general-discussion

[sharp rose]

I watched skate 1 videos and I loved the vibe.

[tiny prism]

Skate.game

[charred shadow]

skate 1 is amazing

thanks bro

[daring owl]

I was just talking about halo infinite, as its the only F2P multiplayer halo and it has no user create content, and by it has issues. Don't assume skate will have flexibility outside of microtransactions. There no mention of story or single player modes. EA doesn't really prioritise that anymore.

[tiny prism]

Could just be they aren't ready to talk about it
Game's still pretty early

Even if it's just challenges spread across a map
If the map is good
I'm chillin

I don't care too much for a specific storyline I just like the gameplay

[tulip valley]

guys, dont be nit picky about the new skate. atleast we are getting a skate, look at tf2 or half life, they never saw light again. be happy🤟

[kindred steeple]

was thinking the same thing.

[tiny prism]

I'll nitpick all I want tbh

[last sonnet]

One thing we absolutely need (I’m pretty certain it’ll be there but I’m the gameplay shown so far …and leaked there’s been no lock-In or pinch with grinds, just sorta Jedi mind tricking in the middle of the truck.

[timber cliff]

ai just predicted the release date of skate.

it says september 28th

[tulip valley]

😱

[ocean tartan]

I'd rather have a fleshed out game, rather than something half baked

[daring owl]

Agreed, a lot of us just want it be successful, and that's just by involving your customers in the process

[last sonnet]

2023 maybe not this year hahaha

[tulip valley]

they've been really great so far, and i dont mind f2p at all! its fun playing with your friends without a fee

im not sure it will be the saving of games, but it will sure be a good title judging by the new games we've gotten these last 3 years

[errant shard]

Ngl I think skate should just have a story mode which is fleshed out a lot with a multiplayer gameplay style all in the way GTA 5 is

[tiny prism]

Hard disagree

Gta5 is absolutely pay to win

[errant shard]

Have a story mode world and then a multiplayer world

[tiny prism]

Get that outta here

[errant shard]

Ofc not those aspects of GTA

[tulip valley]

i think the vision they have now is good, im satisfied with the transparency Full circle has had

[tiny prism]

So not like gta then

[errant shard]

But just how they have their single player offerings and multiplayer offerings it's a straightforward formula to follow and probably the best

[last sonnet]

I get where you’re coming from, have options for both kinds of players… not just locking people into a forced online mode

[errant shard]

Exactly and anyways the story mode will be where people will learn everything about the basics of skate to the transfer that to the multiplayer world

[tulip valley]

i think thats too complicated

[tiny prism]

Not allowed to talk about the leak at all
Mods will bean ya

[hasty seal]

oh fr

[weary mica]

lol ftp

[last sonnet]

To be fair, a lot of it was built 10 years ago… the bulk of this time has been updating for current gen standards and crafting a new location. Also, updating animations.

[tulip valley]

🗿

[tiny prism]

You're in the official ea skate server you'd have to be insane to think that lmao

[tiny prism]

Different engine

This is new from the ground up basically

[errant shard]

The multiplayer concept seems to be directly influenced by GTA online with things only exclusive in those multiplayer world's like the user generated content parks

[last sonnet]

It was so obvious it would happen, they absolutely knew it would come to that and probably wanted it

[errant shard]

It's using the frostbite engine

[tiny prism]

Yes

[daring owl]

My main concern is just don't limit the game and make us feel constrained creatively. I'd be happy to pay a dollar for custom shoes, how about let me also change the color on them for free? Or just an extra level of enjoyment to those purchases.

Bro just stop

[tiny prism]

Yeah fr

[wooden zinc]

[sharp rose]

Is it going to be free to play?

[tiny prism]

Ye

[wooden zinc]

yes

[sharp rose]

Bad stuff

[tiny prism]

Rule 14
Rule 9

[tiny prism]

Nothing gameplay related is locked behind micro transactions

[wooden zinc]

exactly

[daring owl]

Can't assume yet, there's always a chance it can be done well

[sharp rose]

Yea but free to play games tend to either be released in chunks or have a few problems alltogether

[tiny prism]

It covers talking about it according to the mods

[hasty seal]

then they should be more clear

[tiny prism]

Sucks

[wooden zinc]

we cant even talk about emulating skate 3. what makes you think talking about a skate. leak would change anything?

[hasty seal]

because "posting leaks" and talking about them are very different

[sharp rose]

But I guess more people will try it out so if it's decent the player base will be significant

[wooden zinc]

and talking about the leak in here is smart.....right

[hasty seal]

yes its the skate server

[errant shard]

^

[peak nexus]

So, nothing in it was final.

[tiny prism]

No they aren't
The mods have literally said not to talk about it

[daring owl]

Yeah just a lot more opportunity. It's free, I'll play it, but how its designed will either keep me in or push me away. Time will tell 👍

[errant shard]

Mods themselves was talking about it so idk

[hasty seal]

no just an old old build

[tiny prism]

I mean if you wanna get beaned you sure are allowed to do that

[sharp rose]

I liked what I saw in the beta gameplay released. I missed that skate 1 vibe I got from other vids but it looked cool.

[hasty seal]

skate 1 was more vert centered

[sharp rose]

It was giving me ninja warrior skater vibes and not chill skater bro in the neighborhood vibes

[tiny prism]

Skate 1 definitely felt unique
I'd like it more if it had a high camera but I understand the aesthetic they were going for and honestly they kinda nailed it

[hasty seal]

a lot of people are weird about the camera stuff, some want to force everyone to play from the low angle

[peak nexus]

An old build was being passed around. It's not final, and it doesn't represent the final game in any way.

[inner dagger]

.

[sharp rose]

I liked the low angle. The other thing is just like tony hawk pro skater. It makes it unique in a way.

[inner dagger]

bruh i just fell under the map trying to push a rail 😹

[sharp rose]

Well, hope to get an invite soon so I can play with you guys online.

[errant shard]

Yh I saw that

[barren bramble]

I've been thinking of something funny add inside, what if we have broken bones inside game 🤣

[inner dagger]

how-

how can we skate with broken bones
i understand hall of meat

[tiny prism]

To be fair they did say no paid lootboxes
All this said, I'm dipping from the Convo, I don't wanna get beaned for rule 14 out here
Nighty night 😴

[inner dagger]

maybe its like a sponsor package or something
OOO if that is the case that is a complete 180

[mental glacier]

if its earned only then who cares, but they could monetize this hypothetical loot box in the future

[inner dagger]

that would be sick to get like flow/am/pro packages and stuff

[opal bronze]

👋

[brave canyon]

hi

[steady harness]

i hope they’ll add the hard/realistic mode to skate4 because that’s the only way how i can play the game tbh

[visual oracle]

🤨

[gray fjord]

hopefully they aren't paid

is it even legit or

[visual oracle]

nah, loot boxes aren't it.

[errant shard]

No way it won't be cuz it's EA and a loot box

[gray fjord]

I'll wait for official words on it

[errant shard]

So basically how mobile games are in a sense

[gray fjord]

they'll definitely talk about it

[errant shard]

Definitely wasn't full circles call

[gray fjord]

I'm just trying to have some form of hope idk

[bitter swan]

Bro who else are getting these random Notifications from discord groups they ain’t in

[steady harness]

i might be wrong tho!

[visual oracle]

morning

[gray fjord]

morning there

[austere crest]

Morning

[rare girder]

morning

[peak nexus]

Beyond that, it's probably for the best that people do not download any "leaked build" from the web to avoid any malware or viruses.

[bitter swan]

Like is anyone else or am I going insane

[visual oracle]

i'm not.

[bitter swan]

I think I’m going crazy

[young holly]

Bruh my friend just said he isn't gonna get skate on his phone cuz he doesn't wanna be emo

[gray fjord]

I got a single one

[gray fjord]

i have not heard that reason before

[errant shard]

It has loot boxes so am not

[young holly]

All my friends will get jt but he isn't for sum reason

[peak nexus]

It's not like you'll get charged for it.

[young holly]

Exactly what I said lol

[rose harness]

I like the idea of free lootboxes!

[young holly]

I wonder how the controls will be for mobile I might get it on mobile aswell

[gray fjord]

I don't like any kind of lootbox personally, I want to be able to get what I want and not hope I get something I somewhat like

[visual oracle]

I don't like the idea of randomized lootboxes in general, it feeds into gambling habits and i'm not putting up with it.

[gray fjord]

I think that it'll control well, and if not, hopefully controller support will exist for it

[kindred steeple]

facts.

