Current political landscape of Minecraft

[quartz locust]

And do a bit of trolling on the side

[gleaming dirge]

Same

[trim ether]

Nah, best government type is Anacho-Stalinism-facism-Mericaism-soicalism

[royal niche]

I have more proof of my pillager intervention into the nether theory

Bastions have spawners something they don't have the resources to develop

[gleaming dirge]

?

They have metal for the cage and fire for that one flame

And they have red blocks for the red eyes of the cage

So they could make spwaners, unless the flame of creation showen in MCL really exists and isnt jut something made up im the legend

[royal niche]

Yeah but no lab to experiment in like the illagers do. Nor the scientists.

[gleaming dirge]

Piglins litterly researched cybernetics and you are telling me that they had no scientists ?

[royal niche]

WHEN

[gleaming dirge]

MCL

Want me to show you ?

[royal niche]

Yes

[gleaming dirge]

Brb

[gleaming dirge]

1st picture:
The one on the left is an cyborg, the one in the middle is a fricking centaur and the one on the right seems to have integrated multiple fungui into his body which he uses as a biological weapon

[gleaming dirge]

Also, didnt I already tell you that ?

[royal niche]

I thought those were helmets and teeth replacements. As for the fungi how can you be sure the host wants to be a host

[torn pike]

MCL its a legend so is exaggerated, however, based on the synopsis, the tie-in Return of the Piglins, isn't, as it says the events of the game its a legend or fable, which would make the book be more "real"
In the cover of the book, there is a piglin cybernetic enhancement
We still need to see if the book its canon, but its a official game tie-in book and its written by the same author of the Rise of the Arch Illager, so its very likely it will be canon

[gleaming dirge]

Because its the only piglin that does it

[maiden pond]

Only four days until the Legends novel comes out

[torn pike]

Yay

[gleaming dirge]

Litterly everybody else just uses it as a biological weapon that isnt part of your body

[maiden pond]

I think only a piglin throws it (minecraft Dungeons)

the piglin from Legends seems to be infected

[royal niche]

No spoilers

[maiden pond]

how is that a spoiler

[gleaming dirge]

Overall the leaders seem to be the peak of the piglins advancements

[royal niche]

It tells how a mob works I don't want to know

[torn pike]

There is also the fungus thrower from mcd
Which its like, the modern "real" version of those mobs

[royal niche]

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[maiden pond]

Stop

[gleaming dirge]

Yeah

[torn pike]

The fungus throwers its been out for years

Its not a spoiler

[maiden pond]

this little friend here

[gleaming dirge]

I think that the piglins rlly did achieve researching cybernetics

[maiden pond]

More or less, it is possible that Axeonthehill has not played Dungeons

[torn pike]

Well i agree with that

[gleaming dirge]

They are ruthless, greedy and careless, things like ethics stoping them from doing it are almost not existant

[torn pike]

But like, i would want to cybernetics from more real sources

[maiden pond]

like a machine

[gleaming dirge]

I dont think that any piglin cyborgs survived the decline of the piglins

[maiden pond]

They have no regrets

[gleaming dirge]

Since their cybernetic body parts need maintance and would evantualy kill them or they just died from natural causes meanwhile no new cyborgs are created

[torn pike]

Right now we have the piglin in the book cover, to say it was real, but we have to wait

[gleaming dirge]

Pls send book cover

[torn pike]

Damn

[gleaming dirge]

Thiss dosent look like a cybernetic thimg but like a prostetic hand

[torn pike]

Well by the length of that chain, it would inside the arm

When it retracts

Still, i think it does show a kind of cybernetics and it seems the book takes place after the fall of piglin society

[gleaming dirge]

Idk, how can we be sure that thiss isnt the fall of piglin society ? That there wasnt a 2nd attempt to invade the ow and thiss 2nd attempt created their downfall ?

