#Proposal to revise the ?distro command
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debian wiki says if you mix ubuntu and debian packages you get a frankendebian and you dont get support
which is precisely what mint does
To be fair Linux Mint has a Debian edition too.
Although the Ubuntu version is better imo.
good morning
Done
Morning
Logos broke?
it got hungry
I tried fixing them but it's hard on a phone, keeps trying to resize em, so I left it like that so someone with a mouse can fix it
Just click them and use arrow keys to move them
I havnt gotten around to ranking them yet although I don't rate pop too highly
Lots of installation issues in my experience
The installer just craps itself after partitioning sometimes
For me it did work seamlessly though.
Good
This was in a VM and a few people had the same problem in hardware
whys the icon for could not install a giant nuclear explosion
I updated the text of each distro a little.
Added some caveats like the Pop! installer maybe not workin'.
Any distro's we want to specifically recommend?
Like the monitor list people?
If people have any suggestions to improve the current description feel free to mention it.
If you guys and gals are happy with it I'll make a command and submit a PR to the PCMR Gitlab.
maybe we could put our top three on the actual command's text for quick viewing
Sure
rn they seem to be kubuntu, nobara, and endeavour
Here are some good Linux distros for beginners. These are just suggestions!
I don't understand the OpenSuse recommendation tbh.
endeavour is one of our top three rated
Not really a beginner distro is it?
yeah thats a weird one
Cool.
kek
Maybe there are some historical reasons for it.
If any peeps disagree feel free to mention it here.
what is nobara im curious
@onyx rain what do you think: [outdated google link]?
maybe say something like These are our top three recommendations (in order of easyness): kubuntu, nobara, and endeavour
but in a bulleted list so it looks cool
This should be a view only link btw.
Should be fine if peeps are worry about that.
it is view only
If Allur wants to join the list I can add Alluring Peugeut 508 as a contributer.
also the other link no longer works so none of us are gonna have access
or maybe its just me
Huh nani.
So you can only have one active link at a time?
its fedora but with some really good changes by gloriouseggroll
yeah
Okay mb then.
yeah that seems about right
I approve 👍
Did I miss any contributers?
ApartGorgon
Bread
i_m_cool_80
Emica
Kenzie
Spagett
Veink
Yeah Wooper
Mb
Yup I added them.
Also, I don't have edit privileges on the sheet
Sec I'll just add all peeps here as a contributer again.
cool
If you need my email, I'll send it
same
i can edit now :)
Editor
Okay good kinda didn't want to resend the link xD.
Uh, my total is failing to compute
yeah the alpine one is busted for me
Instead of dot use a comma.
what just happened
What happened
I tried addin' a filter.
ah
I can undo sec.
I was just reading, and saw everything was gone
Sry mb.
It's okay
I wanted to add a filter on difficulty and package manager and DE if the user was interested in that.
i dont think the list is really big enough for that to matter
add “any meme distro” to it
should be obvious but turns out it’s not for some…
Wait wat?
yeah idk whats up with that
Peeps meming lol.
how do you get rid of that
nice
You guys and gals can take a last look at it and tweak the description if you like.
Tomorrow I'll see if I can make a throw away credit card to get the Gitlab CI/CD to run.
alpine has a higher rating than arch?
yeah that is admittedly a little werid
Alpine has fewer scores than arch
It's within the margin of error tbh.
If we rounded it down to one decimal instead the diff would vanish.
Note that there may be some bias at play here since peeps might know x distro better.
i am going to be switzerland
i just don’t think alpine is as practical as the rest. i mean, you can’t use nvidia properly. that’s all i really have to say.
There definitely is
switzerland is good
So you defend the smallest country in the world then
no, that would be the vatican city
Switzerland defends the Vatican
oh
link to the google doc?
Sure sure I'll dm you.
If you add anythin' or have useful feedback don't forget to leave a comment, so that I can give you proper credit:
💜
how would we rate ubuntu?
I forgot to add that distro tbh.
I guess most peeps just went with Ubuntu.
We can add it if you want.
