G-Sync issues post old 511.xx Nvidia Driver

[wraith wharf]

It has to be a brightness issue or something related to the display profile

Why in the world would gsync work fine in HDR mode otherwise

[wraith idol]

@round robin im still having issues in HDR with G-sync

btw, where do guys find out that # for your display? that CSO ######## that ends in 1 or something else

[wraith wharf]

Here, asderdd found the trick about the brightness registries

[graceful flicker]

HWiNFO is one way to get it

[wraith wharf]

@sacred siren this panel seems to lose brightness calibration registries as well with 526.47

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/859207621408063498/1035528085853974568/unknown.png

User told me it's a 2022 model

[vapid escarp]

Mine too da1-8 unless i do an express driver install from 511.23

[wraith wharf]

No need to anymore

you can import the registry of 511.23 that asderdd shown

[vapid escarp]

I knew that, i just said that's how it works without reg

[wraith wharf]

ah

[next yoke]

can confirm. cannot adjust brightness at gpu mode only (hybrid or not) using scroll wheel. (or is that a normal behavior) need to use keyboard fn

actually im NY-8

[round robin]

A Lenovo technician via my premium care just had the cheek to tell me to just use the device in hybrid mode since he hears that “solves” this issue… 🥴

Great advice, glad I spent time and money choosing a laptop with a mux switch and g-sync ffs lol

[gilded cliff]

IKR

[lean geyser]

these fellas are so wonky

[sacred siren]

I need hardware id of gpu to proper check.

[rancid flame]

Just get a monitor and enjoy better visuals than the tiny 16" screen

QHD monitors drop in price for black Friday, like a LOT. use that chance to snag a good one

[round robin]

My brother i hope that's not a serious suggestion lol

[rancid flame]

It indeed is

I don't joke when I don't use emojis

[round robin]

Lol gosh. WELL, I already have a great monitor 🙂 (LG 27GP850-B) But see i bought a laptop not a desktop, to take with me on the go (Which I do every day for my job).

[rancid flame]

You game at work?

[round robin]

Yes lol

[rancid flame]

Oh then rip

Why not use hybrid mode for gaming? You play any eSports?

[round robin]

I'm a security guard pulling 14 hour shifts and this baby is my anchor lol

[rancid flame]

Sorry if I'm asking contradictory questions. But there are solutions to your issues, that's what I'm trying to bring in

[rancid flame]

Ooh lmao. I too was till 2 months ago

[round robin]

They are only temporary solutions my man but don't worry i'm aware of them. More than anything this a matter of principle. I PAID for a G-Sync laptop with a Mux switch.

[rancid flame]

Indeed. I'm not suggesting to bend your principle. I'm just suggesting to stop the insanity that's dwelling within you these past weeks

It's hard indeed. But until a proper fix comes out, use the alternative methods and enjoy it until then

[round robin]

For now i can use G-Sync with HDR enabled which works, but i want this issue resolved universally.

[wraith wharf]

Kira is actually one of the very few guys that never talks bullshit in these servers, I already got used with it. Not that I praise him but he's usually always right when he says something.

[round robin]

I'm not nearly as stressed as I perhaps appear on this issue, frankly. More than anything it passes the time while at work a bit. When I'm off duty my attention is certainly on other things aha.

[wraith wharf]

For me this gsync issue doesn't bother me in single player games, I can bear with it(as an ex gtx 660 user) but I can't stand it in WoW where I need fluid gameplay

it kills my braincells

if I move my camera quick and my fps drops from 150 to 120, boom micro-stutter

[rancid flame]

not that I praise him, but praises him nevertheless

[round robin]

I just hate it period. I think i've said this before but it's like nails on a chalk board, but for my eyes lol

[wraith wharf]

I would react with a specific emoji to what you said now but I rather not

[rancid flame]

:)

[wraith wharf]

no, not that

:)

no Undervolti here to annoy him with ":)" :(

[rancid flame]

Yeah Lenovo is shady indeed. Not in terms of support but in terms of technical knowledge. I can easily say without any shame that i possess "more" tech knowledge then their customer support tech

But look at any big brand out there, be it apple or Microsoft or Google, all have their shit part

[wraith wharf]

This is true nonetheless

[round robin]

on a separate note, what do you guys know about custom static rgb profiles (the trick with killing icue but keeping a custom static profile)

[rancid flame]

It all depends on how quick they respond in addressing the issue. Lenovo is almost at the bottom of the barrel

At least the gaming division

[rancid flame]

Yeet icue out of your system and use open RGB KEK

[round robin]

Oh does Open RGB work on Legion 7?

[rancid flame]

Ofc yes

[rancid flame]

This is openrgb

[round robin]

hmmm, i was under the impression it didn't work 😬

[rancid flame]

Sorry if you have to download it

[rancid flame]

I got the legion 7 due to that LOL

I was joking about getting legion 7 once i saw it running well in a legion 7. Although it was a beta version

2 weeks later i got this baby

Works splendid tbh

[round robin]

Just for RBG lol

[rancid flame]

I forgot the existence of ice kek

[rancid flame]

But ofc

[lean geyser]

i know right. lenovo technician came to my house and i asked him not to remove heatsink or thermal paste for putting new ram lol

[round robin]

Yeah i ''yeeted'' iCUE almost immediately when i got my machine last year but last few days found a guide on how to keep a custom static profile using iCUE but also killing the battery drain process. Only issue is it doesn't remember the custom profile after shutdown... so it's whack.

[wraith wharf]

want me to tell you what answer I got when I called my warranty service about cleaning the laptop? They said that they clean the laptop and put new paste

when I heard "new paste" I instantly got angry in the phone call

and started to say from where does the Legion paste come, etc

and the girl over the call went quiet acting dumb

They think legions are like every laptop, just get some random paste and slap it there

[round robin]

I think mine could do with a re-paste. But i'm fucking clueless when it comes to the knowhow

[lean geyser]

and then he was like what is a thermal paste

[round robin]

I've looked for a video guide but can't find any

[lean geyser]

#1020285176531669012

[round robin]

Damn just seen this thing about disabling Dynamic Boost... Does that mean i can draw 175w on the 3080 like the gen 7??

[round robin]

Ohhh so you don't actually use any paste on the legion 7? You use those pads?

[rancid flame]

Unless you want to apply stock paste and allow them to cure for 18hrs and then mount the thermal assembly on top. Pads are best bet

If u need a vid or some sort i got them too. Dunno if it's added in knowledgebase

[round robin]

So to be clear, zero paste, just pads only?

[rancid flame]

Yes

Gimme a minute, i made a guide for dummies. Not that you're dumb btw

https://laptopwiki.eu/index.php/docs/laptop-repaste-guide/

[lean geyser]

U can use paste but pads btw

Ftw

[tired citrus]

hi

I got an error

i did give him full adminitration

I have the same issue that when HDR on it made the game to go down its brightness

to its lowest value of brightness

[sacred siren]

You have to do in regedit for this path
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\nvlddmkm\State\DisplayDatabase

Don't change permissions of file itself

[tired citrus]

yes i am in this path but idk what to do ini this path

[wraith wharf]

Right click on on the folder

I'm on the phone, right click and send me a pic of the options.

[tired citrus]

ok

[wraith wharf]

Permissions

[wraith wharf]

In first pic

[tired citrus]

ok

ooh i get it

[wraith wharf]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1032808220730859520/1034458433501532160/unknown.png

Make them like asderdd shown

[tired citrus]

ok

[wraith wharf]

Now run the registry file

And restart your pc

[tired citrus]

wow

thanks

i will restart it later

[tired citrus]

I LOVE YALL

IT REALLY WORKED
NO MROE GREY MOUSE USING HDR

WHOHOOO

stuck with this issue after i reinstall the windows

[wraith wharf]

Thank to asderdd for that, he's the savior 🙏

Keep track of this in case you ever clean install again.

