💾⠂Hardware & PC Building

[sand geyser]

First DDR5 system!

i5-1245U, 16gb of LPDDR5

X1 Carbon Gen 10 that has had a battery fire that's destroyed the woofers and touchpad, and slightly dented the bottom magnesium cover

[main flume]

congrats!

[sand geyser]

it was too good of a deal to pass up

<1 year old machine with an original price above 2000€ for 200€

[grand dragon]

200€?

wow

[sand geyser]

yep

carbon fibre/magnesium, 14" 1920x1200 400nit low power touchscreen, 1.12kg

amazing little thing

just need to buy new speakers, battery and touchpad

oh and windows hello face unlock is neat

[maiden hull]

For 200 that’s crazy

[sand geyser]

This was also included in the price

That's a literal piece of a blown up Li-Po cell on the last image

After cleaning:

[maiden hull]

Oh

So that’s why it was cheap

[sand geyser]

Yep, but it works well except the things I mentioned were broken

Sidenote: selling a T480 and T580

[nimble ingot]

ayo, for 200 is grazy

[sand geyser]

took a gamble

i knew it was on fire but booted to bios and screen worked

[nimble ingot]

and tou won

[restive ridge]

nice nipple

[nimble ingot]

get the other part off of aliexpres

[sand geyser]

i mean display alone would sell for like 150€

[nimble ingot]

or stole them from other pc

[sand geyser]

i'm getting geniune lenovo for this one

esp. since the battery trackpad and speaker quality can vary wildly

[nimble ingot]

true

[sand geyser]

it will be like 160€ instead of 70€ but that's worth it

[nimble ingot]

wait, it s touchscreen ?

[sand geyser]

and for this expensive of a laptop

[nimble ingot]

what ref ?

[sand geyser]

yep, but not glass touchscreen, plastic touchscreen

[nimble ingot]

lenovo laptop are too good, other brands are dogshit

[sand geyser]

panel is low power 1200p 16:10 60hz 400nit 100% sRGB

[nimble ingot]

sadge

[sand geyser]

good, less glare and less shit to break

[grand dragon]

i love your takes

[nimble ingot]

vivobook are nice

[sand geyser]

lenovo sucks too

[grand dragon]

so its beyer for headphones and lenovo for laptops

[nimble ingot]

but the vasy majority is just craptop

[sand geyser]

specific models are good

[nimble ingot]

yes

very specific ones

[sand geyser]

apple silicon, thinkpad T/X1/P series, some other high end no bullshit laptops

[main flume]

WHGAT

THAT IS IBNSAME

[sand geyser]

that was my reaction when I won it

needs work and will cost about 360€ when done

[restive ridge]

u won it?

[main flume]

ayction?

[sand geyser]

yeah, auction

[restive ridge]

oh great

[main flume]

goood

[sand geyser]

everybody else was a pussy not wanting a fire damaged laptop

[main flume]

stio cioyubg ne couler

[restive ridge]

learn to fucking type

[sand geyser]

doy yiu havei g a stroek

[main flume]

EON TO

[sand geyser]

call 112

[restive ridge]

https://tenor.com/view/chico-lachowski-francisco-gif-19253936

vladaad STEPPING on business

[sand geyser]

im@gonna need some bszsiness to fuel my car

0,14€ per km

[restive ridge]

are u gonna resell it

[sand geyser]

no i want this one too much

[restive ridge]

i mean 1800 bucks??

[sand geyser]

and reselling a fucking fire damaged machine with suspiciously no warranty and a slightly dented bottom case from the fire is stupid

[restive ridge]

also what gpu does it got

[sand geyser]

will fetch like 500€ max

[sand geyser]

Iris Xe 80EU

[restive ridge]

its got av1?

oh thats 2021 wth, but it ships with ddr5???

[sand geyser]

2022

av1 dec but not enc

i5-1245U

[sand geyser]

2p+8e

[restive ridge]

errrmm 🤓

[sand geyser]

dedicated gpu

yeah this is not a dedi desktop gpu

[restive ridge]

oh eww =((

[nimble ingot]

e cores

[sand geyser]

https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/iris-xe-graphics-80eu-mobile.c3882

[nimble ingot]

why not 3 p cores

[sand geyser]

idk, it's weird but ehhh

[nimble ingot]

2 cores in 2024

well 2023

grip

[sand geyser]

2 + maybe like 4 p core equivalents but slower clocks

i wonder how well itll perform

it's very much a power limited chip so you need to take that into account as well

[nimble ingot]

eh not sure, 12 th fen e cores where ew

they have been nerfed on 13th gen

[sand geyser]

ill see how it goes

i bought this not for the perf but for the screen and body mostly

[nimble ingot]

at least its efficient

[sand geyser]

and power efficiency should be good

iirc panel has PSR

sweet sweet package C10

[nimble ingot]

screen is sweat

my 8750h doesn t go below c7

even with unlocked bios

1.9 w idle, too much

even undervolt, itget like 3 hours battery

gaming craptop

[sand geyser]

my old 8350U is C8 max because no PSR

0.5w idle

maximum 0.7

[nimble ingot]

nice

[sand geyser]

combined with a 96wh battery that shit lasts forever

[nimble ingot]

i even have ht disabled

the stock asus bios was fucking dogshit

[sand geyser]

lenovo makes good bioses

no bullshit

[nimble ingot]

you cant even check legacy boot shit

you are locked to use one partition type

[sand geyser]

not much customization but they don't fuck up defaults

[sand geyser]

legacy boot can die i don't care

[nimble ingot]

but why would you bother hidding it

msi fuck defaults

not sure when msi will learn how to writte a bios

[sand geyser]

i've no idea, CSM related bugs on that specific laptop? idk

[main flume]

chainsawman mentioned!

[granite pollen]

They disabled gpu switching in the bios, I need to have a windows partition.

[nimble ingot]

you can prolly mod the bios to make it visible or grub it

[maiden hull]

User Choice Protection!

“You see, you actually don’t know what is best for you, so we hide the bad settings for your safety. You may think you know what you’re doing, but you don’t. This isn’t object-able, it’s the facts! If you say otherwise, you are automatically wrong!”

