Where did the villagers come from?

[steep nexus]

Im thinking mutants from some sort of apocalyptic event

[serene bay]

The ancient humans did not evolve into endermen

The humans are still around

Ok how was the ender dragon built to fight the wither

[serene bay]

However, there is a set lore that mojang has in mind. How did you come to the conclusion you have now?

[brittle burrow]

How did you get the idea of the ender dragon being built to fight against the wither? And why do you say it as if it's fact?

[serene bay]

Why?

[serene bay]

@frigid anchor

[brittle burrow]

you didnt answer the first question

For the actual answer to your question: Villagers are villagers. That's it.

[serene bay]

That also is not the case

[strange harness]

Do you mean built as in physically or with magic?

[serene bay]

Probably Magically, but again that really isn’t the case

[strange harness]

This feels heavily inspired by MatPat ngl.

As for the og question: Villager is Villager.

[molten olive]

villagers are the ones that built all the structures in the overworld

[strange harness]

Villager supremacy!!

[molten olive]

lets go over some thing

1: the wither has never been in the overworld or end, only the nether

[strange harness]

Ehhh

There's that painting so...

[molten olive]

not lore

[strange harness]

Oh, and the Red Chiseled Sandstone motif.

[molten olive]

only made by the player

not found in game

[strange harness]

Ok...

[molten olive]

same with the death compass and respawn anchor

[strange harness]

Tbf I honestly don't think there's enough to really say where it was? Most likely the Nether and ef. not the End. OW is a maybe.

[molten olive]

you hear the death sound of the wither in the nether a lot

[strange harness]

Do you?

Hrmm.. iirc my thought was the Wither drove the Humans out of the Nether. Unsure if it was defeated.

[molten olive]

matpat said that but i dont think thats right

AT ALL

[strange harness]

I know I thought the Wither Skellies were a Nether specific tribe.

So Humans interacted with the Wither in Nether somehow.

[molten olive]

h ttps://minecraft.wiki/w/Nether_Wastes

remove the space

look at Nether Wastes Addition 3

[strange harness]

Oki

[molten olive]

theres also Soulsand Valley With 1

with being short for wither

[strange harness]

Hmmm... I think they are just general breathy sounds.

[molten olive]

really? it sound just like the wither

[strange harness]

Yeah... just similar.

Not really. lol

Or well I was using the death sound.

SSV With 1 is quite close tho.

[molten olive]

there's more evidence to prove that the wither has only been in the nether then the wither killing everyone in the overworld

[strange harness]

Ok... go on.

[molten olive]

wither skeletons and the sounds in the nether\no wither skeletons, sounds, roses, and holes from skulls hitting things. also no the wither did not invade the ancient city by tunneling threw the stone.

[strange harness]

Last bit yes.

But the roses bit... you only get those from mobs killed by the Wither no?

[molten olive]

correct and if the wither was in the overworld then you would find them

but you dont

[strange harness]

You don't find them anywhere...

[molten olive]

because the wither was never in the overworld

see what i mean

[strange harness]

But you don't find them in the Nether either. lol

[molten olive]

true and you don't find nether stars. but its still better then in the overworld

[strange harness]

Ok...

[brittle burrow]

@frigid anchor

[serene bay]

Nope

[serene bay]

Nope

[serene bay]

All of those still exist in the world through dungeons and earth, so nope.

[serene bay]

Yes, that is the wither death sound

[serene bay]

Nope

Dungeons literally disproves over half of what you have said

1. We find corrupted beacons in the overworld in Dungeons, inplying multiple withers have been killed there.
2. Desert Temples are not villager constructed, Bastions are not villager constructed, ruined portals are not villager constructed, nether fortresses are not villager constructed.

[brittle burrow]

then shouldnt head-canon be in the tags?

[molten olive]

"Bastions are not villager constructed, ruined portals are not villager constructed, nether fortresses are not villager constructed." i never said they built this. obviously they were the bastions and portals was built by piglins

im saying overworld ones are

like the ancient city

[molten olive]

i corrected it

[molten olive]

earth is dead and is not cannon to the games like story mode

[serene bay]

Wrong

[molten olive]

also storymode is a player only server. meaning all the people we see are just players

[serene bay]

Wrong

[molten olive]

dude explain

[serene bay]

We find a human skull

[molten olive]

stop saying WRONG

[serene bay]

Wrong

[molten olive]

those are skeletons

[serene bay]

Yeah, and it is a human skeleton

[molten olive]

prove it

[serene bay]

We know what villager skeletons look like

[serene bay]

Burden of proof fallacy

[serene bay]

It is a human skeleton anyhow

It has human features such as a regularly shaped skull

[molten olive]

like in the fairytale that's told by a villager

[serene bay]

*legend. And yes

[molten olive]

then were did the skeletons come from

[serene bay]

Dead humans

[molten olive]

WRONG

prove it

[serene bay]

Use your brain

[molten olive]

give me proof or im done talking to you

[serene bay]

