#Norse Mythology

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twilit charm
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For asking questions and discussing (accurate) Norse Mythology. For PJO or other interpreted info, please use #💬-percy-jackson or another channel.

nimble patrol
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Anyone here knows what's up with Odin's obssession with knowledge?

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Are there any sources talking about Vili and Vel? Odin's sibling?

north pewter
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Knowledge and power are pretty closely linked in the norse writings we have available. Odin’s quests for wisdom aren’t anything complicated, he believe that it will make him a better chief and occasionally knowledge on its own is a source of magical might.

There are a shocking number of one-off characters in Norse myth, because we have so few ‘primary’ sources that haven’t been edited towards Christian ideals. We have references that say they occasionally acted on Odin’s behalf when he was travelling, but again, all off-hand throwaway comments. There’s speculation that Hoenir and Lothur are alt names for Vili and Ve, and there’s also some interpretations that identify both of them as two aspects of the al-father, possibly to mirror abrahamic trinity. The Lokasenna does reference them directly by name, but they aren’t focus characters by any means.

It is thought that their names are hints as to their pagan identities, Vili meaning will and Ve meaning sacred/holy, and so their roles in pagan tradition could have been placed on par with Odin’s authority in those matters.

nimble patrol
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Hmm, interesting. Then what about Loki? In early interpretations he is nothing but helpful but became evil. Is it cause the christians?

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Not to mention some version says he is the sworn blood brother of Odin

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Others is that he is Thor's foster sibling

north pewter
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Thor’s sibling is a marvel thing, I can’t recall a academic source that identifies him that way. He’s widely Odin’s blood brother. Helpful is a weird way to put it. He was as disruptive as possible everywhere he went, and occasionally that helps the aesir, and occasionally it doesn’t. But yes, later interpretations of Loki identifying with the devil and evil as opposed to mischief are likely a Christian influence.

nimble patrol
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Hmm, then what about the forging of Gleipnir and certain other items?

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It uses paradoxical things right? Stuff that is meant to not exist because it clash against the items'

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nature

north pewter
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Kind of? From a meta sense, I guess. The idea, from what I understand of it, is not that they’re paradoxical items, but they’re universal items, so that the material is removed from the universe

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It’s not that the items are a paradox, and thus can’t exist. It’s that they existed, and the craftsman uses them up entirely.

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Gleipnir was made with the beards of women, the sound of a cat’s step, etc

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And by making gleipnir, those things were removed from existence

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It’s not the paradox that gives it power, it’s the fact that you’re using something that can never be used again

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“the noise of a cat's footfall, a woman's beard, mountain roots, the sinews of a bear, a fish's breath, and the spittle of a bird.” Full list.

nimble patrol
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I see.

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Interesting, tell me guys, what do you guys think about Ragnarok as a concept? Aisde from Baldur's death and Fimbulwinter coming, what else will occur?

north pewter
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What do I think, or what are we told about Ragnarok in addition to those two things?

nimble patrol
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Yes?

thick ibex
# nimble patrol Yes?

The sun will shine black, brothers will fight and no man shall show mercy to another. A wind age, a wolf age.
The Earth shall sink into the sea, before rising again anew.

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These are some of the other things that are said will happen during Ragnarök.

pure zenith
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whats yggsdrasil?

north pewter
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the world tree. It’s a tree that grows from a void called the ginnungagap and connects the realms together. At least nine that surviving texts care about enough to mention, but there could be more. No way to know for sure.

pure zenith
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I want to learn more about Norse mythology

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Like ratatoskr

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the main thing that got me into Nrose mythology is Pokemon

thick ibex
# pure zenith whats yggsdrasil?

It is the giant tree that grows in the middle of the world. But the actual name translates to mean "Odinn's horse", and that being potentially another way of saying "gallows".

thick ibex
# pure zenith Like ratatoskr

Ratatoskr is a squirrel who runs up and down the world tree carrying messages. It is generally associated with gossip.

pure zenith
thick ibex
pure zenith
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is the squirrel a messenger?

thick ibex
pure zenith
# thick ibex yes

So lets say i want to build a mythology based on ratatoskr, the eagle and hawk, and a few other things and set the story in france, would that be copyright infringement?

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Also, Im thinking more... Pokemon XY if they were more fleshed out if you were wondering why france

thick ibex
pure zenith
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Wdym?

thick ibex
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?

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What are you not understanding? Nobody owns the Norse Myths, nobody can sue you.

pure zenith
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So as long as i make the tree of life different enough from Pokemon Xerneas, Yveltal, and Zygarde, i should be okay?

thick ibex