Man that sounds like one of my bad professors in one of my hw/sw classes

Literally would say something similar every class

[maiden hull]

https://www.asrock.com/mb/Intel/Z690 Extreme/index.asp#BIOS

https://www.amazon.com/ASROCK-Z690-Extreme-LGA1700-Motherboard/dp/B09JM81HF2/

This motherboard is so confusing but interesting to me

I’m curious if APO might amount to anything if this board somehow has a way to make it work on my 12700K

My 12700K has been doing absolutely nothing for the past few months and I’m wondering if this board might suit me well with Alder Lake virtualization

Some of the overviews I’ve seen pointed out how the lack of USB ports make it fail to be a budget motherboard and some other small things like power phases but I’m curious where that would actually matter for me

My intention is to put 128 GB of RAM since this is the max it supports

I’ll start off with my HP V10 as a start

First to check how far that RAM Bdie will go with just 2 sticks, and then if plugging 3600 MHz will just crap the pants with 4 sticks assuming this is a daisy chained board (I have yet to see any T-topology Z690 or Z790 motherboards but someone correct me if one does exist. Not that it matters as I care more about full capacity than speed

Ah nvm APO would be pointless for me but still an interesting board for the price

Alternatively I may make one of my systems a streaming pc if I choose to go that route. Unsure

I’m also in the position where in QA testing I need an Arc GPU for validation

Perhaps this build might be that opportunity

https://www.amazon.com/Predator-Overclocking-Graphics-Customize-DisplayPort/dp/B0BHKNK84Y/ at the time of post on sale ($299)

[polar valve]

will almost definitely just be the same as on your current board

[granite pollen]

System:
  Host: archbox Kernel: 6.8.5-1-cachyos-sched-ext arch: x86_64 bits: 64
  Desktop: Hyprland v: 0.38.1 Distro: CachyOS
Machine:
  Type: Laptop System: Micro-Star product: Bravo 15 C7VFK v: REV:1.0
    serial: <superuser required>
  Mobo: Micro-Star model: MS-158N v: REV:1.0 serial: <superuser required>
    UEFI: American Megatrends LLC. v: E158NAMS.314 date: 03/13/2024
Battery:
  ID-1: BAT1 charge: 2.7 Wh (5.5%) condition: 49.1/52.0 Wh (94.4%) volts: 11.8
    min: 11.4
CPU:
  Info: 8-core AMD Ryzen 9 7940HS w/ Radeon 780M Graphics [MT MCP]
    speed (MHz): avg: 491 min/max: 400/5263:6228:5423:5743:5583:6067:5903
Graphics:
  Device-1: NVIDIA AD107M [GeForce RTX 4060 Max-Q / Mobile] driver: nvidia
    v: 550.40.59
  Device-2: AMD Phoenix1 driver: amdgpu v: kernel
  Device-3: Luxvisions Innotech Integrated Camera driver: uvcvideo type: USB
  Display: wayland server: X.org v: 1.21.1.12 with: Xwayland v: 21.1.99
    compositor: Hyprland v: 0.38.1 driver: X: loaded: modesetting,nvidia
    dri: radeonsi gpu: nvidia,amdgpu resolution: 1: 1920x1080 2: 1920x1080
  API: OpenGL v: 4.6.0 compat-v: 4.5 vendor: nvidia mesa v: 550.40.59
    renderer: NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4060 Laptop GPU/PCIe/SSE2
Network:
  Device-1: Realtek RTL8111/8168/8211/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet
    driver: r8169
  Device-2: MEDIATEK MT7921K Wi-Fi 6E 80MHz driver: mt7921e
Drives:
  Local Storage: total: 931.51 GiB used: 182.76 GiB (19.6%)
Info:
  Memory: total: 40 GiB note: est. available: 38.45 GiB used: 2.53 GiB (6.6%)
  Processes: 372 Uptime: 1m Shell: Zsh inxi: 3.3.33

all the upgrades i wanted to do (for now) are done

the next one is going to be another ssd (for raid 0) but that can wait

[sand geyser]

40gb?

8gb soldered + 32gb stick?

that's a tiny battery for an r9+4060

[granite pollen]

it used to be a 7735HS, when i sent it back for the 4060 dying; they just upgraded it :/

[sand geyser]

that's goated tho

plus you get zen4

[granite pollen]

nah; its 8gb + 32gb not soldered. planning to upgrade to 64 down the line

[granite pollen]

yea

i wanted to alloc 32gb to my kvm when i use it

[sand geyser]

do you plan to upgrade the display in the future?

[granite pollen]

nah

its fine

1080p@144

[sand geyser]

yea but 56% sRGB and 300nit

[granite pollen]

i dont do graphics work on here

i dont need the acc

[sand geyser]

its not accuracy but colour range

i have a 72%srgb in my laptop and that already is washed out compared to everything else, like you don't get deep colours

[granite pollen]

i dont notice anything

[sand geyser]

fair enough

[granite pollen]

maybe will upgrade but not in the foreseeable future.

[sand geyser]

i mean fuck it go 4k 144 oled

[granite pollen]

if i do upgrade it would probably be 2.5k 165

ips

[maiden hull]

Yeah I expect that I’ll have to use 3200 MHz…. Again

[icy frigate]

What company do you guys recommend for deskmats/big mousepads? And do you guys think the g502 light speed is a good mouse?

[lone jackal]

why big mouspad

get skypad!1!

aech will object to my opinion but hes better at games and he has a skypad so

[grand dragon]

i wont

[lone jackal]

ok <3

[grand dragon]

but

https://www.pulsar.gg/collections/mouse-pad/products/superglide-mousepad?variant=44194566799614

main only issue with skypad is that it requires a sleeve

[lone jackal]

it REQUIRES a sleeve???

[maiden hull]

I never had to use a sleeve for a skypad

Unless you’re referring to your little sensitive skinny sausage arm being fragile like a tree branch the moment you touch something cold

[icy frigate]

🤣

Okay, so sky pad

[maiden hull]

NOT SO FAST

Price also is a factor

If it’s at a discount right now

[icy frigate]

How much it cost?

[maiden hull]

Then sure

That depends on the day!

[lone jackal]

85 non discount

goes to 50 on discount

[icy frigate]

Okay, not terrible

[lone jackal]

buy the big one pls the small one is uh... small.

[icy frigate]

I have a hien rn which was 140

[grand dragon]

for me

it does

[icy frigate]

Hm^^

[maiden hull]

That’s right folk that’s why I bought the BIGGEST one!

“BUT THE SM0L ONE IS CHEAPERRRRRRRR”

No shit

[icy frigate]

Lmaooo

Okay, so sky pad, sleeve and for mouse? Any recommendations or is the g502 light speed Ight?

[lone jackal]

anyone got the twitterpost that says estrogen makes ur aim better

[icy frigate]

I’ll have to buy some of that too^^

Need everything I can to boost my aim

[maiden hull]

Bro doesn’t know

Do you know what estrogen really is?

[icy frigate]

Yeah, do you?

[maiden hull]

Yes.

[icy frigate]

Good

Now, take some estrogen and be a good boy

😤

[polar valve]

g502 blows

[lone jackal]

found it

[trail moss]

does that mean its good or bad?

[polar valve]

awful

[icy frigate]

Damn

[trail moss]

why though

[icy frigate]

Okay

[trail moss]

the weight?

ive seen people praise it

[lone jackal]

v2 pro my beloved

[polar valve]

weight n performance

[trail moss]

i c

[polar valve]

its praised for being a tank

it lasts

[grand dragon]

OP!*K

[polar valve]

pretty shit apart from that

[polar valve]

+1

[icy frigate]

Okay, we’ll I had the superlight before, but I wasn’t a fan of the shape

[polar valve]

valid

[grand dragon]

rusting tank

[polar valve]

fuck superlight

[icy frigate]

What are your options on final mouse?

[polar valve]

overpriced

[icy frigate]

Okay, what wireless mouse do you recommend?

[grand dragon]

joke

meme

[grand dragon]

sora v2 with dongle

[icy frigate]

@polar valve, do you also second his statement^^

[lone jackal]

it looks so awful

[polar valve]

haven't looked into it

[lone jackal]

ugly mouse

!!