[torn pike]

Well this is so long after the first invasion that the events are already an legend

But true, it could be the second downfall

[weak temple]

Maybe you should not take MCL so seriously after all its a legens a story of a longe forgotten past someone tells. It is not said that the piglins ever realy had cybernetics. I think the true part of the legend is the war. We see evidence in the base game that there was a war. For example the broken down bastions or the achievement "warpigs". But we don't see any evidence of such high advanced technology. Also the defenders of the overworld would clearly develope this technology too at some point in the war. It is only natural to investigate the technology of the enemy. they just had to pick up the debris from the battlefield and put it back together. This would then suggest that the overworld would still use this technology today. They did not lose the war their society didn't fall apart. Clearly someone would have kept this technology and the knowledge about it alive.

[torn pike]

MCD does shows piglins had technology

it crumbling away and mostly abandoned, but it does says that it was truth that ancient piglin society was advanced

they big drills, mechanical drawbridges, mechanized weapons

what we are specifically yet to see are piglins which used that technology to enchance their bodies

as of now, we only have the piglin in the cover of the book as evidence

but we still yet to have more information of the book

[royal niche]

What's stopping the creation of new cities

[torn pike]

for piglins, their society is now too disfigured to rebuilt themsleves

and the chaotic nature of the nether deosnt help

they will probably be stuck like that for some more ages

as for villagers, well, they have towns, like Squid Coast

so towns still exists out in the world

illagers lives in mansions and outposts, its kinda part of their culture

so i doubt they have towns

[royal niche]

Yeah illagers are socialist central planners

The idea of a city doesn't work for them

You think illagers are liberated Iron golems

That's why they imprison Iron Golems and not kill them

[torn pike]

they could just had captured iron golems that wandered too far from their villages or just surviving ones from a village they raided off screen

why they dont kill them, idk, maybe they want to study the golem magic they have, or they can somehow make golems obey them or its simply a trophy to symbolize superiority or dominance

[gleaming dirge]

Social Central Planners find cities way more attractive then any other type of settelment lol

[royal niche]

Why build thousands of buildings when you can build one?

[gleaming dirge]

Because every building has its role and function. And multiple carefully planned and calculated buildings can form a very very efficient settelment

Just look what the soviets did

[gleaming dirge]

They almost entierly focused themselfs on making cities an efficient utopia, while the rural areas remained sheet

[gleaming dirge]

I agree that the people of the ow could reverse engineer thiss tech, if they arent stopped by some ethical, religious or emotional reason. But it could be that the ow wasnt abel to do that, because they also faced decline after the war. We are talking here about an interdimensional war afterall and in MCD and vanilia MC we can assume that the world is in an era of stagnation (similiarly to the medival era irl)

[gleaming dirge]

I am aware that MCL is a legend, but I dont see why the piglins having researched cybernetics cant be true. They have made great advancements in the field of machinery afterall, which can be seen in MCD (drills, mechanical draw bridges, chainsaws and etc). So the next logical step would be to become part with the machine, right ? (Also cybernetics fits to the theme of the pre collapse piglins)

[gleaming dirge]

Also, dont understand me wrong as somebody who blindly follows everything showen in MCL. There are things I think are made up, for example the piglins behavior is probaly extremly overexadurated and the ow probaly wasnt a peacefull utopia before the war

[weak temple]

yes but we dont see evidence of that in the base game. I assume the timeline is: MCL - MC - MCD . So I cant see how in MCL they have cybernetic stuff in normal MC their society is completely destroyed they live in ruins and then in MCD they somehow got back their knowledge.

