Very Strange House in Minecraft That I Did NOT Build...

[clever path]

none of them work

[uncut sedge]

you don't actually need to download them to look at the metadata

[noble crag]

I think it would be useful

[clever path]

hmm

[noble crag]

part of the problem is neither Zappa's nor Dead's world is original. they're both modified in different ways

even the metadata is enough to tell what chunks specifically are foreign

as it stands now, we can make some good guesses, but we don't have a comprehensive method that always works

[clever path]

WAIT A MINUTE THEY SHOW CASE THE FILES IN THE WEBSITES ITSELF, HOL UP!!

damm i didnt see that

[lapis solar]

He definitely did update the game somehow, most likely just through the launcher

[noble crag]

yes

[clever path]

shi...

[uncut sedge]

i don't think he downloaded two cracks because if he did his original world data would have been overwritten

[clever path]

thn its not possible to find the actual gamw

[cobalt ore]

yeah also this theory kinda complicates stuff

[clever path]

because its done by an auto update launcher

[uncut sedge]

i think he used the autoupdating crack

[clever path]

dude there are many auto update launchers trust me

[noble crag]

even if it was updated in the launcher, the chunk files came from elsewhere

unless it was some bizarre cracked launcher, but I think it makes more sense that the chunks were in the original torrent

[clever path]

most of the torrents i have seen for the launchers, veiwing the files during that time they are not having extra data

that is an issue

[noble crag]

not necessarily

just because we can't find the specific torrent doesn't mean it didn't exist

in fact, it seems quite likely that it did exist, since three people corroborated it

[cobalt ore]

i really dont have any other ideas on how the world could have been corrupted

[uncut sedge]

the problem with this is that even at the time most cracks usualy hijacked the base games installer meaning that most of the game data was generated on first launch

[noble crag]

yeah. I think the most likely scenario is that the entire game folder was downloaded at once, including game files and an extra world

I don't see how a launcher would write those chunks

they had to have been there initially

[cobalt ore]

hmmm

[noble crag]

but it is weird that Zappa and Dead ended up with a different set of chunks

[clever path]

Which i didnt find in now 2 torrent websites

And during that time period

[cobalt ore]

just to make sure im on the right track. did zappa get his version from the same torrent? or do we not know about where he got it from ?

[uncut sedge]

i think the most likley is that dead didn't have the world data instead it was written in at a later point with ovewrite protection

[clever path]

But i did find out not many ppl made a crack for a minecraft version that time, which probably means there are few creators and at the right torrent website other thn demonoid

[clever path]

Good thinking but i think its confired he got it from demonoid

[noble crag]

we don't know for sure. what we do know is that Zappa's and Dead's world have certain chunks that did come from the same source world. it could have been multiple torrents with the same world

[cobalt ore]

but who and why would try to overwrite dead's world AND partially fail

[clever path]

That is practically impossible i think rgn

[noble crag]

I also tend to think they got it from the same torrent

but it's not something I can prove

[uncut sedge]

i think it was a cracked autoupdater with a bugfix to prevent it from accidently deleting peoples world

[clever path]

Question is, is that torrent file only in demonoid

[noble crag]

I don't know

[clever path]

As a mc veteran who used such autoupdaters that is uncommon in that era of minecraft

I probably think not

[cobalt ore]

its possible that multiple torrents received the same version from the same source but one of the operators of these torrents ( demonoid ) tried to delete the world file but he didnt completly delete it which is possible but it wouldnt make sense

[clever path]

I am finding so many torrents rn rgn, i dont see a torrent which has files out of the ordinary like another save file or a world

But who knows it could be on special thing

[uncut sedge]

this is also quite possible

[clever path]

Long shot but possible

[noble crag]

for sure. that's roughly similar to one of my proposed theories, which is that not all of the world's chunks were seeded

[cobalt ore]

REALLY long shot

[clever path]

What if there was a hidden msg in the game

Rgn are u sure that this is not an arg

[cobalt ore]

no i dont think it is

its 2010 the game just became popular

[uncut sedge]

maybe he did download two cracks but noticed that while moving the files it tried to overite his save folder and picked skip causing the world data to be written with overwrite protection

[clever path]

For some reason i feel like if we see this as an arg we might find some clues

Yet again a long shot but possible

[noble crag]

yes, I'm very sure it's not an ARG

[clever path]

What if we thought it was arg

[noble crag]

if you look, the video was actually released in 2010

[clever path]

Yea but what if we thought of it as an arg pov

Without a technical pov

Like finding a hidden msg within the vid, anything?

Something like that

[cobalt ore]

thats arg behavior

[noble crag]

I'm of the belief that the video is uncut minecraft alpha gameplay footage. I don't see anything that feels like editing/doctoring

[cobalt ore]

i dont think dead would hide a message in the video for seemingly no reason

[clever path]

Tru..

Damn this is like cracking an old case

[uncut sedge]

this is something testable so im gonna go test this

[clever path]

Please do

The amount of thought going into this is exhilarating tho

Btw i searched almost every torrent website i know

To my avail i couldnt find anything

Related to this scenario

[clever path]

All which have started before minecraft

Rgn do u have a way of contacting dead?

[cobalt ore]

i dont think he can contact the dead. to my knowledge he doent own an ouija board

yes i got what you meant its just im bored so i wanted to make a bad joke

[clever path]

[cobalt ore]

[clever path]

Bro casually hit a paranormal😂 joke

Bro if we solve this, mojang shld accept us into bug testers like srsly dude😂

Another theory, the cracked ver of minecraft came with a test world for its users

[cobalt ore]

possible but why wouldnt the world have more clarification that its a test world

[clever path]

Although in second thought its not possible

[cobalt ore]

yeah its weird

[clever path]

Why, because there is evidence that the test world is played in so it cant be a suggestion at this point

Who knows maybe dead himself will see rgns vid idk

[cobalt ore]

maybe.

[uncut sedge]

this does recreate the bug copying the files but chosing to skip instead of overwrite

[clever path]

Hmm

I see

[noble crag]

this makes sense. any chunks that already exist will stay

new chunks will be copied

[clever path]

So that proves that happens

And thats what happened

[noble crag]

no, it doesn't prove it

[cobalt ore]

hey thats a breakthrough right?
we now have one theory that sounds plausible

[noble crag]

but it shows that it's possible

[noble crag]

it has the same problems with the other theories in that it's possible, but not actually supported

[cobalt ore]

yeah

[noble crag]

but it's still progress to add another possibility to the list

[cobalt ore]

we need proof and support of it 🤷‍♂️

[clever path]

hmm... zappa's world in beta 1.3

and deads world in alpha 1.2.0_02

[uncut sedge]

or actually i had a better theory maybe the process occurred in reverse rather maybe dead downloaded the first crack made his world and played on it then after downloading the newer crack he copyed his world data over the original

[cobalt ore]

thats also a good idea of what *could have * happened

[clever path]

but he doesnt know thats a house he made

[uncut sedge]

the second crack would contain the world data and dead overwrote it with his save from the first

[clever path]

OHHH

[lapis solar]

That's a working theory, but we know that Dead installed even very small updates. I don't think he would to this without something that would update his Minecraft automatically or half-automatically, but we don't know for sure ofc

[clever path]

tru

its midnight here

ill take a sleep

good night everyone and good luck

[uncut sedge]

after testing the bug is actually pretty easy to accidentally trigger using this method

so to simplify this theory dead downloaded two cracks of minecraft on two diffrent versions he played on the first version for a while before switching the newer crack this crack being the same one zappa downloaded he then copyed his world over to the new crack causing the bug to ocur by overwriting the world data and causing the house to appear in his world

[uncut sedge]

i think this theory has the most evidence as we know dead updated his client between when he started the let's play and when he found the house and in testing this can be proven to cause the bug

[winged dome]

Ya’ll are super invested in this

Respect

[fluid grove]

ong ong

[winged dome]

Fr fr

[ornate escarp]

upgraded world?