[gray fjord]

even if it's free I just, do not like spinning an invisible wheel and usually landing on stuff I don't like

[young holly]

I wanna be able to steal npcs skateboards and cruise away

[rose harness]

I think ehat they are gonne do is that there will be an item shop and battlepass. So you can buy things you want! And you get lootboxes by doing challanges

Btw i think that lootboxes arent sertan to be in the game! Its still pre alpha so many things can change including lootboxes

[gray fjord]

Yeah

[young holly]

What do lootboxes even include

[visual oracle]

I think we as a species have evolved past the need for randomized lootboxes

[young holly]

What are they for

[rose harness]

Clothes

[young holly]

Oh alr

[faint sand]

no they confirmed no lootboxes in the video

again if you think EA is going to crap up the F2P model just look at Apex Legends as the example of a recent F2P game from EA, they're working hard to try to win back their reputation

[errant shard]

Not really apex is actually a broken mess

And it's all due to EA focusing on MTX rather than fixing the game

[faint sand]

is it? I thought people said it was good

[errant shard]

People are not playing in August since it's so broken + tryna get EA's wallets to go small

[gray fjord]

Last time I played it it was pretty good, I didn't really pay attention to the mtx tho

i played like, months ago tho, so I'm not really one to say it's good now

[errant shard]

Same but it has many issues which are game breaking for months now

[gray fjord]

Ah, that sucks

[errant shard]

Nothing been fixed so people going on strike lol

[gray fjord]

It's one of the most fun BRs I've played

[errant shard]

Really is

But gameplay is being overshadowed by the MTX which is bad

[gray fjord]

It was kinda expensive from what I remember

Wasn't it like, $35 for one skin pack?

[steady harness]

wdym broken mess?

[daring owl]

🧂

[errant shard]

From what people been posting and showing on Reddit and twitter is broken

[barren bramble]

I don't think skate on mobile is a good idea

[steady harness]

and depends on a skin but for example legendaries are like 20$ when they’re in the shop

[errant shard]

The MTX model will be heavily dependent on mobile

It's gonna definitely be a mobile like MTX system

[barren bramble]

Is the MTX is RTX but on mobile? 🤔

[gray fjord]

Ah, so just like Fortnite
really not a fan of how expensive skins can be in games

[faint sand]

you're making a lot of assumptions with nothing to back them up

what lol loot boxes are deconfirmed

[gray fjord]

I don't see it being mobile like, I think it'll just be like Fortnite

[errant shard]

Mobile games don't have directly paid loot boxes but can be paid for through paid currency

[faint sand]

did you not watch the board room video

[barren bramble]

Disagree on this point

[steady harness]

ahh well yeah the game do have some bugs and servers been crashing but this season has been amazing tbh, super little server problems and not many cheaters in predator ranked for example

[errant shard]

"Paid loot boxes"

[young holly]

If there's a battle pass that is free that would be wild

[errant shard]

The wording is basically implying you can't buy loot boxes

[barren bramble]

Wait, is this topic about Fortnite? Because I'm confused

[tall trellis]

there had better be shaped decks added to Skate. That is one feature I'm dying to be added

[meager juniper]

howw do i ghet skate

[steady harness]

yes my man! and big sizes

[visual oracle]

sign up for playtesting and wait

[errant shard]

Nah a leak was found out to show skate will indeed have loot boxes

[barren bramble]

OK that is not cool

[faint sand]

um leakers are not reliable

[steady harness]

yeah just oike fortnite 😂 but you can get apex skins for free aswell if you just play the game

[errant shard]

It's not paid for through real money but it's paid for with in game currency

[barren bramble]

It has said "Do Not Leak any information"

[tall trellis]

exactly, irl I skate 10.5" fish tail shape

[errant shard]

It's from the leaked build with EA and skate branding

[gray fjord]

Through lootboxes, essentially

[errant shard]

It's a build which the Devs verified themselves is real

[steady harness]

yeah but u get a box for every 3 levels

[visual oracle]

Again, i feel we as a society have moved away from random lootboxes.

[steady harness]

but ofc that’s the thing, it hooks u and then u use money

[errant shard]

If it's anything like apex legends it's gonna be skins all locked behind loot boxes

[steady harness]

i’m beyond surprised that i haven’t used any money on the game (exept battle passes) after 2500 hours

[barren bramble]

Actually could relatable because Apex Legends

[errant shard]

Ye

That system does work in a way but still loot boxes is gambling

"Surprise Mechanic" my ass

[barren bramble]

I mean, for now we not gonna make sure about the leak information until the further notice from Official EA staff and Skate Staff

[steady harness]

the biggest hook in that is the heirloom, u can get a legendary cosmetic weapon for each legend is random drop, super rare but u get one 100% after you’ve opened 500 packs

500€ about

[errant shard]

It's an official build so it's true

[barren bramble]

I see 🤔

[faint sand]

so wait lootboxes are in the game but they're not "paid" yeah they're going to need to confirm or deconfirm if "convenience" involves paying for the currency you spend on lootboxes because if it does then yeah that sucks, and if it doesn't it's frustrating but pretty harmless

assuming that the more rare stuff is not expensive in real money

[errant shard]

BP for the in game currency so it's indirectly paid for

[gray fjord]

I don't exactly see it being legit I'll be honest

[errant shard]

Plus possible bundle etc so definitely like other free to play games like apex

[faint sand]

the worry about lootboxes is dumping a bunch of money on it so if you can't do that the "gambling" aspect is harmless

[gray fjord]

It's from the pre pre pre alpha build, before the board room was uploaded, right?

[barren bramble]

I think we don't call as loot boxes, maybe we should give a better name for it

[visual oracle]

lootboxes are not harmless they're gambling, they contribute to and profit off of the same predatory habits as slot machines in casinos.

[faint sand]

the problem with gambling is the ability to get addicted and lose a bunch of money

[gray fjord]

Yeah, it's the one thing I don't want in the game

[faint sand]

if you can't lose a bunch of money then it's harmless

[steady harness]

but tbh if a game is free to play and it’s amazing, i think ingame payments are acceptable but i still think the game shouldn’t be f2p

[faint sand]

sure it might be addictive but it's no more harmful then like, playing Cookie Clicker

[errant shard]

If they can at least limit how many times you can buy it that'll be kinda of a win

It does look like the in game currency 'taps' can be just grinded in game

[faint sand]

you shouldn't be able to buy them at all

[errant shard]

Ik but let's be realistic lmao

[gray fjord]

I just hope maybe if it is legit that, maybe somehow it goes away at some point during development

[visual oracle]

It incentivizes spending irl money to get things you actually want rather than having a random chance to, which I feel is the abusive part. I think we as a society have moved past randomized lootboxes, they shouldn't be in any game.

[faint sand]

Improvings what you're claiming is that they openly lied on the board room video

[errant shard]

It will when more people wake up today

[gray fjord]

I don't like lootboxes in any form and it ruins customisation for me, like, completely

[dim agate]

even if the game was 60$ it would have mtx stop complaining

[errant shard]

Not lied. You can't just pay for loot boxes with real money they said

[gray fjord]

I don't care about mtx currency, I do care about lootboxes however, especially if they're paid for

[faint sand]

you literally just said "let's be realistic they'll let you pay for them"

[errant shard]

Not directly

[hoary phoenix]

this lol

[faint sand]

that would still be a lie

[errant shard]

Not as hard and predatory as this

[faint sand]

buying in game currency to buy lootboxes is still buying lootboxes and only a massive idiot would think that there's any real difference

[steady harness]

one kinda fun thing would be that they make and community best run competition every two weeks for example and there you can win lootboxes a prize, it gives the lootboxes more value and you can actually see in online if someone is wearing something rare. and IF they want to involve money, they could make a ticket for each entry like 1-2€ so it kinda leaves casuals in their own peace and let’s competitive ones actually have a lil blast

[errant shard]

Well it isn't like EA not to lie

[visual oracle]

Even if it was $60 I would still complain about randomized lootboxes, as they are the worst form of progression reward i've ever seen in my life.

[errant shard]

I would rather have rocket leagues type of MTX system

[faint sand]

I feel like you are being overly cynical with no evidence

[inner dagger]

hey idk about you guys but i think skate 4 is coming out 😳 🔔

[dim agate]

calling it predatory without knowing what it will be lmao. gtav was 60 dollars and had shark cards in 2013

[errant shard]

Just get blueprints for boards cosmetics etc

[barren bramble]

Actually I think the loot box could give an idea 🤔

[errant shard]

Dude it's loot boxes how more predatory can you get?

[faint sand]

you think they're going to go out and claim something they've already put in the game is not in the game and that there won't be any backlash when people find out otherwise, the devs aren't that stupid

[hoary phoenix]

ppl will complain no matter what, always something is not good to someone

[errant shard]

EA's track record is the worst in gaming

[steady harness]

agreed

[faint sand]

not recently

[gray fjord]

Yep

[errant shard]

Battlefield 2042?

[weak ocean]

Omg rlly 😳

[faint sand]

Konami, Actiblizz, Ubisoft and even Capcom have out-EA'd EA for a while

[steady harness]

but apex was a big success from them

[inner dagger]

instead of lootboxes there should be like flow/am/pro packages
that would be sick and add lots of realism to the game

[errant shard]

Anthem? Sims 4? FIFA and their sports games?

[faint sand]

Anthem was Bioware's failure not EA's

[errant shard]

The only true success LMFAO

[barren bramble]

Maybe the common to SR we can use in-game currency pay, but to Uncommon to to SR we will pay much more in-game currency to buy it. And for Rare to SR we will use the money that we put inside the game to buy it

[errant shard]

EA had the financial say

[visual oracle]

to be fair, other companies being worse does not absolve EA of their failures doing that time.

