then why are you trying to find lore in the poem, then? because Notch liked the text? well let me tell you a lot of stuff from the "Notch era" is heavily outdated to the actual lore plus the poem itself contradicting other canon aspects of the new lore, also the notch era "lore" was almost nonexistent and stuff was the way it was just because
#The end poem lore
maiden isle
lime dust
Phantoms chase you if you don't use the bed
You're being told a story you are in a dream but everything is a dream...
You choose how they dream goes
You choose your universe
But there are entities talking... These entities say that they're going to tell you a story
But you're not ready for the full truth so they're going to hide it behind the story
But then later on they say that you are them and they are you
You're telling yourself this story
Because there's something important to learn
Your actions matter
maiden isle
then why are you trying to find lore in the poem, then? because Notch liked the ...
the easiest example is the replacement of the zombie pigmen with zombified piglins and piglins as a whole, and Jens saying that the pig + lightning = zombified piglin is no longer "how piglins work" and so it stayed as an easter egg and not lore
that is, just one of many examples of how much the franchise's lore has changed, evolved and grew over time
lime dust
I understand your perspective but I disagree I don't think it's an Easter egg
Minecraft developers still call you the player, or human and they still reference dreams
These three things are the same things that you're called in the end poem
But there's a lesson you need to learn that you're not ready for yet so they have to tell you a story
You're brought back to learn that story a story that revolves around players that came before you
Players that took the other route
coral zealot
The phantoms were added after Notch left minecraft
lime dust
Refused to see their place in the universe decided to manipulate and corrupt the universe and harmed themselves in the process
coral zealot
The phantoms were added after Notch left minecraft
(not sure tho)
lime dust
Here's a common question that a lot of people ask but never figure out...
Why does the bed explode?
Why is that a mechanic?
It explodes in a nightmare dimension by the way that doesn't want you to dream...
A hell dimension
coral zealot
there is already a forum where we discuss that
lime dust
Oh great now I have to go on a different forum to talk about the end poem
coral zealot
The phantoms were added after Notch left minecraft
(yes i have the right here)
lime dust
And the fact that it tells you you're in a dream that teaches you a lesson through a story
A dream within A dream within A dream
coral zealot
Notch left Minecraft When it was in the version 1.9 or 1.10
lime dust
And yet the end poem still remains
As you stated earlier they have no problem changing mechanics if it doesn't support the lore
But they kept the poem
maiden isle
Why does the bed explode?
Intentional Game Design
lime dust
And it's so important to them that they kept it even though they can't have ownership over it
coral zealot
i think audrey said that and not me
lime dust
So perhaps the poem does matter
arctic knoll
Note: The End Poem was made as a part of a writing contest to make something silly.
Lemme see if it's still pinned.
lime dust
Yes it was intentionally there as a game mechanic in a game that is a dream that the entities are showing you
maiden isle
So perhaps the poem does matter
perhaps it doesn't
lime dust
It's intentionally there because the exploding bed matters
maiden isle
I mean, very likely it doesn't
arctic knoll
Twitter
lime dust
The day night cycle matters
arctic knoll
There is no cycle in the Nether or End.
maiden isle
It explodes in a nightmare dimension by the way that doesn't want you to dream.....
I mean villagers can dream in the nether
and I think the nether can be beautiful sometimes
also they explode in the end and that doesn't seem hellish, just barren
also respawn anchors explode in the same way outside of the nether, try to explain that with random poem dream logic
arctic knoll
Villagers can dream in the Nether? :0
lime dust
Yes they can
But they are part of the story part of the lore the story that you're being told
arctic knoll
Oh, didn't know about foxes.
lime dust
The story you're telling yourself
arctic knoll
Also, the poem is hella meta and even tells you to stop playing.
It breaks the fourth wall.
lime dust
It's not telling you to stop playing
maiden isle
oh by the way, phantoms chasing you for not sleeping is a reference to insomnia, not dreams
lime dust
It's telling you it's telling you that the game is a story and that your life is a story and that every story is important
It's telling you that you are connected to all the stories
And that one is not more important than the other
That they are all the same universe
maiden isle
Also, the poem is hella meta and even tells you to stop playing.
yeah we said that like
7 times now
arctic knoll
Meta
maiden isle
Metamorphosis
arctic knoll
It's cool to look at it on it's own but eh, I ain't connecting to the rest of Minecraft.
lime dust
It's telling you that you're only limited by your imagination the constructs of your mind
maiden isle
It's cool to look at it on it's own but eh, I ain't connecting to the rest of Mi...
exactly
arctic knoll
They even call us a player.
lime dust
They are everything you think you are not...
arctic knoll
They know it's a game.
arctic knoll
You are everything.
maiden isle
They are everything you think you are not...
no way semiotics fr
arctic knoll
Even that left over egg salad in the fridge. LMAO
lime dust
Basically this is how the story goes... You are part of the universe you are not aware of that fully yet... you still tell yourself stories in dreams.. in dreams that you believe are real...
arctic knoll
Life is a dream.
maiden isle
you are because you are not what everything else is
lime dust
You need to wake up and realize that you are in a dream everything is a dream your life is a dream the game you're playing is a dream the window you're looking at is a dream the conversation you're reading on the screen is a dream the screen itself is a dream
arctic knoll
Meta
lime dust
But you're not capable of realizing it yet so the universe starts telling you a story to try to wake you up
A story of other players that came before you players that didn't realize they were part of the universe
arctic knoll
Nothing is real!
lime dust
Didn't realize that they needed to live in harmony with their environment
arctic knoll
Humans be like:
lime dust
They win against the universe and corrupted it not realizing they were corrupting themselves in the process
maiden isle
you are because you are not what everything else is
you are not the universe, you are yourself because you are not everything else, but the universe as a whole is everything that exists including yourself
this is not some kind of matrix hidden truth of cosmological power like omg
lime dust
They took advantage of the resources they manipulated the natives
They were only hurting themselves because everything is part of the universe
Their actions matter and are only limited by their imaginations
They can create and they can destroy
arctic knoll
Mhmm. Like mother nature.
maiden isle
everything is part of the universe by definition but the universe doesn't have to be this unified force of harmony and ponies and pink flowers with rainbows, it just exists, period
arctic knoll
The universe is cruel.
lime dust
Okay let me take baby steps...
You are the villager. The villager is you. Are you going to live in harmony with it. Or will you exploit it not realizing that it's a part of you. Will you trap it in a box.
The choice is yours they're not telling you what to do but they are saying that you are affecting the universe and therefore affecting yourself
arctic knoll
Nature is cruel, humans just are able to direct it and manipulate it to it's extreme.
maiden isle
You are the villager. The villager is you. Are you going to live in harmony with...
if you are the villager this means that you are also all the evil there is, since you "are everything"
lime dust
You are the Iron golem and the Iron golem is you
You are the illager in the illager is you
arctic knoll
If you are Villager... you are Illager!!
lime dust
You are both dark and light and the light in the dark is you
lime dust
If you are Villager... you are Illager!!