[fluid grove]

i spent 4 hours one afternoon trying to find the save, but with no luck

everyone was cracking it back then tho

it wasn't anything special

[noble crag]

these are some the youtube comments on the Strange House video. Dead's comment seems to suggest that a world deletion glitch is the most likely culprit

the last comment on the list says that he actually did load into the world initially

[fluid grove]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Demonoid/comments/1k2zfaf/were_looking_for_a_very_specific_version_of/ we also made a request on r/demonoid asking if anyone knew anything about it

[ornate escarp]

i was just scrolling through this subreddit and found the post

[fluid grove]

I'm going to set up a virtual machine with the absolute minimal of resources and try to recreate the world deletion glitch

[polar mural]

thanks for another great video retro ❤️

[noble crag]

thank you!

[fluid grove]

yes ong

[fluid grove]

your videos are the only ARG ones I really like to watch, you have the perfect vibe with it (at times a bit creepy but never super scary)

a lot of ARG videos are too scary for me tbh (starthork, zachobuilds, zeemyth)

[silver marsh]

Nice Vid RGN!

[torpid condor]

BTW I think we should investigate Demonoid.

[static schooner]

ive done so before, mostly unseeded torrents on the archive pages, Even if it was posted there in 2010.

[grand birch]

Demonoid isn't that printing website

Pirate*

Sorry autocorrect

[static schooner]

good catch!

[static schooner]

yes

[grand birch]

I think I used it once

[maiden echo]

Hey y'all, just watched the new video and have my own theory, not sure how to prove it though. There's the possibility that whoever put the pirated version on Demonoid started getting complaints about there already being a world in the save file, so they deleted the level.dat file, just to find out from people that it didn't actually delete the chunks (This would've happened around the same time or after Zappa's download). In response to this (Sometime before Dead's download), they decided to attempt to delete the chunk files in which they had built anything (The only discrepancy here is why they didn't delete all the chunk files). Idk, just another theory. Maybe we can try to find who was uploading the pirated version and contact them?

[glacial idol]

finding the uploader is going to be futile due to demonoid having restarted like 5 times and people here have tried doing that since this thread was made. if its possible, itll be cool

[woeful acorn]

I also think that this is what happened, I was going to post the same theory.

Based on their videos it looks like they may have played multiple cracks. For each one of them they probably copy their world folder over to the new cracked version folder. During one of the copies Windows probably showed a message saying something like “files already exist, do you want to replace them?” and they pressed replace.

Here are the versions Deadsk1nmask played on and the videos they first appear in.

Alpha v1.1.0 - Welcome to my Minecraft home
Alpha v1.1.2 - Minecraft Cave Exploration Episode 1
Alpha v1.1.2_01 - Minecraft Pure Survival Episode 2 - The short one
Alpha v1.2.0_01 - Dead's Minecraft Nether Adventure Part 1
Alpha v1.2.0_02 - Very Strange House in Minecraft That I Did NOT Build…

As for what version the “Strange House” and its chunks likely come from are either Alpha v1.2.0_01 or Alpha v1.2.0_02 since these versions were closest to the discovery. The reason the world from the crack is older is probably because the uploader updated their game and the world was started in an older version.

It is also a small possibility that the world is from an Alpha v1.2.0 crack, but that is a lost version and Alpha v1.2.0_01 was released like an hour later, and there is also no video of Deadsk1nmask playing it.

I find it unlikely that it is from a crack for Alpha v1.1.2_01 or earlier because that is the version they played and recorded the most and likely explored the most.

[fluid grove]

The world is from a 1.0.17_04 - 1.1.0 crack, RGN has proven this

hang on

[fluid grove]

.

[woeful acorn]

I get that the world is older than Dead's but I accounted for that in my theory.
I said "The reason the world from the crack is older is probably because the uploader updated their game and the world was started in an older version."
I never said anything about it not being an older world. just that the uploader of the crack updated their game and uploaded it and their world.

[uncut sedge]

After doing some testing as far as im aware the save deletion glitch does not occur on 64bit systems at least i couldn't get it to trigger even with a vm that only had 1 core and 512mb of ram with a software renderer so im thinking it might only trigger on 32 bit systems I'll test it tomorow

[woeful acorn]

also one more small thing I noticed.
Back in these old versions, Spawn was always right around 0,0.
In the Zappa's copy of the save, the floating dirt path is leading to spawn. It being a safe path to take if they respawn. Deadsk1nmask did something similar at their spawn, with a sky rail leading to their base.

The person who made the crack world explored mostly north and Deadsk1nmask explored mostly to the east. As shown in this image: #1362612834814656542 message

If the theory I have is true, then it is actually very lucky that Deadsk1nmask did not explore anymore north before upgrading to the cracked version with the world, just a few more chunks north and the base would have been overwritten when Dead copied his world over.
There would still be parts of the cracked world in Dead's, but people would have assumed it to be a byproduct of an update, errors like that were very common at the time when it came to updating worlds.

[woeful acorn]

It is also a good thing that Dead updated like this. If he chose to overwrite his current installation with the crack containing the world then it would be a bit of a different outcome.

A: Overwrite and replace - The spawn of Dead’s world would be replaced with the spawn of the the Crack’s world.

B: Overwrite and don’t replace - This would introduce the World from the crack into Dead’s world the same way however, Dead’s game would not be properly updated if they did this. I think Dead would have known that it would not have updated their game if they did that.

[vernal nacelle]

I have conducted a experiment related to how the world's chunks were loaded into the new one... here's the isometric from the world which i cant share

[ornate escarp]

i risked it and searched online on other torrenting sites

the closest i could find was an alpha 1.0.17_04

but even if i wanted to try downloading it i couldnt because theres no seeders

i did NOT try downloading it*

i have a feeling that something will have to be pirated

[errant geode]

Cool

[clever path]

same here, u most probably found it on 1337x

[ornate escarp]

whys no one talking here lmao

[clever path]

hmm

[grand birch]

its late most of the smart peeps are asleep

[dawn otter]

Oh my fatter 😩

[ornate escarp]

i spent like 2 hours yesterday looking for any version that might have the world

nothing

[grand birch]

use a VM and use proton/avast please do not risk installing from untrusted things like that

[ornate escarp]

i never installed anything

or downloaded anyhting

[grand birch]

ah ok but still Please use safetly with stuff like that

[somber heath]

Ah yes, we got the car here

[crimson hollow]

i tried replicating it on an old laptop a while ago, couldn't get to happen

[crimson hollow]

yeah torrents are a lost cause in our case. none of them have been seeded in several years

[uncut sedge]

so i ended up doing some more testing and research so most alpha versions of minecraft were built for java 6 and considering the timing dead was using java 6 as well since java 7 wouldnt come out for another year put simply i think you would probably need to test on java 6 although i don't know if anyone has made a java 6 compatible launcher

i couldn't get it to work on 32 bit but i was using java 8

[crimson hollow]

btw i've talked about this before but since we have a lot of people coming in i'll mention it again: if any of you come across this specific torrent, it is not it. i found an exact reupload elsewhere and the world in it is different to the one we're looking for

https://btdig.com/d984defd3654631730326dd722dc4ed0d2de07d3/minecraft-1.0.17

[patent willow]

Hello! I'm new in the discord, had an idea about what could have caused the file corruption, but I don't know if it has been debunked

It could be disk fragmentation

And in consequence using defrag software could have caused problems with Minecraft save data

The other though that I had is that disk defrag only works on HDD's and if dead used an SSD it could also cause problems, I personally broke a windows installation bc I defraged an SSD

It's a huge long shot but I wanted to say it

[fluid grove]

i doubt dead used an SSD in 2011 but that is an interesting theory

[cobalt ore]

yeah

same. i dont really think SSDs were manufactured in a big volume at that time

[patent willow]

Still, if he had defraged his disk using an old OS or old software, something could've had happened

[ornate escarp]

around 2010 was when ssds started becoming more popular tho

[somber heath]

W video

What now?

[lunar wren]

as in plurality?

[glacial idol]

thats probably what the person is speculating but its disrespectful to speculate abt someone's mental health like that esp when they can read these messages

so lets please drop it for now

[clever path]

Huh?

[fluid grove]

Havae we reached out to omniarchive?