I dunno how to add it without breakin' the rating system. I'll have to ask Cool-kun later.
why am i there i dont have edit access
unless shitposting here counts as help?
also what about kde neon and vanillaos
never heard of vanillaos
We don't support vanilla os
Vanilla OS is an operating system built with simplicity in mind. It's fast, lightweight, beautiful and ready for all your daily tasks.
if we put ubuntu in avoid what will be the reason
also have some suggestions for server distros too
what about clear linux?
Not enough usage
what about nix os
maybe
Absolutely not
why
I hate nix with a passion, plus global configuration makes it a pain to figure out why your system is broken, or to just use it like a normal system
There are certainly use cases for nix, just not as a general desktop distribution
can everyone contributing to the google doc view my email
I think so
You can contribute anonymously too.
does nixos include a de by default or it is user decided
what about the package manager?
It's an okay package manager, but if you need something that isn't in the repos, you are screwed
if something that isn't in the repos for other distros?
You can just build it from source, and install it with the buildsystem
You can't on nix
You would need to write a nix config for the package
Isn't the AUR the same vibe tbh Gorgon?
Yes, but the aur is community driven, but you don't strictly need it to build a package on arch
You can just build something from source code
lmao bread is in the credit list
Is higher or lower better in the bug field?
lower better
Lower is better
score = ($install + $ease_of_use + (10 - $bugs) + $docs)/4
I remember when I wrote a version of breads uwu compression format in python lol
the what now
Not compression, archiving format I meant
the what archive format
The uwu format
show
Took me a few minutes to find it, #linux message
uwu/linux
The uwu attachment is what you are looking for
what the fuck
Ask bread
i have underestimated the levels of autistic (in a positive way)
I didn't write it, bread did
i know that
I did port it to python for the memes though
now do it in C
Mastus suggest adding a relative field marker $, so the whole spreadsheet doesn't break if we add a new distro.
Or change the order in the future.
Alright, can I use c++ instead? I can't really write c all that well
how do I expand the tile
Just turn on line wrapping
uh sure
Alright
how
Should be under format
If you mean extra width you draw the top column to the right.
If you want more vertical space press alt + enter.
figured that out
Added ya to the list Pentium:
change that to TwelveLetter (my global discord name)
working on it @quasi crystal
Okay time for me to go to bed it is gettin' late.
good night emica
would we have a distro in the list that's 8/10 or higher
i am cooking incredibly
you should
you should install gentoo NOW
gentoo users compiling firefox balls for every 0.1 picosecond
emerge -av firefox-bin
what about ubuntu
Wow I missed a lot
i dont think we should put ubuntu in the avoid at all costs category, but maybe we could make a "be wary of" category
nix would probabyl fit there better than in avoid
Im actually just gonna go ahead and do that
hey coolman
could you set a very cropped version of this image as the difficulty for pentest distros
that being said, i think we might run into some issues with highly recommending kubuntu but not recommending ubuntu
ill work on it lol
hows this
very good
considering that kubuntu has all the same snap-related issues as ubuntu, im actually a bit more hesitant to recommend it and not recommend ubuntu
it seems hypocritical
what issues
maybe controversy is more accurate
any other distros i should write a hit piece on?
do we want to make a blurb about DEs?
all bloat 
or maybe just a whole page about the big things to think about when picking a distro
yea
possibly the jankiest way to check a file extension lol
@quasi crystal making some progress
gn
i wrote some stuff about DEs
its kinda bad
ill look at it again tomorrow
do we maybe just want to get the command set up and then we can keep editing even after its working
I've given a window manager description on the sheets
I can't do newlines though cause of mobile so if someone could just alt+enter it a couple times that would be great
This is probably me just caring too much but idk how to feel about these changes
A lot of these just seem weird
It reads out like a personal opinion and not a description
Not sure about this snap issue part
I dont really think its that big of deal
I kinda agree
@gaunt current can we get more objective descriptions please
Also some snap optimization isnt really a good reason to recommend ubuntu over kubuntu but thats just me
Especially considering this ratio
Where did this come from
I know this is supposed to be for beginner distros, but what about a little section for server ones? (Like ubuntu & fedora server)
Also could someone sned a screenshot of what we currently have?
You want the link to the sheet?
Mastu from #macos found it a bit strange that we do recommend Kubuntu but not Ubuntu.
