#Proposal to revise the ?distro command

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rugged salmon
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If you mix packages you may break the system.

quasi crystal
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debian wiki says if you mix ubuntu and debian packages you get a frankendebian and you dont get support

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which is precisely what mint does

rugged salmon
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To be fair Linux Mint has a Debian edition too.

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Although the Ubuntu version is better imo.

mystic beacon
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Probably a good idea

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It was getting too late last night haha

supple ridge
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good morning

mystic beacon
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Done

mystic beacon
rugged salmon
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Logos broke?

supple ridge
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it got hungry

mystic beacon
# rugged salmon Logos broke?

I tried fixing them but it's hard on a phone, keeps trying to resize em, so I left it like that so someone with a mouse can fix it

foggy maple
mystic beacon
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I havnt gotten around to ranking them yet although I don't rate pop too highly

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Lots of installation issues in my experience

rugged salmon
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I did hear about some peeps havin' issues installin' it.

mystic beacon
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The installer just craps itself after partitioning sometimes

rugged salmon
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For me it did work seamlessly though.

mystic beacon
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Good

rugged salmon
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Dunno what is different on my rig?

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I wonder what would be the cause.

mystic beacon
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This was in a VM and a few people had the same problem in hardware

rugged salmon
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On bare metal it did work.

charred sluice
rugged salmon
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Fits with the planet theme I guess.

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Cosmic and stuff.

rugged salmon
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I updated the text of each distro a little.

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Added some caveats like the Pop! installer maybe not workin'.

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Any distro's we want to specifically recommend?

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Like the monitor list people?

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If people have any suggestions to improve the current description feel free to mention it.

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If you guys and gals are happy with it I'll make a command and submit a PR to the PCMR Gitlab.

gaunt current
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maybe we could put our top three on the actual command's text for quick viewing

rugged salmon
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Sure

gaunt current
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rn they seem to be kubuntu, nobara, and endeavour

rugged salmon
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I think Nobara, Kubuntu are solid options.

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Dunno about Endeavour tbh.

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?distro

balmy zincBOT
rugged salmon
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I don't understand the OpenSuse recommendation tbh.

gaunt current
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endeavour is one of our top three rated

rugged salmon
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Not really a beginner distro is it?

gaunt current
balmy zincBOT
gaunt current
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kek

rugged salmon
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Maybe there are some historical reasons for it.

rugged salmon
charred sluice
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what is nobara im curious

rugged salmon
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@onyx rain what do you think: [outdated google link]?

gaunt current
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maybe say something like These are our top three recommendations (in order of easyness): kubuntu, nobara, and endeavour

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but in a bulleted list so it looks cool

rugged salmon
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This should be a view only link btw.

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Should be fine if peeps are worry about that.

gaunt current
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it is view only

rugged salmon
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If Allur wants to join the list I can add Alluring Peugeut 508 as a contributer.

gaunt current
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also the other link no longer works so none of us are gonna have access

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or maybe its just me

rugged salmon
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Huh nani.

charred sluice
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ok but what is nobara im curious

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ive never heard of it as a distro

rugged salmon
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So you can only have one active link at a time?

gaunt current
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its fedora but with some really good changes by gloriouseggroll

gaunt current
rugged salmon
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Okay mb then.

onyx rain
rugged salmon
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Did I miss any contributers?

ApartGorgon
Bread
i_m_cool_80
Emica
Kenzie
Spagett
Veink
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Yeah Wooper

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Mb

gaunt current
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oh yeah wooper

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gotta add them to the credits

rugged salmon
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Yup I added them.

gaunt current
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nice

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huh now the link is comment only

stoic geyser
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Also, I don't have edit privileges on the sheet

rugged salmon
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Sec I'll just add all peeps here as a contributer again.

gaunt current
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cool

stoic geyser
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If you need my email, I'll send it

gaunt current
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same

rugged salmon
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And now?