[weak temple]

It would help if we know how much time has passed since the war

[torn pike]

you because one thing cant be seen in vanilla, doesnt mean it doesnt exist

the drills are ancient already in MCD, so they must had existed in vanilla

[weak temple]

I know but it is a little bit strange

[torn pike]

i agree on that, but we should try to go pass this strangeness

[gleaming dirge]

And there is acctualy 1 case were a civilisation might have researched piglin machinery, gale. Gale is an mountain island in MCD populated with isolationist illagers that have less advanced machinery. Thiss machinery needs the wind to function (which is why its only at the peak of the mountain), but the idea for usch thing as machinery could have come from the piglins machinery

[gleaming dirge]

It was porbaly a very very long time, since only the portals seem to remain

[torn pike]

and its been time enough to become a legend, that has been exagerrated

[gleaming dirge]

Not even any destroyed landscapes which could have been destroyed during the war is left (because the piglins and people of the ow had diffrent kinds of artlery [in the case of the piglins its canons and in the case of the ow its a catapult like golem and a TNT launcher])

[weak temple]

We know from reallife that stories change over time. Someone tells it different or adds unnecessary details. So time has a huge impact on a story

[gleaming dirge]

Not to mention that it might have even been originaly used as propaganda by the villagers

[gleaming dirge]

Yeah

But again, we see the piglins have advanced machinery and the cybernetics that they have in MCL dont seem out of place

[weak temple]

maybe some of the weapons are also just made up. I don't want to mention any real life examples I think they are to political

[gleaming dirge]

The only thing that rlly is weird and that we should focuse more on is the fact that one of their leaders is a centaur

[gleaming dirge]

You refer to that stalin tank with 3 turrets ?

[weak temple]

I mean countrys telling poeple other countrys have weapons which they dont have for example

[torn pike]

right now, piglins its been shown using blaze rods, maces, fungus, saws, etc.. which are all beliveable weapons

[gleaming dirge]

(I said stalin tank, because it has stalin in its name, its not a stalin shaped tank)

[weak temple]

would be funny to watch

[gleaming dirge]

That we can see in MCD

[torn pike]

if its in MCD, then its real

vanilla and MCD has the final say

[weak temple]

I can agree with that

[gleaming dirge]

Same

But again, cybernetics dont seem to be out of place unlike the fricking piglin-hoglin centaur

[torn pike]

a piglin its seen with cybernetics in the tie-in book, so lets wait and see

[weak temple]

I would also agree with the overall statement that in the war in MCL Piglins have used weapons more advanced then nowadays. Every story/legens has a true core

cybernetics could be.

[torn pike]

i think this its a good comparison with how things can be exaggerated

[gleaming dirge]

I wont follow what stands in thiss book until its confirmed to be canon (it would also be hypocrtical for me to do after having for months giving loadly such great focus on things being confirmed as canon)

[torn pike]

hence why i said to wait and see

[gleaming dirge]

(Context: both use warped fungui as bio weapons)

[torn pike]

and basically has the same purpuse

and presumably belonged to the same horde

noticed how in reality, the piglin its still fine while in the legend, its infected with fungus

now, its still true that both are throwing bio fungus weapons without protection

[gleaming dirge]

I still thing sporey sam acctualy had fungus growinf on him

[torn pike]

maybe

sporey sam was a individual

[gleaming dirge]

Afterall, all the leaders seem to be the representation of their hordes peak in their field

By the way, @weak temple

[royal niche]

What are the three feilds

[gleaming dirge]

In MCL there are 3 creatures helping the hero, which seem to be very powerfull. The yare called foresight, action and knowledge.

The voice actor of foresight is the same as the narrator in MCD. So its implied that these 3 creatures (that we classify as entities) are real and that both in MCL and MCD something causes atleast 1 of them to intervene in the conflicts. We presume its the void inflouenceing the conflict or even being the cause of it (in MCD its the HoE/Orb of Domiance and in MCL we can see that the emperor might be corrupted by the void or is inflouenced by another entity of the void)

(The void is confirmed to be a space between dimensions from where the endermites come from. In MCD we can see how it has corrupted the wnd in the form of condensed void and some kind if void liquid. And in the ow we see endersent [bigger endermen with hammer hands] corrupting parts of the ow and trying to dig through the bedrock layer [I and others speculate/theorise its because the void wants to corrupt the ows core and destroy the planet from the inside]. We can even hear endersent sounds in that ancient city disk)

(I also speculate that the void is a big space where all dimensions are inside and all the dimensiosn that exist are disturbances of that space. [Which would still follow the description of the void as a space between dimensions, since its still a space between dimensions.] And the reason why the void wants to destroy and corrupt the dimensions is because it wants to fix these disturbances.)