[sacred siren]

I will try to make a batch script that register the entries and changes the permissions too by itself.

[wraith wharf]

If you got the time and want to, would be awesome. It's enough the way you explained already and people should understand by default, it's not that difficult 👍

[sacred siren]

Can you guys test it ?

[tired citrus]

mr

me

whoa

kool

[tired citrus]

also it fixed many hdr games

for real

[craggy dune]

If I take a backup of registry before running this , I should be good to go if it fucks up ?,

[sacred siren]

It won't fuck up, changes that this script made can be wipe with a clean install or ddu.

[wraith wharf]

@sacred siren do you think it's possible to extract the gsync registry from 511.23 and we use it on 522.25? Maybe it's a stupid question but someone opened my mind with it.

[sacred siren]

I looked for several hours to find something about g-sync in registry but no luck.

But I'm still hoping that we can find a way to fix by ourselves.

[wraith wharf]

Are you looking with driverstore explorer?

[sacred siren]

Mosty I search strings in the driver package with file locator pro.

[gilded cliff]

Hmm who was the legend

[gilded cliff]

I also got a colour profile found on reddit

Unfucks hdr

Profile + windows HDR bar at 70+ + brightness fix registry

= great HDR, atleast better than sdr

Will send when on PC

[gilded cliff]

@tired citrushttps://www.reddit.com/r/LenovoLegion/comments/wbt2q0/legion_5_pro_tuto_to_set_up_hdr/

[wraith wharf]

Any of you tested these 2 to see if they affect the gsync stutter?

For me they seem to do nothing lmao

[sacred siren]

I didn't personally

[wraith wharf]

I don't want to think it's windows related tho

I still blame nvidia

[sacred siren]

It's a hundred percent I think

[sacred siren]

@wraith wharf can you test it ?

[gilded cliff]

didnt affect

tried it

[wraith wharf]

ye, sec

[wraith wharf]

I suppose I gotta install 526.47 again to get the dim screen first

[gilded cliff]

47 is shit

[wraith wharf]

yeah yeah

just for testing purposes I meant

[sacred siren]

on mine it's vice versa

[wraith wharf]

dim with 522.25 and not with .47?

[sacred siren]

hdr works normally on 526.47 and 511.79 with a little bit different contrast. Sdr brightness slider levels are different without registry.

on the any other version (except 511.79 and 526.47) above 511.23 hdr is completly broken

randomly dims when sliding the brightness bar

but sdr works normally

[wraith wharf]

Wait, let's just put our pics with the registry keys themselves to see who has which

sec

This is what I have with 522.25 installed

and this is inside the CSO16000 folder

Computer\HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\nvlddmkm\State\DisplayDatabase\

@sacred siren are these identical with yours?

[sacred siren]

it seems same

[lean geyser]

nope nothing for me

[wraith wharf]

Why do you have some extra ones then

you imported them yourself or

[sacred siren]

yep

[wraith wharf]

Ah, I see

[sacred siren]

I'm on hybird mode after ages

brightness slider is way more accurate

on SDR

[wraith wharf]

Brightness in hybrid is actually perfect for me

[next yoke]

this is normal right? for hybrid mode?

locked brightness slider in task icon i mean

[wraith wharf]

Nope

[vapid escarp]

I'd stay in hybrid more if it weren't for that lag/stutter in windows

[sacred siren]

In hybrid mode it's feels like g-sync disabled.

[wraith wharf]

Because you benefit from AMD freesync

Yeah

[sacred siren]

Freesync is enabled but still feels nothing is enabled

[wraith wharf]

Hmm

You have the 22.5.1 driver from amd website?

Latest recommended

[sacred siren]

Or the freesync is not smooth as g-sync.

[sacred siren]

Yep

Most likely it's same as when I disable g-sync.

[wraith wharf]

I'm playing gsync off now

Life is... well, not so cool

[tired citrus]

thanks

[gilded cliff]

it is smooth

u would get slightly lesser fps tho

[gilded cliff]

try it and tell

am playing GOW

[tired citrus]

ok

[tired citrus]

damn that looks insanely good

sooo good

Highest contrast

[gilded cliff]

and people be complaining its shit

better than SDR

[tired citrus]

lmao

true

so much darker color

and more colors

best guide i ever had

46 in setting display

superb

very balanced for me

[gilded cliff]

can u see the red 'W'

[gilded cliff]

screen brightness?

cuz i set my brightness 100%, and 45 brightness and contrast in nvidia cp, and 80 as HDR brightness

[tired citrus]

no

[tired citrus]

for the setting -display- windows color setting scrool down to the bottom

[gilded cliff]

u should be able to

if ur settings are ok

[tired citrus]

sheesh

[gilded cliff]

100% brightness on screen

[tired citrus]

im 80

holy crap

[gilded cliff]

HDR

[tired citrus]

i set it up at

[gilded cliff]

No hdr

Idk if difference is visible in photos

[tired citrus]

max

[gilded cliff]

It's fine

[tired citrus]

gaved me W

[gilded cliff]

Ok

[tired citrus]

damn

[gilded cliff]

Test it in games

[tired citrus]

ok

dont think this gonna have difference in csgo

[gilded cliff]

Values will be different for different screen brightness

[gilded cliff]

Lol

[tired citrus]

Lol

turned HDR off

looks blueish

[gilded cliff]

On

Off

Off looks washed out in front of hdr

[tired citrus]

kool

honestly

i only dragged the brightness down to 45%

it shows W

[tired citrus]

yeah the gold plating

isn't that yellowish compared to on

[compact hazel]

HDR 400 sucks TBH, you’ll get better colors for sure but the drawback is you’ll loose out all the blacks it looks grey and the screen fill flicker when you get into some darker area it will adjust brightness accordingly

[gilded cliff]

I don't really notice any flicker@compact hazel

Unless am in game menu

And blacks are black alright
They aren't grey

[compact hazel]

Go to youtube or reddit then turn on/off hdr

You’ll see a difference

HDR needs local dimming and sadly that’s not possible on an IPS panel

[graceful flicker]

Has nothing to do with an IPS panel, but entirely a result of the backlight

[compact hazel]

Yeah that only

you should have a mini led or an oled display to achieve maximum contrast and true HDR

[summer prawn]

bro why is this ticket still being updated after so many many days and so long messages

[tired citrus]

idk

this ticket also helped my hdr

nvidia driver screwed up the hdr

also the g-snyc

[rancid flame]

Funnily yesterday when I played plague tale. Somehow GSYNc didn't work. The game was as choppy as I had seen here with GSYNc on lol

Also that's QHD ultra mode right? Try dldsr + dlss performance and see how is the quality

Or even dldsr + balanced mode

Quality is better than native in mine. Performance mode was blurry in some places. But balanced mode nailed it

[wraith wharf]

I'm not entirely sure about the gsync being a problem for me in the game other than with the flickering.
The game even with gsync off still has some moments when it catches a 0.5 sec stutter when you turn the camera quickly or so. I would blame the optimization regarding that since in other games I did not face this.

[rancid flame]

This is due to how AMD handles it. AMD is superior to Nvidia now when it comes to drivers at least lol

I boot to dgpu mode after every driver update and my display is same color as my piss when I have not drank water the whole day

[wraith wharf]

I tried only quality dlss + full maxed out

[rancid flame]

And what fps you got?

[rancid flame]

Yeah could be that. That 0.5ms stutter that you notice that can't be recorded by Riva tuner is basically micro stutter

But as for optimisation I'm not sure tbh. Cos with GSYNc on my game is fluid. But also could be due to external monitor. So both of us don't have the same use case

That's why I said use hybrid ON for that game

[wraith wharf]

It's usually 60-70. Depending on zone. I'm close to ending the game but I've met places where my fps was 50-ish

[rancid flame]

Ooh that's at QHD?