Yes everything is made of stardust
maiden isle
and what does that poetic randomness mean in english?
lime dust
and the universe said I love you
and the universe said you have played the game well
and the universe said everything you need is within you
and the universe said you are stronger than you know
and the universe said you are the daylight
and the universe said you are the night
and the universe said the darkness you fight is within you
and the universe said the light you seek is within you
and the universe said you are not alone
and the universe said you are not separate from every other thing
and the universe said you are the universe tasting itself, talking to itself, reading its own code
and the universe said I love you because you are love.
The poem is trying to tell you you are part of the universe that you are loved that you are more than you know that you can create anything that you want that everything and everybody is the same and made from the same material
arctic knoll
Wait... simpler terms: Everything starts the same, everything comes from the same thing. And at the end, it all returns to the same state.
maiden isle
stardust is one of the silliest terms there are
its really vague since when stars explode they can generate a lot of elements that may or may not later form planets that may or may not have life forms
and stars are not even special, they are just giant balls of hot nitrogen
arctic knoll
Facts. nods
lime dust
You can choose to live in harmony with the universe
Or you can do what the player race before you did
And refuse to accept that it's part of the universe... Harming the universe and therefore harming themselves
little rapids
Jokingly
little rapids
and the universe said I love you
and the universe said you have played the game...
and the
and the universe gave me a pineapple
arctic knoll
Pineapple!!!
lime dust
And you were the pineapple
arctic knoll
Yes... my dream is complete.
little rapids
mmmm
arctic knoll
I was delicious, thank you very much. I've always been sweet. ;)
Ahhh, auto emote. When did that turn back on?
lime dust
and the universe said you are the universe tasting itself, talking to itself, reading its own code
arctic knoll
So... if I die does the universe die?
little rapids
Part of it
coral zealot
maiden isle
that was to choose the writter actually
arctic knoll
Ohhh.
lime dust
The story dies. You do not
coral zealot
If I die the universe will run out of my intelligence
Clearly I'm an important piece of the cosmos
maiden isle
thinking that you are everything and everything is you is actually a dangerous mindset in the real world if one doesn't make the separation from the poetic to the literal and meaning of the poem
little rapids
when ppl get smarter does that mean the dumb people died
lime dust
Yes that's what it's trying to tell you that you and the universe are one that everything is the universe and the universe is everything
little rapids
thinking that you are everything and everything is you is actually a dangerous m...
Tbf
lime dust
Nothing is separate
little rapids
This applies to a lot of things
not separating literal & figurative meaning could hurt in a lot of situations
arctic knoll
Nothing is separate
Time to find out if damage to myself equals damage to the universe. /hj
maiden isle
Nothing is separate
that's
um, in what meaning do you say it?
arctic knoll
But I can see this easily going into a bad mindset. Like in viewing others.
maiden isle
because
there is stuff that is separate
the orbit of mars couldn't care less about what grade I get in my biology exam
arctic knoll
But I can see this easily going into a bad mindset. Like in viewing others.
You start thinking everything affects everything.
lime dust
maiden isle
AHA
see
Julian is the poem writter
therefore, self-contained story + no meaning to the actual game's story nor lore + you are taking the poem too literally
coral zealot
Julian is canon now
raven comet
why is this still going
lime dust
Yes the poem does break the fourth wall
arctic knoll
I ask the same thing... but this is fun.
raven comet
we already marked the end of the serious discussion
lime dust
why is this still going
Why not?
maiden isle
is not productive?
lime dust
You told me to move the conversation I moved the conversation why do you still have a problem?
raven comet
fr
raven comet
it's just a funny story someone came up with
arctic knoll
I mean... tbf, if you want to theorize about it on it's own, feel free.
But... most agree is has no standing in the wider lore of Minecraft.
lime dust
So basically I think the game is trying to teach you a lesson about living in harmony or choosing to cause harm
But when you choose to cause harm the only person you're harming is yourself
raven comet
this is the equivalent of an English teacher asking "what's the meaning behind the girl wearing a blue dress"
lime dust
I think it tells you this story through slowly finding out what happened to the ones who came before you
arctic knoll
So basically I think the game is trying to teach you a lesson about living in ha...
Or the message of the poem itself is. I can see that.
lime dust
The ones who chose to exploit into harm and to try to find eternal life
maiden isle
So basically I think the game is trying to teach you a lesson about living in ha...
amazing incredible poem meaning
so what?
lime dust
The ones that chose violence and the pursuit of power
arctic knoll
I think it tells you this story through slowly finding out what happened to the ...
I think Illagers need to see this. looks at MCD
lime dust
And where it eventually led to their demise
And they never realized how powerful the actually were
raven comet
So basically I think the game is trying to teach you a lesson about living in ha...
remember, the game and poem are not connected
lime dust
And they didn't need to seek power by manipulation or control
arctic knoll
I has POWER!!!
lime dust
They had the strength within them the entire time
arctic knoll
Just be chill, be yoself and we be good. Mkay?
lime dust
They were always part of the universe and when they choose to harm the universe the only thing they were harming was themselves
raven comet
what universe if i may ask
lime dust
They tried to corrupt control exploit manipulate ... And all they did was control corrupt exploit to manipulate themselves
arctic knoll
Deep.... nods
lime dust
You are learning their mistakes witnessing what is Left behind
maiden isle
alright, so what? good moral lesson for a 6th grader but what has it to do with the game's universe' main plot stories that happened way before and after the player stuff we do in game?
raven comet
(The poem is talking about ours.)
interesting theory
raven comet
alright, so what? good moral lesson for a 6th grader but what has it to do with ...
it doesn't
lime dust
That's why I say the end poem does not take away from the lore it only adds to it
raven comet
at all
arctic knoll
I mean it literally calls us a player. Meta much?
lime dust
It allows you to know that you are witnessing a story that you are part of the story... And that the story is trying to tell you something it does break the fourth wall
arctic knoll
That's why I say the end poem does not take away from the lore it only adds to i...
Do you perhaps know the origin of the poem?
arctic knoll
Oohh, tell us.
maiden isle
alright, so what? good moral lesson for a 6th grader but what has it to do with ...
does this "do good, don't do harm" give us any information on how the nameless kingdom felt? no
does this helps us figure out who made trial ruins? no
does this give hints into the construction of ocean monuments? no
lime dust
Early on in the game when the community was small notch was trying to find a ending for the game
arctic knoll
Twitter
maiden isle
it does not
lime dust
One of the players who was a huge fan of the game created the ending
raven comet
so why are you trying to take it as canon? in confused
lime dust
Notch liked it very very much enough where he did at it to the end of the game
arctic knoll
silly over-the-top out-of-nowhere text
lime dust
A game that he poured his blood sweat and tears In
The person who wrote the poem did not want to give Minecraft exclusive rights
arctic knoll
Silly.... over the top.... out of nowhere.... 
raven comet
One of the players who was a huge fan of the game created the ending
I'm pretty sure notch created the ending. all the player created was the poem
maiden isle
Notch liked it very very much enough where he did at it to the end of the game
pal,
Notch
is
irrelevant
lime dust
But Minecraft kept it in the game anyways because they considered it important and so should we
arctic knoll
A musician did, who is mentioned in said poem.
lime dust
I don't think the person who created the game is irrelevant
arctic knoll
He canon to Minecraft now?
raven comet
But Minecraft kept it in the game anyways because they considered it important a...
no they kept it on because they had no real reason to take it out
maiden isle
But Minecraft kept it in the game anyways because they considered it important a...
how do you know when they consider something important? how do you know if they said "yeah this makes nonsense lore-wise but it has nostalgia feeling and a good meta-lesson, lets keep it" seriously how are you claiming that they thought it was important in relation to the actual game story?
raven comet
by this logic Lena Raine is canon to Minecraft 
arctic knoll
No way.
lime dust
how do you know when they consider something important? how do you know if they ...
