Michigan u-turns

[fair osprey]

This is a pretty small idea, but since both CC, and NB are in Superior, which used to be Michigan, maybe you can incorporate Michigan U-turns in the build!

[weak nymph]

Thay would probably mean doing really wide parkways to allow for them. Both highways in CWC and NB have really narrow Highway rights of way .

[jade inlet]

I haven't seen every CWC episode, but is it established as being in Superior? For some reason, I've always imagined it as being around Green Bay.

(Also, I can't think of a single place in Superior that uses Michigan lefts.)

[weak nymph]

CWC is like in an Imaginary breakaway state of Michigan, and he calls it Superior

I dont know if the actual "Clear Water" in the series is the Lake Superior

[waxen glade]

CWC is supposed to be somewhere more in the west of the region: superior id supposed to be the UP of Michigan and some of the northern, coastal areas of Minnesota and Wisconsin. It's not stated whether the body of water in CWC is on lake Superior or lake Michigan, actually, I don't think.

[jade inlet]

That's cool. It could certainly use Michigan lefts on some of the bigger roads in CWC.

[waxen glade]

I will say I can't think I've seen a single one in the eastern UP. They seem to be more of a down south thing. It doesn't seem unreasonable they might sneak into Ashland or Van Buren! Couliard is definitely too small to accommodate any sort of wide collector/artery yet.

[weak nymph]

Iam not American, so can someone tell me where is UP?

Uttar Pradesh comes to mind when I think UP

[ornate tiger]

upper peninsula

the north part of michigan

nicolet bay is on the very north of the lower peninsula

and the island is halfway between

[waxen glade]

Island is actually just off the coast of the UP, the ferry ride from Mack City is definitely longer.
Unless you're on one of the runs from St. Ignace that sails under the bridge before going to the island

Used to be able to sleigh over from St. Ignace in the winter, but the ice is getting thinner every year...

[weak nymph]

Ah, so the islands Nicolet Bay map has are right in the middle of both

[waxen glade]

Specifically it's the two just to the east of the straits, Mackinac and Bois Blanc, in Lake Huron

[weak nymph]

So we can imagine that main town in Nicolet Bay is the city Macinac in that map?

[devout sandal]

It's in the same spot

[waxen glade]

the town that's currently being focused on is roughly in the same location as St. Ignace

its dot is right next to Mackinac island, there's also Mackinaw City (which is legally a village, not a city 😅 ) where the Mackinac bridge icon is which might see development in the build, but is not part of Superior

[fair osprey]

Wait so Nicollet bay isn’t in Superior??

[devout sandal]

It is, just in the very edge

That long bridge goes between MI and Superior

[waxen glade]

No it is, the little bit to the south of the bridge in the map is still supposed to be Michigan though
This is the general area the map is based off of

Landmass at the south is Michigan; I'm assuming Bois Blanc (or whatever it is to be called in game) is going to be part of Superior as well.

[jade inlet]

In our timeline, there is a Mackinac Bridge info radio station, and one of the questions on it is "When I cross the bridge, will I be in Canada or Wisconsin?" "Neither! You'll be in Michigan's Upper Peninsula!"

In Nicolet Bay, I imagine the answer is someone saying bitterly "Neither! You'll be in the land stolen from Michigan by the federal government!"

[grim axle]

People from Wisconsin be like this ong

[weak nymph]

Wow, I didnt know the Nicolet bay map was made so close to the real thing

[weak nymph]

Tbh, why is the north of Wisconsin under Michigan's rule anyway? Having that land for Wisconsin makes more sense geographically

[jade inlet]

It's a really dumb story: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toledo_War

[weak nymph]

But why is that war Wisconsin's fault?

Or was it not a state yet?

[waxen glade]

Wisconsin wasn't a state yet, no. Michigan wasn't even a state yet until after the events of the Toledo War.
The Wisconsin territory was created after Michigan became a state from leftover land not allocated to Michigan out of the Michigan Territory, which was just sort of everything left over that wasn't already a state (Ohio, Indiana, Illinois) in the then-northwest of the country

[devout sandal]

it's pretty much identical

[grim axle]

So basically the entire great lakes coast is Michigan.

WE WERE STOLEN FROM.

[waxen glade]

except Michigan territory was mostly formed out of Illinois territory when that was made a state, and then Indiana territory before that was a state, so really it was stolen from Indiana--literally Land of the Indians, so it's pretty much admitting it's stolen native land even.

[grim axle]

Ew, Indiana.

[jade inlet]

And now you are losing even more to Superior!

[fair osprey]

What did I miss lol

[weak nymph]

Wait, so Ameican states are steal-ceptions?

[jade inlet]

Yep. The land was stolen from the Native Americans by the French, then stolen by the British, then stolen by the Americans, then stolen by states from other states...

[weak nymph]

Christopher Nolan is going to be proud

[marble geode]

Honestly, it should be part of Ontario :v

[fair osprey]

The Americans didn’t steal it from the British. They won it via treaty lol.

[fair osprey]

Def not

[swift yacht]

not necessarily, you see them in marquette among other places

[swift yacht]

Nah

Mackinaw city has a population of abt 1K

• its in michigan, not superior

its mostly just a bunch of crappy hotels

[jade inlet]

I wouldn't call Marquette the eastern UP.

[swift yacht]

yeah its not

but he also said "they seem to be more of a down south thing"

[short hazel]

What’s a Michigan u-turn?

[short hazel]

That seem dangerous. Why not just turn at the light?

[dull vortex]

because that is even more dangerous due to increase chances of a car crash

note: the green and red paths go on different lights

so the two paths are never going at the same time

[short hazel]

Ah