Why are ender pearls and ender eyes greenish, but the eyes of the endermen purple?

[lofty crypt]

Maybe they are purple when they're still in an enderman's body. Or ender eyes/pearls are something completely different?

[rigid pine]

I don't think ender eyes/pearls are eyes. Endermen can drop up to four ender pearls and they clearly don't have four eyes.

They also aren't identified as eyes until you craft them with blaze rods.

[high spruce]

i tend to subscribe to the theory that they are actual pearls with how endermites live in them and that they shatter sometimes when thrown as eyes

[torpid hound]

The pearls I assumed to just be the source of their teleporting power, nothing to do with the actual species, really

[midnight path]

there's one theory that says that the natural colours of the end were green like the portal and enderpearls

and the rest of things that are purple are corrupted by the void like the enderman eyes the dragon and chorus fruit

it also makes a lot of sense considering the original colour of the enderman eyes were green

[solemn grove]

Second this

Probably they still are under the influence of the Ender dragon (even if the dragon died lol)

[midnight path]

pretty sure the dragon doesnt even dies, he (well, she ig) can still roar after disintegrating

[dusk fiber]

And the dragon can respawn if the player does a ritual correctly

[snow goblet]

They are probably purple in the body but when they leave the body they turn green due to decomposing just like the skin of zombies

[jade ether]

Endermen teleport as if they have Chorus Fruit in there body. they can teleport through blocks from a far and also at random.

unlike ender pearls were you need to be up against a block to go through it.

[torpid hound]

Chorus fruit only allows you to go short distances, and you can't control where. Unless the endermen have concentrated it, somehow

[jade ether]

Well when you have a giant mouth and the only thing to eat is chorus fruit I think they would be able to teleport like the chorus fruit. Also Enderman have purple particles floating into their body like a Nether Portal.

[dusk fiber]

Apparently it's the Endermen teleporting through another dimension, as the Endermen particles are the same as the nether portal particles. It's also how Endermites can spawn from Endermen teleporting but not players eating chorus fruit.

[jade ether]

Endermites dont spawn from endermen, they spawn from the player throwing a ender pearl.

Endermites might spawn by teleporting to the pearl or by the pearl. they have the same particles around them like endermen.

[astral citrus]

nope, because pearls that are naturally made by marine oysters and freshwater mussels as a natural defence against an irritant such as a parasite entering their shell or damage to their fragile body.

[torpid hound]

So? We have pearls, despite not creating them, why can't endermen?

They're ender pearls, so they aren't regular, water ones. They're made in the end

You know what has a shell and a soft body, and can also teleport? Shulkers

[pastel glen]

They don't though

[buoyant smelt]

There is not much proof to say it is an eye, after all, it can be crafted.

To me it looks like an ender pearl mixed with blaze powder

[buoyant smelt]

Even though, if an eye of ender is actually from an enderman, I believe the teleportation capability in an endermen powers the eyes to glow purple.

But an Eye of ender has extremely magical properties, it’s capable to make inter dimensional travel, that’s why I used the word teleportation. But for me, I wouldn’t say the endermen ripped out their own eyes, or eyes of their fallen comrades.

Using the endermen’s ender pearls, they explored the nether and discovered to make an even more advanced version of an ender pearl, instead of using it as teleportation, they thought they could use it to travel dimensions!

Also about the end portal…

The eyes of ender feel a sense of calling to the end portal

That’s why they lead the player to them.

But how RetroGamingNow says to make portals, you need heat, and hard material

There isn’t much actual heat in the end portal.

Yes of course it has Hard material.

But we don’t really see any evidence of heat being involved

Unless, blaze powder is extremely hot

As another fact, we don’t exactly see ender eyes in only the end portal, but the end chest.

This block, yet again used hard material, Obsidian!

You can see purple particles coming out of the end chest it’s so powerful (You can see the same particles in the nether portal leading me to believe purple particles have something to do with teleportation/dimensional travel)

The color of the obsidian on the ender chest makes me believe obsidian is also used on the end portal frames

Mojang has had all the most time to tweak the texture, yet they don’t, also I am still curious as to what the circle inside the ender chest is

Perhaps I could be wrong about how I think the end portal frame used obsidian, but it’s the closest option I can come to.

