time, we save money

In nvidia's case, it's basically just a "fuck you, we saw shortage prices sold hotstuff, so we kept hotstuff price and people still pay"

[meager elbow]

It's almost as if they have no real competition and could get away with murder.

[uneven moss]

Pretty much. AMD is quite getting there hardware wise, but it's also the software that lacks. they add all forms of neon and pretty colors, but forgetting if the damn functions under the hood works lol

[meager elbow]

I heard they killed @drowsy yarrow's sister.

[pallid isle]

That’s fair, no wonder why it felt so lifeless to me

[lean karma]

AI feels kinda lifeless anyway.

[rare inlet]

i bought a 4070 ti

like

1 week ago

i didn't know this would happen 💀

like its naming will the ti super have more performance

[pallid isle]

Ripppp

[pallid isle]

Yes

Most importantly it has 4gb more of vram

[rare inlet]

how much

DAMMIT

eh

[pallid isle]

Some triple A titles are pushing the 12 gb mark this year already

[rare inlet]

i actually don't really care

[pallid isle]

Yeah there’s always gonna be a buyers remorse

I got the 4070 a month before the 60 dollar price drop

[rare inlet]

ill just turn on resizable bar

[pallid isle]

Ignore the market

[viral wraith]

like what and what res??

[rare inlet]

2k prob

[viral wraith]

only one i can think of is tlou and that’s been fixed pretty good

[rare inlet]

i get like

[viral wraith]

ah bruh i don’t even play those sports games

[rare inlet]

95 fps on ray tracing overdrive (cyberpunk 2077)

on the 4070 ti

so i think i'll be fine.

like

[pallid isle]

And now I can’t find the video on it brb lol

I’ll let u know if I find it again

https://youtu.be/H-G35j4nsr8?si=tPK9-0cy-e8_At_G

TLOU

[mental leaf]

12gb minimum

[pallid isle]

Allocates close to 13

12*

[mental leaf]

Dudes probably being paid by nvidia

TFW your low end card gets the shit beaten out of it by a card half its price

[pallid isle]

Over drive?

Like the highest highest setting?

[rare inlet]

yes

[pallid isle]

I thought even the 4090 struggled with it

Is it with frame gen

[rare inlet]

no

with frame gen i get 105

[pallid isle]

Huh, maybe they optimized the game more then

[rare inlet]

yeah

it

its like 2.1 now

its a good game but i have seen my fair share of bugs

like 8 hrs in rn

[pallid isle]

I’m so glad I started later

[rare inlet]

lol same

anyways time to build rockets in lego fortnite

💀

[pallid isle]

Resident evil 4 (remake?)

K maybe not triple A titles

But still

1440p pushing 11gb of vram, that’s a little much

[viral wraith]

instead of making cards with more vram devs should actually optimise games 🤡

[brittle sluice]

there's money to be made in selling more memory, not optimizations

[velvet robin]

This question was more interesting. You can actually tweak their personalities and tastes in the fly. I'm guessing they would have some interest in the ones they ate displaying being somewhat neutral.

[pallid isle]

yo I got the best no bullshit summary recommended to me on youtube

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YntTzgx9b2M

[viral wraith]

seems like they’re more interested in doing random ai shit instead of making better cards

the whole 40 series was just ai frame gen not actual raster improvements

which is.. you know actual performance improvement..

[drowsy yarrow]

They showed off what a Skyrim modder did months before, they plugged an NPC into ChatGPT

[sturdy vortex]

Ada cards are faster and more power efficient than Ampere

[drowsy yarrow]

Although some cards barely fit the definition of "faster" compared to Ampere

Definitely more power efficient tho

[sturdy vortex]

Yea the faster part is harder to talk about below 4070ti

[viral wraith]

meaningful performance improvements not some single digit performance improvements, and i guess power efficiency is just to be expected at this point

these should be the baseline things they should go above and beyond to charge the nvidia premium

[drowsy yarrow]

People actually expected Ada to be a lot less power efficient

[sturdy vortex]

I hope this efficiency trend continues

[viral wraith]

i wonder how far my 5800x3d will go until i need to buy am5 😦

at that point may as well just build a new pc

[sturdy vortex]

Compare 3090 to 4090. That is averaging more than single digit % increase

[viral wraith]

maybe late 25 or early 26, built mine in late 21

[viral wraith]

why not 3090 ti and 4090?

[sturdy vortex]

Still there

Probably going to upgrade to Nvidia's next generation of GPUs, assuming they are good of course

[viral wraith]

look at that performance upgrade

compared to that

[uneven moss]

Damn, if 4090 is only 163% relative difference, and my demands was "4x better performance over my 3090, i might be looking at 7-8000 series nvidia cards lol

[viral wraith]

bros gonna wait until 2040 to upgrade 💀

[latent gust]

Wait, its more expensive?

[vital swan]

Nope same price

Wait but I’m pretty sure 4070S is 69@

699

Nope 599

[lean karma]

yea the new pricing for the supers is either the same or cheaper (4080S is $200 cheaper on average)

[feral orchid]

I might use one of the 4080 SUPERs for my PC build that I will do over the summer as an upgrade to my existing pre built PC.

[viral wraith]

make sure ur psu can handle it lol

almost if not all pre builts use some cheap psu because they know most people won't care and/or won't know

[feral orchid]

I may use an 850W or 1000W power supply unit so I think it should be able to handle it :)

[uneven moss]

4090 is 60% better ish than 3090, so I might be looking at 70-8090 lol. Especially if Nvidia will keep their Rona scalper prices

[viral wraith]

you can say that about every single generation

all the tech youtubers be like “don’t buy this generation! wait for the next, massive improvements!” and they’ll say this forever

“so when are you supposed to buy a gpu?” “next generation!”