I get similar fps with dldsr

But i checked VRAM too. Doesn't cross 7.5GB when i force Nvidia to use VRAM only for the foreground game

Also regarding GSYNc stutter. Let me drop this here, since i remembered it now

Based on my understanding of GSYNc stutter, it only occurs in dgpu mode cos nvidia GPU handles foreground and background task. So when a game is running it needs to enable gsync for the fulls screen application such as a game as well as make sure the background app functions well too. So during code compiling for the driver, few miscalculations lead to GSYNc functioning poorly. Since Nvidia GPU cannot then handle both foreground and background applications along with GSYNc control. Seems such a lame thing to say, but that's where Nvidia sucks. Their optimisations per driver can be a hit or a miss. That's why when using hybrid mode, Nvidia GPU has to only control the foreground app, so GSYNc works flawlessly

If you have ANY issues with the Nvidia driver. Make sure to first test it in hybrid mode. 99% of the issues that are not related to specific game can be asily rectified thru that.

[wraith wharf]

For me the easiest and simple example to test the bad effects of gsync the fastest way is to check WoW's loading screen artifacts.
With gsync off - > no artifacts during loading
With gsync on - > always artifacts on loading
With hybrid on - > no artifacts
With 511.23 - > no artifacts

Obviously it's gsync itself

[next yoke]

from Nvidia

[tired citrus]

nice

[dreamy solar]

this may be the very first time I have ever heard this sentence

and I'm inclined to agree

[wraith wharf]

Level 2? Soon to need agent 47 to do their job

[vapid escarp]

"it's working fine"

[wraith wharf]

Mine is on its way to warranty tomorrow. Maybe panel replacement by mistake

[vapid escarp]

Well I wish you luck. As I said this issue will not get fixed

Live with it

[wraith wharf]

I'll remove login password so they can see I don't have vantage and install it as extra

[vapid escarp]

I don't think theyll bother with that

[vapid escarp]

Do you mean in hybrid mode with an external screen ? As I don't see other way to have gsync in hybrid

[next yoke]

either blind or lenovo don't give a fuck. they probably testing it on those new panels which probably don't have the problems. let's see if i can get lenovo to replace my panel instead.

but to be honest, this is on nvidia to fix

[vapid escarp]

At this point I belive that they don't give a fuck. whether it's or nvidia or not that's not important. If lenovo cared this woul've been fixed through nvidia at their request. I find it hard to belive they actually ''looked into it'' And if they did on units who don't behave this issue to begin with then ofc they find no problem

[wraith wharf]

Guys, the same way it's been working in 511.23 they should be able to fix it back in the future. I'm pretty sure it's very possible and won't be something that will remain unsolved. Despite not knowing exactly what 511.23 offers in terms of gsync compared to other drivers such as 522.25 it does seem something solvable.

[vapid escarp]

[gilded cliff]

even if u want it to be replaced

they would give same part number

exact screen

[lean geyser]

those bitches always say that lol

they told me my mobo waas fine for my old ideapad when it was clearly chrashing and restarting atleast a 100 times

these bastards(as i feel like) do not want to spend their money on helping customers and all

atleast here in india

basically its so bullshit that with or without warranty its the same

[rancid flame]

But ofc. Kira only states facts

[rancid flame]

Yes cos my pov is much different than other ppl. Since i always learn how each things work and then wrap my understanding around it

Much easier to deduce issues

[dreamy solar]

yea

[rancid flame]

U can play any AAA game in hybrid mode without an external display

Negligible perf loss

Or use external monitor yeah

[rancid flame]

gets motherboard replaced instead and gets an amazon 2€ paste preapplied

[wraith wharf]

Nah. That ain't happening.

I'm not buying into your paranoia inducting sentences.

(I did mention that the laptop does not need repaste in bold, btw)

gotta be prepared

[rancid flame]

You don't have to. As long as the person who is going to repair your laptop does, then all good

[round robin]

Just letting you all know I'm still around even though I haven't been chiming in. I got a fairly mild response back from premium care after a back and forth with them. >>>

Thank you very much for all the details.

I have forwarded everything to the relevant department, who will look into this and hopefully get back to us with a solution or some update.
As soon as I have any info I will make sure to notify immediately.

If you obtain any new info in the meantime, please let me know.

Please don't hesitate to contact us if you have any more questions.

[wraith wharf]

I still did not get an answer to my ticket towards Nvidia support but they received it which I'm glad for. We people from here + some on reddit made this issue spread enough and I hope it goes even further so that Nvidia sees that a wide range of people are affected by this.

[round robin]

I haven't gotten an answer from my Nvidia ticket either (which is kind of irritating tbh) But yeah ever since making this post here it seems like more attention has been brought to it so here's hoping!

If we don't see a fix by January-ish I'm gonna RMA just to be annoying lol. Another guy i spoke with has his RMA right now and Lenovo's response has been to replace the motherboard on his L5P. He's gonna let me know if that fixes it when he has it back though i did warn him that's unlikely!

[next yoke]

hopefully nvidia technical support is doing due diligence when testing and actually get the panel models i tested. and the games i listed i am having issues with.

[lean geyser]

bro why do these people always say "sir motherboard problem"

[wraith wharf]

Because most of the things are connected to the motherboard and all the blame can be easily thrown at it?

[lean geyser]

Good logic

[gilded cliff]

i had a misogynist joke

but nvm

[dreamy solar]

good job for not saying it because it was bound to be unfunny

i'm glad you can practice self control in not being a bigot

[gilded cliff]

unfunny for u sure

dont say for everyone

[dreamy solar]

"haha women dumb now laugh"

cringer

this server's not the place for that conversation though so i won't be continuing bashing you for it

[vapid escarp]

526.86 driver is out and no mention of gsync issue beeing addressed...

[gilded cliff]

feeling sad with 69 others

[next yoke]

Creating a channel to highlight the issues with a playlist. First playlist is for the Lenovo OEM driver (which is, to be fair, less buggy than newer Nvidia drivers), then the newest Nvidia driver, then the working driver.

just a quick sample: https://youtu.be/_zAteSBE7ck

[gilded cliff]

Because it's old

Lenovo driver

511.x were fine

[vapid escarp]

At this point the problem is wll know by them...

[summer prawn]

bro how is this thread still alive lol

[lean geyser]

cuz people are mad at novido

[gilded cliff]

unfollow it?

[wraith wharf]

Because we built a strong community of mad people and we have torches and forks

[summer prawn]

LOL

[round robin]

So a guy I been speaking with outside of this thread got his L5P back from ''repair''. Shock horror the G-Sync issue still exists. He's already sent it back again. Apparently after 3 attempts the door for a refund is open.

[wraith wharf]

I must point out that the 3 attempts rule is a thing in my country too. If your device gets sent 3 times with the same problem and they fail to fix it.

Service can't fix gsync so gl to the guy tryharding that

[round robin]

Yeah he's very aware RMA won't fix it, he's playing the refund game now.

[dapper junco]

well well well

but for what then?

[round robin]

Oh i don't know what his plan after that is, buy a laptop where G-Sync works i guess lol

Hell if i follow this route before my warranty ends and they don't patch it i'll take a refund and save it for a 4080 laptop next year lol

Either way is kind of win win really

[rancid flame]

Saves that money and gets desktop with no GSYNc issues instead

Like how I refunded my odyssey G7 and got the qd OLED instead

[wraith wharf]

Ampere tests show about 5% perf increase with 526.86 over 522.25 for desktop users in dx12 titles apparently.

https://www.reddit.com/r/nvidia/comments/yrhch9/game_ready_driver_52686_faqdiscussion/ivu8r1b?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3

[sacred siren]

I didn't install yet

What about HDR?

