#Proposal to revise the ?distro command
rugged salmon
Hi guys and gals. I was thinkin' about potentially revising the ?distro command. I'm willing to make a PR to the PCMR gitlab to make it happen. I haven't asked the PCMR-staff for permission yet.
I think there are many things to improve like:
- What if someone uses Nvidia drivers? Many distros don't include Nvidia proprietary drivers by default which may make the Linux experience worse for newbies.
- What if someone wants to game?
- What if someone wants a lightweight distro?
- What if someone wants a "easy distro"?
We could also add the https://distrosea.com/ so newbies could try it out.
quasi crystal
we love threaders
foggy maple
Linux
foggy maple
Hi guys and gals. I was thinkin' about potentially revising the `?distro` comman...
"Welcome to my TED talk" vibes
rugged salmon
Well the current command isn't ideal imo but if you guys think it is unneccesary I'll stop.
boreal bone
Novideo & games: pop_os!, nobara
Easy: ubuntu/kubuntu
Lightweight varies a lot in each instance
rugged salmon
I think Eegras will be fine with it but we need to get peeps here to agree to a list.
Which is the hardest part.
?distro
balmy zincBOT
rugged salmon
This can prob be improved a bit.
foggy maple
Well the current command isn't ideal imo but if you guys think it is unneccesary...
The real question is is the command used often enough to be revised
boreal bone
Well the current command isn't ideal imo but if you guys think it is unneccesary...
It does need an update
boreal bone
The real question is is the command used often enough to be revised
We can start using it more if its made proper
rugged salmon
The real question is is the command used often enough to be revised
Well because it's outdated nobody really uses it nowadays.
We could breathe some new life into it if we revise it.
foggy maple
Im personally just someone who never uses commands but thats just me
rugged salmon
But that assumes people here agree with the list.
foggy maple
My only contribution is going to be kubuntu
rugged salmon
Otherwise peeps will never use it.
quasi crystal
standby im cooking
rugged salmon
Wooper I've never used Kubuntu before. What's the difference between Kubuntu and KDE Neon?
foggy maple
standby im cooking
What are you cooking
boreal bone
What da kenzie cooking
foggy maple
Wooper I've never used Kubuntu before. What's the difference between Kubuntu and...
Its just Ubuntu with plasma
Ive never used neon so like idk
rugged salmon
Should we also offer a guide for peeps with novideo?
foggy maple
Novideo?
rugged salmon
I guess that would be difficult with the amount of distros out there.
foggy maple
O
I think we should like link to a google docs or something
Just to explain stuff easier
rugged salmon
Some commands do that yeah.
foggy maple
Like live booting and all
balmy zincBOT
rugged salmon
?fantable
balmy zincBOT
rugged salmon
We could maybe do somethin' similar.
rugged salmon
It's just this: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1wBV0U3a1XuP1yFLvs_Ald3FE1y45bVxtS2zBXixsGLs/edit#gid=96225629
I don't think it has a command yet tbh.
foggy maple
I can like make a google doc about installing distros or whatever
rugged salmon
With multiple tabs?
rugged salmon
It's just this: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1wBV0U3a1XuP1yFLvs_Ald3FE...
Like this monitor list?
foggy maple
Wdym tabs
rugged salmon
Monitor list includes an explanation and a video for extra research.
We could for example warn against usin' Manjaro.
foggy maple
And arch
rugged salmon
Since a lot of yt'ers and websites recommend it for some reason.
foggy maple
All my homies hate arch
rugged salmon
If you look on Google you get the most bs advice out there.
quasi crystal
im cooking a table
quasi crystal
All my homies hate arch
fuck you
boreal bone
im cooking a table
Damn how does it taste
foggy maple
Arch isnt bad, just really hard if youre completely new to linux
Well yea thats our demographic
So we probably shouldn't recommend it
foggy maple
Damn Kenzie
boreal bone
It could go into an "advanced" section
foggy maple
Really sticking to the stereotype
rugged salmon
It could go into an "advanced" section
Agreed
rugged salmon
Linux from scratch should maybe have it's own section xD.
quasi crystal
hold on im almost finished
quasi crystal
Linux from scratch should maybe have it's own section xD.
thats a book not a distro
foggy maple
Cant you make google docs anonymous or whatever
rugged salmon
I can make one.
foggy maple
I dont want to leak my email fr
boreal bone
Youre telling me you dont have 10 different emails?
foggy maple
I have 2
rugged salmon
Just make an empty Spreadsheet?
rugged salmon
Hmm I guess I would need to login to this throw away email one a year though.
Because google deletes this if I am inactive.
boreal bone
Google deletes emails after a year??
rugged salmon
I dont want to leak my email fr
Can be hidden right? https://support.google.com/accounts/answer/6316959?hl=en&co=GENIE.Platform%3DDesktop
boreal bone
Damn thats a strange table
foggy maple
Can be hidden right? https://support.google.com/accounts/answer/6316959?hl=en&co...