[icy frigate]

Lmaooooooooo

[polar valve]

i basically only consider wired mice nowadays

[lone jackal]

wiredo nly??!?

[polar valve]

but i trust aech on that one

[lone jackal]

i cant play without wir4eles

[grand dragon]

tanks

[icy frigate]

Yeah, I feel like I would prefer wireless

[grand dragon]

thats bad tho

you shouldnt

[lone jackal]

its som ucbh better

[polar valve]

meant specifically for that recommendation

[lone jackal]

acting like this mf isnt hideous

[polar valve]

seen other ppl recommend it too

[icy frigate]

I mean, wireless tech has gotten so good that it makes no difference wired or wireless

Practically the same

[polar valve]

mehhhh

[icy frigate]

So sora v2, that’s it?

[grand dragon]

i have to finally try x2h mini

op18k is getting annoying

[grand dragon]

what is your hand size

what is your grip

[icy frigate]

Ummm

I have to written down somewhere

Hold up

[polar valve]

was on phone when writing this

back on pc now

their measured performance is virtually identical nowadays, but input consistency is still not equal

[polar valve]

if youre not living in an optimal setting youll likely be seeing more inconsistency in super high polling rates on wireless

not that it matters for the most part

but it makes wireless 4k/8k practically unusable in my case for example

but that will vary so hard from person to person that its almost whatever

let me see them toes tellinq

[maiden hull]

?

[polar valve]

u read it

[maiden hull]

If you were in RSD you would know I may or may not have done an accidental feet reveal

[polar valve]

i was

in fact

in rsd

no tellinq toes in my dms though :(

[obsidian lion]

get this guy banned

[icy frigate]

I forget honestly

However, I was able to find out which mouse fits me better through some calculations

Ultralight x

Tiger - optimal size for hand

Simple: Hand go Mouse Ratio: 2.06
Complex: Height Ratio: 1.220
Complex: Width Ratio: 1.44

WLMouse Beast x

Almost perfect for hand size

Simple: Hand go Mouse Ratio: 2.02
Complex: Height Ratio: 1.261
Complex: Width Ratio: 1.37

Pwnage Stormbreaker

Simple: Hand go Mouse Ratio: 1.96
Complex: Height Ratio: 1.215
Complex: Width Ratio: 1.33

[polar valve]

which grip though

[icy frigate]

Umm

Is there a specific one I should learn?

[polar valve]

no

[icy frigate]

I think I’m a mix of claw and palm

I think my palm height was 9.5 and my palm width was like 8.5-9

Don’t have a ruler with me rn lol

But lowkey, I kind of want a mousepad that fits my 60% keyboard and mouse. And I’d play on « low sense » Would the sky pad really benefit me in that sense?

[maiden hull]

chat

it’s time I buy yet another cpu cooler for an unloved CPU

12700K for perspective. Very toasty brother. For perspective I’ve used both a Deepcool Castle 240EX and 360EX variant. 240mm resulted in 80C in Cinebench R23 multicore and 360mm resulted in ~75C

But it begs the question are there any air coolers nowadays that would offer similar performance to your standard AIO or would it just be a bred nightmare for a toasty boy

If not, that’s fine

Right now I wanna default to an Arctic Liquid Freezer III 360mm or 420mm (which would instead be for my 14900K and then I’ll use my Deepcool 360EX on the 12700K if I chose the 420mm route) if there’s no decent cheaper air cooler

I only ask this because I always defaulted for an AIO, but for a system that I expect to be used for virtualization or Arc driver testing, having to deal with AIO maintenance after a few years could be potentially annoying, but time will tell

To be fair all my AIOs have never needed maintenance unless I did a repaste which will likely come first anyways unless I just get some utter shit AIO that will clog or fail the moment I let my guard down

[summer rapids]

You should definitely do some more research if you can, but one of the top air coolers on the market right now in the Thermalright Frost Commander 140 or the Phantom Spirit 120 EVO. They are not on par with AIOs, but if you are willing to put a power limit you could make it work.

[icy frigate]

Anyone have experience with fan speed control in msi mb?

Thé RPM is clearly too high and my pc sounds like a jet engine lmaoo

[maiden hull]

Set to PWM

Set step down time to the longest (1.0s. It may show 0.7s at first) as for stressful tasks you want the fans to sustain a long time after

The curve will be dependent on what tasks and temps you are on though

[velvet isle]

Popular opinion is awful for any “gamer” accessories since such a large part of the community does so little research into them

When the majority get an actually decent take, they hold on to it until it’s half a decade out of date

[icy frigate]

Okay, i'll need to go back to BIOS since the MSI utility isn't doing shit for me lol

[maiden hull]

MSI utility for fan control is not really that good anyways

Oops wrong reply

[icy frigate]

okay

[maiden hull]

So use FanControl https://getfancontrol.com

[icy frigate]

i'll try your suggestion

Before i leave the bios, anything else I should change?

[lone jackal]

pet_the_atzur

[icy frigate]

Oops, I did this for my cpu instead of system fan. Does it matter?

[maiden hull]

I suggest getting a portable version of FanControl so you can mess with speed and noise level in real time

It’s all in experimentation and usage, not fully definitive values

Since in BIOS you’ll be limited in four values, I suggest doing this:

First point: Completely idle. Set it to a temp where idle is set +-3-6C. The speed should be virtually inaudible

Second: Light tasks. Set to whatever temp that lies for you, and a speed where the maximum value is inaudible for you OR not annoying

Third: Moderate but not full load. Noise shouldn’t be much of a concern at this point as you won’t get too far with temps, but look at the temp avg and then offset it by -5 to -8

Last: Stress test/full load. Since you’re on AM5 iirc it’ll peg at 95C no matter what. I’m gonna default to 80C at 100% no matter what. Let me know if the behavior is different

[maiden hull]

That works for now

However, remind me did you order an AIO? If so one of those is the pump header (which looks to be on the WRONG spot)

Pump headers need to run at full speed or a static speed above 60%

An alternative (and a bit more effective method for case fans is following this guide) https://youtu.be/W-lIUVfOEH0?si=hLc93kCljkT0qY1_

Whatever you do don’t listen to the pump suggestion - that is WRONG suggesting a slope

[icy frigate]

is it normal for my cpu to run at like 60-65 in game?