[meager elbow]

Designer leather jackets are expensive.

[uneven moss]

It is, especially if there was suddenly a material shortage for that jacket, supply and demand jacked prices to be 2x, and once materials were normal stock again, they keep the prices

[meager elbow]

Whoah, what are you trying to insinuate here?

[uneven moss]

Remember 700 buck 3080? Now 4080 is increased by 80% to 1200 bucks

Price to performance gain is literally "the same price" lol

[meager elbow]

The more you buy the more you pay.

[clever temple]

not bad for their side gig lol

[vital swan]

Which is honestly kinda sad considering it shouldn’t have been like this

I mean hey at least the 4080S is gonna close that gap but it’s still kinda sucks

[meager elbow]

Inb4 it costs 4090 launch prices in Norway.

[vital swan]

Lmfao

And 4090s gonna reach unprecedented prices

Also known as future 5090 prices

[feral orchid]

Lmao the RTX 5090 might have prices double than the 4090 XD.

Only my prediction haha.

[clever temple]

is there a basis or just sledging

[vital swan]

It wont be that absurd no

[viral wraith]

you never know, nvidia loves that money

[clever temple]

amds even worse man charging $900+ for 4070ti rt performance and slightly unstable drivers

[pine canopy]

are you refering to the 7900xtx?

RT isn't what everyone is looking at, lol

[clever temple]

Tough to justify a 4k gaming card without RT since every new visually appealing title uses it for lighting yknow

[pine canopy]

Depends on the game
and the person
for example, imo, hogwarts legacy with raytracing vs without raytracing max settings are similar, so i'd rather the extra performance without the RT, espeicailly if i was on a budget

[clever temple]

oh I didnt mean anything for budget builds just talking about the pricepoint for their flagships

pretty sure amd aces anything under $500 for a gpu which is what most people require

[pine canopy]

Well even then, the 4070ti costs 700$, you are paying 200$ extra for double the VRAM, which will allow it to push slightly better performance in situations where the 12gb vram might be insufficent

And offering better rasterization performance, which helps if you're trying to acheive higher frame rates, without spending much more and caring about raytracing.
Some people don't find raytracing appealing that much, or think its worth it for the performance decrease, and that varies from game to game, so as of the time of speaking, the persons choice would depend on his perference, what he cares about and what he favours instead.

[clever temple]

Thing is, the 7900xtx isn't designed for individual preference. Its designed to compete against the NVIDIA flagships, and it would be a real pity if the guy who spent 5 lunches more than you on a GPU has a huge edge on you in terms of overall software support and all the new titles

Of course it is worth for anyone who has the exact needs that ignore the constraints it has, but its not really providing much of competition in the market on a large scale and basically letting NVIDIA price whatever they price their GPUs at and still make a killing

Hell, on most threads out there people would rather pay $200 more for slightly worse raster performance just for those additional features

[pine canopy]

I do not believe the 7900xtx is specifically designed for a certain thing, It is a product which excels in certain workloads and falls in some, and for your specific use case, you can look at the performance it offers and compare it to what you prefer (e.g 3d rendering? raytracing? gaming? and so on)
the 7900xtx can be considered a "4k" card to an extent, regarding raytracing, in 4k, as you mentioned, you notice how badly the 4070ti dips in performance vs the 7900xtx, which is probably due to the insufficent VRAM that certain demanding titles require, if you look at the 4070ti super, which is 100$ off the 7900xtx, it offers 4gb more vram, slightly better performance than the 4070ti, while still not beating the 7900xtx on raster, and more so being on par with a 7900xt in non-rt performance. so even if we look at that, the 7900xtx would still overall be the better value pick than any of these, and as i mentioned, its very much dependant on what games the person plays and what they prefer, if i am playing an FPS shooter game, i do not need raytracing, and i'd rather have rasterization performance, or in a game where raytracing barely matters, and i'd just enjoy performance in ultra settings, all these factors determine what would be the pick for you and your budget, and what these GPUS would cost in your region.

[clever temple]

you keep comparing it with 4070ti super or 4070ti, while the real competition is the 4080 super at around $50 more (just have to wait for drops)

[pine canopy]

Cheapest 4080super as in the time of speaking is 1150$, nvidia gpus espeically the high end ones are instable in prices.

So you cannot really bet on them for the most part

And AMD doesn't really have a gpu that competes with the 4090 generally

but that doesn't make the 4090 good, its out of the budget range for the majority of average consumers, and is considerably overkill sometimes.

[clever temple]

that is also not the case, keep an eye out for physical stores and such and you WILL find one

[pine canopy]

Thats backordered though, but sure, thats 150$ more

4080super is quite frankly a slightly more efficent 4080

barely a increase in performance, i'd consider it negligble for the most part.

[clever temple]

Personalized opinion once again, while I meant it in the competitive context. I guess AMD cards being better value in someones eye and nvidia being overpriced would continue to go on..

[pine canopy]

Its not a personalized opinion, the 4080super is a 4080, it barely performs any better, you can look up their benchmarks and see how its quite frankly a cheaper 4080.

[clever temple]

I hope you do see what makes 4080s sell harder despite being 'weaker without rt' and why nvidia has all the mindshare for flagships and can price whatever they want