This?
mystic beacon
I would say nobara over fedora, or move fedora to experienced. The average person isn't going to know they have to enable codecs, enable rpmfusion.
boreal bone
Imma be honest it sucks
How
steel garnet
Im personally just someone who never uses commands but thats just me
thats for us to reply
boreal bone
🗿
quasi crystal
I would say nobara over fedora, or move fedora to experienced. The average perso...
look, honey
if they cant use the terminal
they shouldnt be using linux
rugged salmon
Kenzie-kun what if peeps have a Steam Deck?
quasi crystal
like i had to troubleshoot a guy that couldnt even fucking read properly
not a fun experience
mystic beacon
A) i couldn't use the terminal before switching
B) the whole point of "beginner" is that most stuff works without too much research
C) that's about it.
quasi crystal
A) i couldn't use the terminal before switching
B) the whole point of "beginner"...
if they come here for help theyre already doing research
boreal bone
I learned the terminal by getting used to it with each tutorial it was needed for
quasi crystal
your arguments are null and void
rugged salmon
Kenzie-chi what's the issue with recommendin' Nobara instead tbh?
Isn't it more covenient?
Less stuff to configure after install?
quasi crystal
i dont know what it is so i cant recommend it
mystic beacon
I guess my biggest worry is I don't feel like walking people through the steps of enabling rpm fusion installing codecs and drivers.
Maybe if we added all those steps to the command that would be ok.
quasi crystal
feel free to swap nobara and kde neon i guess
mystic beacon
Fedora but with codecs and drivers as a post install option and rpmfusion
Made by the glorious egg roll guy
rugged salmon
i dont know what it is so i cant recommend it
This project aims to fix most of those issues and offer a better gaming, streaming, and content creation experience out of the box. More importantly, we want to be more point and click friendly, and avoid the basic user from having to open the terminal. It’s not that the terminal and/or terminal usage are a bad thing by any means, power users are more than welcome to continue with using the terminal, but for new users, point and click ease of use is usually expected.
mystic beacon
So it also has a bunch of smaller tweaks like ge proton installer and whatnot
rugged salmon
foggy maple
So how is everyone accessing this google doc btw
quasi crystal
frog kernel by default
mystic beacon
There's a doc?
foggy maple
There's a doc?
Thought so
boreal bone
There's a doc?
Still has to be made
rugged salmon
Mmmh I have one but maybe not a great idea to just post it here.
Maybe I'll just dm a couple peeps who I can trust here.
foggy maple
Mmmh I have one but maybe not a great idea to just post it here.
Dms fr
quasi crystal
dms are open always
mystic beacon
I have an idea, this is all well and good but a proper website may be more suited to this
foggy maple
I have an idea, this is all well and good but a proper website may be more suite...
Whos hosting
quasi crystal
and hosting
rugged salmon
We could also put it on neocities tbh.
mystic beacon
Whos hosting
That's the issue
quasi crystal
We could also put it on neocities tbh.
now that is a good idea
rugged salmon
Who was hostin' neocities again?
mystic beacon
Idk but I just looked it up and it looks like it would work
foggy maple
Can multiple people edit on neocities?
rugged salmon
Neocities is owned by powerman right?
quasi crystal
no
quasi crystal
Neocities is owned by powerman right?
wtfno
rugged salmon
Well tbh a google sheets is fine for now.
mystic beacon
This way we can link a bunch of useful resources
Frog drivers
Lutris driver install guide
Enabling rpm fusion
Our distro recommendations
Any other things we wanted to add
quasi crystal
neocities is a company
rugged salmon
Maybe we are over complicating it.
quasi crystal
and they do free static hosting
rugged salmon
neocities is a company
Oh lol
rugged salmon
nvm then.
quasi crystal
lets just register pcmrlinux.neocities.org and make pages for stuff
mystic beacon
^^
quasi crystal
pure html and css is all you need
stoic geyser
Sveltekit can compile to static html and css
rugged salmon
You can also ship zero js if you want.
mystic beacon
That is kinda funny
boreal bone
rugged salmon
Astro is also an option.
quasi crystal
this is why computing is shit nowdays
mystic beacon
Why not just write it in html and css? It doesn't have to be fancy it just needs to not look aids
quasi crystal
you already have a simple and easy way to create websites (css, html)
rugged salmon
That way you ship zero JS to the browser but can have type safe markdown docs for the dev.
quasi crystal
and you choose to overcomplicate with a fucken library or framework or compiler
rugged salmon
HTMX 
quasi crystal
soydev
stoic geyser
The svelte language is much easier than just using static html and css
quasi crystal
The svelte language is **much** easier than just using static html and css
false
its overcomplicating for no reason
rugged salmon
Tbh a Google sheet is fine for now.
stoic geyser
Try making a table from a json array in html and css
rugged salmon
Can't we just make a minimum viable product for now?
stoic geyser
yeah i can do that with a bash script
I can do that with 3 lines of code in svelte
rugged salmon
This way we can link a bunch of useful resources
Frog drivers
Lutris driver in...
This does already overcomplicate it a bit tbh.
foggy maple
Can't we just make a minimum viable product for now?
We need a prototype 🗣️
quasi crystal
I can do that with 3 lines of code in svelte
lines of code arent a valid metric
rugged salmon
Svelte is easier than web components tbh.
foggy maple
Anyway let me know when that google sheets or docs whatever exists
mystic beacon
rugged salmon
Yeah I have one how do I share a link with edit perms?
foggy maple
Close them tabs
mystic beacon
Idk
quasi crystal
stop that until we stop arguing
stoic geyser
{#each array.data as line}
<p>{line.content}</p>
{/each}
I'll get around to it
stoic geyser
Close them tabs
I have over 100
mystic beacon
stop that until we stop arguing
Fair enough
rugged salmon
foggy maple
I'll get around to it
No do it now no procrastinating
foggy maple
Invite me 👌
stoic geyser
foggy maple
Infinity 😭
mystic beacon
Paste the edit link here I reckon, we can argue on the doc.
stoic geyser
Infinity 😭
Its what shows up after you cross 100 open tabs
foggy maple
O
rugged salmon
Oh I found it.
quasi crystal
Fair enough
kek get fucked i just said that so i could snipe it
mystic beacon
Lol
rugged salmon
Who wants access to the Google sheets?
foggy maple
Me
mystic beacon
Who wants access to the Google sheets?