[cobalt ore]

yeah i dont think that the me myself and i theory is plausible

[noble crag]

Trying to speculate about someone’s mental state is not the correct approach to this mystery

We should instead focus on the facts available

I’m going to try and get my research document into a useable state for others to see

It’s much more comprehensive than my video

[umbral raven]

Wait I can add to this discussion

Not gonna ping RGN because that’s rude but

I’ve got to the third part of the video where it talks about how the level.dat file would have to disappear randomly and I can confidently say that actually happens in alpha Minecraft and quite frequently too

I have no idea what factors into it but it happens more under certain computer specifications / operating systems

[umbral raven]

This quite literally happens like at least once a week for me I got it on camera at one point

And yeah chunks can actually randomly disappear some times too I’ve had my world have that happen

Have no idea how to replicate it but at one point I was playing alpha Minecraft and my world file was just gone outta nowhere, I click on it, it generated an entirely new world over the existing chunks that were unmodified (only the modified ones stayed)

[umbral raven]

Here’s the clip of when it happened to me (not actual windows 7, just a replica)

I think the way to get this to happen is:

• Start the game
• Enter a world extremely fast (like, I’m talking within a few frames of the game launching)
• Game can’t read the session.lock file (whatever that means)
• level.dat soils itself

This happens on vanilla too

[knotty owl]

Hey everybody, since there's a lot of new faces to the search I decided to do a video that summarizes everything we know about it so far.
This is (I think) all the info I and my discord have gathered throughout the months after my video on the topic.
I uploaded it on my 2nd channel, cause it's literally just listing information lol.
If you have any questions drop them in the comments!!!
https://youtu.be/u5ITC3s9Cps

[static schooner]

You know, I thought of something dumb

What if Dead just overwrote the World1 folder in a newly download version with his own world that he had been playing prior? That being, he downloaded the version that PiratedHouse was in, but that was a after he was already playing his own world in an older version from elsewhere.

So what he could have done was dragged his folder over it, hit "replace all" when Windows promtped, and that's why he has his own world's chunks and ungenerated chunks in the corresponding part of the world became the PirateWorld

This could explain why we seemingly cannot find it on Demonoid, Dead got his original install from Demonoid, then he got the pirated install elsewhere

And then he just overwrote his save into the pirated install folder

Thus, the piratedversion might not even be from demonoid, his original ver was

[knotty owl]

It's an interesting theory, but he loaded into the strange house world first, he didn't have a world before that

I talk about it in the video, but it 99% was a very weird corruption glitch + messy world deletion

[static schooner]

Ohhh, that's fair. If we assume that he remembered the order properly, then yeah that's true. I did see that old YouTube comment of his

back to me watching the video

[static schooner]

Great video, good point about those youtube comments. I have a stupid idea that may not matter, but may matter. I wonder if I start googling the names of the chunk files from my Alpha backport of the beta world Zappa provided, if I could somehow find a listing of it on a torrent site? (One with file previews)

It's a stretch, but another approach to take of the search

[upper scaffold]

thats a really good idea actually

[static schooner]

The problem would be if my backporting (via the McRegion mod's jar) produced differently named chunks, and thus inaccuracy?

[knotty owl]

That's a fantastic idea Ghosty

[knotty owl]

It's a worth a shot still

You could either find nothing or the version with the save you know lol

[static schooner]

Well, apparently the chunk names are the same on every save... Because some rando at the University of Wisconsin's minecraft world popped up.

[upper scaffold]

wonder if theres a way to exclude searches containing certain phrases, maybe we could eliminate the chunks surrounding the ones from the save?

[static schooner]

hmmm

You know, it would be very funny if the University of Wisconsin had something like this

are those zips... pirated minecraft?

[keen cosmos]

can you send the address for that?

I want to archive and poke around this tomorrow

[ancient wraith]

Interesting video. It's a shame that the one deadskin comment got neglected

[noble crag]

Yeah I did a whole thing where I downloaded every comment on that video, and yet I still missed it somehow

[ancient wraith]

Unfortunate

[noble crag]

Chunk file names are deterministic, and they’re based on the chunk location

That’s the whole reason multiple worlds can be smashed together

Although this does make me wonder what happens if the chunk position NBT doesn’t match the expected file path

[noble crag]

I will watch this

[noble crag]

now that I think about it more, there could be a way this would work

if we did a LastUpdate correlation analysis between Dead's and Zappa's world to find which chunks have the exact same LastUpdate, these would be chunks that we KNOW were from the original pirated save

(since they share that specific piece of information)

then what you might be able to do is look up that specific combination of chunks

the main problem with this is that there would be a lot of chunks. plus, any large worlds would have those chunks anyways

so maybe this wouldn't work as well as I thought

[static schooner]

https://pages.cs.wisc.edu/~jschaef/

Nothing pirated is here lol

just some guy's server world and other worlds

[ancient wraith]

Regarding the next step, the best thing IMO is to just keep getting the word out. Yes, this will take a miracle to happen, but that is what exactly happened to the copeland stream. Who knows, maybe that same swedish person, who had the copeland stream archived, also has a cracked version of 1.0.17_01 that has Zappa's world

[noble crag]

another thing that might work is if I could find a way to search for files by their hashes

if we take a hash of one of the chunks we know is pirated (such as 10/1n/c.-s.-5.dat) and get the MD5 or SHA or whatever, then search for that

I assume any torrent would have the files' hashes built into it

[static schooner]

CRC-32 is FE4946AF
MD5 is fe3370f7dabd9cc59edc402129ec045e
SHA1 is 26a29aa008be9870ec12e228f3d8c5bf97ab5858
SHA256 is 164b0abbbcf16f0d84f5db8959487b1a49bb54d79e77a5df6375f180ce8ba83e

we could try searching for any of these on a whim

just the most common hash names

[noble crag]

I checked MD5 and SHA256 and couldn't find any of them

although I just did a straight google search. I'm not sure if there's a better way

[static schooner]

archived torrents file preview if it has hashes, maybe

ope, so the bad news is that I'm now realizing that the ".me" version of Demonoid is post-Dead and the ".com" verison is pre-dead.

and of course, the .com is banned from archive.org

That's why we're kinda having issues.

[noble crag]

yeah, I'm thinking Shimmering is right on this one

the best chance is to hope someone happens to have another piece of evidence

[ancient wraith]

Get this topic to blameitonjorge or someone else who has a large community in the lost media community.

[static schooner]

I found a demonoid proxy from pre-2011

[glacial idol]

LSuperSonicQ does more frequent videos with a variety of lost medias. maybe thats a better route than blameitonjorge who uploads when he wants to abt whatever topics interest him

im a big fan of lost media 😅

[umbral sigil]

I've known about this video since 2012 and only came to a conclusion it was a pirated save about maybe around 2020 but as you said in the video if he had walked another direction straight away he would have found it quite fast as those chunks was always in that save file and will still appear when downgrading to Alpha 1.12_01 despite multiple theories that the chunk error was a result of the halloween update....going further to the north of the strange house you will come across the real Alpha 1.2 new chunks

in zappas post he mentioned about how in his version there was no chunk errors at all which means he has the original pirated save from demonoid

i have some feeling that dead may have had at least two pirated versions of minecraft on his computer.....one being alpha 1.1.0 and the other unknown but earlier and on the older version it had that save file with the strange house and when he installed the newer version i assume it corrupted and chunks of the pirated save file were merged into the new world he created...so what i mean is i'd imagine he saw the world 1 in the pirated save of an earlier copy but never went on the world and focused on alpha 1.1.0 pirated version where he made that world with his own base....so yeah..while updating the pirated version i believe its possible some error occurred

Pirated chunks were Alpha 1.0 and deads chunks were Alpha 1.1 i think so would make sense

World with the strange house was made between August 20 - September 2

[clever path]

i see

[umbral sigil]

I find it very hard to believe theres not another video showcasing the pirated save somewhere on youtube...whether containing any links or not...it could be in russian or some other language

and posted between august and september 2010

Thanks to whoever let me send images

idk if this is just a coincidence but these two spots are in both saves and look similar

maybe it's nothing useful though

[ornate escarp]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KqnlO3iRkhY

uh

it has a world1 save in the .minecraft folder

but i think the link is dead

yep

link is dead

even on the wayback machine the only snapshot is dead

i dont really think its possible to do it unless someone has it

like what happened with alpha 1.1.1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33pjgAUjshc heres another video from around the same time but link is dead aswell

all of them taken down for dmca

theres so many knockoffs and playthroughs of alpha 1.0.16 versions

[spring veldt]

this is not an arg

[ancient wraith]

The red block was actually the sun

[unkempt current]

the red skybox during sunset/sunrise, which was blocked due to leaves of a tree

[upper scaffold]

unfortunately, this version is too new for it to be the correct pirated build

[umbral raven]

Maybe the cracker released new releases

Also you can get level.dat to delete itself by opening a world in the first few frames the game is open

[static schooner]

So, that's just a typical chunk boundary, right. It's not really indicative of anything. The one on the right just denotes an ungenerated chunk to the right

I've flown around on Zappa's world and it's because he updated it into Beta, Beta-terrain generates over there since it's an unloaded chunk. The world itself was meant to be played in Alpha

If you play the Alpha downgrade I made in the proper version and go over there, it'll just generate as intended by the original seed for the piratedWorld

[ancient wraith]

Quick question. Are there any cracked mc jars (before b1.3) out there that people may have ALLEGEDLY played that have a world already included? If so, I wonder if it would be possible to try to replicate the world that is similar to the deadmask world with the world corruption and what not. If it's something that happenes with these versions, then it might be a plausible explanation to what happened to deadmask's.

