the ancient builders didn't exist

[raw ore]

villager de-evolution theory

[obsidian raven]

Yes

That

Exactly

They forgot to reduce their heads cause those held a big brain

That's how they built those structures

They used to be smart

[short kettle]

your theory gets obliterated by the existence of zombies

[raw ore]

ok and

we didnt ask + L + cringe + Yarrrgh + Plundered + Dung eater

(/j)

[obsidian raven]

Zombies are just the player's reanimated corpse after they die and respawn

Same with skeletons

And other humanoid undead creatures

[fickle glacier]

So if a player has a skin of - let's say - a fishman, why would their reanimated form be human?

[obsidian raven]

because skins aren't canon

easy 🤷‍♂️

[fickle glacier]

And how do we dissect certain gameplay features from being canon? Because I feel as though that is a huge can of worms...

[tribal thistle]

So, You are gonna tell me that the player died thousands of times all over the world?

Not only that, but also that villagers devolved for no reason?

[obsidian raven]

Pretty much

[obsidian raven]

Also, the evokers made the villagers devolve.

[tribal thistle]

that's a completely surreal idea

[tribal thistle]

Proof?

[obsidian raven]

You got proof they didn't?

[tribal thistle]

Where?

[obsidian raven]

Wdym where?

[tribal thistle]

Where is the proof?

[obsidian raven]

They use magic plus they hate villagers

Pretty obvious they were the ones

[tribal thistle]

That doesn't proof they have magic to devolve a living creature

[obsidian raven]

They use vexes, which are pretty similar to allays, meaning they must've corrupted allays, so they could've done a similar thing by corrupting villager's brains and making them dumb

[tribal thistle]

The fact that vexes are similar doesn't made them necessarily corrupted allays, they could just be creatures of similar origin, the illagers themselves are obviously similar to villagers and that doesn't made them corrupted villagers

Also there is no correlation between corrupting and delvolving

[obsidian raven]

I mean corruption isn't essentially making things evil

Eh i don't have much evidence to support my point you win

But i still believe in my opinion

[fickle glacier]

I think there is a case that villagers and therefore Illagers are an off-shoot species to humans/ancient builders (like Neanderthals and Homo Sapiens). But ultimately, no matter whether the ancient builders were villagers of humans it doesn't really matter - people built the structures, and they are ancient. But I think when we apply Occum's Razor, the idea that ancient builders were human gives more answers than the Villager theory. Even after the Classical Maya collapse or the Roman collapse people still held many cultural elements - the Villagers seem to be so far removed from the motifs we see in ruins across all dimensions that to argue that they made them is an uphill battle; worth asking mind you, always healthy to be a Devil's Advocate.

[short kettle]

but there are skeletons in the nether before we open a portal

[exotic dock]

villagers actually have the same skeleton like the ancient builders had. In the minecraft dungeons creepy crypt level you can see the grave of a royal guard. It also has a normal skeleton and Villagers and Illagers are pretty much the same species. I know this post doesnt have the Mcd Tag but its still a fact that would proof this a little bit. I myself do not believe in this theory since kingbdogz literally said something about the ancient builders and there is just too much speaking against this theory.

[sinful comet]

If the Villagers built everything, then why do we not see them in the End or Nether? There are structures there as well yet no evidence of Villagers.

Yet, evidence of Humans such as the ABs.

[subtle ibex]

Then what is the player

Created by illagers?

[short kettle]

was kt mentioned that it was a villager?

[obsidian raven]

some random dude who spawned in cause yes

[obsidian raven]

there's no food there other than chorus fruit, and also chorus fruit can teleport you off into the void, so pretty obvious what happened

and with the nether there's no food overall, they just died out

[versed sparrow]

the villagers are the ancient builders.

[sinful comet]

Hoglins:

[short kettle]

mushrooms:

[short kettle]

you cant land in the void, only on solid blocks

[sinful comet]

Also, by saying this, you basically admit there were ABs, 'they died out'.

[arctic bramble]

Look up the egg short story on YouTube it’s relevant here

[lament kraken]

Hoglins and mushrooms moment

[lament kraken]

You must be extremely stupid to eat chorus fruit next to the Void. It's range is also quite small, so eating fruit in most big End islands is safe

[lament kraken]

That contradicts the times Mojang has portrayed villagers and illagers with a larger skull.

also tbh there's nothing stopping that from just being a human skull lmao

[exotic dock]

They didnt do that anywhere

[lament kraken]

They did.