Me
rugged salmon
Shitpostin' is instant block on Discord, revert of history and kick from the sheet btw.
mystic beacon
Lol
quasi crystal
kek
rugged salmon
We'll we didn't discuss the layout yet so I didn't add anything yet.
mystic beacon
Google docs is arse
rugged salmon
We could just steal the layout from the monitor guys if we wanted tbh.
mystic beacon
Why not
rugged salmon
Seems like a pretty solid layout for explainin' distros + a section they can use to further research themselves.
@quasi crystal want access too?
mystic beacon
I mean Kenzie does hold the neocities domain lol
rugged salmon
If Kenzie wants to turn the spreadsheet into a neocities site later feel free.
I think a basic spreadsheet is fine for now.
mystic beacon
Yeah for now it's fine, if google docs will ever work for me on my phone
rugged salmon
I don't feel the need to add instructions rn.
Maybe even linking to Arch wiki is fine later.
mystic beacon
Lovely
mystic beacon
Imagine not using neovim
quasi crystal
for me its
mystic beacon
Ok emacs is the other acceptable option
rugged salmon
So @foggy maple and me were thinkin' to use the following column layout
Distro | Difficulty | package manager | lightweight ness or whatever
foggy maple
Just as a example
quasi crystal
logo | distro | difficulty | package manager | short desc | overall rating
foggy maple
Logo?
quasi crystal
a png of the logo
rugged salmon
Sure
foggy maple
a png of the logo
Probably by the name sure
Dont want it to be the spotlight
like this
quasi crystal
its next to distro
mystic beacon
logo | distro | difficulty | package manager | short desc | overall rating
I like that one but add | quirks (for stuff like rpmfusion)
foggy maple
Where its small like the text
mystic beacon
Fair
rugged salmon
Logo | distro | short desc | difficulty | DE | package manager | overall rating?
foggy maple
`Logo | distro | short desc | difficulty | DE | package manager | overall rating...
Id say description near the end
quasi crystal
ye
rugged salmon
Isn't the description more important for newbies?
mystic beacon
You could mention de in description
foggy maple
you can install all des on all distros
Like new users will know that
rugged salmon
package manager should be cut out too then imo.
quasi crystal
Isn't the description more important for newbies?
ye but if its long they wont notice package manager overall rating
rugged salmon
And potentially mention this in the description I guess.
quasi crystal
yeah sure
rugged salmon
I mean it is handy if you want to sort on one column.
foggy maple
Isn't the description more important for newbies?
Idk seems weird to have a large amount of text near tiny amounts
rugged salmon
But may overcomplicate it for newbies.
quasi crystal
or actually no. package manager seperate purely because we had a guy earlier today asking why does arch have no apt how do i install mullvad vpn
after which he tried to pacman -S mullvad-vpn.deb
mystic beacon
I'd say that package manager should be on its own before description, and they can mostly skim over it because it doesn't take much space
quasi crystal
yes
rugged salmon
I mean most peeps find apt-get online and think they can use that on every distro.
foggy maple
I got an idea
rugged salmon
Sure go ahead Wooper.
mystic beacon
I mean most peeps find apt-get online and think they can use that on every distr...
Exactly
foggy maple
But like its gonna be an hour and a half before i can show it off
quasi crystal
which is why it should be seperate
foggy maple
Actually i can probably draw it
quasi crystal
But like its gonna be an hour and a half before i can show it off
take your time king
cook hard
mystic beacon
But like its gonna be an hour and a half before i can show it off
No rush mate
rugged salmon
@quasi crystal do you want access to the google sheets?
rugged salmon
Okay
mystic beacon
I'm gone for now but ill be back later
rugged salmon
Sure sure.
It is gettin' pretty late over here I might go to bad in a couple of hours.
I trust the peeps who I've provided full access to 💜.
foggy maple
De=desktop environment
Pm=package manager
D=distro
It doesnt need to be this exact layout of columns but my point is lets explain package managers and desktop environments first and then have a list of distros so that people know what they are getting in to when they choose a distro with pacman or plasma
If that makes sense
rugged salmon
Or that could be a seperate tab.
And if someone wants more info they could click on a link in the short desc and go to what you drew over there.
foggy maple
Or that could be a seperate tab.
True
rugged salmon
Your thoughts on that?
foggy maple
I think tabs would work
rugged salmon
I just don't want to overcomplicate it for the user.
Some peeps might just want a distro that works with Nvidia.
Or looks like Windows.
(KDE)
foggy maple
Would it be possible to make every mention of a package manager or de a link to the tab
rugged salmon
Every tab has its own ID:
However that may be prone to breakin'.
Not sure how fool proof that is.
boreal bone
Can you have tags or similar on docs? For like #novideo #easy #guhnome etc
foggy maple
I was talking about a link to the tab listing desktop environments or package managers
rugged salmon
Every tab has its own ID:
Yeah you mean this right Wooper?