[static schooner]

You can do what happened to Dead by just replacing the level.dat in a world and generating a new one. All ungenerated chunks will be from the new seed from the new level.dat, all generated chunks will still be there

also it's not the .jar does this. It's implied that a whole .minecraft folder was being shared

minecraft saves are not stored in the .jar

[static schooner]

btw, what method are you using to know that this is a piratedWorld chunk? Just curious

[static schooner]

So what's weird is that I have several different attempts of me trying to extract the world back into alpha, right. @noble crag

Every one of the c.-6.-r.dat files (a chunk I exported from an old version of MCEdit) is a different file size. Depending on the version...

I think that the hash would be useless, because the file size is so variable, it seems like there's no way of telling which would be the "true file size" of each chunk file.

Since Zappa gave us a beta conversion of an alpha world, that's not the untouched chunk files

I forgot that we have the chunks from Dead, so I extracted one (c.-9.-s.dat) and will try using that now

[umbral sigil]

I think there must be at least some other video or even a few on youtube uploaded by someone in 2010 that has footage of the pirated save and then theres a chance that video could contain useful information but as i said it could be in another language and the chances of finding it are very slim. I don't believe that only two people must have downloaded the pirated save.

Whether a tour of the base or a video claiming to have the pirated version in the description there must be something somewhere

someone once had some weird theory that the pirated save was a test world that was created by a mojang employee such as notch himself but that sounds quite implausible

[umbral sigil]

Yeah thats the most likely theory i've heard. Dead most likely had more than one pirated instance of minecraft on his computer. It makes more sense to me that he started his own world first as the pirated save has a spawn point that has a dirt path that leads to the strange base, he would have noticed all that and wouldn't have to just walk to the north.

[static schooner]

Nah my theory is useless now, it’s confirmed that dead loaded up the pirate world, it bugged, he deleted it, and it wasn’t deleted properly

His own words years ago proves this

[umbral sigil]

Ah fair enough, i mean thats possible if when dead loaded it he was at spawn near where the dirt path begun. Zappa claimed on the forum the spawn of the pirated save was at the base itself but it's not which was just a mistake

[static schooner]

That’s not a mistake possibly

How else would you know?

The beta world Zappa gave us has a bed, he had to have placed it himself since beds didn’t exist in alpha, which the pirated build was.

There’s also snow everywhere, it’s not the unaltered map

[umbral sigil]

If dead spawned at the strange base he would have noticed it but of course he didn't although theres a chance it bugged before he ever got to load the pirated world

[static schooner]

He was in the ground

He didn’t see anything

[static schooner]

Watch this video

[umbral sigil]

Ah yeah that one i was gonna watch thanks

Retrogaming believes the pirated world was created September 2nd 2010
as the chunks have that date registered to them on the NBT editor and that would probably be Alpha 1.17_04 if i'm not mistaken

August 23 was the release of that version. I highly recommend that people look for Alpha 1.17_04 as a priority

The possibility that the pirated house was created in Alpha 1.1.0 has basically been eliminated as the chunks existed on September 2nd and Alpha 1.1.0 came out on September 10th

Can anyone confirm that the chunks are Alpha 1.0 and not Alpha 1.1 of the strange house?
I'm 95% sure it's a Alpha 1.17_04 crack.

Speaking about the Clay stuff that @knotty owl mentioned...theres literally clay in deads save near the cliff (for some reason dead never once mined it)

[ancient wraith]

Troney was refering to Zappa's world, not Deads

But that is an interesting observation

[umbral sigil]

He said that clay was rarer before Alpha 1.1 and that appears to be true because that guy had everything but clay in his chests

although the crack could be any version of Alpha 10.17 i believe 04 was the most popular one

[static schooner]

I guarantee you it generated because Dead was playing a better clay version by the time he got to the cliff

I may be wrong

[ancient wraith]

his first video was in a.1.1.0, so it's likely

[umbral sigil]

Alpha was glitchy as hell and basically anything could happen. Once i was playing a while ago and the game crashed and then when i reloaded it about an hours work of building was gone

A lot of times when creating a new world (probably 1 in 5) the game itself will crash

As for the spawning in the void though like what happened to dead it's not happened to me yet

[static schooner]

Troney's new video on his second channel, the one I replied to and pinged you for, has it on video lol

Happened to him

Unrelated reasons, though

[noble crag]

I’ll catch up on messages later today. Sorry, I’ve been traveling so I don’t have as much free time

[umbral sigil]

https://www.minecraftforum.net/forums/archive/alpha/alpha-survival-single-player/807328-here-you-go-have-my-save-file i'm trying to see if anyone ever uploaded it

[quasi ridge]

Hi, I actually have a theory about the latest vid RGN made: I believe that this (cut-off) world that Deadskinmask found belonged to Zappa. I think Zapp cracked this version of Minecraft and probably still had parts of this world in his save files of this pirated version. Why else would Zappa have this world, coordinates, and screenshots after 14 years? To me, as I said, the whole thing sounds like a huge chunk error that comes from Zappa's world, which is probably (in parts) in this cracked Minecraft version that belongs to him. What do you think about it?
Btw. They are some extra informations not mentioned in the video that I found at a German YouTuber iBlali. He posted the vid 5 Months ago

[static schooner]

Why else would Zappa have this world, coordinates, and screenshots after 14 years?
If he just kept the save by transferring it to a newer PC, but didn't have the pirated version. Just for like, preservation's sake.

We don't have proof that he has the pirated version, also I haven't seen a Zappa-like username post any of the torrents that have been considered. So I don't think he made the torrent.

[quasi ridge]

I think that he obv. Didn't use his name for the torrents but I mean the world is 14 Years old. Maybe the transfer thing could be right but why even have the screenshots. If it would be just a normal world he never ever would have been keeping them for this long time?

[static schooner]

why even have the screenshots

You mean the Minecraft forums thread screenshots? That was 14 years ago

He probably preserved the world because, “that was weird. I’m keeping it though.”

I’d do the same if I was him

I’ve archived random Minecraft worlds I’ve found online for similar reasons

[quasi ridge]

But why would he keep the screenshots. He sent the original screenshots to the YouTuber that contacted him. And why else would specifically his world clash into the world from Deadskinmask?

[static schooner]

Those aren’t the same screenshots, they’re screenshots he took now to show he still had the world. The Minecraft forums screenshots were hosted on Photobucket. They are different, presumably.

And it’s not Zappa’s world, it didn’t come from him, it’s just that he happened to download the same torrent that Dead did

Another guy in the Minecraft Forums thread said the exact same thing

Dead had a bug where he loaded onto the pirated build’s world1, he spawned inside the ground. He prolly went “huh, broken world” and so then he deleted it. We have documented evidence that Dead did so, because he said it like 14 years ago in a YouTube comment

That bug caused the world1 deletion to mess up, some of the chunk files remained, and the level.dat was changed with a new one. Hence a new seed with some remaining chunks from the old world1

Zappa had the unaltered world, he updated it into beta for some reason (now technically altered due to updating), and then he gave it to Troney

[quasi ridge]

Why would Zappa have the full unaltered world if it isn't his world? His world wasn't broken or smth like that?