Okay so let's consider some of the things that were implemented into the game early
The day night cycle
raven comet
and Samuel (i forgot his last name)
arctic knoll
Address the author of said poem being in said poem.
lime dust
When it was added to the game it made a huge difference and how it was played
arctic knoll
Ehhhh.
lime dust
The moon seemed to affect hostile mobs
raven comet
When it was added to the game it made a huge difference and how it was played
ok. but the poem didn't
arctic knoll
I feel people would have skipped it.
maiden isle
ok. but the poem didn't
exactly
lime dust
All of a sudden the world is so completely different whether you're playing it during the day or night
arctic knoll
Address the author of said poem being *in* said poem.
address
lime dust
And then they create the bed
lime dust
The players life revolves around that bed
raven comet
no
lime dust
Where they spawn revolves around that bed
raven comet
it doesn't actually
raven comet
you can play a whole game of Minecraft without using a bed once
lime dust
But it likes to explode in other dimensions..
arctic knoll
Cause no sleepy time.
lime dust
Is it referencing The matrix of some sort the fact that you need to wake up from a dream or the fact that you're in a dream...
arctic knoll
Neither. :)
lime dust
The dreams that are referenced in the poem
arctic knoll
Just that 'hey, this happens!'.
lime dust
Phantoms want to keep you in the dream
lime dust
You're not capable of dreaming in the hellish dimension with no sun or moon
arctic knoll
The dreams that are referenced in the poem
whispers Which isn't canon.
Why do we need to dream? We ain't shown to.
lime dust
You're already in the dream
raven comet
You're not capable of dreaming in the hellish dimension with no sun or moon
ok why can you not sleep in the end then?
that's not a hellish dimension
lime dust
ok why can you not sleep in the end then?
No daylight cycle
maiden isle
are you even reading what we say?
arctic knoll
LIfe is a dream. Whoa polka dots...
lime dust
No dark and light no sun and moon
raven comet
there is dark though
lime dust
It's trying to suck you into a void
raven comet
and light
lime dust
Emptiness
raven comet
same with the nether
arctic knoll
Darkness is everywhere and where there is darkness, light must come.
maiden isle
now I get why people want to obliterate end poem discussions
lime dust
The nether represents despair
raven comet
how
arctic knoll
now I get why people want to obliterate end poem discussions
I'm havin fun. Lmao
maiden isle
The nether represents despair
proof? evidence? dev quote? theory? arguments?
raven comet
I'm havin fun. Lmao
same xd
raven comet
proof? evidence? dev quote? theory? arguments?
proof: i made it up
arctic knoll
Nether is Hell, whatchu mean?
lime dust
In the beginning when notch was first creating the nether dimension he called it hell
raven comet
ok
lime dust
It's name was changed later on
maiden isle
proof: i made it up <:trollface:855186216404385883>
arctic knoll
It was literally called that at one point I think....
arctic knoll
https://tenor.com/view/armstrong-made-it-up-gif-25653819
Yasss 👏🏻
raven comet
it still technically is i think... at least in bedrock
lime dust
When he was first making it and it was still in its early development it was called hell
maiden isle
In the beginning when notch was first creating the nether dimension he called it...
Slip and Nexus were also development names
guys this means the nether represents just a giant slope and nothing more
arctic knoll
It had nothin.
lime dust
The different dimensions represent different mindsets
arctic knoll
A barren landscape.
raven comet
how does that work
maiden isle
The different dimensions represent different mindsets
and what if they dont
arctic knoll
The different dimensions represent different mindsets
End is def. emptiness. nods
lime dust
Guys I got to go I just realized I'm late making my roommates food she's blind I cook for her I got to go
raven comet
both the end and nether were empty when they were first added
lime dust
I'll be back later it's 12 minutes past when I should have fed her
arctic knoll
Baii
raven comet
nah, take as much time as you need dw
arctic knoll
That was a good exp grind sesh. Lmaooo
raven comet
not like this is an important discussion
why have so many people starred this?
it's not even in the right channel smh
it should be in mystery discussion i think
scarlet cove
Wow, this chat got really active
arctic knoll
:)
scarlet cove
I didnt expect it to revive like this
raven comet
i kinda wanna make a fake theory thread and see how many people would react
scarlet cove
That sounds funny lol
raven comet
who wants to help troll RGN discord
arctic knoll
It was really just one person constantly going on about the end poem and we just thru comments in.
maiden isle
I didnt expect it to revive like this
semiotics, argues and philosophy my beloveds
raven comet
what should the fake theory be?
scarlet cove
It was really just one person constantly going on about the end poem and we just...
Yeah, i saw that
raven comet
🤔
arctic knoll
I had fun. :)
scarlet cove
Mmm... idk
maiden isle
It was really just one person constantly going on about the end poem and we just...
||brick wall||
raven comet
what's the most game theory of theories
scarlet cove
I had fun. :)
Im glad you did
arctic knoll
Enderman are ABs.
raven comet
Steve is Dead?🤔
raven comet
Enderman are ABs.
what does that mean
coral zealot
ABs are banned
scarlet cove
Im glad you did
Its a good example of things being enjoyable even if they arent lore
maiden isle
guys I have a theory
there was a zombie apocalypse caused by a virus from the ancient builders
coral zealot
In My mindset
arctic knoll
Endermen are evolved humans.
raven comet
guys I have a theory
there was a zombie apocalypse caused by a virus from the a...
omg yes
scarlet cove
guys I have a theory
there was a zombie apocalypse caused by a virus from the a...
ooo, that one sounds good
raven comet
perfect bait
maiden isle
guys
ocean monuments were alien villager squid spaceships
arctic knoll
Squidward moment.
raven comet
omg yes that's even better
raven comet
Audrey, make the thread. you deserve to start it
maiden isle
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1oWIxthfzETaTKZeCdrZgAId23aUNpHsVXQR_v15cWYM/...
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coral zealot
guys I have a theory
there was a zombie apocalypse caused by a virus from the a...
the necromancers definitely didn't cause it
arctic knoll
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1oWIxthfzETaTKZeCdrZgAId23aUNpHsVXQR_v15cWYM/...