This literally links to another tab.
supple ridge
are nvidia drivers that hard to install on debian distros?
quasi crystal
you ask your parent to install it in a vm
supple ridge
lol
quasi crystal
and measure how many tips you need to tell them
foggy maple
Also system requirements is gonna suck
foggy maple
you ask your parent to install it in a vm
They would all be 10
rugged salmon
Also system requirements is gonna suck
That's kinda overcomplicatin' it tbh.
foggy maple
Idk how it would be simpler
quasi crystal
Also system requirements is gonna suck
system requirements
- celeron n4050
- 512MB ddr2
- 5GB emmc
for every distro ever
rugged salmon
If you want lower system requirements it would be Gentoo with DWM in the most extreme case tbh.
Linux Mint with XFCE is pretty light weight tbh.
Should be fine in most cases imo.
quasi crystal
If you want lower system requirements it would be Gentoo with DWM in the most ex...
low system requirements
gentoo
foggy maple
I just got rid of the system requirements row
supple ridge
If you want lower system requirements it would be Gentoo with DWM in the most ex...
i mean compile times will be an issue
foggy maple
And unbiased ratings
rugged salmon
i mean compile times will be an issue
You can get precompiled Gentoo
foggy maple
We need a measurement system
For difficulty and ratings
supple ridge
you can?
foggy maple
I need like a list of distros
rugged salmon
I just got rid of the system requirements row
We could mention it in a tab or description tbh.
I don't dislike your idea tbh.
foggy maple
just do the ones you know
Well i dont really know a lot of them
quasi crystal
i do
foggy maple
Difficulty wise that is
supple ridge
Difficulty wise that is
well, like kenzie said, ubuntu is in almost every guide so i guess that makes it not very difficult
foggy maple
@rugged salmon is dnf a package manager?
rugged salmon
Should we even mention Manjaro at all?
To warn peeps against it in the description?
rugged salmon
Okay
foggy maple
And worse ones at the bottom
supple ridge
Should we even mention Manjaro at all?
what’s wrong with manjaro?
quasi crystal
Should we even mention Manjaro at all?
we should have a red square off to the side with manjaro
rugged salmon
Yeah agreed
And add a vid in the description warnin' against it ;).
We can do something similar to the monitor list
quasi crystal
vid
balmy zincBOT
foggy maple
Is it easy to move columns?
foggy maple
You can drag them
@rugged salmon can you sort distros?
I have 0 clue which are good and bad
rugged salmon
The distros can be sorted on rating tbh.
But I find it hard to give a rating.
Monitor list doesn't give a concrete rating either.
foggy maple
Yea we need criterias
rugged salmon
They just recommend some good options in bold dependin' on your usecase.
quasi crystal
ease of install
ease of use
number of random issues
documentation
rugged salmon
Sure
What is the weight of each option though Kenzie-chi?
Or do we just say they are all equally important?
quasi crystal
scale all of the above from 1-5 and then add them together and divide by two
so you get a 0-10 with halves
foggy maple
This is one way to market your os
rugged salmon
Okay I have an idea.
quasi crystal
This is one way to market your os
quasi crystal
force them to pick one
rugged salmon
Then I could make a google forms and calculate the ratin' based on all the former results.
quasi crystal
and then we vote and most popular ones win
rugged salmon
and then we vote and most popular ones win
But then there are a ton of distro's to choose from tbh.
quasi crystal
also whats the case for gentoo
i wouldnt say very hard i would say like a 6/10 in difficulty
its just time consuming
rugged salmon
Suggest some distros here and ask #linux to pick distros from "Good gamin' distro", "Good light weight distro", "Good server distro", "Windows like" categories?
foggy maple
Put indivudal ratings in the note @rugged salmon
rugged salmon
Put indivudal ratings in the note <@533990344115879946>
Sure that could work.
rugged salmon
i wouldnt say `very hard` i would say like a 6/10 in difficulty
Do you know all compilation flags though?
quasi crystal
do you mean cflags or use flags?
rugged salmon
Let's just say Arch and Gentoo are both hard but in different ways tbh.
Is that fair enough?
quasi crystal
sure
rugged salmon
Tbh with Linux Mint you can decide the DE flavour too.
Or do we go based on the default recommended option?
quasi crystal
didnt mint like make cinnamon
so it makes sense for it to use the DE they made
so id say mint is cinnamon
rugged salmon
This sits on top.
First thing newbies will see.
I don't think we really need to mention that Cinnamon and Cosmic are gnome forks tbh.
quasi crystal
why is the united nations office for disarmament affairs here
foggy maple
What are the rating criterias
rugged salmon
With Cosmic they are rewritin' a lotta stuff in Rust and it is movin' more and more away from the original.
Same can be said with Cinnamon tbh.
rugged salmon
ease of install
ease of use
number of random issues
documentation
@foggy maple
However keep in mind that the more we add the more we will need to maintain.
Because this list will not stay up to date forever without intervention.
Not sure how to describe the installer of Fedora.
foggy maple
<@681254811538030655>
Can you add ratings in the notes btw
quasi crystal
rugged salmon
Uh you want me to add a number to all of them?
foggy maple
I guess
rugged salmon
I haven't use all of the distros on the list though admittedly.
foggy maple
Just like out of 10
quasi crystal
lets not get ahead of ourselves
foggy maple
It just seems weird to list something as hard then not justify it
rugged salmon
A number is pretty difficult tbh.