[inner dagger]

im gonna kick fabios a**
he messed me up

[errant shard]

Just like it is with full circle on skate full circle definitely now has no say

[faint sand]

yeah but Bioware's leadership is the reason that failed Jason Schrier had an article that documented what went wrong

[barren bramble]

Ik that it's a free game, but we also need to know that the game devs also need to earn money too, so I giving my idea about loot boxes on it

[steady harness]

hmm yeh tbh can’t think any other games that are success from ea xD but my gf plays sims3 and she really likes the idea that u gotta buy stuff with real money because it gives them value

[inner dagger]

the economy isnt gonna like this one

[sterile isle]

they said theres no loot boxes

[steady harness]

and it’s not THAT expensive tbh if u don’t pay often

[errant shard]

No they can do what valorant does and they make insane money

[faint sand]

Improvings you are once again making a bunch of claims with no evidence outside of pessimism

[inner dagger]

then what was in the leak ???

[errant shard]

Track record isn't evidence or proof?

[faint sand]

no it's not

[quartz raptor]

still cant comprehend - that we are waited 12 years for a new sequel - and its f2p and maybe with loot stuff. im so sad

[faint sand]

EA at its worst was a long time ago

[sterile isle]

Loot boxes means you don;t know what you're getting when you buy it. I presume they will have cosmetic packs where you know what you;re getting

[barren bramble]

Riot Studio, and yea, pay to buy skin, and not pay to gamble your whole money just to draw your favourite skin, it is a good idea

[errant shard]

They rush games and focus on MTX as hard as possible I think it's the same EA which won worst company of the year in 2012 but worse

They even had the audacity to tweet single player games are bad LMAO

[faint sand]

I'm sure they'll do something greedy but you're assuming the worst to the point of claiming the devs are blatantly lying with no evidence

[barren bramble]

Probably 100% fake leak, because the game devs has told us that they won't have loot boxes inside already yesterday

[faint sand]

that was a misunderstanding

[errant shard]

The Devs do as their told

[sterile isle]

I play a lot of valorant and think it's a great system. They also have a new battle pass out every 60 days which gives you more reason to grind. Would actually love to see a battle pass implented into skate

[errant shard]

This isn't on the Devs but EA as a company

[barren bramble]

Check the official announcement

[barren bramble]

Ikr, that's why I change from CSGO to Valo

[errant shard]

Not fake it's from the official game leaked build

[hasty matrix]

Swag bags. Is hilarious to me they really found a way around it

[steady harness]

dude rly be playing for skins

[faint sand]

you think EA told the devs to lie as if there won't be massive backlash when people find out which is not something they can keep from happening

[barren bramble]

🤣

[hasty matrix]

Definitely

[errant shard]

TY. Naming it not a known loot box variable is them saying it's not a loot box

[errant shard]

They've done it before

Anthem, BF 2042 and their sports games

This isn't something new EA or any major AAA has done

[barren bramble]

Ah

[errant shard]

This is why any game which comes from AB, EA Ubisoft or others people are sus about

[faint sand]

ok what did they specifically lie about for any of those

[barren bramble]

I think I know what they mean, no "paid" loot boxes

[errant shard]

The trust has been broken before and people don't want to be burned anymore

[faint sand]

and features promised that didn't make it into the game is a broken promise not a bold faced lie

[gray fjord]

Is it from a build from months ago?

[faint sand]

that happens in game dev, things get cut

[errant shard]

From may yes

[hasty matrix]

I could maybe understand hiding clothes behind the “swag bags” but hiding platforms and ramp behind them is stupid asf and takes away from what the “trailer” said about doing whatever you want

[errant shard]

May this year

[barren bramble]

Check this month

[errant shard]

Still can be in the game

This basically does confirm they are considering loot boxes not and an in game currency to buy them

[sterile isle]

wait are there paid ramps etc?

[errant shard]

Paid ramps????????

[faint sand]

oh my god I can't wait until the mods wake up

[errant shard]

Yh "nothing will not be behind a pay wall" is out the window

[hasty matrix]

From the pic on the Reddit post it looks like ramps and stuff are hidden behind them

[lean dew]

neither can i

[faint sand]

this is just getting worse

[barren bramble]

On this year July they have make an announcement about the game that they will not add paid loot boxes inside the game

[errant shard]

The PR team is gonna have a field day

[lean dew]

i have one of the mods added but hes offline so i cant contact him

[errant shard]

Man you really think EA will stick to that?

[visual oracle]

I donno i've not really got anything to say about this, and i have a feeling this is gonna continue to dominate discussion for the next few hours.

I'm already a bit tired of it.

[barren bramble]

Let's just move along :p

[faint sand]

Improvings you need to learn the difference between skepticism and making giant cynical assumptions

[errant shard]

I am too. They should have been completely open at the start like they say they are

[lean dew]

couldnt have said it better myself...

[faint sand]

also you're being totally inconsistent "you think they lied?" "it wouldn't be a lie because x" "yeah but it would because y" "yeah but they lie all the time" I get the feeling you don't have any actual solid opinions besides EA bad

[errant shard]

Am looking at it from both perspectives - my own and EA's

[gray fjord]

Why're we even taking info from an old build, when the game is in pre pre pre alpha?

[lean dew]

doesnt make sense..

[faint sand]

you don't even know what EA's perspective is

[barren bramble]

Let's just move along guys

[hasty matrix]

So we can give our opinions back to the devs so they can make the game as best as possible

[lean dew]

cant wait for mods to get here..

dont talk about leaks

[barren bramble]

Well, technically yes, but you can also giving the idea what to add inside new Skate game since the game are still in pre pre alpha and heading to pre pre pre alpha

[lean dew]

dont. talk. about. leaks.

[visual oracle]

cause it's one of the rules

[lean dew]

its in the rules

[faint sand]

even if everything you say happens you can at least wait until it actually happens and be mad then

[gray fjord]

forgot about that, considering the whole convo is about it, mb lol

[visual oracle]

you're talking about stuff that's meant to be under NDA.

[rose harness]

Rule 14

[sterile isle]

Yeah but not in the official game server where the rules state no leaks LOL

[lean dew]

improvings, just stop

[faint sand]

gee I wonder if this is part of the reason why you're not supposed to talk about leaks lol

[gray fjord]

what?

[lean dew]

cant wait for you to get timed out..

[barren bramble]

Guys guys guys, seriously, let's just talk something else and stop the convo

[lean dew]

not very easy

[barren bramble]

We love Skate and we also wish they can make the game fun

[sterile isle]

I saw physics in those cord pants so im happy

[errant shard]

^

[barren bramble]

So let's just move along and talk something else

Who got skateboard? (Not me because my legs got cramp the moment I step on it)

[lean dew]

not me

it would break

[faint sand]

once again if there are "lootboxes" and there is no path from pay lots of money -> get lots of lootboxes then it's absolutely harmless

[visual oracle]

I haven't got one, I haven't really got any good roads for skating around here and there's one skatepark near me.

[faint sand]

as long as rare stuff isn't too expensive outside of lootboxes

[barren bramble]

Nah, it won't break easily

[barren bramble]

Let's end the convo about that now mate and let's talk about skateboard and talk about broken bones :D

[visual oracle]

I don't agree.

[dim agate]

again, even if the game was 60 dollars it would have mtx

[faint sand]

explain

[sterile isle]

I wouldn't mind a similiar system to where they release cosmetic packs where you clearly see what you're getting and if there weren't new ones out every week. Especially if the game wants to live for years to come, imagine loading up a free game to see 20+ cosmetic packs released over the last few years

[kindred steeple]

is skateboarding difficult to learn? i wanna learn sooner or later but never actually attempted to skate.

but yet i love playing the game lol.

[faint sand]

the main reason gambling is harmful is that you lose money on the addiction, plenty of games have gambling in them with no option to pay with real money and it's absolutely harmless

pokemon has gambling minigames

[barren bramble]

You can try, because I never got on skateboard when I was kid, I'm now an adult teen but still have tried once but legs got cramp all the sudden, quite like how to train a horse

[visual oracle]

We as a society have moved past the need for randomized lootboxes. It's a terrible practice when paid for obvious reasons, and even when it's free it's terrible cause it's just a lazy and annoying reward for progression, to have the "potential" to get something cool, when for the most part, you're not gonna.

[faint sand]

yeah it's annoying at worst though

it's not heinous it's just annoying

[visual oracle]

yeah, I would prefer if annoying things like that wouldn't be in the game. It would only be beneficial.