Since they suffer from the same issues tbh.
i think i mentioned that as well
ubuntu does have the added problem of their yaru theme making things difficult, but the other stuff is still problematic on kubuntu
Is that goin' to matter a lot for most peeps?
We can do that yeah.
My main wish is introducing a $ in the columns so the whole calculation doesn't break every time we add a new distro.
I kinda like the list to be maintainable in the future.
Im not the one who wrote the Ubuntu part
Ubuntu is literally just kubuntu with plasma preinstalled
I dont see why Ubuntu was put in the be wary of part
Not blaming anyone here just givin' Mastu's feedback.
I feel like a lotta peeps don't like Ubuntu for obvious reasons like Snap.
But unfortunately it is still the most go to distro for newbies.
Also are we sticking with these jokes
I can understand the avoid ones but idk about be wary since they are still an option
Do we really want to spend time rating distros we don't recommend anyway?
We could either keep the jokes or remove the entire section tbh.
🤷♂️ these ones we dont recommend are in the avoid section
Also i switched up ubuntu some
It is now in the recommened area if that wasnt clear
wooper what is on Y1000
Nothing
Also should snap be listed since its a secondary package manager
Feel like if snap is there flatpak should be too idk
but ubuntu doesnt come with flatpak preinstalled
If we use that logic technically every distro can pretty much use Snap.
we can add flatpak to distros that come with it preinstalled
Sure
Wasnt aware snap was preinstalled
Ubuntu removed first party Flatpak support
They double downed on Snap.
Btw if you move stuff make sure it doesn't mess with the rating numbers on the second tab.
I don't think 24.04 will ship apt at all
snap is a part of the OS pretty much. Running services and being used by default for major packages. snap should be mentioned seperately, flatpak not
its still bearable, its just still using gnome 3 for some reason
idk its weird
i think they updated the base to the latest ubuntu, but not the DE
they have a lot of custom extensions for it so theyre probably still working on updating that or something
version 17 is supposed to come out within the year so i guess we'll see what happens
Cool-kun is it possible to add $ to the sheet to make it more maintainable?
what
Because I fear breaking stuff if I move the distros in the list.
i dont know anything about formulas
spagett did the formulas iirc
@mystic beacon is it possible to introduce dynamic $ columns so the whole calculation doesn't break every time we add a new distro?
I was thinkin' about addin' some server distros in a seperate list, polishin' the description and just submittin' a PR to the PCMR Gitlab.
Hmm it is not showin' Gorgon the Snek and Ayanna properly if you don't click on the credits.
How to solve how to solve 🤔
Make the row taller
Should probably just move it lower to a row we dont use though
Otherwise kubuntu will take up a bunch of space (totally worth it)
merge it with the cell below it
It is a bit different from Microsoft Excel.
Hmm let's see.
Yeah fixed now.
Which server distros do we want to recommend?
I was thinking about Ubuntu Server, Debian, Alpine, Rocky Linux.
alma as well
no there is a fedora server version
lol
We're so glad you've decided to give Fedora Server a try. We know you'll love it.
i didnt know about it either until just now
looks really good
its the same as fedora but without a de
so presumably, yes
holy crap fedora has a phosh spin
im really happy right now... Took me 2 days to write, test, and debug an asynchronous queue class in python
I guess Alma and Rocky Linux have the same vibe.
less than 30 LOC, but still really a pain to figure out what was wrong with it
I could make it in a different tab for now because I don't want to break the work @mystic beacon has done already.
turns out, i was starting the queue before adding anything to it
Oofies
i never want to write one again
well now it can handle being started before anything is added to the queue
@rugged salmon in case you wanted to look through it
I do fear peeps who use a Q to name a class.
ive gotten so accustomed to languages that require parenthesis around the operands on an if statement that i forgot they are optional in python
well queue is already a python module
Fair enough
i at least used a capital q to make it something you'd be less likely to type
and now its hooked into the api
Probably but I don't really have time to do that atm
Yeah haha
In the mean time I'll just see if I can learn it myself ;3.
Nice, if it was excel id probably have a quicker time of doing it but google sheets has a lot of minor differences which makes me have to look up a lot of things
Die

That is fantastic Giuko-pyon 💜!
A new challenger appeared!
I'll edit it tomorrow since it is gettin' late today.