But if it is the case, it would also prove how the mob spawner is using obsidian. We can see these 2 purple dots in what appears to be a skull, making me believe this block has very similar properties in magic to the end portal frame, and ender chest.

It can also be broken way easier than regular obsidian because it’s in a cage, meaning the density is supposedly lower than regular obsidian.

I’ve been researching and theorizing this block far too long. I’ve even come as far as calling the cage Lapis Lazuli.

The block itself has been flying under the radar in the properties of minecraft magic, it’s now hard to ignore. Even Retro hasn’t said anything about it it’s so ignored.

I am gonna say this block either does two things. It either creates life itself by summoning (like the evoker summoning vexs) or it’s used to spawn mobs from place to place, using teleportation.

[buoyant smelt]

Pearls are usually found in real life mollusks. I believe that the pearls themselves come from the shulker, and they also sometimes possess parasites, that’s why endermen kill the endermites.

[high spruce]

exactly

[midnight path]

Theres lava right below the end portal

[buoyant smelt]

Yet, you can make the end portal without lava under it in creative mode.

[midnight path]

You arent supposed to do it in creative, remember that in survival you cannot break the end portal frames

[zenith marten]

Eyes of ender aren't actually the endermen's eyes though, they're a combination of ender pearls and... I can't remember what the other ingredient is, but you're not cutting an enderman's eye out and pocketing it.

[jade ether]

i think ender pearls come from endermites trying to eat some kind of mob that can make pearls like an oyster. the mob would make a pearl around the endermite like it was a parasite. the endermites power would turn the pearl into a enderpearl.

if endermen are oyster like and can make enderpearls by turning endermites into balls then sure, enderpearls come from endermen BUT there powers would come from there food because some endermen dont drop pearls

[torpid hound]

*Their powers come from their food, and not all chickens drop feathers. Does that mean the feathers come from their diet, or is it possible that not everything is dropped from one mob

[surreal walrus]

Given the color of the texture, it makes more sense that the cage is made out of a metal (likely iron), you are the first to ever thought about it could be made of obsidian

And if we use destroy it, it sounds like a metal, and even in creative, we can even heard metallic sounds when placed, not something like a rock

I still believe spawners are quite non-sensical (creating stuff out of nothing) but we gotta deal with that fact sadly

And I don't think the teleportation argument can be used, since we have mobs like blazes or the Breeze, mobs that can't be found naturally

[surreal walrus]

Do we really have to apply real life logic here? These mobs are quite different from anything we know IRL

Seems logical to assume the Endermen have the pearls inside their bodies, like an organ, that allows them to teleport (and I certainly don't believe in the "enderman civilization" theory)

[surreal walrus]

Using the looting enchantment as an argument is quite unreliable, considering we have stuff like chickens dropping More meat than they could

[buoyant smelt]

I disagree because the word Pearl is always found in mollusks, now I don’t know why but the endermen remind me of an octopus

[buoyant smelt]

Iron however is not black. I’ve looked into the block and I think the block itself has a low density rate making it sound like metal. Maybe it is mixed between some sort of metal and obsidian.

One thing that really messes with my theories is why a mob spawner is in front of the end portal spawning silver fish

[torpid hound]

What do you think they're made out of, then

They're charred, dirty iron

Theres fire particles to show it's heat

[buoyant smelt]

I know and that’s why I think it’s made of obsidian

Heat and hard material

[torpid hound]

It's dark grey. Obsidian is black and purple

[buoyant smelt]

Those two elements are mostly seen in portal technology

[buoyant smelt]

You can see a similarity

[torpid hound]

It's not called a mob teleporter, it's called a mob spawner

[buoyant smelt]

Then how are the mobs spawned?

You know, now that I think about it, the end portal already has heat

There are these grey particles that come out of it

[torpid hound]

How are they spawned normally

[buoyant smelt]

Maybe it’s possible the origin of the mob spawners were originally used as farms for both endermen and ancient builders. But the dungeons got corrupted and maybe even created the zombie virus, but that’s a big leap and not much evidence to back it up.