And why was Zappa the only one who could correctly classify the error in the Minecraft forum back then. At least one other person would have had this torrent if this had been a relatively well-known torrent.

[static schooner]

It’s not unaltered. He updated it at some point

[static schooner]

I just said he wasn’t lol

As I said, another guy found it

There’s more info that you are not aware of, no offense

[quasi ridge]

Who?

[static schooner]

https://youtu.be/u5ITC3s9Cps

Please watch this updated video

From Troney

It goes over it

AntiqueChrono is the user who also claims it’s a pirated version’s included save

[fluid grove]

could we find antiquechrono?

there's a steam profile with that name

[static schooner]

I was thinking of searching online

But I hadn’t started yet

[upper scaffold]

here is why he had the world after 14 years

[knotty owl]

Antiquechrono has a reddit, pinterest, github - i messaged him in july of last year, but got no response

They are pretty active on the reddit still

and it was made in nov. 2010, so the timeline matches up

[fluid grove]

Have you tried reddit?

[knotty owl]

. i did in july of last year

didn't get a response

They were active a few days ago

It's very easy to find them, there's like 5 sites with account with the name antiquechrono and they all seem to match up

[fluid grove]

Should we try again?

I'd be happy to

just tell me what to say

[knotty owl]

We could

I'll message them and write a shorter message this time

They probably got scared off by the wall of text I sent them lol

[fluid grove]

maybe omniarchive?

Also we should try and look for IRC archives, since I'm sure that was what was used on demonoid back then

also ayy 1400 msgs

large ARG

or non-ARG rather

[noble crag]

Should I make a short clarification video to mention the things I missed?

Or does it make more sense to wait and see if there’s an actual breakthrough

[ancient wraith]

Make a pinned comment first with the troneysauce video

[noble crag]

It is pinned

[ancient wraith]

No I mean on the YouTube video

[umbral sigil]

Most likely the pirated save won't be found

It would be nice if it was but then again i don't see it being that much different to zappas version as the spawn point had nothing

[noble crag]

I can do that. Then what I’ll do is clean up my research doc, make it accessible, and then do a short little clarification video for completion’s sake

There was a good chunk of stuff I researched but didn’t mention at all in my video (to keep the flow), but a clarification video can at least tell others that it exists

And then of course me missing the YouTube comment where Dead said what happened (despite me specifically attempting to analyze the YouTube comments)

[umbral sigil]

That being said, the way you looked at all the chunks and found out the dates they was last registered was very interesting and i'd like to see more videos containing bizarre information about the save because i do find it quite fascinating...especially the fact that in deads save the chunks was cut off just near where the strange house was because if it didn't include those 4 chunks lets say he would never have seen it

[ancient wraith]

Bet

[noble crag]

https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1LC4py8CuXIwmNkqp_XVXt_h3-buAT23R6FnU4lyWxTM/edit?usp=sharing

[umbral sigil]

Deads world can be loaded in Alpha 1.0.17_04

Actually that could be Zappas world but someone downgraded it and all the pirated chunks and strange house remained

[ancient hollow]

Arrest the pirates!

[fluid grove]

🤣

[uncut plover]

Is it possible that Dead's world has data corruption? I mean It's a pirated Version of Minecraft it could also be the reason On Chunk error On Dead's video "very strange house in Minecraft that I did not build" (Sorry for my grammar)

[near mist]

What if u combine dead's world and zappa and try to find a connection with it because I saw a pattern with it idk if it's a lead?

Wait someone said that the red block was the sun but it wasn't sunrise yet so it could be still caused by a bug or entity

And idk if it is a clue lol but u use the gaps on the ladder it might make some number on each ladder count

Idk if I saw wrong

And maybe there might be something hidden beneath the chests

Maybe some code?

And what if the far far away base Zappa said might not have been saved so it might been a glitch but I don't believe so yet so it might be under ground or in the sky maybe ask Zappa himself

And What If there was other parts

[frosty willow]

Interesting

What if the number of items could mean anything (in the double chests)

[zealous swallow]

Hmm... i think the sun was already there even though it wasn't sunrise yet

[zealous swallow]

This isn't an arg though

Why would there be something like this?

[zealous swallow]

And how would it be useful?

[near mist]

Isn't it a arg?

[zinc solar]

Can you put the save on here so I can look at this silly house

And the coords for deaths base

[zinc solar]

Umm why is null path here

[keen cosmos]

no

[zinc solar]

Null path is an arg

Lol

[zealous swallow]

Nope

This is a real thing

[zealous swallow]

Wdym?

We're talking about a strange house, not null path

[near mist]

I was very fond of him

And it's a government agency

[static schooner]

The pirated build of Minecraft + the worlds provided by Zappa and DeadSk1nMask are not ARGs.

It's a mystery that's like 14 years old

[noble crag]

I've tried everything I can think of...I can't even manage to replicate the falling through the world glitch a single time

Here is my thinking:

https://youtu.be/u5ITC3s9Cps&t=967

The way the glitch is seen is the following

• The player loads into an existing world, with existing chunks and an existing level.dat

• The player spawns below y=0 and finds themselves frozen.

• "Saving Level" flashes sporadically

• The player has visibility of surrounding chunks: they do not find themselves inside of a wall

• The player can save and quit normally

• Upon rejoining, the player spawns as normally. Chunks load normally. The game appears as expected

My initial thought was that this glitch has something to do with accessing the chunk files. Thus, I ran several experiments in a sandboxed environment, where I could directly control Minecraft's ability to access certain files.

I created a new world in Alpha v1.1.0, then saved and exited this world. Using NBTEdit, I opened level.dat to determine the player's spawn location. I then calculated the appropriate chunk file: we'll call it "6/3/c.6.3.dat" as an example

• Experiment 1: Deleting 6/3/c.6.3.dat.
  • Result: We load into the game normally. Nothing is amiss.
  • Interpretation: Minecraft identifies that a chunk is missing, and immediately regenerates it. It does not care that the player spawns in that chunkmar

• Experiment 2: Making the entire world folder read-only (except level.dat and session.lock).
  • Result: The world loads normally. The player can play the game normally, including breaking and placing blocks. The game appears to save normally. However, upon reloading the game, all world changes are reverted
  • Interpretation: The game cannot actually save the chunks, but this does not cause a crash

[near mist]

I can't think lol

Also retrogamingnow if u scroll up and find my extremely long thing maybe there might be some clues if u haven't seen it yet

[noble crag]

• Experiment 3: Make the entire world folder read only (except level.dat and session.lock), AND make 6/3/c.6.3.dat CLOSED (preventing Minecraft from accessing it at all)
  • Result: World shows as 0.0MB. We spawn in a wall where new chunks generate. Leaving and rejoining, we are still on new chunks
  • Interpretation: Minecraft clearly has some confusion, as new chunks are generated using a different seed

[near mist]

Can u try seeing if there is a connection I would love to see if there is

[noble crag]

• Experiment 4: Modify 6/3/c.6.3.dat such that Blocks, Data, SkyLight, BlockLight arrays are zeroed out, but the same size. World files remain read-only.
  • Result: The world has new chunks, apparently of a different seed. There are two seeds mashed together. The c.6.3.dat chunk is empty, but we fall through bedrock as normal. We don't see the spectator-like issue

What I thought was going to be the case was that if certain chunk files are locked when Minecraft attempts to access them, then we see the glitch. It would also explain why Delete World failed to delete all chunks

And yes, that is partially true:

• Experiment 5: Lock certain world files (read-only). Click Delete World. Start new world in same slot.
  • Result: Game creates a new world, but locked chunks remain

• Interpretation: The Delete World function doesn't check to ensure that the world is deleted, and continues even if Minecraft cannot delete certain files

But this alone is not enough to explain falling through the world

So the question is this:

Are the falling through the world glitch and delete world failure glitch related? Or did Dead happen to get two independent glitches back to back?