[wraith wharf]

No clue. I don't have access to my laptop for 12 days already so I can't test anything.

526.47 had some weird visual artifacts in Edge for me

[sacred siren]

526.47 is weird for me too

I'm on 522.25

[wraith wharf]

Also, 511.79 for desktop users seems to be pretty fat. It holds face to face with 522.25 and new drivers in terms of performance.

Proof of how much it matters to know which is the best driver for your machine and not to always update to latest hoping for increases

[meager elm]

the problem is that many games don't work properly without the latest drivers.
The latest drivers (526.86) fix serious bugs on Modern Warfare 2

(I'm the guy who spoke to SH4DY who is bringing the L5P with the gsync problem to assistance)
my goal at this point is to get a refund and buy something else.
I believe i will not buy lenovo laptops anymore

[wraith wharf]

Your call, bro. I've bought mine due to needing portability otherwise I would have went with a desktop

But I've been having decent experience with it, can't say I haven't enjoyed it. Just needs a lot of tinkering and care here and there and it's cool.

[meager elm]

I haven't had many laptops, but this is definitely the best I've had.
But it was also what I paid the most.
I am very annoyed because I wish I could use the laptop for what I bought it for
I will, however, keep you informed on how the story will turn out.
It will take another 20 days or so to get the laptop back to me.

[wraith wharf]

I am having mine in service since 12 days ago because they planned to change the upper deck and I'm still waiting and waiting.. They said they ordered it from Lenovo and yeah..

I hope this upcoming week I get it back

[next yoke]

the new driver 526.86 solved the flickering issues related to gsync. There is still stuttering (most annoying issue) and overshooting. Overshooting/ghosting i can record but i dunno how to show nvidia support that the game is stuttering. It doesn't show in time frame graph

[wraith wharf]

I probably forgot to mention here, are you having panel overdrive off? Some of the ghosting and overshoot comes straight from that setting alone and not the driver itself. What I'm saying is for 100‰ test to see if it's just the driver, have overdrive off

[next yoke]

yes it is off

[round robin]

New issue with Forza Horizon 5, not sure if it’s the new 526.86 driver or what but getting these mega unclean frame times which is consistently giving this readout on the frame time graph. Gameplay is SUPER CHOPPY now lol. Not G-Sync related though since the frame time/choppy frames look the exact same on or off. I’m not home rn to test it against my external monitor. Does anyone have FH5 with driver 526.86 to test?

[light forge]

Tonight, I decided to load up FH5 on my L7 16ITHg6 (DA1-6 display panel) with the 526.86 driver running at max 1600p resolution, Hybrid off and G-Sync enabled. Yes, the game stutters, but what FH5 recently updated with is DLSS support. I turn that on, and while it is poorly implemented, I noticed that the stuttering seems to have stopped, or at least isn't as noticeable. Doesn't seem to matter on the DLSS quality either.

[torpid sparrow]

I still don’t get why stutters appear. I’m using 522.25 driver, and get stutters in COD:MW2. Whyy-y-y-y…

[wraith wharf]

Because mw2 is probably similar to marvel Spiderman and requires the latest driver to perform properly.

[torpid sparrow]

As we’ve discussed on another server before, I did update to the latest driver but other crap appeared so I was, basically, forced to downgrade.

[sacred siren]

just released

[lean geyser]

test it

[sacred siren]

I've installed

Testing right now

same shit

as expected

[lean geyser]

looks like skill issue for ur panel/novidio

[sacred siren]

[lean geyser]

idk man i dont have this gsync issues

oh wait

fh4

that game is ass in optimisation

stutters like hell

try other games like rdr2

or cyberjunk

[sacred siren]

Fh4 and Fh5 are good for testing g-sync stutter

[lean geyser]

oh

[wraith wharf]

Nah lads, whole 526 is doomed, not even worth wasting time with it

[craggy dune]

Bruh FH4 has good optimization

I could run it on a Intel HD at 20 fps constant

[lean geyser]

i meant like in stutters and other issues

[rancid flame]

What happened to "damn 526.86 is damn good, no issues other than GSYNC flicker that exists since 511.79"?

[rancid flame]

That's a driver problem

Not a game problem

I played FH4 with a 1660ti

80fps at FHD

Damn smooth and no stutters

[rancid flame]

Cos ur panel does not have fancy GSYNC

[wraith wharf]

What?

Look when my message got sent

It's a day old

I sent the. 526.98 one way later

[rancid flame]

Day old is not months old

But nice

I won't update driver until 533 cones out

[wraith wharf]

So far I did not have any issue with 526.98 tho

the gsync flicker/stutter is normal since it's same branch as 526 (and all of the previous had it)

[rancid flame]

Then why the 526 is doomed comment?

U don't make sense here

[wraith wharf]

Kira

[rancid flame]

Feels like split personality

[wraith wharf]

that comment was made before I even tested .98 myself

[rancid flame]

Oh

[wraith wharf]

I first check my resources then test a driver

[rancid flame]

Then should have corrected it then

[wraith wharf]

I never download and test a driver straight up

[rancid flame]

Actually thought u did

[wraith wharf]

I am first looking for benchmarks, crashes/perf issues

[rancid flame]

Since u switch drivers pretty fast

[wraith wharf]

Nah, I just wanted to see if Mitschud's words were true

not that I doubt him but wanted to test myself as well

[rancid flame]

Spiderman miles morales does not work with 522.25?

[wraith wharf]

if they will make the game as previous one was, it won't

previous one absolutely needed the new driver

516.94 back then iirc

but people over reddit managed to import the code of 516 into older drivers such as 511 and make it playable

[rancid flame]

Yeah at worst i won't play the game. But if i did I'll try to insert the code of new driver to 522.25

[lean geyser]

eh

i have g-sync

[rancid flame]

165hz panel?

[lean geyser]

yes

ew 120Hz

[wraith wharf]

@lean geyser show him your alien panel

[lean geyser]

mald

[rancid flame]

ooh AUO

that panel is same quality as legion 16" panels

[lean geyser]

u know any sussy info on it?

[rancid flame]

^^

[lean geyser]

like mine doesnt have g-sync issues or any issues these plebs are facing

[lean geyser]

[rancid flame]

here is my display /s

[gilded cliff]

or buy fresync

laptop

[wraith idol]

sup everyone, do our computers work and play games properly yet? =/

[next yoke]

as long as u turn off gsync yes

[wraith wharf]

I did not mention something here but:
I've been playing Spiderman Miles Morales with gsync on and I did not face a single issue on 526.98 as of now

But I did have them in APT Requiem and WoW

It gotta be game related somewhat as well. Why every game flickered but this one did not

[next yoke]

maybe it's how game engines interact with gsync

[sacred siren]

Not every dx12 game has stutters

But most of them have

[wraith wharf]

I feel we should have mentioned this so that Nvidia can "test" better?

[vapid escarp]

I did countless times in my tickets. Rdr2 also works great with gsync on regardless of driver

[wraith wharf]

For me it had flickers on 516.94 driver last time I tested the game

[gilded cliff]

Nvidia: just buy a better monitor

[wraith wharf]

I can honestly live without gsync in 99% of the games but for the love of God make it work well in WoW

Competitive games without gsync are cringe

[sacred siren]

https://www.panelook.com/NE160QDM-NM1_BOE_16_LCM_overview_54555.html

We have to buy this one

[wraith wharf]

Ampere tests for 526.98:

https://www.reddit.com/r/nvidia/comments/ywt22r/comment/iwn5vbl/?context=3

[sacred siren]

1250 nits, mini led

True HDR

[wraith wharf]

TL:DR -

[sacred siren]

I rolled back to 511.23

Newer games runs fine when the dlss disabled.