[buoyant smelt]

Answer my question first

[torpid hound]

I don't know how they're spawned, but they spawn everywhere, regardless of whether there's obsidian and heat nearby

[buoyant smelt]

Mobs spawn everywhere in the game, it’s a gameplay mechanic to make the game dangerous.

[torpid hound]

Same with mob spawners

[buoyant smelt]

I think it’s possible the endermen and ancient builders collaborated and shared technology with each other. This is why in mineshafts we see spawners, probably as a source of food for the builders mining and gathering material to make more spawners.

What I am saying is, the mob spawners could’ve well been farms.

Back in the ancient days of minecraft, before they spawned monsters, the block was used to summon pigs.

I would say there are far too many possibilities of what the mob spawner was used for

And what they are made out of, we will not know for sure because we can’t craft them

[torpid hound]

I think they look more like iron in colour, texture, etc. If they were put there by miners, they may have been mining iron to make more

[buoyant smelt]

I think it’s possible that the upcoming trial chambers are the lab of where they were made.

We can obviously see the trial chambers are left very clean, and the new spawners are black like obsidian as well. So it wouldn’t be dirty.

I think the mob spawner itself has the power to create artificial beings

[torpid hound]

Charred, then

[buoyant smelt]

It was took advantage of

Once I said that the mob spawner could’ve well been made out of blue lapis.

[torpid hound]

Lapis is much brighter

[buoyant smelt]

However, if you use the rib armor trim the lapis becomes a very similar color

[torpid hound]

If it was obsidian, they would have gone with a purplish tint, not a blue tint

[buoyant smelt]

You can still see little tiny bits of purple however

In the spawner

Especially the most recent one

Mojang has had 10 years to change the color of the original spawner, but nope, they’ve kept it.

[surreal walrus]

Sorry dude, but what kind of argument is "low density rate"?
Mojang always hints what a block is Made out of with sounds and stuff

And "black iron" does exist in MC, look at cauldrons or chains, they are made with iron but are black in color

And I would suggest comparing the colors of those with the spawner, if you are so inclined in using texture palette theory here

I understand you are trying to justify spawners with teleportation and stuff, but sadly Notch didn't really think much about these Sort of things back then

And well, if spawners were indeed using teleportation, we would see Nether portal particles in them

[surreal walrus]

And once again

[buoyant smelt]

It’s actually a fair argument since some blocks are harder to break

[buoyant smelt]

Those two things are real irl so their texture is to make them look as close to the original as possible

[buoyant smelt]

Well, the spawner was tweaked in texture to have different look, and it did weird things.

[buoyant smelt]

I understand that notch really didn’t think that much about the lore, more of just gameplay, but Mojang has seemed to build up on some of the features added a long time ago and tried to make them make sense in the physics of the game. Like portal technology.

Also the similarities are uninspiring to me to say these are the same

[surreal walrus]

I don't know what you mean with "it did weird things"

[buoyant smelt]

(technology that is bizarre and unseen in minecraft physics)

The chain does look more similar

But it lacks the blue tint and super dark purple

[surreal walrus]

Given that crafting items with white iron gives such a drastic change in color with chains and cauldrons, I shouldn't be surprised spawners also look like that

[buoyant smelt]

They are made like that way to make them look more detailed and more like the things you see in real life

Also I should mention when you break the mob spawner it drop’s experience

The enchanting table is crafted using obsidian

[surreal walrus]

Given the whole context of the spawner, dropping XP is more related to the mobs it spawns rather than because of obsidian

Its not like obsidian itself gives XP lol

[buoyant smelt]

More of the magic capabilities it holds

The end pillars are made of obsidian and are used to hold a crystal which heals the end dragon. (The end crystals also have heat). They heal the dragon and once they can’t and the dragon is defeated, it drops an insane amount of experience.

The mob spawner is similar in technology to the evoker using the totem of undying

[surreal walrus]

That depends if the obsidian itself is the one giving the end crystals power

[buoyant smelt]

The totem of undying contains a vast amount of experience and would most certainly be the place holder for summoning vex

[surreal walrus]

After all, in order to revive the Dragon, we need to place the crystals in the bedrock of the exit portal

[buoyant smelt]

Which is hard material yet again, summoning mechanics

That’s why I think the spawner is made of obsidian

But it’s easier to break because it’s a thin cage

[surreal walrus]

Are you still in favor that the spawner teleports mobs tho

[buoyant smelt]

I think it summons them like the summoning technology we see in the ender dragon or Evokers summoning vex

After all it would make more sense to summon them than to just teleport them

It’s a rare feature that has two elements, Gameplay, and lore.