My gut tells me they're related. But examples of this falling through the world glitch are rare. Here are the only ones I can find:

• Dead's mention of it in his YouTube comment
• This guy from September 2010, although it was on a server: https://www.minecraftforum.net/forums/archive/legacy-support/1732443-new-alpha-server
• Troney's single instance, as described in the video above

ah....

https://minecraft.wiki/w/Java_Edition_Alpha#/media/File:Alpha_spawn_bug.png

is this it?

it's gotta be related, right?

ok

I've replicated it

This is what I did (it may not be the only way - I'll keep experimenting)

• Create a new world on a1.1.0
• Save and exit
• Lock all world files. CLOSE (or delete) level.dat (file not visible to the game)
• Join World 1 (will show up as empty)
• Immediately switch focus to another window
• Player will be at y=0, and we can watch the chunks load in

the difference is that clicking back to game jumps us back to the surface

if you try it with a brand new world, the chunks don't load at all

If you try it with chunks that exist but are not locked, it doesn't happen

If you try it with a read-only level.dat, we see the chunks load in but the player is where they should have been

I think this is it

Here's what has to happen:

1. There must be preexisting chunk files in the World N folder
2. level.dat must exist in World N. level.dat must be locked or read-only
3. The player must join World N and immediately switch focus elsewhere
4. The world will load with the game paused. The player will be at y=0 and can see through walls. We can watch chunks load in one by one.
5. When the player chooses "Back to Game," they'll teleport up to the surface to the place where they should be as defined by level.dat
6. The game can continue as normal.

ah, but I've identified another, SECOND bug that's different!

If **everything **in World N is read-only, then sometimes the game will load in, but the chunk with the player will be missing entirely

This has gotta be it

I think this is what happened to Dead

[noble crag]

Interesting stuff starts here. The rest is me doing the rubber duck strategy

[noble crag]

TLDR: I think I've replicated what happened to dead

[noble crag]

this is slightly wrong. I'm working on understanding it better. But I can replicate it

[somber heath]

Retro my studious dude 🙏

[noble crag]

not me trying to compensate for my embarrassing mistake in my last video 😭

[fluid grove]

New video when?

[noble crag]

Probably about a week

[fluid grove]

Can't waiiittt!!! (yes I turned off reply ping)

[somber heath]

Dude I was so scared when I forgot to turn that off for retro

[fluid grove]

[zinc solar]

Dude how does that emoji even exist

Amogus trap remix playing

[crimson hollow]

i've been inactive here for a bit, what did i miss?

[jovial fern]

Hello, I have a theory as too why certain chunks of Zappa's minecraft world didn't load in Dead's world. In a Minecraft world, if you update the game, the chunks from a previous version are still there, but any new chunks that are loaded are the new update, I believe that, if Zappa and Dead were playing on the same version pre-update for Zappa, the update for the new chunks isn't registered in Dead's older world, causing the chunks to corrupt and generate new, older chunks in their place. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I feel I'm at least half right.

[noble crag]

Ok, here's where I'm at with this

I have been able to replicate Dead's glitch exactly in situations were certain world files are read-only

This includes him joining World1, falling into the world, and seemingly deleting World1 (while actually having some chunk files that failed to delete)

It turns out that these are two separate glitches that both have the same underlying source: files that are locked/read-only

Locked file situations can occur naturally - most commonly when two programs are trying to access the same file

There are two situations that I feel are the most plausible:

Situation 1: The files were being scanned by an antivirus, which set their share mode to FILE_SHARE_READ. I talked to Dead and he mentioned having Malwarebytes on his PC. Long story short, it appears as though MWB and other antimalware programs can make files read-only while they're being scanned

Situation 2: The torrent software was locking the files, either for seeding or some other reason. Dead mentioned using utorrent and qbittorrent. There are reports of both of these locking files after they've been downloaded

I can't know for sure which (if any) of these actually occurred, but what I do know is that a locked file situation replicates the glitch

[marsh eagle]

i think this one makes more sense

malwarebytes may of detected some world files as corrupted/viruses and decided to lock them down

i personally only use windows defender though

[fluid grove]

Will the video be released soon?

[noble crag]

I don’t know how soon since I’m leaving for a trip today, but I recorded the script this morning

[fluid grove]

Yay!

Have a good trip!

[fluid grove]

was MB around back then?

[marsh eagle]

not sure if it was MB

couldve been something similar

[noble crag]

Yes

I talked to dead and he specifically mentioned that he had it

[vapid tide]

Yeah also this happend with me

When i was playing minecraft alpha 1.2.6 in eaglecraft

But there's a problem

When you leave the game the file size grow up

And happen new error chunk

Here some photos

[umbral sigil]

Anyone know any software i can use to look up alpha or beta minecraft seeds?

I only know of chunkbase for newer versions

i was hoping there would be something for beta 1.7.3 so i could find where spawners are

[boreal idol]

https://www.planetminecraft.com/project/oldest-minecraft-alpha-world/

[fluid grove]

video soon?

[noble crag]

uhh

hehe

the script is still recorded and I haven't made progress

I'll try and do a work day tomorrow and get a little closer

[noble crag]

ok I'm editing it now

[vapid tide]

yes please

or make another video

[fluid grove]

yayyyyy

[crimson hollow]

yeah, i can see this happening

[fluid grove]

release soon?

[cold charm]

it alreadt released boi

[zealous swallow]

He's asking about the second video

[cold charm]

🤦‍♂️

my fault gang

[noble crag]

I’m deep in the procrastination spiral, where I’ve waited so long that I feel bad which makes me not want to work on it which makes it get delayed even more

It wouldn’t even take me that long to finish. I could do it in two solid days

But I’m fighting a mental battle haha

I really need to get some editing help

[fluid grove]

only editing? COUGH Is there anything we can do?

[fluid grove]

Very relatable

[umbral sigil]

Please upload the second vid

[keen cosmos]

Rule 8, please don’t ping retro

[noble crag]

no, they're right

I'm gonna get it done

I'm working on it all today

[fluid grove]

YAYYY

(i avoided pinging him dw)

[vapid tide]

https://tenor.com/bWQWp.gif

[fluid grove]

any day now...

[noble crag]

yes

[umbral sigil]

Idk if anyone agrees but considering that the other version of this pirated save from the deadsk1nmask version just has a dirt bridge that leads to NOTHING then it's more pointless to attempt to find it

It would be nice but it's not like theres anything else to find.

[noble crag]

rough draft is complete

I expect it will be uploaded tomorrow, or the next day at the latest

[ancient wraith]

Did it get the troney seal of approval?

[noble crag]

I haven't sent it to him

I mean rough draft in a, uh, somewhat loose sense

I believe it's watchable straight through but I don't know yet since it is still rendering

[noble crag]

Seal acquired

[noble crag]

The video will be released today

[fluid grove]

YAY!

[vapid tide]

Omg

Yaaaayyyy!!!!!

https://tenor.com/cieSrDkeFhs.gif

[noble crag]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2pj_zCGwP4

[warm spoke]

didnt someone already do this

[noble crag]

yes, this builds upon the work of others

their work is cited in the video

[warm spoke]

okay, thats good

sorry, should've watched first

[ancient wraith]

Very assertive with the title til the very end lol

[crimson hollow]

nice.

i'm thinking of installing a version of malwarebytes from 2010 in a vm just to see if i can replicate the world deletion bug that way

[ancient wraith]

Just finished it. Great video

So assuming that it was Malwarebytes that made the files read only, does it randomly go through the files, or prioritize the bigger files?