[sterile isle]

But why would you want to grind a game for in game currency just to open a lott box and get nothing, instead of being able to unlock what you actually want

[lean dew]

anyone else staring at their email? :,)

[kindred steeple]

gotcha, i'll try it out even if i get hurt

[faint sand]

I can think of a lot of reasons this might actually be a good idea, one of them being player retention

[hasty matrix]

I’m glad you can get these “bags” by do challenges atleast but it’s still scummy lol

[barren bramble]

Actually I have an idea, why not on one of the season or event, Skate can give one free skateboard skin. And if we want to buy much beautiful skin we can use money to buy it, that maybe can prevent the gambling addiction or loosing more money

[faint sand]

they can either give you a lot of stuff at random and let you pay to just buy it, or they can make it so you can buy whatever you want with in game currency and then that creates a problem where they have to make it a real grind

[sterile isle]

A battel pass is a better system in my opinion, you have both free and paid tiers, and you grind to unlock the tiers. You know what you're grinding for and you want to get to the last tier before the battle pass ends.

[faint sand]

this actually solves the free vs paid conflict of interest pretty effectively without having the problem of "whales" losing money to gambling

[barren bramble]

Like Christmas day Skate can give us one free skin, but if we wanna buy costume and skateboard skin, we can top-up the money and buy it

[visual oracle]

I'd rather take the grind if the gameplay loop is enjoyable.

[barren bramble]

Yess, that will be a good idea

[faint sand]

again most people will just want 1 set of clothing for their character so if they want anyone to actually skip the grind they're going to have to make the grind suck

[lean dew]

but instead of battle pass, skate pass😯

[visual oracle]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[faint sand]

this way you basically just get customization options and you mix and match the stuff you have and if you want something specific you buy it

[barren bramble]

And for the first time buy Skate pass, we can get golden skateboard!! YESSSS!!!!

[lean dew]

YOO

[faint sand]

I actually think from a game dev perspective this is the ideal solution as long as there is no way to actually spend money on lootboxes and "rare" loot is not super expensive

[lean dew]

LOL

[barren bramble]

Oops, too much caps :p

[visual oracle]

I'd still take the grind.

[barren bramble]

Anyway, you are god damn genius @lean dew

[lean dew]

haha

[faint sand]

yeah but again the problem with the grind is that you have to play the heck out of the game to get ANYTHING

[dim agate]

@lean dew are they still sending out playtest emails?

[lean dew]

yup

[sterile isle]

So you're saying the option to open lootboxes with in game currency that you earn, AND the ability to purchase the skin pack that it's in if you didn't want to grind?

[visual oracle]

That implies i wouldn't be playing the heck out of the game anyway if it's good

[faint sand]

or just purchase the individual items (again if not too expensive)

[barren bramble]

I think this because the game wants to prevent the children addict on gambling get the loot boxes skins

[faint sand]

if you're playing the heck out of the game you'll be getting a lot of customization options anyways

[sterile isle]

See my problem with that is you're grinding for a random variable then, instead of grinding for something specific. Then the more content released, the lower the odds of you unlocking the specific thing you want.

[visual oracle]

I hate grinding for random variables. I hate grinding for the POTENTIAL of getting something I want.

[faint sand]

I mean here's the thing, you can't get addicted to gambling if it's like, once after an in game mission

[barren bramble]

Trust me, players will spend more than 10k just to draw and get their favourite skin

[faint sand]

I agree but there are plenty of non F2P games that have mechanics like this, RPGs have had random drops since forever

[barren bramble]

I think the battlepass can solve the paid and free at the same time without gambling

[faint sand]

FOMO is worse than "swag bags" after missions

[barren bramble]

What's FOMO?

[faint sand]

FOMO is also exploitative for the opposite reason, gambling exploits your sense of reward and FOMO exploits your sense of risk

[lean dew]

being able to buy someone the battlepass 😯

[visual oracle]

Fear Of Missing Out

[hasty matrix]

I just hope these devs REALLY take the criticism and actually changes some things but who knows it’s ea so they’ll probably force the devs to keep the bags

[visual oracle]

Basically making people buy something out of concern that they won't be able to get it in the future.

[faint sand]

FOMO is basically you buy something you wouldn't otherwise because you won't be able to later

[barren bramble]

Sometimes you make me wanna kiss your cheek (no homo)

[lean dew]

o

[faint sand]

it's exploiting the opposite type of person than would gamble and that's especially bad for me because I'm the personality type that would be exploited

[modest blaze]

I dont know why people are hassling over micro-transactions so much all of a sudden

[faint sand]

it exploits fear of regret

[sterile isle]

Yeah I can say I'm a sucker for this

[lean dew]

i dont care about microtransactions, i see alot of people crying over it tho

[modest blaze]

right??

[barren bramble]

We should figure and help game devs solving on this solution 🤔

[lean dew]

i mean, if you cant buy it. dont, easy

[modest blaze]

exactly

[barren bramble]

ON the battlepass, yes

[modest blaze]

they can easily solve it with a battle pass

[scenic gull]

where are people crying over it🤔 . i have seen some critizing it though

[modest blaze]

play the game = rewards

[dim agate]

have you seenthis chat over the last 30 mins lol

[faint sand]

really I think accumulation of random cosmetics over normal play IS the ideal compromise between wanting people to have a reason to spend money and wanting people who don't want to spend money to still get regular rewards

[visual oracle]

ok but the battlepass has the issue of FOMO

[lean dew]

not exactly CRYING over it. but just being a bit bum hurt that the game has micro transactions

[barren bramble]

Or maybe can like Fortnite? We can get the free tokens to buy the battlepass after getting the amount of the coins for battlepass 🤔

[modest blaze]

whats FOMO?

[lean dew]

shouldve seen chat last night

[visual oracle]

UGGGGH

[dim agate]

fear of missing out

[barren bramble]

FOMO is also exploitative for the opposite reason, gambling exploits your sense of reward and FOMO exploits your sense of risk

• from @faint sand

[sterile isle]

if everything can be obtained free then nothing holds actual value so there's not much incentive for people to buy it. With that model I don't know if a f2p game will earn enough to have continued full time support

[twilit agate]

See the whole thing with loot boxes is that they’re not gonna be PAID loot boxes right? So there’s gonna be loot boxes but you just got to play the game to get them

[errant birch]

As long as the items behind the micro transactions don't effect the gameplay, they can do whatever they want.

[lean dew]

anyone gotta put the whole skatepass/battlepass idea in #skate-ideas-archived

[modest blaze]

OH... I mean yeah but I can only say for myself... ive played Apex Fortnite Destiny etc etc... and i never once felt the need to buy a battle pass because who cares?

[barren bramble]

You put it, it is your idea ngl

[twilit agate]

Nah cause it’s a bad idea

[visual oracle]

well people are different, there's a reason some people have an issue with gambling addiction while some people don't

[lean dew]

not really, if you cant buy it. dont

[barren bramble]

Actually could try it

[modest blaze]

People are losing there heads because it will have micro-transactions but then you see Destiny.. and how it works is a bit scummy

[barren bramble]

It's like 50 50

[twilit agate]

Tbh I’d rather just pay for the game

[faint sand]

the game plan is that players that don't want to spend money will go "I keep getting rewards so I'll just put whatever the coolest stuff I have is on my skater" and people who do want to spend money go "I could wait until I luck out and get this specific thing I want but I'd rather just spend a few bucks on it" and both sides are a good experience, alternatives fail one either one side or the other, or the balance between the two

[dim agate]

and its still the best looter shooter out

[faint sand]

the balance is the most important part

if you make it so you just grind for in game currency to buy what you want it fails both sides, people who want a fixed set of things and have the time to grind won't bother paying any money and people who don't want to grind don't get to have any cosmetics at all

[twilit agate]

Idk if I’m like past it or whatever but I’ve never played a free to play game for more than an hour max without getting bored because of the battle pass loot box nonsense

[modest blaze]

well yeah... but no one is batting an eye lash because they have to fork out 29.99 to continue playing the game with the new expansions and what not... people are going bonkers because skate. will have payable cosmetics...

[sterile isle]

I just wonder would there be enough people deciding to pay for convenience sake, so that the game makes enough for full time support

[visual oracle]

speak for yourself, that's why i dropped Destiny 2.

[modest blaze]

same same i stopped because it got too much

[twilit agate]

Also EA servers are absolutely trash and can’t even support the paid games they have, imagine trying to play skate on day one

[errant shard]

Probably won't happen. FTP statement liked a lot of hype for the game + plus the loot box issue now is definitely not gonna have 2+ years support

[modest blaze]

Ever played a rockstar game? 😂

[errant birch]

Lol

[dim agate]

GTAV is peer to peer so that doesnt make sense

[errant shard]

People expected more or less a more polished skate experience from S2 or S3 but rn it's not looking like that will be it

[twilit agate]

Not online

[modest blaze]

RDR2?

[dim agate]

rdr2 is also p2p iirc

[sterile isle]

The main criticism I have on that @faint sand is then there's no true path of progression, I guess some people may see continued random unlocks of cosmetics as progression but I wouldn't if it's random. If they dealt cosmetics with how you describe it I feel they would need a seperate levelling system that also had it's own benefits.