[wraith wharf]

[sacred siren]

I hate the bugs of this game

Another one is coming

[wraith wharf]

it looks good

https://tenor.com/view/de-atomizer-pistols-shooting-lasers-pew-pew-shooting-target-gif-14078319

[sacred siren]

Holy lightings

[wraith wharf]

what are these lights lmao

I went to 526.86 now

[sacred siren]

Comes from heaven

[gilded cliff]

whats issue in .9x

[wraith wharf]

gets linked above

proceeds to ask

[gilded cliff]

downloading warzone

just to see bugs

pixelated super Saiyan people

[wraith wharf]

for WZ I would say you need latest

[gilded cliff]

i am having latest

GOW is fine

[wraith wharf]

522.25 also seems to perform well

[gilded cliff]

miles momos would have been tested by now if speed wasnt fucked

[wraith wharf]

not my fault you peeps did not start to download it from yesterday

[craggy dune]

Steam download is fast sar

Use faster internet

[wraith wharf]

Nvm. There is slight flicker now that I've paid better attention.

526.86

[sacred siren]

511.23 is final

[rancid flame]

522.25 here riding like a champ

has anyone tried gaming with an external monitor?

it prolly wont have any issues with external monitor, like i do

[gilded cliff]

Who said I was using stream

[lean flint]

Hi guys, just following. I only noticed the stutter last week playing elite dangerous. Steady FPS, but the game is stuttering. I’ve got a L5 15ITH5H.
I’m reluctant to downgrade the driver, now that advanced Optimus is working with the Epic Games Launcher. Not sure if the fix was made on the side of Epic or Nvidia.

I might just turn off G-SYNC until the issue is resolved

[gilded cliff]

That's what we all are doing

Or have capped fps near the minimum fps u get

[round robin]

https://tenor.com/view/waiting-futurama-seymour-gif-8546899

[dapper junco]

Kinda glad I got a legion 5

[lean geyser]

why? legion 5 also has gsync

[dapper junco]

but non of these problem mostly due to the panel

[lean geyser]

yeh lol

these peasents have these issues

L

[dapper junco]

[meager elm]

I'll probably find out tomorrow what they intend to do to "fix" my l5p for the second time

My only hopes are they will change the panel, it is the only sensible thing I can think of if they really want to fix this laptop

meanwhile, I started looking for some new laptops lol

[wraith idol]

@meager elm what panel do you have?

[meager elm]

CSOT T3 - MNG007DA1-1
Already sent for assistance, replaced mobo but the problem remains.

[wraith wharf]

Yeah, obviously. They gonna replace motherboard, screen, see that there's nothing else related they can do and then that's it.

[meager elm]

probably yes

[wraith idol]

where do i check my panel again

[wraith wharf]

HwiNFO - Monitor Name.

[lean geyser]

just get my panel

[wraith idol]

fuckin

hwinfo site is just plagued with adds

i dont even know which download button is legit

whack ass shit

[lean geyser]

close

just use u block origin

[wraith idol]

Monitor Name (Manuf): CSOT T3 MNG007DA1-6

is that one of the ones with issues?

[lean geyser]

u tell us whether u have issues or not

[wraith idol]

i have more issues than i can shake a stick at

screen dimming, artifacts, random black screens with a weird alien image in top left corner, etc

[meager elm]

instead I don't know anything yet.
delivered to service on 12/11, they haven't done anything yet.
Compared to the first sending, they are taking a long time

EDIT 01 Dec: No updates yet 😥

[pure pond]

Someone posted that 527.37 fixed the G-Sync issue. Could anyone confirm this? I'm currently at work so cannot verify it.

[wraith wharf]

Guys, stop believing into false information that people spread. I said it in the server and I'll say it here as well:

after every driver install or fresh install, gsync leaves you the idea that it works perfectly; for an hour or few hours, it'll work well in some games, making you believe that it actually got fixed but later on, on the first stutter that you'll get, flickering and other problems will return again. There's no fix yet about it.
For me it takes 1 second to test gsync no matter the driver. I'm testing it in WoW where having gsync broken leads to artifacts on the loading screen of the game. It's legit the easiest way, without having myself to rely on minutes and hours of tests.

[pure pond]

Take it easy... I'm asking if someone tested it and can verify. So you did this test using 527.37 and can verify it's still broken?

[sacred siren]

Did they mention in changelog?

[pure pond]

Sometimes things get broken or fixed by occasion, when other changes are introduced.

[wraith wharf]

No, no. No worries regarding that. It's just that such issue might not get fixed anytime soon (it's sad to hear it but it is what it is).

[pure pond]

For me turning on the HDR fixes it. But HDR implementation in Windows is not great and for proper HDR there should be an OLED or at least mini LED display.

[wraith wharf]

Yes, it's one of the known fixes but hdr is ehhh.. Especially for the eyes, I find it too annoying.

These also work.

[meager elm]

NFF - Normal operation found.
The resolution from 1600 upwards must be used with the battery charger attached.
Normal operation for the model in question.

I’m speechless.

[gilded cliff]

apart from gsync, hows the driver

[lean geyser]

sooo dont think novidio is too bothered to fix it

[round robin]

Who posted, where? I wanna shut this information down.

[jagged canyon]

By stuttering do you mean frametime spikes?

[wraith wharf]

https://youtu.be/wvkt7sYWDzk?t=66

[jagged canyon]

I must be blind cause I can’t really see anything here

Is the small fps drops causing the stutters for you?

[wraith wharf]

These easier to see?

https://youtu.be/AhvHfazSMWw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qp7_TEQs2sI

[jagged canyon]

Ohhhhh is the frametime graph smooth but there is still stuttering? What about locked fps like 60 wouldn’t that help

[wraith wharf]

Locking fps helps as long as your FPS doesn't drop below the value you set it.

If you set it to 60 and you drop to 50 often, you will face it.

You set it to 60, but you need to maintain constant 60.

[jagged canyon]

That just sounds like regular vsync tho? Cause the frametime graph looks smooth to me. What was the refresh rate on the forza video

[wraith wharf]

165, I suppose.

These aren't my videos.

[jagged canyon]

I see. For you if you set your refresh rate to say 144, and set in game fps to 60, is it smooth at 60 and stuttery at 59?

[wraith wharf]

I am playing with gsync off for months now.

Not bothering with it anymore.

[jagged canyon]

I see k

[wraith wharf]

You can feel it when it drops, yeah.

[jagged canyon]

My problems a bit different cause I’m having worse fps in some games with Gsync on but nvm 😭

[wraith wharf]

What kind of games are we talking about?

[jagged canyon]

Like for example gsync is smooth when fps is capped in horizon zero dawn or red dead redemption and I get the same fps in non gsync, but with games like valorant where I can get 250-300fps normally I’m getting drops and stutters down to 120 with gsync

[wraith wharf]

But why would you leave your fps uncapped in these?

[gilded cliff]

capped fps if game doesnt go below capped is gonna be fine with gsync

and valo, idk

[wraith wharf]

250-300 fps, yet your screen is only 165hz

[jagged canyon]

I don’t that’s what I’m saying, I cap in single players for good frametime and I cap valorant -3 from refresh rate.

[gilded cliff]

cap it to 158, turn off gsync

[jagged canyon]

That’s what I’m saying I do cap it but when I use Gsync in it I somehow can’t hold that stable and get drops to 110-120 ish 💀

[gilded cliff]

its gonna be butter

[jagged canyon]

Screen tear galore 😭

[gilded cliff]

or quit playing valo

best thing

[gilded cliff]

idt it will

cap it to 158 or lower

[jagged canyon]

Anyway sry not trying to take over this thread mb

[jagged canyon]

Fair point but it’s more a valorant issue tho 😭

[gilded cliff]

try the 158 cap.

for me i get tearing above 158 fps

i used to cap apex to 155

[wraith wharf]

I'm not sure how you guys see tear on L5P screen.