It would also explain why we see so many undead beings

Because most of them aren’t even the original builders, but copies/clones created by the mob spawner which has the ability to create life itself.

Just like the ender dragon

And how you can summon it again

If there was a summoning pyramid, the mob spawner would be on it

That’s my summary for what I’ve said

And that’s how I will have my opinion since I figured it out on my own, but it isn’t bulletproof, no theory is.

Some will disagree but I’ve made many fair points and that’s all I can do you y’all.

That’s the end my of theory

A GAME THE-. No I like retro better ❤️ A deep dive (or something).

[surreal walrus]

That's good and all, but I have Yet to figure out we do we find it in places like dungeons or mineshafts

[buoyant smelt]

Simple, they were farms and then they were probably somehow corrupted?? But that’s too big of a leap

Back then they were after all just pig spawners, so I wouldn’t be surprised if their purpose was just for an unlimited source of food for miners deep down trying to get the best resources

But an explanation for the spawners in the nether is that they also were summoning a source of food, especially for the builders there to keep the fortress safe since it would be more costly and risky to travel from overworld to nether just to bring a little bit of food.

The spawners had accidentally however transformed to make a type of being transformed by the heat, like the pigs turning into piglins.

[torpid hound]

End pillars are only obsidian because they're blast resistant

[surreal walrus]

...pig spawners???

[torpid hound]

Because the default is a pig spawner

There's a pig in the middle

[astral citrus]

have u played minecraft legends???

[buoyant smelt]

Yep, there is no connection to it and the real game

Minecraft legends is just a legend

[surreal walrus]

It may be a legend, but has some truth to it, even if exaggerated

[surreal walrus]

That's a game mechanic tho

[astral citrus]

true but i personally dont think it was exaggerated, that is my opinion

[buoyant smelt]

Really, after all this talking I still haven’t gotten the spider role

[jade ether]

evolution

[torpid hound]

No it isn't. I'm pretty sure it's a bug, or there would just be nothing inside

[surreal walrus]

That's what I meant

[midnight path]

How do you explain the magma cube spawner, silverfish spawner and the secret spider spawner in the mansions?

I think the mansion spawner is the one that reveals the most lore for spawners

[zenith marten]

I've never seen a spawner in a mansion, but I've also only seen two mansions. Neither had a jail for allays either

[surreal walrus]

piglins have fire res potions, we don't find any brewing stands on their bastions, but maybe they do know how to make them? The other explanation for the magma cube spawner is that it works as protection for their treasures

The silverfish spawner in the stronghold is extremely weird, is like they want to destroy the structure or something, like, who in their right mind would use silverfishes (something that destroys stone structures) to guard a very rare kind of block? (the end portal)

[midnight path]

Maybe with cauldrons? Witches know how to make potions without brewing stands

[buoyant smelt]

I’ve never seen a magma cube spawner, or a spawner in a mansion

[midnight path]

They do generate

the spawner in the mansion is a secret room you cant access easily thats why

[buoyant smelt]

Oh I see

[surreal walrus]

depends on the type of bastion

[buoyant smelt]

Well blazes and magma cubes are very clearly somewhat connected

[midnight path]

I think the silverfish act as guardians of the place and try to push you to the lava

[buoyant smelt]

Good theory

[midnight path]

It also makes sense why silverfish only attacks players but not villagers, as its seen in MCD are the builders of the stronghold

[buoyant smelt]

You can craft magma cream using blaze powder and a slime ball, and magma cube drops magma cream.

[midnight path]

I dont think spawners were a source of food that were corrupted and then it spawns hostile mobs

monster room loot shows the drops of the mobs of the spawner

[buoyant smelt]

Then if it was a mass extinction event, who made the zombie spawners, the skeleton spawners?