Like let’s just say I’m sitting in a lobby, my GPU temp is 42 and my cpu is at 50. Could this mean maybe I messed something up during the installation of the hardware

[obsidian lion]

yes

that’s completely fine

[maiden hull]

Anything under 80C is healthy, really 95C for AM5

However that’s workflow based

For Ryzen: 40-50C idle is fine (30-40C for Intel)

60-70 for games is fine too,

But for Ryzen very sure it’s supposed to peg at 95C

[velvet isle]

Depends on the draw on the CPU

If it’s extremely low, that’d be a bit high but whatever

If it’s high, then that’s good

Either way, as mentioned by others, that’s a completely safe temperature

[pale coral]

for an idea of how terrible my job can be in worst case scenarios, we just had a customer computer we couldnt fix for 3 days straight, we replaced gpu, cpu, motherboard, ram, ssd, legit every part and still no boot, so we jumped the pins to turn it on without the case wire, still no boot, we put on a test bench it worked, we we tested the voltage for all the case wires no issues, we plug back in everything and didn't work lmfao, it was a fucking short in the sata cable from case to psu..... all these issues caused by a sata to rgb built into the case 😭 yeah we shouldve done, open test bench first but we have a back order of 4 computers to fix on the test benches

[maiden hull]

I’m sure everything happened for a reason in that moment

Seems logical anyways if I was in your point of view

In my perspective if I see a system broken, I always say “it’s not trusted at all until it is proven to pass the 3-stage stability test”

For ANY part

Even for working parts i know work I don’t trust them

Everything behaves differently from each part for a reason

Some more stupid than others

Like shorts…

The ones from a case are the bane of my existence

But if no part was damaged other than the SATA cable at least the motherboard was doing its job: not shitting everything else

[sand geyser]

well, that's why you test on a bench to save time

[pale coral]

we had 4 other computers on test benches with other co workers working on em cause they were first shift, so I was stuck manually testing since i work second shift by the time i get there all the test benches are ocupied

[sand geyser]

get a test bench called cardboard box

[pale coral]

we can't the room we work on computer repairs can only space 4, and i work on computers on the sales floor, big genius bar area for computers stuff

I work on computers as ppl walk by asking questions

top down 3D render of the store, I work in the yellow box

big ass mf store for what

render works like nanites, closer you zoom in more details you get

[granite pollen]

you may have just revealed your identity

[granite pollen]

https://knowledgebar.microcenter.com/yonkers-ny/ top left

[tulip sage]

weirdo

[granite pollen]

jus lettin em know fr

[main flume]

we already knew that soju guy works at microcenter in ny

it's not that deep

[pale coral]

Knowledge bar is seperate area

Knowledge bar is for all tech/ store questions and my area is for all pc building questions

[granite pollen]

alr

[maiden hull]

There were 13 left in stock this morning

Now this

Doubt this board is ever coming back lol

[nimble ingot]

pwm is cancer

[strong sky]

what does that even mean

[sand geyser]

pwm goated

[maiden hull]

If he means fan PWM

Pulse Width Modulation

Some boards don’t handle PWM as equals others

Some put a hard cap on min and max

[strong sky]

i know what pwm is

but also his statement doesn't make sense

[maiden hull]

Yeah it’s pretty vague

But it’s pretty standard behavior of him

[insert here] is shit

Barely explain why

[strong sky]

i don't understand how you can put a max cap on pwm because just make the signal have 100% uptime?

[sand geyser]

pwm on monitors can be bad if it's badly implemented

pwm anywhere that's not a light source is a no brainer

[trail moss]

@sand geyser yo can you recommend a gaming laptop rq under $2400 for architecture work and preferably from lenovo

[velvet isle]

Any specific software?

And any rendering or just modeling

[trail moss]

Rendering too yes

[trail moss]

Not really

Needs to have a good gpu and multi core performance

And also atleast 32 gb of ram

And 1 tb of storage

[trail moss]

can someone tell me if this is a good deal or not

its about exactly $2400

yo @velvet isle u here?

[velvet isle]

https://www.newegg.com/eclipse-gray-asus-rog-strix-g18-g814jir-xs96-gaming/p/N82E16834236493?Item=N82E16834236493
https://www.newegg.com/0-black-asus-vivobook-pro-16x-3d-oled-k6604ji-es96-content-creation-home-personal/p/N82E16834236443?Item=9SIA7ABK6Z3296
https://www.newegg.com/storm-grey-lenovo-slim-pro-9i-83c00004us/p/N82E16834840211?Item=9SIA7ABJYM4578
https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16834233556?Item=9SIA8X5K581661
https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16834156425?Item=N82E16834156425
https://www.newegg.com/onyx-grey-aluminium-pc-abs-lenovo-legion-pro-5-16irx8-82wk00ahus-gaming/p/N82E16834840206?Item=N82E16834840206

Some other laptops for your consideration

[velvet isle]

Eh

You might want more vram

[trail moss]

alr

https://www.amazon.in/ASUS-i9-12900H-Gaming-Windows-G533ZXZ-LN116WS/dp/B0B93WJV6Z?refinements=p_36%3A17000000-20000000

@velvet isle opinion on this?

https://www.amazon.in/Acer-Predator-Processor-Windows-PH16-72/dp/B0CXPXT4XD?refinements=p_36%3A15000000-20000000

also this

[maiden hull]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1157242851168624702/1229065681153163376/VID_87711128_122046_762.mp4?ex=662e539d&is=661bde9d&hm=32a834402c3481ff36cfdc437d65ca406b4944cf93e8299d8fc01323ab0f9d67&

[granite pollen]

HP's bios is worse.

[velvet isle]

Not as good since it’s 12th gen (13/14 have better performance because of the p/e cores)

Also you’re wasting a lot of money on the display

[velvet isle]

Good but only 16 GB unless you upgrade

[trail moss]

got it

[trail moss]

alr thanks

[nimble ingot]

you can expand otherwise you will get scam

[trail moss]

👍🏾👍🏾

[main flume]

did you rob the bank already

[trail moss]

[trail moss]

i am jealous

[sand geyser]

That is an insane deal

[lone jackal]

13700f is like 250 and 4060ti is like 250 so p good deal ngl

[trail moss]

yep

[sand geyser]

4060ti is like 250
you guys get 16gb 4060tis for 250???

[polar valve]

we might be getting eu'd

cheapest 4060 ti i can find locally is €500 lel

[lone jackal]

250-300 pounds

🤷‍♂️

Last time I checked

Oh shit I was looking on eBay last time but still stands

Like 350 on Amazon

[maiden hull]

Well that’s lucky for you

How is the Arc A770 on the EU market?

[lone jackal]

320

[maiden hull]

Hm

Well that’s an interesting dilemma

[polar valve]

370 usd

[maiden hull]

Oh nvm

Ouch

At least me getting it for $299 was a good deal for me then

So far working well

Waiting for case

[polar valve]

not bad compared to other gpus to be fair

its only slightly more expensive than a 4060 8gb (much more expensive than its amd counterparts though)

[obsidian lion]

@polar valve i have obtained 4k hz dongle

it smells very strongly of chemicals

but a possibilty of cancer for 4k hz seems like a good deal

[maiden hull]

chemicals of a new device.

[tulip sage]

ive been using 4k hz

(cant tell diffrence)

[pale coral]

higher polling rates is noticeable at lower dpi

400 dpi becomes as smooth as 1600 on higher polling rates

[maiden hull]

@pale coral how often do you encounter ASRock boards out of all motherboard brands and do you have any specific opinions on them in general?

