#Alternative idea for the Piglins and the decay of their society

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lone orbit
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half ether
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Try again

lone orbit
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ill just reply to the message

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i think that the fall of the piglins weren’t because of the fall of the ancient builders, but instead because of withers
in a dev qna video i found on yt, a dev of mc states that the name bastion remnant is significant, as it’s actually the remains of a much larger bastion, which, when you think about it, makes sense, since the different bastions dont make much sense as a home individually, housing units, stables, a treature room and a bridge extending just 30 blocks out

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the developer mentions that nether fortresses are in a state of almost no decay whatsoever, while the bastions range from boxes with some holes and cracks, to having entire sections being demolished, almost as if something was withering away at such monoliths

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and what exists in the fortresses? wither skeletons, a mob that piglins are entirely hostile towards
and piglins interact with many other soul-related things in odd ways.
they also attack withers, which they seemingly are equipped for, crossbows for the first phase, swords and axes for the second phase
they also run away from soul fire, relatively harmless things when more dangerous things like lava can kill any piglin in seconds

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maybe the soul fire reminds them of a traumatic expirence with withers, maybe one, maybe many

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another thing i find interesting is that baby piglins don’t grow up, unlike every other non-undead mob, maybe a sort of long term withering effect stunts their growth, and maybe even stops reproduction, as the mobs in bastions do not respawn, unlike almost every other mob in the game

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im not entirely sure how the wither skeletons arose, but it seems like its unavoidable for groups of mobs to have just started existing

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but that parts kinda beyond the scope of my theory

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Alternative idea for the Piglins and the decay of their society

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^(typo)

river osprey
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I'm not sure if you're implying that the wither or the wither skeletons destroyed the bastions but you only mentioned the wither skeletons so I'm going to base my response off that. I think it is unlikely that the wither skeletons destroyed the bastions because we have no evidence of them destroying anything else. Also, I think it is possible that piglins act weirdly around soul-related things because they are not native to the nether, as proved by pigs turning into zombie piglins when struck by lightning.

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Another possible hole in this theory is that the nether fortresses are completely fine. We can assume the ABs built the fortresses due to the amount of overworld loot found in them. If this is true then it doesn't make sense for the nether fortresses to be spared from the withers. The nether fortresses would also have been abandoned a long time ago which raises the question on why they would be in a good condition while the bastions where piglins are currently living have not been repaired.

hexed cipher
candid drift
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I thought that was alrdy establishrd

viral owl
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i thing piglins are mutated pigs

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pigs are associated with greedyness

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so piglins are fond of gold

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when ancient builders found nether the also bought with them pig for food

candid drift
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No

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Minecraft Legends exists

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And in that

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The Piglins are a industrialized species, no magic, just gold, netheritr machinery, like blaze rod shooters and magma cannon, with colonial ambitions for the overworld

primal haven
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legends debunks this theory because in one cutscene the seer corrupts a beacon or in other words a nether star

river osprey
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Why is legends considered cannon to the main game but other spin offs aren't?

primal haven
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minecraft dungeons is also cannon

candid drift
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By canon, we mean the Minecraft Vanilla + Dungeons + Legends universr

river osprey
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also this post only has the base game tag so only base game evidence should be used

candid drift
river osprey
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@candid drift Can you explain why you think Dungeons/Legends is canon? Everything I'm seeing says that legends is an in game legend at best and totally not canon at worst. I can't find anywhere where the devs said the spin off were canon.

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There are just so many differences between the games. There are new mobs, people, and concepts. Even if we assume that a dev said the games were connected we need to check how much credibility that dev has (like how involved they were in the direction of the project and if they are even on both the base game and spin off teams).

candid drift
candid drift
candid drift
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Someone told me Jens confirmed Rise of The Arxh Illager is canon (as many others have been told), but I can't seem to find a quote

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RoTAI being the MCD book

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As well as we see many similarities between MCL and MCD, specifically with the antagonist being the Heart of Ender, the Orb of Dominance

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And most theorists I've ever encountered on this server and others consider MCD and MCL canon

river osprey
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That Marc guy exclusive works on the non-minecraft games, we have to take his word with a grain of salt since he has no control over the main game. i have no idea who the people in that second image are and the Jens quote would confirm your idea if we could actually find it. I also disagree that most people think those games are canon, the vast majority of articles written on those games say they aren’t canon and most people here will use spin offs to support their theory but they won’t base it entirely off of evidence from those games. i always think the base game should be the primary source and if something isn’t even referenced in it then it should not be considered evidence

candid drift
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Second image are from one of the Minecraft lives prob

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By most people i mean this server, and the other YouTuber theorist servers,

river osprey
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The Marc guy can answer all he wants but we don’t know his authority. There is an example in one of Retro’s videos about End Stone and how different developers stated different lore for it. This could be a similar case

candid drift
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I haven't seen any other theorist communities

candid drift
river osprey
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back on the topic of this thread tho

candid drift
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Ruined nether portals have been given an origin story

river osprey
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i was literally just typing that lmao

candid drift
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Such as golems

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Structures

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Heart Of Ender

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MCL really helps to fill in gaps in piglin lore

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As well as help tell us more about villager society and how they came outcast the witches

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About this rheory

river osprey
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it is helpful but until we have a solid statement or something major from a spin off being added to the base game idk if i’ll ever be full confidence that the spin offs are canon. i’m a base game purist and i feel like if the lore was important enough it would be in the base game

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the piglin aspects definitely seems to be true tho

candid drift
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The Piglins colonize da overworld

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It fail

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Wait a sec i just made a longer (unfinished) timeline for this, #1184718668983193681

half ether
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I dont think there is anything outright saying "Legends is canon" but there is a lot saying its a legend and its not all necessary true etc

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Dungeons has outright confirmation

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As well as a reference in 5

candid drift
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But I do think a piglin jnvasion did happen

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And piglin tribes similar to those of MCL did exist