Night night.
gn
Could you guys provide some feedback for the revised ?distro command?
Here are some good Linux distros for beginners. These are just suggestions!
- [Nobara](https://nobaraproject.org/)
- [Kubuntu](https://kubuntu.org/)
- [EndeavourOS](https://endeavouros.com/)
Looking for more detailed information? Check out the following [spreadsheet]().
You can test Linux distros using [distrosea](https://distrosea.com/). No installation is required.
Nvidia drivers and codecs are included.
Can be intimidating for newbies to add proprietary repos.
oh nice, it has a custom kernel
After some discussion in #linux.
Here are some good Linux distros for beginners. These are just suggestions!
- [Nobara](https://nobaraproject.org/)
- [Kubuntu](https://kubuntu.org/)
- [Pop!_OS](https://pop.system76.com/)
- [Linux Mint](https://linuxmint.com/)
You can test Linux distros using [distrosea](https://distrosea.com/). No installation is required.
Looking for more detailed information or more advanced distro options? Checkout the following [spreadsheet]().
If you guys have any suggestions to improve the message feel free to react ;).
I'll polish the Google sheets with the feedback from Giuko-pyon and wait a little before I submit a pr.
Seems good (kubuntu is there so im legally obligated to agree)
?distro
Here are some good Linux distros for beginners. These are just suggestions!
Lame i thought it was already implemented
Also there should be a space between check and out
Well i mean technically it works
But i feel like most people are gonna think of the supermarket one
I'm using this: https://commands.discord.eegras.com/edit.html
Cool
I need some more time to implement this.
Your patience is appreciated.
Anything i missed?
kek
lol
Improvement in clarification imo.
I guess the formulas broke when peeps added Ubuntu to the list and moved stuff around.
Big sad.
what is that error lol
For some reason all the formulas get translated to Dutch for me.
That's pretty annoying since most docs are in English.
huh
Now all things broke, maybe somebody is workin' on it rn:
why is nobara verw!, and everything else is fout!?
¯_(ツ)_/¯
No biggie if stuff broke I can roll it back to an older version.
Ah it is bacc:
We can maybe add this:
That way if stuff gets copied nothin' breaks.
Otherwise every time we add a new row the ratings section breaks.
I was very confused at first about why there where , instead of . For decimal places
But then I remembered Europeans do it weird
That would probably help but it makes it harder to just copy paste the formula to create new tables which is why I didn't use it.
so australians are normal then?
We use 6.00 for 6
No that was an example
oh okay
why is there a duplicate of ratings?
Dunno someone is changin' it rng.
That is better imo because now it is more future proof.
I can just add more distros vertically.
Wheres the DE
Nix is user choice between gnome and plasma graphically or anything if you do the manual install
Why not just list the default choice tbh.
With Mint they provide other DE's too.
But we still listed the default choice.
I don't get why we suddenly make an exception for ZorinOS.
Way i do it is if you can choose a de while installing or downloading i just set it to user choice
Fair enough
I don't want to sound pedantic or annoying btw if the way I speak felt like that. Was just wondering.
Zorin has two editions, zorin which uses gnome, and zorin lite which uses xfce
Though in this case we could do it like zorin since its only 2 choices
There are some other differences as well iirc
Should probably specify that xfce is for lite
Zorin Core uses gnome, lite uses xfce, and pro also uses gnome
yeah thats it
Mozz is cleaning up the table a bit rn.
A new challenger has appeared!
😍
Should we make a section for server distros too?
i feel like people running servers shouldn't be taking our advice 
but yeah for homelab/plex stuff that'd make sense
Hmm maybe it is not needed I guess.
I don't think many peeps are going to ask for that in PCMR.
Yeah I think people wanting a server distro generally know more of their stuff.
For most peeps the current list should be sufficient.
server stuff is probably a bit past the purview of this sheet

I'll proof read the stuff, add a rating to Ubuntu and submit a PR soon.
Ty for all the contributions, without you guys and gals this would've never been possible! 💜
I did realise though
Mr stallmans would be very disappointed in us
Using Google sheets, absolutely proprietary
I wonder what is supposed to go here:
photos of the de
And not 1 fsf approved distro on there :P
Stallman would be disappointed in a lot of stuff I'm doing rn.