I remember that!
little rapids
UwU
coral zealot
GL
raven comet
#1092998202879393922
scarlet cove
Interesting
coral zealot
The absolute madlad
raven comet
i added the joke tag just in case
scarlet cove
That doesnt sound misleading either, which is good
scarlet cove
i added the joke tag just in case
Good call
rapid oak
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1oWIxthfzETaTKZeCdrZgAId23aUNpHsVXQR_v15cWYM/...
The part about the orb being inside of the dragon Egg reminds me of an old concept of mine (yes, I have a lot of those) in which there was a battle between the HoE and the dragons of the OW, the dragons were able to defeat HoE but all of them died except their leader, Jean, who then got possesed by the remains of HoE, becoming the Ender Dragon and traveling to the end to rule it while HoE regenerates inside her body, later a group of heroes reaches the end and kills Jean before HoE is fully regenerated, so it creates an egg around itself from which it would eventually hatch
arctic knoll
How old is this post?
raven comet
too old
maiden isle
The part about the orb being inside of the dragon Egg reminds me of an old conce...
reminds me of that theory that the egg is not a baby dragon but an actual void energy massive bomb
arctic knoll
A nuke. lol
raven comet
guys come on, my totally real theory needs support 😦
lime dust
Okay guys so hater are going to hate but I'm still going to use my voice my theory might not be popular but I do think it has evidence... This is going to take a while so I'm going to have to give it to you guys in parts:
what I've been trying to say is that the end poem has major themes around dreaming and the universe and your place in the universe.
But before we get started let's recognize what everyone's going to argue so we can clear the air move on and see how it might still be prevalent to the story of Minecraft. The end poem is written by Julian Gough. That poem is now public domain and is not owned by Minecraft. It was in response to Notch asking for a "silly over-the-top out-of-nowhere text" that he could put after the player kills the ender dragon. It was implemented into the game in 2011. Notch liked it very much and he tried several times to get Julian to sign over the rights to Minecraft. Julian thought this went against what the poem represented and decided to make it public domain.
BUT Mojang could have easily removed it from the game. They chose not to they decided to keep it. So they must have considered it important enough to keep.
arctic knoll
Or... they kept it because hey! This is after the End fight. Makes it special yknow?
little rapids
Minecraft....
lime dust
And here is why I think that they decided to keep it and why I believe that it contributes to the lore and it does not remove anything from the story of Minecraft but instead just gives it more depth.
Let's start with the concept of dreams and specifically dreams as a metaphor for LIFE.
In the poem it refers to Minecraft as a short dream and Life as a long dream. That players can create with their dreams, And that we have dreams with inside of dreams with inside of dreams... That we create our own reality. The end poem is intended to suggest that games and reality can blend together. part of your universe that you created, that you influenced, and in return influenced you. Your dreams your reality your life is only limited by your own mind.
arctic knoll
I think it's a lot more meta/serious than it should be if it was in universe, as in in-game.
little rapids
I think by now theres a claim that could be made that any damages were already known / accepted so it wouldnt matter
little rapids
I think it's a lot more meta/serious than it should be if it was in universe, as...
Tbf the main character of mc is literally u
doesnt get a whole lot more meta than that
So the end poem being meta isnt far off
arctic knoll
Meh
lime dust
The concept that Minecraft is part of a dream can be shown to the fact that your spawn point is your bed. That you can escape the horrors of the night by escaping into your sleep.
But the poem has something to say about that as well...
"and the universe said you are the night
and the universe said the darkness you fight is within you"
You don't need to fear the night it is a part of you just like the light.
"and the universe said the light you seek is within you"
little rapids
Ye this is why i say end poem not canon traditionally
little rapids
The concept that Minecraft is part of a dream can be shown to the fact that your...
Your spawn point can also be a generalized point in the (relative) center of the ow or near a Respawn Anchor
dream idea doesn't really hold with these
arctic knoll
Or when you first spawn it.
little rapids
Ya
Idt dream is meant in the sense of like rem/nighttime sleeping dreams
Moreso conceptually what they are
ideas and thoughts and feelings that are hyper unique to you
lime dust
Hang on guys I'm trying to finish typing everything up I'll go back and read all your responses in a bit
But the game alludes to something else you need to keep in mind that they're trying to tell you that you're trapped in a dream that you created for yourself... There are parts of the world where you cannot sleep. Where beds explode. Where your compass your sense of direction has no bearing.
A place that feeds on souls and it's inhabitants are controlled by greed.
Or a place that is barren, dominated by a dragon that is trapped and forced to stay alive but never live. A place that stares into the void
little rapids
Cool symbolism but unlikely
arctic knoll
This depends on if it is canon...
little rapids
ya
lime dust
The game goes on to suggest that one of the entities within the conversation has created this dream for you but then it goes on to say that you are the same as that entity except you don't think so yet. They are everything you THINK you're not
arctic knoll
Yet you are. Deep.
little rapids
The game goes on to suggest that one of the entities within the conversation has...
Which one / which line?
arctic knoll
This thread is 6 months old.
lime dust
Which one / which line?
Give me a second I'll find the screenshot for you let me finish what I'm trying to say
I know I'm going on for a long time but... It's a pretty deep story actually
....This is where we start to enter the second Theme... The universe. The two entities speaking begin to describe the universe as being planets and stars, electrons and protons, words, computer code, and even their true identity. An identity that you share with them but haven't figured out yet. We are all smaller parts of a larger whole interconnected and vastly important more than we realize.
The poem seems to say that you have a huge importance to the universe that you are not small within it. At the universe loves you. Your actions matter and have significance. And that when you harm the universe you're only harming yourself because you are part of it.
arctic knoll
Take a deep dive beneath the waves
lime dust
But they say that you aren't ready for the full truth and suggest that you're not at a high enough level to understand... That some things are beyond your understanding. That they can't give you the full truth... So they will reveal it to you within a story. the story of MINECRAFT
In the story of Minecraft you find the answers to the universe and its meaning
You are thrown back into the game once again back to where you started.
To discover it's hidden secrets and discover your place in the universe.
And that's where Minecraft lore comes in...
You begin to learn about the players that came before you. The harm they did to their dream, and how when they harmed others they harmed themselves. They harmed the universe they harmed each other.
You in a story about how everyone is interconnected
You slowly but surely start finding out about the history and the sad story it tells. About others that came before you and did not understand their importance and the fact that the universe loved them
You're supposed to learn from their mistakes. Realize you're importance and that you're loved. And by loving and accepting others and the universe you are loving and accepting yourself.
If you decide to follow in the paths of the players before you it will lead to your destruction.
lime dust
Which one / which line?
This is the part where they say they're going to give you a story
And that is the part where they say that they are everything you THINK you're not
lime dust
Anyways that's what I was trying to say earlier. I understand that the poem is not accepted by everyone I understand that it's controversial but I do think it's important. I think that it wasn't important it would have been removed. Also I think the person (Notch) who created the game in the first place is not irrelevant or outdated nor was the story he was originally trying to tell ( even if he included other people's ideas ). And I do believe that many in mojang/Microsoft try to keep that Spirit alive. And continue to add to the story.
oblique igloo
since when do we discuss end poem lore in the end poem lore thread
quasi gulch
It breaks the fourth wall.
