💾⠂Hardware & PC Building

[gleaming swan]

especially with keyboards worth an upwards of 1k

scam protection is a thing with PayPal FNF, and mods are very active

The community is VERY wary of scammers

it's an expensive hobby after all

insane prices

[main flume]

sounds too good to be true

[gleaming swan]

nah

i've bought tons of shit

[main flume]

you are obligated to send me the links ‼️

[gleaming swan]

my kb cost me 4k and i did PayPal FNF

no scam

the community is VERY respectful

there are a couple elitists tho

[main flume]

4k of what

[gleaming swan]

USD

[main flume]

what

[gleaming swan]

LOL don't ask

expensive hobby

[main flume]

is it custom made keyboard with carbon base and gold keycaps

[gleaming swan]

uh

Custom 1/25 LZ RE

Korean manu w 1980s switches

[main flume]

I should get myself a job 😭

[gleaming swan]

LOL

don't stress it

a job is just nice to have tho to keep u busy

[main flume]

definitely look for used mices

[gleaming swan]

yes

[winged robin]

tf rly?

their value tanked huh

used to atleast get MSRP for them

[gleaming swan]

i mean

phantom always went for dirt cheap

compared to others

im talking specifically phantom btw

others still go for MSRP or above

[winged robin]

the OG used to be so fucking expensive

is it still like that

but yeah phantom is w/e

[gleaming swan]

https://shop.g-wolves.com/products/g-wolves-hsk-pro-4k-wireless-mouse

@winged robin

would it be worth to try this out

[main flume]

with led tho

[gleaming swan]

can be disabled/remoed

[winged robin]

if you're willing to roll the QC lottery, sure

they're 2nd to razer in wireless perf atm & it can hit like 26g if you swap it to the small battery iirc

[winged robin]

awful customer support & a worrying amount of ppl experiencing issues tho fr

[gleaming swan]

yeah u cn just tell from their site LOL

swap battery, remove led, mod shell a bit

~25g

ill cop it

just cuz

[winged robin]

there shouldn't be any led in it

i think

[gleaming swan]

p sure there is but you can disable it

[winged robin]

ahhh

[gleaming swan]

yeah i think i saw it on the site

[winged robin]

but yeah it's the only other proper fingertip exclusive mouse

[gleaming swan]

fuck it ill cop

[winged robin]

it's so much smaller than M2K though

[gleaming swan]

8k wired or 4k wireless

yeah it is

idk abt the shape it looks kinda uncomfy

[winged robin]

yeah idk

[gleaming swan]

but then again thats not really an issue on fingertip usually

unless a mouse is large

[winged robin]

gotta try it i guess

[gleaming swan]

fuck it we ball

[winged robin]

if it's too small you risk cramping

but you'll figure it out

[gleaming swan]

i mean

i dont think so tbh

the weight is so light that cramping might not be an issue

similar to m2k

[winged robin]

depends on how you grip it ig

man i just want m3k already

even tho i honestly hope they delay release till 3950 becomes available for companies other than razer

so we can have 8khz motionsync

[gleaming swan]

would be amazing

[winged robin]

tbh idek if 8khz motionsync is exclusive to 3950, but razer only did motionsync up to 4khz on 3399 & the only other 8khz mice are on 3360 with no motionsync at all

so I'm assuming it's a sensor limitation

especially since motionsync is hw based on them

[round hamlet]

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B09LGY38L4

35 USD thermalright pa120

[winged robin]

harware

[round hamlet]

wron

[obsidian lion]

PC is better than laptops and makbooks

Because Apple the company licks toes and sells 20 dollars low quality cables

[winged robin]

im ngl

for laptops

unless i specifically need a program that just cant run on macbooks

i would rather have a macbook than any windows laptop

[obsidian lion]

not based

[winged robin]

very based

theres only a handful of good windows laptops

[obsidian lion]

i would much rather commit war crimes than use a makbooc

[round hamlet]

wrong

[fallen stump]

doesnt matter for me as long as it runs linux

[final quest]

hackintosh

[winged robin]

dont think that works for m1/m2

although i could be wrong

[winged robin]

Intel MacBooks suck so badly though

like actual ewaste

[granite pollen]

you prolly cant use bootcamp for it though

just avoid apple products

[winged robin]

apple makes incredibly good products if they fit your needs

if they dont, obviously dont buy from them

[round hamlet]

yuh

[maiden hull]

@round hamlet @winged robin what ram speeds/timings u guys at right now

[round hamlet]

3733 cl16

[maiden hull]

Forgot if either of you were really wanting to know if that HP ram was worth so one of you could purchase

[round hamlet]

not me im chillin

[maiden hull]

Ye you seem solid

[winged robin]

im on some pisspoor 3200c18

although im not very interested in d4 since ill hopefully be upgrading to a d5 build later in the year

[maiden hull]

ah alr

[round hamlet]

ofc

[obsidian lion]

e

[round hamlet]

pipe down lil bro

[maiden hull]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fPnqeAA9gN0

[winged robin]

980 pro killer

meh tier ssd killer go brrrrtt

how much does it cost

[maiden hull]

$114 for 2 TB

?

Ye

980 Pro can be found for 139 tho

[winged robin]

980 pro is also

not very good for that price

[maiden hull]

For 2 TB?

[winged robin]

unless free 980 pro isnt at an appropriate price

(samsung hate)

[maiden hull]

OMG FREE PC

GIMME

[winged robin]

980 pro my beloved

[round hamlet]

shitty boy

[dusk steeple]

how is the 6950xt for editing and general use? (like can someone explain the downsides of and cause I've heard Nvidia have the advantage in general work and cuda stuff)

[dusk steeple]

pretty much just if it works with current updated programs cause I do this as a hobby and don't need it to be super fast (within reason tho)

[maiden hull]

Could you be more specific? What programs?

Also, why 6950 XT specifically? I know you mentioned about the 3090 but there better NVIDIA cards that perform less with less money than the 3090. How much have you researched about the 6950 XT?

[dusk steeple]

not much I just saw it was at a really cheap price compared to MSRP $630 ish

with good performance comparable to 3090

got a GPU budget around like 600 so it was right around the budget

[dusk steeple]

Blur, smoothie, voukoder (idk how to spell), lossless cut, ffmpeg, Vegas, da Vinci resolve, and other editing or rendering programs

[maiden hull]

what was that price?