It’s a tricky question to answer

[midnight path]

I think the mossy cobblestone in the monster room shows a connection with the jungle temple

And in the loot you can find melon seeds too

[buoyant smelt]

Maybe the spawners were a source of food, but in the mass extinction event, the zombies found a way to harness the power and create more of their own kind using the spawners, making them unstoppable. Also it would explain why we see so much zombies and skeletons.

[midnight path]

Dunno, i see spawners spawning work entirely different to normal spawning

[buoyant smelt]

It’s a gameplay mechanic to make there less entities in the world, that’s why they only spawn when a player is near a spawner.

[midnight path]

The point im trying to make is the dungeon monster room shows the correct loot corresponding to the mobs spawning on it

magma cube n silverfish spawner looks more intentioned to protect the place than to generate food

[buoyant smelt]

The way to figure this out is a lot simpler. Since the chests have bones and “rotten flesh”, it’s most likely the leftover source of food from when the spawners worked and made animals

[midnight path]

The loot also has string, spiders generate there too

[buoyant smelt]

Then it’s from cobwebs that the ancient builders cleared whilst mining

But I also wouldn’t be surprised if they were also farming spiders

[midnight path]

You cant eat spiders tho

[buoyant smelt]

I have an idea

[midnight path]

well you can but you will get poisoned

f dyno

[buoyant smelt]

The weakness potion requires a spider eye, and we can also see golden apples in the chest.

[midnight path]

true

[buoyant smelt]

Maybe another suggestion is that some of the dungeons were used for experimenting cures on the undead

[midnight path]

could possibly be

[buoyant smelt]

I mean, from the loot, to the small room, to the type of mobs it generates, it all could possibly be.

Some of them were spider farms to make the cure (weakness potion)

And some of them were for testing the cure

[midnight path]

reasonable theory

like the igloo no?

[buoyant smelt]

I think the witch rediscovered the cure, and tested it on villagers.

But the villagers betrayed her

And she decided to never share the cure

Just one problem, we don’t actually see the witch at the igloo

[midnight path]

the creators of the igloo were the clerics

we can see a brewimg stand there

and witches do not use brewing stands

[buoyant smelt]

Well then how do witches get their potions?

[midnight path]

Cauldrons

[buoyant smelt]

How so?

[midnight path]

in bedrock we can see potions effects in the cauldron

the witches are present in the swamp, biome where there are plenty of mushrooms

the witch house has a small pot with a mushroom

[buoyant smelt]

Yeah but you need to make a potion for the cauldron

[midnight path]

The cauldron is the potion making table

we can also make potions effects with only a mushroom, a flower and a bowl to make a suspicious stew

[buoyant smelt]

We can clearly see however a witch drinking from a potion

They also drop potions

[midnight path]

The cauldron is like a bigger suspicious stew

with only some mushroom and flowers (swamps are full of those) they can make water effects and fill empty bottles with the potion

the witch even drops a stick, presumably used to stir the concoction in the water

[buoyant smelt]

Here’s my question

If clerics are the ones who rediscovered the cure, why don’t we see the clerics using the cure?

[buoyant smelt]

I can see how that is plausible to me

But the base of suspicious stew is flowers and mushrooms

And we see a witch drinking out of a potion

[midnight path]

maybe they dont have enough materials to cure all the villagers

[buoyant smelt]

true

Clerics do like to buy gold

• nether warts

[midnight path]

the witch drops empty bottles when they die

when they make the concoction in the cauldron they just fill the bottle with it

[buoyant smelt]

Not every time though, if you kill a witch while it’s drinking, it actually drops the potion, go look at the wiki.

It’s rare though

[midnight path]

i know

im trying to say witches uses the cauldron to make potions

[buoyant smelt]

But in the mechanics of minecraft it’s impossible

Or maybe I am wrong

[midnight path]

if the igloos were from the witches, it would show a cauldron not a brewing stand

[buoyant smelt]

I’ll go research

[buoyant smelt]

Why would a cleric trap villagers

[midnight path]

testing the cure

[midnight path]

but the witches have the knowledge to do so

in bedrock we can see the cauldron can have potions effects

[buoyant smelt]

Wow an igloo indeed does have a cauldron

I think the witch was a cleric once

[high spruce]

in minecraft legends, witches were described as alchemists
clerics are also essencially alchemists too

maybe there is a relation

[buoyant smelt]

Minecraft legends is just a legend, but they do have some similarities. You can’t confirm it unless it’s in the base game (Minecraft)

[high spruce]

well, witches basically do alchemy, with their cauldron brewing ( a form of alchemy)

[buoyant smelt]

What I said is the witch was once a cleric

[high spruce]

oh that, hmm, possible

maybe witches started as like, a more in-depth branch of clerics

but later became its own thing

[buoyant smelt]

A higher rank and more intelligent?