And isnt even located in the acctual gameplay but in the credits
Like, are we going to assume that the settings are canon too ?
little rapids
How is that comparable lol
Breaking the fourth wall doesn't do anything to its canonicity either due to you already being canon. If anything it makes it more likely to be canon in this context specifically
steep prairie
wifies made a theory video a long time ago about this, the end poem is what wifies says 2 gods. steve is the only one left of the “ancient builders” (just watch retrogaming, he has a video about it) steve frees the end (that’s why the advancement is called like that) the 2 gods are proud at steve because he frees the end and they talk about him
raven comet
what
Steve isn't even real
you realize that right?
Steve isn't canon
he's just a default character
little rapids
Unca on
raven comet
i mean sometimes default characters can be canon for certain games (like fortnite) but the devs of Minecraft said that steve, alex, and the other default skins don't have anything to do with the lore
tbh idk where there said that but i know they did, so if anyone has the source to it, before i find it, please send it here
raven comet
thanks
lime dust
Guys I would like to point out that even the game appears to break the fourth wall... Let you know that you're a player in a game.
That's what those music discs are about
Some of the music discs are from your world...like "Mall"
little rapids
Idt there is much to say Mall specifically references anything irl
the discs are more than likely an ingame thing than dealing with the real world
lime dust
Okay so the thing is the music discs are kind of strange I think we can all agree that they're strange they are weird there's something off about them
Their themes are all over the place
Some of them reference things that are IRL
little rapids
Not really
lime dust
Some of them reference things that are in the game like cats
little rapids
they could but there isnt a lot to suggest they do
lime dust
And some of them seem to be recordings with some lore in them...
raven comet
ooo nice
little rapids
We dont know what they reference
raven comet
some more free XP
little rapids
Their implementation is really strange tho
raven comet
jk
lime dust
Allays interact with them. You can build a jukebox it's not like this is game sounds that only you can hear hear
raven comet
the only ones that are strange are 5, 11, and 13
lime dust
Do you see any malls around minecraft?
little rapids
the leading theory at first for Cat & 13 for awhile was that they were the loot discs bc they were the first ones, and this just never got updated. But then Bedrock added i think wait and mellohi to some chests, and now Cat & 13 are back at it again in Ancient Cities
little rapids
Do you see any malls around minecraft?
Do we know what mall means in minecraft
If there are no malls, how do we know it references what we know to be a mall
raven comet
exactly
lime dust
Because the fourth wall is being broken hun they're letting you know that you are in a game
That other world's exist that you're part of
Other dreams...
little rapids
my q is how do we know theyre breaking it
raven comet
a sheltered walk or promenade.
a section of a street, typically in the downtown area of a city, from which vehicular traffic is excluded.
little rapids
What context do we have to assyme mall means what we know mall means irl
raven comet
also with this definition, I'd say a sheltered market would qualify too
lime dust
my q is how do we know theyre breaking it
In the poem you need to understand that they say they're telling you a story but they're being cautious about how they tell it to you so it doesn't blow your head
Basically
little rapids
also with this definition, I'd say a sheltered market would qualify too
I think busy works too
lime dust
So everything that involves lore is really ambiguous
Nothing is directly told to you it's Minecraft
little rapids
The end poem cant really be taken seriously to open up the 4th wall for other items
lime dust
You have to figure it out using the clues
raven comet
and if i remember correctly, i think MCD has a sheltered market area
lime dust
And one of the clues is there are music discs with references of another world that you come from
raven comet
could definitely be wrong, it's been a while since I've played it
lime dust
You are a player brought to that world...
You are not a native of it
You guys really should watch The neverending story by the way
little rapids
And one of the clues is there are music discs with references of another world t...
There are music discs but again we dont have much info to suggest that they target irl objects
lime dust
I do think it would help you understand Minecraft better
little rapids
The neverending story isnt related to mc to my knowledge
lime dust
It's another story where the reader is able to interact with another world that they don't believe is real and then they realize is
little rapids
if you want media that shows what mc could metaphorically be about id watch Everything Everywhere All At Once
lime dust
But thier actions matter very very much and has a huge influence on that world
That movie also references dreams as a metaphor for life
little rapids
which is cool but isnt mc
lime dust
And considering the age of the creators of Minecraft they probably were influenced by The NeverEnding story
little rapids
Stretch
lime dust
Oh my God you just like to argue to argue right? You're just wanting to be contrary?
little rapids
prove it first and ill be contrary
raven comet
-13
-cat
-blocks
-chirp
-far
-mall
-mellohi
-stal
-strad
-ward
-11
-wait
-pigstep
-otherside
-5
little rapids
otherwise im just stating the obvious i feel like
lime dust
You yourself earlier on admitted that several times the developers told you that you were a gamer brought to that world
little rapids
-13
-cat
-blocks
-chirp
-far
-mall
-mellohi
-stal
-strad
-ward
-11
-wait
-pigste...
Yoo is that in order
raven comet
those are all of the disca
lime dust
The end credits tell you that you're a gamer
raven comet
idk
little rapids
The end credits tell you that you're a gamer
Sentenced to gaming
lime dust
Minecraft itself shows you that you're a gamer with the music discs
lime dust
One of the only things that you can obviously say was intentionally placed
little rapids
You yourself earlier on admitted that several times the developers told you that...
not a gamer, a player. human
lime dust
For the purpose of telling a damn story
little rapids
Minecraft itself shows you that you're a gamer with the music discs
pls elaborate
lime dust
You are a player a human...
raven comet
can we stick to one point
lime dust
Which is the same thing the end porm tells you
raven comet
i want to go back to the discs
lime dust
You're not a native of that world
It is not earth
It is a game
Intended for only you
raven comet
-13
-cat
-blocks
-chirp
-far
-mall
-mellohi
-stal
-strad
-ward
-11
-wait
-pigstep
-otherside
-5
lime dust
To tell you a story
A story to open your eyes
And tell you that you're important to the universe
raven comet
which of these disc refer to something outside of the game
raven comet
I'm genuinely curious
lime dust
Mellohi is an instrument that does not exist in Minecraft
Malls don't exist in Minecraft
little rapids
Does that mean they absolutely must refer to irl tho
words are tiven meaning via context
What is the context
lime dust
Hang on
raven comet
also stal is apparently in reference to steel, which at first you may be thinking that steel doesn't exist in Minecraft, but technically it does in some way
lime dust
I'm going to have to tell you about 80s culture
raven comet
it's just in reference to iron
lime dust
As a 90s kid it's still existed
And my brother was from the '80s so this is going to take some time
raven comet
because you use iron to make a flint and steel
lime dust
Also by the way I just want to point out that Minecraft is trying to reference The NeverEnding story
In the end poem that you want to argue
An 80s movie
little rapids
Where is referenced
lime dust
Give me a second it's 9:00 I have to go wake up my roommate get her breakfast and stuff
Brb
But honestly you don't even need to take my word for it you can take the time to watch Eyecraftmcs video
He talks about the confusion of the music discs he references the music disc Mallori and he came up with a different conclusion because he wasn't taking the end poem in mind when making it
That you are a player from another world in a dream
A dream that is there to teach you something
I'll be back why don't you guys go watch that video
little rapids
End poem doesn't really make u out as separate from mc tbh
lime dust
Yes it specifically calls Minecraft a dream the short dream where you dreamed you were a miner
raven comet
ok wait
lime dust
Perhaps you should take the time to look up on YouTube a reading of the end poem as well
raven comet
do you have any evidence
lime dust
Seriously guys I got to go
raven comet
at all
raven comet
...