[twilit agate]

That’s my exact gripe with this system juke

[modest blaze]

THEN my point is rendered invalid 😂

[twilit agate]

If I want something I can’t just work towards it, I need to grind until I randomly get it

[barren bramble]

I have another solution, which could bring half gambling and half non-gambling in game. Hear me out, we can use like in-game currency to play Wheel Spin to get the skateboard or get much more in-game currency or top-up currency on it. But there will be limit. Like 5 times a day, and there won't be add spin more round. And on non-gambling style is that we can just buy the skateboard skin or costume with in-game currency or top-up currency to buy it. So that player will not addict the gambling just to get their favourite costume or skateboard skin

[rose harness]

Do this in ideas chat

[lean dew]

starting the tutorial questions. (are you gambling addicted?) (yes) (no) no = no fomo. yes = fomo

[sterile isle]

This is pretty much what Helix is suggesting with in game currency unlockable loot boxes that contain cosmetics that you can also buy with real currency if you wanted.

[barren bramble]

Too long so need you guys help to convert less than 180 words

[warped python]

I feel that the general discussion theme around Skate. Has become so extremely negative. I get it, we are all fans and want the best that this game can offer. But I see so many negative comments about the free to play decision. The game isn’t even near to being done yet. No need to say the game will flop when they’re still in development. Please just stay positive to encourage the developers

[barren bramble]

Yeah, but we don't use loot boxes, we use wheelchair spin

[wintry bolt]

Hi

[visual oracle]

i feel like you're ignoring a critical aspect of addiction, which is that people who are addicted wouldn't generally admit that they're addicted.

[barren bramble]

That will be much perfect

[lean dew]

i know, i was just kidding

[visual oracle]

oh.

[barren bramble]

And hello

[sterile isle]

Or a kickflipping skateboard that reveals the cosmetic on the deck XD

[lean dew]

dont talk about playtest

[visual oracle]

i don't know

[errant shard]

Being realistic is better than hopium

[wintry bolt]

Why?

[lean dew]

rules

[barren bramble]

Sometimes I love this community for bringing me such amazing idea

[rose harness]

Its under nda

[visual oracle]

playtest's are under NDA

[errant shard]

But people shouldn't stop others from wanting to play it

[wintry bolt]

I'm just asking if anyone has

[warped python]

What are you being realistic about? People are speculating in stead of looking at the facts

[scenic gull]

hi

[unique nebula]

Stop asking

[lean dew]

hey

[unique nebula]

Hi

[wintry bolt]

I need help with something that's why

[visual oracle]

Oh hello there's a mod.

[scenic gull]

how yall doing

[rose harness]

Hi

[lean dew]

thad 😯 thank god your here🧎 🙏

[warped python]

Good! How about you?

[visual oracle]

Could be better.

[unique nebula]

The current playtest is over.

[scenic gull]

Im good people.

[errant shard]

It's because of past games by EA and the current gaming industry. People have just grown tired

[gray fjord]

but hopium tastes like marshmallows,,,

[lean dew]

great, how about you

[scenic gull]

Im good @lean dew

[lean dew]

oh. so no more email staring contest?

[wintry bolt]

i got an email about having to join a zoom call?

[twilit agate]

You do realise the publisher is EA right?

[barren bramble]

could do this when on the wheelchair spin to the skateboard skin, and then they will start riding on the skateboard and when it is very rare, they will do the much harder stunt so that it can show the skateboard is very rare skin!

[buoyant quail]

hello gamers

[errant shard]

Nothing bad about being negative as possible as in the past people used to give a benefit a doubt to then being shown they were right

[gray fjord]

yes, I was just making a joke about marshmallows

[scenic gull]

anyone wanna hop on skate

[sterile isle]

Good idea

[warped python]

I get that. But full circle is a completely different studio, yes under EA, but that doesn’t immediately mean that everything will flop. I feel that a huge part of the people commenting on the game have that assumption. Just because a company name is linked to it

[unique nebula]

There still can be lol but the current playtest is over

[barren bramble]

Write the idea on #skate-ideas-archived , I kinda busy now so you can help me write on there

[unique nebula]

Message @crystal niche

[errant shard]

This is like saying BF2042 was in good hands with DICE but ultimately it's up to EA on how things are done

Bf2042 was exactly how skate is rn. Everyone was hyped for the same evolutionary gameplay but when things about the game entirely came out people immediately didn't like it

[rose harness]

At least skate.cant be delayed :D

[visual oracle]

I feel like this conversation is just gonna go in circles for ages

[buoyant quail]

not necessarily a good thing imo

[warped python]

I don’t fully agree. You still compare two completely different studios. Different genres and completely different people inside EA that make decisions

[faint sand]

once again I'm confirmed that lootboxes that you can't pay for is going to be the way to go and is the right compromise and I stand firm on this

[rose harness]

Ehhh full circle takes their time working on it! I dont think dice did that on bf2042

[faint sand]

lootboxes and no whale mechanics

[errant shard]

It's always the same people who do those decisions. Share holders and investors need to be pleased

[gray fjord]

full circles?

[barren bramble]

Somehow I can agree on this part, not all the EA team can make the worst like BF2042

[modest blaze]

Actually imma gonna take EA's side.. with Battlefront 2 the game really really improved when it whent f2p

[visual oracle]

I don't have a bonk emote unfortunately

[mental glacier]

battlefront never went f2p

[faint sand]

the two whale mechanics on lootboxes are 1. rare loot being egregiously expensive and 2. being able to spend real money on them, and with neither of those problems I think they're absolutely fine

[warped python]

That’s not how a company structure works. Shareholders need to be pleased yes, but 1 opinion runs through multiple degrees of people before a decision is made

[visual oracle]

Looks at Battlefront 2 on Steam
$40

[mental glacier]

it improved after disney saw ea create controversy over star wars lolll

[rose harness]

Do u mean the time that it whent free for a few days/wweks?

[modest blaze]

oh youre right

yeahhhh got mixed up with the Celebration Edition

[unique nebula]

Looks at every Call of duty released since 2007 on steam >basically full priced a decade later

[errant shard]

If there isn't any major money making feature the game won't be supported in the long term that's why the MTX structure is something the same people decide on other than some head staff at the studio

[rose harness]

😂

[visual oracle]

that's a different topic

[mental glacier]

activision moment

[unique nebula]

It’s really not tho

[mental glacier]

nintendo does that too

[errant shard]

Probably can get a used clean copy on Amazon for much less

[visual oracle]

it really is tho, i was countering a claim that BF2 went free to play

[warped python]

Exactly, the people in EA are still fans of gaming and want to see their games succeed. If you want to create a game to see it flop, it will never surpass concept stage

[unique nebula]

You can get a used clean copy on Amazon for any game for less than a brand new copy

[errant birch]

Skate. Will be ok as long as EA let's the studio have complete control. Yhey want the best for skate and I can see it on the footage that's been releasing. If uts up to EA it will be the same story as battlefield, battlefront.

[errant shard]

BF2042 had the exact same feeling for the Devs and looked how it went

[errant shard]

Looks like they are for its marketing and PR but soon they may take it over for it's negative press recently

[unique nebula]

I don’t remember BF2042 showing the community pre-pre-pre-alpha footage and asking them to playtest. Or am I misremembering🤔

[errant shard]

Beta was enough lmao

[warped python]

It feels like you’ve lost faith in gaming studios. They are as big of fans of gaming as the rest of us. They want to see their game succeed. The skate. developers would rather quit development than create something that’s only made to make money for EA

[hasty matrix]

They had a beta lol

[errant shard]

Bills have to be paid

[unique nebula]

Beta isn’t the same as a pre pre pre alpha

[warped python]

And there’s enough money in EA to pay for those bills

[errant shard]

Not the same but shows they wanted to keep people in the loop

Full circle just have a very community driven focus

[hasty matrix]

It’s literally still a playtest no matter the state of the game lol

[mental glacier]

alpha and beta builds can be whatever they want

[unique nebula]

It’s a super early playtest of an upcoming game that they are letting us the community help them shape. I can’t think of a single other time a AAA studio was allowing this to happen at such an early state

[errant shard]

^

Difference with BF2042 and skate is that skate is a free to play live service which can change over time whereas BF2042 can't change as it's a premium title

[woven peak]

E

[young holly]

Oh ye btw is the playtest like the alpha version or is it like all done game like graphics and everything

[mental glacier]

they can still go f2p, after they release everything already announced. still cant save bf2042 tho no matter how hard they try

[young holly]

Or is it not rendered

[errant shard]

True

[unique nebula]

🤷‍♂️

[errant shard]

FTP is being discussed as of last time I heard any news on the game

[visual oracle]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[scenic gull]

No talks about leaks allowed !!

[errant birch]

Oh

[lean dew]

does nobody read the rules????

[young holly]

But the thing is it looks so good already

[hasty matrix]

Bags

[unique nebula]

Yea from the trailers!

[mental glacier]

literally 1984 /s

[young holly]

Yeah... the trailers!