Me when human skeletons come from dead humans

[molten olive]

i am

[serene bay]

Like dude, you don’t need the strongest evidence for something that is simply logical to assume

Like christ, who would have thought a dead human produces a skeleton eventually

[molten olive]

did skeletons come from dead humans or are just things that spawn from nothingness

[molten olive]

stop being rude

[serene bay]

They come from dead humans

[molten olive]

prove humans exist in minecraft

[serene bay]

Play dungeons

[molten olive]

i cant with you

[serene bay]

Boom

Human

Canon one too

[molten olive]

players

[serene bay]

It isn’t

As shown through the book ROTAI, that is an actual human

[molten olive]

player

[serene bay]

Nope

[molten olive]

HUMAN CHARACTERS ARE HUMAN BEINGS

Steve and Alex are placeholders for players, and there are no other human characters in Minecraft. Only human beings (the

players) may look like humans

There are a few exceptions: in Minecraft: Education Edition we added more villager skins to help with tutorial NPCs, and in Minecraft: Story Mode, the concept is that all characters are

‘players on a server

[serene bay]

This is game design for Vanilla Minecraft

[molten olive]

boom

[molten olive]

and?

[serene bay]

It does not apply to dungeons because it isn’t vanilla

It also isn’t spewing lore there

That is just a guideline for Vanilla devs

The only lore in that book is an anecdote at the end about Endermen

[molten olive]

then who are the ancient builders

players or villagers

because if there human then they are players

[serene bay]

They are four distinct groups

[night wave]

they could be something other than players or villagers

[serene bay]

Piglin, Human, Villager, Illager

[molten olive]

prove it

[molten olive]

Piglin, player, Villager, Illager

[night wave]

?

[serene bay]

Players are seperate entities to Humans in lire

[night wave]

prove the only possible options are players or villagers

[serene bay]

Hell, players don’t exist in lore

There are only humans

Players are people who play the game

[molten olive]

like undertale

end poem

[serene bay]

Humans are a species of sentient, sapient mammals who exist in lore

[molten olive]

like players

[serene bay]

End poem is just some bullcrap that was added in 1.0

[molten olive]

and

[serene bay]

Players don’t exist in lore

[molten olive]

so was the endermen

[serene bay]

And eventually came to have lore

End poem has none

[molten olive]

how

[serene bay]

Mostly because it addresses you, the player

[molten olive]

like undertale

[serene bay]

And it is established that humans are seperate from thr players

[serene bay]

In vanilla, sure, I agree

The player does exist in lore, but not all humans exist as players

Human ≠ Player

[molten olive]

legends

[serene bay]

Player = Human

[molten olive]

you are literally brought back in time

[serene bay]

Legends is a massive exaggeration of a real event. The player was not there

[molten olive]

to save the world

[molten olive]

then what about the villager skeletons

would that be exaggeration

[serene bay]

A likely Villager-ification of the real events

It is more likely they were regular skeletons

[molten olive]

then dont say there villager skeletons

[serene bay]

Due to involvement with the Nameless Kingdom

[serene bay]

Yeah, because the regular skeletons don’t show up in Legends

[molten olive]

how

[serene bay]

By default they are just skeletons

[serene bay]

We never see them

[molten olive]

the ones we see in legends are the same ones in vanilla. the villagers put noses on all the skeletons to make it more relatable to them

[serene bay]

Yeah, I agree

[molten olive]

then were did normal skeletons come from

[serene bay]

But as stated before, it is still likely accurate to villagrr biology

[serene bay]

Dead humans

[molten olive]

then were are the alive humans

[serene bay]

Not on the main continent in large quantities

But still around as shown through Minecraft Earth

[molten olive]

how do you know that there not just monsters that spawn and didn't have a alive correspondence

[serene bay]

That’s a game mechanic, not actual lore

[molten olive]

spawners are a big thing for the trial chambers

[serene bay]

And we theorize that spawners may not actually spawn things

[molten olive]

what

[serene bay]

They may actually serve as teleporters

[molten olive]

what

[serene bay]

Yeah, teleport mobs that they want

[molten olive]

were is the evidence for that

[serene bay]

It is a hypothesis we have

And we aren’t exactly sure if that is the case

[molten olive]

ok

minecraft is a game like undertale. there is a developing world and us the players are going into this world to do what ever we want. we are the only things that can respawn. we can make recovery compasses and respawn anchors. we find the anchor in minecraft earth because that's a game about players making builds so players can have those blocks. the end poem is telling the player to do things outside of mincraft.

[serene bay]

Yeah, but the end poem doesn’t exist in lire

However, all the blocks and items stated do

Since we have a case of someone else respawning

Maybe

The Nameless One

[molten olive]

like what

[serene bay]

Necromancer King

[molten olive]

who

nevermind

[molten olive]

im reding the lore and dont see anything about respawning

[serene bay]

He dies in dungeons arcade

Which is canon

And then the dude shows up again

[molten olive]

were

[serene bay]

His level?