We can also go for the same idea as Difficulty and go with bad, decent, good, very good?
quasi crystal
good idea
quasi crystal
ye right
foggy maple
So all that added up is 35
35/4=8.75
Whats going on here
I thought we were going top to bottom
rugged salmon
Lol
Kenzie-chi we could maybe also make a filter based on rating, difficulty and DE for the distros which are recommended rn.
foggy maple
Im thinking we put manjaro and all the ones you should avoid down instead of to the side
And just label it as not recommended
rugged salmon
I'll log off for today. I'll help tomorrow since it is 3AM alr.
quasi crystal
Im thinking we put manjaro and all the ones you should avoid down instead of to ...
yes but if theyre clearly visible with an avoid label its easier
rugged salmon
You guys can write down what you think in the description as a proof of concept.
We can always tweak it later.
DW about the small details rn.
foggy maple
yes but if theyre clearly visible with an `avoid` label its easier
We can put it in nice big bold text
quasi crystal
sure
foggy maple
This is better imo
rugged salmon
Why explain the DE and PM if you ain't recommending it anyway?
Well sure I guess.
Doesn't matter that much.
foggy maple
@quasi crystal can you remove your comment
rugged salmon
I'll add a vid tomorrow with an extra explanation.
foggy maple
We do the ratings with notes
quasi crystal
<@773274174331289642> can you remove your comment
oh i dont actually have write access im just spying
foggy maple
Then who wrote it
quasi crystal
well it says bread
quasi crystal
are you sure you can send that link here
charred sluice
guess emichi sent bread the link then
rugged salmon
As long as Bread ain't shitpostin' it's fine tbh.
I'll go to bed now fr.
Night night.
quasi crystal
gn emichi
charred sluice
bugs should be 11/10 tbh
quasi crystal
i agree
charred sluice
or manjaro/10
charred sluice
bugs: bricked m2 macbook/10
(luckily mine isnt bricked cause i didnt install manjaro)
(broken asahi linux kernel)
foggy maple
Its decent though
Bread left this btw
I just copied it over before i knew who they were
Told be what
charred sluice
i just didnt get screenshot
but they did tell me they got dmed the link before they told you
charred sluice
i just didnt get screenshot
to clarify i mean screenshot of convo with emichi
quasi crystal
where the fuck is the CE button in the gnome calculator
foggy maple
So who is loris anyway
quasi crystal
anonymous loris
foggy maple
where the fuck is the CE button in the gnome calculator
Check keybinds
charred sluice
tbh idk
charred sluice
if its anonymous it probably means they don't have specific access
foggy maple
Well they were editing the note
quasi crystal
if its anonymous it probably means they don't have specific access
it means not signed into google
charred sluice
maybe its set so anyone with the link can edit
quasi crystal
kek dont
charred sluice
i dont even have the link
supple ridge
maybe it’s the bot
charred sluice
tbh im unsure if ease of use being 7/10 is warranted
sometimes you can run into odd issues on arch that you have to figure out yourself
i mean ease of use is up there but you gotta do a lot extra in installation to get there
quasi crystal
archinstall does most of it
and after its done it is very easy to use
you dont have to fuck arround with rpmfusion or ppas or use flags or overlays
you just paru -s and it works
charred sluice
archinstall does most of it
oh even the aur helper?
quasi crystal
no
charred sluice
told ya
quasi crystal
ratio
foggy maple
Guys we should recommend every pentesting distro known to man
Totally useful information
stoic geyser
Shoutout to google sheets
ive always just used ctrl + k
mystic beacon
Kali blackarch ParrotOs, am I missing many?
stoic geyser
https://www.comptia.org/blog/linux-distributions-for-ethical-hacking-and-pen-testing
half of these i havent heard of
foggy maple
So they both come preinstalled?
stoic geyser
foggy maple
All we got so far
mystic beacon
So they both come preinstalled?
I thought Kali shipped with xfce lol
foggy maple
I thought Kali shipped with xfce lol
I got 0 clue at this point
stoic geyser
i thought so too
mystic beacon
All we got so far
Based
I had it on a usb at one point and it was defo xfce but maybe they have updated it
foggy maple
So its user selection
stoic geyser
looks like xfce out of the box though
foggy maple
Anyone got anything else to add
Need someone to do ratings
I can only really vouch for kubuntu
stoic geyser
All we got so far
i would add alpine
foggy maple
Where at
stoic geyser
hard
same as arch
same description too, just note that nvidia gpus are NOT supported because of musl
stoic geyser
and as a rating, 9/10 (in my eyes), veink would be someone else to vouch for alpine
stoic geyser
???
i mean, yes, but i feel that people would choose arch before alpine. You yourself say its "a meme distro" (which its not)
foggy maple
Alright @stoic geyser can you add some stuff
All i can do is get basic info
I know nothing about description or rating
stoic geyser
Alright <@467440228651630602> can you add some stuff
i dont have the link for the sheet
foggy maple
Idk who the other person is but put the rating in the note @stoic geyser
Then average it out
If bugs is like 2/10 then it counts as +8 since you want the score low
I got 0 clue who everyone is here
stoic geyser
Idk who the other person is but put the rating in the note <@467440228651630602>
i did
i got it
i misunderstood
foggy maple
If bugs is like 2/10 then it counts as +8 since you want the score low
.