First time using an ASRock board. My specific board is a bit fussy with RAM but seems to work out with a BIOS update

Apparently my specific board had a plethora of bad BIOS updates but seems to be good now

[pale coral]

well we ship it out with newest bios update

so no issues

though yeah most motherboards which sit on the shelf too long have older bios that cause issues

not just asrock specific

though we never have product sitting on shelf too long

the oldest motherboard on stock

is like last bios updated 5 months ago

it sells to ppl building cheap computers or igpu systems

[maiden hull]

ahh

tbf i can't really knock on ASRock for my inital bad experience

for all I know it could have just been intel microcode and that build just was exposing it

Z690 Extreme btw

i don't expect that to be on your Microcenter shelves

was gonna update the BIOS myself anyways either through flashback or using my 12700K

ended up just using the 12700K since it seemed rather pointless to have the Arc A770 be paired with a 14900K

version 6.03 -> 18.02 (beta version atm, not sure if ASRock will ship a new version to mark out of beta or not)

[pale coral]

nah i don't see it on the employee panel

I would have to check instore stock next week

[lone jackal]

I wish microcenter was in the uk

[main flume]

I wish microcenter was wherever I am

[granite pollen]

june conversing with june

[main flume]

@silwnt LMAO

[lone jackal]

@silwnt LMAO

[trail moss]

yo is this worth it?

i have a few laptop hdds lying around that id like to use

or should i get this which is only like $1.5 more

[nimble ingot]

sata ssd on any cheapos usb 3 enclosusure

[pale coral]

i have a couple of these cause I hotswap between drives often for factory resetting or reinstalling drivers on laptops with bricked display drivers

[nimble ingot]

nice build but rgb 🐈 👈

[trail moss]

👍🏾

[maiden hull]

Yeah it’s something I would end up disabling

But now to turn off the RAM and GPU RGB I gotta use Non Ideal Methods™️ such as using third party bloatware

So I just leave it at the rainbow puke

At least ASRock lets you control how the RGB looks in the UEFI and can disable that part properly

[grand dragon]

what about openrgb

[maiden hull]

Sorry I must take that as third party bloatware

(Yes I know it doesn’t take that much)

Also on Linux I find it more painful to deal with

So I end up not using it entirely regardless of what OS I use

also it's not an option since it doesn't support Acer's Arc A770

"but you can add it yourself!"
mf do i look like someone would has the time or wants to do that?

[maiden hull]

Don’t get me wrong OpenRGB is powerful and I love every second of using it when all the hardware I’m using works

Just currently in that state where I don’t so I don’t use it

[obsidian lion]

get me wrong OpenRGB is powerful and I love every second of using it when all the hardware I’m using works

[maiden hull]

Bro deleted one word and forgot the formatting

[fallen stump]

Bro deleted one word and forgot

[grand dragon]

bro forgot

[nimble ingot]

the hammer method still exist

[nimble ingot]

bloatware is bloatware

[maiden hull]

it's even more so when the product you expect to work one way doesn't work as you intend

bloatware is bloatware and will always be bloatware so nothing can change it from being bloatware as it is bloatware by nature

[nimble ingot]

very philosofical indeed

[icy frigate]

Between the benq zowie u2 mouse the deathadder v3 pro, the g502 x plus and the basilik v3 pro, what do you guys recommend?

i had the superlight before, but wasn't a big fan

also the viper ultimate and wired g502

[grand dragon]

da v3 pro

[icy frigate]

I'm looking for something that's a good blend of fps but also open world rpg

ight

just needed someone else to say it

doesn't have the best reviews though? Have you used it personally @grand dragon

[grand dragon]

i had the wired version

[icy frigate]

okay, i see

Can anyone else vouch for the DA v3 pro?

[polar valve]

cant vouch for the pro

but wired version is excellent

[icy frigate]

would you say wired is better than wireless these days?

[polar valve]

hard to say its better

wireless is incredibly incredibly good these days

performance is virtually identical between the best wired & wireless mice

like the difference is so miniscule that its no longer really a consideration

in my case i just cant seem to get wireless mice to be very stable, so i still prefer wired mice

but for the vast majority of people its completely fine, and they shouldnt have to worry

[icy frigate]

Okay, good to know

I’ll try the da v3 pro then

[maiden hull]

it has come to my attention that the Arctic Liquid Freezer III intro pricing is coming to an end

good timing for me i guess

[restive ridge]

you getting one? what about noctua

[polar valve]

large arctic lfs perform better anyway ;P

[restive ridge]

what??' rly??

68€ FOR A WATERCOOLER WHATTT

[polar valve]

bigtime

first is just a 200-watt load at 100% fanspeed, and second is the same 200-watt load noise normalized to 35dBa

[maiden hull]

Already got it a few days ago

[icy frigate]

yeah, i have one in my pc right now. Solid AIO

[maiden hull]

This is probably my personal bias but so far the ALF III has been the EASIEST cooler to install on an LGA 1700 system

Since they enforce you to use their contact frame you’re not needing to fiddle with the back side of the motherboard (if you know how painful that can be at times you’ll understand)

Also since the fans are preinstalled and the cables you plug in terminate from an adapter it’s such a seamless setup

Would have recommended but I’ll have to see how that stands with the intro discount fading away

[pale coral]

you just named all the reasons I have kraken coolers installed on my amd system, on am4 atleast no need to change backplate default one works, all the cables are one adapter from pump splits to everything else it needs basically the only thing u have to put together or screw is the reservoir

[polar valve]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b73xG1HlFhY

@maiden hull

havent sat down and watched it, but man that title is crazy

[maiden hull]

Yeah I watched it a couple hours ago

Never bought an EK product so doesn’t affect me

[polar valve]

man you watched that shit on release O_O

[maiden hull]

But man I’m not gonna support a company that treats employees like shit

[polar valve]

their upcoming direct-die LGA1700 aio seemed insanely cool

[polar valve]

real

[maiden hull]

https://x.com/Buildzoid1/status/1781555751657631822 LOOOOOL CMON ASUS

Buildzoid (@Buildzoid1) on X

So why aren't the "Intel factory default settings". THE DEFAULT FUCKING SETTINGS?

Twitter · Apr 20, 2024, 5:29 AM

[polar valve]

asus doing asus things

[maiden hull]

“But but but if we enable by default people are gonna whine that their performance is worse!!!!”

[strong sky]

if ur buying that motherboard i feel like you aren't that stupid

[maiden hull]

There’s literally people whining on OC forums about perf being worse and saying it’s a bad update because of noobs crashing

But the problem is that like

You’re running a fucking non stock profile BY DEFAULT

And STILL with this update it’s not THE DEFAULT

Literally, silicon lottery and yet people have this mess because some board manufacturer decided “yeah let’s just have everyone basically run an overclock or non stock power limit it’ll be fine”

[trail moss]

typical asus

my sister's friend had an laptop which cost close to $2200 USD and it bricked itself within 2 years

[maiden hull]

I’m just mad because people somehow don’t understand they haven’t been running stock this entire time and think it’s so bad to go to Intel’s ACTUAL STOCK LIMITS just for stability

Like dude you were SUPPOSED to be on that THE ENTIRE TIME IF YOU WANTED STOCK

[maiden hull]

Also if anyone ever wonders why I was pissed at ASUS yesterday based off these comments

I can understand self builders having more knowledge with handling a UEFI

But guess who also puts ASUS Z690 and Z790 motherboards in peoples’ systems

Prebuilts

You can’t expect everyone to know how to handle a UEFI

People who buy a system built for them expect it to work at stock without needing further modification

If they’re told that a BIOS’s stock wasn’t stock, that’s a big fat “fuck you” to them basically

[polar valve]

asus might be goated tbh

push more people onto asrock boards !!!!!!!!!!