[dusk steeple]

nah that was the price but MSRP was like 1.1k when it launched in May of 2022 I think

[maiden hull]

ahhh ok

misread it sorry

[maiden hull]

at this price range you're now looking at comparing the RTX 4070 as the NVIDIA counterpart on that price point

I'll put the gaming stuff here for reference. Take that for what you will https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/MKzUeD7y7QtrHbcBMAyBwY-970-80.png

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/geforce-rtx-4070-vs-radeon-rx-6950-xt-which-gpu-is-better

However for creator related workloads, here's what NVIDIA has that AMD clearly loses in:

• Encoder: NVIDIA has a faster and more reliable encoder. This will certainly improve your workflow and rendering times in all the rendering and editing programs you mentioned. 40 series also has dual media encoders: NVENC and NVDEC
• AV1 encoder: Since you seem to also be dealing with recording, this will heavily assist you in efficiency, typically allowing lower bitrate but not having garbage quality
• Driver reliability: NVIDIA remains to have reliable drivers with their Studio lineup. As for AMD, they definitely have gotten better, but not as close
• VRAM: This can help a bit, and it's been getting a bit more prevalent for gaming, but mostly discussing 12+. Still, the 4070 has 21 Gbps of VRAM speed whereas the 6950 XT has 18 Gbps. However, the 4070 does have 12 GB of VRAM and the 6950 XT has 16 GB
• Power consumption: NVIDIA is way more efficient in terms of power consumption. This is actually more important than you think since the electricity bill that is paid afterthefact will be lower, so really you're actually saving more by spending a bit less on the GPU (unless it's one of those higher end models which I wouldn't actually recommend) and less on your (or whoever is paying) electricity bill

@buoyant crown some factors for you too since you have a 4070 Ti

[dusk steeple]

Google tells me that 4070 is 12 gb vram and 6950xt is 16gb vram

[maiden hull]

hm I think I misread something then

[maiden hull]

I misread VRAM Speed

[maiden hull]

Corrected that statement. Thank you for catching that

the rest remains the same

[dusk steeple]

how much does the difference in vram matter

[maiden hull]

depends on workload. Be more aware of the VRAM speeds tho

amount is mainly for gaming

[dusk steeple]

I'm still going to be mainly gaming just want to make sure I can also record and render decently well

[maiden hull]

Yeah 4070 Would be for you

around $600-650

[dusk steeple]

even with the vram difference?

[maiden hull]

ye

with VRAM I would only be worried if it was 8 GB or less

Me: cries in 3070 and 2070 Super with 8 GB of VRAM

[obsidian lion]

What if my vram is 2gb?

[maiden hull]

you shouldn’t be worried

You should be ultra worried

[obsidian lion]

thx

[dusk steeple]

the buildapc discord tells me to get 6950xt cause of the gaming value (it's gonna be compatible with all the programs in this discord right?)

[maiden hull]

But does it mention about creator workloads?

If you were purely gaming go for 6950 XT 100%

But the moment you put content creation workloads as a factor

You will really regret not getting a 4070

Yea, these programs are compatible, but that doesn’t mean they will run well

@round hamlet has owned a 6600 last year. Sure, it’s a lower tier card but content creation factors remain on all their cards

And even older

He can tell you how bad it is

[round hamlet]

Yuh

[maiden hull]

Please elaborate your experience on the AMD card.

[dusk steeple]

like they'll run slower or run extremely slow in general

cause I just need a reasonable time

I do this as a hobby and don't usually post anyways I just like making my clips look good

I just want to keep my doors open

[velvet isle]

Significantly slower than an nvidia card

But it depends on the program

What do you use?

[dusk steeple]

Blur and da Vinci resolve free version but I was gonna try smoothie

also ffmpeg

[dusk steeple]

how much? Like will it match or exceed my current laptop 1050 ti

[obsidian lion]

My gtx 1050 can record high quality high fps

Can any amd card do that? :Rofl:

[maiden hull]

Depends on the value

[obsidian lion]

960fps 720p 15cqp

1080p 480fps 18cqp

[maiden hull]

Lol no it can’t do that

[velvet isle]

Hard to tell, it depends on settings

[maiden hull]

holy shit apparently a BIOS update was the reason I couldn't use XMP daisy chained on 4 sticks on my Z690 board

was stuck at 3200 MHz for a while even though my sticks were rated at 3600 MHz

now it's just my MSI B550 board that can't use these sticks at 3600 MHz

[maiden hull]

Never mind unstable af fork

talk about memory management BSODs too

Ok we aren’t erroring like mad at 3500 MHz

[rapid perch]

oh i forgot abt this

[exotic parcel]

Same

[exotic parcel]

so uh
i wanna upgrade my cpu, but i'm not really sure what i should get, plz help
Here's my current build https://pcpartpicker.com/list/fHhzfy
i have ~320€ & i live in france, i don't really want to change my motherboard (because i'm a lazy fuck)
'haven't looked at intel's prices, but the 5600x is at 150€, 5700x at 200 and 5800x3d at 320 (but that'd mean i'd have to spend an extra 20-50€ above my budget bc of the lack of cooler)

if there's anything else wrong / worth upgrading in my current build, lmk (i'm not the one who made that build, my brother did a couple of years ago but with a 1050ti instead of the 3060)

[main flume]

remind me in 30m

[rapid perch]

my second pc has a 5800x3d, it is extremely power efficient for the amount of performance you get and temps are relatively easy to maintain

it is leagues above the other two

i think its worth the investment t

[exotic parcel]

Yeah but the problem i have with the 58x3d is that it's ~60% more expensive than the 2 other ones and it also requires a cooler, so it's pretty much 2x the price of the 56x

so idk if it's really worth it

[rapid perch]

i think the price to performance increase is worth it

[exotic parcel]

sure

[rapid perch]

you also probably wouldn’t have to replace it as soon as the other two

i can personally vouch for the 5800xd, you don’t even need a crazy cooler for it

and it runs fps games , minecraft, etc exceptionally well

[exotic parcel]

Eh fair enough, any cooler recom. btw?

[rapid perch]

anything noctua, though they are a tad bit expensive

i don’t have much experience with companies other than noctua and alphenfohn, maybe some a peerless assassin ?

[main flume]

thank you

alright so upgrading to 5700x you will probably by able to keep your current cooler

what do you play on (the display)

5800x3d has 24% improvement over 5700x

considering 5800x3d is 1.7 times more expensive (if we include the cooler upgrade)

you will get a cpu that is 24% faster for 1.7x more money

ohh, you included the display

my bad

3060 probably wont be a bottleneck at 1080p

[exotic parcel]

Yeah idk if it's worth it honestly, i'm unsure

[main flume]

maybe try to find a good deal somewhere

because 5800x3d will be better future wise

[exotic parcel]

cheapest i can find is 315€ , how much would a decent cooler cost?

(+ i'm a bit scared abt whether or not my psu is enough)

[exotic parcel]

300€ when bought as "used, as good as new" on amazon

[rapid perch]

315 for a cooler ?