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Refresh

gaunt current
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i can edit now :)

stoic geyser
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Editor

rugged salmon
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Okay good kinda didn't want to resend the link xD.

stoic geyser
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Uh, my total is failing to compute

gaunt current
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yeah the alpine one is busted for me

rugged salmon
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Instead of dot use a comma.

gaunt current
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gorgon its because you used a decimal point instead of comma

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europe moment

stoic geyser
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Alright

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It should be locale independent, but whatever

gaunt current
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what just happened

stoic geyser
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What happened

rugged salmon
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I tried addin' a filter.

gaunt current
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ah

rugged salmon
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I can undo sec.

stoic geyser
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I was just reading, and saw everything was gone

rugged salmon
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Sry mb.

stoic geyser
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It's okay

rugged salmon
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I wanted to add a filter on difficulty and package manager and DE if the user was interested in that.

gaunt current
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i dont think the list is really big enough for that to matter

rugged salmon
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Sure

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I wonder why this text cuts off:

onyx rain
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should be obvious but turns out it’s not for some…

rugged salmon
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Wait wat?

gaunt current
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yeah idk whats up with that

rugged salmon
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Peeps meming lol.

gaunt current
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how do you get rid of that

rugged salmon
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Click on the purple arrow in the corner.

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And remove the text.

gaunt current
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nice

rugged salmon
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You guys and gals can take a last look at it and tweak the description if you like.

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Tomorrow I'll see if I can make a throw away credit card to get the Gitlab CI/CD to run.

supple ridge
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alpine has a higher rating than arch?

gaunt current
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yeah that is admittedly a little werid

stoic geyser
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Alpine has fewer scores than arch

rugged salmon
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It's within the margin of error tbh.

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If we rounded it down to one decimal instead the diff would vanish.

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Note that there may be some bias at play here since peeps might know x distro better.

quasi crystal
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i am going to be switzerland

supple ridge
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i just don’t think alpine is as practical as the rest. i mean, you can’t use nvidia properly. that’s all i really have to say.

supple ridge
stoic geyser
quasi crystal
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no, that would be the vatican city

stoic geyser
quasi crystal
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oh

silent knoll
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link to the google doc?

rugged salmon
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If you add anythin' or have useful feedback don't forget to leave a comment, so that I can give you proper credit:

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💜

silent knoll
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how would we rate ubuntu?

rugged salmon
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I forgot to add that distro tbh.

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I guess most peeps just went with Ubuntu.

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We can add it if you want.

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I dunno how to add it without breakin' the rating system. I'll have to ask Cool-kun later.

quasi crystal
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unless shitposting here counts as help?

silent knoll
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also what about kde neon and vanillaos

quasi crystal
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never heard of vanillaos

stoic geyser
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We don't support vanilla os

stoic geyser
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Enough said

silent knoll
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quasi crystal
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ah

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meme distro

silent knoll
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if we put ubuntu in avoid what will be the reason

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also have some suggestions for server distros too

rugged salmon
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Debian, Rocky Linux, Alma Linux, Ubuntu Server?

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We can add that sure.

silent knoll
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what about clear linux?

rugged salmon
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I have never used that distro tbh.

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Dunno

stoic geyser
silent knoll
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is it abandoned?

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or still get updated frequently

quasi crystal
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what about nix os

silent knoll
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maybe

stoic geyser
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Absolutely not

silent knoll
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why

stoic geyser
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I hate nix with a passion, plus global configuration makes it a pain to figure out why your system is broken, or to just use it like a normal system

quasi crystal
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ditto

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which is why we should put it in avoid

stoic geyser
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There are certainly use cases for nix, just not as a general desktop distribution

silent knoll
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can everyone contributing to the google doc view my email

stoic geyser
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I think so

rugged salmon
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You can contribute anonymously too.

silent knoll
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does nixos include a de by default or it is user decided

silent knoll
stoic geyser
silent knoll
stoic geyser
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You can just build it from source, and install it with the buildsystem

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You can't on nix

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You would need to write a nix config for the package

rugged salmon
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Isn't the AUR the same vibe tbh Gorgon?