lime dust
What specific evidence do you want?
raven comet
literally any piece of evidence at all
lime dust
I mentioned several things you ignore all of them because it goes against your confirmation biased about what you think the game is
raven comet
even just a TINY thread of evidence
lime dust
The bed the day night cycle the fact that even the developers call you a player
little rapids
Theres no confirmation bias
lime dust
The music discs
little rapids
End poem has been said to b not canon
raven comet
the only evidence i saw were things that were literally confirmed to be false
little rapids
though most if not all of its ideas still hold rigid to mc
so i take it seriously but not in the traditional way
lime dust
Oh I'm sorry I referenced the wrong YouTuber when I said they made a video on it
Retro gaming the guy who's Discord you're currently on
He discussed is the music disc go look at it
Me and him disagree about what those music discs mean
But both of us agree that they are referencing real life
Go look it up I have to deal with my roommate
little rapids
Go look it up I have to deal with my roommate
Yuh ive watched it
gleaming sail
A game theory
raven comet
just because you agree doesn't mean everyone does
gleaming sail
Thanks for watching
raven comet
like we have been saying, the disc can be interpreted as referencing things that exist in Minecraft
lime dust
Hang on I got a second I found the keyboard that mellohi is referencing. Keyboard is called and melaton it's a instrument that was popular in the '80s. Mellohi appears to be one of the songs that was preset on that keyboard
raven comet
what
lime dust
Another song that is referenced from your real life and put into the game is Chopin
The funeral march
These are references from real life... That are put into the game to let you know that you're in a dream
The same dream that is referenced in the end poem
raven comet
alright
here's the thing
you still have yet to provide evidence stating that the poem is canon
lime dust
Everything that I put forward you tell me doesn't matter and isn't evidence
You seem to want to argue you don't want to see my point whether you agree with it or not you're refusing to even understand my point
You don't think that beds blowing up is proof that you're in a dream
You don't think that your bed being part of your spawn has any significance
raven comet
and considering it was already confirmed not to be. refusing to provide evidence means that i can't take your theory seriously
lime dust
Or the fact that phantoms haunt you when you don't sleep matters
You just write it off because it does not go with your preconceived ideas
raven comet
i write it off because you have yet to provide actually evidence stating that the developers went back on the poem not being canon
lime dust
I bring up evidence that the music references your real life... there are some music discs from your other life your real life ( the Long dream)
raven comet
using things that existed before the poem is not sufficient evidence
lime dust
And other music discs that come from the Minecraft world or ( the short dream)
raven comet
because they're already confirmed to not be linked to the poem
lime dust
using things that existed before the poem is not sufficient evidence
To me it has even more significance because it means that they continue to use the in poem as it's significant piece of information even after it was created
That they still kept on referencing the fact that you're in a dream and that you are a PLAYER
Even the developers keep on calling you a player
What I find hilarious is you enjoy arguing with me I doubt you even read the poem or tried to
Your intentionally being contrary.
raven comet
I'm thinking logically
lime dust
Logically speaking I don't know of any other game that has beds exploding as a game mechanic
They intentionally put it into your game to tell you something
Upon death it even says that it was intentionally designed that way
raven comet
the fact that you say that every who disagrees with you "is arguing just to argue" means you lack faith in your "evidence"
lime dust
No I mean you specifically you are intentionally being contrary
raven comet
both the end and nether rapidly shift between day and night
lime dust
There's no daylight cycle there
Daylight cycle is actually a very important mechanic in the game
raven comet
would you rather have buggy beds, or have Mojang turn exploding beds into a feature
lime dust
And it has its own lore
raven comet
Why is there no night in the nether?
because Mojang had no reason to have a daylight cycle
it's as simple as that
lime dust
They could have easily designed the nether where a compass worked and there was a day night cycle they intentionally did not because it means something
You're just writing off that it has no meaning
raven comet
the thing with the compasses i agree with
lime dust
It's just part of the game
If you can't explain it you write it off
If someone else tries to explain it to you you tell them they're wrong
That's called confirmation biased
raven comet
however, like i said, there's no deeper meaning behind the end and nether having no daylight cycle
lime dust
however, like i said, there's no deeper meaning behind the end and nether having...
Because you say so?
little rapids
These are references from real life... That are put into the game to let you kno...
Mc, and plenty other fictional media, references things irl
raven comet
no because there's no evidence pointing towards that
little rapids
Sort of
raven comet
also both of those are wrong
lime dust
also both of those are wrong
Because you think so?
little rapids
slime spawns are just higher in swamps the closer the moon is to full (i think?)
raven comet
zombies spawn in caves as well, and slimes can also spawn in swamps and lush caves
little rapids
do u mean slimes spawn in caves
lime dust
Yes the moon cycles matter because the Moon is magical it has a magical element to it in the game
It affects the mobs
raven comet
yes, but specifically lush caves
lime dust
The only other place you find slimes is in slime chunks or as you put lush caves because those are underground
little rapids
?? Where u get that info
lime dust
They have no access to the Moon
raven comet
anyways, what does the daylight cycle have to do with dreams anyways
lime dust
anyways, what does the daylight cycle have to do with dreams anyways
When do most people sleep hun and dream
Why is your spawn point a bed?
raven comet
They have no access to the Moon
alright hold on... do the mobs need the moon to spawn or not
lime dust
It could have been anything...
lime dust
alright hold on... do the mobs need the moon to spawn or not
Look at the slimes in the swamp biome they are affected by the moon
little rapids
Why is your spawn point a bed?
Itisnt
quasi gulch
Guys I would like to point out that even the game appears to break the fourth wa...