[exotic parcel]

for the 5800x3d

[polar valve]

those lows XDDDDDDDDDD

[exotic parcel]

do you have a comparison between the 5800x and the 5800x3d

it's a 2€ diff between the 5700x and 5800x but a 120€ diff between the 5800x and 5800x3D

[main flume]

https://youtu.be/TqWdG4qj8ww

[exotic parcel]

since i've got a 3060 i guess i'll go for the 58x instead, since the diff between the 58x and 58x3D is minimal thanks to my 3060 12gb and if i upgrade anytime soon, i'll probs change my ram, psu and motherboard too so might as well just do a new build

ty

[exotic parcel]

shouldn't the diff be lower bc i have a 3060 instead of a 3080?
like shouldn't i be closer to a gpu bottleneck instead of a cpu one?

(and a 75% price increase isn't worth a 10% diff anyways)

[maiden hull]

I’m so conflicted if I should get a 14900K or 14700K or neither

Already have a 12700K, and my only reason to upgrade is for compile and compression/decompression times. Haven’t looked too deep in benchmarks quite yet. Will look later

If anyone wants more detail on what actual compile and compression cycle goes on a day to day basis I’ll explain it later after I’m done with work

[rapid perch]

ping me 🙏

14900k is solid though

have a system on loan with a 14900k 4090 to compare with my 7800x3d 4090

[maiden hull]

this is the latest guide which isn't much different

just directories are outdated on that version I sent

You'll need a Java 8 JDK to get it working

otherwise it'll just error out

[rapid perch]

what is this LOL

"______ lit"

[maiden hull]

no idea LOL

these two folders are what matter

the other stuff is just irrelevant

[rapid perch]

got it

[maiden hull]

Just need to install IntelliJ IDEA Community Edition (can do that via Winget)

then make a new project

select the folder you want

then you can follow that MD

JetBrains.IntelliJIDEA.Community

that's the ID for Winget

[rapid perch]

yeah i have it installed alr on my pc

[maiden hull]

alr

[rapid perch]

js gotta wait for classes to end

[maiden hull]

ah

[main flume]

hell yeah tellinq leaking cb source samples!!!!

[maiden hull]

hey man im not the original leaker

[rapid perch]

might as well be open about it LOL

[main flume]

yeah, if you wouldve been the original leaker this readme.md wouldve been like 15mb filled with walls of text

[maiden hull]

technically Nox leaked this but how it was done I'm not 100% sure

However I believe it's because he had this file server that was PUBLIC and he put the SRC as a backup even though GitHub literally is a more advanced backup source per commit

even though his server was password protected, I bet it was easily bypassed

then whoever got through found that

I did manage to date back that this version is from June 10th 2022

funny how it took over a year for it to become public

[main flume]

i dont understand how people are even finding these

[rapid perch]

or even trying to find these

[maiden hull]

one of my friends found this src since they do check for leaks from time to time

just coincidence they found it two days after it became public

I don't really hunt for leaks

and tbf I don't care

if it's going to be from a year ago I don't really care

there are two other leaks that happened that I do know of but I dont believe went very far

first one I ever knew of was because Nox sending the src to a specific someone who wasn't a dev

Excuse? "Because I was the owner of the project at the time" Wrong. I was owner back on October 4th 2022

[rapid perch]

is nox still on the team?

[maiden hull]

no

they folded and left

for other reasons

[rapid perch]

ah

[maiden hull]

and evn so

even*

[rapid perch]

unfortunate really

[maiden hull]

they're fired

[velvet isle]

“Password protected” by a basic password without a lot of safeguards

[rapid perch]

whole situation i mean

[velvet isle]

I’ve got most of what was there saved if you want to try and date some of it

[maiden hull]

does it also include my SRC

[velvet isle]

Haven’t checked tbh

[main flume]

fun fact i occasionally check ctt members for leaked passwords

[rapid perch]

😭

[velvet isle]

I’m not sure if it was actual src or just old builds

I can check tn

[velvet isle]

Elaborate

Like you check our usernames/known emails on databases?

[main flume]

yeah

someone summon this guy

njumnjoj0sandunbfoa

[velvet isle]

Did you ever find something

[velvet isle]

@gleaming prairie

[main flume]

mhm

[velvet isle]

Is that the password or what

[main flume]

no its his nickanme

[maiden hull]

He fears if he says yes he will get potato bunned

[main flume]

i just cant spel

[velvet isle]

…potato bunned

[maiden hull]

!bun @user

[main flume]

i warned him in his dms earlier

[velvet isle]

Breaded for life

[main flume]

i love breadf

[rapid perch]

bunned...

[gleaming prairie]

yes

very nice

[gleaming prairie]

thank you again good sir 🙃

[maiden hull]

By the way for the cooler I’m using: Deepcool Castle 360EX

The fans I’m using on that radiator are Lian Li’s P28

If temps are going to be unbearable I might consider upgrading to something more ideal

12700K temps have been solid even with power limits on ASUS’s automatic configuration

I hear compared to 13th gen, 14th gen on ASUS auto behaves a bit different, but mostly similar

https://youtu.be/D8qEzL8MM50?si=B341-gTKr1DV3RA3 saw from here

[rapid perch]

ah i forgot you ended up getting the p28s

[main flume]

this thread is only for reach people ❌

ricgh

[rapid perch]

not rlly

[maiden hull]

Yeah been enjoying them over my deepcool fans

[rapid perch]

just people who invest a portion of their money on hardware for their personal computers 💯

[maiden hull]

My plan is to have the 14900K probably be my final cpu for quite a while until AM5 ceases

Plan to skip AM5 entire unless there’s an issue on cb and no one on my team has AM5

Have had situations where there’s hardware specific issues and most eyes turned to me to purchase hardware to check

[main flume]

if ill invest a portion of my money into personal computer ill end up with Raspberry Pi Pico and 2 eur debt

[rapid perch]

ouch

[maiden hull]

Mostly launcher having bad detections with DDR5 due to a library fault

[rapid perch]

am5 will be around for a good while though

[maiden hull]

I coincidentally bought a DDR5 laptop for other reasons

[rapid perch]

how long have you had your deepcool castle?

i also forgot which case you have

[maiden hull]

Since August 2021

Repasted with Arctic MX6 back in like

May 2023

[maiden hull]

Phanteks P500A

[rapid perch]

I would probably upgrade one or the other if you're going for the 14900k, its not necessary but will make things decently easier to manage

shit heats up fast under heavy loads in my experience

im not too experienced with phanteks cases but i havent heard good or bad things about their cases so

[maiden hull]

Hmm

[polar valve]

neither lolllllll

[rapid perch]

7800x3d

[maiden hull]

Either 14900K, 14700K, or nothing

I ain’t boutta swap my motherboard

[polar valve]

just see my post in off-topic

it shouldve pinged you yesterday

has most of the tests youd want i imagine

[main flume]

yall

i dont understand

after applying liquid metal my fps dropped significantly

yet the temps dropped, and it maintains the frequency

[main flume]

gpu temps seem higher than before

i read a few reddit posts

they suggest that the thermal pads on the vram create uneven pressure

i might replace them with the regular thermal paste

hmmm

if i enable bd prochot

it triggers at 75°C

and drops my frequency to 800MHz

cam someone share their opinionnnn

[main flume]

just taken it apart again

holy shit its hot

mybe its not the conductivity, but the cooling system itself

[main flume]

why did it turn into balls 🤔

[main flume]

i spread it evenly again and the temps are back low again

[rapid perch]

I SMOKIN REEFER

[main flume]

dont

i very condemn it

[rapid perch]

i like the song

shoutoualex

[polar valve]

ballz haha

[maiden hull]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Windows11/s/7LEcsMQNxB

Thought this was Nvidia specific?

