Hypothesis of Common Ancestry among Mobs and Humanoids

[bronze zinc]

tags fixed, thought i had to delete the thread to change them

This thread is not a theory in itself but instead a straightforward analysis of the evidence to be used in other theories.

Part 1, analysing humanoid skull shapes and limb sizes:

The Minecraft skeleton is a good source of information for analysing humanoid skeletal similarities

The Minecraft skeleton has a decently large brain size but smaller than a villager

We will analyze and label parts of various humanoid skulls including guesswork on the villagers brain size and brainsize

[bronze zinc]

if the thread is inactive that just means i am researching

and making data

keep in mind the fossils in the diagram are scaled down and do not represent the real size, the giant fossil has been shrunk to what a normal individual without being giant would ressemble

all the research will be per pixel comparisons

[bronze zinc]

skulls of "humanoid" mobs:

labeled

[acoustic tangle]

cool

humans with this skull size existed. maybe this will help

[bronze zinc]

yeah

those abnormal skulls are a result of some tribal traditions to shape the skull by making a newborn put their head in something to change the growth pattern

But how had they come by their elongated skulls in the first place? Burger has a theory: artificial cranial deformation. The practice—in which infants' skulls are bound repeatedly, with their heads growing into the constricted shape—happened throughout the ancient world, notably in central Asia by the nomadic Huns.

google

[acoustic tangle]

thx

could creeper be related?

nevermind

they are animal plant hybrids, it must be a creation of something

[bronze zinc]

creepers are far removed from the humanoid tree

from the tree

they are a flammable or exploding fungus experiment by people in desert pyramids making life

they arent really part of the family tree since its artificial

[bronze zinc]

quick note: nether fossils are not the same as overworld fossils

information of note: the overworld fossils generate in deserts, swamps, mangrove swamps

so its possible there was a semi aquatic mobs at one point similar to the sniffer

[sick gate]

Among mobs drip

[acoustic tangle]

yes. but it would need to split up before the beak evolves

nevermind, sorry for the ping

this one looks the most like a beak

[bronze zinc]

yeah

[acoustic tangle]

opps, wromg chat

[bronze zinc]

it also looks pig like

tho

[acoustic tangle]

yes but pigs snouts arent bony

[bronze zinc]

time to analyse brain size

[bronze zinc]

BRAIN SIZE OF HUMANOIDS AND FOSSIL SKULLS [per pixel, multiplied 3 dimensions]
192 - piglin
180 - villager
108 - human/steve/alex
18 - normal sized ape fossil skull and living monkey skull
8 - mammoth/cyclops skull thing
40 - pre-piglin[presumably] skull
30 - the fossil with the wide face.

the piglin has the largest brain out of all and the mammoth has the smallest

[cold tide]

Dosent make sense

Isnt the villager skull way bigger ?

[bronze zinc]

the villager skull is slightly bigger than a steves

but its mainly the same

[bronze zinc]

minecraft fossils are around 8000 - 4000 years old relative to when the player first joins the game

[pale delta]

they probably weren’t created in desert pyramids

its like how depictions of chariot on ancient greek potter doesn’t mean that the greeks invented chariots

just because the desert pyramid has creeper imagery, it doesn’t prove that’s where creepers were created

[bronze zinc]

true

[frosty elk]

wow

[cold tide]

The creepers couldnt have been created artificialy (without magic), because it would requier a civilisation to be industrialised to produce so many creepers that they are a common sight in the ow. And we see that no civilisation ik the ow was industrialised (except the illager empire of the arch illager that had 1 factory made by an entity).

But it also makes no sense that the creeper is natural

So we concluded on thiss server that the creeper is an canonical enigma (its also an enigma in the lore)

[pale delta]

it is really that enigmatic?

[cold tide]

Yeah

[pale delta]

how so?

[acoustic tangle]

first: creeper must be able to reproduce. second: when like all the surface cities got destroyed, what makes you think a factory would survive?

also, for the theory itself: could allays and vexes change the tree?

[cold tide]

Evidence for the existance of surface cities with factories ?

[acoustic tangle]

common sense (not the factories), i mean, where do you think they lived?

[cold tide]

On the land itself (as nomads), in villages made out of wood and hay, the structures we will see in archeology and the currently existing structures

[acoustic tangle]

my point is, we cant really know if there were some but we cant also know if there were none

[acoustic tangle]

you think a society made out of nomads had the power to build nether fortresses or mineshafts?

[cold tide]

A civilisation of nomads created the biggest land empire irl

[acoustic tangle]

which?

[cold tide]

The mongol empire

[acoustic tangle]

hm, i dont know anything about them so i cant tell

[cold tide]

Also, did you just say society and not societies ?!?!??!?!?

[acoustic tangle]

you say during a literal zombie apocalypse humanity wouldn’t unite?

[cold tide]

Yes

There is no way humans would unite during a zombie apocalypse

[acoustic tangle]

why?

[cold tide]

Because they are humans

We fight over the most insignificant sheet in existance

[acoustic tangle]

yes but not when the thing is the entire survival of humanity

[cold tide]

You have a lot to learn

[acoustic tangle]

i think you too

[acoustic tangle]

maybe just temporary

[cold tide]

The 1st thing humans do in a calamity/catastrophe is starting a war lol

[acoustic tangle]

yo, we have a bloodlust but we arent retarted

zombie movies just have this future so the plot doesn’t get resolved before it even starts

[acoustic tangle]

did you just called yourself retarted?

[cold tide]

Yes

I did

[bronze zinc]

i realized

i misclassified one of the rib cages

[acoustic tangle]

which one?

[bronze zinc]

the second biggest one

[acoustic tangle]

.

[acoustic tangle]

do you remember the hole in the ozone layer?