I have not seen tearing since my old CRT monitor.

[gilded cliff]

you play wow at what fps

@wraith wharf

[wraith wharf]

Depends on zone.

[gilded cliff]

still

[wraith wharf]

I get between 60 to 140.

[gilded cliff]

see.

now lower you settings and try getting 160+

[wraith wharf]

You can't get 160+ constant in WoW.

[gilded cliff]

vsync and all off

[wraith wharf]

Even on full low.

[gilded cliff]

at 1080p?

[wraith wharf]

Game is not that greatly optimized.

Even at 720p.

[gilded cliff]

gg

so as i said, tearing above 158

no way of proving otherwise

[wraith wharf]

Even if I uncap fps, I never see it. :\

If I uncap and go in an old zone, I get 400+ fps

Still 0 tearing.

[gilded cliff]

😐

lucky

or play valo on igpu

you will get 150-180 fps

[jagged canyon]

Nvm I’m trying with Gsync off now and I’m getting even worse fps than yesterday

Now I’m not even hitting 200fps anymore

[gilded cliff]

try ec reset

[jagged canyon]

Ec?

[gilded cliff]

turn off laptop

remove charger and all usbs

hold power button for 30-40s

then turn on

[jagged canyon]

@wraith wharf wait if you use your inbuilt display why don’t you use hybrid gpu mode and use intel adaptive sync?

[gilded cliff]

he got amd

so, freesync

igpu mode leads to perf loss

5-10%

could be more in cpu bound game

[jagged canyon]

Just tried hybrid in valorant, got 250-380fps consistent, not sure what’s going on there

[gilded cliff]

🤔

[jagged canyon]

Gonna go back into dgpu mode and test it again

[wraith wharf]

527.37 is good to use and also nice replacement over 522.25 or 526.86. HOWEVER, for MW2 and FH4, I would suggest to test it and if you encounter performance issues, revert to previous.

[wraith wharf]

Overdrive example from Vantage/LLT:

https://www.reddit.com/r/LenovoLegion/comments/zc0daw/my_legion_5i_gen_7_is_giving_me_weird_effects/

[gilded cliff]

i have had this issue with gsync on after 511.23 drivers.

on dgpu mode.

igpu is fine. since no gsync

previously primary tested in apex. but recently in god of war a month ago.

[sacred siren]

I'm okay with HDR + G-SYNC on latest driver.

[wraith wharf]

Did you have dimming with fresh install of 527.37?

I got it again.

Had to use the registry.

[sacred siren]

I always use registry

[gilded cliff]

dont do clean installs?

[sacred siren]

They've removed and never added it again.

[wraith wharf]

Well, you never know what you "carry" on from previous driver so 🤷‍♂️

[wraith wharf]

But wait, they did.

Fresh install of 522.25 works fine.

Anything past 522.25 for me - > dim issues again.

Anything past 511.79 (up until 522.25) - > dim issues.

I am not even sure how does this work out anymore, lmao.

[sacred siren]

It's completely vice versa on mine

[gilded cliff]

but u like a dim display dont u

[wraith wharf]

Why out of every driver from 511.79 up until 527.37, the 522.25 is the only driver that does not dim my screen?

(clean install, ofc)

[gilded cliff]

8 yrs ago, i was fond of nvidia. i got a 1060.

[wraith wharf]

Man, something doesn't make sense. Why would it be opposite for you?

[gilded cliff]

but now.

oh god, its a mess

[sacred siren]

Registry keys are still missing every version after the 511.23.

[sacred siren]

It's really interesting 🤔

[gilded cliff]

he said he always uses registry

@sacred siren right

[sacred siren]

Even I don't add registries some versions working well about dimming ( 511.79, 526.xx )

[gilded cliff]

do you go a clean install everytime?
because once registry is imported ,it stays put until a clean install

[wraith wharf]

If you want, we can compare the data from GPU-Z, tho I'm not sure if it might help with anything.

[sacred siren]

After the 511.23 except above two versions, HDR brightness slider is broken on mine.

As I understand, it's vice versa on yours?

[gilded cliff]

apple should make gaming pcs too

[wraith wharf]

From 511.79 up until 527.37, every driver gives me dim screen EXCEPT 522.25.

[gilded cliff]

would be so much better

[wraith wharf]

Regarding HDR slider, I am not completely sure. I barely used HDR on this laptop.

Like from September 2021 up until now, I don't think I have more than 3 hours of HDR combined.

[sacred siren]

On any version, SDR brightness slider works normally on mine. But dimming steps a little bit accurate when the registry keys exist.

[wraith wharf]

Can you send me a pic of your GPU from GPU-Z?

[sacred siren]

End of the day, use the registry keys

[sacred siren]

Sure, I'm on phone right now

[wraith wharf]

Ah, no rush then. Send later and I will check.

I do wonder before they replaced my motherboard, if I would have faced these dimming issues with previous one.

Because when motherboard died I was on 497.29.

or 497.09.

[sacred siren]

What happend?

[wraith wharf]

Randomly laptop just turned itself off after 3 months of use. No fans, no keyboard lightning, nothing.

It turned off mid-game.

And they had to replace motherboard, telling me it just "died".

[sacred siren]

Interesting

[wraith wharf]

Yeah, I'm not really sure how that happened. It was just 3 months old.

Now it's almost a year since that happened and nothing bad with new one.

[sacred siren]

Where do you live?

[wraith wharf]

Romania.

[sacred siren]

It's probably QC issue

[wraith wharf]

Yeah, can be. I know someone from SG that had her motherboard die within first month of use, lmao.

But I don't know man..laptop been working greatly since it came back and I can't say I been unhappy with it.

It's just this gsync issue that's "meh".

Rest is cool.

[sacred siren]

I'm thinking to switch a rtx 40xx desktop.

[wraith wharf]

Maybe for some of the people from here it feels like a big deal since they got used to the technology. For me it's not as hurtful to keep it off, since I was gaming on a gtx660 before so you can imagine I was playing at 30 fps in some games with it lmao.

[sacred siren]

We have to buy and replace with this panel 😃

https://www.panelook.com/NE160QDM-NM1_BOE_16_LCM_overview_54555.html

1250 nits, mini led

It's true HDR

[meager elm]

Guys I think by Friday I will get my unrepaired laptop back
(For work reasons I can't return it immediately for the third time)
At this point I understand that the best option to avoid problems is to use the latest drivers and enable HDR, correct?

[gilded cliff]

price?

[lean geyser]

u gotta inquire

[jagged canyon]

That’s going to be hella expensive 💀

[jagged canyon]

Can you even replace your inbuilt screen with a different supplier?

[sacred siren]

This one is used on legion 7. It has same connector type.

It should be compatible

[jagged canyon]

I see, is it much better?

[rancid flame]

Lmfao. It is not.
Look at contrast ratio. How come it's just 1k:1 when it's mini led? It should be dynamic contrast

Also no mention of dimming zones

Check for reviews on that panel before you come to conclusion, else you'll be easily fooled by those tacky names

[rancid flame]

https://www.ebay.de/itm/234643421019?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=707-127634-2357-0&ssspo=caT-63jWSu-&sssrc=2349624&ssuid=Xmn29eUQSNm&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY

[rancid flame]

U gotta use ur brain

[sacred siren]

I just downloaded the datasheet

it has 1152 dimming zones and contrast ratio is 100k:1

[gilded cliff]

this is our normal screen

one he sent was 1250 nits

[rancid flame]

How much nits does the link show?