stoic geyser
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You can just build something from source code

silent knoll
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lmao bread is in the credit list

stoic geyser
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Yes, bread did leave his votes

rugged salmon
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Is higher or lower better in the bug field?

quasi crystal
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lower better

stoic geyser
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Lower is better

quasi crystal
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score = ($install + $ease_of_use + (10 - $bugs) + $docs)/4

stoic geyser
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I remember when I wrote a version of breads uwu compression format in python lol

quasi crystal
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the what now

stoic geyser
quasi crystal
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the what archive format

stoic geyser
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The uwu format

quasi crystal
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show

stoic geyser
quasi crystal
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uwu/linux

stoic geyser
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The uwu attachment is what you are looking for

quasi crystal
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what the fuck

stoic geyser
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Ask bread

quasi crystal
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i have underestimated the levels of autistic (in a positive way)

stoic geyser
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I didn't write it, bread did

quasi crystal
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i know that

stoic geyser
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I did port it to python for the memes though

quasi crystal
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now do it in C

rugged salmon
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Mastus suggest adding a relative field marker $, so the whole spreadsheet doesn't break if we add a new distro.

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Or change the order in the future.

stoic geyser
silent knoll
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how do I expand the tile

stoic geyser
stoic geyser
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Alright

silent knoll
stoic geyser
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Should be under format

rugged salmon
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If you want more vertical space press alt + enter.

silent knoll
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figured that out

rugged salmon
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Added ya to the list Pentium:

silent knoll
silent knoll
stoic geyser
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working on it @quasi crystal

rugged salmon
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Okay time for me to go to bed it is gettin' late.

stoic geyser
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good night emica

silent knoll
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would we have a distro in the list that's 8/10 or higher

quasi crystal
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i am cooking incredibly

silent knoll
quasi crystal
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you should install gentoo NOW

silent knoll
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gentoo users compiling firefox balls for every 0.1 picosecond

quasi crystal
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emerge -av firefox-bin

silent knoll
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what about ubuntu

gaunt current
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Wow I missed a lot

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i dont think we should put ubuntu in the avoid at all costs category, but maybe we could make a "be wary of" category

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nix would probabyl fit there better than in avoid

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Im actually just gonna go ahead and do that

quasi crystal
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hey coolman

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could you set a very cropped version of this image as the difficulty for pentest distros

gaunt current
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that being said, i think we might run into some issues with highly recommending kubuntu but not recommending ubuntu

quasi crystal
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very good

gaunt current
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considering that kubuntu has all the same snap-related issues as ubuntu, im actually a bit more hesitant to recommend it and not recommend ubuntu

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it seems hypocritical

quasi crystal
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what issues

gaunt current
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maybe controversy is more accurate

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any other distros i should write a hit piece on?

quasi crystal
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why does kubuntu say muon package manager

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i thought thats kde neon

gaunt current
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what

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could be both, idk

quasi crystal
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oh its a frontend for apt

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alright

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oh neon has pkcon

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alright

gaunt current
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do we want to make a blurb about DEs?

supple ridge
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all bloat KappaLinus

gaunt current
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or maybe just a whole page about the big things to think about when picking a distro

stoic geyser
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possibly the jankiest way to check a file extension lol

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@quasi crystal making some progress

quasi crystal
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good night chat

gaunt current
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gn

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i wrote some stuff about DEs

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its kinda bad

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ill look at it again tomorrow

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do we maybe just want to get the command set up and then we can keep editing even after its working

mystic beacon
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I've given a window manager description on the sheets

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I can't do newlines though cause of mobile so if someone could just alt+enter it a couple times that would be great

foggy maple
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This is probably me just caring too much but idk how to feel about these changes

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A lot of these just seem weird

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It reads out like a personal opinion and not a description

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Not sure about this snap issue part

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I dont really think its that big of deal

mystic beacon
foggy maple
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@gaunt current can we get more objective descriptions please

foggy maple
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Also some snap optimization isnt really a good reason to recommend ubuntu over kubuntu but thats just me

foggy maple
foggy maple
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Where did this come from

boreal bone
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I know this is supposed to be for beginner distros, but what about a little section for server ones? (Like ubuntu & fedora server)

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Also could someone sned a screenshot of what we currently have?

mystic beacon
rugged salmon
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Mastu from #macos found it a bit strange that we do recommend Kubuntu but not Ubuntu.