[maiden hull]

I mean I’ll push people on to ASRock for Intel Z series unless it’s the utter cheapest

AMD not too sure

was looking at some UEFI builds and noticed some missing features that I would consider factors….

(They’re minuscule)

[polar valve]

the value on 'em is just incredible

atleast over here ;P

[maiden hull]

On Z690 $129 for a pretty decent board I think is nice

At least the Z690 Extreme

Only thing I’d dislike is the USB ports

Unless you just have a mouse and keyboard

[maiden hull]

Ok what the fuck why is this a BETA BIOS

The fact it isn’t the DEFAULT either is frustrating

Stock not being stock cmon

tbf ASRock also had this option for some time but it’s not the default either

But their stock settings are also near Intel’s baseline

Not setting the power limit to 4095

And in ASRock’s case it feels like the toggle does absolutely nothing as it doesn’t make it clear what specific settings it changes

Which it —> NEEDS <— to do

If ASUS does the same thing that’s also disappointing

It needs to be like the XMP Profile where it specifies what gets changed

At least with ASRock the toggle is in Easy Mode

[pale coral]

Buildzoid also went off on the same topic about default bios not having default intel settings

[maiden hull]

ye saw that too

[signal vault]

im waiting for the asrock z790i lightning

that mobo is gonna be so goated

[sand geyser]

not pc related but cool hardware

[pale coral]

had the most weird it issue in a minute, a hyperx quadcast not completing a handshake with it's own driver's cause it couldnt recognize the driver belong to itself, so I had to flash an EEPROM , basically what tells the mic what type of mic it is onto the mic itself, and it got me thinking what's stopping us from flashing the elgato wave 3 onto other mics to get free access to wave link, let's you realtime vst host 8 different channels. and then has all 8 channels split into 2 different virtual devices. would be useful on most budget mics no?

chatgpt says yes, as to how to do it. no idea whatsoever

[strong sky]

I mean I doubt other mics would work if you flashed them with the wrong eeprom

[pale coral]

If you dry flash most likely, you will need to just edit the manufacturer on the eeprom no? Not the software itself, and at the end of the day you can just backup the eeprom

[strong sky]

does editing the manufacturer actually guarantee that wave link will actually work? if it's entirely software then i could see it working

[pale coral]

wavelink is entirely software none built into mic

so aslong as it recognizes a mic that belongs to elgato it's compatible

it's like having voice meter + lighthost + vst 2 and vst 3 support

[strong sky]

ohh ok cool

[pale coral]

it's like all built into one program, can make any mic and headphones sound godly

but it has to be recognized as a elgato device

[strong sky]

sounds useful... lmk if you try it out

[maiden hull]

I personally have a Wave XLR which also gave me access to the Wave Link software

Only thing I dislike now is that there’s no official Linux support so it basically becomes useless for me

[pale coral]

if i find the right tools to copy eemprom properly

cause i only got one that lets me import eemproms

[maiden hull]

if someone can replicate an intuitive mixing experience (if it exists already I need to find it) I will have full respects

[pale coral]

but i'll need to source the actual eemprom backups from others

i need to learn more

[pale coral]

lighthost let's you host vst plugins on any virtual daw

[polar valve]

how you like the mic?

nvm

interface

not mic

still on podmic?

[maiden hull]

It used to be where Elgato was making some silly excuses on how the software would just not work properly without a Wave Device

Stream Deck Plus: What u talking about

[maiden hull]

Ye

It’s workable

[pale coral]

like similar to how I can host vst plugins to make my mic sound 4x more expensive lighthost let's you do it for any other audio interface with a virtual output

[maiden hull]

Just still not fully used to having to have my mic literally close unless i turn up the gain

But it works well once EQ’d

Doubt there will ever be a mic that will sound good on my voice without EQ

[pale coral]

compressor before eq, so you can run it louder without clipping, so then when you eq the eq is softer on your voice

[maiden hull]

Ye

Learned that the hard way

[pale coral]

all mics have to be eq'd unless you are in a sound treated room

[maiden hull]

Yeah my room is never gonna be sound treated at all

[pale coral]

reflections off monitors, desk, and yourself, and room if in a big space, all make mics sound worst

even my room is treated and i have to run filters still

[maiden hull]

Eh my voice just sounds muddy

[pale coral]

i have to cut alot of bass out my voice and mids

[maiden hull]

The main problem is me - I’m never close to the mic properly

So once I hear myself in discord

People say I sound fine

But to me

It sounds so bad

[pale coral]

I mean if you ever wanna sit down and try to eq your mic we can

I have about 8 yrs audio engineering experience

[maiden hull]

I have an EQ setup I just never save it or load it every time I reinstall an OS

[pale coral]

5 of them being due to college electives and fucking around

[maiden hull]

might as well revise though I’ve changed my setup a bit last I did it

[maiden hull]

That’s more than me

So might as well be worth a shot

[pale coral]

use equalizer apo?

[maiden hull]

Pretty sure it was mostly Renegate and Elgato’s EQ with a slight boost in bass and treble

Didn’t need much more than that

And then just a bit of noise suppression

But it’s been a while

[pale coral]

I prefer the reaplugins, I use the elgato ones when I reset my pc cause I get too lazy to reinstall shit 😭

[maiden hull]

What the hell ASRock even had some baseline toggle before in EZ Mode and you’re telling me now that wasn’t baseline either?????

[maiden hull]

https://youtu.be/bTk5uXSteCU?si=oe-wCR2A80otfBxn oh great this guy is also showing how it’s happening on LOCKED CPUs too

I’m glad how he’s so upset and emphasizing the fact that motherboard manufacturers don’t tell you that you’re opting in to these ridiculous overvolting settings and that you’re basically having to be technical to address this

Even so not many people don’t even know how to enter the BIOS/UEFI nor even know what the heck that is

Let alone now motherboard manufacturers having to push BIOS updates that STILL are an opt out and not an opt in

Now what if XMP was a forced opt out and not an opt in

Or even monitor refresh rates that are the highest by default but your GPU or display cable can’t handle that so you’re forced at a black screen

I’ve even had some friends over the past couple years ask me why these opt in things are a thing and why they’re not the actual default

Well… it’s when this kind of shit happens…

[granite pollen]

when people be undervolting, they are overvolting 😭

[maiden hull]

Well shit I’m below 100 on my 14900K but it’s not a complete dud that can’t run Cinebench like Buildzoid’s

There’s still like little documentation on ASRock’s CPU indicator so only thing I can deal with is just percentiles

[nimble ingot]

buildzoid is idiotic

and cinebench useless

[polar valve]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BB9w8O7Ne8w

ive voiced my displeasure with optimum many many times

but builds like this are so fucking cool man

[maiden hull]

Not relevant to the conversation right now

[maiden hull]

Mf if a cpu out of the box can’t run Cinebench that ain’t useless bud

If you’re not going to bring any meaningful reasons and just keep saying “[insert here] is shit/useless” or call someone else idiotic at least bring a good reason and not just some baseless claims, or don’t even bother contributing to the conversation

[exotic parcel]

'just curious - can yall show me your current gpu fan curve?