Stallmans vision is too limiting for my life imo.
Agreed
I literally would need to resign from my job because "nuh uh not enough freedom".
I like the software he wrote but pretty much every other take he has I disagree with
I can hop in distrosea and take a picture I guess.
I guess Stalmans values do allow you to strive for something.
But I don't follow it blindly.
Same with Suckless devs.
Yeah, I like the idea of dwm and stuff but I don't like using terminal everything
Some things are good to have a gui for
I do like DWM but I hate their terminal.
Yeah St kinda sucks
It does not suck less
Maybe if I configured it I could make it ok but I'd rather just use alacrity
I personally liked the original layout
I don't think many people will ever go to the other tabs but idk
I understand what you mean.
However I do like that it does free up some space and makes it easier to maintain the most important list.
Mozz put the ratings tables next to each other horizontally.
So now we can just add distros vertically without breakin' any existing stuff for the most part.
Lmao, michealsoft binbows, difficulty: impossible 
Love the new organization in tabs, makes the whole thing much more clean and maintainable, hope they will actually get noticed :p
I think the (old) ratings can be removed.
But I'll keep it for now in case someone is still transfering stuff over.
I think were ready to submit it tbh @rugged salmon
I'll try to submit a PR after work today.
@mystic beacon is it okay if I remove the old ratings list?
If the new ones ones better then by all means
?distro
Here are some good Linux distros for beginners. These are just suggestions!
Not merged yet.
I didn't think nobara was in the list before
deserves to be tbh (it’s simply superior fedora)
I think they disable it
And use apparmor or smth
Yep
Does that matter that much for most peeps?
no
People dislike the nsa had a hand in making selinux and suspect a backdoor
That's the most compelling argument I've heard about it
I still use fedora on my rpi though
With selinux disabled cause it's annoying for that use case and messes with nginx a bit
nobara officially earns the kenzie seal of approval
It was either nginx or some hostname stuff, I don't remember
It is pretty based
!distro
Here are some good Linux distros for beginners. These are just suggestions!
!distro
Here are some good Linux distros for beginners. These are just suggestions!
it's not gonna pass probably
Why not Pentium?
don't think the staff is gonna bother with revising the command
btw how long since the proposal has submitted
It took 2 days for Tsuki-chis MR to get merged.
It has been 3 days.
But keep in mind that they probably won't bother during the weekends.
!distro
Here are some good Linux distros for beginners. These are just suggestions!
@mods add manjaro, it’s a great distro
why is kde neon still there
!distro
Here are some good Linux distros for beginners. These are just suggestions!
Welp

Calm down Eegras hasn't reacted to the MR yet.
He obviously isn't going to react during the weekends.
oh okay
who removed kali from aliases lol
it was a nice feature
also it's kind of weird that snap is mentioned only in ubuntu and not in kubuntu's description while snap being part of kubuntu is mentioned in ubuntu's description is kind of - out of place
!kali
Pentesting distros (like Kali, Parrot, and BlackArch) are often highly specialized distros with modified cores and can run into obscure/difficult to diagnose issues when running them on bare metal, which they were never meant to run on.
They are primarily designed to be used in virtual machines, where they can easily be repaired with snapshot restores and have isolation from the host machine to compensate for their reduced security measures.
Running them on live ISOs are also another intended usecase, although this can present its own issues as any issues with a live ISO can only be fixed by creating a new one.
Nobody is likely to be willing to help you if you ask for help with these distributions in #linux. If you run into issues with one, simply reinstall it or restore to a working snapshot in your VM.
If you still want to run Linux on bare metal and get help here, consider trying one of the many distros actually designed for use as a normal desktop OS. You can use !distro for a list of these that we recommend.
Can be fixed. All maintainers still have access to the original list.
And I can copy it over to the read only one.
I could've also just messaged Eegras but I didn't want to pressure him or seem like an impatient person. Since this is all unpaid work after all.
yea
@vital canopy hey bee go merge emica's ?distro MR so they can finally sleep >> !189 <<
Here are some good Linux distros for beginners. These are just suggestions!
You can test Linux distros using distrosea. No installation is required.
Check out the following spreadsheet for more information and more advanced distro options.
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We ballin
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