[visual oracle]

some people do but honestly i couldn't blame someone who just showed up for not knowing that considering the recent conversation, thanks @errant shard :I

[gray fjord]

I'm really hopeful for this game, and still looking forward to it

[errant shard]

Same I just know I am playing it for the gameplay and not the cosmetics lmao

[ocean basin]

this guy gets it

[errant shard]

Am fine looking cheap for my skater but my skills will make up for it

[upper holly]

Fr, it’s good to know they are taking their time

[errant shard]

No official release date definitely nice to see

[gray fjord]

I would say same, but I'm a sucker for cosmetics, if I like them
so I'll probably end up paying a bit for some clothing

[young holly]

Yeee as long as we can unlock cosmetics aswell for grinding the game its all good

[errant shard]

Can be pushed back as much as they can without any outside pressure

[errant birch]

Preach man. Just give us a good product.

[mental glacier]

mfw they put a 20 dollar santa cruz deck with no actual design other than the logo in the in-game zumiez store

[upper holly]

Yeah but have some cosmetic that you can grind for and some that is only purchasable, cause imagine inserting 20 hours into a skin and at the end you could just pay 10$ for it? All that time would be just wasted.

[young holly]

Yeah exactly 💯

[visual oracle]

Zoomiez

[gray fjord]

I just seriously hope all the cosmetics I like the look of are obtainable without having to spend anything, I don't need another game I spend money on for the cosmetics

[mental glacier]

idk if u tryna correct me but its spelled zumiez. i need the last word

[young holly]

I hope there will be pro skaters that skate irl In the game

[visual oracle]

nah i wasn't trying to correct you i was just making a joke

[hasty matrix]

I’m 9999% sure we’ll get whatever currency from challenges and stuff to get whatever boxes or bags or whatever the will have

[mental glacier]

oh lol

[upper holly]

Like coach frank, he’s Jason lee, right?

[mental glacier]

my b

[vestal swift]

scan an irl deck to get the board in-game 💀

[visual oracle]

how would that work

[young holly]

Idk if coach Frank will return

[mental glacier]

copyright nightmare right there

[young holly]

As they said , it isn't a reboot or skate 4, it's just skate. And a completely different game ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[gray fjord]

like, buying a deck gives you a redeemable code? or

[vestal swift]

yeah lmao

I'm kidding though thats ridiculous

[visual oracle]

well that obviously wouldn't apply retroactively, and i don't think every single person who sells decks is gonna bother

[gray fjord]

i mean, halo infinite did it at some point

[upper holly]

Slippy from skate 2 died, he then returned in skate 3…. I think we have a good chance of him returning

[mental glacier]

actually useful amiibo

[young holly]

If skate school will be in the game, then hopefully coach Frank will too

[mental glacier]

i hope theres so much product placement in game i forget im playing one

[visual oracle]

that makes me think of a question but i don't think it'll be answered

[upper holly]

They once did that with the monster energy/ Dr Pepper collaboration in skate 3, you would get a code soooo yeah I wish to see that kind of thing

[vestal swift]

yeah that'd be nice

[upper holly]

Since this would probably be the last skate game, I do wish for so many characters to return

[kindred steeple]

just for that reason, coach frank could return who knows.

[visual oracle]

Like, considering the playtests are gonna be open to everyone, are the playtests gonna have a tutorial for people that haven't played Skate 3 for like 12 years like me

[gray fjord]

I'd imagine so, maybe like a brief one

[mental glacier]

how to play skate: spam the right joystick

[young holly]

I haven't played skate 3 since 2014 😔

[unique nebula]

Everything that you need to know regarding the playtest will be sent in the email (if you receive one) and then you’ll be in the know, ya know

[visual oracle]

okay fair enough

[gleaming peak]

Hi

[visual oracle]

hi

[faint sand]

incoming wall of text

[visual oracle]

i am prepared to not read it

[gleaming peak]

Wow

[unique nebula]

Incoming let’s not do this here

[faint sand]

oof ok

[gleaming peak]

Good morning

[faint sand]

anyways as an aspiring game dev I think lootboxes that there are no way to pay for and no way to "grind" without actually playing the game, and the option to just buy any cosmetic where rare ones aren't egregiously expensive, is the ideal solution I that wall of text was just a list of pros and cons for the different models explaining why I think this model is the best one

and as someone who wants them to make a profit I think it would be the most fun model for me as a player

[worn kite]

Just found out there’s loot boxes after they said there wasn’t 😒

Can somebody say money hungry EA

[crude quartz]

Surprise mechanics

[daring owl]

Bro no one said there is

[faint sand]

randomized rewards are a thing even in games without mtx, as long as you can't get stuck in a loop of grinding them instead of playing the game, or spending real money, it's a legitimately good game design element

lots of games have randomized rewards as a legit way to make them more fun

[gray fjord]

Like Descenders, I think

[gleaming peak]

This is officially my favourite message

[faint sand]

"diablo style random loot" is a popular mechanic in non-F2P games that don't even have mtx

[worn kite]

Boi I ain’t tryna grind to buy some chance of getting something cool

[errant birch]

Na man. I want to know what I'm getting.

[faint sand]

that's the thing you make it so you can't buy them

[worn kite]

Do it off the skate 3 mechanics of board sales and choosing what you want

[faint sand]

I would prefer this in a paid title but they can't make a profit off this system

[gray fjord]

I will say yeah, I prefer this way, lootboxes aren't something I'm a personal fan of

[faint sand]

again what you have to realize is that in an F2P game there needs to be a compromise if they want to 1. make a profit and 2. not rely on whales

[daring owl]

How is it different to getting a random item drop

[faint sand]

and this is the way to do it

[daring owl]

They're not putting in loot boxes

[faint sand]

yeah this is not loot boxes in the typical sense if you can't buy them

[gleaming peak]

Whales?

[worn kite]

Next they’ll say they have different filters for cameras purchasable in loot boxes

[faint sand]

whales are victims of predatory mtx systems that are like the 1% of players that succumb to the psychological tricks and waste thousands of dollars

[gray fjord]

that sounds like me

[faint sand]

you do not want to structure your game economy in a way that encourages or even allowed this because it creates victims

[gleaming peak]

Ahh, like me on fortnite

[errant birch]

I hope they keep the video/photo shoot thing they had on 3.

[faint sand]

you want to structure your game economy in a way that encourages a whole lot of people to spend a little bit of money

[visual oracle]

Whales are people that spend a lot of money on something. You see this a lot in free to play games with predatory MTX systems, or cryptocurrency.

[gray fjord]

Someone else who's spent 1k+ money on FN?

[worn kite]

8 year olds

Mommy’s credit card

[gleaming peak]

Yes

[scenic gull]

wow money well spent

[faint sand]

I hope that they don't get talked out of the free lootbox vs paid immediate buy system because I actually think players will prefer this over any other system

[scenic gull]

its a joke before everybody loses theyre minds

[daring owl]

It's actually not

[gray fjord]

I didn't want to spend that much, they just happen to make a lot of things I love and wanna spend money on

[faint sand]

once you get in the game and start unlocking cool stuff, maybe stuff that's not exactly what you want but still cool, and the more you play the more stuff you unlock that's closer to what you want, and that's without spending a dime

[visual oracle]

I can see where you're coming from. Honestly i'm just burnt out of the discussion.

[faint sand]

people will warm up to it, but I'm afraid of people not thinking it through and convincing them not to do it

[errant shard]

same as recoil or bloom in fps games which is essentially random

[gleaming peak]

Collabs on fortnite is what made me spend too much

[visual oracle]

I'm also seeing the potential in getting like 700 million dupes

[faint sand]

I mean that's a balance problem

[visual oracle]

random recoil and bloom are trash shooter mechanics if you ask me

[errant shard]

random to a point ofc lmao

[faint sand]

if you're getting 700 million dupes it's not because the idea was bad it's because it was implemented bad

[errant shard]

player still needs control but having a balance of control + randomness is needed in games

[visual oracle]

yeah fair enough

[gray fjord]

For me it was the emotes and cool looking skins, nowadays I usually only buy stuff with V-bucks I've earned through save the world, unless it's something I desperately want, like Panther

[faint sand]

there's going to be so many cosmetics in the game if they balance it right you'll rarely get dupes especially if they specifically program it to prioritize getting at least 1 new thing each time

[gleaming peak]

I can’t get that in save the world

[errant shard]

Should be like apex legends where you get currency for duplicates instead

[faint sand]

keep in mind comparing it to something like skins in overwatch or fortnite, you're rolling for individual clothing options, which there will be way more of

[unique nebula]

@gleaming peak can you tell me to get up

[gleaming peak]

That’s pretty much every game

[gray fjord]

That's a shame, it's probably the best deal I've gotten in the game

[gleaming peak]

Wake up. !!!! I need to get up too lol

[gleaming peak]

Get up

Cursed

[unique nebula]

Such a bizarre gif lol

[gleaming peak]

Ty

[faint sand]

like I'm imagining the experience of playing for free for hours and hours to get new stuff and maybe after a while paying a bit of money to get the one thing to complete my outfit and that sounds like the ideal F2P experience for me

[visual oracle]

@unique nebula https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2J51Q6pOATk

[faint sand]

I'm saying this as a player I seriously think this is the best model

[gray fjord]

amazing video, love that animator

[unique nebula]

Oh no I left the keys up on the table!!!