This too
Rating should be 6.8/10
mystic beacon
I'm having to download Google sheets cause I can't edit it in browser on mobile
foggy maple
I'm having to download Google sheets cause I can't edit it in browser on mobile
It sucks
On the bright side you get dark mode tho
stoic geyser
Rating should be 6.8/10
wait im confused
mystic beacon
On the bright side you get dark mode tho
Dark reader gives me that
foggy maple
Dark reader gives me that
Dark reader also just inverts the page and kind of make it look bad
mystic beacon
Eh, good enough for me
Hue are we doing the ratings, just averaging everyone's scores?
stoic geyser
im going to make a comment, and everybody put their username in said thread
mystic beacon
Also are we rating it on goodness of the distro or how good it is for a new user
foggy maple
im going to make a comment, and everybody put their username in said thread
Just make a note
stoic geyser
somebody is probably updating bread in dms
foggy maple
I hate that it doesnt show the anonymous names we have
Also dont mind my email name that was stupid
stoic geyser
i thought it would
foggy maple
Literally being spied on
stoic geyser
LOL
quasi crystal
kekw
foggy maple
Also can we change the comment to a note
For simplicity sake
And so it goes with everything else
stoic geyser
i have no idea how to add a note
foggy maple
Just delete your comment
stoic geyser
i already did
stoic geyser
i had it open twice by mistake
foggy maple
Its got a tab like a note is there
stoic geyser
so are you anonymous hedgehog?
foggy maple
But when i go to add one it closes the box
foggy maple
so are you anonymous hedgehog?
0 clue man
mystic beacon
Where do we put the username?
stoic geyser
im on B15
mystic beacon
I'm on c16
stoic geyser
okay, so spagett is anonymous quokka
foggy maple
I think the names change each time u log on it anyway rip
stoic geyser
im on b15
stoic geyser
I think the names change each time u log on it anyway rip
why
mystic beacon
That's annoying
foggy maple
This note is pissing me off
The orange should not mix with the red
Not in like a racist way though
stoic geyser
i dont even see a note
foggy maple
Lets just go back to comments
stoic geyser
dang, ublock origin is blocking a lot lol
mystic beacon
I've fixed up "instillation to be installation"
foggy maple
i dont even see a note
Let me just refresh
stoic geyser
you can see emails, but not names
mystic beacon
Well I'm laar@tutanota.com
quasi crystal
hey whered you get my email from
foggy maple
Thank god
quasi crystal
hey whered you get my email from
i dont even have write access to the form
stoic geyser
hey whered you get my email from
you sent it at one point
quasi crystal
i see
stoic geyser
it was when you sent the email to the stallman
foggy maple
My nobara rating
Bugs go crazy
stoic geyser
and spagett's is on spagett's github
mystic beacon
Oh
foggy maple
So 8/10 bugs is only 2 points
mystic beacon
I thought higher better
foggy maple
No we complicated like that
mystic beacon
Lil
stoic geyser
Bruh, my phone added you as contacts lol
quasi crystal
quick call him
stoic geyser
no phone number, just email
foggy maple
Hopefully this makes sense
quasi crystal
lower bug ratings are better
foggy maple
Fr
mystic beacon
K
foggy maple
I fr though this was android when i first added it
Considering they do have arm releases
stoic geyser
I fr though this was android when i first added it
lol
apk stands for Alpine Package Keeper
balmy zincBOT
mystic beacon
Maybe this is overcomplicating it but what if I make a table on another sheet that allows everyone to put their rating in for each distro and it will automatically average it out
stoic geyser
it doesnt hurt
foggy maple
Maybe this is overcomplicating it but what if I make a table on another sheet th...
Issue is that i know nothing about these other distros
And yea it is a little hard to get a unbiased opinion
mystic beacon
Yeah but averages will help with bias
foggy maple
Does the argument go before or after the directory
quasi crystal
Maybe this is overcomplicating it but what if I make a table on another sheet th...
yes but theres people like gorgon who think that alpine is a good distro and theres people like me that unironically use gentoo phone
quasi crystal
Does the argument go before or after the directory
either
mystic beacon
Yep
foggy maple
Yeah but averages will help with bias
Except i cant rate them because i know nothing about them
mystic beacon
And both extremes will cancel eachother out
foggy maple
Probably just a me issue fr
mystic beacon
Except i cant rate them because i know nothing about them
Then don't rate em
I'll make it so it only averages filled cells
stoic geyser
Does the argument go before or after the directory
you need -r in order to delete directories
stoic geyser
Except i cant rate them because i know nothing about them
my advice is to maybe do an install of each one, and give it a try for a little while?
foggy maple
my advice is to maybe do an install of each one, and give it a try for a little ...
Thats a whole lot of commitment
Idk i just feel like averaging ratings wont really help if not every one does it
stoic geyser
@quasi crystal they arent
foggy maple
How is this being done again?
I feel like we should just stick with the current system
mystic beacon
How is this being done again?
Basically everyone has their own collum, then on the right it will be the average
Those numbers are just placeholders
mystic beacon
Just so I can get the formula right
foggy maple
I personally just say we edit the current ratings if they dont seem right
Yea i dont think is gonna work @mystic beacon
mystic beacon
Yeah idk
foggy maple
Lets just stick with the current system and make changes we dont agree with
mystic beacon
Go on with the other idea for now and I'll just plot along with this and see if I can come up with a solution
foggy maple
Lets just average out our current ratings
If you see and 8 and think it should be a 6 make it a 7
rugged salmon
<@533990344115879946> can we turn of the anonymous thing lol
That requires everyone to use an email.
Which makes it less accessible.
foggy maple
Ummm with all due respect
You need a email to make a discord account
We already doxxed ourselves fr
mystic beacon
I mean this takes up more space but it works
mystic beacon
How boring
foggy maple
quasi crystal
I mean this takes up more space but it works
why are you adding me i dont have write access
add bread instead
mystic beacon
Skill issue
rugged salmon
I mean this takes up more space but it works
Uh sorry I was away for half a day.