[granite pollen]

had to disable it in every vm i ever made, fixed all of the stutter issues i had

[opal ocean]

what gpu brands should i avoid

if any

[rapid perch]

zotac

i only really buy FE, Asus, and MSI rn

mostly FE, since theyre easiest to put in ITX but im on a MSI Suprim X right now in my ATX

[opal ocean]

ty

[maiden hull]

Zotac cooling solutions most of the time are either cheap or just weird

If it’s 40 series you may have luck

Older than that

Have fun having a bad time

[opal ocean]

i probably wont be getting a 40 series

im looking at 3060/3060ti

nothing too crazy expensive

[maiden hull]

What do you even have right now

[opal ocean]

5600x and 3050

16gb ram

[maiden hull]

3050 to a 3060/3060 Ti is wasteful

Don’t do that

[opal ocean]

ok

what would you recommend i go to

without upgrading cpu cause i do NOT have the money to upgrade both

[main flume]

keep the money

[maiden hull]

Yeah keep it and expand your budget later in

On*

Don’t feel like you have to spend it on something

[main flume]

my plan is to get a 5700g, build some smol mini itx pc and then get a gpu in the future

what do y'all ppl think

[uneven goblet]

R5 5600
Motherboard
8x2 3200 MHz DDR4 RAM
970 EVO PLUS
RTX 3050
Corsair H100 RGB 240mm CPU Cooler
Deepcool PM650D, 650 Watt, 80 Plus Gold
CC560 Case
Acer Nitro VG240YS 23.8 Inch
Redragon K617 deez good specs?!

[granite pollen]

Should be fine

[uneven goblet]

Also another question my laptop got shorted so will it be safe to use the same ssd?

[granite pollen]

Should be fine(if your SSD didn't die)

[uneven goblet]

How do i know that

[granite pollen]

Plugging it in

If it is dead, it's just dead it shouldn't affect your pc

[uneven goblet]

K

[main flume]

ooh yours too?

[polar valve]

incredibly mediocre

[maiden hull]

Absolutely NO ONE should be getting into AM4

AM4 upgrades should only happen now if you already have AM4 platform

@main flume @uneven goblet

Either LGA1700, AM5, or none

That’s your option

No AM4, otherwise go straight to 5800X3D and nothing else

[polar valve]

if youre broke

go AM5

[main flume]

;'(

[polar valve]

LGA1700 is dead-end from now on

[maiden hull]

Yeah

[polar valve]

no more refreshes iirc

[main flume]

giffgaff i ave no moeny

i thought abou that

[maiden hull]

Then don’t get a new platform

Buy cheap, buy twice

That’s how it works

And that’s a situation you don’t want to do

[main flume]

sir im

[maiden hull]

You don’t have to buy a new platform now

[maiden hull]

Did you seriously brick your dGPU

[main flume]

ye

[polar valve]

and u probably still play better thyan june :3

[maiden hull]

Ouch

[polar valve]

brotha just get a new gpu 😄

[maiden hull]

That’s a laptop

[main flume]

damn i forgot i can just put it into my laptop

thanjks simon

[polar valve]

Np

hope to be of help again 👍

[maiden hull]

AM5 is the way to go for new builders right now

I’d seldom recommend LGA 1700 if that becomes last resort

Again, AM4? 5800X3D

Can’t do that? Find a different platform

[polar valve]

cant find that? commit theft

[main flume]

whjere

waht doi steaaal

[maiden hull]

june

[uneven goblet]

Bro speak English I don't understand computer

[uneven goblet]

How much do they cost

[uneven goblet]

I'm not planning to upgrade in the next 10 years or something lol

I'm not rich

[polar valve]

would probably go under poor, and not just "not rich"

[uneven goblet]

I got uni next year

[maiden hull]

Just saying but a desktop at uni really isn’t a good idea

Coming from personal experience

I tried it with having one desktop at college and home

Not very productive

[maiden hull]

If you really want AM4, fine

But just know pc hardware does get obsolete faster than you think

I even said back in 2019 “I want my pc to last, I don’t plan to upgrade in the next 5+ years”

Clearly didn’t go to plan

[uneven goblet]

you mean break orr?

[uneven goblet]

i dont want it i just dont have the budget for it

[exotic parcel]

thing is, you'll probably need to upgrade in the next 5 years if you go am4

and that's probs an optimistic guess

[maiden hull]

The main reason why I say to go for AM5 is because by the time you’d want to do an upgrade (during AM5 end of life), it would just be the CPU

Maybe the GPU if you wanted but you wouldn’t be spending a glorified amount of money just for that kind of CPU upgrade

[exotic parcel]

yeah

if you go am4 you'll need to change the motherboard

and (maybe) the ram

[maiden hull]

oh it’s not a maybe anymore

It’s most definitely

DDR4 is dead once LGA 1700 is dead

[exotic parcel]

i'm in that situation (5800x, rtx 3060, 16gb ddr4 2133mhz) and it sucks
if i want to upgrade anything, i'll need to change my motherboard

if i upgrade the gpu i'll need a better psu, if i get a new cpu i'll need a new mb and ram (and maybe psu)

wouldn't recommend tbh

'might as well bite the bullet and build a more expensive am5 build rn, imo am4 is kinda fucked/eol

[uneven goblet]

Kk I'll see in jan cuz 8k series is dropping then

What's a good mb for am5

[uneven goblet]

Am 5 build
R5 7600
GIGABYTE B650M DS3H Motherboard
8x2 3200 MHz DDR4 RAM
970 EVO PLUS
RTX 3050
Corsair H100 RGB 240mm CPU Cooler
Deepcool PM650D, 650 Watt, 80 Plus Gold
CC560 Case
Acer Nitro VG240YS 23.8 Inch
Redragon K617

This would be compatible right cuz I can't find it the cpu and motherboard on pc part picker

[maiden hull]

Gonna say right now I would start linking PC part pickers and limiting to preferred merchants if that’s why you’re manually linking

Also, what’s your absolute maximum budget you’re aiming for?

I’d prefer to go parametric to help lay out a good price for each target

But yes

The cpu and motherboard are compatible

Lemmie rebuild that on PCPartPicker but parametric and I’ll see what I get

But DDR4 will not work

That might be why you can’t get the motherboard to show up due to incompatibility

[uneven goblet]

My max budget would be just a bit over 1.1k dollar

[maiden hull]

Dollar in what currency

US, AU?