[ornate laurel]

hey i saw that video about that minecraft base that they didnt build or whatever, and i'd like to mention that there actually is a fairly reproducable "delete world" bug like that, and i also actually maybe hd world splicing bug happen to me back in minecraft beta / early release

basically if a file from your world is open in another program, and your running windows based OS, early builds of minecraft wont delete them; but they also wont give an error or crash or antrhing itll just skip right over those files and remove everything else as if nothing happened

ive tested this recently and it happens like 100% of the time;

my current theroy is that their torrent client was just seeding the files to other people trying to download it, but that part i cant really confirm that well? and could honestly just as easily have been antivirus, or some other random thing,

and our own experience which happened in beta or maybe a newer early release version, where a world just disappeared, so we made a new world with the same name, and then all the chubk data appeared again,

i also for some reason think the original world was in survival then the new one was in creative; this was before it was possible to change game modes after the world was created, that might be why i remmeber it? who knows. was a long time ago and my memory sucks;

personally AV seems unlikely to me because minecraft worlds are not executable, but like idk also i tested the file being open in another process thing like the first time i heard about this, which was awhile ago, i even streamed me messing with it and trying to find what version exactly that it happens in

[ornate laurel]

xS i just saw the new video and wew ok ig we found to the same things xS

[near mist]

𝔸𝕟𝕕 𝕒𝕤 𝕒 𝕤𝕒𝕟𝕕𝕓𝕠𝕩 𝕦 𝕔𝕒𝕟 𝕡𝕝𝕒𝕪 𝕨𝕚𝕥𝕙 𝕚𝕥 𝕠𝕦𝕥𝕤𝕚𝕕𝕖 𝕨𝕙𝕪 𝕕𝕠𝕟'𝕥 𝕦 𝕥𝕖𝕤𝕥 𝕚𝕥 𝕠𝕦𝕥𝕤𝕚𝕕𝕖 𝕥𝕙𝕖 𝕤𝕒𝕟𝕕𝕓𝕠𝕩(𝕚𝕕𝕜 𝕛𝕦𝕤𝕥 𝕥𝕙𝕠𝕦𝕘𝕙𝕥 𝕒𝕓𝕥 𝕚𝕥)

[ornate laurel]

thats kind of what i did since i didnt think to use a sandbox software at all

i just opened chunk files in a hex editor so theyd be "in use"

[near mist]

𝕆𝕙 𝕠𝕜𝕒𝕪

𝕐𝕖𝕒𝕙 𝕔𝕦𝕫 𝕀 𝕥𝕙𝕠𝕦𝕘𝕙𝕥 𝕣𝕖𝕒𝕝𝕝𝕪 𝕙𝕒𝕣𝕕 𝕨𝕙𝕒𝕥 𝕦 𝕔𝕒𝕟 𝕕𝕠 𝕨𝕚𝕥𝕙 𝕒 𝕤𝕒𝕟𝕕𝕓𝕠𝕩. 𝕊𝕠 𝕕𝕚𝕕 𝕦 𝕗𝕚𝕟𝕕 𝕒𝕟𝕪𝕥𝕙𝕚𝕟𝕘 𝕥𝕙𝕒𝕥 𝕘𝕚𝕧𝕖𝕤 𝕤𝕠𝕞𝕖 𝕔𝕝𝕦𝕖𝕤 𝕠𝕣 𝕟𝕠?

[ornate laurel]

i came to mostly the same conclusion thst they deleted the world some files were in use by some software, so it didnt actually remove all of it but level.dat was missing

this was all before the first video on it even came out tho

i thought the culprit could was likely seeding the torrent, rather than antivirus, but both are possible

hm also wonder if i could find that minecraft torrent by scanning the DHT .. ..

its kinda uncommon for cracked minecraft to include all the game files let alone a world

usually it was just a launcher that didnt require a password, also how did they play multiplayer w a pirate copy? you generally cant do that unless your also playing on an pirate server ... which i guess is possible, though yeah game doesnt cache chunks from multiplayer there also not even in the same format iirc

[cold trench]

I think that the boot leg version has the files on Dead and Zappa’s copy. Zappa generated some more chunks of the same seed while Dead generated some more chunks of a different seed. Maybe checking the date of the files would help or maybe this is just a possible explanation for what had happened but there’s no solid proof.

[ornate laurel]

no

theres a bridge made of dirt and it extends further in zappas save

[cold trench]

Oh yea

Bye

[echo oyster]

Hello! Maybe lack of RAM might help trigger this bug? Back in the day PCs were not as powerfull as now. If other program would be in focus than MC might struggle with too little memory.

Either this or old, slow hard drive

let's be honest, today even week computers are much faster than most of PCs than

and hardware is more reliable

maybe Pentium integrated graphics instead of GPU

[ornate laurel]

i kind of doubt it, but i could try loading the game with lower memory allocated to it, because java lets you do that

[echo oyster]

Idk, it's just my guess

[ornate laurel]

pfft the game doesnt even start

[echo oyster]

;-;

[ornate laurel]

oh it does it just takes ages

deleted the world and its still just removed completely ..

didn't they have windows 7 though? pretty sure that wouldnt even run on 128mb ram, that would have to be like windows xp or whatever

windows 7 minimum requirements:

    a 1 GHz or faster processor
    1 GB (32-bit OS) or 2 GB (64-bit OS) of RAM,
    16 GB (32-bit) or 20 GB (64-bit) available disk space
    a DirectX 9 graphics device with WDDM 1.0 or higher driver.

xS yeah

and idk its also just kind of just not the sort of thing ram effects much, i mean i guess it means the game could run out of memory while deleting, or maybe since its a recursive operation low memory could cause StackOverflowException, and crash the game, but dead never said the game crashed either

[spare stream]

I can confirm torrent lock being possible

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/308554864571449354/1388906680011722802/2025-06-29_17-24-29.mp4

oh it doesnt embed

a bummer

[noble crag]

Yes that’s awesome, I think this is the same was what I came up with

[ancient wraith]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/308554864571449354/1388906680011722802/2025-06-29_17-24-29.mp4?ex=6862afa5&is=68615e25&hm=897aca9a0e554b47951a7cfe3484747b265a09a79086a47f723e842a279023c9&

[spare stream]

ayy thanks

[ornate laurel]

like from seeding? that was my guess ..

[ornate laurel]

yeah, pretty much yeah

[spare stream]

yes, that's what i wanted to test

and it's a success

[ornate laurel]

ive even ran into it before when downloading stuff just randomly locked files, it makes sense because its like sharing certain parts of it to other ppl downloading

[sterile geode]

I don’t know if this helps now but I had a similar glitch to the world falling glitch but a couple years later. I should note that unlike what was documented in the video this involved falling through the world itself and dying in the void. Back around 2013/2014 I had gotten my first laptop. It was a Dell Latitude from around 2006 or 2007 and had been dragged up to Windows 8 albeit it was incredibly slow. On this laptop I had Minecraft but I didn't have the full version. Instead I would play on a free trial world that you got 100 days in. The bug would occasionally happen when I would load into a world and my computer would experience extreme lag. I would spawn in but there would be no blocks in the chunk under me and some of the ones around me. I would then fall sometimes into the void and die while other times the chunks would fill in and I would get trapped in the blocks. It stopped after I got a better laptop and the only time I have seen it since is in bedrock glitch videos.

[ornate laurel]

was it ever verified the one that was in the video was the one that actually happened

because yeah there are alot of 'falling through the map' bugs

[noble crag]

there's no way to verify for sure

[spare stream]

Minecraft started using internal server for single player with 1.3, anything related to servers does not apply here.
Player spawns at 0,0,0 by default. By unfocusing the window, game loop pauses right after it starts, but chunk generator happily does its job like always

[ebon flint]

👍

[raw schooner]

Really cool seeing this culminate in a proof of concept recreation; great work

[fluid grove]

Agreed

👏 🫡

[noble crag]

I'm kind of shocked I managed to get it

It was the perfect combination of the right line of guessing as well as stumbling across the key evidence right when I needed it

[zinc solar]

hi

[flint cradle]

ok, so i was bored and i went to play alpha v1.2.2 and i got the same bug as in the video

[vapid tide]

https://tenor.com/bLbpS.gif

Josh after he found the bug

[flint cradle]

Bruh, first of wasnt that, just sayin

Second of i dpnt remember making that world neither playing while the antivirus checked the files

[rare eagle]

do people have a link to ZomBuster's cartograph

i cant find it on the minecraft forums

trying to search that post in the video seems really hard

[oblique whale]

i dont think he built the house

[fluid grove]

this has been confirmed yes

[oblique whale]

chicken wings

[rare eagle]

and i replicated it on purpose

https://youtu.be/tmRrASfN1UA

[ancient wraith]

Ah, so these bugs are actually reproducible.

That means that some of these hypothesis are sound.

[flint cradle]

mine wasn't on pupose, i was just checking out the old versions, and i loaded a new second world and it just happend.

[flint cradle]

if there is a tutorial for it, then yes

[rare eagle]

That's the program that RGN used to figure out what happened to Dead's World

[rare eagle]

Sound??