What's the intention of this?
mystic beacon
Well there are 2 ways we could do ratings
mystic beacon
1 is just people put in the rating and if they thing it should be a 6 but it's at 8 change it to 7
Or I was thinking we do a table so everyone can just rate em and it averages it out
foggy maple
Thats what im saying
mystic beacon
Why is everyone but me wrong :p
foggy maple
.
rugged salmon
Unless you guys disagree.
foggy maple
If you see and 8 and think it should be a 6 make it a 7
.
All im saying
Is who is really gonna go to the 2nd page
When they already got the info they need
rugged salmon
I mean this takes up more space but it works
Keep this for now and write down what you know for each distro.
Combine it into a summary later.
mystic beacon
Is who is really gonna go to the 2nd page
It's more for us to have an easier time. I personally prefer this way but not a major amount so if everyone disagrees I'm fine with just doing it your way.
stoic geyser
@rugged salmon check your inbox
foggy maple
Idk im just trying to see the use of it
rugged salmon
My email?
foggy maple
Imo it doesnt seem very practical
stoic geyser
Yes
foggy maple
No honeypot right?
its a grabify link
rugged salmon
I only see Good mornin' in my inbox.
stoic geyser
~~its a grabify link~~
I'm not evil
stoic geyser
I only see Good mornin' in my inbox.
I sent you an email, saying Good Morning Emica
foggy maple
@mystic beacon you like broke my part
rugged salmon
Ty I guess.
mystic beacon
Whoops
mystic beacon
Fixed, rights have been restored
stoic geyser
Gorgon did I alr give you access to the sheet?
I got the link
mystic beacon
Gimme some time
foggy maple
Alright
mystic beacon
I'm working on it
stoic geyser
@mystic beacon why are you cheese bacon lol...?
mystic beacon
Cause, it's a throwaway account I use for YouTube and nothing else
stoic geyser
Oh okay
foggy maple
Shoutout to themes not working
Changing the chart background does nothing
Oh
Chart
Not spreadsheet im stupid
Dark mode anyone?
quasi crystal
ew no
stoic geyser
Dark mode anyone?
this i will unfortunately have to say no to
charred sluice
no
rugged salmon
Nah keep it simple tbh.
stoic geyser
i hate light mode, but in this case, its just overdone
quasi crystal
light mode chads we keep winning
charred sluice
also being a light mode user feels powerful sometimes
just being able to flashbang dark mode users without trying
stoic geyser
also being a light mode user feels powerful sometimes
it feels like you enjoy being flashbanged...
charred sluice
it feels like you enjoy being flashbanged...
except being in light mode consistently doesnt feel like being flashbanged
quasi crystal
light mode fixes my sleep schedule because me eyes hurty
charred sluice
random dark mode webpages are a lot less disruptive than random light mode
quasi crystal
light mode fixes my sleep schedule because me eyes hurty
(t. went to sleep at 05:40 woke up 07:20)
stoic geyser
almost everything in my life is dark... My walls (dark blue), every single wallpaper, every single website
charred sluice
light mode fixes my sleep schedule because me eyes hurty
my eyes hurt when looking at dark mode for extended periods of time
quasi crystal
almost everything in my life is dark... My walls (dark blue), every single wallp...
your teeth
stoic geyser
your teeth
i wish they were dark
rugged salmon
You guys and gals talkin' about darkmode when the original goal was a simple distro list
charred sluice
almost everything in my life is dark... My walls (dark blue), every single wallp...
most of my wallpapers are on the darker side even if i use light mode
and i set it up so my dock/system bar on macos is also in dark mode
quasi crystal
~~i wish they were dark~~
you wish you had teeth. sadly, AIs dont have bones
foggy maple
You ever just a read a word so much it doesnt seem real anymore
charred sluice
i find having a dark mode taskbar/desktop/etc contrasts well with light mode apps
stoic geyser
You guys and gals talkin' about darkmode when the original goal was a simple dis...
we have to establish supremacy lol
foggy maple
Like who even came up with avoid
rugged salmon
Like who even came up with avoid
Yesterday we did right?
stoic geyser
you wish you had teeth. sadly, AIs dont have bones
teeth arent bone... they are enamel
rugged salmon
Because we realised how big of a menace Manjaro was to society.
charred sluice
i find having a dark mode taskbar/desktop/etc contrasts well with light mode app...
looks really nice when youve got gaps on a twm too
rugged salmon
Blasphemy of the highest order.
quasi crystal
teeth arent bone... they are enamel
thats what an ai would say
foggy maple
Yesterday we did right?
I was talking about the actual word
charred sluice
thats what an ai would say
gorgon actually doesnt like that, can you stop
stoic geyser
thank you tsuki
charred sluice
zee started it and used it to harass gorgon and they dont like the "joke" being used
gaunt current
Is the ratings page supposed to automate the ratings?
foggy maple
Supposed to be a 2nd option
To average them out
Though i personally cant really help with it
mystic beacon
Don't include /10 in the table, the formula can't deal with it
mystic beacon
Perfect
mystic beacon
It does 10 - bug rating
rugged salmon
Big sad
foggy maple
Huh
rugged salmon
Friendly reminder
What's "shitty" in this context and should we explain that?
gaunt current
I'm on my phone give me a break
foggy maple
What's "shitty" in this context and should we explain that?