[maiden hull]

I use the stock fan curve on my card since it works + fan curve software on Linux is sometimes spotty or hard to come by for your hardware

[pale coral]

weeeeeeee

cpu cooler is aio, 100% pump cause its a silent pump and 40% all the time on the fans locked

[marsh crow]

should I buy the rx 7600 as a replacement for my my 1650 super?

8gb ram

i5 9400f

[granite pollen]

are you actually switching to team red for linux? thats crazy.

but yea it should work fine

[marsh crow]

not only that but

cheaper proves 😋

prices 😋

[marsh crow]

ah my gawd

looks like my motherboard doesnt support am5

what should I do

[lone jackal]

😭

[marsh crow]

what 😭

[strong sky]

How did you manage to do that

It's a completely different socket lmao

[marsh crow]

donnu

what if it doesnt

i dont know

should I buy a complete new mobo

[strong sky]

I mean if you don't have a CPU that's compatible then you don't really have a choice

[marsh crow]

🤷

https://pangoly.com/en/compatibility/asus-prime-h310m-e-r2-0/cpu according to this website

it is not compatible with the

[strong sky]

What cpu

[marsh crow]

uh

[strong sky]

But yeah no shit h310 is AM4

[marsh crow]

5 5550

yes

[strong sky]

You mean ryzen 5 5500?

[marsh crow]

ye

[strong sky]

I mean that's not AM5 so it is compatible with the motherboard you have. You probably just need to update bios

[marsh crow]

oh no

i dont have it yet

i will be buying it soon

alright so my mobo is compatible with that cpu

should I buy this gpu

[velvet isle]

Depends on your purposes

What games? What resolutions? What framerate do you want in those games? Do you want to do high fps recording? Do you do any video processing / content creation?

[marsh crow]

subnautica, Apex Legends, TItanfall 2
1080p / 1440p
60-240
on minecraft only
except for smrs, no

[velvet isle]

If you want to record over 240 fps, go for NVIDIA

[marsh crow]

and lets say I don't what to record over 240 fps

[velvet isle]

Then the card you sent probably isn’t enough for 1440p240

8 GB vram is limiting

What’s your budget?

[marsh crow]

yeah im not going to play at 1440p240

[granite pollen]

doesnt AV1 push like 700+

[velvet isle]

No

[minor cargo]

https://tenor.com/view/seal-dance-seal-dance-animal-animal-dance-gif-27375218

can confirm

[wintry tusk]

any1 know a cheap budget amd gpu

anythign is better than a igpu

just want something thats decent

[marsh crow]

like what

[wintry tusk]

like a gtx 650

equvilent to that

i dont need ANYTHING special

I just need something thats better than a igpu and is relativly cheap

I wanna get into pc building so dont really know much 😅

[marsh crow]

hd 6970

[wintry tusk]

ok ty

[marsh crow]

that one really sucks

[wintry tusk]

wdym?

frick

I cant get that in my country

f

[marsh crow]

rx Vega 11

[wintry tusk]

isnt this a cpu?

yeah its a cpu 💀

ok gtx 1060 equlvilent

much more avalible in my region

[lone jackal]

Budget !
V

What’s the budget tho

[marsh crow]

1mil

give build

[wintry tusk]

uhh lemme see

100 usd

[marsh crow]

100 what

[wintry tusk]

know its not alot but in my contry its alot

[marsh crow]

oh

[lone jackal]

The whole build or just gpu

[wintry tusk]

gpu

i also wanna get cpu

i talked to some ppl about that

[lone jackal]

So the whole build essentially

[wintry tusk]

so some1 also suggested for me to get a gpu

[marsh crow]

buy a good cpu with an iGpu

[wintry tusk]

but the cpus thats supported by my mobo is rly old

[lone jackal]

Buy a cpu off of aliexpress from a repped seller

[wintry tusk]

talking bout 3rd i7 💀

[lone jackal]

Buy a motherboard then

A decent cpu and a motherboard

[marsh crow]

I don't think he can do that with 100 bucks

[wintry tusk]

ye

[lone jackal]

100% he can

[wintry tusk]

i just wated a upgrade

[wintry tusk]

ok then what would u reccomend

[lone jackal]

My first build was 250 and 125 was the gpu

[lone jackal]

Idk cuz i don’t do low end

That’s not even low end it’s just

[wintry tusk]

oof

[lone jackal]

Potato

[wintry tusk]

💀

[marsh crow]

LMFAO

[lone jackal]

I’d just save up

[marsh crow]

I'd sell my pc

and buy a ps2

😋

[wintry tusk]

i got a ps3

[granite pollen]

Miles worse

[wintry tusk]

jailbroken ofc

[lone jackal]

Console probs better for u ngl

[wintry tusk]

yk any good motherboard + cpu combonations

I can try 200$

4000 rand

oof

[granite pollen]

They play minecraft.

[wintry tusk]

304.00 AUD

[wintry tusk]

yeah dont need anything special

I dont rly need a high end system

father was asking me if I will still use the pc (some minipc)

[granite pollen]

Look in the used market

[wintry tusk]

said yes and he said he could do a cpu + ram upgrade

[marsh crow]

me: is getting nard hard?
google: is getting hard hard?

😭😭

[wintry tusk]

lmao

[lone jackal]

What country u in

[marsh crow]

some weird stuff appeared

[lone jackal]

Idk flags so

[wintry tusk]

south africa

[marsh crow]

yeah

[wintry tusk]

courency sux 💀

[marsh crow]

turkey:

[wintry tusk]

turkey wtf

[marsh crow]

Iran:

[wintry tusk]

what r u doing

[lone jackal]

10fps:

[wintry tusk]

little confused ngl

no

I get 60

since I use vsync

[lone jackal]

Same thing

[wintry tusk]

what?

[lone jackal]

Same thing on god

[wintry tusk]

how is 10 and 60 the same thing

yeah makes sense

that iq goes crazy

10 chocolates and 60 chocolates = same thing 💀 💀 💀

[marsh crow]

that's good

food

[lone jackal]

So u have 100 usd

[wintry tusk]

true

200$

[lone jackal]

Uhhh

[wintry tusk]

can up it

[lone jackal]

Oh

Ok

[marsh crow]

food isn't the same as frames

[wintry tusk]

I dont wann do a whole mother board swap

[wintry tusk]

for me its the same ngl

lmao joking

[wintry tusk]

is

[granite pollen]

The market in SA isn't gonna be the same as the USA though

[wintry tusk]

ye

[marsh crow]

I wanna get info pc building

[wintry tusk]

we do have a ebay alternative but doesen't nearly have as much as ebay does

so what shouldd I do

[lone jackal]

Used parts from eBay don’t go well imo

[wintry tusk]

dont rly wanna do a mother board swap

[lone jackal]

Aliexpresss better if u can

Why

[marsh crow]

Amazon?