[crude quartz]

That’s if it’s exactly like that.

They didn’t really go in to much detail

[worn kite]

I still think they would’ve gotten the same recurring player base from a regular release compared to this f2p model it’s just more of a cash grab now

[visual oracle]

eh i wouldn't have bought the game on launch, i don't generally do that, cause lol no money

[faint sand]

it's the best we can hope for because it encourages both getting a lot of playtime from free players which is a player retention thing which is one priority for a long term game, and it also gives a reason to pay which is another priority without making it unfun to play for free

[gray fjord]

Honestly I'm over the idea of ridiculous outfits, so long as I can get a cute hoodie and skirt I'll be complete

[faint sand]

so I should hope it's exactly like that. There are definitely pitfalls with this method like making rare stuff too expensive, making it possible to buy lootboxes somehow, or making the drop rates for rare stuff too low

[gleaming peak]

Less of a cash grab. I think they just want to get more people into skating

[icy pilot]

Imo we would have gotten cosmetic mtx regardless of pricing model

[faint sand]

but if they avoid those pitfalls this is legit the best model

[worn kite]

Right you generally don’t do that. But for the hardcore skate fans who have been screaming it from the rooftops for the last 12 years would buy it on pre sale

[visual oracle]

I don't mind the concept of ridiculous outfits.

[icy pilot]

F2p isn't a bad model it just tends to get abused and it's usually the abusers of it that get the most attention

[gray fjord]

Nah me neither, I'd love it, but I feel like it might not happen, so I'm happy to just have some cute clothing

[daring owl]

Psychology, hook people with free stuff, get them addicted, make them pay for it..

[worn kite]

I think it’ll get players into the game but I’m talking recurring. Eventually people are going to see the F2P model and get upset with it like they do in every F2P model game (Fortnite Warzone etc)

[visual oracle]

yeah but they expressed an interest in having a broader playerbase with this game being how it is, and it would result in more people at least trying it.

[faint sand]

also another pitfall is a player economy that allows you to buy stuff from other players, which is something that absolutely RUINED counterstrike and they need to avoid that

[mental ocean]

Bro every morning I wake up I open my emails praying I see a cheeky smth smth

[icy pilot]

Almost every game has avoided this model as it can also be seen as gambling alot easier as the items have monetary values

[hoary phoenix]

Whos Tiggyboy

[icy pilot]

Eww it's head chopper

[mental ocean]

The multiplayer aspect of skate is gonna be so good 😩

[hoary phoenix]

But everyone complains about limited singleplayer

[mental ocean]

Really?

[young holly]

D-r-a-c-o

[hoary phoenix]

All the people i know do.

[icy pilot]

Meanwhile free roam and multi is all iv been excited for since day one 😆

[faint sand]

we don't know if there's going to be limited singleplayer and I remind everyone that "she a 10 but she only plays singleplayer games" tweet was a misunderstanding

[hoary phoenix]

Fr thats all i want too

[mental ocean]

👋

[hoary phoenix]

Ik we dint know anythingz thats the point 😂

[mental ocean]

Fr, I can't wait to meet the bois in skate and play pig

[visual oracle]

I feel like that was just said to save face after a social media manager made a bad tweet, to be honest

[faint sand]

first of all EA does not actually run that twitter account secondly the intention was to say "she won't play games with me" not "singleplayer games suck"

[icy pilot]

Tbh 99% of my game time is free roaming

[gray fjord]

I just personally hope I can skate alone, considering it seems like you can hit people over in the game from some board room footage, I'd rather not be targeted for no reason

[hoary phoenix]

I didnt even see that tweet.. twitter 💀

[barren bramble]

Guys, what if we have broken bones inside game? 😂

[hoary phoenix]

Probly an option to enable ir disable

[icy pilot]

@gray fjord pray for ghost settings

[mental ocean]

^ it'd be ruthless otherwise

[icy pilot]

Like GTA online has

[tepid copper]

Guys, I'm gay

[gray fjord]

practicing that rn lol

[gray fjord]

lets go, me too

[barren bramble]

Yes, we know you are happy

[icy pilot]

Well that's nice, I'm sunburnt

[faint sand]

if you post memes all days on a corporate twitter account and don't think a lot about what you post, a post like this that people misinterpret and go nuts over is eventually going to happen

[visual oracle]

👍

[tepid copper]

Definitely not

[faint sand]

I doubt the random person running the twitter account actually wants to tell people EA hates single player games

[barren bramble]

But why you said you are happy?

[icy pilot]

Sorry de wasn't meant to reply to you xD

[gray fjord]

Lol all good

[tepid copper]

🥔

[visual oracle]

i donno i just think they said something stupid and then rightfully took the L for it

[faint sand]

here's the thing though if you make a game like this what you want to do is make the core loop between single player and multiplayer as similar as possible which is easy to do in a skateboarding game and that way you keep people playing in both worlds

[icy pilot]

Everyones worried about f2p I just wanna know if I can make my own clothes still

[faint sand]

honestly and I say this from the perspective of the devs they're going to have to cut down on customization if they want people to buy branded stuff

[gray fjord]

pink clothing is all I want, pink everything

[hoary phoenix]

Idc about f2p, saves me 60 or even 80$, idc about clothing 😂

[icy pilot]

Tbh il always go online regardless as I like the chaos it would probably bring

[faint sand]

you can't have people trading logos that essentially counterfeit the branded clothing in an F2P game but I'm sure there will still be clothing with custom colors

[icy pilot]

It would all have to be vetted anyway

[visual oracle]

literally knock-off branded outfits

that'd be funny actually.

[faint sand]

but yeah the idea of a game like this even if multiplayer is a big part, you need a meaty single player because people need to be able to train their multiplayer skills when they don't want to play online

[visual oracle]

Knock off Supreme shirt that just has "STUPID" on it

[faint sand]

also want to mention that single player in this type of game is EXTREMELY easy to make compared to something like a heavily polished setpiece type single player in something like a WW2 shooter

[icy pilot]

Look at Forza and it's custom paint job system tho

[gleaming peak]

I would be mad

[icy pilot]

Plenty get nuked for copyright but plenty are great

[faint sand]

you have the game world already for the multiplayer, all you have to do is design some challenges, the majority of the work is already done for the multi

[visual oracle]

I wouldn't, i'd wear it cause it's funny

[faint sand]

I don't think there's any risk of them not having a single player at least on part with Skate 3

it's just not that expensive to make

[worn kite]

If EA shuts down the service for the game skate will be just another memory

That’s why I want single player mode

[faint sand]

yeah I'm scared of that if they make it always online that's a big fear

[gleaming peak]

Yeah. Single player is super important. Making it purchasable too would be good

[faint sand]

nuts to that, single player should be free

[gleaming peak]

Most single player games are paid

[worn kite]

That’s why I’d rather pay $60 for a game that isn’t just live service based

[icy pilot]

nah, with the cost of hiring potential voice actors and animators for a campaign free would be a stretch

[worn kite]

But I guess this is just the new era of gaming

[faint sand]

true but it's not like Skate 3 was choc full of hours of carefully choreographed cutscenes, it's fine

[icy pilot]

ngl i use warthunder as my ideal scenario for f2p, just because its been around for so long aand still feels like it can be f2p

[visual oracle]

like sure you may be wearing a genuine Supreme logo t-shirt, but my shirt is funny so who's really winning here

[faint sand]

also they've already got a ton of pro skaters on board and there is already a long history of having these pro skaters and the devs do the voice acting

[icy pilot]

ofc but that time costs money ^^

[faint sand]

any time costs money

it's not as much money as blowing a huge percentage of your budget on big name voice actors

[icy pilot]

still tho, thats why i cant see them doing a full campaign in singleplayer too for free

[worn kite]

Bring back big black #longliveBB

[faint sand]

there was only one celebrity voice actor non-skater in 3 and that was Jason Lee

[icy pilot]

but jason lee is a skater!

[faint sand]

is he? dang I didn't know

[icy pilot]

😮

[faint sand]

but yeah Jason Lee couldn't have been as expensive as getting someone like Nolan North

[icy pilot]

im turning my back in disgust right now 😄

[faint sand]

like I said I don't know anything about skateboarding lol

[icy pilot]

😛 neither do i but, jason lee is a national treasure xD

[obtuse frigate]

What do you guys think of the alpha leak for skate 4?

[visual oracle]

Having Nolan North would be weird

[icy pilot]

Tbh tho.. my favorite skater of all time.. is questionable :'D, love william spencer

[visual oracle]

Like, genuinely it'd be weird to hear him voicing someone NOT holding a gun

[faint sand]

but yeah single player in a game where you have hours of cutscenes, top budget voice actors, huge elegantly crafted single player levels, vs a game like Skate 3 where most of the budget is going into the mechanics and the world which would exist in multiplayer as well

[visual oracle]

not allowed to talk about it

[faint sand]

it's worth noting they don't have much incentive not to make a single player at least as big as skate 3

if not bigger

[icy pilot]

they should call a plumber before it turns into gamma radiation

[gleaming peak]

Rule 14.