Umm idk i didnt write it
gaunt current
What's "shitty" in this context and should we explain that?
I'll change it to unnecessarily confusing or something idk
foggy maple
It wont auto expand smh
gaunt current
What is blad5
foggy maple
Its not manjarno its digiorno
foggy maple
What is blad5
Idk some shit breadtard added
gaunt current
Checks out
quasi crystal
What is blad5
it means sheet 5 in dutch
rugged salmon
Yup yup
gaunt current
Btw once the sheet is done you should probably change the perms
foggy maple
Yea
rugged salmon
I'll prob change it to read only.
foggy maple
One of these just sounds like an ad lol
rugged salmon
And if Eegras wants control over it, I can transfer access or he can make a copy.
foggy maple
Just gonna give up all our work to him smh
gaunt current
Smh my head
rugged salmon
Just gonna give up all our work to him smh
Well if you guys don't like it we can always upload a spreadsheet file instead.
I think for some commands some peeps have done that before.
foggy maple
Spreadsheet.png
rugged salmon
A link is preferably because we wouldn't need to submit a new pr every time we change something.
gaunt current
Yeah
Also we probably shouldn't totally turn it over because someone needs to maintain the list
foggy maple
Seems good
gaunt current
Good addition
foggy maple
Also we probably shouldn't totally turn it over because someone needs to maintai...
Yea even if its view only @rugged salmon can still edit it since they made it
rugged salmon
If peeps dislike it I can also hand control over to someone else.
foggy maple
I call dibs
foggy maple
It was just you saying someone was trolling or someone getting trolled
gaunt current
Your could give edit access to us and then set the base perms to read only
Or some variation or that
foggy maple
foggy maple
Your could give edit access to us and then set the base perms to read only
Agreed
charred sluice
Seems good
what distros are those for
gaunt current
Kali and blackarch
foggy maple
Also if you guys want to add distro logos for looks
Just insert it over cells but size them down
If its in cell (reddit user reference) then its gonna be too small
gaunt current
Ofc
foggy maple
Perfect
gaunt current
Lmao
rugged salmon
Kubuntu suppremacy /s.
foggy maple
Just do something like this
Thought it will be difficult for ones with only 1 line
Or row whatever
Just make the description longer
Pad it out
mystic beacon
If people want to use the spreadsheet I have finished the table
undone pollen
There's a thread?
foggy maple
No this is just a string
foggy maple
Just do something like this
Could someone finish up the logos
stoic geyser
@undone pollen do you agree with my rating of alpine?
foggy maple
So how does the bug rating work
Check the note on the rating
stoic geyser
foggy maple
@undone pollen
undone pollen
<@429354512453730325> do you agree with my rating of alpine?
Idfk I can't even find ta
@mystic beacon AAAAHHHHHHHH
So
stoic geyser
wait why do pings scale too...?
mystic beacon
?
undone pollen
Why did ya remove the distro names from the bottom set of ratings
Can I add em back?
undone pollen
PEOPLE!
IF YOU DON'T RATE ALL THE DISTROS, IT WILL FUCK UP THE CALCULATION
For example Whooper is giving a total score of 5 to Arch
And I doubt he ment that
rugged salmon
Whats neocities?
Want access to the sheet Giuko-pyon?
I'll add my contribution tonight.
After work.
undone pollen
Or someone should fix the average calculation to not account for empty cells
gaunt current
I'll do my ratings in a couple hours
Btw I think it would be smart to have a way or placeholder for if we haven't actually used a distro
That would be hard to implement tho
Like, I've never used alpine before so I can't really give an objective rating
foggy maple
For example Whooper is giving a total score of 5 to Arch
Ping me 👌
rugged salmon
I only used Alpine in Docker before.
mystic beacon
Or someone should fix the average calculation to not account for empty cells
It shouldn't account for empty cells
I'm going to bed now, have fun
quasi crystal
gn
undone pollen
It shouldn't account for empty cells
Danh you stole orange
rugged salmon
Pretty sure you won't have a great time with Nvidia if you want to use Alpine.
They use MUSL right?
gaunt current
Iirc that's mentioned in the description
boreal bone
Want access to the sheet Giuko-pyon?
Would be sweet but as im on vacation rn i dont know how much i could contribute; dont have a pc with me and my mobile data just barely manages to load discord, sowwy ;(
Will keep sharing my opinion and suggestions here tho 
undone pollen
They use MUSL right?
It's musl, not MUSL
rugged salmon
Why does that matter?
undone pollen
Well wouldn't it be less work to not use caps if using caps is more wrong anyways?
rugged salmon
Sure I guess
gaunt current
@mystic beacon it might be smart to truncate the rating results because some of them are really long
rugged salmon
I added this: https://youtu.be/5KNK3e9ScPo
supple ridge
what is an SSL certificate?
quasi crystal
its a cryptographic key that makes https s
and so if an ssl certificate is expired or invalid you can only access a website with plaintext unencrypted http
supple ridge
I added this: https://youtu.be/5KNK3e9ScPo
that dude's bar is so horrible
rugged salmon
Not relevant to the topic tbh.
This is about how Manjaro is not good.
If we are goin' to be a pedantic like that the list will never be done.
Seems a bit interestin' that Pop! and Mint are scorin' so slow compared to Kubuntu I wonder why that's the case.
I'll make a vm and test them out tbh.
To see what the supposed "4.75" is.
supple ridge
ubuntu and debian packages are different?
quasi crystal
mint mixes debian and ubuntu repos, which expect different library versions