Wheat is also from irl
little rapids
mine is a respawn anchir
lime dust
Look at the zombies hordes that invade villagers they are affected by the moon
raven comet
you're right, it could have. the spawn point could have been a rubber duck. would that mean that the rubber duck meant anything?
lime dust
By the way do you know what else spawns during the full moon?
lime dust
Mobs with more enchanted armor than other times and black cats
quasi gulch
And slimes in swamp biomes
lime dust
diamond armour gang
Yes
lime dust
black cats
Yes
raven comet
also if beds relate to dreams then why are there no dreams in Minecraft
little rapids
Dream minecraft?!!!
lime dust
Because you're already in a dream and that's what it's trying to tell you
lime dust
And there are places that represent bad states of mind that have metaphorical meanings where you are incapable of dreaming it is the absence of dreams
little rapids
it doesnt mean a dream in the sense like ur sleepin at night dream
lime dust
Depression and despair
By the way in The neverending story there were lands that represented this as well
raven comet
why do you keep going back to The Neverending story
lime dust
Lands that took your dreams
quasi gulch
Well, MCD, Rotai and MCL show the MC world as an acctual fictional world and not just a dream
little rapids
Everything Everywhere All At Once is more similar to mc tbh
raven comet
if you want to start being taken more seriously, stop calling back to non-minecraft things
lime dust
Well, MCD, Rotai and MCL show the MC world as an acctual fictional world and not...
Yes the thing is you're not just having some random dream a dream that doesn't mean anything...
little rapids
Well, MCD, Rotai and MCL show the MC world as an acctual fictional world and not...
That doesnt do much
Can be both
raven comet
what
lime dust
To try to explain to you why you're important to the universe things that you can't understand yet so they'll explain it to you in a dream
They are feeding you a story so you can find your place in the universe
raven comet
what entities
lime dust
Purple dragon I'm not going to discuss this with you specifically you anymore until you take the time to go read that poem
Stop telling me that it's wrong when you haven't even read it and you don't know what the entities are
raven comet
bro
little rapids
end poemers
lime dust
Go read the poem before you argue and say that the poem is wrong
raven comet
get that through your brain
little rapids
Yall calm
lime dust
You narrow minded egocentric arrogant troll
little rapids
kalm
raven comet
it has nothing to do with Minecraft other than being a fun easter egg
quasi gulch
By the way do you know what else spawns during the full moon?
By the way, in Rotai its said that the staff of the nameless one (the strongest necromancer knowen to us) is conected to the moon
raven comet
i have
little rapids
contents dont determine canonicity
lime dust
Why are you even in this chat you can opt out
You are literally arguing with people about whether or not the poem is important and you haven't even read the poem
raven comet
i quite literally have
lime dust
raven comet
and you saying i haven't won't change the facts
lime dust
Then how come you don't know what the two entities are?
little rapids
The poem's contents dont change whether or not it is canon
purple is arguing it isnt canon
raven comet
you said "entities" not specifying which ones
little rapids
not rly for much else
quasi gulch
By the way, have we all forgoten that the end poem isnt even owned by mojang and mojang has no rights to it ? Meaning that the end poem isnt even part of the official MC franchise
little rapids
you said "entities" not specifying which ones
when ppl say end poem entities it normally means the speakers in the poem
thats irrelevant tbh
Thats only a detail made public like not even a year ago
raven comet
also I'm not arguing against the idea that the poem has lore... just that the lore is in no way whatsoever connected to Minecraft
lime dust
what entities
What entities do you think I was talking about Obama and trump?
raven comet
no, i thought you were talking about your two brain cells
little rapids
Thats only a detail made public like not even a year ago
and even if it were, its technically public use
so
love talking about mc then getting into any degree of law
raven comet
but for real, I'm still waiting for you to provide valid evidence for the connection between Minecraft and the poem. if you cannot do that, accept that they're not connected, and analyze them separately
little rapids
yea theyre best done separately anyway
little rapids
god 13 and cat are interesting
raven comet
if you can provide anything, i will be willing to take your theory seriously
nothing huh?
lime dust
I'm allowed to walk away from the phone
I already gave you evidence you keep on saying it doesn't matter and saying that I'm not giving any
You saying I haven't explained myself doesn't change the fact I have doesn't change the fact that I give you evidence besides why would I keep on speaking to you when all you want to do is argue and you don't want to hear my side?
raven comet
you have not
lime dust
You and specifically you purple dragon are intentionally being antagonistic argumentative and contrary
raven comet
the only evidence that could work is beds and you have not stated in detail how they are specifically linked to the poem
lime dust
And then you keep on poking at me and saying that I need to give you evidence why would I continue speaking to you specifically? About this subject you're not interested in hearing someone else's viewpoints and their perspective on it
It appears that your intention is to purposely argue only thing you're interested in is the argument
raven comet
i quite literally am interested in hearing it
lime dust
So at this point I'm considering you a troll and I'm going to ignore you and respond to other people's questions
raven comet
i just want to hear points that actually work
lime dust
- Developers call you a player and a human. The end poem calls you a player in a human.
- Both try to explain to you that you are in a game dropped into the game in some manner
raven comet
you need to accept that people will provide counter arguments to theories whenever they can. not to be argumentative but to help evolve the theory
lime dust
- The end poem explains to you that you are a player and a dream that they designed for you so that they could tell you a story to help you see the truth
- There are references in the game that tried to break the fourth wall and let you realize that you are dreaming
- Exploding beds, day night cycles being magical, music discs that reference your real life
raven comet
ok, the first two points are decent, and the fifth is passable, but i would like to hear more about the other two.
lime dust
- It does not change the significance of the story or the Lore
raven comet
specifically the third one
lime dust
- The story and still needs to be told but you are in a story
raven comet
you mention the end poem but not the game itself
do you mind explaining the link between the two that you're getting at with that Point?
lime dust
you mention the end poem but not the game itself
I'm sorry I didn't understand that sentence
Can you elaborate your question?
raven comet
oh sorry i misspelled game xd
lime dust
Okay so in the end poem it explains to you that you are significant that you are important and that you are loved by the universe that you are stronger than you know and that your actions matter. And it's trying to tell you that your limitations are only in your mind.
But the entities go on to say that you haven't reached the highest level of understanding yet so they want to tell you a story
This is where you are placed into Minecraft yet again in the same place that you first spawned
But now you are armed with new information you know how you got into Minecraft and what you're supposed to be searching for answers to existential crisis questions...
You're supposed to find out what the story is that's being told to you
raven comet
alright can i ask something
raven comet
the story would already be complete once you beat the ender dragon, so what more to the story would there be left to tell?
lime dust
Yeah that's the point the poem tells you that the story is not complete
This is why you need to read the poem
raven comet
i did
lime dust
It's telling you that they're trying to tell you something within the short story
I'm sorry the short dream
little rapids
We mimecraft
lime dust
About your significance in the universe
And so you go back into Minecraft and you're supposed to find out that information
Here's the things that you learn once you start uncovering the lore of the game
That there were gamers before you you weren't the first
raven comet
ok, but there's not really a story left to be told after beating the game, other than the end cities and ships
little rapids
gaming gamers??
lime dust
These players before you influenced the world that they have been placed in
But they weren't aware of their importance in the world and they corrupted the world through trying to harm it for their own selfish means
Their search for eternal life
For power and control
They didn't realize that they were part of the universe and that everything was interconnected
And as they destroyed the world around them the people around them they only destroyed themselves
And now they walk the world as undead... Because they value the eternal life not realizing they already had it
little rapids
is undead even all that bad
lime dust
The lesson that you learn in Minecraft is when you harm your environment when you harm others you harm yourself that's where the Lore comes in
You also learn that you are only limited by your imagination
little rapids
idt that is the point but smth like that
lime dust
That you can be anything you want to be you can create anything
little rapids
the point of the end poem is that it sums up mc
lime dust
And that you have more power than you know that your mind is your limit
Which is why it's a sandbox game
little rapids
it doesn't rly speak to internal lore
lime dust
That's why I kept on telling you that the poem does not add or take away from the Lore it's explaining to you why you're being exposed to that lore
It's explaining the why...