CA

Just wanting to make sure since AUD and CAD are drastically higher

also, I never got what you were intending what you wanted to do with your build

What games, recording/streaming (if that’s a target), resolution, other applications will you be using?

If that’s not determined, just wanting a general intent

By the way you can @ reply me, I don’t mind

[uneven goblet]

Us

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/Lunarate/saved/#view=w3gTmG

A bit over budget

[maiden hull]

I can’t see that

Can you send the list that looks like this?

[uneven goblet]

K

[maiden hull]

by the way @polar valve I’m a bit out of the loop with DDR5 timings. I’m not entirely sure what are a good base to start with and what to utterly avoid

[maiden hull]

Click Edit Part List

Should show up agyer

After

[uneven goblet]

K

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/6GhNxH

[maiden hull]

Perfect ty

Before I start dissecting each part, are there any that you specifically chose for a reason?

Other than AM5 because I recommended that platform

Or was it more of mindlessly picking in hopes of the target budget

[maiden hull]

This is mostly what I will use to determine what should be considered when setting up the filters, but any other additional criteria would be greatly appreciated

[uneven goblet]

I'll be playing Minecraft the most and sometimes fortnite

[maiden hull]

Alright

[uneven goblet]

Oh and renders

[maiden hull]

Renders will easily narrow down the GPU

Well really a competent encoder

This also means I can probably be a bit loose with GPU VRAM

So perhaps that 3050 might be feasible, but not something I would still recommend

Gonna see what AMD has to offer in terms of general performance

I only consider AMD’s 7000 series when dealing with any encoding based stuff

Due to AV1 chip

Anything else from AMD is a no go

[uneven goblet]

Alr

[maiden hull]

Normally I would always default to NVIDIA

But AMD does give good performance but that depends on the card

I need to look at GPU benchmarks again to get an idea

I heard the the RX 7600 was a shit show but not sure if that was bad performance or the price being unpredictable

@uneven goblet do you need a motherboard that supports WiFi, or are you primarily using Ethernet and don’t mind having a board without WiFi? That will mean you’ll need a separate card (which I would pick a non WiFi model anyways if it included a slot)/dongle

I only ask to narrow my choices

[uneven goblet]

I use wifi

[maiden hull]

Alr

[uneven goblet]

It's kinda crossing my budget by 84 dollars hope it lowers when 8000 series releases

[maiden hull]

By the way not all the parts showed a price. Trying to work out making sure you can reach 1.1K

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/JhTTpB this is where I stand right now

I pretty much am having to cheap out on the RAM and SSD

Well the motherboard too in that regard

I omitted the cooler as it’ll already come with one

I’d only buy one after the fact if temps become an actual issue

Or if you do upgrade down the line to something more beefy and need a new cooler

If this being over budget is fine, there u go but I’m gonna dig deeper to see if I can iron out the quirks

But that will give you an idea how I deal with parametric

[summer rapids]

If you are not dead set on that monitor you can go with the VG249Q1A and get some better ram and a cooler

Like this https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Gky2Wt

Motherboard is on backorder though

[maiden hull]

That too ^

Gonna expand that case list since I can go down further

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/hLn4YN

Still rough but I went with the original motherboard choice as that can work

I also selected the motherboard on back order in the case that ever goes back in stock and remains cheaper

Hold up why is 7600 not selected anymore

That’s a problem

Ah wait it’s my account that is limiting it due to narrowing to Amazon

God the SSD chosen is so shit LOL

Was showing total of $1130

Yeah I have a bit more flexibility now

I’ll come back to this tmr

Mainly needing to narrow down RAM choices and SSD

Maybe a better cooler too

And switching out the monitor

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/cVXt9c last one before I go to bed

Not finalized but a better idea of what I’m going after

[uneven goblet]

how good is radeon rx compared to nvidia gpus?

[polar valve]

dont get corsair h100 ever

unless its literally free

[uneven goblet]

Yeah I'll remove that

Is the stock any good?

[exotic parcel]

either stock or phantom spirit 120 (se or not), the h100 seems overpriced af

[uneven goblet]

K

[uneven goblet]

That puts ne close to my budget thanks

[exotic parcel]

(i can vouch for the 120 se, i have one with a r7 5800x and i've never gone above ~75-80° even during stress tests)

[uneven goblet]

Alr

[uneven goblet]

Something cheaper than the phantom spirit 120 se that's cheap?

[exotic parcel]

Idk, you could always try stock first and see if its good enough

[uneven goblet]

Ryzen 5 7600
Gigabyte B650M DS3H
[Kingston FURY beast 2x8(cant find on amazon.in]
[Mushkin Vortex Redline 1tb can't find on amazon.in]
Radeon Rx 7600
Phanteks Eclipse G300A
Cooler master MWE Gold 850
Acer Nitro VG240YS 23.8 Inch
Redragon k617

Does new egg deliver to India?

[maiden hull]

https://it.pcpartpicker.com/list/cVXt9c let’s see if this converts

https://in.pcpartpicker.com/list/cVXt9c let’s see if this converts

FUCK

What are all the appropriate PC Part Picker regions

[uneven goblet]

It doesn't include india for sure

[maiden hull]

fork

[uneven goblet]

Wym

[maiden hull]

Was wanting to convert to your relative currency so I could properly fit your budget and have products that are available in your area

[uneven goblet]

https://www.amazon.de/dp/B0BRTJFFBW?th=1&linkCode=gs2&tag=pcp05-21 Ram

https://www.amazon.de/dp/B0C3XLNHCP?psc=1&th=1&linkCode=gs2&tag=pcp05-21 Tower

https://www.amazon.de/dp/B0BBWH1R8H?psc=1&th=1&linkCode=gs2&tag=pcp05-21 SSD
closest stuff I found

Uhh it's Europe tho

https://www.amazon.in/dp/B0BBWH1R8H?th=1&linkCode=gs2&tag=pcp05-21

https://www.amazon.in/dp/B0C3XLNHCP?th=1&linkCode=gs2&tag=pcp05-21 (not available)

https://www.amazon.in/Redragon-K552-RGB-Backlit-Mechanical-Keyboard/dp/B019O9BLVY/ref=sr_1_1?crid=1S1KQ0GQB5BNZ&keywords=Redragon+k552&qid=1702057850&sprefix=redragon+k552%2Caps%2C89&sr=8-1

https://www.amazon.in/Kingston-2x16GB-4800MT-Desktop-KF548C38BBK2-32/dp/B09KCLWW2K/ref=sr_1_1?crid=K691VVHFVAD2&keywords=Kingston%2BFury%2Bbeast%2Bblack%2B2x8gb&qid=1702057917&sprefix=kingston%2Bfury%2Bbeast%2Bblack%2B2x8gb%2Caps%2C80&sr=8-1&th=1

This is the closest

[uneven goblet]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/cVXt9c do I need a 7600x

The other one fits budget better

[polar valve]

you dont need a 7600x

[uneven goblet]

Would this one suffice? https://pcpartpicker.com/list/cVXt9c

[uneven goblet]

Also what makes rx 7600 better than nvidia gpus(we're speaking like 4060,3060, gtx 1660 super/ti) in terms of renders, rendering speed and fps

[maiden hull]

Not necessarily better by the way

I chose it because it’s a valid option

Due to AV1

The H.264 option is not viable to use

Same with H.265

well it’s a bit better on the AMD side

But AV1 is where you’ll want to look

[uneven goblet]

That's only for renders though, right?