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Since they suffer from the same issues tbh.

gaunt current
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i think i mentioned that as well

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ubuntu does have the added problem of their yaru theme making things difficult, but the other stuff is still problematic on kubuntu

rugged salmon
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Is that goin' to matter a lot for most peeps?

rugged salmon
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My main wish is introducing a $ in the columns so the whole calculation doesn't break every time we add a new distro.

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I kinda like the list to be maintainable in the future.

foggy maple
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Ubuntu is literally just kubuntu with plasma preinstalled

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I dont see why Ubuntu was put in the be wary of part

rugged salmon
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Not blaming anyone here just givin' Mastu's feedback.

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I feel like a lotta peeps don't like Ubuntu for obvious reasons like Snap.

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But unfortunately it is still the most go to distro for newbies.

foggy maple
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Also are we sticking with these jokes

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I can understand the avoid ones but idk about be wary since they are still an option

rugged salmon
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Do we really want to spend time rating distros we don't recommend anyway?

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We could either keep the jokes or remove the entire section tbh.

foggy maple
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🤷‍♂️ these ones we dont recommend are in the avoid section

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Also i switched up ubuntu some

rugged salmon
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I'll take a look at it after work.

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Ty for the contributions Wooper 💜

foggy maple
quasi crystal
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wooper what is on Y1000

foggy maple
foggy maple
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Also should snap be listed since its a secondary package manager

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Feel like if snap is there flatpak should be too idk

quasi crystal
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but ubuntu doesnt come with flatpak preinstalled

rugged salmon
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If we use that logic technically every distro can pretty much use Snap.

gaunt current
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we can add flatpak to distros that come with it preinstalled

rugged salmon
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Sure

foggy maple
rugged salmon
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Ubuntu removed first party Flatpak support

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They double downed on Snap.

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Btw if you move stuff make sure it doesn't mess with the rating numbers on the second tab.

stoic geyser
rugged salmon
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For now just do apt + snap.

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Let's not get ahead of ourselves and speculate.

undone pollen
rugged salmon
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Why is ZorinOS not in the avoid section tbh?

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Or is it semi bearable?

gaunt current
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its still bearable, its just still using gnome 3 for some reason

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idk its weird

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i think they updated the base to the latest ubuntu, but not the DE

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they have a lot of custom extensions for it so theyre probably still working on updating that or something

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version 17 is supposed to come out within the year so i guess we'll see what happens

rugged salmon
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Cool-kun is it possible to add $ to the sheet to make it more maintainable?

gaunt current
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what

rugged salmon
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Because I fear breaking stuff if I move the distros in the list.

gaunt current
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i dont know anything about formulas

rugged salmon
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Oh who made it?

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Wooper?

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For a sec I thought you made it lol.

gaunt current
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spagett did the formulas iirc

rugged salmon
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@mystic beacon is it possible to introduce dynamic $ columns so the whole calculation doesn't break every time we add a new distro?

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I was thinkin' about addin' some server distros in a seperate list, polishin' the description and just submittin' a PR to the PCMR Gitlab.

rugged salmon
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Hmm it is not showin' Gorgon the Snek and Ayanna properly if you don't click on the credits.

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How to solve how to solve 🤔

foggy maple
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Should probably just move it lower to a row we dont use though

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Otherwise kubuntu will take up a bunch of space (totally worth it)

gaunt current
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merge it with the cell below it

rugged salmon
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It is a bit different from Microsoft Excel.

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Hmm let's see.

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Yeah fixed now.

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Which server distros do we want to recommend?

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I was thinking about Ubuntu Server, Debian, Alpine, Rocky Linux.

stoic geyser
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alma as well

gaunt current
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maybe fedora server?

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idk

rugged salmon
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Fedora server?

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Isn't that just RHEL?