[royal niche]

Short not long

[gleaming dirge]

Machienery, Biological use of fungui and the 3rd field (the one of the centaurs hordet/the bone horde) might be genetic manipulation or just domestication of piglins. Or the bone horde is just a ssv themed horde (because of the bones)

[weak temple]

But is a narrator canon?

Its like making the minecraft backround music canon right?

[gleaming dirge]

It might be, like some kind of guide

Also I can remember that the narrator directly talks to you and says things like "you have to-"

[weak temple]

yes how else would you find out what to do in that game?

[gleaming dirge]

True

I didnt thought about that

Wait

I just realised you meant it in a diffrent way and I missunderstood you

[gleaming dirge]

Its showen on the map and you always have to do the same thing (reach the end of the level)

[gleaming dirge]

But I just realised somerhing thy to what you said

The heroes in MCD shouldnt be abel to know what to do without a guide afterall, since all villagers were enslaved, inprisoned or killed

And there are things which only foresight (which seems to be like an omniscient observer in MCL) could know, like the existance of the nameleas one

[weak temple]

but do they know what to do? They just follow the path of destruction the illager sleft behind with the goal to defeat the illagers

[torn pike]

i think the main evidence of the narrator being a charcater its due of how much it reacts to your actions and enviroments

[weak temple]

what exactly do you mean with foresight?

[gleaming dirge]

Its the name of the character in MCL that might be the narrator in MCD

[weak temple]

In other videogames there is also some kidn of "foresight" a text that tells you for example that a sertain event is coming or a bossfight

[torn pike]

there is emotion in her voice that makes it seems its following you, and living in the present
and in the warped forest and in the end, her voice becomes distorded, as if her communication to the player its getting difficult, as if she is guiding you from somewhere else

[gleaming dirge]

Like, she is litterly called foresight

And the other 2 are called action and knowledge

[torn pike]

meaning its likely its a physical place that the end can affect

[gleaming dirge]

We reach the nameless kingdom (something which has been forgoten by almost everybody and just seems to be like some severly declined remenant) before the illagers manage to arrive

Also we somehow manage to find their redstone mines, redstone golem factory and castle

[weak temple]

yeah from a lore perspective its more likely they pickes up a map from a corpse of one of the illagers

[gleaming dirge]

Which leads to a forgoten place that to our knwoledge only Archie, the HoE and the narrator could know ?

[weak temple]

well hew found it maybe he drew the map the illagers use?

[torn pike]

another its how urgent does the narrator can be, like how it urges for the hero not let the arch-illager escape

there its also the fact the narrator knows that the nameless one's staff its what its needed to be destroyed, which its a fact that the heroes had no way to know

[weak temple]

I still think the narrator is just that a narrator. The way he tells the player what to do is just a dynamic style that people can better relate to.

[gleaming dirge]

So you think its a smart idea to give everybody the information that there is a desert temple in the desert where there lives necromancers that are still wealthy (which would attract the illagers hunger for raiding) and might lead to them disvovering the nameless one and his orb, which in Rotai is refered by the nameless one as related to the orb of dominace ?

Basicaly giving any power hungry illager a chance of overthrowing archie (which by the way was already tried once by an enemy of archie in Rotai)

[marsh kite]

Somone on Youtube had a fan-fiction/mod/update idea, where illagers would spawn in the Stronghold, implying they were trying to ritual-summon the EnderDragon the overworld. The player charcter, therefore stops the summoning just in time, by killing the dragon in her home turf, before the illagers can summon her.
...
However, this is a fan-fiction, not a fan-theory, and it also potentially conflicts with my theory that the end-exit-portal is powered by the dragon's soul.