[acoustic tangle]

where humanity worked together to prevent a giant catastrophic event?

[cold tide]

Working toghter ≠ being united

[cold tide]

Also, what fricking hole in the ozone layer ?

[acoustic tangle]

there was a hole in the ozone layer over antarctica, science saw this and found out a specific chemical did that. then many countries worked together until there was less than 99% of this chemical spread into the air

and now its shrinking, could even be closed

[cold tide]

"Many countries"

How many ?

[acoustic tangle]

like around most of them

[cold tide]

How many ?

[acoustic tangle]

idk, there are like more than hundred there, and i think now there are more or less countries

[cold tide]

Anyway

It still proves my point

Because most countries joined thiss project

But not all

[acoustic tangle]

idk if all of them did

[acoustic tangle]

https://youtu.be/lOQqGKt52X8

[neon matrix]

I know I arrive late to the discussion, but I feel the need to argue that this isn't a valid point

We are talking about a world medieval-like age

Humanity couldn't possibly unite under any circunstance, because there wouldn't be efficient means of comunication

[acoustic tangle]

oh, no that’s unrelated to the theory, seal just stated that humans wouldnt unite/work together and rather fight against each other during such catastrophic events

[acoustic tangle]

good point, but like, arent most people dead? and how do the illager communicate? i mean, they even have their own flag

[neon matrix]

Well that's a good point

[acoustic tangle]

thx

[cold tide]

And thiss statement is related to the idea that humans could live in 1 society (in MC)

[cold tide]

Even now we havent united irl, even tho we have efficient means of communication

[acoustic tangle]

no

but its like against the idea that humans would rather start a war than helping each other in a huge danger

[cold tide]

Yes

Its my statement, who are you decide its relation to other things ?

[cold tide]

Because it is the case

[cold tide]

Humans start fighting against each other then uniting during an apocalypse/crisis

[cold tide]

Also

[cold tide]

Also humanity didnt unite in your examples for "apocalypses/crisises were humanity united"

In fact, there was litterly an event called the "cold war" at the time

Were the world was not united at all

[cold tide]

Vanilia MC is a simple game. Alot of things are just representations of multiple things in lore. Thiss probaly is the same for the banner, that is littery just the face of an illager

[acoustic tangle]

yes but how would you fight against two opposite super powers with nuclear weapons?

[cold tide]

You meant "unite two opposit super powers with nuclear weapons", right ?

[acoustic tangle]

no

like how can you unite against it?

[cold tide]

Then what you are saying makes no sense

[acoustic tangle]

?

[cold tide]

1st: why should you fight them ? (Considering the geopolitical situation at the time)
2ne: what has thiss to do with me saying that humanity wasnt united at the time thiss small pox and ozone layer stuff was happening ?

[acoustic tangle]

its not really about being united, its more about people just fighting each other in the face of it

[cold tide]

...

[cold tide]

The conversation started with you claiming that humans could be united in MC

Later adding that the "zombie apocalypse" would cause them to be united

I later provided the cold war (a perfect example for why humanity would not be united in 1 society) as an example, to counter your example of "humanity uniting against an crisis"

[acoustic tangle]

yes, but you stated "Humans start fighting against each other then uniting during an apocalypse/crisis"

[cold tide]

Yes, because its true

[acoustic tangle]

and that was what i was arguing against

[acoustic tangle]

and i showed you an event where people were facing a crisis and united

[cold tide]

By providing an example of an apocalypse that was prevented during an time when 2 superpowers indirectly fought against each other ?

[cold tide]

Working toghter is not uniting

[acoustic tangle]

...

ozone layer that nearly got destroyed?

[cold tide]

Didnt cause humanity to unite

Just to work toghter

[acoustic tangle]

do you think that unite means that they unite to a single country?

[cold tide]

Yes, because thats what unification is (in politics)

[cold tide]

(And because the conversation started with the claim of there being abel to exit 1 society)

[acoustic tangle]

"the allies united against germany during ww2" did they joined together in a singular countr<?

[cold tide]

No and they also didnt unite

They even were in conflict betwen eachother

[acoustic tangle]

so how would you call it?

[cold tide]

They worked toghter to defeat the axis powers

Which is exactly what happend

[cold tide]

Seems like I confused the word unite with the word unify and thought it was the same

[cold tide]

You did the same mistake tho

[acoustic tangle]

i guess so

[cold tide]

I still think that humanity during a crisis or apocalypse/crisis would rather start conflicts then unite to stop the apocalypse/crisis. Considering events in human history like ww1, the bad harvests in 1860, the bad harvests that caused the french revolution, the decline of the roman empire and etc

[acoustic tangle]

whats the bad harvest in 1860? also the french revolution was unavoidable, they suffered decades and since the royals couldn’t provide anything they decided to fight

[cold tide]

In 1860 there were alot of bad harvests in europe, causing revolutuions, protests and uprisings across europe

[cold tide]

Like the democratic and pan-nationalist uprisings in germany for example

[cold tide]

The reason why the people got anrgy and made the french revolution was because they were hungry and starving. And they were hungry and starving because of bad harvests at the time

Yes, the french state was already fricked before that, but the revolution was caused by bad harvests

[cold tide]

I have to correct myself

It was in 1848 not 1860

In 1860 the revolutions, uprisings and protests were over

[acoustic tangle]

👍

hm, wait, the civilizations really united, minecraft legends calls the player „the hero who unites the overworld“ and mojang calls the ABs the ancient civilization, notice the singularity?

[cold tide]

Legend momment

[neon matrix]

"Mojang calls the ABs the ancient civilization" that's a misunderstanding

[cold tide]

Litteral interference by the hosts momment

[neon matrix]

Kingbdogz was referring to the civilization that build the ancient cities

And he didn't Say "the ancient civilization"

He said "an ancient civilization"