Anyway I think this is how Dead ended up where we was

[ancient wraith]

I mean valid

[rare eagle]

Yes

[opal portal]

Just watched the final video and joined in because I wanted to share this—since RGN didn’t seem to think about it (or at least didn’t mention it in the video). I think he would’ve had an easier time reproducing the "World Falling Glitch" if he had taken this into account (sorry in advance for the long message):

Another simpler way the "World Falling Glitch" happens is one I’ve experienced a lot back then with my OLD computer: Having a too SLOW CPU and/or not much system RAM (not RAM for MC but the PC itself), which allows the game to launch and try loading the world, but since the system is under heavy load, the game loads the player in but isn't able to load the chunks quick enough, so the player just starts literally falling until the chunks can be loaded. I can still reproduce this exact behavior on my crappy laptop in any version before 1.10.2. In combination with the (possible slow CPU and/or low amount of system RAM on "Dead's" PC back then) with his antivirus potentially trying to scan the new downloaded files (most antivirus software were REALLY resource intense back then), which locked them/put them in read-only, leading up to all this.

sorry again :(

[vapid tide]

https://tenor.com/sppirRbmZqN.gif

[gloomy raven]

The World Falling Glitch usually happens in Aternos. It sometimes occur when you joined in a multi player server, and then when you loaded, you're Falling endlessly at the void, sometimes it kicks you and says that i got kicked out because of the poor connection i had even though it's clearly working fine. When you try to join the server again, it sometimes loads normally and sometimes the world Falling Glitch happens (or this thing is similar with the world falling glitch)

[spare stream]

it's just client not receiving nearby chunks on time, can't say it's a glitch

as for the error, it's either timeout or java.net.SocketException connection reset

[zinc solar]

😆

[zinc solar]

What is Java net socket exepton time out blah blah Yada Yada?????

[spare stream]

what even is this response

[fluid grove]

when data doesn't come through the netsocket in time and the request times out

[noble crag]

ah, that's a good catch

[vapid tide]

https://tenor.com/bItJt.gif

[zinc solar]

Okayyyyyyy and what's a netsocket

And what data

And what request

[fluid grove]

netsocket is a pipeline that is used to send data from the server to the client, the data is the minecraft world + entities etc

[fluid grove]

the request is from the client to the server letting it know that the client is waiting for the info for the game

[ornate laurel]

this is pre 1.3; this predates the whole singleplayer being a internal server thing;
im not sure socketexception like this would be possible here, like in this case the "falling through the world" issue here cannot be due to client server desync,
also note back then the game would not "snap" you back onto the world once it caught up, if you fell through unloaded chunks you actually moved downwards, because there was no internal server, so the game did not validating movements past what the client rendered like it does now, atleast not on singleplayer,

it would have to be due to either rendering bug (like what rgn showed) where camera position doesnt match player position, or maybe being unable to load chunk data in time, (as gameluc suggested)

[spare stream]

I know, i was just explaining what happened on aternos 👍

[spare stream]

.

[distant brook]

weird strict dad I did not survive

[midnight crow]

Feeling the code of old is sentient

[rapid axle]

Hi, I have a fairly substantial lead that I believe explains the "World Falling Glitch" that went completely unspoken about in the two videos

The video assumes that the "world falling glitch" is that single frame where you appear to be at the bottom of a world, before you're teleported upward. However, its not even certain that Dead had their game out of focus, and even if, just clicking resume would fix it, it doesnt seem like thaaat big of a "wtf is this" kind of thing, just a visual bug in an alpha version of the game.
What if, instead, he really did fall through the world? You see, the way torrents work, they place a "fake file" in the place where you're downloading to, tell the system how large it's supposed to be, and they slowly fill it up over time with data. The investigation plays around with read-only and locked files, but how about empty, half-empty, fake files? I generated a world in Alpha 1.1.2_01, saved it, and then opened level.dat in a Hex editor. Depending on which portions I zeroed out, it reported a fake size, the game did not recognize the world, a new world generated clashing with the old chunks in a mish-mash pattern... and if i got the right numbers, I would actually fall through the world, sometimes repeatedly so. I got the whole process recorded, so I can show it if wanted.

Basically, because of the way torrents worked, Dead got a half-incomplete level.dat file. It showed up in the world selector and he could play it, but when loading in, it dumped him in the void and killed him, maybe even repeatedly so.

[rapid axle]

only real problem with this theory is that torrents get downloaded in chunks, and i seldom see chunks smaller than 256kb, whereas a level.dat file is not even half a kilobyte, so it would most likely get downloaded all in one go, not partially like the idea requires

[spare stream]

Too many ifs, it could be he saw being at Y=0 and assumed something is wonky with the save. Also corrupt level.dat would probably crash the game or cause undefined behaviour since NBT data is incomplete

I dont remember if we know which torrent client Dead used, but it was probably utorrent, so we would need to confirm how it treats downloaded files

As for torrenting the world, i confirmed one thing, about locking files so that minecraft's world deletion would not touch seeded chunks

[midnight crow]

Files within the game and see what you see

[spare stream]

?

[midnight crow]

If there was a file means someone put it there but if it was loaded a new world and that was build for a reason then I have no clue

[ornate laurel]

iirc minecraft handles invalid chunks somewhat gracefully usually just re-generating the chunk entirely if its invalid though im sure this could have some issues if a chunk is 'valid enough' ..

minecraft alpha and beta were also way more prone to level.dat corrupting, something i have discovered while trying to run a server for these versions >_<

and as @spare stream says if that happens the game just crashes when loading the world uh

[spare stream]

yeah, due to nbt data in level.dat being malformed

although small corruptions, byte wide, could be possible and still be valid, but possibility is next to none

[ornate laurel]

don't remember; is this before or after mcregion

[spare stream]

level.dat has no compression at all up to today afaik

so no matter the level format

you could corrupt stuff in the data held in nbt, but not nbt metadata itself

[ornate laurel]

heh? i was pretty sure level.dat became zlilb compressed at some point

yeah,

[spare stream]

okay my memory was wrong lol

also, that's gzip

so corruption is even more unlikely

[vivid trench]

that was a very interesting one

[merry kernel]

i was just watching the video, and i was thinking why they had the same few chunks but didnt have the same world throughout. i think dead and zappa's worlds are different because the original world file was loaded in then distributed. that could explain the house and the difference in chunks between each world. crazy idea?

[spare stream]

chunks are individual files, files got locked by torrent software, deleting a world would not remove locked files

locked files persisted and were treated by minecraft as generated already, so they got reused

[radiant beacon]

Has anyone tried recreating this using the 2 worlds in a sandbox? Just curious

[spare stream]

recreating what?

if you mean old chunks being in new worlds, i did so with qbittorrent

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/308554864571449354/1388906680011722802/2025-06-29_17-24-29.mp4?ex=693c3725&is=693ae5a5&hm=6bfb16a9889272e97948d717c797ccdd120e336edf12cbf15454d7eb3184de78&

[fluid grove]

Oh nice

[signal grove]

guys i have a theory, what is zappa actually created the pirated world hence why RGN found discrepancies between deads and zappas world

I meant what if*

https://tenor.com/view/hi-dog-gif-9693408977083628631

[frank warren]

That was my thinking. I've always thought that Zappa was the one who uploaded the pirated copy that Deadskin played.

[signal grove]

Real

I feel like Zappa seems to open

Like he is really willing to give info

[frank warren]

Yet like he's not telling the whole story.

[signal grove]

Yeah

Like that's why it hasn't been solved fully

[radiant beacon]

perfect thanks, just whatr i was wondering.

[cedar anvil]

Hi all, I just wanted to come in here with some theories. So I think retro & troney's videos more or less covered everything, but I did want to note some stuff. While I don't know how dead spawned in the void, I do think it has something to do with his anti-virus going through the new files (also I think he tabbed out of minecraft to check on the anti-virus & that's why he spawned in the void). I also don't think that the pirated version was made on 02-09-10 rather that's the date that dead downloaded the files. The tickrate is the same because it's a copy of the original files. The date changed because dead modified them by opening the world in minecraft. If I'm wrong, feel free to correct me.

OK kwasior's recreation vid basically confirms my theory lol