[lone jackal]

It’s easy as fuck

[wintry tusk]

tbh idk why just dont wanna

[lone jackal]

U wanna learn so learn g

[wintry tusk]

shipping go crazzy bru

[wintry tusk]

aight

[marsh crow]

give it to a PC builder

[granite pollen]

For me, local shit worked better than ebay

[wintry tusk]

so then what would u reccoomend

[marsh crow]

pay him 700 nard

[wintry tusk]

father used to be 1 back in like the 2000 😅

[marsh crow]

🍷

[lone jackal]

Get him to build if u can’t

[wintry tusk]

but now he doesent do that

[wintry tusk]

ye ik im not gonna make the build

I just wanted to reasearch for him

since he is tired

[lone jackal]

Why not blud

You should learn to do it

Independence

[strong sky]

Oh shit my dad is from South Africa

[wintry tusk]

rly?

[strong sky]

Yea

[wintry tusk]

that cool ig

[strong sky]

I've visited a couple times

[wintry tusk]

as Ive said before, i dont mine doing it but he himself volunteered

[lone jackal]

I got an old friend from Sa but he was in a private school so he rich

[wintry tusk]

he was the 1 that asked me if I wanted to upgrade the pc

sheesh

bro goes to private school thats crazy

ok then any reccomendations?

mobo + cpu

[lone jackal]

He moved to public school in uk and got bullied Tf out of for it

[wintry tusk]

under 200$

or 4000 rand

[lone jackal]

Just look around in diff sites

[wintry tusk]

idk wheather that was an upgrade or not ngl

[lone jackal]

And then ask here if they’re good

[wintry tusk]

ok

[lone jackal]

From sa to UK he said was best thing he done in his life

[wintry tusk]

but how do ik if a cpu is supported by a motherboard

[wintry tusk]

good for him :D/

1 of my teachers also got a job in uk

was rly happy for him

[lone jackal]

Pcpartpicker will tell u and the socket decides

Am4 mobo am4 cpu etc

[wintry tusk]

ok

i think ill go for a ryzen 3

idk which 1

but a ryzen 3

wait found 1

AMD Ryzen 3 4100 4-Core 3.8GHz CPU Processor

is this good?

in budget

[lone jackal]

How much is it

[wintry tusk]

1.5 rand

checking it in usd

80

$80

also found a mobo

with am4 socket

[marsh crow]

okay

[wintry tusk]

MSI B450M-APRO MAX II AMD AM4 MATX Gaming Motherboard

[marsh crow]

now start looking for a GPU

[wintry tusk]

said is am4

and the cpu is also am4 socket

[lone jackal]

B450 is good

[marsh crow]

is it better than my uhh

prime thingy

[wintry tusk]

tbh dont need it now. I think a ryzen 3 is ennough

[wintry tusk]

mobo?

[lone jackal]

Yh

[marsh crow]

PRIME H310M-E R2.0

[wintry tusk]

in total comes 2 3198 Rand

thats not bad tbh

but i think I need ram

[marsh crow]

what about a GPU

[wintry tusk]

also a power supply isnt??

leave it

ryzen 3 is good enough

my cpu that i have in ancient 💀

2nd gen i5 bru

[marsh crow]

650 should be enough

[wintry tusk]

https://www.takealot.com/amd-ryzen-3-4100-4-core-3-8ghz-cpu-processor/PLID91045534?gclsrc=aw.ds&gad_source=1&gclid=CjwKCAjw65-zBhBkEiwAjrqRMOJORoCjgvjUmMr4c67rTSm7aU05KyLmZsByTZCaOmhDuuqRWLeAKxoCZQoQAvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds

the ryzen 3

https://takealot.com/msi-b450m-apro-max-ii-amd-am4-matx-gaming-motherboard/PLID95360672?gclsrc=aw.ds&gad_source=1&gclid=CjwKCAjw65-zBhBkEiwAjrqRMAGanN7cEtW8vS30zC4mak5bVwhhbZIu9N0NZ1Ld1janb65uelT-vhoCvJgQAvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds

mobo

ima just use my current ram

oh wait

I cant

I need new ram

f'sss

[marsh crow]

😲

[wintry tusk]

what ram works with the mobo

can i use any ram?

[marsh crow]

Nuh uh

ram doesn't work with this mobo

[wintry tusk]

oh it says ddr4 ram

DDR4 Memory: DDR4 2667/ 2800/ 2933/ 3000/ 3066/ 3200/ 3466/ 3733/ 3866/ 4000/ 4133 MHz (by A-XMP OC MODE), 1866/ 2133/ 2400/ 2667Mhz (by JEDEC)

[marsh crow]

trolling failed

[wintry tusk]

check the product page

MUHAHAHA

I am 2 powerful

[marsh crow]

Nuh uh

[wintry tusk]

yes uh

[marsh crow]

run sudo rm / -rf

😋😋😋

jk don't

[wintry tusk]

no

wont even work sku

[marsh crow]

LMFAO

[wintry tusk]

pretty sure thats for arch

[marsh crow]

are you on windows

[wintry tusk]

• im using windows

YES U NOBO

[marsh crow]

NOBO?

[wintry tusk]

and im pretty sure thats kills your system as well

yes nobo

nobo = noob ogly noob ogly

[marsh crow]

how am I a noob

[wintry tusk]

why is ram so expensive 😭

https://www.takealot.com/arktek-memory-8gb-ddr4-pc-2400-dimm-ram-module-for-pc/PLID72145443?gad_source=1&gclid=CjwKCAjw65-zBhBkEiwAjrqRMDEQvBe5TVxuo_7ra4CKjosojufYKCm_m5YEOhMvUbBHNoEE1R6rHhoCVAMQAvD_BwE

[marsh crow]

ram's cheap nowadays

[wintry tusk]

over 3k for 3 things

tbh in usd its not that expensive

in rnd it is

[marsh crow]

yes

[wintry tusk]

literally didnt ask btw

[marsh crow]

same

[wintry tusk]

where does bro gets his roast, temu?

[wintry tusk]

u didnt need to m8

[marsh crow]

what

[wintry tusk]

nah bro gets it from wish.com

[marsh crow]

are you crazy

[wintry tusk]

thats crazy

wish.com is fire ngl ngl

lmao what r we talking abt

[marsh crow]

wtf

[wintry tusk]

@lone jackal

do I need a power supply as well

or is the 1 I have fine

whats worth more

a ps5 or a 500$ pc

[grand dragon]

what is this conversation 💀

[wintry tusk]

Honestly dont know

[marsh crow]

🤷‍♂️

[wintry tusk]

but anyway do I need a new power supply if Ive swaping mobo and cpu

[marsh crow]

what's that

[wintry tusk]

also how do I know if my cpu can work with my power supply?

[wintry tusk]

wait dont I need a case as well?

[marsh crow]

what

[wintry tusk]

for a new mobo

or is the case I have fine

im actually not sure tbh

[marsh crow]

idk what case you have

[wintry tusk]

for the IO

idk some hp thinpc