Compare model number

[rancid flame]

Just read thru this. Dimming zones with only when HDR is on. I might as well give it a try and buy it

[gilded cliff]

it "says" 500

the one you shared

[rancid flame]

For me in the retailer website it shows 1250nits with HDR on

[gilded cliff]

since u already made an acc for this, please inquire about price too

going by the page, didnt check model

[rancid flame]

And compare the model number

With the PDF asdsds sent

[gilded cliff]

ah yes

model is same

1250

mini 💡

[gilded cliff]

give it a try...

when will india get shit...

customs would be seperate?

its about 17k inr if i count 30% import

[sacred siren]

I'll do

[storm yoke]

I bought a one from aliexpress, let's see if the upgrade will be ok...

[gilded cliff]

🫣

GL

[wraith wharf]

527.56 changes:

[lean geyser]

oh i have to do this update

i get flickering from sleep

i use dldsr

[wraith wharf]

Try

[lean geyser]

i shall try

[wraith wharf]

But this says that they are KNOWN ISSUES.

Not fixed.

[lean geyser]

oh im so blind

i read it under fixed

[wraith wharf]

💀

[fervent flower]

Still not fix any gsync. I already conplain through their nvidia support but after some talk then they not reply anymore

[next yoke]

same lmao

[wraith wharf]

What I did notice is that they tackled gsync differently with 526+ drivers.

I do not notice the same "frequent" flickering.

It's somewhat "touched" in a way, but not sure how.

But microstuttering is still there.

[lean geyser]

i doubt may people notice microstuttering

[wraith wharf]

I've been playing with gsync on since 527.37 came out (both WoW Dragonflight & Uncharted) and did not have a single flicker.

But microstutter is there.

[lean geyser]

i never had issues.

[gilded cliff]

U and kira

Built different

[lean geyser]

yes

[meager elm]

I got my l5p back from support (second time)
for assistance it has no problems and after a few chats with the dealer I was made to understand that the laptop will hardly be repaired correctly or replaced.
I will never buy lenovo again but above all I will never buy a laptop from a reseller other than amazon.

two months gone without a laptop to no avail

[lean geyser]

what happeN?

yeh the service is trash with lenovo

[meager elm]

I took the laptop to assistance 2 times for this microstutter problem..

the problem has not been solved and does not seem to want to be solved.
I'll keep it that way now

[lean geyser]

more like nvidia issue

[meager elm]

Yes I am aware of this and have stressed from the beginning that it is a software problem,
but i tried support to try and fix the problem with a replacement

[lean geyser]

tbh its not a valid reason atleast imo

this is software

not hardware

[meager elm]

I understand but someone has to fix it.

my 2000€ were good 1 year ago.

[lean geyser]

hmm yeh agree

but lenovo isnt at fault imo

[meager elm]

for me a little yes, maybe they should be interested in fixing the known problems of their laptops.
I contacted nvidia and was told that in these cases lenovo should take care of fixing the compatibility issues

[wraith wharf]

They will never know what to do without enough info.

You have guys like Kira, Mitschud, Fallible, Ghostfella without the gsync issue and maybe some others too.

Then you have us from here + the amount of people that have 0 clue that their gsync might not be working for them.

[meager elm]

enabling the hdr I saw that the problem disappears.
I will use the laptop like this

[wraith wharf]

These also work.

[meager elm]

ok, for me it seems that just enabling hdr fixes the stuttering

[wraith wharf]

If you won't fry your eyes from hdr then sure.

[meager elm]

I enable hdr on windows but in games I keep it disabled

[jagged canyon]

Hm…. Does this stuttering happen on external displays too?

If so I may have this problem. For example in valorant capping fps at 158 (refresh rate 165) works with gsync but when fps drops I get some micro stutters. In red dead 2 if I get drops from 60 to like 55 it can be noticeable and have some frametime tiny spikes. Is that the kinda thing this gsync stutter is?

[wraith idol]

i dunno

all i know is i notice it in every game in some form or another

[jagged canyon]

Yeah my Gsync problems gotten worse forget the post above. If I cap fps 60, put gsync and vsync on, go into a game and set refresh rate to 60hz its smooth as butter, I put that refresh rate to 75 or 100 and it just looks awful and unsmooth. Technically it shouldn’t matter since gsync is syncing the hz to the capped 60fps but it’s having a massive effect

[gilded cliff]

i would say, use hybrid mode

freesync works fine

[jagged canyon]

Can you use hybrid mode connected to a monitor or tv though?

[jagged canyon]

I got intel adaptive sync 😭

[gilded cliff]

yes you can. and its better to be hybrid with external connected.
however, external display is always connected to dGPU, and if your external display also suffers from gsync issue. you are out of luck my friend.

u can not use adaptive/freesync on external displays.
as all legion outputs are dgpu only

[jagged canyon]

Nope tried on the internal display, external display and a gsync compatible tv all the same result: I’ll try the adaptive sync thanks

[wraith wharf]

It depends by which game you play as well, tbh.

Like I'm playing Uncharted & WoW Dragonflight and while there are some microstuttering here and there..I haven't seen any flickering.

But yeah, it would suck badly to have these in a competitive shooter, I don't deny.

[craggy dune]

This doesn't seem to affect external monitors.

[sacred siren]

any news ?

[storm yoke]

Not yeat, the panel has arrived in my country but I'm still waiting the delivery...

[sacred siren]

I'm looking forward 😁

[storm yoke]

I think I'll receive it just only next week, hope so!

[storm yoke]

I received the panel and worked and not, why? The panel turns on, worked fine in BIOS but not in windows, I think there is something related to the Advanced Optimus that AMD versions don't have. In windows if I have Hybrid mode on, the image appears, but no one GPU is recognised (iGPU and dGPU) in the device manager. If i turn the Hybrid mode of to use only dGPU, the image is gone. I've checked the panel datasheet to see if there is some kind of pin different, but the new panel and the original panel has the same pin-out and functions on each one. Could be more deeper thant this, maybe the panel don't have some kind of function too. I think this upgrade can be done only in a Intel version of this laptop.

Resume is: don't wast money trying to upgrade to the NE160QDM-NM1 panel in Legion 7 AMD version (6th gen)

[sacred siren]

sad to hear that 😢

[storm yoke]

Yes, imagine me! LoL

[sacred siren]

Did you try linux?

[storm yoke]

No

Maybe the B160QAN02.S, used in rog flow X16 2022 could be better shot in AMD versions because this is a Mini Led panel and it are used in a AMD platform - https://www.ultrabookreview.com/57682-asus-rog-flow-x16-gv601rw-review/

I Mean used in a more simple system as MUX

The question is: where to buy it?

and a important thing is: this panel has gsync and freesync

https://www.panelook.com/B160QAN02.S_AUO_16.0_LCM_overview_55514.html

[sacred siren]

I never see this before, it could be a good alternative. 🤔

Oh it's 600 nits

[sacred siren]

https://download.lenovo.com/consumer/mobiles/h1cn32ww.txt

@storm yoke, I'm searching something related to NE160QDM-NM1 in changelogs. Found something in this one. Intel ones seems to fully support this panel.

[storm yoke]

That's the answer as I suspected...The other panel even with 600nits has better color gamut coverage (100% srgb, dcip3 and Argb) and has hdr 1000 to, has gsync/freesync and are mini led...

[sacred siren]

Maybe there is something to do with bios for amd.

[sacred siren]

I don't recommend you to buy this one. As I understand there should be bios level support for each panel and there is nothing about B160QAN02.S in our bios.

[storm yoke]

In this panel case, Rog flow are Amd based and don't have Advanced Optimus that's why I suspect is the real problem, but there is bios level too as you told...

[fervent flower]

For gsync issue with any driver (maybe) right now i'm using current latest,

The solution to making work gsync without stuter :
Create custom resolution in nvidia panel 2560x1599, restart and try set that resolution in the game that stuter.