[maiden hull]

NVIDIA technically is better statistically if you use their AV1

[maiden hull]

Practically it means nothing when you actually look at the videos

[maiden hull]

That’s for any encoding situation

So really yes that includes renders

[uneven goblet]

So wouldn't nvidia be better overall?

[maiden hull]

That’s where you check for rasterized performance

That’ll be your real settlement

[uneven goblet]

What's rasterized performance

[polar valve]

AND RAYTRACED !!!!!!!!

[maiden hull]

Ah yes

Gotta get those mega giga rays

[maiden hull]

Raw performance

What you’re basically asking about fps

https://gamersnexus.net/u/styles/large_responsive_no_watermark_/public/inline-images/best-gpus-2023_00014.jpg.webp

But you’ll want to check the price for each of the cards you mentioned

Specifically the 4060 and 7600

And their Ti variants

[polar valve]

unironically gamechanging when available

[uneven goblet]

Ti in rx is xt right

[polar valve]

love raytraced reflections

[maiden hull]

Yes

Marketing wise

Names mean nothing to me

Until I associate their actual performance

[polar valve]

all amds 7000 cards should be lowered one tier :3

[maiden hull]

Heck for all I could care NVIDIA could have released the 4070 as a 4080 that performed like what the 4070 does now

[polar valve]

(except 7900 xtx)

[uneven goblet]

Ah so rx 7600 is like 4 fps less than a normal 4060 which is why you and is a cheaper option and which is why I'm guessing you picked it?

[maiden hull]

Mhm

Well the parametric did

Technically

But definitely check Amazon.in first

I’ll let you be the judge

[uneven goblet]

Kk also would these suffice?

[polar valve]

on average

[uneven goblet]

4060 on Amazon.in is crazy high

[polar valve]

they have identical rasterized

7600 should be markedly worse in raytraced performance, and usually has slightly less polished features

but if its cheaper i dont see a reason not to go with it

[maiden hull]

Like what’s the point of NVIDIA’s encoder for h.264 and h.265 when AV1 is superior anyways

[maiden hull]

I’m still not concerned with ray tracing atm for this guy

[uneven goblet]

I'm not gonna use ray tracing

[polar valve]

you never know what hes gonna play / do

sickening behaviour .

truly .

[maiden hull]

How dare you not embrace the rays …

[uneven goblet]

Unless I'll be like taking like cool screen shots lol

[maiden hull]

/j.

[polar valve]

thankfully

[maiden hull]

Where the hell is the 4060

I don’t see it

[polar valve]

7600 was reviewed before 4060

so 4060 isnt in the chart

2s

[maiden hull]

Ah fair

It’s been more than 2 seconds

You have not only scammed

But mega scammed

[maiden hull]

Ty

I retract my scam accusation

[polar valve]

< 3

[uneven goblet]

Some of these are lower specs than what is mentioned in the part picker

[polar valve]

if we're to be realistic

it really doesnt matter for you

[maiden hull]

I’ll let Simon be the judge of DDR5 SSD and ram since I’m behind in that department

[uneven goblet]

Idk who is simon

[maiden hull]

Yeah for ssds id guess he wouldn’t need to worry about the speeds if he’s not doing big file transfers a lot

[polar valve]

i frankly didnt even know you could get 8gb sticks of d5 LOL

[maiden hull]

But what do I know I don’t look at SSD charts 24/7

[polar valve]

wtf

[maiden hull]

I just know that apparently most ssds are shit

But I could be wrong

[polar valve]

should be chill aslong as you have a dram cache, no?

[maiden hull]

I think?

[uneven goblet]

Samsung 970 evo is fast right?

[polar valve]

its fine

[maiden hull]

||HOW DARE U NOT PICK THE FASTEST SSD U DISGRACE||

[polar valve]

wouldnt classify it as fast, but again

really doesnt matter for you

[maiden hull]

You’d have to be me for it to matter

[polar valve]

990 pro :3

[uneven goblet]

What do ssd and ram speeds even do

[polar valve]

well they basically

[uneven goblet]

Basically?

[maiden hull]

I think he’s retrieving something

Give him a moment

[polar valve]

they

[uneven goblet]

Real

Ryzen 5 7600
Gigabyte B650M DS3H
Kingston FURY beast 2x8
Kingston 1tb
Radeon Rx 7600
Phanteks Eclipse G300A
Cooler master MWE Gold 850
Acer Nitro VG240YS 23.8 Inch
Redragon k617

The ram is very expensive

Just the cpu mother board ram storage and gpu almost put me above my budget

[uneven goblet]

Uhh

Kingston Fury Beast 16GB (2x8GB) 5200MT/s DDR5 CL36 RGB Desktop Memory Kit of 2 | Infrared Syncing | AMD Expo | Plug N Play | KF552C36BBEAK2-16 https://amzn.eu/d/4OYGxrZ would this suffice @polar valve

Also tellinq can you find something cheaper than ASRock B650 PRO RS Socket AMD AM5/ Chipset AMD B650/ DDR5/ SATA3 & M.2 ATX Motherboard https://amzn.eu/d/2EohpOg

Will GIGABYTE B650M DS3H (AM5/ LGA 1718/ AMD/ B650/ Micro ATX/ 5-Year Warranty/ DDR5/ PCIe 4.0 M.2/ PCIe 4.0/ USB 3.2 Gen2X2 Type-C/ 2.5GbE LAN/Motherboard) https://amzn.eu/d/a6MTXJq work fine?

[uneven goblet]

Or will this drop with release of ryzen 8000 series

[maiden hull]

Ryzen 8000 is for laptops

Not desktop

[uneven goblet]

Oh so is https://amzn.eu/d/a6MTXJq good enough cuz with the asrock it's going out of budget

[uneven goblet]

Ryzen 5 7600 / On itdepot
ASRock B650 PRO RS Socket AMD AM5 / On Mdcomputers please check cuz it's a bit different specs
Kingston Fury Beast RGB 8GB 5200MT/s DDR5 CL40 x2
970 evo plus 500gb / on it depot_C93P31344.html)
Radeon Rx 7600 / on easyshoppi I looked on some reddits, seems legit but would like a confirmation
Deepcool CC560 Limited
Cooler master MWE Gold 750
Acer Nitro VG240YS 23.8 Inch / on itdepot
Redragon k617

Total = 91k inr fits in my budget

Idk how I can reduce the price I need to get it down to 90-92k

Do I need a 850w?