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Or does that truly exist?

gaunt current
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no there is a fedora server version

rugged salmon
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lol

stoic geyser
gaunt current
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they updated their website

stoic geyser
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i didnt know about it either until just now

gaunt current
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looks really good

rugged salmon
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Fedora Server > CentOS Stream > RHEL?

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Is Fedora Server upstream then?

gaunt current
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its the same as fedora but without a de

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so presumably, yes

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holy crap fedora has a phosh spin

stoic geyser
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im really happy right now... Took me 2 days to write, test, and debug an asynchronous queue class in python

rugged salmon
stoic geyser
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less than 30 LOC, but still really a pain to figure out what was wrong with it

rugged salmon
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I could make it in a different tab for now because I don't want to break the work @mystic beacon has done already.

stoic geyser
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turns out, i was starting the queue before adding anything to it

rugged salmon
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Oofies

stoic geyser
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i never want to write one again

rugged salmon
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Sounds like a glorified messaging bus tbh.

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I just use RabbitMQ.

stoic geyser
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well now it can handle being started before anything is added to the queue

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@rugged salmon in case you wanted to look through it

rugged salmon
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I do fear peeps who use a Q to name a class.

stoic geyser
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ive gotten so accustomed to languages that require parenthesis around the operands on an if statement that i forgot they are optional in python

stoic geyser
rugged salmon
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Fair enough

stoic geyser
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i at least used a capital q to make it something you'd be less likely to type

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and now its hooked into the api

mystic beacon
rugged salmon
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No biggie.

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It can wait.

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There is no deadline and no need to rush ;).

mystic beacon
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Yeah haha

rugged salmon
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In the mean time I'll just see if I can learn it myself ;3.

mystic beacon
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Nice, if it was excel id probably have a quicker time of doing it but google sheets has a lot of minor differences which makes me have to look up a lot of things

rugged salmon
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Relatable.

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Same same.

boreal bone
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Die

rugged salmon
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You can also use a GitHub gist or a paste bin.

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Or txt file.

boreal bone
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Welp, just took a screenshot

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Hope discord's compression wont make it unreadable

rugged salmon
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That is fantastic Giuko-pyon 💜!

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A new challenger appeared!

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I'll edit it tomorrow since it is gettin' late today.

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Night night.

gaunt current
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gn

boreal bone
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Nighty, don't sweat it

rugged salmon
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Could you guys provide some feedback for the revised ?distro command?

Here are some good Linux distros for beginners. These are just suggestions!
- [Nobara](https://nobaraproject.org/)
- [Kubuntu](https://kubuntu.org/)
- [EndeavourOS](https://endeavouros.com/)

Looking for more detailed information? Check out the following [spreadsheet]().

You can test Linux distros using [distrosea](https://distrosea.com/). No installation is required.
supple ridge
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why us nobara over just normal fedora?

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ah, gaming oriented

rugged salmon
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Can be intimidating for newbies to add proprietary repos.

supple ridge
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oh nice, it has a custom kernel

rugged salmon
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After some discussion in #linux.

Here are some good Linux distros for beginners. These are just suggestions!
- [Nobara](https://nobaraproject.org/)
- [Kubuntu](https://kubuntu.org/)
- [Pop!_OS](https://pop.system76.com/)
- [Linux Mint](https://linuxmint.com/)
You can test Linux distros using [distrosea](https://distrosea.com/). No installation is required.
Looking for more detailed information or more advanced distro options? Checkout the following [spreadsheet]().
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If you guys have any suggestions to improve the message feel free to react ;).

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I'll polish the Google sheets with the feedback from Giuko-pyon and wait a little before I submit a pr.

foggy maple
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?distro

balmy zincBOT
foggy maple
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Lame i thought it was already implemented

rugged salmon
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No

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I am askin' for some feedback before I submit a PR.

foggy maple
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Well i mean technically it works

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But i feel like most people are gonna think of the supermarket one

rugged salmon
foggy maple
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Cool

rugged salmon
rugged salmon
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Your patience is appreciated.

foggy maple
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Anything i missed?

gaunt current
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kek

rugged salmon
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lol

rugged salmon
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Improvement in clarification imo.