[exotic dock]

maybe fan made animations did but not official mojang things

[lament kraken]

Let me just search for the image

[exotic dock]

ok

ill wait

[lament kraken]

That took me longer than needed

I would use Legends skeletons, but I already consider the game to be mostly unreliable

also the skeletons in that game literally have noses lmao

[exotic dock]

that isnt a direct picture of a skeleton illager but I guess it counts

is this a texture of a raid captain banner?

there is only one problem with it

those effects and banners normally dont have textures directly out of the game

[lament kraken]

I'ts a banner, idk from who

[lament kraken]

?

[exotic dock]

its from a mystery captain

[lament kraken]

Oh cool

[exotic dock]

some show real organs or other shapes of skulls

[lament kraken]

Ok?

[exotic dock]

take poison for example

there is clearly a skull that doesnt fit anywhere

[lament kraken]

Image

[exotic dock]

this skull doesnt even have a proper jaw or something. It was probably just created by the illagers to intimidate their enemies or its the skull of the bad omen face

which is also not real

[lament kraken]

Its still a lager skull lmao, and they drew themselves with a larger one. Also, drawing skulls without jaws is a common thing and I don't see how that proves anything

[exotic dock]

we even see inside that game that mobs have smaller skulls than their heads by the statue of the creeper in the chest opening room

[lament kraken]

w

[exotic dock]

and where are the villager skeletons if they arent the normal ones.

[lament kraken]

That's like saying why there aren't zombie villagers in MCD. There aren't any because Mojang has no reason to, and they have already scrapped such simple things as zombie villagers from the game, I doubt we will see literal skeletons.

[exotic dock]

well thats because the zombies are under the illagers control. They capture the villagers and dont zombify them

[lament kraken]

Yes, only creepers. Also, the proportions aren't even changed at all, unlike what you're proposing for lager skeletons.

[lament kraken]

Ah yes, and indeed there were no zombie villagers before the illagers took over, indeed

Also fyi, the illagers do not control the entire undead, the Nameless One does (at least in the main continent)

Archie just recieved a small chunk, meanwhile the actual undead king has control over pretty much every one in the continent, plus necromancers can control them as well

[exotic dock]

they could be just very rare so that the player hasnt found a zombie villager yet. That is like how illagers mass produced redstone golem and we fight like 3 of them in a playthrough

[lament kraken]

That's just extremely unlikely

[exotic dock]

its like how steve found the first wandering trader after 10 whole years in 1.14

[lament kraken]

Updating versions is not canon but ok

[exotic dock]

if they arent in the game it doesnt mean they dont exist

thats what im trying to tell

[lament kraken]

Unrelated to the conversation but k

and tbf that even proves my point, just because we don't see villager skeletons doesn't mean they don't exist nor have a different apperance.

[exotic dock]

you were suddenly talking about zombie villagers

[lament kraken]

ok?

[exotic dock]

there are two things speaking against my theory

mobestiary is saying they use their huge brains for trading

and a random banner

[lament kraken]

The mobestiary is not reliable nor trustful

and yes, a banner that literally has a large skull

[exotic dock]

piglin snouts on banners also doesnt have the proper shape

the same for the flower pattern

[lament kraken]

They do though, just bigger

anyway, I'll just to use your logic, the only thing supports your theory is just a random skeleton that doesn't even have custom textures or anything, and is in the same game that has mistakes like putting fricking End portals frames in the Gale or floating candles. Putting much effort into a skeleton that will probably not be given attention by much people is not really the best priority either, especially when its head is barely covered by a helmet

that doesn't take into account camera angles and the position of the skeleton, which just makes making a specific model for this random skeleton even less of a priority

[exotic dock]

yes and I still believe my theory

[lament kraken]

Oki, I classify this discussion as worthless then

goodbye

[exotic dock]

I know right

[cinder atlas]

Im just gonna drop this here and disappear

[junior hatch]

What if Ancient Builders ARE Endermen?

[obsidian raven]

I disagree

Anyways I'mma just close the thread-

[tribal thistle]

How?

[subtle ibex]

how