[summer rapids]

Use this site to find parts https://pcpricetracker.in/

[uneven goblet]

Alr

[uneven goblet]

86 dollars above budget

[uneven goblet]

And it is not including the case since idk the price it's not on sale anywhere

DEEPCOOL Macube 110 Abs, Spcc, Tempered Glass Bk Black Micro Atx Computer Cabinet With Magnetic Tempered Glass With Up To Six 120Mm Or Four 140Mm Cooling Fans Support And Radiators Up To 280Mm (Black) https://amzn.eu/d/3r3AmoZ is this viable

[uneven goblet]

I still can find a decent case that fits on my budget and is available on amazon

[uneven goblet]

I'll do the new total soon

[uneven goblet]

Ryzen 5 7600 / On itdepot
ASRock B650 PRO RS Socket AMD AM5 / On Mdcomputers please check cuz it's a bit different specs
Kingston Fury Beast RGB 8GB 5200MT/s DDR5 CL40 x2
970 evo plus 500gb / on it depot_C93P31344.html)
Radeon Rx 7600 / on easyshoppi I looked on some reddits, seems legit but would like a confirmation
Deepcool CC560 Limited
Cooler master MWE Gold 750
Acer Nitro VG240YS 23.8 Inch / on itdepot
Redragon k617

Is the deepcool ak400 zero dark or deepcool ak400 good for my build

[uneven goblet]

Also what temps will my cpu be at with stock cooler and what would it be at with deepcool ak400

[maiden hull]

That’s not definitive

[uneven goblet]

Would it be high with a stock tho, I've heard some pretty bad stuff about it's cooling

[maiden hull]

Yeah they’re generally higher

[uneven goblet]

Some guy on reddit says it could get to 95 celsius

[maiden hull]

Well that will happen on any cooler for AM5

That’s actually intended by AMD

[uneven goblet]

So 95 is normal?

[maiden hull]

Yes, that’s what I said

You can reduce it through undervolting if you’d like

Completely optional tho

[uneven goblet]

And if I overclock would to go above 95?

[maiden hull]

What’s happening is AMD is setting the clock speed as high as it can as long as your cooler can withstand

[uneven goblet]

Ah ok

[maiden hull]

Having a better than stock cooler will help

[exotic parcel]

so it's basically auto-oc-ing ?

[maiden hull]

no

That’s where PBO comes in

And then yes

That will happen

[polar valve]

well . . .

[maiden hull]

well . . .

GN said so!

[polar valve]

depending on the cpu you decide to get!

forgot he was getting giga-budget shit

[uneven goblet]

So you would you suggest a cooler?

[main flume]

i would suggest a couleur

[exotic parcel]

Do we know what the msrp will be for the 5X00x3d ? (Replace X with anything)

[uneven goblet]

😱😱

[polar valve]

????

[exotic parcel]

weren't some 5000x3d cpu announced &/or leaked?

[maiden hull]

Yeah

5500X3D and 5700X3D

[polar valve]

wtf when

[exotic parcel]

do we know the price yet or nah

[maiden hull]

I personally don’t know

Just saw articles pulling out those names

[nimble ingot]

ew

pbo i so bad

[maiden hull]

No

[restive ridge]

💾⠂Hardware & PC Building

@lone jackal @green lantern @uneven goblet moved to this

[lone jackal]

👍

[uneven goblet]

!

I have gotten the attention of couleur

[restive ridge]

https://cryptpad.fr/form/#/2/form/view/aI-028lI3F+uckcNEFQ6P6t5tQHsjvEPcEhG3mgzKxw/

get me attention there ty

[maiden hull]

@polar valve I’m looking for a solid NVME SSD but no more than 10 Gbps as I’m using it for external storage

Found a hub that im gonna use as also external storage to replace all my USB flash drives including Ventoy

Only downside is the one I’m gonna get is limited to 10 Gbps (not Gigabytes, Gigabits) but that’s fine since I’m not doing constant file transfers

I’m not caught up on SSD trends. I’m mainly focused on high capacity

5 TB max

Probably 2-4 TB tho

[nimble ingot]

get 990 pro 4tb / sn850x 4tb / p44 pro / p41 plus / p31

[maiden hull]

Ahem

[nimble ingot]

?

[maiden hull]

10 Gigabits limit

Not gigabytes

[nimble ingot]

and ?

[maiden hull]

Therefore I cannot accept those recommendations

Wasted speeds

For external storage

[nimble ingot]

what

[maiden hull]

Like I said

[nimble ingot]

get a usb c one

done

thunderbolt

[maiden hull]

No that ruins the hotswap nature

For your recommendations however they’re perfectly valid for internal storage nature

I could consider swapping an existing 2 TB SSD I already own that had lower speeds

And then upgrade my internal storage

that might also be a better play

[polar valve]

probably would be

[polar valve]

frankly cant think of anything in that speed range at all

[maiden hull]

I mean 1250 MBps is considered shit nowadays

For SSDs

[polar valve]

thats what i mean

id barely consider getting myself a 970 evo nowadays, and thats still far above the requested speed

[maiden hull]

Actually I think I have an SSD that is close to the 10 Gbps speeds

It’s 512 GBs tho

It’s an ADATA XPG (forgot the model but it’s like 1800 MB/s iirc)

It’s not in one of my main systems but in what’s gonna be a Proxmox server

And needs a bunch of virtual machines running

Which WILL have high data transfer

[maiden hull]

So in this case your suggestions are greatly appreciated for that system

If the time comes where I need more external storage I’ll probably look at budget 4-5 TB ssds if they ever exist

[nimble ingot]

crucial p3 plus

but it s kinda shit

[uneven goblet]

Hey, I was browsing around and came across this thread #1026794372659937311 message

[restive ridge]

wait this isn’t true 900 series also have nvenc

[uneven goblet]

😱

[maiden hull]

That’s true for H.264 and H.265

They’re missing context about AMD’s AV1 implementation

Which is not true at all for that statement

[uneven goblet]

So now amd av1's implementation makes it better?

[maiden hull]

It makes AMD 7000 series more viable of a recording option

NVIDIA also has their own AV1 implementation too

But practically they’re basically the same

So all you need to consider is just rasterized performance to price

That’s it

[uneven goblet]

Ah ok

[polar valve]

AND OTHER FEATURES !!!!!!!!!!!!