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I guess the formulas broke when peeps added Ubuntu to the list and moved stuff around.

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Big sad.

stoic geyser
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what is that error lol

rugged salmon
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For some reason all the formulas get translated to Dutch for me.

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That's pretty annoying since most docs are in English.

stoic geyser
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huh

rugged salmon
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Now all things broke, maybe somebody is workin' on it rn:

stoic geyser
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why is nobara verw!, and everything else is fout!?

rugged salmon
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¯_(ツ)_/¯

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No biggie if stuff broke I can roll it back to an older version.

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Ah it is bacc:

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We can maybe add this:

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That way if stuff gets copied nothin' breaks.

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Otherwise every time we add a new row the ratings section breaks.

mystic beacon
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I was very confused at first about why there where , instead of . For decimal places

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But then I remembered Europeans do it weird

mystic beacon
stoic geyser
mystic beacon
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We use 6.00 for 6

stoic geyser
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why

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do you express everything in floating point notation...?

mystic beacon
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No that was an example

stoic geyser
stoic geyser
rugged salmon
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I realised that Ubuntu didn't get a rating yet.

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Time to contribute.

gaunt current
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why is there a duplicate of ratings?

rugged salmon
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Dunno someone is changin' it rng.

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That is better imo because now it is more future proof.

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I can just add more distros vertically.

foggy maple
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Wheres the DE

rugged salmon
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Gnome I guess.

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Zorin GNONE be like.

mystic beacon
rugged salmon
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Why not just list the default choice tbh.

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With Mint they provide other DE's too.

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But we still listed the default choice.

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I don't get why we suddenly make an exception for ZorinOS.

foggy maple
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Way i do it is if you can choose a de while installing or downloading i just set it to user choice

rugged salmon
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Fair enough

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I don't want to sound pedantic or annoying btw if the way I speak felt like that. Was just wondering.

gaunt current
foggy maple
gaunt current
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There are some other differences as well iirc

foggy maple
stoic geyser
gaunt current
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yeah thats it

rugged salmon
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Mozz is cleaning up the table a bit rn.

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A new challenger has appeared!

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Should we make a section for server distros too?

storm plank
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but yeah for homelab/plex stuff that'd make sense

rugged salmon
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Hmm maybe it is not needed I guess.

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I don't think many peeps are going to ask for that in PCMR.

mystic beacon
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Yeah I think people wanting a server distro generally know more of their stuff.

rugged salmon
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For most peeps the current list should be sufficient.

gaunt current
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server stuff is probably a bit past the purview of this sheet

rugged salmon
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I'll proof read the stuff, add a rating to Ubuntu and submit a PR soon.

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Ty for all the contributions, without you guys and gals this would've never been possible! 💜

mystic beacon
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I did realise though

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Mr stallmans would be very disappointed in us

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Using Google sheets, absolutely proprietary

rugged salmon
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I wonder what is supposed to go here:

gaunt current
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photos of the de

mystic beacon
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And not 1 fsf approved distro on there :P

rugged salmon
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Stallmans vision is too limiting for my life imo.

mystic beacon
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Agreed

rugged salmon
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I literally would need to resign from my job because "nuh uh not enough freedom".

mystic beacon
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I like the software he wrote but pretty much every other take he has I disagree with

rugged salmon
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I guess Stalmans values do allow you to strive for something.

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But I don't follow it blindly.

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Same with Suckless devs.

mystic beacon
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Yeah, I like the idea of dwm and stuff but I don't like using terminal everything

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Some things are good to have a gui for

rugged salmon
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I do like DWM but I hate their terminal.

mystic beacon
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Yeah St kinda sucks

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It does not suck less

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Maybe if I configured it I could make it ok but I'd rather just use alacrity

foggy maple
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I don't think many people will ever go to the other tabs but idk

rugged salmon
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I understand what you mean.

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However I do like that it does free up some space and makes it easier to maintain the most important list.

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Mozz put the ratings tables next to each other horizontally.