[obtuse frigate]

Ok srry

[errant shard]

kinda sad tbh single player offering of S3 was awesome

[icy pilot]

Skate 1 has my favorite SP

[faint sand]

bruh I just said we're going to probably get one that good if not better and explained why

[icy pilot]

just wish theyd remaster it with foot movement even if its skate 2 foot movement

[gleaming peak]

They never said they won’t make a SP. They mentioned, you can unlock things like you used to in the old games

[scenic gull]

@gleaming peak vc

[faint sand]

they didn't specify that it will work exactly the same which is worth noting

[errant shard]

thought you said they don't have much incentive

[worn kite]

Right but it’s whole beating around the bush they did with their board room talk that’s got people worried

[faint sand]

I said they don't have incentive NOT to do it

[errant shard]

oh lol

[faint sand]

because it wouldn't take up that much of the budget

most of the budget will be on things that can be reused in multiplayer

there's an incentive for something like your battlefield or your call of duty to not deliver on the single player in favor of the multiplayer because of how expensive it is and how much dev attention it takes up, and that incentive doesn't exist here

there's way more shared between single player and multiplayer in this type of game

[icy pilot]

tbh i still think they should just go and release all the original maps for the new game over time

[faint sand]

that would be great

or even remaster the original maps like mario kart

[icy pilot]

dueling snakes would probably be awesome

best park imo on 2 😄

[faint sand]

I would say that's a bit demanding for scope though, the worlds in skate games are huge

[icy pilot]

yeah but you wouldnt have them all on the same world 😄

you have to travel to them

[gray fjord]

Personally I just want an original map for this one, cause I love playing all the skate games

[faint sand]

but it's a long term support game they have all the time to make whatever they think people will enjoy

[icy pilot]

thats why i say over time ^^

Start with 1's map since its huge but also the one alot of people probably didnt get to experience

like i wouldnt replace the old maps with the new one id have them as side things they randomly release down the line

[faint sand]

also worth noting that stuff like the parkour might change some things about how the maps in previous games work, and there are other issues like the way specific games are designed around where you are and aren't allowed to go

[gray fjord]

I kinda like returning to the old games for their maps

[faint sand]

like in Skate 2 it can be really frustrating to try to get to certain locations

[icy pilot]

yeah i mean alot of the urban areas in the old games are only one sided, so if the back side of a building faces the void.. its only half a building

[faint sand]

and skate 3 is full of reset ground that's IDEALLY in places that are hard to get to but might be easy with Skate.'s parkour

same with invisible walls

[icy pilot]

yeah but theres alot that can be done easily to remedy that ^^

[faint sand]

yeah just saying it might take some work to really clean it up

[icy pilot]

😆 check your dms in a min

[faint sand]

as much as I liked the art gallery's approach I can see EA not wanting to release something that sloppy again

even though I thought it was a lot of fun

[vale anchor]

Btw, I'm "offline" a lot

[visual oracle]

oh hi

[unique nebula]

I'm online too smh

[lean dew]

alrighty

[vale anchor]

If you read it and think about what it says in context, them "only playing single player" implies that they couldn't play together if they were dating because they aren't interested in co-op

[scenic gull]

is skate coming out soon?

[lean dew]

tomorrow

[faint sand]

yeah that's my interpretation

[scenic gull]

thanks @lean dew

[lean dew]

🤥

[vale anchor]

Well yeah, but your online online. I hide sometimes lol

[rare girder]

me three

[faint sand]

honestly though it's worth noting even then the tweet is still kind of dumb because watching a friend or SO play a single player game can be equally fun

[lean dew]

spooky ghost skyfi

[visual oracle]

yeah the tweet was just dumb from multiple angles and the social media manager probably shouldn't have posted it

[unique nebula]

👻

[lean dew]

me four

[faint sand]

if you run a social media account you're going to make this kind of mistake eventually unless you're like the guy who ran the Sonic twitter account who was amazing

[vale anchor]

Or Wendy's lol

[scenic gull]

lets go to a creed concert

[visual oracle]

I don't care for Wendy's twitter, I feel like that's one of the forms of corporate social media that I don't care for.

Where it's just comfortable enough to dunk on random people, like shut up, brand.

[vale anchor]

If you had the power to dunk on people like that and get away with it without your name attached to mitigate any real hate thrown at you, would you? I'd take that job in a heartbeat lol

[visual oracle]

I would dunk on people with my name attached, If it were justified.

I wouldn't sit behind the name of a large corporation to do that.

[vale anchor]

To each their own, I find it funny. Especially since it's not being mean for the sake of being mean. Just jokes

[gleaming peak]

Hi

[lean dew]

hi

[gleaming peak]

It’s me. Nik!

[faint sand]

I followed wendy's twitter for the memes and unfollowed when I found out their twitter account is 5% memes 95% pictures of salad

[lean dew]

Wow! its Nik!

[gleaming peak]

😎

[visual oracle]

i generally block most brand twitters i come across.

[sudden warren]

good morning all! time to wash the car, enjoy your mornings/days/nights!

[faint sand]

seriously they get you with the memes and then your twitter feed is like all ads

[visual oracle]

I just don't care, I run adblock for a reason.

[faint sand]

it's not like the sonic twitter account

[faint sand]

you can't block ads that are legit tweets from accounts you follow lol

[visual oracle]

if i see an ad from an account i follow then i unfollow

[vale anchor]

I've actually never followed, just watch the trickle through

[faint sand]

yeah that's why you don't follow the wendy's twitter

[vale anchor]

Their salads are good though

[lean dew]

adblock 😍

[faint sand]

yeah but I didn't follow that account to see salads

[vale anchor]

We know in your heart that's what you really want to see. Grade A content

[wary linden]

Morning

[lean dew]

morn ing

[visual oracle]

hi

[lean dew]

hi

no

[wary linden]

Rude

[lean dew]

agreed

[wary linden]

What I do? 😭

[lean dew]

Posaec, who peed in your cereal?

aa, understandable

[wary linden]

He’s just goofing, he loves me really

[lean dew]

awweee

🦍

[wary linden]

💀

[lean dew]

🐒

🦧

[wary linden]

Monkey?

[lean dew]

i love monkeys

[wary linden]

Fair enough, I’m more of a capybara man

[gray fjord]

i love cats

[lean dew]

how dare you

[gray fjord]

meow

[lean dew]

😡

[wary linden]

Cat good, monkey bad

[lean dew]

🔫 😡

[gray fjord]

not the water gun, anything but the water gun

[gleaming peak]

🎸What’s the Creed situation?🎸

[lean dew]

Water the cats

[gray fjord]

nooo you'll scare them away!!

[visual oracle]

I was watching footage of Riders Republic because it got recommended to me. That game has animal masks and those would be cool for this game

[lean dew]

g o o d

[gray fjord]

nnnnooooOOOO

[lean dew]

yes.

[gray fjord]

evil

[lean dew]

i actually used to spray our neighbors cat with a water gun ( the owner told us to use it cause her cat is aggressive )

[gray fjord]

ahh ok

[lean dew]

im scared of cats.

[gray fjord]

That's fair, I know some people scared of spiders

[lean dew]

🙋

[gleaming peak]

#off-topic #pets

[lean dew]

NIK >:(

[gleaming peak]

sorry, just saving the discord

[gray fjord]

ah yeah uhh

[lean dew]

😡 🔫

[visual oracle]

i'll spray you with a water gun

[lean dew]

no

[gray fjord]

people are really scared of skater spiders, the ones that can do several kickflips

[visual oracle]

🔫

[lean dew]

watergun battles in skate.!

[visual oracle]

they're too sick, i can't handle it.

[lean dew]

/j

[visual oracle]

Skate Royale

[lean dew]

👍

[vale anchor]

Y'all are wild this morning

[lean dew]

hey skyfi

[gray fjord]

100 player game of 1-Up?

[rose harness]

lmao imagine a skate battle royale hahah. everytime you see someone you need to 1UP them lmao

[vale anchor]

I'm going have an air fryer cooked breakfast burrito with taco bell sauce. But remember, @unique nebula is still watching you

[lean dew]

omg, sounds sooo good

[unique nebula]

What kind of taco bell sauce. This is super very important

[lean dew]

what if i said ive never had taco bell.

[gray fjord]

i love air fryers

[gleaming peak]

and me, I'm watching

[faint sand]

the only think about the mass multiplayer thing I'm worried about is griefers

[lean dew]

i think the "collabo zone" could get a bit chaotic with people ruining it..

[vale anchor]

I feel like there's only one right answer here...

[faint sand]

honestly if they do servers with admins like old school multiplayer games it might work

[unique nebula]

https://tenor.com/view/fire-burn-flame-gif-13734171

[visual oracle]

I donno i was just thinking of smacking them with your board

[lean dew]

spray the people with a spray can in the face

[faint sand]

it's so easy to grief in garry's mod, that game would have died with random matchmaking and I think skate. might have a similar issue