Why are you there...
little rapids
Ok u were making it sound like it is part of it
lime dust
How did you get there...
The lore explains what it all means...
The Lore is the story that the entities are showing you exposing you to so that you can open your eyes and wake up
Wake up to the knowledge that you are important
WAKE UP
little rapids
i get that the end poem is deep but it aint that deep
lime dust
When you harm the universe you harm yourself because you are the universe everything is interconnected WAKE UP
Stop hurting yourself love yourself the universe loves you you are important and you are loved WAKE UP
You are stronger than you know WAKE UP
They are giving you a dream so that you can wake up
And Minecraft is that dream world. Minecraft is the story they give you
Okay so now here's where it gets confusing for you guys...
They are you and you are them
You are giving yourself this dream
YOU create your own dreams
little rapids
shoot
little rapids
Thats an unknown
lime dust
The poem tells you
little rapids
the poem isnt canon traditionally
whats to say we take the poem more seriously than say, a random guess
lime dust
Okay but it was important enough where it was never removed from the game
lime dust
And even the developers keep on saying that you are human
little rapids
in the game =/= canon
lime dust
And even the developers keep on saying that you are a player
The same things The entity tries to tell you
You're not part of that world you're not one of it's inhabitants
You are put there
Basically you are an alien to that world but you're not the first one who came
lime dust
How about the fact that you spawn in with nothing and nobody that looks like you and it appears a lot of time has passed since anyone that looked like you has lived there
How did you get there how are you born? How did you arrive where were you before...
And it's not like you spawned in there as a child
little rapids
What says ur alien doe
little rapids
And you say ur not the first who came as if the others are alien
lime dust
When I say alien I don't mean alien from outer space I mean alien do not belong came from somewhere else
little rapids
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lime dust
For example enderman or aliens to the overworld
Because they came from a different dimension
little rapids
and thats what we need evidence for
lime dust
The proof is that you exist where you should not
little rapids
that us n other builders / players / humans are that
little rapids
The proof is that you exist where you should not
What do we use to say we should or should not exist there
little rapids
What about it
lime dust
How do you explain it? Unless you were poofed into existence over there
lime dust
The poem tells you that you are a player that the dream was created to you and that you were placed in a dream
The short dream is what Minecraft is called
The long dream is your real life
It explains to you that dreams are reality
And they're placing you in a different one
That's why it seems like you were plucked from somewhere else and just placed in that world
lime dust
You put up some images earlier hun
little rapids
the humans ones
lime dust
Your own images tell you that you're a player
little rapids
Ye
lime dust
And that the zombies are placeholders for other players who died
little rapids
but none of those state our origins in mc
gleaming sail
Everything's a dream
lime dust
Everything's a dream
Exactly
gleaming sail
You are not real
lime dust
They actually talk about life being a dream
gleaming sail
Nothing matters
lime dust
Insinuating that one dream is no more important than the other
lime dust
Nothing matters
Not true
gleaming sail
Give yourself over to the void
lime dust
lime dust
Actually the end poem disagrees with nihilism
Nihilism says that you are small compared to the universe that you have no significance
little rapids
not rly
lime dust
The poem says the opposite
little rapids
Its just positive nihilism
lime dust
That you are part of the universe that you are very important that you are loved and special
lime dust
Its just positive nihilism
Something like that it was intended to be gibberish to hide the actual meaning Minecraft is supposed to be ambiguous... And they explain why they're being ambiguous in the end poem
It's a story that contains the truth safely caged in words not naked truth that can burn over any distance
Earlier in the poem it talks about how we receive information
How we interpret it
That is how it chooses to imagine many things, when it is deep in the dream of a game.
Words make a wonderful interface. Very flexible. And less terrifying than staring at the reality behind the screen.
rapid oak
The lesson that you learn in Minecraft is when you harm your environment when yo...
That isn't at all the lesson Minecraft is trying to teach
You can burn forests, commit genocide against villagers and blow up Mountains with no consequences
lime dust
That isn't at all the lesson Minecraft is trying to teach
There are players that came before you players that you slowly realize were once like you there was an apocalyptic event that harmed them...
Something bad happened and you start to discover through the game their past
A past that involved them messing with trying to gain eternal life, manipulating the lives and souls of others
And how it eventually led to their demise
rapid oak
There are players that came before you players that you slowly realize were once...
Who were this players exactly?
lime dust
That their actions on the universe that harmed the universe in the end harm themselves
And now you see them every night wondering as skeletons and zombies
lime dust
Who were this players exactly?
In Minecraft most people are now calling them the ancient builders
At some point that term caught on
rapid oak
If they were players, that means that they would have been able to respawn
lime dust
But there were players that arrived before you
That built that stuff and destroyed the world
By harming the universe they harmed themselves because they and the universe are the same everyone is interconnected
rapid oak
If they were players, that means that they would have been able to respawn
If they were able to respawn, how did they die to become the undead?
lime dust
But you're right Minecraft is letting you know that you have a choice that you are capable of anything
Will you choose to be in harmony with the universe or will you fight against it and not realize you're importance within it
lime dust
If they were able to respawn, how did they die to become the undead?
Good question probably because they're not dead they're undead
That's what happens when you screw with necromancy and try to gain eternal life
They can't respawn because they're not dead
rapid oak
Good question probably because they're not dead they're undead
Why are some of them zombies and other skeletons, then? The fact that there are undead at different stages of decay implies that they were dead and were reanimated at different times after deads
lime dust
Why are some of them zombies and other skeletons, then? The fact that there are ...
Good question I have no clue.
But it doesn't change the fact that the mobs that look like you the player... The ones that seem to have been from the same race
Are now all undead
lime dust
not all humans are zombified
Which ones are you talking about?
coral zealot
Minecraft Dungeons
lime dust
Are you talking about multiplayer worlds and players that join with you?
Yes
Okay I don't know much about Minecraft dungeons
coral zealot
Me neither but I know the basics
lime dust
But I will say that other players joining you doesn't change the fact that the players before you became undead
coral zealot
Why are some of them zombies and other skeletons, then? The fact that there are ...
If you want more detailed information, ask him
lime dust
You guys are arriving after that event...
Honestly I don't want to mix Minecraft vanilla with Minecraft dungeons because I'm never going to play Minecraft dungeons
And it does irritate me to think that I have to play an entirely different game in order to understand the lore and the game that I'm already playing...
lime dust
I apologize but I don't like this whole multiverse cluster 🤬