[uneven goblet]

Oh also last thing I have heard some bad stuff about amd drivers and windows does it still happen or is that fixed

[granite pollen]

From what I've seen online, it was NVIDIA drivers messing with AMD drivers

Use DDU and you should be good

[uneven goblet]

Aight

[main flume]

i found some weird glitch in my setup

so my portable display uses an external power adapter

and if i plug all that into my gpu it causes one of my case fans to spin slowly

also makes gpu whistle or sum

very fun

[tulip sage]

https://images.stockx.com/images/NVIDIA-Yeston-RTX-3080-10GB-LHR-RTX3080-10G-D6X-YA.jpg?fit=fill&bg=FFFFFF&w=700&h=500&fm=webp&auto=compress&q=90&dpr=2&trim=color&updated_at=1658333265

this so prrty idk how i never seen

[polar valve]

bc nobody in the west buys yeston gpus

swear

[tulip sage]

its so beautiful

but they only have 30 series til now

im shopping for a 4090 atm

for 1080p 27"(lel) display.

[polar valve]

4090 hof, 4090 strix, 4090 matrix

[tulip sage]

wait the matrix looks so insane

[polar valve]

its also like $2.5K iirc

[tulip sage]

it wont fit in my case tho

insert rage emoji

[polar valve]

why 😦

its js a 360mm rad

[tulip sage]

ya but i alrdy have one running on the top

the side doesnt fit 360 i think

[polar valve]

which case ?

[tulip sage]

hyte y60

[polar valve]

yeah rip 😭

most cases built like that support side 360

js thought this would too

[tulip sage]

rip

[nimble ingot]

4090 supprimx / liquid / fe

^+

hof is noice

matrix is strix

literally same shit, just bin

[tulip sage]

is suprimx liquid much better than the normal one

i was thinking strix cus i saw it at top of list above all the others lol

[restive ridge]

get the tier above instead of useless cosmetic edition ure gonna look at the frames ur gpu feeds to ur display not at the interior of ur case

they spent all budget on the box art and it’s just a blue-accent on the gpu, really not worth it

[tulip sage]

they stop at 3080 anyway i alrdy have 3080ti

and i do care abt what it looks like

[restive ridge]

why..?? 🤨

[lone jackal]

compliments

the amt of ppl walked in my house and be like "wow that is a rlly nice looking pc" since i got my new pc compared to the old "ur pc is so ugly loool"

[restive ridge]

next pc is fat ass noctua

not even bothering buying extra for chromax.black

thé most performant for the price fuck the rest

[nimble ingot]

it s the supprim with a rad

[nimble ingot]

yeston models are alright if not good

[nimble ingot]

no, they do the 4070 / 4070 ti also

[nimble ingot]

ew

get phanteks t30

and build a custom watercooling

it is so cheap now

[polar valve]

if you cared about most performant you wouldnt be buying noctua

but go on son

[restive ridge]

??

[polar valve]

??

[restive ridge]

idk any better i haven’t been in pc parts for 2+ years

whats the new hot cool kids config

[lone jackal]

config of pc parts is crazy

[polar valve]

phanteks t30 or some fast as fuck industrial fans

[lone jackal]

so smoothie pilled

[polar valve]

and a good 360/420 rad

[tulip sage]

not enough

[polar valve]

so a better bin of an already nice card

not really a bad thing

[nimble ingot]

not worth the price

founders edition is literally better than most custom ards

cooling is kinda meh but enough

[polar valve]

keyword being most

[polar valve]

who cares if its worth it

its a 4090

its already up there in price

[nimble ingot]

custom watercooling is cheap now

[nimble ingot]

no

[polar valve]

dont expect anyone here to do custom watercooling

[nimble ingot]

don t waste price on such menu improvement, invest in peripherals and cooling

[nimble ingot]

?

it cost like 2 cheap aio

[polar valve]

?

[nimble ingot]

?

[maiden hull]

?

[polar valve]

i mean dont expect anyone in here to bother building

a custom loop

its not in their skillset, and its not something most of them want to do

[nimble ingot]

don t tell me you find it hard

[polar valve]

. . .

[maiden hull]

…

[polar valve]

are you genuinely braindead

like actually

can you not understand english

[nimble ingot]

i m not talking about youtube girly rgb youhouuuu custom wastes money views framechaser

just a rad / tubing / pump / reservoir / ram waterblock / cpu / ssd

vrm and pch if you want

[tulip sage]

he said no one will bother

YOU IDIOT

NOT THAT ITS EXPENSIVE

[polar valve]

he doesnt speak english

no point trying to explain it to him

[nimble ingot]

wesh pardon les mecs

relax max

[tulip sage]

team lmk if L purchase before i merry christmas myself

[polar valve]

average fans

[tulip sage]

what fans do u recommend

[polar valve]

and wowww rgb cable is so rgb 😮

[tulip sage]

stop this.

i want all black with white rgb

like so.

are the fans nooby or sum

[polar valve]

if you js want rgb

maybe lian li p28 ;P

[polar valve]

they work !!!

if they spin & pc isnt overheating

it isnt a big deal

[tulip sage]

omg theres reverse versions of the infinty one

thats all i had to hear

go DIE simon

in bad busines

[polar valve]

WTF !!!!!!!!!

[tulip sage]

in bad busineses.

[maiden hull]

I HAVE THESE

I LOVE THEM

[polar valve]

i only know them bc of u

i havent seen a single other person mention them ever LOL

[maiden hull]

damn

[polar valve]

but tpu had a positive review, and theyre rgb'ified

[tulip sage]

no fucking way

[maiden hull]

and then we have the fucking Apex metal sandwich fans that Igors lab misrepresented

[polar valve]

so theyre a good recommendation for most ppl

[tulip sage]

lian li put screens on fans

LMFAO

[polar valve]

dude im so sad ab that

[maiden hull]

ikr

[polar valve]

they also js handled it so badly

[maiden hull]

wait wait wait

the way they handled

[tulip sage]

LKNMFAOO

[polar valve]

the backlash from other reviewers testing it & not getting results anywhere near what they did

[maiden hull]

is exactly what @minor cargo @snow plover and I were experiencing in VC with mmunk

"oh but x person tested it"

[polar valve]

hjow how how how

[polar valve]

dawg LOL

i dont even hate that

[maiden hull]

oh you should have been in vc when it happened

[restive ridge]

play in that’s

[lone jackal]

@maiden hull join rn vc

[minor cargo]

yo!

[lone jackal]

we need u here

ur the support god

[snow plover]

hai :333333333

[minor cargo]

https://tenor.com/view/duck-duck-eat-duck-cat-food-cat-food-cat-gif-27137026

[snow plover]

ok STOP

my FOOD

[restive ridge]

@maiden hull i expect a 40 page summary of what was explained in voice chat in dms

[minor cargo]

:3

[snow plover]

:3

[maiden hull]

;#

[minor cargo]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1098540663903113242/1131818758919426118/Me_When.gif

[polar valve]

like imagine if we had gotten an actually quiet high-cfm (on rads) 😭

[minor cargo]

this me