[high spruce]

i wont really say that but i wont deny, but certainly more experimental willing

[buoyant smelt]

I think I humbled zol

Unless Zol is still here

XD

Or blud is doing research

[high spruce]

i say that its seems to clear that, in-lore, witches uses cauldrons for brewing

even if we players cant use it as such

[midnight path]

nah im busy

[midnight path]

villagers have cauldrons too

[buoyant smelt]

I am sure there are lots of magic we cannot use

[buoyant smelt]

What I am saying is the witch was once a cleric, so they obviously used it

[buoyant smelt]

The witch also was at the igloo first

[midnight path]

witches do not use brewing stands for making potions

[buoyant smelt]

But clerics do

[midnight path]

yes

[buoyant smelt]

Witch 🔁 Cleric

They are the same!

But the Witch is a cleric which turned away from the villagers for betraying her

[midnight path]

dunno

why the villahers would betray

[buoyant smelt]

Simple, they saw the witch trapping villagers in her dungeon, and they overreacted and turned away from the witch calling her evil

[midnight path]

contra argument:
one culture of villagers use villagers as sacrifices: junglelagers

[buoyant smelt]

I don’t see much evidence to support that claim though.

The villagers are very peaceful

[high spruce]

in irl, people tend to prefer that their more experiement oriented members do their stuff outside of the main settlement
maybe the villagers shunned or excluded witches from villages as they couldnt stand their weird experiments and potions ( perhaps there was some accidents too)

[buoyant smelt]

Sounds kinda plausible to me

[midnight path]

indeed, but they still kill animals for survival

[buoyant smelt]

That’s called agriculture, not a weak liberal vegan village

They rather not war with each other but live their lives growing crops, making weapons for agriculture and living happy

[midnight path]

villagers have pacifist traits, but they can still attack and kill

[buoyant smelt]

They are pacifist to others like themselves, and the player

You need agriculture for survival too

And by the type of agriculture I am talking about is meat farming

[midnight path]

thats called husbandry i think

[high spruce]

villagers as a society are peaceful, but that would vary between individuals & characters
but i guess in vanilla minecraft there isnt such a thing like individuals or characters, just mobs, so i guess its moot

[buoyant smelt]

Thanks for the better wording

[midnight path]

cattle husbandry

[buoyant smelt]

I should’ve put it as husbandry

[buoyant smelt]

Not just cattle

Sheep and Pigs also

[midnight path]

the thing is junglelagers in MCD use sacrificea iirc

[buoyant smelt]

I do not personally see any connection between MCD and Vanilla Minecraft

I see them as spin-off games

But I do like to think that some things hint about stuff in minecraft

[high spruce]

the jungle villagers in both MCD and vanilla are like, gone

doesnt appear to still be around

so i dont think they count

they are from an older era different from modern villagers

and another culture too

we dont even know if they were sacrificing other villagers or just animals

[midnight path]

endersents can be heard from disc 5

[midnight path]

makes sense, the igloo appears to be abandoned

[buoyant smelt]

I do believe however we will get an end update

[midnight path]

i can also support my statement that a junglelager are making the igloo experiment: you can see a cacti (obv only found in deserts) and the desert villagers are the last descendants of the junglelagers, as is seen in the temples and creeper carvings

Moreover this desert cleric wanted to take the infected specimen very far away in case something happened wrong, and whats its further and safer for someone from the desert than a snow biome?

[buoyant smelt]

You can’t believe something for certain unless it’s in the base game

• 

[midnight path]

I used both games tho

[buoyant smelt]

[midnight path]

[broken pier]

eventually pats back

if you write enough lore

and write enough lore

and occasionally defend mojang in #minecraft-discussion

you will get there