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So now we can just add distros vertically without breakin' any existing stuff for the most part.

boreal bone
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Lmao, michealsoft binbows, difficulty: impossible kekw

Love the new organization in tabs, makes the whole thing much more clean and maintainable, hope they will actually get noticed :p

rugged salmon
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I think the (old) ratings can be removed.

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But I'll keep it for now in case someone is still transfering stuff over.

foggy maple
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I think were ready to submit it tbh @rugged salmon

rugged salmon
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I'll try to submit a PR after work today.

rugged salmon
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@mystic beacon is it okay if I remove the old ratings list?

rugged salmon
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Nvm already removed it.

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You can rewind it if you think it is a mistake.

mystic beacon
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If the new ones ones better then by all means

rugged salmon
stoic geyser
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?distro

balmy zincBOT
rugged salmon
stoic geyser
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I didn't think nobara was in the list before

onyx rain
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deserves to be tbh (it’s simply superior fedora)

quasi crystal
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oh yea

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does nobara have selinux on by default

mystic beacon
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And use apparmor or smth

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Yep

rugged salmon
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Does that matter that much for most peeps?

gaunt current
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no

mystic beacon
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That's the most compelling argument I've heard about it

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I still use fedora on my rpi though

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With selinux disabled cause it's annoying for that use case and messes with nginx a bit

rugged salmon
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Why would it even mess with Nginx smh.

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Lemme handle the API gateway myself.

quasi crystal
mystic beacon
mystic beacon
rugged salmon
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!distro

balmy zincBOT
rugged salmon
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!distro

balmy zincBOT
silent knoll
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it's not gonna pass probably

rugged salmon
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Why not Pentium?

silent knoll
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don't think the staff is gonna bother with revising the command

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btw how long since the proposal has submitted

rugged salmon
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It took 2 days for Tsuki-chis MR to get merged.

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It has been 3 days.

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But keep in mind that they probably won't bother during the weekends.

rugged salmon
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!distro

balmy zincBOT
onyx rain
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@mods add manjaro, it’s a great distro

steel garnet
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why is kde neon still there

gaunt current
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!distro

balmy zincBOT
gaunt current
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Welp

boreal bone
rugged salmon
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Calm down Eegras hasn't reacted to the MR yet.

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He obviously isn't going to react during the weekends.

steel garnet
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oh okay

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who removed kali from aliases lol

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it was a nice featurekekw

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also it's kind of weird that snap is mentioned only in ubuntu and not in kubuntu's description while snap being part of kubuntu is mentioned in ubuntu's description is kind of - out of place

gaunt current
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!kali

balmy zincBOT
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We don't support pentesting distributions on bare metal.

Pentesting distros (like Kali, Parrot, and BlackArch) are often highly specialized distros with modified cores and can run into obscure/difficult to diagnose issues when running them on bare metal, which they were never meant to run on.

They are primarily designed to be used in virtual machines, where they can easily be repaired with snapshot restores and have isolation from the host machine to compensate for their reduced security measures.

Running them on live ISOs are also another intended usecase, although this can present its own issues as any issues with a live ISO can only be fixed by creating a new one.

Nobody is likely to be willing to help you if you ask for help with these distributions in #linux. If you run into issues with one, simply reinstall it or restore to a working snapshot in your VM.

If you still want to run Linux on bare metal and get help here, consider trying one of the many distros actually designed for use as a normal desktop OS. You can use !distro for a list of these that we recommend.

rugged salmon
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And I can copy it over to the read only one.

rugged salmon
steel garnet
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yea

storm plank
vital canopy
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?distros

balmy zincBOT
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Beginner Linux Distro Recommendations

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You can test Linux distros using distrosea. No installation is required.
Check out the following spreadsheet for more information and more advanced distro options.

gaunt current
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huzzah!

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praise bee(gras)

vital canopy
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@verbal raft Complain here. This appears to be the source of your ire.

boreal bone
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🎉🎉🎉

rugged salmon
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We did it!

foggy maple
onyx rain
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ayy