[molten olive]

so replaying the level

or appearing in the level 2 times

[serene bay]

No

He dies in dungeons arcade

Like I said which is canon

And yet he shows back up in regular dungeons

[molten olive]

is arcade really cannon?

[serene bay]

Yes

[molten olive]

even if he can respawn i think its more because he is the kind of the undead and used magic to be immortal. i have never played arcade

not from a respawn anchor

[serene bay]

Still canon

[brittle burrow]

this jerk is a character who is a human and isn't a playable character

[brittle burrow]

the jungle abomination, wretched wraith, and the ancient guradian are all shown dying in arcade

[molten olive]

could be the same case as storymods. just another cannon player that's not important

[brittle burrow]

though this quote does imply that the nameless one can "respawn"

[molten olive]

or that hes undead and the dead dont die because there dead

[brittle burrow]

if im not mistaken, "players" dont exist in story mode either, bc they arent playing anything and are actually in the world

[molten olive]

everyone in storymode is a player, just not the one your playing as

[brittle burrow]

why would they be called players then

[molten olive]

.

[molten olive]

because they are player

people like you and me

storymode is a server like high pixel

[brittle burrow]

.

[brittle burrow]

but people die

[molten olive]

hardmode

hardcore

whatever its called

[brittle burrow]

they get emotional about it

[molten olive]

its also a game

[brittle burrow]

youre literally adding to my point

[molten olive]

there players playing a game

the game is its own world like undertale

[brittle burrow]

then why do they act like its not a game

[molten olive]

its a roleplay server dude

Story Mode, the concept is that all characters are

‘players on a server

[brittle burrow]

you couldve said that from the start but okay

[molten olive]

i did

[molten olive]

.

[brittle burrow]

still doesnt mean anything for dungeons since story mode isnt part of the offical canon

[molten olive]

and? it still helps. were else are you going to see humans if there not players

you need to find a way to prove that humans and players are different and find were they are in the story

i think that the players/humans/us are cannon because we are brought back in time to save legends

question. do you see the player in legends and dungeons die?

i never played legends but i know that you use a totem of undying in dungeons

[brittle burrow]

also you could technecially see this as only applying to mobs or stuff thats seen in gameplay, since karl only appears in the opening cutscene and in the novel

[brittle burrow]

which was a made-up part of the legend

[molten olive]

prove it

[brittle burrow]

that doesnt mean theyre not the same thing in-lore

[brittle burrow]

thats like asking to prove why passive hostile mobs are part of the legend, its common sense

[serene bay]

Burden of proof fallacy

[molten olive]

not really.

[brittle burrow]

how

[molten olive]

you still need evidence

[serene bay]

Prove the player was transported back in time

You’re the one with a positive claim

[molten olive]

you see it in legends

you see the modern player get transported back in time

[brittle burrow]

anything in legends has a chance of being made-up

you said it yourself

[serene bay]

Of which is established to be a legend

Of which are famously known for making crap up

[molten olive]

then what is true in legends

sence you guys know

[brittle burrow]

piglin war to an extent, bc of ruined portals

[serene bay]

I have an entire chapter of a document on what is false

[brittle burrow]

this might help https:// docs.google.com/document/u/0/d/1rcpngMA0tKwQ0EfLtCerMBYplbuL0jmBO8oJzsbYcDA/mobilebasic

seperated to prevent auto delete

[molten olive]

i know

[strange harness]

Heck no.

[brittle burrow]

its probably based off Wifies' vid

but i dont remember him mentioning anything about the wither

[strange harness]

Huh.

[molten olive]

the ender Dagon exploding might be because of her being constantly healed by the end crystals

not growing up type stuff

[strange harness]

Also if you think the dragon resummoning is like... a thing in lore then your 'build dragon physically' thing is out the window.

[brittle burrow]

https:// youtu.be/Zr-9J5ZS7xA?si=AVbxfKrcCO2Pz-2_

[serene bay]

1. Piglin sizes as seen
2. The Fatelands
3. The Hosts
4. The friendly nature of the mobs
5. The creation of the moon
6. The overworld being peaceful
7. Speed Wheat, Bouncecaps, and Regeneration Stones
8. The Player being transported back in time
9. The well of fate as a place to cross dimensions and communicate with the hosts
10. The Firsts shaping and creating the overworld
11. The hosts making the firsts
12. The hosts making the power towers
13. The Great Hog (to an extent)
14. The lack of human forces

[brittle burrow]

what was this response to?

[brittle burrow]

why the great hog

[serene bay]

Don’t engage

It’s a headcanon

[brittle burrow]

yeah why are we doing this here

[serene bay]

Wait

[serene bay]

He is a pseudo-mythical being

[strange harness]

Oki

disappears from thread

[brittle burrow]

how do we know (respond in disscusion)

[serene bay]

We were told the great hog was born from the lava