I try HDZ which very much stuter is gone
Far cry 6 stuter fix.

I dont know why. I just try something because other than 2560x1600 is stuter some games. But making custom resolution and less 1 pixel 2560x1599 works.

I using legion 7i 2021 3080 win 11 (through upgrade)

[vapid escarp]

This custom res works in HZD but in Forza 5 it doesn't.

[fervent flower]

I havent try forza 5, maybe you can do borderless trick. Set custom resolution in windows and run the game in borderless full screen, its suppose to work that way.

[gilded cliff]

just lock forza fps

if u get 70-80 lock at 70

[torpid sparrow]

Hey guys, a quick question, but brief first:
I had a lot of troubles with G-Sync — turned it off, downgraded drivers, upgraded drivers, downgraded again, and so on. Now, I’m on 526.86 driver and G-Sync is on — games are working fine (at least I do not notice anything gladly!), however, I cannot use Overdrive feature. I have Legion 7 16ACHg6, using 165hz mode.

The question:
Can I use Overdrive feature while G-Sync is on?

[sacred siren]

anyone tried 528.24 ?

[sacred siren]

g-sync issue still exixst.

I tried

[alpine hound]

what is that issue ?

[wraith wharf]

#1044177430644019240 message

This is from another post of mine.

[gilded cliff]

Ruin the ⭐

[naive tide]

I did and still no fix at least for me. G-sync still has subtle flickering on games. So annoyed by this.

[sacred siren]

I'm enabling HDR while playing dx12 games. If you use custom icm color profile for HDR and adjust white/black paper values in-game it's acceptable to play on HDR.

[gilded cliff]

yes it is, noone here is able to believe it.

(about HDR being usable that is, not the gsync part)

[lean geyser]

Just cap ur fps guys

[naive tide]

already did 😦

[wraith wharf]

I've made the post today so anyone who joins the server can see since people aren't reading #1044177430644019240 apparently.

https://discord.com/channels/761178912230473768/1068179430226272348

Here.

[naive tide]

Apologies, at least for me I still get flickering even when following the guide. Guess I'll wait for a driver update that fixes this. (Currently using 511.23)

[wraith wharf]

So if you turn off gsync you have flickering?

With 522.25 or 527.56?

I would say it's impossible but sure.

@naive tide

There's no reason to be below 522.25 atm for anyone as 522.25 started to provide only benefits for DX12 games in terms of FPS increase and stability for games.

Only in severe situations where you have an issue that you truly cannot solve you would want to be below, unless you don't mind leaving performance on the table.

[naive tide]

Sorry, I mean that I still get flickering using G-sync even by capping fps, going to an older driver, turning HDR on, etc. I will go back to a newer driver as you mentioned except the latest 528.24 since for some weird reason it locked my external monitor at 120hz when it's 144 hz

Thank you for your time!

[wraith wharf]

I personally stopped using gsync months ago and haven't bothered since.

Anything that's not mentioned in #1044177430644019240 is used at user's own risk if it has issues or not.

I will always post/edit there whichever driver is the most stable/performing well.

And skipping the bad ones.

There is NO performance difference between any driver past 522.25 and any of the above ones.

Except in 2-3 games and mainly Cyberpunk.

Rest are performing literally the same or worse.

So in theory, there is not a single reason to update further, unless a game needs it or there is a fix such as laptop restarting when closing the lid, etc.

[jagged canyon]

What is the current state of gsync stutters for l5p? I definitely have them and it’s an issue on both internal and external displays. For now I’m just using 60hz refresh rate but with gsync on so when it dips it doesn’t screen tear but stutters a little, enough so it’s noticeable.

[wraith wharf]

Still the same. As I said some time ago, I will inform or ask someone to inform when gsync will be fully working for everyone again.

[gilded cliff]

Just use vsync

😀

[rancid flame]

and live with the latency

😀

[jagged canyon]

Ima be a real pest here with another question sorry. Do these gsync stutters appear on your frametime graphs?

[jagged canyon]

@wraith wharf welp ima make this even more complicated. im getting gsync stutters just like that forza video at the top of the thread, no matter what fps and if locked. just tried 511.79 driver the stutters are still completely there. oh and the best thing? these stutters aint on the frametime graph the graph is a flatline

[wraith wharf]

But why are you using gsync tho?

[jagged canyon]

the stutters are maybe slightly better than in the forza video, but its just like them

[wraith wharf]

Just remove it.

I play without gsync for past 5-6 months, lol.

It is what it is sadly.

Also, don't forget you have a Gen 7 with a new GPU.

[jagged canyon]

i know i know, but since this issue seems to be different than everyone elses ima take it up with lenovo support

[wraith wharf]

For us (the ones with gen 6) it can be fixable in these ways.

Have you tried HDR on?

[jagged canyon]

welp looks like im double screwed

[jagged canyon]

hate hdr

[wraith wharf]

Just to try and see if you get them I mean.

Or on hybrid ON.

[jagged canyon]

alright will do

[jagged canyon]

nope still stutters

[wraith wharf]

Also, once again I will say, these methods might not work for you since you have new gen.

All of us are on gen 6.

For example 3070TI can't even use 511.23

as driver

First driver for 3070TI was 511.79 if I'm not mistaken.

[jagged canyon]

Trying hdr now

[jagged canyon]

That’s what I’m using

[jagged canyon]

Yep thanks for trying tho , ima go write a request to Lenovo support rn

[wraith wharf]

You're our first case with a Gen7 so far, sadly.

Can you show me your panel model?

from Hwinfo.

[jagged canyon]

Yh I can try

@wraith wharf just to make sure completely I’m not over complicating things, gsync at 60fps on a 165hz panel should look exactly the same as vsync when set to 60hz correct? (I can promise I’m not a complete idiot it’s just typing this question into google gets back nothing)

Oh and also, this happens on external monitors too not just the internal one which shouldn’t happen ofc

Just found it it

[round robin]

OP here. Sorry I haven't chimed in for a long while on this post, I haven't forgotten, just majorly bummed out Lenovo/Nvidia are doing absolutely nothing to fix or even address this issue.

[jagged canyon]

Don’t worry it’s ok, ima take it back to curry’s pc world and see if they can do a care and repair thingy on it where they will fix technical problems and if they can’t they Bassicly give you a voucher the same price as the product , though I’m doubtful they will admit somethings wrong tbh

Ayyyy finally I got a recording of the issue

Oh ffs never mind discord compressed it to 24 fps

[gilded cliff]

Wth

U get to keep the laptop and the money!?

[lean geyser]

Uk moment

[jagged canyon]

nope if they cant repair it they will take it back and give you a new one

[tired citrus]

wow this still existed?

[white furnace]

A man of culture

[lean geyser]

And i don't have these issues

[gilded cliff]

Bro. This issue as far as I know is with 16:10

Stop flexing

[jagged canyon]

Nope for me it’s for all resolutions and on external monitors too 💀

[gilded cliff]

@jagged canyon Bro. Screen.

Not resolution

[craggy dune]

Bro its not related to 16:10, it's the panel uses

[gilded cliff]

it is related to the 16:10 panels used in legions

fine?

[lean geyser]

16 9 users also affected

It's just panel

[craggy dune]

No , Ik a QHD 3060 L5P user who has the same issues

*That's what he said

[jagged canyon]

Anyone tried new driver?

[wraith wharf]

None of the 528 drivers are worth so

Will update #1044177430644019240 message if there will be anything stable or better performance-wise than others.

[jagged canyon]

Has anyone here tried going through their warranty and asking for a repair for the gsync issues? Like actually contacting them and asking for a repair or replacement?

[wraith wharf]

What's the point? It's not Lenovo's fault.

It's from NVIDIA's side.

They can't do anything.

At all.

They can replace parts (screen/mobo) over and over and nothing changing.